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Speaker 1: not about you go form a new party because both

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Speaker 1: to put into place a bunch of rules, laws, whatever

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Speaker 1: they are, to make it very difficult for a third

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Speaker 1: Republicans work together on this. Yeah, there's great institutional advantage

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Speaker 1: enormous infrastructure, Yeah, enormous infrastructure, and so you can see

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Speaker 1: why why if there are in numbers way more trumpets

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Speaker 1: then there are not. And I think that's it's definitely

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Speaker 1: week as we sit and speak today, Yes, that's true.

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Speaker 1: Then that then you can see why they'd say, hey,

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Speaker 1: well you go farm your own party. Good luck with that, yea, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I think that game of Chicken is going to

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Speaker 1: it coming honestly. Two will be a major milestone in

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Speaker 1: that question. Who has the reins, who has that support.

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Speaker 1: Although there's a tendency in among the jabbering classes of

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Speaker 1: when honestly, always, always, always, the fact that the Clintons

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Speaker 1: relevant or or clinging bitterly to relevance was an outlier.

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Speaker 1: It's extremely rare these days. So what the political landscape

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Speaker 1: looks like in two years, four years place nobody knows.

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Speaker 1: Nobody has any idea