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Speaker 3: Oh, that's it, No open nothing. I figured after the

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Speaker 3: draft you'd have this big montage.

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Speaker 4: You and I did it.

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Speaker 3: I just oh, okay, all right, Well, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 3: It is Tuesday after the draft here at Jillette Stadium.

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Speaker 3: It's duced Tamara, Evan Paul, myself, Matt Nabooth and uh.

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Speaker 3: I think overall, everybody's pretty pleased with the hall. Thanks

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Speaker 3: for the weekend.

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Speaker 5: I think so seems like it. I mean, uh, you know,

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Speaker 5: definitely some questions about I think still remain along that

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Speaker 5: the offensive line. But you said you had to weaponize

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Speaker 5: the offense and get rookies, and you know, it feels

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Speaker 5: like they pretty much hit most of their needs. I mean,

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Speaker 5: probably a couple of position groups that maybe just a

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Speaker 5: But I would say I'm excited. It's just I think

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Speaker 5: the questions about left tackle kind of continue.

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Speaker 3: It's still in terms of quality and depth. But when's

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Speaker 3: the last time we went into a draft saying, here

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Speaker 3: are the top three needs bing bing bing and that's

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Speaker 3: the things that they exactly did.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think we said too, like, they're not

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Speaker 5: gonna be able to hit all three perfectly, you know,

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Speaker 5: and I don't And I really I think they hit

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Speaker 5: you know, some discussion to be had about they tried

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Speaker 5: maybe get somebody that was a little bit higher on

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Speaker 5: their board than the guys they ended up with. I

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Speaker 5: say that as I liked those guys. And then you know,

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Speaker 5: the tackle, I think is the biggest question there the

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Speaker 5: third pick, which you know, Ken that kid moved to

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Speaker 5: the left side. That's the question we already had with

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there was definitely something going on at the end

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's that seems like the case. But but

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Speaker 5: overall reactions seems you know pretty good. Just needed offense,

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Speaker 5: took offense, and uh yeah, I'm excited to see these

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Speaker 6: Week, not if you not if you listened to Paul's

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Speaker 6: what the you know, Burnan Ernie had to say about

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Speaker 6: the draft, and uh, I think the biggest thing that

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Speaker 6: you know, did they miss runs at receiver and tackle?

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Speaker 6: And like how they how they played the board, not

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Speaker 6: necessarily the players that they got, but you know how

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Speaker 6: they played the game, you know, of the draft board.

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Speaker 6: At receiver, you mentioned that it sounds like they tried

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Speaker 6: to trade back up in the first round, like most

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Speaker 6: people think Xavier Laguet was the guy that they wanted.

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Speaker 6: You know, they end up in a run of six

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Speaker 6: seemed like Caden Wallace. Maybe they missed out on the

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Speaker 6: Patrick Paul's and the Kingsley Sue Mattias. But I think

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Speaker 6: at the end of the day, like we've seen, it

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Speaker 3: Or they could end up being lucky, you know, like

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Speaker 3: the other way you want to put it. Yeah, because

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Speaker 3: like if you were trying to move up, obviously there

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Speaker 3: But I think in terms of the positions, I think,

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Speaker 7: And I feel like you need that in the receiver

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, now out there, you know, reality's gonna

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Speaker 3: but what's the stacy James. Yeah, like Parcels said, if

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Speaker 5: So yeah, that's gonna happened. Boom er bust. It feels

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Speaker 5: like with him. But it's funny though, because some of

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Speaker 5: And I'm like, well, how does that make sense? Like yeah,

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Speaker 5: Like I don't know, it just feels it feels oh yeah, silly,

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Speaker 5: Like you know, they obviously like Polk was a better

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Speaker 5: and I also just didn't like the sixth best receiver.

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Speaker 5: That's an easy way to put it. But did you

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Speaker 5: really want lab? I mean I would have taken Jalen

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Speaker 5: of the beholder. So yeah, you can say he was

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Speaker 5: the sixth receiver taken, but does that necessarily mean he

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Speaker 6: I don't know, And I think the big thing about

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Speaker 6: the other Washington receiver. They were all in the same

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Speaker 6: way that you want to play, and that's that's the separator, right,

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Speaker 6: It's not necessarily Yeah, I had a slightly higher grade

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Speaker 3: There was an email that came across that you guys

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Speaker 3: going to push back on you a little bit, Evan,

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Speaker 3: where Elliott Wolfe said, you know where I come from,

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Speaker 3: it's not so much XYZ, it's are they good? Are

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Speaker 3: they good receivers? You know? And I think that's refreshing.

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Speaker 3: I know the email that's sent it in said we

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Speaker 3: mean can the guy? Can the guy separate? Can he

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Speaker 5: You know, like the second part for sure with these guys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, so that's more important than is he

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Speaker 3: is he you know frame? Or is he Z one?

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Speaker 5: Two three? Here we go again.

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Speaker 3: Can we get a bunch of guys that can get

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Speaker 6: I just think that you always say to watch what

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Speaker 6: I think Javon Baker is an outside receiver. If you

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Speaker 6: don't want to put X on him because we don't

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Speaker 6: like the letters, that's fine. But Javon Baker is an

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Speaker 6: do a little bit of both, and so I think

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Speaker 6: these two guys are very complimentary. And they're also very

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Speaker 6: positions and things like that. Well, you drafted a down

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Speaker 6: that moves inside and out. So by your actions, it

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Speaker 6: looks like you said, we're gonna get two guys that

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Speaker 6: way that I look at it. I think that people

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Speaker 6: There's no doubt about it that Javon Baker's highlights are

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Speaker 6: and I'm not saying that that's necessarily wrong, but you're

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Speaker 6: I mean, had averaged like twenty two yards per catch

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Speaker 6: one of those guys that plays that way, whereas Jalen

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Speaker 7: Was Javon Baker the number one guy at UCF.

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Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, I mean he led to the Big twelve

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Speaker 6: it a big play machine. I mean the only two

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Speaker 3: Does anyone hold against him transferring out of Alabama?

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Speaker 8: I mean they're all transferred now, yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean maybe they're going for like the elite of

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Speaker 8: I mean it's Big twelve now, Like it's to me

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Speaker 8: there was a time that I would have but not anymore.

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Speaker 8: Like everybody transfers now.

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Speaker 3: And it's hard to I'm just throwing it out there,

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Speaker 7: To at Alabama when you have so many five star guys.

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Speaker 7: It's like, how are you gonna get playing time?

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Speaker 3: Right? So you know something, you know, it could be good,

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Speaker 3: Like the Andy Harts of the world would be like

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Speaker 8: The fairness, Like there's probably a time, you know, eight

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Speaker 8: like you know, compete, yeah, you know, like he's something

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Speaker 8: which is nothing, no complete and try to win the job.

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Speaker 8: Don't take your ball and go home and it just

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Speaker 8: goes somewhere else. Now, you can make an argument that

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Speaker 8: had he gone somewhere else, maybe he would have been

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Speaker 8: drafted higher, but that didn't prevent him from having an

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Speaker 7: So I mean, what what would have happened to for example,

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Speaker 7: let's just say Jalen if he didn't transfer from Oklahoma

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Speaker 7: to Alabama, what happened to him?

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Speaker 5: I don't know, Jalen.

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Speaker 7: Sorry, I'm like my brain is like blinking right now.

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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, he went from Alabama, toy.

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Speaker 7: So imagine you would have stayed there and competed with Tua. Like,

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Speaker 7: would he be where he is right now if he

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Speaker 7: would have just stayed there as the backup behind too?

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Speaker 8: I would say he probably would be, because he was

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Speaker 6: I think a lot to do with his development.

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Speaker 8: I think I have no way of knowing that for sure.

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Speaker 7: No, I'm just saying, like if he stayed there behind

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Speaker 5: Play so much easier now too, with the way things are.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's it's to put it in context of

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Speaker 8: Glad you got the timeline right, because I've heard a

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and here's some of the comments that he had

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Speaker 3: So I thought it was a good weekend if you

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Speaker 5: Like when we first drafted Mac, I was excited, and

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Speaker 7: I feel like he's already gone through more adversity than

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Speaker 7: Drake May has dealt with more in North Carolina, having

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Speaker 3: Well, he comes in with more college yeah games and

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Speaker 5: Which I didn't hear anyone.

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Speaker 8: That was I will say.

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Speaker 8: That I was not wealthy the state.

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Speaker 3: I never I never was on a plane until college.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, like there's so many people who haven't

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean I think it's it's just for me.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 5: And I mean it look it's fine, Like I mean,

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Speaker 5: But like you look at other players too that are

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Speaker 5: Like I always thought when Gronk was drafted, he seems

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Speaker 8: That's ultimately what it's going to come down to. If

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Speaker 9: Able to do to overcome that, because the receivers won't

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Speaker 7: Honestly, I think it's really funny that you use we

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Speaker 7: Obviously he has some accuracy accuracy issues, but great arm

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Speaker 5: your line. But it's exactly what I thought, which was

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Speaker 5: kind of felt mine Gamy with like the Max stuff.

434
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Speaker 5: You know, oh, we're going to take another quarterback now,

435
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Speaker 5: and you know what, what what's the point? The point?

436
00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,639
Speaker 7: And to be fair, like you need a better backup

437
00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:39,719
Speaker 7: than Billy's happy.

438
00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,520
Speaker 6: But he's but he's a developmental player. Yeah, And I

439
00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,240
Speaker 6: just my whole thing is is that I know we're

440
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Speaker 6: gonna get out there to in the spring, in the

441
00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,760
Speaker 6: summer and and shorts and a T shirt. Joe Milton

442
00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,200
Speaker 6: is going to look just as impressive as as Drake May.

443
00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,439
Speaker 6: The arm, talent, the mobility, the size, like all of

444
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Speaker 6: it is going to be just as impressive. And to

445
00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,000
Speaker 6: deuce his point, just as second ago about how does

446
00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,560
Speaker 6: Drake May handle it? How does Drake May handle it

447
00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,760
Speaker 6: when in the second half of preseason games against Scrubs,

448
00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,879
Speaker 6: Joe Milton is lighting it up. And then we have

449
00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,199
Speaker 6: people calling into our shows and stuff like that saying, well,

450
00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:12,680
Speaker 6: why don't they give Joe Milton a try?

451
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Speaker 8: I like, I didn't like anything about the pick because

452
00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,200
Speaker 8: I just don't think he's very good, sneaky, He's not

453
00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:24,600
Speaker 8: good at football. But the intangible stuff that Evan just

454
00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,679
Speaker 8: introduced is why I think I don't like it the most.

455
00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,600
Speaker 8: And we had a really good in depth post on

456
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Speaker 8: the Mailbag this week and I sort of tried my

457
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Speaker 8: best to sort of downplay it, but I got to

458
00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:38,480
Speaker 8: be honest, that guy made a lot of good points

459
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Speaker 8: about that kind of stuff, Like if he goes out

460
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,280
Speaker 8: there and does a Michael Bishop fred, how does that

461
00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:49,040
Speaker 8: impact Drake May. Michael Bishop wasn't anything great. He just

462
00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,880
Speaker 8: was a tremendous athlete who ran around and did eye

463
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:56,000
Speaker 8: popping things in preseason games that were meaningless. And that's

464
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,640
Speaker 8: just going to create sort of unwanted controversy.

465
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,560
Speaker 7: And here's what I feel like, he needs to be

466
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,760
Speaker 7: mentally tough, Like if you're going to grow out there

467
00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 7: and pee your pants because Joe Milton has.

468
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 8: His parents, it's just not a good situation. We spent

469
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 8: three years making excuses for Mac Jones because you didn't

470
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,240
Speaker 8: have the right things around him and they ruined him.

471
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Speaker 8: This to me seems like you're going out of your

472
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Speaker 8: way to create controversy.

473
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Speaker 3: I don't that. I don't know, Yeah, I don't think.

474
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:25,160
Speaker 8: So the guy can't play.

475
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 3: Here's what.

476
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Speaker 7: Since he can't play, Drake May should have nothing to

477
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 7: worry about.

478
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:31,360
Speaker 5: Period.

479
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:32,960
Speaker 8: He doesn't matter.

480
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Speaker 6: It's not about that people that tried to call us

481
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 6: and tell us that Millie Cunningham was the answer, They're

482
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Speaker 6: going to see him throw one seventy five yard pass

483
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,359
Speaker 6: in the first preseason game in the fourth quarter and

484
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Speaker 6: say that this guy is better than the guy they

485
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Speaker 6: d not a tenth.

486
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Speaker 8: Of what Malik was.

487
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Speaker 3: I don't think this coach. I think the coaches will

488
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,879
Speaker 3: deal with that. But but but you're.

489
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Speaker 8: Missing the point. People are completely missing the point on it.

490
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Speaker 8: It's not about who's the guy. Drake May is the guy.

491
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 8: It's one hundred percent it's Drake May. But you're creating

492
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 8: a possibility of having all kinds of noise which you're

493
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 8: supposed to work to try to avoid.

494
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Speaker 7: Yeah, to be honest, I think the only people making

495
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:13,160
Speaker 7: noise are the media.

496
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Speaker 8: Fans.

497
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Speaker 3: Fans will be making noise.

498
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Speaker 8: I will guarantee it. In the summer, people like you

499
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,160
Speaker 8: will be saying, look at the arm, look at the athletics.

500
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 8: People are going to say, be mentally tied with Drake May.

501
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 8: It's the noise that you're creating, just like saying you

502
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:31,440
Speaker 8: can handle it perfect.

503
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Speaker 7: That's just like saying to the current wide receiver room,

504
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 7: they should be scared right now because of all the

505
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 7: people that we just drafted.

506
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Speaker 8: Right you need six receivers.

507
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 7: You don't need more than one quarter receivers right now.

508
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,439
Speaker 8: You don't need more than one quarterback. You need all

509
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 8: of us receivers and you have like twelve receivers right now.

510
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 3: They should be they should be. We do not.

511
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 8: They have four receivers that are going to make the

512
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 8: team that we know of what happens after.

513
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 7: There's a lot of them on the roster.

514
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,199
Speaker 8: There's a lot of scrubs on the roster that not

515
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:00,919
Speaker 8: in the NFL.

516
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,640
Speaker 3: But I I agree with Tomorrow. I think if Drake May,

517
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 3: if Drake May isn't showing that he has a good

518
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,919
Speaker 3: arm in his athletic then we have problems. Well, you know,

519
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 3: it's not about what Joe Milton. I know I'm saying it.

520
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,159
Speaker 3: It's not about what Joe Milton shows us in this summer.

521
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 3: It's about what Drake May shows us.

522
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 8: Think you take every shot you can to get players

523
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:21,400
Speaker 8: to help your team.

524
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 3: But here's what I hope, Here's what I hope. I

525
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 3: hope happens with Joe Milton. You know he said it's

526
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,399
Speaker 3: not gonna happen. I'm going to be a tight end.

527
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 3: Rod Mayo said, we draft him as a quarterback. But

528
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,400
Speaker 3: I hope he gets out there and it becomes very

529
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Speaker 3: apparent he cannot be a quarterback. And I hope at

530
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Speaker 3: some point he realizes that and they have a sit

531
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Speaker 3: down and say, hey, this doesn't work, This isn't working out.

532
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 3: What do you think how about taking some reps to

533
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 3: tight end? What do you think?

534
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,360
Speaker 6: I don't think he's his footwork and his feet are

535
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 6: not like they could train him. I guess long term

536
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,120
Speaker 6: to be a tight end. But I just I don't

537
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 6: think his athleticism translates very well to like receive. I

538
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 6: just I would Paul on this. I understand that Drake

539
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 6: may should be mentally tougher. I agree with that point,

540
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 6: but why test it? Like, why do we have to

541
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 6: test these guys mentally all the time where they have

542
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 6: to deal with all this crap and it's the same

543
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 6: thing that they did with Mac Jones. You know, we

544
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 6: have people out here on Monday night football chanting the

545
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 6: backup quarterback's name. You know, we have all this kind

546
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 6: of stuff. We have people thought that you raft.

547
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Speaker 3: Every one of us said, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised

548
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Speaker 3: if they draft a quarterback later.

549
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Speaker 6: And yeah quarterback, Yeah, like like Michael Pratt who developed

550
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Speaker 6: mental prospect.

551
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Speaker 8: That's not gonna like create any waves. This is going

552
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Speaker 8: out of your way to just have a physical freak

553
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 8: out there is to run around.

554
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 3: Okay, listen, I'm sorry.

555
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:43,959
Speaker 8: I'm sorry that I don't have the same opinion as

556
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Speaker 8: you want to play. You have to get so defense

557
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 8: because all of a sudden, the Patriots made a pick

558
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 8: and three of us don't like it, and we're like

559
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 8: cast aside. You're about this, okay, whatever.

560
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Speaker 3: You know, people have a different opinion. Now you're like

561
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 3: ready to like fold up like a baby. A baby.

562
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Speaker 5: I didn't even think of Evans and making fun of it.

563
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,479
Speaker 5: That the Molie Cunningham. I didn't even think of that,

564
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 5: and that that that's my thing too. I'm with the

565
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 5: movie coming on. Yeah, sorry, I but.

566
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Speaker 3: I mean when Michael Bishop was running around, people were

567
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 3: screaming for Michael Bishop. It didn't affect the quarterback. I

568
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 3: mean it was not a big deal.

569
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Speaker 8: No, and I mean honestly it was the quarterback when

570
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 8: that happened.

571
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Speaker 3: I forget it doesn't Okay, but you know, so.

572
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 8: What, well, it's the same. It's the same six year veterans.

573
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Speaker 3: You really think the coaches are going to be and

574
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 3: you know, coach, they're going to be like, oh my god,

575
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 3: I think the coaches care. The fans are yelling. Fans

576
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 3: are yelling for Joe Milton. What are we going to do?

577
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 8: Why do you like? So?

578
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 7: What if they drafted Spencer Rattler instead of Joe Milton

579
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 7: would be the same thing.

580
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 3: If he came out and was lighting it up game,

581
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 3: people would be saying, oh, look at.

582
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 6: Because that because the thing is is like Joe Milton

583
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 6: has physical traits. That again, I'm not talking about the

584
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 6: people sitting at this table right now, I promise actually.

585
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 8: A good one.

586
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 7: How about Sam Hartman?

587
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 3: Would that be a no? Because Sam?

588
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 6: No, Yeah, you could drave Sam Hartman, I said Michael Pratt.

589
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 6: Michael Pratt is like Bailey's Appy, right, Like it's going

590
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 6: to be clear to everybody that Drake May is more

591
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 6: physically talented than Michael Pratt.

592
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 8: The problem that I don't.

593
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 3: Want to be clear that he's physically better.

594
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 8: Than not to the casuals.

595
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 3: No, but it's like MALIEK.

596
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 5: Cunningham.

597
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 3: MALIEK.

598
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 5: Cunningham ran like the wind and we heard three straight

599
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 5: months of put in, Malik put in.

600
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Speaker 6: I'm not worried about people in this building not realizing

601
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 6: that Drake May is better than Joe Milton. I'm worried

602
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 6: about people that don't have the football knowledge that Gerrod

603
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 6: Mayo has looking at it and saying, this guy can

604
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 6: throw it seventy five yards and that guy can throw

605
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 6: it seventy five yards.

606
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 3: What's the difference. And you think that's going to affect

607
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 3: Drake may No, I hope not. But that's all we

608
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 3: care about that. I hope not.

609
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 8: It did affect the last quarterback.

610
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Speaker 3: If it doesn't, If then who cares what the fans

611
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 3: are saying? As long as in that in that room.

612
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 6: When the when the Patriots drafted Jimmy Garoppolo and affected

613
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 6: that guy, And yeah, he used it as motivation, but

614
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 6: not everybody is wired that way.

615
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 3: Especially especially picked the wrong guy.

616
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 6: Everybody all that. So many of these kids are like that.

617
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 6: Now though, that's the problem. That's the problem, like that

618
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 6: that that's this generation. Like that's what it is like.

619
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Speaker 6: You know a lot of in all sports, you know,

620
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 6: they they're the man that this is my territory. And

621
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 6: when you you tell me differently, a lot of these

622
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 6: guys pout that's just the way it is.

623
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, right now, it's not his territory. He's

624
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 3: gonna have to earn this job by what he does

625
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 3: on the field, and if it's not apparent, and again

626
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 3: the subtleties are going to be lost on the casual fan.

627
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 3: I agree with that, right, but we're hoping that this

628
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 3: is a competent coaching staff and they will realize the

629
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 3: difference between Drake May and Joe Milton.

630
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 6: The coaches, I have no doubt, are going to recognize that.

631
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 3: Well and and and Drake May will understand that he's

632
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 3: doing things better than Joe Milton should know that, and

633
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 3: that's it.

634
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 5: I'm not, honestly, I'm not even that worried, that worried

635
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 5: about the football of it all. It's honestly just I

636
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 5: don't want to deal with four months. You don't have

637
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 5: to call like we had with Malik Cunningham, and I'm like,

638
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 5: I can't even talk to you guys right now.

639
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 3: I think that's fun. Who cares, it's let them say

640
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 3: what they say.

641
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 7: I never once wanted Malik to start over.

642
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 8: No one, no one, no one actually did know.

643
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 5: But there were plenty of people. How much did we

644
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 5: talk about Malie Cunningham.

645
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 6: On every time I wrote about Malik Cunningham and the

646
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 6: post would blow up for no reason, like, oh, they

647
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 6: elevated him from the practice squad. He didn't even play

648
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 6: in the game, but they elevated him and everybody read

649
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 6: about it like it's just I understand that it's all

650
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 6: not gonna matter, and six months from now, we're gonna

651
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 6: really Like remember when we argued for like thirty minutes

652
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 6: about Joe Milton and Drake May and all this stuff.

653
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 8: I get all that.

654
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Speaker 6: I just am telling you that there are people outside

655
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Speaker 6: this room that cover this team that are not gonna

656
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Speaker 6: know the difference between the two guys, and that is

657
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Speaker 6: concerning to me.

658
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Speaker 3: But but I mean, how many I don't know why

659
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Speaker 3: you're so wrapped up about what fans understand and what

660
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Speaker 3: they don't. It's up to me because it creates That's

661
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Speaker 3: why you're here because it because it.

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Speaker 6: Creates how bad outside noise. It just creates the outside noise,

663
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Speaker 6: and we just watched it happen with Mac Jones.

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Speaker 3: But it's I don't think there's anything you can do

665
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Speaker 3: about that. There's always going to be someone that the

666
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Speaker 3: fans are clamoring for, whether it's Malie Cunningham or Michael

667
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 3: Bishop or whoever. It's the you know, you know, the

668
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Speaker 3: next shiny little toy. I remember when Michael Bishop, who

669
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Speaker 3: was the receiver from Brown. That was Oh god, yeah,

670
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Speaker 3: what was Sean Moore? Oh, Sean Moore is gonna be

671
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Speaker 3: the next big thing.

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Speaker 5: It's like, come on, well, I think too part of it.

673
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Speaker 10: You want to be excited about Drake May and you

674
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Speaker 10: don't all of a sudden have two camps that are

675
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Speaker 10: going to emerge of you know, the team Milton who.

676
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Speaker 8: See it now?

677
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 6: Day one of Patriots Mini camp here in June and

678
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 6: Joe Milton threw the ball better than Drake May. I'm

679
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 6: telling you, Mike, like, I just can see it now.

680
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Speaker 10: Put him in.

681
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Speaker 5: I don't know what's the problem May struggling, Mike.

682
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Speaker 3: It will happen. I'm sure that will happen.

683
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, wow. I mean now they got something else

684
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Speaker 5: to figure out how to manage too with you know,

685
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Speaker 5: just we talked about when we may get in there.

686
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, it's it's just another body in there.

687
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Speaker 5: I mean, I do think right now because five receivers,

688
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Speaker 5: right yeah, I mean I think it affects Bailey ZAPPI

689
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Speaker 5: probably more than anybody because I thought, you know, it

690
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 5: seemed like Billy get traded.

691
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Speaker 6: Those the rumors, like rap Sheet said after they took

692
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Speaker 6: Joe Milton that they've been trying to shop Bailey Zappy

693
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Speaker 6: and he's available in the trade.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, yeah, yeah, so all right, good stuff, good stuff, webs.

695
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Speaker 8: Just can I just throw one last thing out here, yes, Paul.

696
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Speaker 8: So if let's just say, disaster strikes and this negatively

697
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 8: impacts Drake May and you stuck without a quarterback.

698
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Speaker 3: So make May is playing but he's not playing well and.

699
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Speaker 8: Yeah, and then and the mentality is like Mac, well,

700
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Speaker 8: well they didn't do anything to support them, and they

701
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Speaker 8: they failed them, you know, they ruined them, And that's

702
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Speaker 8: the that's the narrative. Say this time in two years

703
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 8: they ruined them. We're not allowed to say.

704
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Speaker 3: That by drafting Joe Milton.

705
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Speaker 8: We're not allowed to say. Yeah, we're not allowed to

706
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Speaker 8: say it.

707
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Speaker 3: Though, well I think that would be incorrect.

708
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Speaker 8: But but you didn't see it. No, But if it's

709
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Speaker 8: a hypothetic, if that's what ruined him, that this is

710
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Speaker 8: a complete hypothetical, it's incorrect, I know.

711
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Speaker 3: But like I'm sure like in three years, if Drake

712
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Speaker 3: May is a bust, there's going to be more reasons

713
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Speaker 3: than they drafted Joe Milton.

714
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Speaker 8: Right, were there more reasons mac Jones was a bust

715
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Speaker 8: other than they hired Matt Patricia for the offensive coordinator. Yeah,

716
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 8: is that the reason why people think that.

717
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Speaker 3: They ruined him. Yeah, that's one of the reason. Yeah,

718
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 3: you know, but you're not allowed to say that. That's

719
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Speaker 3: a lot different than drafting. I don't hear you say

720
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Speaker 3: it's it's not even apples to apples.

721
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Speaker 8: So don't don't ever say it.

722
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Speaker 3: Then, No, it's not even a fair comparison.

723
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Speaker 8: So don't say it. Don't don't change your mind.

724
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Speaker 3: Okay, I won't. I probably won't want.

725
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Speaker 8: No one's allowed to say that. Okay, we broke all

726
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 8: the rules here, Paul, you disagree, we disagree with the

727
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 8: Patriots moved.

728
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Speaker 3: You're allowed to broke the rules. You're allowed to say

729
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 3: whatever you want, and everyone's allowed to.

730
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Speaker 8: If I do that, I'm just being a baby. So

731
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Speaker 8: I'm not going to do that.

732
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you when you start saying, well, I can't

733
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 3: say what when you act like a baby, I mean.

734
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Speaker 8: You have to pander you You can't say what you

735
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Speaker 8: want to say.

736
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Speaker 3: What's pandering by saying my opinion? I'm pandering?

737
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Speaker 7: Ye?

738
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Speaker 8: Okay, all right, yep, yeah, yeah, So so I will

739
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 8: check it at the door next time. Okay, I'll be

740
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 8: all on board, baby Patriots filtered from now on.

741
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 3: Okay, Paul, you don't have to filter it, but you

742
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 3: have to be a big boy when someone pushes back.

743
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 3: That's all. That's all I'm saying.

744
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Speaker 8: All right, you're the arbiter of justice.

745
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 3: Yes I am. It's my show. Eight five to five.

746
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 3: Pass five hundred is the hotline, web radio pages dot

747
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 3: com is the email address.

748
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Speaker 8: Totally pathetic.

749
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Speaker 3: Oh, he just won't stop, He just won't stop. Joe Milton, Yeah,

750
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Speaker 3: Joe Milton.

751
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Speaker 8: You couldn't have an opinion on draft picks. I thought

752
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Speaker 8: that we were supposed to give that.

753
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 3: Well what I was wrong? Why can't you give your opinion?

754
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 8: Because I'm mocked for it? All you do is laugh?

755
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, all right, you did? All right?

756
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 8: Call me names.

757
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 3: I disagree, mocking, yeah, mocking. Not because of your opinion.

758
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Speaker 8: Well that's the way I took it. I dissented.

759
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Paul.

760
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Speaker 8: That'd be audacity to not agree. Yeah, and and sorry, Yeah,

761
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Speaker 8: I won't let it happen.

762
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Speaker 3: This is what you're being mocked for, Paul, this attitude.

763
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Speaker 3: You can have a different opinion, but like not the

764
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Speaker 3: way I see it. When someone disagrees, then again, I.

765
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Speaker 8: Don't see it the way you do, so I'm automatically wrong.

766
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Speaker 8: I don't see it that way.

767
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Speaker 3: You're not wrong, no one, no one's wrong. It's just

768
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Speaker 3: like I don't know why you have to like act

769
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 3: that way, like everyone's at acting.

770
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Speaker 8: Like I'm acting anyway. Okay, all right, but I don't

771
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Speaker 8: just I don't agree with you. So it's not the

772
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Speaker 8: same way. That's the way you see it has to

773
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Speaker 8: be the way we see it. Well, I see it.

774
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Speaker 8: I shouldn't put what.

775
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Speaker 3: I don't understand why two people can't have different opinions.

776
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Speaker 3: I don't either, you know, So as soon as I

777
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 3: push back, you act like a baby. That's what I'm saying.

778
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Speaker 8: Enough for pushing back, for the mocking, the laughing, like

779
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Speaker 8: how could you even think that?

780
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: Well?

781
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 3: So what so what what I mean?

782
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Speaker 8: You know, I believe me. I told you I will

783
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 8: try to just conform. Okay, now on I'll try not

784
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 8: to have my thoughts aired.

785
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Speaker 3: Okay, what about Kaden Wallace? Yeah, I was gonna move

786
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 3: on to Christian Barmore because you know, I think I

787
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 3: think we might be all in agreement. That was a

788
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,240
Speaker 3: good move by the Patriots.

789
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 5: It was a good move for the Patriots. Yeah, yeah, sure,

790
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 5: I mean long needed and you know Dougger him.

791
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and when you Jennings, now, I was a little surprised,

792
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 3: and you know that only about half of it was guaranteed,

793
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 3: because in today's day and age, like a lot of

794
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 3: these deals like seventy five percent are being guaranteed. But

795
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 3: I think it's a good lesson when you have a

796
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 3: guy like that, do it early, as early as you

797
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 3: can do it a year early. Don't wait, you know,

798
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Speaker 3: get that thing done.

799
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Speaker 5: That's I mean, that's that's the whole thing. I mean,

800
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 5: why you know, why wasn't Dougger done last year? You know,

801
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 5: it's the same same kind of thing, you know.

802
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 6: I just I think to me, it's just it's two

803
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 6: different ways. And I always feel like we come or

804
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 6: I come across it, and I want to speak for

805
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 6: you guys, like it's always Bill's ray was always wrong,

806
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 6: which might not be the case right or it wasn't

807
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 6: always the case. But Bill would have drafted Christian Barmore's

808
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 6: replacement this year. He would have used a premium pick

809
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 6: on a defensive tackle, and he would have said in

810
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 6: a year from now, he's gonna train under Christian Barmore

811
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Speaker 6: for a year and a year from now, we're gonna

812
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Speaker 6: let Barmore walk for the third round compick and this

813
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 6: guy's gonna take his place, and we're not going to

814
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 6: miss a beat. And he would have done the same thing.

815
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Speaker 6: He did the same thing. He drafted Marty Mapu to

816
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 6: replace Kyle Dugger. He did the same thing with Kyle Dugger.

817
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 6: And I think the bigger thing that you see with

818
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 6: that is one, it's not that the next player is

819
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 6: not always as good, which is I think the situation

820
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 6: they got into the last couple of years. And two Thenett,

821
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 6: you don't use that asset on other holes. So now

822
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 6: you're drafting a defensive tackle in the second round and

823
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Speaker 6: you're not drafting Jalen Polk. So it just has a

824
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Speaker 6: dominant effect. Now in the long run about the individual player,

825
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 6: maybe Bill will end up would have ended up being right.

826
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 6: Maybe Kyle Duger this is as good as he's gonna get.

827
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 6: And maybe you know, the contract in a year from

828
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 6: now is gonna look terrible, and Bill would have been

829
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 6: right in terms of the individual player. But it's all

830
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 6: you know, there's a lot more of a web there

831
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Speaker 6: than just what effect it has on that one player.

832
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Speaker 6: Last year, they drafted everybody's replacements, that's what they did.

833
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Speaker 5: And you can't just do that every year. I mean,

834
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 5: that's just you fall out of the cycle. You only

835
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 5: have maybe at nine to ten draft picks a year.

836
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Speaker 5: You can't just continue, excuse me, to recycle things. And

837
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 5: that's the problem. They weren't enough of those guys. There

838
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 5: weren't enough extensions they got. You know, they lost their way,

839
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 5: especially on the offensive side of the ball, and then

840
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 5: it seemed like they just started running this like we'll

841
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 5: just replace them on defense kind of thing. So I

842
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 5: think it's a good move for Barmore. I mean, you know,

843
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 5: four years extension, he's here for a while. I mean

844
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 5: I still think, you know, not to get ahead of ourselves,

845
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 5: but defense is going to need to be rebuilt.

846
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. I mean everyone's assuming that the defense is

847
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 3: going to be just pick up where it left off.

848
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Speaker 3: Last year.

849
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Speaker 5: Well, I mean this year maybe, I mean this year maybe,

850
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 5: I mean they'll get they'll get some guys back, and

851
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 5: I mean, but you know, next year, it's it's Godshaw Wise,

852
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 5: you know, Bentley, all those guys are out next year,

853
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 5: so you know, they're, yeah, it was good to get Barmore.

854
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 5: So you have one piece up front.

855
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 7: That I also like that when you exert this much

856
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 7: energy and you promote draft and develop guys, it's like

857
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 7: you aren't that much energy developing bar More into what

858
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 7: he is today. Like why would you let him walk

859
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 7: out the door and let someone else like profit.

860
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Speaker 8: Off of that.

861
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 5: That's a hard thing too, Like guys like Toney, you know,

862
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 5: it's just guys that you drafted, you developed. You know,

863
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 5: they're good players, and it's you.

864
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Speaker 6: Know, he would have done the same thing with Mike

865
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Speaker 6: on Wenhu, Like they drafted Citisow to replace Mike on Weho.

866
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Speaker 5: Yeah, they just never drafted anybody to replace Gronk or Edelman,

867
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 5: and they.

868
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 8: Just drafted bad players.

869
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Speaker 3: Like and plus, you know, when you compare the drafts

870
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 3: when Brady was here to drafts that it's not a

871
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 3: fair comparison, you know, because you could take chances with

872
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 3: Brady and screw up and you'd still win twelve games,

873
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 3: you know, and so you didn't notice it as much.

874
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 3: Plus you had a foundation of like good players. I

875
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 3: think now the foundation is bar More, you know, the

876
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 3: hopefully the foundation is dugger and guys like that you

877
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 3: need to keep those guys were in the past. You know,

878
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 3: maybe you didn't have to do that. Maybe you drafted

879
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 3: guys that were replacements so that you could keep that

880
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 3: salary down and you know, spend it on Tom Brady

881
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 3: or whatever. But you know, it's it's not fair to

882
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 3: compare the post Brady drafts to Bratt drafts that you

883
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 3: had with Brady.

884
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 8: I agree, because there's a talent level that you didn't

885
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 8: necessarily need to have when Brady was here. Right now,

886
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 8: I love the Barmore resigning and I'm not necessarily sure

887
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 8: that it's not one that Bill would have mait. It's

888
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 8: like Michael and you, they wouldn't have done that. Well,

889
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 8: they just did it with Jack Mason five years ago,

890
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 8: Like they drafted a guard that really hit and they

891
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 8: gave him a big time extension. Now they pulled the

892
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 8: plug in the middle of the extension. But that's different,

893
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 8: Like they did give him a second contract. And I

894
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 8: think there are other guys that he feels like. I

895
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 8: think we have no way of knowing this, but I

896
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 8: think he may have felt Barmel was different because Barbera

897
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 8: was special as opposed to maybe to Evan's point about

898
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 8: Dugger and Mapu. Maybe he just feels like Douger is

899
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 8: just another guy, and maybe he wouldn't have got that

900
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 8: could be, you know what I mean, I'd listen to

901
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 8: that argument. You know, And we have no way of

902
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 8: knowing for sure because Bill's not here anymore obviously, But

903
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 8: I think he might have treated Barmore a little bit.

904
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 3: I think I do too.

905
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 8: I mean, and I don't think he broke the bank either.

906
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 8: I think that was a really team friendly deal.

907
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 7: Yeah.

908
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 5: No, I think that's a good point, Paul. That's what

909
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 5: I mean. That that's been the hard thing is like

910
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 5: I don't really nextinarily. I mean, there was a time

911
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 5: last year when I was saying, like and when you

912
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 5: I mean, he's good, but I don't, I mean, Duggar,

913
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 5: he's good. But but Barmore, You're right, like maybe he would.

914
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 8: And I think the state of the offensive line would

915
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 8: have led to an extension because I feel like he

916
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 8: might have looked at it and said, we got to

917
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 8: somebody gotta have somebody to bank or this thing. David

918
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 8: Andrews is going to be around forever. Yeah.

919
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 3: I just want to let everyone know coming up at

920
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 3: around one o'clock. We're going to be joined by Field

921
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 3: Yates from ESPN. Obviously, he was a NonStop on ESPN

922
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 3: on TV over the weekend with draft and you know

923
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 3: he's dived as deep into the draft as anyone over there.

924
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 3: So we'll get his opinion. He's got his new England roots.

925
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 5: We talk to him at the combarm.

926
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, always interested to see what the Patriots are doing

927
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 3: and hear from him from his perspective. So we'll do

928
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 3: that around one o'clock or so. So that's that'll be.

929
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 3: That'll be fun. You guys have your questions ready for him.

930
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 8: Yes, I have one question for him.

931
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 3: You do nothing? How did you get in the business.

932
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 8: We've talked about that before though.

933
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 7: Okay, all right, can we get Mina Chimes.

934
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 6: I've tried to get Mina Chimes. She's a tough get,

935
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 6: is that right. She's a busy gal for Taylor Kyles.

936
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 6: That's true, that's true, and I hold out against her.

937
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 7: Maybe you need to work on your DM game.

938
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 6: I don't think Jess would like that they've got a

939
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 6: DM game. Being bad is a good thing.

940
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 3: Yeah all right, Yeah, so that's that's good news. Christian

941
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 3: Barmore locked up. Now, you know, I think in terms

942
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 3: of like his potential and you compare it to Dougger,

943
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 3: he's bar more special. I think, Yeah, Dougger's good by

944
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 3: I ain't bar more special. I hope that now that

945
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 3: he's got his bag, that he keeps up that you know,

946
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 3: energy that he's shown the last couple of years.

947
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 5: He doesn't know any other way, Fred, I mean, you

948
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 5: just talked to him, just stand at his locker and

949
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 5: he's just can't He's got a move. He is just

950
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 5: that kind of guy.

951
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 8: So he seems to really love football too.

952
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 6: I've had a lot of conversations with him about like technique,

953
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 6: like real football minutia type of stuff, and he's he's

954
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 6: a craftsman, like he works on it like you can tell.

955
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 6: And I think he really really likes DeMarcus Covington a lot.

956
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 3: So whatever the knock on him coming out of Alabama was,

957
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 3: it seems that that's gone away.

958
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 5: Oh boy. Yeah, remember Warren Sap. Warren Sap had a

959
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 5: whole thing of like I wouldn't draft this guy with

960
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:38,959
Speaker 5: a ten foot poll Yeah that makes sense.

961
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 6: But yeah, I think, you know, defensively, I was looking

962
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 6: around at some of the the other depth charts on

963
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 6: our lads and things like that. And honestly, if Christian

964
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 6: Gonzales and is as good as he was for the

965
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 6: month that he was healthy last year, the Patriots defense

966
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 6: is as good as anybody on paper, you know, just

967
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,439
Speaker 6: in terms of how deep they are, and you really

968
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 6: think so yeah, I really think so yeah. I mean

969
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 6: they have assuming Judoon comes back and is on this team.

970
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 6: You know, Judan, Barmore, Gonzales are potentially three Pro Bowl

971
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:11,720
Speaker 6: caliber players.

972
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 3: Are you factoring in the loss of one Bill Belichick?

973
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 6: Maybe not as much as you but yeah, I mean,

974
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 6: like obviously that's gonna have a game plan impact on them.

975
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,919
Speaker 6: I'm more talking about from like a talent personnel standpoint, yeah,

976
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 6: because they still have a lot of like those lunch

977
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 6: payal Belichick guys to to supplement the star players, you know,

978
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 6: to Vibe Bentley, Dietrich Wise, you know those types of

979
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 6: guys too. So it's not just the high end talent

980
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 6: like maybe other teams. You could argue you have a

981
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,720
Speaker 6: little bit more of that, like you know, elite, elite,

982
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 6: blue chip talent. But if Barmore continues to ascend and

983
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 6: Gonzalez is as good as he was last year when

984
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 6: he was healthy. Then I mean I take the Patriots defense.

985
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, me too. I mean I think you know,

986
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 5: we had we did a video yesterday just some of

987
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 5: the interesting stuff. It is like some of the positions

988
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 5: they maybe didn't necessarily address. It kind of puts a

989
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 5: spotlight a little bit on you know, like a mop

990
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 5: who didn't draft the free safety type. We kind of

991
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 5: talked about Kevin Harris on the offensive side of the ball,

992
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 5: you know, didn't really draft a running back, so you know,

993
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 5: and I think Isaiah Bolden and this Marcellus Dial, I'm

994
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 5: really interested to see them because I think we all,

995
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 5: you know, kind of feel like they could use another

996
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 5: corner like in the mix and.

997
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, them and Alex Austin, you know, add those If

998
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 6: they can get an outside corner that can play some

999
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 6: snaps out of those three guys, then.

1000
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 3: Inst to keep an eye on shoulder shoulder.

1001
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 8: Gonzales torn Labor feel so as.

1002
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 3: Long as it wasn't those hips the hipstone live hips

1003
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 3: don't live, no, And you know, in all seriousness, the

1004
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 3: thing I loved about Gonzales is, you know, like Malcolm

1005
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 3: Butler was feisty, He was a competitor and he you

1006
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 3: know he but Gonzalez is an athlete, like he does

1007
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 3: it with with talent, Stean Gilmore like he yeah, Stefan

1008
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 3: Gilmore or dare I say Tylaw? Like he stays with

1009
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 3: a guy because of his talent, not because of his feistiness.

1010
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 3: You know, he's able to mirror a guy. And to me,

1011
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,240
Speaker 3: that's I've always thought that's a rare skill in the NFL.

1012
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 3: Like to be able to be that kind of mirror

1013
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 3: corner in this league is it's a rare commodity. And

1014
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 3: when you get one of those guys, you don't let

1015
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 3: him go.

1016
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:15,919
Speaker 5: It's recovery too. I mean I remember in those couple

1017
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 5: of games. That's what stood out to me was just

1018
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 5: even when he was kind of taking a half false step,

1019
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 5: like he's good enough that he can recover from that stuff.

1020
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 5: So very excited. I mean there's a lot to I mean,

1021
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 5: Andy was saying that he's excited. You know, I tweeted out,

1022
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 5: I'm like Jesus, how things have changed. I mean, but

1023
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 5: I think he's right. You know, there's a lot there's

1024
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 5: some talent coming back, guys that were good. And then

1025
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 5: I mean, you just you've got a whole bunch of

1026
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 5: new offensive pieces that it's gonna be fun to just

1027
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 5: get out there, see what they look like, see what

1028
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 5: they move like. And I'm just excited to see what

1029
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 5: Joel Milton looks like.

1030
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, with Gonzo, his speed is I'm just going to

1031
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 6: for I'm just right over that his speed in a

1032
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 6: straight line, like, I mean, he ran a four to three,

1033
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 6: so it's obviously there. But he plays to the four

1034
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 6: to three dial, no Gonzales. Yeah, it dialed though it

1035
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 6: ran like in the mid four force. It has some

1036
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 6: length and some ball skills. So you had thirty one

1037
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 6: pass breakups in college, you know, which is a pretty

1038
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 6: big number for a college corner So there's some there's

1039
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 6: some talent there in terms of finding the ball, like

1040
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 6: their typical type of guy that can play man and

1041
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 6: find the football and do that kind of thing.

1042
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 5: I'd say that's that's like a thing to watch for me.

1043
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 5: You know this summer is who can a third cornerback

1044
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 5: kind of emerge? And you know, I still have a cornerback.

1045
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 5: Yeah he's still there, but I still think there's questions

1046
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 5: in the slot. I mean, you know, we can Marcus

1047
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,439
Speaker 5: Jones stay healthy? Can he play the slot full time.

1048
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 5: I mean, so I definitely think. I mean, but as

1049
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 5: Evan pointed out on our little video shoot, maybe somebody

1050
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 5: like Gilmore or you know, that kind of addition could

1051
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 5: still possibly happen.

1052
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 6: Now, Yeah, if you get the third corner, if you

1053
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 6: have an outside corner that can play a lot and

1054
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 6: you know, let's call it sixty five percent of the

1055
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 6: snaps that you feel really good about, and you have

1056
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 6: Jonathan Jones more back inside to Nickel like, then I

1057
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 6: think that's probably their best combination. Nothing against Marcus Jones,

1058
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 6: but I think that's probably their best combination. Is if

1059
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 6: in Alex Austin, Isaiah Olden dial someone like that emerges

1060
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 6: as the Jason mccorthy type, and then that allows Jones

1061
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 6: to case.

1062
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 3: I'd love to go back to where when we were

1063
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 3: like a man team on defense, you know, not have

1064
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 3: to do zone play like a man. No, but like

1065
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 3: you know, the more you can put one on one coverage,

1066
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 3: the more it frees up your defense to do other things.

1067
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 3: And you know, I loved if Gilmore, you know, someone

1068
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 3: of that ilk came into.

1069
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 8: Not as much anymore.

1070
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 6: In yeah, you lose the compic formula situation too, not

1071
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 6: that that matters for the Patriots, but it matters for

1072
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 6: for a lot of teams, So that could maybe make

1073
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:47,919
Speaker 6: it a little bit more money.

1074
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 3: Was he being asked to be number one in Carolina?

1075
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 3: Where when he got.

1076
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 8: Traded down there?

1077
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 3: But he got traded after Diggs got hurt?

1078
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 8: He was there number one? Are you talking about Carolina? Dallas?

1079
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 3: His last stop was Dallas, y Yeah, so he wasn't

1080
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 3: the number one and down I know that. Yeah, Okay,

1081
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 3: all right, all right, Well, well.

1082
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 8: At this point I would say that he's probably not

1083
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 8: going to sign until camp, Yeah, because he would he

1084
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 8: would have signed initially if he got like maybe years

1085
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 8: in money, But now that he's not going to get that,

1086
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 8: he's probably like, yeah, I don't want to hear any

1087
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 8: of the spring crap right in camp if he's looking

1088
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 8: for that one year reset coming back here where he

1089
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 8: knows the system and it's a pretty good defense around

1090
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 8: him and he knows Gerrod, Like I could see that

1091
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 8: him thinking, well, that's probably where.

1092
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 5: It's not bills off season anymore. It's it's.

1093
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1094
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 8: My initial impression would be there's no chance, But because

1095
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 8: of Gerard, I think there is a chance. I think

1096
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 8: he would you know, depending on his relationship with Mayo,

1097
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 8: how he felt about Mayo, I do I don't even

1098
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 8: see him doing it. The bigger question is not going

1099
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 8: to get money. I just would think that he would

1100
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 8: rather go to a contender.

1101
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 5: The bigger question, just for me, outside of specifically to Gilmore,

1102
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 5: is just you know what guys on the roster that

1103
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 5: are younger, that haven't really gotten a chance yet, maybe

1104
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,479
Speaker 5: like a map does this administration look at and see,

1105
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 5: let's get we want to get this guy involved. We

1106
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 5: want you know, they've they've talked a lot about that,

1107
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 5: drafting guys, allowing the coaches to work with them, allowing

1108
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 5: them to play. So you know that's that's in the

1109
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 5: Kevin Harris like is you know, do they see him

1110
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 5: and say, man, if he wasn't behind Ezekiel Elliot last year,

1111
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 5: he could have really gotten a chance.

1112
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1113
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't really feel passionate about any of

1114
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 5: those guys. I mean, to be honest, I'm curious about

1115
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 5: Mapa though.

1116
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 8: What about on White?

1117
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 6: Like I feel like, yeah, White is one of those

1118
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 6: guys that you just drafted him in the second round,

1119
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 6: Like you should hope to think that, you know, we

1120
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 6: keep talking about edge rusher to jump, Well, there's your

1121
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 6: edge rusher.

1122
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 5: Does he kind of play in the guy role? Do

1123
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 5: they move him more to more hand down defensive end

1124
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 5: kind of thing? And and kind of quit it with

1125
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 5: the with the standing up or is armand Watson there?

1126
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 5: And ke On White continues, I don't think if him

1127
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 5: as an edge us I don't. I think of him

1128
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:51,919
Speaker 5: as a guy down.

1129
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I think that's where he's been his

1130
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 6: best wer. Yeah, but I wonder if you know, he

1131
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 6: comes in a little lighter, you know, and like you

1132
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 6: say him, why don't you drop ten pounds of you

1133
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 6: know whatever?

1134
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 5: And you can sell me on it with the outside

1135
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 5: linebacker depth because there's really nobody. So if you if

1136
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 5: you want to come back and tell me Cam White's

1137
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 5: going to be a pure outside linebacker this year, like.

1138
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 8: Because I just don't think that he's like a block

1139
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 8: eating three four end. No, No, he's I think that's

1140
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 8: what Bill wanted him to do last year. I mean

1141
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 8: in camp, you remember how many times he would be

1142
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 8: out there and it just didn't seem like it.

1143
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 6: I just think he's too small for that. Like I

1144
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 6: think that you know, his his strains are obviously like

1145
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 6: his first step in his athleticism, and I think he's

1146
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,879
Speaker 6: a little bit too clunky to play up on his feet.

1147
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 6: But if you had him lose some weight and maybe

1148
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 6: go about it a little bit differently where it's like

1149
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,959
Speaker 6: we're trying to thin out a little bit, then maybe

1150
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:39,720
Speaker 6: he could he could.

1151
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 8: Do it a little bit better.

1152
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a good one.

1153
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right. Eight five five PATS five hundred is

1154
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 3: the Aceticket hotline web radio at patries dot com is

1155
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 3: the email address Carries in New Hampshire. What's up? Carry? Hey? Carry?

1156
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 11: Hello, Hey, Hey, Okay, I wanted to tell you guy,

1157
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,760
Speaker 11: you've taught me most of what I know about football.

1158
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 3: I'm sorry you don't know anything.

1159
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 11: Long time listener, but I do have to tell you

1160
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 11: I don't normally listen live today. I just need to

1161
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 11: tell Paul and Fred to take a deep breath because

1162
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 11: we don't want to listen to that.

1163
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 3: On this Okay, I'm sorry, I'm sorry too.

1164
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 11: Much, arguing, too much arguing. Anyway, that being said, I'm

1165
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 11: excited about what's coming this year and continue to listen.

1166
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 11: You guys are the only ones I listen to and

1167
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 11: thank you for teaching me everything.

1168
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 3: That I know. Okay, well, what makes you excited before

1169
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 3: you go anything? In particular? You said you're excited about it.

1170
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 11: Just to change, I think, just to change everywhere from

1171
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:51,879
Speaker 11: the top down.

1172
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 3: Okay, new start.

1173
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 11: You know, I mean, you know they're not going to

1174
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 11: hit on every single one of these picks. And I'm

1175
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 11: okay with that.

1176
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, good because they won't.

1177
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 11: Just wait and see how it all all right?

1178
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 3: Thanks Carrie, Carrie New Hampshire not happy with the arguing. Yeah, okay,

1179
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 3: this is an argument free zone.

1180
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 8: She wants no, that's what we will get.

1181
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 3: Mike and Bell. Rica writes in starting up by saying,

1182
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 3: I love this draft. Drake was my guy. I got

1183
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,399
Speaker 3: to meet him in Detroit and I'm thrilled we got him.

1184
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 3: My only issue is this felt like the same as always,

1185
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 3: albeit with more offense. We moved off the consensus guy

1186
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 3: of Mitchell. I know, I know he has diabetes. He's

1187
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 3: a monster. Why can't he go drunk driving?

1188
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: Like?

1189
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 3: Well? Come? Then we reached on day three projected right

1190
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,800
Speaker 3: tackle who we have to play out of position because

1191
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 3: of a whole we decided to not seriously fill at

1192
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 3: previous opportunities. I like Poke and I really love Baker

1193
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 3: and I hope takes the position change well. But this

1194
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 3: didn't seem like we drafted all two differently than when

1195
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:06,720
Speaker 3: we had Bill. What am I missing?

1196
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:07,240
Speaker 8: Really?

1197
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 6: We drafted two receivers in all offense.

1198
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 7: Like literally, I feel like it would have been maybe

1199
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,919
Speaker 7: four defensive players in three offense or maybe four, maybe

1200
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 7: five and two.

1201
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I think like he's recognizing that we went offense,

1202
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 3: but I think I think the style is what he's

1203
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 3: talking about.

1204
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 8: Like maybe, yeah, I guess I could hear that with

1205
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 8: the email.

1206
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1207
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 6: I feel like when you draft seven of eight offensive players,

1208
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 6: that is something that hell would freeze over before Bill

1209
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 6: Belichick did that.

1210
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 3: No, but but it's it's not it's not the fact

1211
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 3: that they did offense. Its defense. It's it's the quality

1212
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 3: or you know, players that they could have had verus

1213
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 3: who they took.

1214
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 8: But to you or to the email, that's what That's

1215
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:48,919
Speaker 8: the point.

1216
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I just I'm I ranked these players as

1217
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 6: much as anybody, but like it's just my opinion, you know,

1218
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 6: And like when I see these draft grades and stuff

1219
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 6: like that, I'm like, Okay, so you're going off of

1220
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 6: your pre draft opinion of these players. Which is all

1221
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 6: you can do. But what if you're wrong?

1222
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you got to remember we're drafting at the

1223
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 3: top of every round for the most part, rather than

1224
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 3: middle or bottom, so that that changes who you have

1225
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 3: an opportunity to get.

1226
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 4: You know.

1227
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 7: Also, I think, for whatever reason we still haven't heard yet,

1228
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 7: but Adie Mitchell, a lot of teams kept passing.

1229
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 3: People passed up so like the.

1230
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,399
Speaker 7: Bills could have taken him, the Chiefs could have taken

1231
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 7: him like they didn't. So I think it's clearly a

1232
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 7: reason that all those teams skipped him.

1233
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 3: Into the state and he could end up being the

1234
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 3: best of the bunch. You never know.

1235
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, George hung over our head for all eternity, could

1236
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 5: have had AJ Brown.

1237
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 3: I know, I know.

1238
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 6: That's my that's my biggest fear about this draft is

1239
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 6: you really have I take Adie Mitchell out of it

1240
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 6: because he wasn't on their board, like they passed on

1241
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 6: him multiple times. He wasn't there, like he wasn't going

1242
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:57,760
Speaker 6: to be a Patriot. But Xavierly get Lad McConkie, Troy Franklin.

1243
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 6: If they looked at those three guys versus the two

1244
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 6: guys they actually did draft, that's gonna be three years

1245
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 6: from now if it's gonna be George Pickens Taekwon Thornton

1246
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 6: all over again.

1247
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 7: Like, do you think they viewed Lad McConkie though, was

1248
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 7: too similar to Pop Douglas Like.

1249
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 6: No, I mean maybe, but I think they're different, very

1250
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 6: different players. Like Lad mcconkee is a is a deep threat,

1251
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 6: like he's just he's a you want to small guys.

1252
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 6: I think it was more about the size in the

1253
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 6: play strength, yeah, than necessarily stylistically. But you know, Lad

1254
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 6: mccakie is one hundred and eighty six pounds.

1255
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 5: You know, that's what Baker are both like six to

1256
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 5: one and change and over two hundred pounds. I mean

1257
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 5: they're both pretty thick dudes that you know.

1258
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 7: How much does Pop Way.

1259
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,240
Speaker 5: Like one hundred and eighty pounds, Yeah.

1260
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:51,959
Speaker 6: Similar to yes, less I think best Maybe Pop Pop

1261
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 6: small too, Yeah, Pops short, but.

1262
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 5: It's a good compliment to the other. Two guys talked

1263
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 5: about inside outside and outside and an inside.

1264
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 6: That's one thing I've thought about it is just in

1265
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 6: talking about these receivers and stuff like that. You know,

1266
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 6: everybody's like, well they don't have anybody with any real speed.

1267
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 6: Well they have Pop Douglas. Like Pop Pop Douglas is

1268
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 6: a fast guy. Like even down the field, he's a

1269
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 6: fast guy. I mean, we saw it last year that

1270
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:19,879
Speaker 6: he's got legit game speed. So I know everybody's well,

1271
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 6: maybe this is finally taekwon Thornton's chance.

1272
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 5: Like no, no, and to that point, that's that's a

1273
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 5: can can Javon Baker get off the line? You know,

1274
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 5: like that's a big question for me. How does he

1275
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,320
Speaker 5: look against you know, going up against Gonzales in practice

1276
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 5: when we see these guys like.

1277
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 8: Straightjack fair match.

1278
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 3: When Drake May finally becomes the starting quarterback, who will

1279
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:43,919
Speaker 3: be his binkie out of this group?

1280
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, Jaylen Polk. I mean, and I think Pop Pop

1281
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 5: would have a level of that too.

1282
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 8: I would hope, you know, just with his you know

1283
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 8: about not signing guys to Mario, Douglas is a guy

1284
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 8: that Bill wouldn't give a second contract. Oh yeah, oh yeah,

1285
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 8: like I six rounder every where I created him. Now

1286
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 8: someone's going to overpay him quote but you know, overpay him.

1287
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 8: We got the best years out of him.

1288
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 3: They'll let him go.

1289
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 7: I was gonna say, like, I just why do if

1290
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 7: you pour so much into that and he becomes good,

1291
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 7: why would you let him walk?

1292
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 8: And he'll think that the first four years will be

1293
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 8: the best four years of his career and he's going

1294
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 8: to go down.

1295
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 3: Yeah at that size, that skill set. Yeah, they let on, right,

1296
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 3: they let it on.

1297
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Speaker 5: Watch want to know one of them?

1298
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 3: Right.

1299
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 6: That's a big concern about Papa is the concussions that

1300
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 6: have already added up, and the injuries and all that

1301
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 6: kind of stuff. But if he doesn't have to be

1302
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 6: a high volume guy like last year they were trying

1303
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 6: to feed him the ball because he's the best player

1304
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 6: on the field.

1305
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 8: He got a stretch there where he was getting a

1306
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 8: ton of targets.

1307
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 3: Right, All right, Uh, we'll take a break from this

1308
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 3: conversation because joining us now is Field Yates of ESPN. Field,

1309
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 3: can you hear me?

1310
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 12: You're okay? What's going on?

1311
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 3: How are you?

1312
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 12: I'm great? Thank you? Thanks for having me on exciting

1313
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 12: times right now in New England.

1314
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 8: Seeing you have a lot of rich mahogany behind you.

1315
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 8: I barn it.

1316
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 12: I took it off of a Reese's paycheck. That's how

1317
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 12: I paid for it.

1318
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 8: I know how that works.

1319
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 3: Field. It's good talking with you. Of course, you've got

1320
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 3: your New England roots. But now you're covering the league

1321
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 3: as a whole. But I'm sure that you always have

1322
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 3: a keen eye as to what the Patriots are doing.

1323
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 3: What was your opinion of how draft weekend turned out

1324
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 3: for the Patriots.

1325
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think this has the weekend. This is the

1326
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 12: potential to be the weekend.

1327
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,479
Speaker 13: And I know this is what everybody says about every draft,

1328
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 13: but the potential to be the weekend to set the

1329
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 13: course for the Patriots future. Drake May and I said

1330
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 13: this from the moment that the draft order was set

1331
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 13: for the non playoff teams, that there was no such

1332
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 13: thing as a consolation prize amongst the top three quarterbacks.

1333
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 8: The three months.

1334
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 13: Between the end of the regular season and the start

1335
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 13: of the NFL Draft, we're going to determine who went one, two,

1336
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 13: and three. But I really felt strongly that all three

1337
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 13: of them merited top three pick consideration, and depending on

1338
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 13: the year, any of them could have easily been the

1339
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 13: number one player in the entire draft. So the fact

1340
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 13: that the Patriots stood at number three resisted the temptation

1341
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 13: to move back, and I understand that temptation. There's evidence

1342
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 13: that suggests that having a ton of extra draft capo,

1343
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 13: it can be very, very valuable. But you know, there's

1344
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 13: nothing more important in roster building in football than having

1345
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 13: a quarterback who can make everything else go. And the

1346
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 13: Patriots now have that in Drake May, and they use

1347
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 13: six of their subsequent seven picks on offense, which was

1348
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 13: a sign that, hey, we have the quarterback in place.

1349
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 13: But it doesn't matter if you're the you know, if

1350
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 13: you're a rookie quarterback, or if you're at the very

1351
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 13: top of the food chain like Patrick Mahomes right now

1352
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 13: for the Chiefs, We're going to continue to invest in

1353
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 13: you because it's still the ultimate team sport and we

1354
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 13: have a lot of work to do to help get

1355
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 13: Drake May to where we believe he can get to.

1356
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 3: Are you in the sit him for a while or

1357
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 3: are you in the camp of he needs to get

1358
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 3: right out there.

1359
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:53,439
Speaker 12: Yeah, I'm okay with sitting Drake May for a little

1360
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 12: while here.

1361
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 13: And maybe I'm a little bit too old school for

1362
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 13: the modern era of the NFL, but I believe that

1363
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 13: one of the reasons in which we see young quarterbacks

1364
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 13: play so often is that there's pressure for these gms

1365
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 13: and head coaches that they understand that you know, they

1366
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 13: only have so much of a leash to work with here.

1367
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 13: We see so much turnover in those positions around the NFL.

1368
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 13: I don't think that's the case here with the Patriots,

1369
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 13: though obviously with Gerrod Mayo and Elliott Wolf both in

1370
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 13: their first years in their respective positions.

1371
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:23,479
Speaker 12: This does align as an.

1372
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 13: Opportunity for a team to say, if the quarterback isn't ready,

1373
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 13: or if they feel like playing Drake may right out

1374
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 13: of the shoots can do equally as much bad as

1375
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 13: it can good, then maybe it's a chance for Jacobe

1376
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 13: Brissett to start some number of games to begin this

1377
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 13: season one, two, ten, seventeen. I don't know the answer,

1378
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 13: to be specific, but I'm an advocate for it. If

1379
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 13: the player is not fully ready, it's gonna be really hard.

1380
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 13: If Drake may does some of the stuff that I ankisobey,

1381
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 13: he'll do. I know you guys have all watched him

1382
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 13: endlessly right now, but wait till first Patriots training camp

1383
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 13: practice is open to the public, because the fans are

1384
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 13: going to see up close and personal what kind of

1385
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 13: a special.

1386
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 12: Player this is.

1387
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 13: And you're gonna have moments during training camp they're gonna

1388
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 13: make you say wow.

1389
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 3: Now you're talking about Joe Milton, right. I've always.

1390
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 13: That's but Drake's gonna have enough moments they're going to

1391
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 13: a wow you that people are gonna say, how can

1392
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 13: we not.

1393
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 12: Play this kid? Right away?

1394
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 13: That being said, I do think there is something to

1395
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 13: be learned in a young quarterbacks a trajectory from seeing

1396
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 13: it from sideline view for a little bit. I'm not

1397
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 13: talking about three years here, I'm talking about any three

1398
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 13: games that might be what it takes for the Patriots

1399
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 13: to feel like Drake May is more ready.

1400
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 5: Phil, we talked to you, thanks for talking to us

1401
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 5: at the combine and uh Elliot Wolf saying Patriots got

1402
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 5: to weaponize their offense. What did you think of the

1403
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 5: two picks there, Polk and Baker.

1404
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 13: Yeah, If anybody here listens to the first Draft show,

1405
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 13: thank you first of all, But second of all, you'll

1406
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 13: know that Mel and I try to do our best

1407
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 13: to not spend all day talking about just the guys

1408
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 13: that will go at the very top of the draft,

1409
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 13: and we did our favorites list.

1410
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 12: It's our players.

1411
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 13: It could go not in round one or most likely

1412
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 13: not in round one that we just loved and loved

1413
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 13: studying them love something about their game, loved everything about

1414
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 13: their game. And the captain of my team was Jalen Polk.

1415
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 13: I felt strongly about this player throughout the process. I

1416
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 13: feel as though in a really really deep wide receiver

1417
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 13: class he might have been the most underappreciated of all

1418
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 13: of them. Jalen Polk is a dog. I know that's

1419
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 13: kind of a cliche, but this kid is so tough.

1420
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 13: He's got vice gript hands. The analogy that I continue

1421
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 13: to use is he is a low post player in

1422
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 13: the NBA twenty five years ago. Not a lot of flash,

1423
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 13: a lot of substance. He just gets buckets. There's just

1424
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 13: he just consistently moves the chains. And we talk about

1425
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 13: great hands in football, and we think about highlight reel catches,

1426
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 13: right the Odell Beckham junior catch with two fingertips, and

1427
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 13: those are great, Those are remarkable. I'm not trying to

1428
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 13: take away from the merits of those I think about

1429
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 13: great hands. I think about and you guys have all

1430
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 13: followed this team long enough to know, for you know,

1431
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 13: there's some great, great players that have come through this

1432
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 13: Patriots franchise for a long time, Guys who just consistently

1433
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 13: made clutch. Troy Brown a great example there, right, Like

1434
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 13: Troy just made catches reliably.

1435
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, the ball in his.

1436
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 12: Back hip, he just he made the catch.

1437
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 13: It wasn't necessarily these catches that gets you on the

1438
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 13: Sports Enter Top ten, but rather just clutch production plays.

1439
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 13: And I thought Jalen Polk just made catches consistently, really

1440
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 13: good body control as well. One of my favorite players, truly,

1441
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 13: one of my favorite players in the entire class.

1442
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 3: Will you talk about guys like Troy Brown and Edelman

1443
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 3: and Welker, guys that just moved the chain consistently. I

1444
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 3: felt all those guys had very, very high football IQs.

1445
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 3: You know, do you have any indication of Poke's IQ

1446
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 3: when it comes to football?

1447
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 13: Yeah, the IQ and the character are a plus, I

1448
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 13: mean outstanding. That's part of the consideration when you're sitting

1449
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 13: there at thirty seven, I know they were thirty four

1450
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 13: before they moved back, is that the board was kind

1451
01:03:57,560 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 13: of wide open there, right. You had a bunch of

1452
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 13: different wider seats that could have merited consideration right there,

1453
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 13: and they ended up adding some extra draft capital and

1454
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 13: then uh and then taking Jalen Polk. I believe was

1455
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 13: it the fourth that they got in the deal that

1456
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 13: they used on uh.

1457
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 12: Baker as well.

1458
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, is that correct? One? Yeah?

1459
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 13: I have to two hundred and fifty seven pick. Some

1460
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 13: of it's still blur to me. I know they gave

1461
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 13: it a fifth to La and picked up the force.

1462
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 13: That was where they got Javon Baker, but a third

1463
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 13: and seventh pick, Like, there are some real good candidates

1464
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 13: to take besides Jalen Polk.

1465
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 12: The thirty seven was a signed of not just the

1466
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 12: skill set.

1467
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 13: Physically, but also the mentality, the IQ, the person, the character.

1468
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 13: They have a young quarterback now in Drake May, and

1469
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 13: you want to make sure that you support him with

1470
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 13: the right people. We think about that if the coach,

1471
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 13: the offensive coordinator, you know, the you know, the position coach,

1472
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 13: they'll be working with you name it. But some of

1473
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 13: the people as well on the roster. What kind of

1474
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 13: guys do you want to have around your young quarterback?

1475
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 13: They're going to help elevate him in the same way

1476
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 13: that he can help elevate them. And I feel like

1477
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 13: Jalen Polk is like that. I had a chance. I

1478
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 13: loved him throughout the process. I went to Washington prote

1479
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 13: got a chance to see him up close and personal,

1480
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 13: and him and Roma Dunze, who of course went ninth

1481
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 13: to the Bears, like those are truly special young men

1482
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 13: as well, the kind of guys that the minute they

1483
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 13: walk into a room, they kind of changed the chemistry

1484
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 13: of it. So that was a big ad for the Patriots.

1485
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 13: You know, I saw the people. There were some belly aching.

1486
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 13: Apparently Jalen Pole went too high according to various boards.

1487
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 13: I had him forty second on my board, and I

1488
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 13: don't know, I have four hundred players graded, so you know,

1489
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 13: forty two for me, it was right in line with

1490
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 13: about where he went, and I thought this kid was

1491
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 13: an absolute stud.

1492
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 12: So I was great with that pick.

1493
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 13: Javon Baker was that was a value based off my board.

1494
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 13: He was believe, seventy second on my board, so that's

1495
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 13: a you know, good value there in the fourth round.

1496
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 13: But again this is in some ways it's just what

1497
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 13: are we doing to empower our young quarterback? And we're

1498
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 13: using six of our final eight selections excuse me, six

1499
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 13: of our final seven on offensive pieces. Maybe you want

1500
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 13: to call it five out of seven because one of

1501
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 13: them was also a quarterback. But the point is the

1502
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 13: Patriots went offense heavy throughout this draft, and while there's

1503
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 13: still work to do, it's a good step forward to

1504
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 13: help Drake may feel like, Hey, this team's trying to

1505
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 13: surround me with the right pieces.

1506
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 3: Ye Tamara Hi?

1507
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 8: What was Tamara Hi?

1508
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 7: What was your opinion of the Patriots double dipping at quarterback?

1509
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 8: And what do you think of the pick?

1510
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 6: Overall?

1511
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 13: Joe was one of the most fascinating players, regardless of position,

1512
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 13: in the entire class. I had so many conversations with

1513
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 13: people during the process, saying where do you think Joe

1514
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 13: Milton will go? And nobody could quite pinpoint what the

1515
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 13: exact round or pick would be for Joe because some

1516
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 13: of it with Joe during the evaluation is you saw

1517
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 13: what you wanted to see, but if you tried, if

1518
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 13: you took a big step back and just like took

1519
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 13: all the various exposures and try to condense them down

1520
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 13: into one single vision, what I saw was a player who,

1521
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 13: if coached up correctly and not rushed into action, has

1522
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 13: a chance to develop into something in the NFL.

1523
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 12: What does that something mean?

1524
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 13: I don't know, specifically becoming a starting quarterback after being

1525
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 13: taken in the was it sixth round, fifth round again?

1526
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 12: I'm sorry if I.

1527
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 13: Patriots fans probably would disagree with this, but that's hard

1528
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 13: to do, right.

1529
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 12: I mean, you know, Tom Brady is one to one

1530
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 12: in so many ways.

1531
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 5: It's high.

1532
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 13: Yeah, and that no one knowing becomes a starter from

1533
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 13: one ninety two. It's only that one ninety nine spot

1534
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 13: that matters. But Joe like the Patriots, and maybe this

1535
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 13: is the Elliot wolf factor.

1536
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 12: I don't know exactly why.

1537
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 13: Well, who is you know, the most responsible for winning?

1538
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 13: I guess I guess every pick is Elliott's most responsible for.

1539
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 13: But I don't know which voices in the room were

1540
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 13: also arguing for the sport of Joe Milton.

1541
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 12: But they want to be a quarterback factory. You want

1542
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 12: to have an arm in the pipeline every single year.

1543
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 13: And you know, I feel like it's good business to

1544
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 13: be drafted one almost every single year. We've seen teams

1545
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 13: that have done so, and you're not going to hit

1546
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 13: on all of them, but if you hit on one

1547
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 13: or two of them every five or eight or ten years,

1548
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 13: it's a great business. It's gonna help you out. So

1549
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 13: Joe's so fascinating. He's an awesome kid, he's a great dude.

1550
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 13: He's had to pay his dues. Joe has has not

1551
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 13: been easy. He kind of came to Michigan with a

1552
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 13: ton of fanfare and you know, the potential fourth star recruit.

1553
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 12: He had to wait.

1554
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 13: He basically had one year as a starting quarterback at

1555
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 13: the college level, one full season. But I mean, as

1556
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 13: we all know, massive arm, the most effortless arm I've

1557
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 13: seen in person in the college ranks for quite some time.

1558
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 13: I was good athlete too. An eighty plus yard touchdown

1559
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 13: run last year. There's something to work with with Joe.

1560
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 13: It's a project. But you know, in the sixth round,

1561
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:23,600
Speaker 13: those are the kind of sort of swing for the

1562
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 13: fences type of picks that I think are worthwhile.

1563
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 3: You know, some on this show feel like by getting

1564
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:32,799
Speaker 3: a guy like Joe Milton, who has such unique talents,

1565
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 3: but it's you're creating maybe unnecessary noise for a first

1566
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 3: round pick who also you need to develop any What

1567
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 3: do you think about that? You know, I don't.

1568
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 12: I don't think in the sixth round you're doing that.

1569
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 12: That's my opinion. I understand that that that thought and

1570
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 12: sentiment I've seen it. I didn't. I didn't interpret it that.

1571
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 13: Way personally, And part of that I think is probably

1572
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 13: like knowing the character of Drake a little bit, had

1573
01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 13: a chance to spend actually most of least until the

1574
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 13: until the third pick, the evening prior to the draft,

1575
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:08,080
Speaker 13: right around the May family and competitions in the blood

1576
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 13: of Drake May. I mean all three of his brothers

1577
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 13: were there, and they were you could just see it,

1578
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 13: right like I could. You could see the competitive fire

1579
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 13: of the four of them. We're kind of horsing around

1580
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 13: before the draft, having a blast, like getting ready for

1581
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 13: this special moment. And I don't think Drake is going

1582
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:23,880
Speaker 13: to be bothered by the presence of somebody, right He

1583
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 13: forever has had to kind of scratch and crawl and

1584
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 13: claude to become, you know, kind of the person he

1585
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 13: is today because he had three older brothers who were

1586
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:36,759
Speaker 13: all star athletes, I mean three who played Division one sports,

1587
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 13: you know, national champions and basketball and baseball and you know,

1588
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:43,799
Speaker 13: a big programs. So I don't I'd be surprised if

1589
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 13: this like created like this inherent I'm sure, you know,

1590
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 13: sort of uncertainty for Drake. I feel like he'll he'll

1591
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 13: he'll be cool with it.

1592
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 12: I do.

1593
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 13: I don't know that for a fact. I would guess

1594
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 13: that though, but I was, I was more fun with it.

1595
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 13: If it's a third round pick, then we got a problem. Yeah,

1596
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 13: you know, but the sixth round, one ninety two, Like,

1597
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 13: at some point there are only so many players on

1598
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:03,680
Speaker 13: the take. So I was, I thought that was a

1599
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 13: you know, reasonable way to approach.

1600
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:06,759
Speaker 8: That pick field.

1601
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 6: Bill Belichick was obviously on with Pat McAfee on ESPN

1602
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:13,560
Speaker 6: during the draft, and they showed a draft board it

1603
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 6: seemed to be team needs that were behind him, and uh,

1604
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 6: some people thought that maybe it was you know, I

1605
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:21,799
Speaker 6: weren't sure if those were actually Bill's needs for teams

1606
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 6: or if like you guys had handed it. I'm not

1607
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 6: sure if you knew, uh you know, who was the

1608
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,160
Speaker 6: one that was constructing that board. But it was just interesting,

1609
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 6: you know, to see what he thought of the Patriots roster,

1610
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 6: you know, obviously after he was just a coach here

1611
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 6: not too long ago.

1612
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 13: Yeah, I think those were I think so I know

1613
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 13: that was my bore that you saw. They're my top

1614
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:44,679
Speaker 13: fifty and such. Are you asking about the cornerback things specifically, Evan.

1615
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, the court It well was just obviously, you know,

1616
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 6: weird to see corner back up there compared to the

1617
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 6: receiver or something like that. But I was just wondering,

1618
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 6: if you know, did it was did Bill have a

1619
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 6: hand in those needs, because I'm interested, you know, about

1620
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 6: his thoughts on the.

1621
01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 8: Roster that he just coached.

1622
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,719
Speaker 13: Obviously, yeah, I'm almost positive and I'll pull the file

1623
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:04,680
Speaker 13: up right now. I did not have cornerback on my

1624
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 13: Patriots needless now I did not, So you know, I

1625
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:10,320
Speaker 13: think Bill had some influence there of how the needs

1626
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:12,560
Speaker 13: were conveyed because I just pulled it up that I

1627
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 13: did not have. I had, believe it or not, quarterback,

1628
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:19,360
Speaker 13: wide receiver. So that for my needs Patriots.

1629
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know, but you know that.

1630
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 13: So if you're if you're asking like, how could cornerback

1631
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 13: be a need for the Patriots? The question might be

1632
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 13: you have one, you know, potential megastar in Gonzo Uh,

1633
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 13: you have another solid starter in Jonathan Jones. Obviously, you

1634
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 13: have Marcus Jones hoping for you know, for for great

1635
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 13: things in a bounce back year this year? Do you

1636
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 13: need more size than that cornerback group, which, by the way,

1637
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 13: they got Marcellus Diele, who I had. He had been

1638
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 13: mentioned on the First Draft podcast as a value pick

1639
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 13: about ten days prior to the draft being beginning, So

1640
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:56,600
Speaker 13: I was a fan of the player there, but I

1641
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 13: personally felt like, you know, the needs were stronger, you know,

1642
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,200
Speaker 13: across the offensive line, I mean across the offensive board

1643
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:05,560
Speaker 13: pretty much, you know, wide receiver, offensive tackle, quarterback, and

1644
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 13: any kind of supplementary offensive line.

1645
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 8: Investments, field and your dealings with the various personnel guys.

1646
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 8: I'm just wondering if there was a consensus about Jayden

1647
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:18,519
Speaker 8: Daniels and Drake May. You know, I know you you

1648
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:20,640
Speaker 8: started off, did not get that. Did you feel like

1649
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:23,559
Speaker 8: there were anybody that felt May was better than Daniels?

1650
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 8: Like that's kind of That's kind of how we felt here,

1651
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:28,519
Speaker 8: you know, going in, and I don't know if we

1652
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 8: convinced ourselves sort of knowing that we had the third pick,

1653
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:34,040
Speaker 8: but I like a lot about what Drake May does

1654
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 8: over Jayden Daniels. I'm just curious what the you know,

1655
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 8: some of the executives might have thought that you spoke to.

1656
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 13: Yeah, it leaned towards Jayden versus Drake, but everybody also

1657
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 13: has a little bit of a different perspective on this.

1658
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 13: I would say the most popular refrain when assessing the

1659
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 13: case for Drake over Jayden is that the long term

1660
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 13: potential nutside Trader and I, by the way, I see

1661
01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:00,840
Speaker 13: a plausible case that I had Jaden asquarterback to Drake's

1662
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 13: quarterback three. But you know, I mean, guys, we're splitting

1663
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 13: hairs here obviously, but you know, the physical skill set

1664
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 13: in the upside that Drake brings to the table is ridiculous.

1665
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 13: You just don't find guys with that kind of size,

1666
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:16,280
Speaker 13: that kind of in pocket mobility, that kind of out

1667
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:20,599
Speaker 13: out of pocket mobility, the ability to manipulate the defenders

1668
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:23,839
Speaker 13: with his eyes down the field. The arm strike is great, obviously,

1669
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 13: the character is you know, off the charts great. You know,

1670
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:29,680
Speaker 13: the age I think is a factor as well. Durability

1671
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:32,680
Speaker 13: and if you're looking at through the New England lens, right,

1672
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 13: you need a guy who's built for the weather. I

1673
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:37,640
Speaker 13: don't know exactly, but it feels like the Patriots over

1674
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:40,840
Speaker 13: the past couple of years have been absolutely I mean,

1675
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:43,439
Speaker 13: especially in the winter, it's just been terrible weather, game

1676
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:46,120
Speaker 13: after game after game, and you know, I mean there

1677
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:48,960
Speaker 13: are games in which was the Jets game last year

1678
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 13: where it was like, what like five completions in the

1679
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 13: first quarters or something ridiculous. You know, you got to

1680
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 13: have a guy that has a rocket arm. You just

1681
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:57,680
Speaker 13: do big hands, rocket arm, can you know, take on

1682
01:13:58,160 --> 01:13:59,559
Speaker 13: you know the weather, and then take on some hits

1683
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:02,920
Speaker 13: as well. So you know, to me, Drake may had

1684
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:05,679
Speaker 13: an easy case to be quarterback two in this class.

1685
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:08,560
Speaker 13: I'd say more than anything though that the line that

1686
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:10,760
Speaker 13: I used earlier was the most important one in my eyes,

1687
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 13: which is, if there is no consolation prize of those three,

1688
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 13: it's really a matter of how each of those three

1689
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 13: teams developed them because as we know in the NFL,

1690
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 13: you know, quarterbacks obviously don't always live up to expectations,

1691
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:23,720
Speaker 13: but sometimes the teams fail the player as well.

1692
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:27,599
Speaker 3: Yep, all right field, I really appreciate you joining us.

1693
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:31,640
Speaker 3: It was great to hear and talk with you. So

1694
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 3: where can we get more of you on ESPN's What's

1695
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 3: on the map for twenty twenty four for you?

1696
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 13: Gosh, I hope nothing for a while here, but we'll see. No,

1697
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:42,640
Speaker 13: I'm kidding them that. I We'll just keep rocking and roll.

1698
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:44,600
Speaker 13: First Draft is wrapped up for the season, so we

1699
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 13: had a blast there and Fantasy football season. I started

1700
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 13: my rankings this morning, so we're rocking and rolling. And

1701
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:53,599
Speaker 13: then I had my first twelve players for twenty twenty

1702
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:54,840
Speaker 13: five NFL's raft up here.

1703
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,600
Speaker 12: My grease board right here too. So we're going to

1704
01:14:57,680 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 12: keep ranking away one way or the other. All right,

1705
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 12: fields have no shot.

1706
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 6: Are you a Calvin bankster or Will Campbell guy?

1707
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 8: Say that?

1708
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:08,720
Speaker 12: What we're talking Evan?

1709
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:10,800
Speaker 6: Are you a Calvin Bankster or Will Campbell guy?

1710
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 12: Well, you know a little biased.

1711
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 13: And I spent the past week in Detroit, uh and

1712
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:17,720
Speaker 13: you know I heard everybody's talking about Will Campbell. But

1713
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 13: I mean these these are you know, breaking that time

1714
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 13: will be a fun problem for the next eleven and

1715
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:24,559
Speaker 13: a half months to debate. But I tell you what, Well,

1716
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:27,679
Speaker 13: Campbell had a great chance to catch up with Wink Martindale.

1717
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 13: He's now the DC at Michigan, and to say that

1718
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 13: he's fired up about Will Campbell would be the understatement

1719
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 13: of the year.

1720
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 3: All Right, Phil Yates, thank you so much. We're going

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Speaker 15: What's going on with Brian Horror these days?

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Speaker 4: No, I don't know.

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Speaker 16: I think it would take a great opportunity to come

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Speaker 16: along for me to do that. Obviously, I was in

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01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 16: Las Vegas last year. I know I can still play

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01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:18,600
Speaker 16: because I beat the Patriots last year, one of the

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Speaker 16: most to the list of the sweet moments of my career.

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Speaker 16: So we'll talk about that later. But you know, so

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Speaker 16: I know I can still physically do it. But at

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Speaker 16: thirty eight years old, my kids are getting older. You know,

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Speaker 16: I think it would take a really great opportunity for me,

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Speaker 16: you know, to come along, for me to to kind

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Speaker 16: of look and see. But so I know I can

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Speaker 16: still do it. Body feels relatively healthy, and you know,

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Speaker 16: so we'll see. It's it's always open. People always say,

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01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 16: you know, you if someone's offering you an opportunity to

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Speaker 16: play and you feel like you could do it, you know,

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Speaker 16: you know, I remember a former teammate saying play till

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01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 16: they tell you you can't. So definitely capable of it.

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Speaker 16: It's just got to be I think, the right opportunity

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Speaker 16: at this point, you know.

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Speaker 15: It It's like us sit there and oh, you know,

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Speaker 15: he can play, or it's time to go, and everything

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Speaker 15: like that. But I don't think the lay people realize

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Speaker 15: what's it like to make that decision as a family. Yeah,

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01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:14,559
Speaker 15: when you have a wife who's supported you cross country trips,

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Speaker 15: taking kids back and forth, at some point in time,

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Speaker 15: her decision or her opinion, while always valued, you got

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Speaker 15: to really listen to that's got to be hard, like

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Speaker 15: from as a family standpoint, like at what point time

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Speaker 15: do I need to devote my time to them? Right?

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Speaker 4: And that's a huge part of the decision making.

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Speaker 16: So that's why I said, like, it have to be

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01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 16: the right opportunity and all those things, because you know,

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Speaker 16: deciding to go to play in Las Vegas last year, it.

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Speaker 4: Was not an easy choice.

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Speaker 16: It was an easy choice because it was Josh in

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01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 16: my relationship with him, but it wasn't an easy choice

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Speaker 16: in the regards of what does this mean for my family?

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Speaker 16: And thankfully we had a great school here that allowed

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Speaker 16: our kids to kind of virtual school with the help

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Speaker 16: of a tutor out there.

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Speaker 4: But it was rough.

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Speaker 16: It was it was a rough transition, and they were

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Speaker 16: all happy to come back once the season was over.

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01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 16: And so now my son, he's going into seventh grade,

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Speaker 16: he's he got accepted as Avarian brother. So you know,

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01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:07,639
Speaker 16: those are all things that you have to take into account,

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Speaker 16: Like I want to watch him play football at of course.

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Speaker 4: He's watched me played for a long time. So maybe

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Speaker 4: it's times, you know, for.

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Speaker 8: A role reverse when you have when you came out

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01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 8: of Michigan State, I mean, you didn't get drafted, yep,

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Speaker 8: And I don't know what your expectations were heading in,

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01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:26,760
Speaker 8: but to then have what a fifteen year career off

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Speaker 8: of that, what were your expectations sort of when you

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01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:31,840
Speaker 8: arrived here in two thousand and nine, what were you

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Speaker 8: nolping for.

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Speaker 16: I was just talking about this with my son the

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01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:36,919
Speaker 16: other day, and I said, listen, when I didn't get drafted,

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Speaker 16: you know, I kind of thought, Okay, the Patriots are

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Speaker 16: going to sign me.

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Speaker 4: I'll learn from Tom Brady.

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Speaker 16: Obviously, I grew up I watched Bill coach in Cleveland,

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Speaker 16: so I always kind of had an affinity to him,

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Speaker 16: and obviously him being a great coach, I thought it

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01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:51,960
Speaker 16: was a great opportunity to go learn. And I thought,

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Speaker 16: you know, maybe i'll make the practice squad if I

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Speaker 16: get released. At least I'll learn from these guys. And

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01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 16: then sure enough, I kind of worked my way up

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Speaker 16: the ranks and then it be and Tom's backup my

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01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 16: rookie year. And you know, the things that I learned

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Speaker 16: in those first four years were so invaluable to me

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01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:10,000
Speaker 16: that when I finally got some opportunities to play, you know,

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Speaker 16: you put those in motion and then you just keep

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01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:14,800
Speaker 16: stack in years, stack in years, and and you know,

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Speaker 16: the thing about the quarterback position is if you're relatively

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Speaker 16: competent and you're a good guy, and you make some connections,

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Speaker 16: you know, you just extend your career, extend your career.

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Speaker 16: That's I mean, when I look at last year, if

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Speaker 16: if Josh isn't the head coach in Las Vegas last year,

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Speaker 16: then you know, maybe my my my career ends there.

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Speaker 16: But you know, luckily for me, I've met a lot

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Speaker 16: of great coaches, played with a lot of great players,

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Speaker 16: and made a lot of great connections which allowed me.

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Speaker 7: To do that.

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Speaker 15: That's a little bit unorthodox Brian as a rookie. Now

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Speaker 15: you're backing up Brady, who's, by the way, is coming

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Speaker 15: off a knee surgery at that point in time, and

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Speaker 15: you're the only backup quarterback your rookie year. That was

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01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 15: the same way in twenty ten, you're the only backup court. Like,

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01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 15: not a lot of teams did that.

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Speaker 3: Well, how did that?

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Speaker 15: What was your thought process in that? Like you want

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01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 15: to talk about literally next man up and you're one

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01:20:58,040 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 15: pitch away. Yeah, you're one pitch away at that.

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Speaker 4: I think I was too naive to even understand that

1847
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:02,840
Speaker 4: at that point.

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Speaker 16: You know, now looking back, when you realize, like Tom's

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01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:08,560
Speaker 16: coming off of major knee reconstruction, had you know, some

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01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:12,640
Speaker 16: hiccups along the way. Man, if I had had to

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01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 16: play that year, I don't know how ready I would

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01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:16,880
Speaker 16: have been. Obviously Bill believed in me, and Bill O'Brien

1853
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 16: believed to me, and and so I'm sure it would have,

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01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 16: you know, worked itself out. We had a really good team,

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01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 16: So I think I would have relied on those guys

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01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:27,000
Speaker 16: around me. But you know, at that point, you're just

1857
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 16: I was just thrilled to be an NFL football player

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01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:32,080
Speaker 16: and now I'm going to a meeting room every day

1859
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:34,640
Speaker 16: with Tom Brady and soaking up what I can I

1860
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:36,599
Speaker 16: can learn from him. And then you know, that went

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01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 16: for four years and then until I got released in

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Speaker 16: twenty twelve. So I mean those years, like you know,

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01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 16: those are kind of like, you know, the years you're

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01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:47,000
Speaker 16: building your foundation of your career, and I couldn't have

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Speaker 16: done it in a better place.

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Speaker 8: So I wanted to ask you a little bit about

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Speaker 8: that rookie season. You were part of some really good teams,

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01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:55,960
Speaker 8: and you know, ultimately you were part of a champion

1869
01:21:56,600 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 8: in eighteen, but you know, you had that great year

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Speaker 8: in two thousand and twenty eleven, You go to the

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Speaker 8: super Bowl in two thousand and nine. You probably didn't

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Speaker 8: recognize it at the time. It's your rookie year, but

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Speaker 8: do you kind of look back and say, there was

1874
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Speaker 8: a little bit of something amiss in two thousand and nine.

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Speaker 8: That's sort of the way it's kind of viewed here.

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Speaker 8: That was kind of a reset year, and we're very

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Speaker 8: spoiled because we've been brought up a.

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01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:19,680
Speaker 4: Lot like when I didn't know any better.

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Speaker 8: So ten is going to the playoffs and all that

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01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 8: stuff is not I thought it was great.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, man, I'm a great but did you did

1882
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 4: you see did.

1883
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:28,599
Speaker 8: You sense any like sort of dysfunction at the time,

1884
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:30,840
Speaker 8: or you know, maybe looking back at it, do you

1885
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 8: feel like that wasn't the same as some of the

1886
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Speaker 8: better teams that you were on.

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Speaker 16: Definitely wasn't the same. I think looking back now, knowing

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Speaker 16: what I know and being on some great teams, it wasn't.

1889
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:42,719
Speaker 16: There was definitely some learning curve, there was some adjusting

1890
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:44,599
Speaker 16: to new I mean, that was Bill O'Brien's first year

1891
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:46,560
Speaker 16: as a coordinator here, you know, so now I know

1892
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:48,920
Speaker 16: how important that is, you know, being a quarterback when

1893
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 16: you're learning, even if you're keeping somewhat of the system intact,

1894
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 16: you're working with someone new, and and that was you know,

1895
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 16: so those were kind of I guess you call growing pains.

1896
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 16: But I thought, like, man, we're going to the playoffs,

1897
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:00,600
Speaker 16: like we're this is I'm on the page. This is

1898
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:04,640
Speaker 16: like a super Bowl organization. Like Okay, one year, you know,

1899
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:06,599
Speaker 16: we didn't win the Super Bowl, and I'm like, oh,

1900
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:07,880
Speaker 16: we'll win it next year. I mean, I think that

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01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 16: that's kind of the expectation you have when you come

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01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 16: into that organization. And I've always said this, I've always

1903
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 16: looked at it. When Tom Brady was the quarterback, I

1904
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 16: never went into a game thinking we're not going to win. Ever,

1905
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:21,920
Speaker 16: there was never and I well, I've been on other

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01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 16: teams whether I was the quarterback or someone else is

1907
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 16: the quarterback, and I'm like, man, I don't know how

1908
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 16: much a chance we have this Sunday. And I can

1909
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 16: honestly say every game that I ever played here backing

1910
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 16: Tom up that there was I never had that feeling,

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01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 16: and obviously a lot of other players around that. But

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01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:38,120
Speaker 16: you know, when I talk with a lot of my

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01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 16: old teammates, I think that that feeling was very you know, similar.

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Speaker 17: When someone accidentally threw away the school play costumes, no

1915
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 17: replacements were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of delivery,

1916
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 17: everyone could focus on the perfect opening night FedEx. Where

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Speaker 17: now it's next for residential delivery only.

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Speaker 12: And now moments in.

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Speaker 3: History.

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Speaker 8: I don't know.

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01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:06,760
Speaker 6: I know it's I know it could easily go the

1922
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 6: other way and they could be in the super Bowl

1923
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:09,880
Speaker 6: next year. Nobody would be that shocked.

1924
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 8: But I just it's not.

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01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:13,720
Speaker 6: I feel like it's being like they are a top

1926
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:15,800
Speaker 6: ten team in power rankings and all this stuff, and

1927
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Speaker 6: it's it's being talked about like it's like guaranteed that

1928
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 6: that's gonna work.

1929
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Speaker 3: Thinking about like Brice Hall being back, you know, like.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that doesn't move the needle for me.

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01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:24,439
Speaker 5: Well who's who's who?

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Speaker 8: But I agree, I agree with what you're saying. I'm

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Speaker 8: just saying I don't.

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Speaker 5: Who would you pick them in Miami? Just take Patriots

1935
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 5: out of this, take back Patriots and Bills out of

1936
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 5: the situation. Who do you think is the better team

1937
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Speaker 5: between the.

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Speaker 8: Jets of Aaron and Jets Jets? I think Miami. What

1939
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:42,559
Speaker 8: I think Miami based on what their talent and the Jets. Now,

1940
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 8: now if you're asking me who I'm going to invest in,

1941
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:47,599
Speaker 8: I think there's a better chance that Aaron Rodgers play

1942
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:50,760
Speaker 8: seventeen games than two. Yeah, that's a big one, right,

1943
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Speaker 8: But if I think at full strength, I think Miami's better. Yeah,

1944
01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:57,720
Speaker 8: that's okay, you don't have to agree. He's like he's

1945
01:24:57,760 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 8: disgusted that when you do that, he like turned your

1946
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 8: the way, like that's another great moment.

1947
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Speaker 3: We're back. Excuse me. That was Fields from ESPN. Thank

1948
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Speaker 3: you for joining us on the WebEx Cisco hotline. I

1949
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 3: guess link, Yeah, hot link anyway. Yeah, we use that

1950
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 3: for during the draft Elliott and we had Cam Williams

1951
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 3: and Matt grow on that. So it's a good little

1952
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Speaker 3: addition here from the temperature tests from the National Pundits. Yeah,

1953
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Speaker 3: web radio at Patriots dot com is the email address

1954
01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 3: eight five five past five hundred is the ACE ticket houtline.

1955
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:49,880
Speaker 3: Let's get right to the phones. Uh, Dylan's in South Florida.

1956
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 3: What's up, Dylan, Dylan?

1957
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 5: Maybe it's dial in?

1958
01:25:56,200 --> 01:26:02,519
Speaker 3: All right, dial in Dylan Jackson in Alabama? What's up Jackson?

1959
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Speaker 12: What's up?

1960
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Speaker 3: Guys? How are y'all good? Hey?

1961
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:12,080
Speaker 18: I love that Phillyates interview man. Always respected Field ever

1962
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:13,559
Speaker 18: since you've been covering the Patriots.

1963
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:15,720
Speaker 3: He works hard.

1964
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:18,760
Speaker 18: They also did I agree with Evan with the Joe

1965
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Speaker 18: Milton situation, and uh, just just kind of wondering what

1966
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Speaker 18: you guys think, uh, in terms of who's gonna be

1967
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:29,240
Speaker 18: gotting Drake may through this process?

1968
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Speaker 3: Yeah, is it gonna be a VP?

1969
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:32,000
Speaker 5: Yep?

1970
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Speaker 3: I think for the most part, but I think, you know,

1971
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 3: I think mcadoo's gonna help, and yeah, McCartney's gonna take

1972
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:40,599
Speaker 3: up Jacoby Jacob yeah.

1973
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I do. Okay, I'm ahead.

1974
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Speaker 18: I'm good with Jacoby Brissette going into it with him.

1975
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Speaker 18: I'm good with that. I guess I'm not just I'm

1976
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:54,800
Speaker 18: not sold on the a VP situation. Uh, I would

1977
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:56,479
Speaker 18: like to get your guys opinion. I'll take it off

1978
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Speaker 18: the air.

1979
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Speaker 3: I love you guys, Thank thanks, Jackson, appreciate it.

1980
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know about I think I'm less sold

1981
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:04,599
Speaker 6: about a VP the play caller than I am ABE

1982
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:07,640
Speaker 6: the quarterbacks coach. I mean, this guy played quarterback in

1983
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Speaker 6: the league and has been coaching quarterbacks for like twenty years.

1984
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:14,400
Speaker 6: And you know, I'm not I understand that they're not

1985
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:17,519
Speaker 6: all hits. No one has straight hits all the time,

1986
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 6: but you know, he's worked with some really good quarterbacks

1987
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:22,560
Speaker 6: and guys that he's helped I think. I mean, I

1988
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:25,720
Speaker 6: remember in Green Bay when he got let go of

1989
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 6: Aaron Rodgers was not happy about it. You know, Aaron

1990
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:31,040
Speaker 6: Rodgers really went it went to bad for him publicly.

1991
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 6: And yeah, and you know there's a lot of things

1992
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:41,320
Speaker 6: about especially like the way their footwork and their their

1993
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:43,640
Speaker 6: fakes on play actions and stuff like that that he

1994
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:46,839
Speaker 6: coaches that kind of hide the ball and he coaches

1995
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:48,720
Speaker 6: to you know, keep it here and then use your

1996
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:51,760
Speaker 6: your other hand and that kind of sells the fake

1997
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:54,200
Speaker 6: to the defeni Little things like that that I feel

1998
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:56,280
Speaker 6: like I can say, oh, you know, he's there's some

1999
01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:56,720
Speaker 6: new ones.

2000
01:27:56,760 --> 01:28:00,320
Speaker 3: Here's the thing. Who who on the team will be

2001
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:03,719
Speaker 3: able to say, other than obviously his performance in the field,

2002
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:05,280
Speaker 3: but who on the team will be able to say

2003
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:07,760
Speaker 3: a VP is doing a good job with him. Ben

2004
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 3: mcadoo's like, because Gerard's a defensive crime, you know, and

2005
01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:13,439
Speaker 3: he didn't like it's hard to tell individually. Will he'd

2006
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:16,639
Speaker 3: be able to know, yeah, he's doing right by Drake Mill.

2007
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:18,120
Speaker 5: Again, I mean I think it just looks the comfort

2008
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:20,600
Speaker 5: in the offense, and especially with the quick reads and

2009
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:22,519
Speaker 5: you know, seeing what's open and you know it's not.

2010
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:25,639
Speaker 3: Yah, Don Tuck and Bryan.

2011
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:28,040
Speaker 8: Just like he's going to come in at a baseline

2012
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:32,280
Speaker 8: of ability. Does that gradually go up? Remember Bill used

2013
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:34,680
Speaker 8: to say they come in here and then once they

2014
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 8: stop ascending is when you have to cut ties. So

2015
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:41,720
Speaker 8: those little things, you know, we talk about all the cliches,

2016
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:44,759
Speaker 8: the footwork, the accuracy. If that looks like it's improving,

2017
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:48,160
Speaker 8: I would credit whoever's working directly with him. Yeah, I

2018
01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:51,439
Speaker 8: will say this about Alex mann Pelt. I've talked to

2019
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:53,879
Speaker 8: a couple of guys that are not with the team anymore.

2020
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:58,720
Speaker 8: Brian Hoyer very briefly drew bled, like these guys rave

2021
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:03,559
Speaker 8: about him the person Alex Repelt the person now Hoyer

2022
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:05,400
Speaker 8: played for him a little bit, so he had some

2023
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:08,840
Speaker 8: some of that. But I don't find anybody that has

2024
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:10,800
Speaker 8: anything bad to say about Alex van Pelt.

2025
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:13,519
Speaker 5: No, I would say too, like it's I don't know

2026
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:15,680
Speaker 5: how much credit to give him for last year with

2027
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:17,599
Speaker 5: the Browns because we talked about it on the show

2028
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:19,560
Speaker 5: and we never you know, it was always kind of Stefanski.

2029
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:21,360
Speaker 5: But you know, the job that they did last year,

2030
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:23,320
Speaker 5: what four quarterbacks? Is that what they played?

2031
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:27,479
Speaker 8: I mean the credit blame thing, you know, it's like,

2032
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Speaker 8: I give them a lot of credit for patching it

2033
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Speaker 8: together and finding ways to stay relevant without a quarterback.

2034
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Speaker 8: But he lost his job because he couldn't do anything

2035
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Speaker 8: with the quarterback that we were supposed to do, because

2036
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:41,720
Speaker 8: he insisted on doing his offense rather than one that

2037
01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:45,960
Speaker 8: suited to Shaun Watson. So I give him credit and

2038
01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:48,920
Speaker 8: blame at the same time. It's incredible that they were

2039
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 8: able to win games with dtr off the couch Joe

2040
01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:56,880
Speaker 8: Flaco like that. That's I don't care what you say.

2041
01:29:57,040 --> 01:29:59,360
Speaker 8: That's PJ Walker. I think won a game for him

2042
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Speaker 8: last year. I mean, these are guys that really aren't NFL.

2043
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:04,439
Speaker 8: That's really hard to do.

2044
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:06,200
Speaker 5: Just like I could never name off.

2045
01:30:06,240 --> 01:30:09,480
Speaker 6: Why why are you insulting PJ Walker like they actually.

2046
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Speaker 8: They actually started the fifth I think Jeff might have

2047
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:16,080
Speaker 8: started the last, but they didn't win. Yeah right, yeah, yeah,

2048
01:30:16,120 --> 01:30:21,720
Speaker 8: but p J Walker's they're scoffing ATFL.

2049
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:24,800
Speaker 10: You said five quarterbacks to play for the Browns last year, go,

2050
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:27,360
Speaker 10: I would have been like, uh, it's funny.

2051
01:30:27,479 --> 01:30:30,200
Speaker 6: It's funny because their room is besides the John Watson,

2052
01:30:30,240 --> 01:30:33,000
Speaker 6: who I wish was not in the league, you have

2053
01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:36,200
Speaker 6: PJ Walker and dt R, who are two guys I love.

2054
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:38,640
Speaker 6: I love both those guys in that. But yeah, I

2055
01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:41,400
Speaker 6: think with the Browns it's all the macro level stuff

2056
01:30:41,400 --> 01:30:44,400
Speaker 6: with a VP like play calling design, Like how much

2057
01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:47,920
Speaker 6: of that Wastfanski was the one calling plays. I'm not

2058
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 6: so worried about him coaching the positions, like I think

2059
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:52,920
Speaker 6: that that's what he's been doing for the last thirty

2060
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:56,280
Speaker 6: years of his NFL career. I'm more worried about, you know,

2061
01:30:57,080 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 6: game plan, like, are they going to be a step

2062
01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:01,559
Speaker 6: ahead on the game plan? Are they going to how

2063
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:03,880
Speaker 6: he calls plays and sequences plays together, you know, that

2064
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:07,639
Speaker 6: kind of stuff, because he hasn't done it before without Stefanski.

2065
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 3: Uh Tyler and Providence writes in I'm just curious your

2066
01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:13,479
Speaker 3: thoughts on which team benefited the most from Jade and

2067
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:17,080
Speaker 3: daniels ascension this past year. Was it Washington being able

2068
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:19,280
Speaker 3: to draft him, the Patriots still being able to draft

2069
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:22,080
Speaker 3: the blue chip quarterback even from the third spot, or

2070
01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:25,200
Speaker 3: Arizona all but guaranteeing that they'd be able to draft

2071
01:31:25,240 --> 01:31:27,919
Speaker 3: the consensus top ranked non quarterback Patriots.

2072
01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:31,280
Speaker 8: A fantastic question, Patriots. I think the Patriots as well,

2073
01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:33,080
Speaker 8: aren't you contractually I'll be good to say that, No,

2074
01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:34,040
Speaker 8: I learned that way.

2075
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:38,200
Speaker 5: I do think that, you know, and I think you

2076
01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:40,240
Speaker 5: know we talked. Yes, feel a little bit about that.

2077
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:42,600
Speaker 5: I mean, I do think that there's a maybe a

2078
01:31:42,680 --> 01:31:45,559
Speaker 5: little bit closer to readiness you would hope with Jayden Daniels,

2079
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:48,160
Speaker 5: and clearly Washington kind of feels like they're not really

2080
01:31:48,240 --> 01:31:51,360
Speaker 5: all that far off. So you know, maybe that influenced things,

2081
01:31:51,439 --> 01:31:53,400
Speaker 5: but for where the Patriots are right now, and they,

2082
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:56,240
Speaker 5: you know, are probably at ground zero of an offensive rebuild.

2083
01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:58,240
Speaker 5: Twenty one year old kid with not a lot of

2084
01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:00,800
Speaker 5: mileage on him, that that's what I want to.

2085
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:03,599
Speaker 8: Fis all snark aside. I think the answer is the Patriots,

2086
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:06,280
Speaker 8: and it's because two things. Number One, I like Drake

2087
01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:09,120
Speaker 8: May more than Jayden and Daniels. I've made no bones

2088
01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:11,639
Speaker 8: about that from the start of the process. But also

2089
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:15,920
Speaker 8: the part that the emailer says it allowed the Patriots

2090
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:18,519
Speaker 8: to get one of the three quarterbacks, right exactly. So

2091
01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:21,000
Speaker 8: if it was just even if it take Jaydon Daniels

2092
01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:23,240
Speaker 8: out of it and then Washington takes Drake May, the

2093
01:32:23,320 --> 01:32:26,960
Speaker 8: Patriots wouldn't have taken Jayden Daniels had he not exploded. Yeah,

2094
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:30,120
Speaker 8: so now you're stuck without a quarterback and it kind

2095
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:31,960
Speaker 8: of like the way it looked at the end of

2096
01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:35,680
Speaker 8: the season, you're picking three in a two quarterback draft. Well,

2097
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:38,120
Speaker 8: ultimately you ended up picking three in a three quarterback draft.

2098
01:32:38,200 --> 01:32:38,400
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2099
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:42,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, Denver, that's the best way to put it is

2100
01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:45,719
Speaker 6: that it became a three quarterback draft and you happened

2101
01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:47,960
Speaker 6: to be the one with the third overall pick. Most

2102
01:32:48,080 --> 01:32:50,720
Speaker 6: years you wouldn't have had a quarterback to take where

2103
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:52,760
Speaker 6: you would have been reaching, you know, significantly on.

2104
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:54,760
Speaker 8: And I know there were six ultimately in the top

2105
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:58,000
Speaker 8: twelve picks, but I don't think I think we can

2106
01:32:58,040 --> 01:33:02,200
Speaker 8: all agree we wouldn't have wanted to had to take Nick.

2107
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:05,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, I feel like, going off what Field Yates said earlier,

2108
01:33:05,479 --> 01:33:09,000
Speaker 7: like with those three there was no consolation prize, whereas

2109
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:11,400
Speaker 7: if you had to draft the fourth or fifth best one,

2110
01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:14,360
Speaker 7: it would have beens that right.

2111
01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 6: Well, it definitely seems like even those teams, I wouldn't

2112
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:20,600
Speaker 6: call them consolation prizes, but those teams seemed to have

2113
01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:24,160
Speaker 6: much lower grades on those quarterbacks and where they took

2114
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:27,799
Speaker 6: them but their quarterbacks, so they they had the quarterback

2115
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:30,760
Speaker 6: tax like bow Knicks. I saw some report that Denver

2116
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:33,519
Speaker 6: thought bo Nicks was like probably like a high end

2117
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:36,360
Speaker 6: second round pick on their board, but they took them

2118
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:40,920
Speaker 6: because of some crazy story about like his visit to

2119
01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:45,200
Speaker 6: UH to Denver. He had like a backpack with him

2120
01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:48,160
Speaker 6: and Sean Payton asked him, like what was in the backpack,

2121
01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:51,200
Speaker 6: and he it was all like football stuff. It was

2122
01:33:51,240 --> 01:33:53,880
Speaker 6: like cleats and tape and like all, and he was like,

2123
01:33:53,960 --> 01:33:55,880
Speaker 6: that's a football guy. So now I'm gonna take them

2124
01:33:55,880 --> 01:33:56,639
Speaker 6: twelve oor.

2125
01:33:59,400 --> 01:33:59,799
Speaker 3: Backpack.

2126
01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:05,120
Speaker 6: If someone shows up to a job in door, the explorer.

2127
01:34:04,840 --> 01:34:07,680
Speaker 7: The laptop, a binder, a pen of paper.

2128
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:09,880
Speaker 3: That's it, you got the job. Okay.

2129
01:34:10,120 --> 01:34:13,240
Speaker 10: So it was the most wild thing, like a microphone,

2130
01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:15,920
Speaker 10: one of those like halo lens because.

2131
01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:18,040
Speaker 8: Unbelievable story.

2132
01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:22,720
Speaker 19: I remember I probably old Frederick an apology earlier in

2133
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:25,479
Speaker 19: the show anyway, but now I really you an apology

2134
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:27,560
Speaker 19: because at least you just took a guy in the

2135
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:28,240
Speaker 19: sixth round.

2136
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:31,559
Speaker 8: He didn't worry about what was in his backpack dumbage.

2137
01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:36,519
Speaker 7: I really hope that this sugar, because that is excellent.

2138
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:39,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, it was like there was like three things amazing

2139
01:34:39,400 --> 01:34:40,200
Speaker 8: and it's so funny.

2140
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:42,800
Speaker 3: He probably said it. You see what the backpack right? Yeah,

2141
01:34:43,080 --> 01:34:47,519
Speaker 3: the way it work, I got a the way it

2142
01:34:47,720 --> 01:34:50,360
Speaker 3: was dried ice cream right here, just in case I

2143
01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:53,439
Speaker 3: get would have like a Jersey mics, you.

2144
01:34:53,479 --> 01:34:55,960
Speaker 8: Know, and just the whole shouting materials.

2145
01:34:56,120 --> 01:34:58,479
Speaker 6: The way it was written was like the paragraph, it

2146
01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:01,320
Speaker 6: was like a full paragraph of like, you know, he

2147
01:35:01,439 --> 01:35:03,479
Speaker 6: came in, this is what he had his backpack, and

2148
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:04,800
Speaker 6: then the next line is.

2149
01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:05,880
Speaker 8: Just like three words.

2150
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:09,479
Speaker 6: It's like it was all football in that period, Like

2151
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:11,320
Speaker 6: it was like, this is just a football Like it

2152
01:35:11,439 --> 01:35:13,880
Speaker 6: was just this amazing feat that all he had in

2153
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Speaker 6: his backpack were cleats and tape.

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01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:18,200
Speaker 7: After six years of playing college football.

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Speaker 3: I mean.

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01:35:20,479 --> 01:35:23,639
Speaker 8: A lot of football stuff. Got It was another rants

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01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:27,280
Speaker 8: with the Pennix thing. Have you noticed like there's a

2158
01:35:27,400 --> 01:35:30,960
Speaker 8: pushback like, oh this is brilliant you No, now, you're

2159
01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:33,240
Speaker 8: just like you just you go right into it. You know,

2160
01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:36,599
Speaker 8: you have two years of cousins right into this us.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, right, okay, oh yeah.

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01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:42,320
Speaker 6: He'll be thirty five when he gets which absolutely could happen.

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01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:44,760
Speaker 6: I'm not dismissing the possibility that could happen, but hey,

2164
01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:47,000
Speaker 6: why are we assuming it is going to happen that way?

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Speaker 6: Why is Penix got less of a chance more of

2166
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 6: a chance to hit than Daniels or may or whoever.

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01:35:54,080 --> 01:35:58,720
Speaker 8: McCarthy. He doesn't, right, It's, let's face it, we don't know.

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Speaker 8: So the other thing that I hear a lot, well,

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01:36:02,200 --> 01:36:04,920
Speaker 8: look at green Bay. If I have to hear the

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Speaker 8: look at green Bay argument one more time, forgetting the

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01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:11,160
Speaker 8: fact that Green Bay had a really good playoff team

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01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:14,519
Speaker 8: with Aaron Rodgers, so you didn't have to worry about it.

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01:36:15,920 --> 01:36:19,360
Speaker 8: I would argue, especially the last time when they drafted

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Speaker 8: Jordan Love, that that was a dumb pick. I don't

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01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:26,720
Speaker 8: care what Jordan Love is doing right now. They potentially

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01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:31,920
Speaker 8: sacrificed possible Super Bowls by not taking the talent to

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Speaker 8: help the team. And they were still Aaron Rodgers was

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01:36:35,240 --> 01:36:40,080
Speaker 8: the MVP believe wide receiver and you intentionally gave him

2179
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:44,599
Speaker 8: nothing to help that particular year. Was it twenty twenty,

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01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:46,240
Speaker 8: twenty twenty, right?

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01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:46,560
Speaker 11: That was?

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Speaker 3: He was the fourth That was the COVID year.

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Speaker 8: He was the fourth of the five really good quarterba

2184
01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:53,040
Speaker 8: were in the war room. That was a great quarterback class.

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01:36:54,439 --> 01:36:56,559
Speaker 3: Hey, hey, Frank, don't look at each other.

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01:36:57,160 --> 01:36:57,559
Speaker 6: Statute.

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01:36:58,000 --> 01:36:58,280
Speaker 3: I don't.

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01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:01,799
Speaker 8: I don't understand why we just sit there and praise

2189
01:37:02,640 --> 01:37:06,160
Speaker 8: a team that intentionally didn't maximize its window. They went

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01:37:06,200 --> 01:37:08,200
Speaker 8: out of their way not to be as good as

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01:37:08,240 --> 01:37:08,640
Speaker 8: they could be.

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01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:11,800
Speaker 6: The only excuse for the Falcons is that, and it's

2193
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:14,000
Speaker 6: not an excuse because this is bad on them for

2194
01:37:14,120 --> 01:37:16,679
Speaker 6: not recognized it is that Kirk Cousins' achilles is shot.

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01:37:17,439 --> 01:37:19,720
Speaker 6: And so now you know, now if there's something like

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Speaker 6: that they know, right, But I would say that the

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01:37:23,400 --> 01:37:25,960
Speaker 6: other thing that is so confusing is that you took

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Speaker 6: the oldest quarterback in the draft, So now you're gonna

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Speaker 6: sit him for two years. He's gonna be forty by

2200
01:37:30,760 --> 01:37:32,920
Speaker 6: the time he gets on the field. But if he's

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Speaker 6: take JJ McCarthy, who's twenty, if he goes like twelve.

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Speaker 8: And five this year and they get knocked out of

2203
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:39,639
Speaker 8: the division around, you're not gonna sit there and look

2204
01:37:39,680 --> 01:37:42,360
Speaker 8: and say, I couldn't know what we're a cornerback away

2205
01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:45,920
Speaker 8: or if we were an edge rushing away, you know,

2206
01:37:46,160 --> 01:37:48,040
Speaker 8: like that might have put us over the top.

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01:37:48,200 --> 01:37:50,120
Speaker 3: It's not I mean, they've got talent down there, but

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01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:50,720
Speaker 3: they're good.

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Speaker 8: No, but they're really good.

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01:37:52,280 --> 01:37:54,000
Speaker 3: That's my point. I think they could make a run.

2211
01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:56,320
Speaker 3: It's a terrible con I'm saying. It's not like they

2212
01:37:56,360 --> 01:37:57,960
Speaker 3: couldn't have used another good player.

2213
01:37:58,200 --> 01:38:01,559
Speaker 8: It's a really bad division. The itself is not overly deep,

2214
01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:04,240
Speaker 8: you know, it's San Francisco.

2215
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:06,400
Speaker 5: Except for the NFC North. Paul am I wrong.

2216
01:38:06,640 --> 01:38:08,840
Speaker 8: He just his pants off for the NFC North.

2217
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:10,320
Speaker 3: I love it. I love it.

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01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:21,519
Speaker 8: He did the Lions, Packers, the Lions, the Bear Lions,

2219
01:38:23,240 --> 01:38:26,320
Speaker 8: like I just I get that it's it's smart business

2220
01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:30,320
Speaker 8: to take quarterbacks and having a succession plan avoids the

2221
01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:33,080
Speaker 8: situation the Patriots were in. But at least when the

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01:38:33,160 --> 01:38:36,120
Speaker 8: pat but at least that the Patriots they were winning

2223
01:38:36,160 --> 01:38:39,479
Speaker 8: titles when they were ignoring the future. If I was

2224
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:41,800
Speaker 8: Green Bay, I would rather have won a title or

2225
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:45,080
Speaker 8: two in the twilight years of Aaron Rodgers' career than

2226
01:38:45,160 --> 01:38:47,760
Speaker 8: have the guy that's in place now. I would take

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01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:48,840
Speaker 8: that draw take that.

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01:38:49,400 --> 01:38:52,040
Speaker 6: I mean, it's exactly what the Patriots did in twenty eighteen.

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01:38:52,479 --> 01:38:52,679
Speaker 3: Point.

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Speaker 6: They could have drafted Lamar Jackson in twenty eighteen and

2231
01:38:55,439 --> 01:38:57,560
Speaker 6: he could have sat behind Brady for two years, But

2232
01:38:57,680 --> 01:39:00,680
Speaker 6: instead they drafted Sony Michelle, who ended up helping them

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01:39:00,720 --> 01:39:01,320
Speaker 6: win a Super Bowl.

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01:39:01,320 --> 01:39:01,680
Speaker 3: Helped them.

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Speaker 8: I'm not telling you they wouldn't have won without him,

2236
01:39:03,479 --> 01:39:04,080
Speaker 8: but he helped them.

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01:39:04,160 --> 01:39:07,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was part of it. Uh spiing Fresno. Did

2238
01:39:07,400 --> 01:39:10,040
Speaker 3: you guys see Josh Allen as an outlier in terms

2239
01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:13,439
Speaker 3: of how he overcame his accuracy issues? I definitely did.

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Speaker 3: In his rookie year. I was sure his goose was cooked.

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Speaker 3: What are other examples of quarterbacks who similarly developed to

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01:39:20,240 --> 01:39:24,160
Speaker 3: overcome that level of inconsistency. Just wondering if we need

2243
01:39:24,240 --> 01:39:27,160
Speaker 3: to hope Drake may is a similar kind of freak outlier,

2244
01:39:27,640 --> 01:39:30,000
Speaker 3: or if instead it's a realistic code for him to

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01:39:30,120 --> 01:39:31,719
Speaker 3: overcome his technical issue.

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01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:32,840
Speaker 8: Well, two things.

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Speaker 6: What, he's a more accurate quarterback coming in than Josh

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Speaker 6: Allen was. Josh Allen completed like fifty eight percent of

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01:39:38,360 --> 01:39:40,160
Speaker 6: his passes in his last year. I went to it's

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Speaker 6: a really low level of company. Yeah, I mean, he's

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Speaker 6: definitely more accurate. But I'd also say if he hits

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01:39:46,160 --> 01:39:48,680
Speaker 6: on Josh Allen's level, he's an outlier, no matter how

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01:39:48,720 --> 01:39:51,719
Speaker 6: he got there. Like, the bottom line is that hitting

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01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:54,679
Speaker 6: at the quarterback position is an outlier. Like it's more

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Speaker 6: times than not the guys fail than succeed.

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Speaker 8: I don't know that there are a ton of quarterbacks

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01:39:59,080 --> 01:40:01,880
Speaker 8: that come into the league with accuracy as being a

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01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:06,320
Speaker 8: main weakness. So to answer his point, I don't know

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01:40:06,360 --> 01:40:10,120
Speaker 8: if there are more guys than Josh Allen. I think,

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Speaker 8: I think, and he did.

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Speaker 6: He was accurate, though Lamar was an inaccurate He just

2262
01:40:17,479 --> 01:40:20,200
Speaker 6: his mechanics were not exactly where they needed.

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Speaker 8: To be and he can't throw it to the receiver

2264
01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:25,280
Speaker 8: here's a guy who had some mechanical flaws and he

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01:40:25,400 --> 01:40:28,920
Speaker 8: overcame them. Yeah. No, I have Josh vouching me. Josh

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Speaker 8: Allen's rookie year.

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Speaker 3: I was all in.

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01:40:30,560 --> 01:40:31,920
Speaker 8: I was like, whoa did you see that throw?

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01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:35,040
Speaker 6: Josh Allen was a little bit more wild. He was

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01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:36,720
Speaker 6: a little bit more wild than Drake Maker.

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Speaker 3: James Pettigrew, the most interesting Patriots fan of the world,

2272
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:42,439
Speaker 3: says I can't believe the negativity over the draft and

2273
01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:44,800
Speaker 3: was disappointed you guys felt the need to defend what

2274
01:40:44,920 --> 01:40:48,400
Speaker 3: is playing to anyone, a good draft that has awesome potential.

2275
01:40:48,720 --> 01:40:50,840
Speaker 3: Having been in studio with you guys for a draft

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01:40:50,920 --> 01:40:54,439
Speaker 3: show and witnessing the Razie Dowling pick, anyone who says

2277
01:40:54,520 --> 01:40:57,400
Speaker 3: nothing has changed or nothing to be excited about is nuts.

2278
01:40:57,800 --> 01:41:00,559
Speaker 3: I was a maniac before the draft, and I'm very excited.

2279
01:41:02,240 --> 01:41:05,640
Speaker 5: Usually we were defending, we were trying to defend that

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01:41:05,720 --> 01:41:07,920
Speaker 5: it wasn't a bad I don't know. I mean, I think,

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01:41:08,200 --> 01:41:11,200
Speaker 5: I mean, everybody think. Everybody thinks it's pretty good. I mean,

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01:41:11,240 --> 01:41:14,240
Speaker 5: there any draft is like, yeah, we'll see I mean that.

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01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:17,120
Speaker 3: I just to me, I don't know if any of

2284
01:41:17,200 --> 01:41:19,439
Speaker 3: these guys are gonna work out. To me, it was

2285
01:41:19,560 --> 01:41:22,920
Speaker 3: just like I said at the beginning, they needed three.

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01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:25,519
Speaker 3: They had three glaring needs and whether or not the

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01:41:25,560 --> 01:41:28,600
Speaker 3: guys will fill those needs. They picked guys try to

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01:41:28,720 --> 01:41:31,960
Speaker 3: help fill those needs, and that's rare. We've never really

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01:41:32,040 --> 01:41:34,720
Speaker 3: done that before. Unless we were wrong about what the

2290
01:41:34,840 --> 01:41:36,360
Speaker 3: needs were. We never were right.

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Speaker 5: That's what's hard for me with some of these draft

2292
01:41:38,200 --> 01:41:40,240
Speaker 5: grades where it was like, well, what would it have

2293
01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:42,120
Speaker 5: been then if they had gone and taken like an

2294
01:41:42,240 --> 01:41:43,840
Speaker 5: edge defender, Like what would you have said?

2295
01:41:43,880 --> 01:41:44,040
Speaker 3: Then?

2296
01:41:44,360 --> 01:41:46,680
Speaker 5: You know, what are these people willing to be? Like, well,

2297
01:41:46,720 --> 01:41:48,439
Speaker 5: it was a great edge defender. And I love this

2298
01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:50,320
Speaker 5: move even though it wasn't a need.

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Speaker 8: You know, I feel like the difference in Again, we

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01:41:52,920 --> 01:41:54,880
Speaker 8: don't know because we don't have the boards and stuff,

2301
01:41:54,920 --> 01:41:57,280
Speaker 8: but I feel like Bill probably would have gotten to

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01:41:57,360 --> 01:42:00,160
Speaker 8: some of these picks and said, I know we need

2303
01:42:00,200 --> 01:42:02,320
Speaker 8: a wide receiver, but I don't have this wide receiver

2304
01:42:02,439 --> 01:42:05,160
Speaker 8: ranked high enough to take him here. And he would

2305
01:42:05,160 --> 01:42:07,439
Speaker 8: have moved down Cooper, do you know what I'm saying?

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01:42:07,720 --> 01:42:10,600
Speaker 3: Or there's a defensive tackle that I love, but let's go.

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01:42:10,760 --> 01:42:13,280
Speaker 8: He would have stuck closer to his board. Yeah, And

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01:42:13,680 --> 01:42:15,920
Speaker 8: I don't know that maybe the Patriots did too. This

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01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:17,880
Speaker 8: is why I said, we don't know. Yeah, for all

2310
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:20,519
Speaker 8: I know, Elliott Wolf had Jalen Polk thirty seventh on

2311
01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:20,960
Speaker 8: his board.

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01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:22,760
Speaker 3: He took him.

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01:42:23,160 --> 01:42:24,600
Speaker 8: You know, I don't know what his board looked like.

2314
01:42:24,680 --> 01:42:29,559
Speaker 8: But my guess is Fred's right. It's hard to imagine

2315
01:42:29,680 --> 01:42:33,880
Speaker 8: quarterback wide receiver tackle, Bill going quarterback wide receiver tackle.

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01:42:34,240 --> 01:42:35,360
Speaker 3: It just never happened.

2317
01:42:35,560 --> 01:42:38,040
Speaker 6: I just feel like Bill, outside of the like left

2318
01:42:38,040 --> 01:42:40,679
Speaker 6: field picks that we all know, I feel like outside

2319
01:42:40,680 --> 01:42:43,000
Speaker 6: of the first round. He was always thinking a year

2320
01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:46,000
Speaker 6: ahead with the draft. He always felt like, that's what

2321
01:42:46,160 --> 01:42:48,240
Speaker 6: the draft is all about. That free agency is about

2322
01:42:48,240 --> 01:42:51,439
Speaker 6: plugging your immediate holes. The draft is about we have

2323
01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:54,799
Speaker 6: all these we have all these free agents on defense

2324
01:42:55,000 --> 01:42:57,479
Speaker 6: next year that Deuce was talking about earlier. So I'm

2325
01:42:57,479 --> 01:42:59,800
Speaker 6: gonna draft the defensive tackle. I'm gonna draft this. I'm

2326
01:42:59,800 --> 01:43:01,960
Speaker 6: gonna draft that because I have to draft a edge

2327
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:04,120
Speaker 6: rusher because Matthew Judon's a free agent and we're not

2328
01:43:04,160 --> 01:43:06,160
Speaker 6: gonna pay him, you know, and that sort of thing.

2329
01:43:06,200 --> 01:43:08,920
Speaker 6: Whereas this draft for the Patriots was a needs based

2330
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:12,360
Speaker 6: drafty they attacked the most glaring needs on the team

2331
01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:14,160
Speaker 6: and I don't know if Bill would have done it

2332
01:43:14,240 --> 01:43:14,519
Speaker 6: that way.

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01:43:14,720 --> 01:43:18,479
Speaker 3: And you know, again during Brady, you can do it

2334
01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:21,599
Speaker 3: that way. But you know, as Patriots fans, we get

2335
01:43:21,680 --> 01:43:24,200
Speaker 3: frustrated when we see other teams draft rookies and these

2336
01:43:24,240 --> 01:43:26,040
Speaker 3: guys are good right out of the gate, and like, well,

2337
01:43:26,040 --> 01:43:28,280
Speaker 3: why can't we get guys like that? You know, And

2338
01:43:28,360 --> 01:43:30,240
Speaker 3: I think we did with Gonzales, he got hurt.

2339
01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:32,280
Speaker 5: But I think I think to to to expand upon

2340
01:43:32,320 --> 01:43:33,960
Speaker 5: Evan's point is that even when he did take some

2341
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:36,200
Speaker 5: of those rookies, they didn't it was hard for a lot.

2342
01:43:36,120 --> 01:43:37,200
Speaker 3: Of them to get on the field.

2343
01:43:37,400 --> 01:43:39,360
Speaker 5: And they get on the field and they're right back

2344
01:43:39,400 --> 01:43:41,160
Speaker 5: off the field because of a mistake or something.

2345
01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:44,680
Speaker 8: To finally see when they had a couple of years of.

2346
01:43:45,080 --> 01:43:47,040
Speaker 5: Right and then they're getting ready to free agency and.

2347
01:43:47,400 --> 01:43:49,400
Speaker 8: We got a draft that But I mean, like last year,

2348
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:51,679
Speaker 8: there was no like, oh it's hard to see Gonzo

2349
01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:53,559
Speaker 8: out there. No, it's like day one training camp.

2350
01:43:54,560 --> 01:43:58,920
Speaker 3: But I think, you know, credit to Bill, like he

2351
01:43:59,080 --> 01:44:03,200
Speaker 3: really ran this thing like football university, and it was

2352
01:44:03,479 --> 01:44:06,519
Speaker 3: and Billy, he seems this is a hard place to play.

2353
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:08,800
Speaker 3: And if it's a hard place to play, it's a

2354
01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:12,760
Speaker 3: hard place to break into for a rookie. You I mean,

2355
01:44:12,880 --> 01:44:15,680
Speaker 3: you have to have a certain mentality, and I think

2356
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:17,880
Speaker 3: it took a little time for most rookies to get

2357
01:44:17,960 --> 01:44:20,479
Speaker 3: it here. And you know, either they did or they didn't.

2358
01:44:21,640 --> 01:44:24,120
Speaker 3: And that contributed to guys just not seeing the field

2359
01:44:24,200 --> 01:44:26,400
Speaker 3: right away, and Bill knowing that and saying, you know,

2360
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:29,160
Speaker 3: I got to get a guy assimilated. He's not going

2361
01:44:29,240 --> 01:44:31,000
Speaker 3: to hit the field, So I do need to think

2362
01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:31,799
Speaker 3: a year in advance.

2363
01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:33,720
Speaker 8: But the funny part of that to me is it

2364
01:44:33,800 --> 01:44:37,080
Speaker 8: seemed like they had the most success as a team

2365
01:44:37,160 --> 01:44:39,280
Speaker 8: when they were doing you know, when Richard Seymour and

2366
01:44:39,280 --> 01:44:41,720
Speaker 8: Matt Light were starting week one. Yeah, you know, when

2367
01:44:42,520 --> 01:44:45,200
Speaker 8: Orgine Wilson and Santi Sami were playing key roles in

2368
01:44:45,360 --> 01:44:51,000
Speaker 8: year one starting you know, forget about Maccody, Gronk Carnandez.

2369
01:44:51,120 --> 01:44:53,360
Speaker 8: That was a huge part of the team's success.

2370
01:44:53,680 --> 01:44:56,840
Speaker 5: Chandler Jones and Dante high Tower scoring a touchdown.

2371
01:44:56,560 --> 01:44:57,400
Speaker 3: Right the first game.

2372
01:44:57,560 --> 01:44:59,479
Speaker 8: I felt like when they were at their best, these

2373
01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:02,599
Speaker 8: guys were playing right away Finnish sort of you're right,

2374
01:45:02,680 --> 01:45:04,680
Speaker 8: got away from that, but and they were also check

2375
01:45:05,560 --> 01:45:07,679
Speaker 8: with the rookies not as good. Yeah, they're not hitting

2376
01:45:07,720 --> 01:45:08,839
Speaker 8: it as many draft picks.

2377
01:45:08,760 --> 01:45:11,040
Speaker 3: Or but I think it was a hard place to play,

2378
01:45:11,200 --> 01:45:11,720
Speaker 3: oh for sure.

2379
01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:14,040
Speaker 6: But I think they were great for a long period

2380
01:45:14,120 --> 01:45:16,800
Speaker 6: of time of the year head thing, and he was

2381
01:45:16,840 --> 01:45:19,280
Speaker 6: always a year ahead, like he always had somebody in

2382
01:45:19,400 --> 01:45:23,439
Speaker 6: the pipeline for somebody retiring, somebody getting overpaid or whatever.

2383
01:45:24,040 --> 01:45:26,880
Speaker 6: And then towards the end, it just it they weren't

2384
01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:28,400
Speaker 6: a year head, and all of a sudden, it was

2385
01:45:28,439 --> 01:45:30,720
Speaker 6: like there was a million holes in the rowboat and

2386
01:45:30,760 --> 01:45:32,000
Speaker 6: they were kept on trying to fill.

2387
01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:34,920
Speaker 3: You know, that classic book The Rise and Fall of

2388
01:45:34,920 --> 01:45:36,639
Speaker 3: the Roman Empire wasn't just one thing.

2389
01:45:36,800 --> 01:45:38,439
Speaker 8: Are you thinking about that? It was all.

2390
01:45:40,439 --> 01:45:43,880
Speaker 5: The book about it is like this all that's all.

2391
01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:47,360
Speaker 3: It was like a million cuts. You know, the Brains river,

2392
01:45:47,880 --> 01:45:50,639
Speaker 3: you know, Ernie and Dante and all these people leaving,

2393
01:45:50,760 --> 01:45:53,760
Speaker 3: and you know it all contributed to.

2394
01:45:54,240 --> 01:45:56,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, and I've always reduced it down to

2395
01:45:56,640 --> 01:45:58,439
Speaker 5: and I mean, it's it's really tied heavily into what

2396
01:45:58,520 --> 01:46:00,720
Speaker 5: we're talking about. Where they had a good going where

2397
01:46:00,760 --> 01:46:02,920
Speaker 5: they were ahead of the game, and then they got

2398
01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:05,040
Speaker 5: behind the game. And I think some of the series

2399
01:46:05,120 --> 01:46:07,160
Speaker 5: of not just bad draft picks, but bad decisions on

2400
01:46:07,280 --> 01:46:09,240
Speaker 5: a lot of those draft picks too. You know, we

2401
01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:11,599
Speaker 5: talked about like Toney, if you just bit the bullet

2402
01:46:11,880 --> 01:46:14,320
Speaker 5: right locked tuney up for a while, then the cold

2403
01:46:14,360 --> 01:46:17,120
Speaker 5: strange thing, you know, all the like Michael Lomono pops up. Great,

2404
01:46:17,160 --> 01:46:19,760
Speaker 5: we got two guys now. But you know that that's

2405
01:46:19,840 --> 01:46:22,120
Speaker 5: where I point to, And I mean I would also say,

2406
01:46:22,680 --> 01:46:25,000
Speaker 5: I just I think that it started to get a

2407
01:46:25,040 --> 01:46:26,760
Speaker 5: little old for a lot of these guys. And I

2408
01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:29,320
Speaker 5: think as you lost the Brady's of the world, not

2409
01:46:29,520 --> 01:46:31,479
Speaker 5: just his amazing on field play, but the guys that

2410
01:46:31,560 --> 01:46:33,719
Speaker 5: were totally bought in that were here at four am

2411
01:46:33,880 --> 01:46:36,679
Speaker 5: to eight pm no problem, you know, as that stuff

2412
01:46:36,760 --> 01:46:38,479
Speaker 5: left and you had less and less leaders, and it's

2413
01:46:38,560 --> 01:46:40,519
Speaker 5: just kind of Matthew Slater and David Anderest being like,

2414
01:46:40,560 --> 01:46:42,640
Speaker 5: we got to work harder guys, and you know, they're like,

2415
01:46:42,760 --> 01:46:44,439
Speaker 5: but Bill's a jerk to me all the time, and

2416
01:46:44,479 --> 01:46:46,160
Speaker 5: I don't really want to play for him anymore, you know,

2417
01:46:46,280 --> 01:46:47,320
Speaker 5: like that' and.

2418
01:46:47,360 --> 01:46:49,040
Speaker 8: He's not going to pay me at the season. And

2419
01:46:49,080 --> 01:46:52,080
Speaker 8: then well, I think the economic part of it is

2420
01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:54,760
Speaker 8: might be the biggest difference, because I think Bill was

2421
01:46:54,800 --> 01:46:58,479
Speaker 8: always so conscious of that structure and then I don't

2422
01:46:58,479 --> 01:47:02,240
Speaker 8: think he really adjusted to the caps adjustment, and he

2423
01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:06,639
Speaker 8: sort of stuck to those philosophies, and so many guys

2424
01:47:06,760 --> 01:47:08,680
Speaker 8: didn't get because you know, back in the day, the

2425
01:47:08,760 --> 01:47:12,000
Speaker 8: guys that got second contracts kind of took less. You know,

2426
01:47:12,080 --> 01:47:14,720
Speaker 8: the Jarvis Greens winning championship. You know, they were really

2427
01:47:14,760 --> 01:47:18,120
Speaker 8: good players. They got you know, more contracts, but they

2428
01:47:18,200 --> 01:47:21,240
Speaker 8: didn't like break the bank. And all of a sudden,

2429
01:47:21,320 --> 01:47:24,040
Speaker 8: like guys like Trey Flowers are coming up and they're

2430
01:47:24,040 --> 01:47:28,479
Speaker 8: getting good contracts because the cap is exceedingly rising. Yeah,

2431
01:47:28,600 --> 01:47:30,280
Speaker 8: and he was like, well, I can't give that guy.

2432
01:47:30,640 --> 01:47:32,519
Speaker 8: But but Bill, that's what those guys make now.

2433
01:47:32,680 --> 01:47:36,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's so true. And at the offensive skill positions,

2434
01:47:36,280 --> 01:47:39,360
Speaker 6: especially like the Patriots were just not going to pay

2435
01:47:39,400 --> 01:47:42,040
Speaker 6: a receiver twenty five million dollars. But that's what the

2436
01:47:42,160 --> 01:47:44,960
Speaker 6: market dictates now that Calvin Ridley is worth twenty five

2437
01:47:45,040 --> 01:47:47,160
Speaker 6: million dollars. And if you're not going to pay that price,

2438
01:47:47,400 --> 01:47:49,040
Speaker 6: then you'll get Jacks Houston.

2439
01:47:49,160 --> 01:47:51,640
Speaker 8: Do you think that I would say, one, there's no

2440
01:47:51,680 --> 01:47:53,559
Speaker 8: way Bill would have given that contract offer.

2441
01:47:53,640 --> 01:47:56,640
Speaker 3: Think there's any truth to what your guys say, Paul Uh,

2442
01:47:57,920 --> 01:48:02,160
Speaker 3: Probably that no one could make more more than Bill, Like,

2443
01:48:03,240 --> 01:48:06,160
Speaker 3: remember they had that one. It started out as a conjecture.

2444
01:48:06,400 --> 01:48:08,439
Speaker 8: By the end of the show it was fact, that's

2445
01:48:08,479 --> 01:48:12,720
Speaker 8: the established it's never been. That's tenant number one, throw

2446
01:48:12,840 --> 01:48:14,880
Speaker 8: something at the wall. By the end of the show,

2447
01:48:14,920 --> 01:48:17,160
Speaker 8: it's fact. I just want to tell them that my

2448
01:48:17,280 --> 01:48:20,880
Speaker 8: big board beat their big board. They had a bad year,

2449
01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:21,960
Speaker 8: only I think they had one.

2450
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:25,080
Speaker 3: So you mean throwing throwing markers at a white board,

2451
01:48:25,200 --> 01:48:27,639
Speaker 3: well beat boy, Well yesterday I told you, And you're

2452
01:48:27,680 --> 01:48:28,800
Speaker 3: taking a pat on the back for that.

2453
01:48:29,040 --> 01:48:32,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, because because yesterday I was listening and Felger was like,

2454
01:48:32,600 --> 01:48:36,439
Speaker 6: nobody hits more than I do on the big boards, Like, yeah,

2455
01:48:36,880 --> 01:48:37,760
Speaker 6: one person did, to.

2456
01:48:37,800 --> 01:48:40,680
Speaker 8: The point he was so upset that they only had

2457
01:48:40,720 --> 01:48:44,840
Speaker 8: one hit that he's too I think they jam bell.

2458
01:48:44,960 --> 01:48:47,799
Speaker 8: He wants to pull the plug on it because he's.

2459
01:48:47,680 --> 01:48:49,320
Speaker 3: Like, I thought it was a sponsored element.

2460
01:48:49,439 --> 01:48:53,600
Speaker 6: Well that's what they all said, making half kidding. But

2461
01:48:53,680 --> 01:48:54,800
Speaker 6: Deuce and I both I know you.

2462
01:48:55,960 --> 01:48:58,439
Speaker 7: So to that same point, though, if say Bill ended

2463
01:48:58,479 --> 01:49:01,280
Speaker 7: up going to Atlanta, think he would have signed Kirk

2464
01:49:01,320 --> 01:49:02,679
Speaker 7: Cousins for that much money.

2465
01:49:03,120 --> 01:49:03,720
Speaker 3: He's a good question.

2466
01:49:03,760 --> 01:49:06,679
Speaker 8: Actually can't, like, I don't know what the contract would

2467
01:49:06,680 --> 01:49:08,080
Speaker 8: have been, but I do think you would would have

2468
01:49:08,160 --> 01:49:09,320
Speaker 8: been strongly interested.

2469
01:49:09,560 --> 01:49:12,479
Speaker 6: Especially because of his at some point, his age has

2470
01:49:12,560 --> 01:49:15,160
Speaker 6: to be a factor, and like his window was just

2471
01:49:15,439 --> 01:49:19,200
Speaker 6: so small that Kirk Cousins was perfect for for him.

2472
01:49:19,240 --> 01:49:20,560
Speaker 7: Because I was going to say, do you think he

2473
01:49:20,600 --> 01:49:22,320
Speaker 7: would have taken Kirk Cousins or do you think he

2474
01:49:22,320 --> 01:49:24,000
Speaker 7: would have looked at the draft board and been like, Okay,

2475
01:49:24,080 --> 01:49:25,920
Speaker 7: we're eight, like we'll just get one.

2476
01:49:26,520 --> 01:49:28,840
Speaker 3: Speaking of going to be he's going to be on

2477
01:49:28,920 --> 01:49:31,880
Speaker 3: Pat McAfee every Monday during the season, I think he

2478
01:49:32,040 --> 01:49:36,280
Speaker 3: was at some point though McAfee has to stop groveling, like, no,

2479
01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:38,960
Speaker 3: I'm that that will get old, Like he's got to

2480
01:49:39,040 --> 01:49:39,559
Speaker 3: mix it up.

2481
01:49:39,760 --> 01:49:42,360
Speaker 5: I just get the clips, but I just I think

2482
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:44,040
Speaker 5: it's it's a great part of Bill. It's a side

2483
01:49:44,040 --> 01:49:45,720
Speaker 5: of Bill that we barely ever saw when he was

2484
01:49:45,760 --> 01:49:47,000
Speaker 5: a coach. And now if we're going to get it

2485
01:49:47,080 --> 01:49:49,559
Speaker 5: once a week and get you know, I'm I'm psyched.

2486
01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:50,360
Speaker 5: I mean that's that's.

2487
01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:53,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's what I'll see.

2488
01:49:53,160 --> 01:49:55,240
Speaker 8: I won't watch it, but I'm really interesting, you know that.

2489
01:49:55,720 --> 01:49:57,360
Speaker 3: You know, Bill was on and he was talking about

2490
01:49:57,760 --> 01:50:01,880
Speaker 3: Drake May not Drake many, Yeah, Drake May and he said,

2491
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:04,920
Speaker 3: you know, he's comparing himself to you know, Josh Allen,

2492
01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:07,640
Speaker 3: and we'll see about that. I know a lot of

2493
01:50:07,720 --> 01:50:10,720
Speaker 3: people have compared him. I thought that was does he

2494
01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:13,400
Speaker 3: go around saying I'm Josh Allen, or I'm gonna beat

2495
01:50:13,439 --> 01:50:14,200
Speaker 3: Josh Allen.

2496
01:50:14,040 --> 01:50:16,880
Speaker 8: Or I'm like to comment at some point where he

2497
01:50:16,920 --> 01:50:21,760
Speaker 8: said something, I'm paraphrasing something along the lines of some

2498
01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:26,320
Speaker 8: people have said, there's some similarities to Josh Allen's gable

2499
01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:29,040
Speaker 8: or I you know, I like watching Josh Allen play

2500
01:50:29,160 --> 01:50:29,800
Speaker 8: or something like that.

2501
01:50:30,560 --> 01:50:33,679
Speaker 6: That's what he said, not like I'm like Josh Allen.

2502
01:50:34,320 --> 01:50:37,960
Speaker 6: Every every player gets asked who's the pro that you emulate,

2503
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:40,080
Speaker 6: you like to watch, you model your game after? And

2504
01:50:40,360 --> 01:50:42,720
Speaker 6: that's I think the question that he answered, Yeah, and

2505
01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:46,240
Speaker 6: everything you know we asked. Someone asked Jalen Polk and

2506
01:50:46,360 --> 01:50:49,000
Speaker 6: he said Keenan Allen. He does Jalen Polk think he's

2507
01:50:49,080 --> 01:50:52,519
Speaker 6: Keenan Allen? Does Bill go to the whiteboard and say,

2508
01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:54,720
Speaker 6: you know, this guy compares himself to Keenan now?

2509
01:50:54,760 --> 01:50:55,439
Speaker 8: And I don't know about that.

2510
01:50:55,840 --> 01:50:57,960
Speaker 3: So I thought that was a little bit unfair, unless

2511
01:50:58,080 --> 01:51:00,840
Speaker 3: unless there's stuff that he said that I'm not aware

2512
01:51:00,880 --> 01:51:01,200
Speaker 3: of it.

2513
01:51:01,400 --> 01:51:03,479
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's what I had heard.

2514
01:51:04,840 --> 01:51:06,120
Speaker 5: I mean, and the rest of it I thought was

2515
01:51:06,200 --> 01:51:07,800
Speaker 5: kind of overblown. But I do think I'm like, when

2516
01:51:07,800 --> 01:51:08,320
Speaker 5: did he say that?

2517
01:51:08,600 --> 01:51:11,160
Speaker 6: When it comes to public comments, whether it's a press conference,

2518
01:51:11,320 --> 01:51:13,439
Speaker 6: I've been at every single thing that Drake may has

2519
01:51:13,479 --> 01:51:17,120
Speaker 6: said this off season, Pro Day, combine whatever, I have

2520
01:51:17,240 --> 01:51:21,000
Speaker 6: never once heard him say I'm Josh all I.

2521
01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:23,720
Speaker 8: Would also add that he hates Josh Allen with the

2522
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:25,960
Speaker 8: fiery depths of it. He still thinks he's thinking, he

2523
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:26,719
Speaker 8: still thinks he's.

2524
01:51:27,240 --> 01:51:29,960
Speaker 3: So at some point if he if he says things

2525
01:51:30,040 --> 01:51:32,479
Speaker 3: like that, somebody on the show, and you would think

2526
01:51:32,479 --> 01:51:35,040
Speaker 3: it'd be McAfee has to push back, Well, when did

2527
01:51:35,080 --> 01:51:38,639
Speaker 3: he say that? You know, like, you know, make him

2528
01:51:38,640 --> 01:51:39,120
Speaker 3: back it up.

2529
01:51:39,200 --> 01:51:41,680
Speaker 5: Oh boy, it'll be interesting because we know what Bill's like,

2530
01:51:41,720 --> 01:51:43,680
Speaker 5: because he's when he was in position of power at

2531
01:51:43,720 --> 01:51:45,599
Speaker 5: the podium and you know, people try to go back

2532
01:51:45,600 --> 01:51:46,880
Speaker 5: and forth and he would just shut it down. But

2533
01:51:47,040 --> 01:51:50,280
Speaker 5: like on TV, he's like, we're onto the next segment,

2534
01:51:50,520 --> 01:51:52,680
Speaker 5: We're onto the commercial, like no bills, just like we're

2535
01:51:52,720 --> 01:51:54,200
Speaker 5: onto the commercial Foxy Roll.

2536
01:51:56,680 --> 01:51:59,160
Speaker 3: I can just say him, Pat Patam, I'm just doing

2537
01:51:59,240 --> 01:52:04,040
Speaker 3: what's in the best the show. All right, let's get

2538
01:52:04,080 --> 01:52:08,599
Speaker 3: back to the phones. Matt's in Iowa. Hey, Matt, Matt,

2539
01:52:09,439 --> 01:52:10,400
Speaker 3: what is going on.

2540
01:52:12,040 --> 01:52:12,160
Speaker 8: There?

2541
01:52:12,200 --> 01:52:12,640
Speaker 1: He is there?

2542
01:52:13,240 --> 01:52:13,679
Speaker 12: He Matt?

2543
01:52:14,439 --> 01:52:14,639
Speaker 3: Hey?

2544
01:52:15,360 --> 01:52:18,679
Speaker 8: Uh So, Paul, I did have one thing to dispute

2545
01:52:18,720 --> 01:52:19,479
Speaker 8: on what you said.

2546
01:52:20,160 --> 01:52:22,800
Speaker 12: You said that each team only needs one quarterback.

2547
01:52:24,360 --> 01:52:24,920
Speaker 7: That's wrong.

2548
01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:29,519
Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, well I know what Paul saying, only white

2549
01:52:29,720 --> 01:52:30,320
Speaker 3: player at the time.

2550
01:52:30,640 --> 01:52:33,400
Speaker 8: Sorry I misspoke, I'm but now I've rethought that, so

2551
01:52:33,479 --> 01:52:34,160
Speaker 8: don't worry about it.

2552
01:52:35,040 --> 01:52:35,920
Speaker 4: Okay, all right.

2553
01:52:36,439 --> 01:52:40,120
Speaker 14: My question for y'all is, now that we have, uh

2554
01:52:40,600 --> 01:52:44,920
Speaker 14: two wide receivers that we drafted, what does our wide

2555
01:52:44,960 --> 01:52:46,360
Speaker 14: receiver room look like?

2556
01:52:46,479 --> 01:52:47,720
Speaker 18: And who do you all expect to.

2557
01:52:47,960 --> 01:52:48,599
Speaker 1: Make it out?

2558
01:52:49,400 --> 01:52:51,840
Speaker 3: Is going to give you us his early I got

2559
01:52:51,920 --> 01:52:54,000
Speaker 3: a quarterback, I got what?

2560
01:52:54,240 --> 01:52:54,280
Speaker 4: What?

2561
01:52:54,960 --> 01:52:55,000
Speaker 7: What?

2562
01:52:56,439 --> 01:52:57,920
Speaker 3: Who makes this team? We got?

2563
01:52:58,000 --> 01:53:00,519
Speaker 5: We got kJ Osborne. Think he's a lock. I think

2564
01:53:00,560 --> 01:53:03,080
Speaker 5: Tomorrow Douglas is a lock. Jalen Polk of course, and

2565
01:53:03,200 --> 01:53:08,120
Speaker 5: Javon Baker and uh and then I think, I mean,

2566
01:53:08,160 --> 01:53:09,880
Speaker 5: I think Kendrick Born probably a lock. But I just

2567
01:53:09,920 --> 01:53:12,080
Speaker 5: wonder if he could be a pup guy because he's injured.

2568
01:53:12,120 --> 01:53:13,559
Speaker 5: He sounds like he's going to be healthy. But those

2569
01:53:13,560 --> 01:53:15,840
Speaker 5: are my so those are my top five and and

2570
01:53:15,960 --> 01:53:16,880
Speaker 5: then yeah, whatever.

2571
01:53:17,080 --> 01:53:19,639
Speaker 6: I think Jalen Rager, just because of his return ability,

2572
01:53:20,040 --> 01:53:22,840
Speaker 6: has a good chance have Marcus Jones.

2573
01:53:23,760 --> 01:53:24,519
Speaker 8: Well, he's going to be the.

2574
01:53:24,520 --> 01:53:26,879
Speaker 6: Pun returner, but Jalen Rager might be the kick returner.

2575
01:53:27,520 --> 01:53:29,519
Speaker 6: I don't know how the new rules, Marcus Jones might

2576
01:53:29,600 --> 01:53:33,680
Speaker 6: be better at both than he is. Jones maybe that

2577
01:53:33,720 --> 01:53:36,800
Speaker 6: will push him off the roster. But I think you know,

2578
01:53:36,960 --> 01:53:39,560
Speaker 6: if you if you're going to keep six receivers, the

2579
01:53:39,640 --> 01:53:42,519
Speaker 6: six guy better have some kick game value, Like you

2580
01:53:42,600 --> 01:53:45,879
Speaker 6: can't just have Juju collecting paychecks on the sideline.

2581
01:53:45,920 --> 01:53:48,320
Speaker 3: What about the new rules on kickoffs? Does that change

2582
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Speaker 3: the type of guy that you have possible?

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Speaker 6: I mean, Jalen Rager was really good at the traditional kickoff.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if he's going to be really good

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Speaker 6: at the new one.

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Speaker 8: I will see.

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Speaker 6: And that could Amara's point be Marcus Jones's job because

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Speaker 6: there are a lot of people have said.

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Speaker 8: Jones is really good. There's a lot of people that

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Speaker 8: have a bigger running back. I mean, could change the

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Speaker 8: coverage guys. You might want some bulk of your guys

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Speaker 8: at the point of I mean, you might want.

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Speaker 5: A little tackle breaking ability, because that seems like you're

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01:54:21,080 --> 01:54:24,320
Speaker 5: gonna have to get through no one can move until

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Speaker 5: it's caught.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, so that's that's you're basically starting from a

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Speaker 3: dead start there for everybody.

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Speaker 18: You know.

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Speaker 6: And I think explosiveness is the most important thing still though,

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Speaker 6: Like if you see a crease, you have to be

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Speaker 6: able to run through.

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Speaker 3: It, and there's a good chance once you get through

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Speaker 3: that crease.

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Speaker 8: You're gone.

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Speaker 6: I think early on in the season we're going to

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Speaker 6: see a lot of kickoff returns for touchdowns before teams

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Speaker 6: start to figure out how to defend.

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Speaker 5: Training camp will be interesting, just they're gonna have to

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Speaker 5: start working on it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So I don't know if like who you looked

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Speaker 3: at in the past put that things that will over

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Speaker 3: overst you know, it's a Marcus Jones best suited for

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Speaker 3: this new rule.

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Speaker 8: Maybe not, you know that I'm kind of I mean,

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Speaker 8: I don't know. I think it's still going to be

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Speaker 8: the return guy. I think still has to have that

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01:55:11,160 --> 01:55:15,360
Speaker 8: kind of straight line speed, quick quick twitch, burst, change

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01:55:15,400 --> 01:55:16,960
Speaker 8: a direction, get.

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Speaker 6: So, yeah, more like Cordero Patterson then Marcus Jones is

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Speaker 6: more of like the you know, joystick type of guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and I like that.

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Speaker 8: I want a guy who can make a guy miss

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Speaker 8: and then take it to Fred's point, If you can

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01:55:30,040 --> 01:55:33,680
Speaker 8: get past the initial line of sort of congestion there

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Speaker 8: and get to the second level, it's like a running play.

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Speaker 8: It's like a short yardage running play in the middle

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Speaker 8: of the field. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I really wonder if this rule had got into place earlier,

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Speaker 6: Cordero Patterson might have actually made some like real money

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Speaker 6: in free agency because he not only does he have

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01:55:49,960 --> 01:55:52,400
Speaker 6: he had both he has running back experience too, but

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Speaker 6: he has the size and strength to break through and

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Speaker 6: then the speed to Dusty.

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Speaker 5: Do you think it's possible that this new kickoff rule,

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01:55:58,280 --> 01:55:59,920
Speaker 5: like they blow up and it's all of a sudden

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Speaker 5: like off, I mean multiple scores, like to an unexpected level.

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Speaker 8: Like solution to that, which is just if it's if

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Speaker 8: it's a problem, the lion will change the rule. And

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Speaker 8: I agree with Heaven that I think early early in

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Speaker 8: the season you tend to see some returns anyway, but

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Speaker 8: I think with the adjustment there's probably more of a likelihood.

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Speaker 8: But wouldn't you just said, Okay, I'm just gonna touch back.

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01:56:20,120 --> 01:56:22,560
Speaker 8: I don't care, I'm not going to go up an

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01:56:22,560 --> 01:56:24,040
Speaker 8: eighty yard touchdo I'm just going to give them ball

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01:56:24,080 --> 01:56:24,480
Speaker 8: at the thirty.

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Speaker 3: Right, Rudy's in California, will finish up with you. What's up, Rudy, Rudy.

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Speaker 8: Rudy, make it good, Rudy.

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01:56:33,920 --> 01:56:37,880
Speaker 3: He's not there on that note. All right, well, Rudy,

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Speaker 3: you're gone. You had your chance. That was your shot, Captain,

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Speaker 3: you had one shot.

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01:56:42,320 --> 01:56:44,800
Speaker 10: I know he's he's gonna come run out of a

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Speaker 10: tunnel with his golden helmet flashing and yeah, all.

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Speaker 3: Right, Well that's going to be it for this edition

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Speaker 3: of Page Check Filtered. What's coming up this week? Catch

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Speaker 3: twenty two already had that Thursday, and no playbook this week.

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Speaker 5: I'm not going to say anything. I'm not going to

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01:56:58,840 --> 01:57:00,280
Speaker 5: say what it is. But Paul and I work on

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Speaker 5: a very exciting project tomorrow that I'm very excited to

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Speaker 5: share with everybody. Oh yeah, it's new and any hints

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Speaker 5: former Patriots offensive coordinator will be participating in.

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Speaker 8: Us nice talking about a former Patriots quarterback?

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Speaker 3: Nice? All right, sounds good. All right, we'll talk to

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Speaker 3: you on Thursday.

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