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Speaker 1: It's one pm on April twelfth, twenty twenty five. I
Speaker 1: traveled halfway across Belgium and then made a beeline south
Speaker 1: to make it to where I am today, in an
Speaker 1: abandoned field next to a highway, looking for proof that
Speaker 1: could be critical to this case. The woman I'm with
Speaker 1: has information that could alter the trajectory of our investigation,
Speaker 1: but I need to make sure she's telling the truth.
Speaker 1: This isn't a lead that I can verify online or
Speaker 1: ask a journalist to confirm, because her story has never
Speaker 1: been made public. We're looking for a concrete slab somewhere
Speaker 1: in this mess of wasteland near Moss. If I can
Speaker 1: find it, it will prove that what she's telling me
Speaker 1: is true, that she really did live here back in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six. A bunch of shit here. We've got
Speaker 1: an old couch and a bunch of old cans and
Speaker 1: toy and junk that must be left over. She told
Speaker 1: me that her DNA was found in one of the
Speaker 1: trash bags full of body parts of victims of the
Speaker 1: butcher of mass Police contacted her in twenty twenty three
Speaker 1: to take her DNA sample to confirm, but she never
Speaker 1: heard back about the results. She says she lived here
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety six with a community of traveling people,
Speaker 1: and that her caravan sat on top of a concrete
Speaker 1: slab that we should still be able to find. Ah
Speaker 1: Jeitrveadalal Betton. She was telling me to look for a
Speaker 1: piece of concrete foundation. So now I'm standing on this
Speaker 1: concrete foundation. It's kind of remnants of a place where
Speaker 1: traveling people or gypsies I guess they were called at
Speaker 1: the time, had lived. Wondering if ever, whoever the killer
Speaker 1: was have been based here because the hair was found.
Speaker 3: I can't be mysterious.
Speaker 1: They disappearance of a woman from Mont Jacqueline.
Speaker 4: The condition of the victims was sickening, and the question remains,
Speaker 4: where is the killer?
Speaker 1: From Tenderfoot TV and iHeart podcasts, I'm Your Host Matt
Speaker 1: Graves and This is La manstre Season two, The Butcher
Speaker 1: of Moss, The improbable circumstances that led me to be
Speaker 1: searching for a concrete slab and a forgotten meadow near
Speaker 1: Moss are still playing out. It started with a vague
Speaker 1: rumor on Facebook that a woman had been contacted by
Speaker 1: police to test her DNA in relation to the Butcher
Speaker 1: of Mals case. Other journalists and armchair sleuths on various
Speaker 1: forums that speculated about it, but no one was able
Speaker 1: to validate the story. It seemed to be just another
Speaker 1: unsubstantiated rumor to add to a long list. The sheer
Speaker 1: number of rabbit holes in this case is astounding, and
Speaker 1: one of the primary challenges for a cold case team
Speaker 1: is sifting through it all to separate valuable leads from
Speaker 1: distracting noise. The investigative journalist Frederic lou pounded the pavement
Speaker 1: to try to find a person behind this story. He
Speaker 1: was able to make a connection that led him to
Speaker 1: another connection and then led him to a woman will
Speaker 1: call Giselle Hope. I've just made a long drive to
Speaker 1: the east of Belgium to pick her up and drive
Speaker 1: down to Moss where she lived in nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 1: Giselle doesn't have a driver's license. She lives in social
Speaker 1: housing and as you hear, her life hasn't been easy.
Speaker 5: I have two older sons, the bod drug addicts. My
Speaker 5: forty one year old son is also a drug dealer,
Speaker 5: and he got busted by the NACO units. It was
Speaker 5: bound to happen, and he was detained, and I suppose
Speaker 5: that at that time they took a DNA sample from him.
Speaker 1: Her son, who was arrested, had also been involved in
Speaker 1: a shooting, which most likely triggered the retention of his DNA,
Speaker 1: which was entered into the national database, and in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three, his DNA triggered a potential familial match, and.
Speaker 5: From my son's DNA they concluded that there was a
Speaker 5: partial female.
Speaker 1: Investigators contacted Giselle because they believed an unknown DNA profile
Speaker 1: identified from the contents of one of the trash bags
Speaker 1: full of body parts could be hers. She told us
Speaker 1: that in nineteen ninety six she was living near Moss
Speaker 1: with a group of traveling people often referred to as gypsies,
Speaker 1: in an encampment just outside of the city. At this point,
Speaker 1: I mostly believe Gizette, but I feel it's necessary to
Speaker 1: actually see the place where she says she was living
Speaker 1: at the time. If it does turn out that her
Speaker 1: DNA was indeed in one of the trash bags, it
Speaker 1: could mean that she had been in contact with a
Speaker 1: killer or one of the victims around the time of
Speaker 1: the murders. Gizette isn't a traveling person herself, but through
Speaker 1: a long, complicated story, she found herself living with a
Speaker 1: group of travelers just outside of Moss. Apparently the encampment
Speaker 1: is long since gone, but she agreed to show me
Speaker 1: where it was.
Speaker 5: Located advance, and they had made an extension on a
Speaker 5: concrete slab for a kitchen and bathroom. That's how I'm
Speaker 5: sure I can still find it.
Speaker 1: Frederic joined us near Mass and after a lot of searching,
Speaker 1: we found the field and located this concrete slab. So
Speaker 1: now I'm standing on this concrete foundation and this is
Speaker 1: where Joe was living. I'm gonna ask her to try
Speaker 1: to explain. Don't you see well, the three of us
Speaker 1: stand in the middle of this abandoned encampment next to
Speaker 1: the highway. Jessel explains it.
Speaker 5: Was in ninety six. The godfather of my son was
Speaker 5: a traveler.
Speaker 3: A gypsy.
Speaker 5: At the time, I was living alone in a run
Speaker 5: down house with my four children, and when he saw
Speaker 5: our condition, he said it was untenable and that he'd
Speaker 5: get me a caravan and I could come live with them.
Speaker 5: Here on the left side is where the family with
Speaker 5: whom I was staying lived, and here on the other
Speaker 5: side there were other travelers, but they didn't get along.
Speaker 5: There were often fights and even gunshots. The two clans
Speaker 5: didn't get along.
Speaker 3: You know, they don't woo You don't hundred mm.
Speaker 1: I asked her how it played out when police called
Speaker 1: her twenty seven years later about her Dnamtelu.
Speaker 5: The police called me and said that they wanted to
Speaker 5: do a DNA test.
Speaker 1: And didn't ask also.
Speaker 5: Because a hair containing my DNA would have been found
Speaker 5: in one of the trash bags, and that the DNA
Speaker 5: led them to me after having analyzed my son's DNA,
Speaker 5: who was in prison at the time, but that it
Speaker 5: was a feminine profile.
Speaker 1: Frederic asked her if she knew any of the victims.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 5: The investigators showed me their pictures and I looked at
Speaker 5: them very closely, but didn't recognize any of them.
Speaker 1: So police must have detected an unknown DNA profile from
Speaker 1: a strand of hair found in one of the gruesome
Speaker 1: trash bags, which triggered a partial match on her son,
Speaker 1: but given the profile, it led them to believe that
Speaker 1: it would have come from his mother, Giesel. It's still
Speaker 1: unclear why police never contacted Gisel about the outcome of
Speaker 1: her DNA test. We're actively following up to get the results.
Speaker 1: The practical consequences of a DNA match could mean one
Speaker 1: of many things. It could have been a random coincidence.
Speaker 1: She could have been in contact with a victim, or
Speaker 1: she could have been in contact with a killer, or,
Speaker 1: in a more troubling scenario, possibly even involved with the crimes.
Speaker 7: It was the evening of July twentieth. Martin was my
Speaker 7: last client of the day. She came in between six
Speaker 7: fifty and seven. I remember that she was very well
Speaker 7: dressed that evening.
Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety six, edoard Campus was a hairdresser in
Speaker 1: the Center of Moss, just up the road from the
Speaker 1: train station. One of his regular customers was a woman
Speaker 1: named Martin Bone.
Speaker 7: Martin Bone was one of my most loyal customers. She
Speaker 7: was a beautiful woman who dressed well, not too centric
Speaker 7: or to Volga, but she was definitely a handful. Her
Speaker 7: character was after a while. You had to take her
Speaker 7: as she came on that evening, she had made an appointment.
Speaker 1: On the evening of July twentieth, Martin took the last
Speaker 1: appointment of the day to have her hair done by Edoar,
Speaker 1: her hairdresser and confidant. She always looked forward to spending
Speaker 1: time at the salon, catching up on gossip and sharing
Speaker 1: the latest updates about her eventful life, all while being
Speaker 1: pampered by Edoar.
Speaker 7: She told me that she was invited to a friend's
Speaker 7: dinner party that evening. She was in good spirits and
Speaker 7: happy to be invited. She had dressed up for the party,
Speaker 7: and her mood was very relaxed. I didn't notice anything
Speaker 7: off at all. She didn't seem bothered about anything. Not
Speaker 7: at any moment did she mention to me that she
Speaker 7: was afraid of anything or anyone who might hurt her.
Speaker 7: Not that evening or anytime.
Speaker 1: Ever, that was the last time Edoard ever saw his
Speaker 1: friend and client Martin Bone. On the next day, she
Speaker 1: went missing from the center of mass and was never
Speaker 1: seen alive again. July twenty first is Belgian Independence Day,
Speaker 1: day of national celebration full of festivity, parties, concerts and fireworks.
Speaker 1: This was the day Martin Bone vanished. As Edward explained,
Speaker 1: she seemed to be in good spirits one day earlier,
Speaker 1: but that hadn't always been the case with Martin.
Speaker 7: I think she arrived in months when she was much younger.
Speaker 7: If my memory served me correctly, she was very pretty.
Speaker 7: If you walked by her on the street, you wouldn't
Speaker 7: have thought for a minute that she was involved with
Speaker 7: a prostitution. The sad thing is that she had a
Speaker 7: very bad accident that changed her a lot. After the accident,
Speaker 7: she wasn't the same person, neither physically nor mentally. She
Speaker 7: had highs and she had lulls, and her laws could
Speaker 7: be really low.
Speaker 1: Martin was originally from France, but ended up living in
Speaker 1: Mons as a young woman, working in bars and eventually
Speaker 1: becoming a sex worker. Her life was completely changed by
Speaker 1: a car accident that left both mental and physical scars.
Speaker 1: A financial settlement following the accident gave her some financial relief,
Speaker 1: but she kept some private clients on the side. At
Speaker 1: the time of her disappearance, she was staying in a
Speaker 1: hotel called the Liedo, about a fifteen minute walk from
Speaker 1: the train station. On the evening of July twenty first,
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six, she was last seen exiting the hotel
Speaker 1: Lido by foot. Still to this day, we don't know
Speaker 1: if she had a rendezvous with a client that night
Speaker 1: or if she was just heading out on her own.
Speaker 1: It was a warm evening with no rain. She would
Speaker 1: have walked into Archer Street, surely heading south towards the center.
Speaker 1: Bars and cafes would have had their windows open and
Speaker 1: tables outside full of revelers and joining the summer weather.
Speaker 1: One thing we know for sure is that at some
Speaker 1: point that evening she came face to face with her killer.
Speaker 1: Four days later, on July twenty fifth, nineteen ninety six,
Speaker 1: the beautiful weather had turned and the more familiar low
Speaker 1: cloud cover and drizzle had taken over the skies of
Speaker 1: southern Belgium. A light mist formed around the banks of
Speaker 1: the River of Hate that winds through Mons eastward towards
Speaker 1: the border of France. A local was walking his dog
Speaker 1: along the river bank when he noticed something floating in
Speaker 1: the water. It was a human torso. Had the water
Speaker 1: levels been higher, it would have certainly float further down
Speaker 1: the river, perhaps into neighboring France, but it was stuck
Speaker 1: in a shallow eddie. It was a female torso. The
Speaker 1: head and limbs had been amputated with a sharp instrument,
Speaker 1: and the breasts had been removed. The torso would later
Speaker 1: be identified as belonging to Martin Boone. It's believed that
Speaker 1: she was murdered at some point between July twenty first
Speaker 1: and twenty second, nineteen ninety six. This was before the
Speaker 1: disappearances of Jacqueline Leclaire and Natalie go Dard and the
Speaker 1: subsequent gruesome discoveries of human remains and trash bags. Sadly,
Speaker 1: Martin's disappearance wasn't investigated as rigorously as the other murders
Speaker 1: because she was a known sex worker at the time.
Speaker 1: She was also the lone discovery, so there were no
Speaker 1: dots to connect with other murders fitting the killer's mo
Speaker 1: You'll recall that in nineteen ninety seven, investigators had previously
Speaker 1: identified two of the victims in a series of gruesome
Speaker 1: discoveries of trash bags filled with human body parts, but
Speaker 1: they were struggling to identify the third victim. The investigative
Speaker 1: journalist Frederick Law explains, at.
Speaker 8: The time they already identified Jacqueline Leclair Natalie Goddard, and
Speaker 8: now they identified Martin Bone because they found a torso.
Speaker 8: A few months before, they found a torso in the
Speaker 8: river line. But this torso was not already connected to
Speaker 8: the other victims. But now it's done, so things are
Speaker 8: becoming clear about the connection between those three victims and
Speaker 8: the way they have been killed. The whole image was
Speaker 8: really dark, and now with three victims, it confirms that
Speaker 8: we have a serial killer.
Speaker 1: As a story developed, the press created a name for
Speaker 1: the elusive serial killer who was terrorizing Moss. In French,
Speaker 1: they called him Le de pesssur, which technically means the
Speaker 1: slicer or dismember, but the most common translation is simply
Speaker 1: the butcher. Thus was born. The name still referred to
Speaker 1: today La depassur the mass the butcher of mass Le.
Speaker 9: It is now certain that the Butcher of Mons has
Speaker 9: killed three victims. The first is Martin Bone, who disappeared
Speaker 9: in July of nineteen ninety six. Her mutilated torso was
Speaker 9: found in the River of Hate. A few weeks later,
Speaker 9: more of her body parts were found in the recent
Speaker 9: discovery of the twenty second of March. It's also certain
Speaker 9: that the trash bags recently discovered were deposited at different times.
Speaker 9: The remains of martin bone were undoubtedly there for several
Speaker 9: months already.
Speaker 1: Upon re examining martin Bon's torso, investigators established that the
Speaker 1: instrument used to dismember her body was similar to the
Speaker 1: other victims, most likely a regular handsaw, just like Jacquelinini.
Speaker 1: Martin was known to frequent establishments near the train station,
Speaker 1: and specifically the hotel Le Metropol, which seems to be
Speaker 1: ground zero for the butcher of Mans's hunting ground. Madame Gosh,
Speaker 1: the honor of La Metropol, who you heard from in
Speaker 1: previous episodes, knew Martin well.
Speaker 6: Martin came to Belgium and she worked in bars left
Speaker 6: and right and right and left. She was very clever,
Speaker 6: and it's for that reason that I say that the
Speaker 6: idea of Martin letting someone she didn't know take her
Speaker 6: away is impossible. And her mother would come from time
Speaker 6: to time to visit her and they would stay here
Speaker 6: in my hotel and everything was fine. But she had
Speaker 6: a bad accident and she won a settlement. So we
Speaker 6: thought that because Martin had money, that she'd been killed
Speaker 6: by someone who wanted her money.
Speaker 1: At the time, investigators as well as Martin's friends, thought
Speaker 1: that her murder must have been related to her activities
Speaker 1: in the nightclub scene or something tied to her financial settlement.
Speaker 1: But after the discoveries of body parts, in realization that
Speaker 1: a serial killer was on the loose, her friends began
Speaker 1: to think that Martin could also be a victim of
Speaker 1: the Butcher of Moss. Madame Gange had a mutual friend
Speaker 1: with Martin and they spoke about this possibility.
Speaker 6: One morning, this friend came to see me and said,
Speaker 6: I'm going to the police, and she said, I want
Speaker 6: to know if it's her. She went to the police
Speaker 6: and that afternoon she came back to see me and
Speaker 6: she said it's her. She said, I know Martin's body. Martin,
Speaker 6: she didn't have her arms or legs. It was only
Speaker 6: her torso and she said, I saw it was her.
Speaker 6: I saw her tattoo on her shoulder.
Speaker 1: When Madame Gange learned that Martin had been killed. She
Speaker 1: recalled having seen her on the day of her disappearance.
Speaker 7: Of Martin.
Speaker 6: The last time I saw Martine she was with three
Speaker 6: men on a Sunday morning, the twenty first of July,
Speaker 6: and she came to have a drink here with these
Speaker 6: three men. Kiss could you see? And I said, Martin,
Speaker 6: what are you doing at nine in the morning, all
Speaker 6: dressed up and pretty. She was wearing a black silk robe.
Speaker 6: She had gone to the same hairdresser. We both went.
Speaker 1: To El d Mont.
Speaker 6: And on Sunday she was here with three men who
Speaker 6: I didn't know it was the twenty first of July
Speaker 6: because I had the habit of putting yellow flowers on
Speaker 6: the tables every Sunday morning. She sat at a table
Speaker 6: and I parted discussing with the men and ordered four beers,
Speaker 6: and I served them the beers and I said, Martin,
Speaker 6: what's going on? Why are you all dressed up on
Speaker 6: a Sunday morning? And she winked and said, it's business.
Speaker 1: Business, business Levine. At this point I asked Monique if
Speaker 1: she thought Martin had shady dealings with these individuals or
Speaker 1: if she thought they might be responsible for her murder.
Speaker 6: Well, listen, it's bizarre. Nevertheless, you see her with three men,
Speaker 6: and then a few days later she disappears from circulation.
Speaker 1: If one or more of these three men were involved
Speaker 1: in Martin's murder, it would mean that Madame Ganche saw
Speaker 1: the killer or killers just hours before they took Martin.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, So we just drove up to this bridge
Speaker 1: and it's right over a river that's called the River
Speaker 1: of Hate. And I'm with Morgan, who's going to explain
Speaker 1: what happened and what was found here.
Speaker 4: We're just behind the train station of months and about
Speaker 4: five hundred meters from the hotel and Barlia Metropol.
Speaker 1: I wanted to visit the site where Martin's torso was discovered.
Speaker 4: And so if you turn around here you'll see the
Speaker 4: station area. You would have seen it more clearly at
Speaker 4: the time. Here it was completely deserted with empty fields.
Speaker 4: This road wasn't used much. It was very somber and dark.
Speaker 4: And it's here that in July of nineteen ninety six
Speaker 4: that they found the torso of Martin Bone. So it
Speaker 4: was summertime, the water levels were very low and it
Speaker 4: was hot. It was known that Martin has been missing
Speaker 4: for a few days, and here they find this torso.
Speaker 4: It wasn't immediately identified as Martin Bone, but very quickly
Speaker 4: was associated with her and an investigation was opened and
Speaker 4: then well afterwards linked to the Butcher case file in
Speaker 4: March April of nineteen ninety seven, when the affair exploded
Speaker 4: and they were able to link the body parts found
Speaker 4: to the torso that was found here in July of
Speaker 4: ninety six.
Speaker 1: This place isn't only where Martin Bone's torso was found,
Speaker 1: but we're also standing just about one hundred feet away
Speaker 1: from where another torso was dumped several months later. And
Speaker 1: then if I look turn around and look a little
Speaker 1: bit to my left, I can see where the trunk
Speaker 1: of another body was discovered. This was on the twenty
Speaker 1: fourth of March, and this was Natalie Gouda. And it's
Speaker 1: amazing to think that that was after the first show
Speaker 1: blocking discovery of the bags full of body parts. Although
Speaker 1: I'd studied this case extensively before I started working on it,
Speaker 1: I never really grasped it before visiting all of the
Speaker 1: sites and getting my head around who was placed where
Speaker 1: and when. I can imagine it's confusing for the listener too,
Speaker 1: so let's put it into context and in chronological order.
Speaker 1: Authorities identified three victims who were murdered at three different times.
Speaker 1: These were Martin in mid nineteen ninety six, Jacqueline at
Speaker 1: the end of nineteen ninety six, and Natali at the
Speaker 1: beginning of nineteen ninety seven. The first discovery of body
Speaker 1: parts happened six days after the last victim, Natali, was murdered.
Speaker 1: Up until that point, the community was completely unaware that
Speaker 1: a serial killer was on the loose, and Moss we
Speaker 1: can interpret more about his modus operindi by analyzing how
Speaker 1: he deposited the victim's bodies. Martin's torso was deposited here
Speaker 1: where Morgan and I are standing, most likely by pitching
Speaker 1: her torso over this bridge and into the small river
Speaker 1: just below. He proceeded to deposit her smaller body parts
Speaker 1: and trash backs at the main dump side, where the
Speaker 1: first discoveries were made. Her head has still never been found.
Speaker 1: About six months later, he murdered Jacqueline and deposited her
Speaker 1: smaller body parts and trash bags at the main dumb
Speaker 1: side as well. Her torso was never found, although we
Speaker 1: suspect it was also dumped here in the river. Like Martin,
Speaker 1: her head has also still never been found. Three months later,
Speaker 1: he murdered Natali and deposited several of her smaller body
Speaker 1: parts in trash bags at the main dumb side. As usual,
Speaker 1: the killer was keeping some body parts longer than others,
Speaker 1: rather than dumping them all at the same time or
Speaker 1: at the same location. This meant he was still in
Speaker 1: possession of the third victims torso and head. When the
Speaker 1: press picked up on the murders, he could no longer
Speaker 1: operate under the radar. With the police and community on
Speaker 1: full alert, he still had to dump the remaining body parts.
Speaker 1: It's not hard to picture the scenario. Police were still
Speaker 1: scouring the main dumb sight, news reports were flooding TV
Speaker 1: and radio trying to make sense of the original discovery,
Speaker 1: and helicopters were circling the skies all day long. He
Speaker 1: was at risk, but he decided to stick with his
Speaker 1: normal habit of dumping the torso off this bridge into
Speaker 1: the river. Certainly at night when the helicopters weren't circling.
Speaker 1: He would have discreetly drove up to this bridge under
Speaker 1: the cover of darkness. But something must have spooped him.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was the headlights of an approaching car or
Speaker 1: a random passer by. Whatever it was, it changed his plan.
Speaker 1: He didn't have time to drag the torso to the
Speaker 1: bridge and risk being seen at the same time. Aboording
Speaker 1: the disposal was equally risky because he had a decomposing
Speaker 1: torso in his car. He made a hasty decision and
Speaker 1: quickly dumped the torso on the side of the road
Speaker 1: next to the bridge. It was high risk because the
Speaker 1: torso was sure to be found quickly, but he must
Speaker 1: have decided he didn't have a choice. Just two days later,
Speaker 1: the torso was found and police locked the area down.
Speaker 1: He managed to evade police, but he still had a
Speaker 1: few body parts in the head of the last victim
Speaker 1: in his possession. He likely decided that his usual dumping
Speaker 1: grounds were a no go. Instead, he decided to bide
Speaker 1: his time and make final disposals elsewhere. After visiting the
Speaker 1: torso dumb site, I continued my macab tour with Morgan
Speaker 1: to the new place the killer chose to dispose of
Speaker 1: the remaining body parts. It's a small road in a
Speaker 1: municipality called Avre, about a fifteen minute drive from moss.
Speaker 1: As we pull up to the site, Morgan explains.
Speaker 4: So now we're at the deposit site in Havre. It's
Speaker 4: here that they found more body parts of Natalie Godach
Speaker 4: among the last trash bags that were found. So most
Speaker 4: probably these were among the last body parts he still
Speaker 4: had in his possession. He was under pressure and needed
Speaker 4: to get rid of them. Previously, he had gotten rid
Speaker 4: of the body parts of his victims quickly, but in
Speaker 4: March of ninety seven, when the affair came out, he
Speaker 4: still had some parts of his last victim, Natalie Godach.
Speaker 4: And here it's striking because for the first time we're
Speaker 4: sure that he had to keep the body parts for
Speaker 4: a whole month, and his behavior must have changed at
Speaker 4: this time because his other dumb sites were locked down
Speaker 4: and he had to be under pressure. He needed to
Speaker 4: find a solution to get rid of the last body parts.
Speaker 4: He had to live a whole month with these before
Speaker 4: having finding a new place to dumb them.
Speaker 1: There was one last place to visit on our inspection
Speaker 1: of dumb sites. It's also an Avre, very close to
Speaker 1: the site we just visited. It's always been a bit
Speaker 1: of a mystery as to why the killer chose two
Speaker 1: different sites very close to one another to get rid
Speaker 1: of the last few sacks filled with remains. One of
Speaker 1: the things I really appreciate about Morgan is the energy
Speaker 1: pores into profiling the perpetrator. He did experiments to recreate
Speaker 1: each of the killer's known disposals. It was during one
Speaker 1: of his simulations that he came to the conclusion that
Speaker 1: the killer must have been spooked again during his final
Speaker 1: dump run.
Speaker 4: I came back here several times, and I experienced something
Speaker 4: that enabled me to evolve my thinking about my investigation.
Speaker 4: One day, I was at the site we just visited.
Speaker 4: I stopped my car and was examining the side, and
Speaker 4: suddenly I saw car lights heading in my direction. I
Speaker 4: was almost in a panic, even though I hadn't done
Speaker 4: anything wrong, But I jumped back into my car, and
Speaker 4: at that moment I put myself in the shoes of
Speaker 4: the perpetrator. I was stressed out the car was following me.
Speaker 4: I took the first left because the street on the
Speaker 4: right was a cul de sac, and again left towards
Speaker 4: the main road I'd come in on. And at that
Speaker 4: point I imagined I had two trash bags full of
Speaker 4: remains in my car. I arrived at the main road
Speaker 4: and thought, if I were him, where would I go?
Speaker 4: If I take the main road, I'm either heading into
Speaker 4: the center of Mons or the center of Havre. Then
Speaker 4: I noticed a small cobble stone road straight ahead, as
Speaker 4: so I took it, and it led me straight to
Speaker 4: the street where the last dump was made. I'm sure
Speaker 4: that all of the secs should have been dumped at
Speaker 4: the first place I went, but the killer was spooked,
Speaker 4: just as I was when I did my simulation.
Speaker 1: So what does all of this tell us about the perpetrator?
Speaker 1: His initial dumb sites were in Moss, not too far
Speaker 1: from the city center. It's probably safe to assume that
Speaker 1: he was committing these murders and disposing of the bodies
Speaker 1: within the city. It certainly wouldn't make sense to drive
Speaker 1: into a busy metropolitan area to dispose of body parts
Speaker 1: if you committed the murders elsewhere, unless, of course, he
Speaker 1: wanted them to be found. We also know that he
Speaker 1: was able to abduct, murder, dismember, and store the remains
Speaker 1: of several victims at once for upwards of a month
Speaker 1: without being detacted. This is quite a feat within a
Speaker 1: densely populated city. He seems to be a risk taker
Speaker 1: because the dump sites he chose are not in secluded areas,
Speaker 1: but rather populated locations. You may have noticed that some
Speaker 1: of the dump sites have intriguing names. Martin Bone's Torso
Speaker 1: was found in the River of Hate parallel to Pelvis Road,
Speaker 1: Natali go Das Torso was found on the side of
Speaker 1: a road called the Path of Worry, and the last
Speaker 1: two dump sites were on the sides of Dump Road
Speaker 1: and Saint Simphorian Street. Was the killer playing some sort
Speaker 1: of gruesome game. It certainly feels like a deliberate and
Speaker 1: sinister treasure hunt to taunt the police and terrorize the population.
Speaker 1: Each new discovery sent fresh waves of terror throughout Moss.
Speaker 1: Whispers of a calculated pattern spread like wise fire, and
Speaker 1: with every mutilated body found, the unease grew, suffocating the
Speaker 1: city in a relentless grip of fear.
Speaker 10: Let Mons, the serial killer of Mons, is a dangerous psychopath,
Speaker 10: a completely exceptional case in the annals of criminality.
Speaker 11: We can consider that the profile is someone intelligent, maybe
Speaker 11: also someone provocative, who seeks to create sensation because his
Speaker 11: techniques are rather extraordinary and exceptional. Maybe also someone influenced
Speaker 11: by all that comes from America and the latest films
Speaker 11: that we've seen in movie theaters.
Speaker 6: With experience, you know, criminals are like us.
Speaker 5: With experience, we get better at what we do.
Speaker 10: Until now, there have been no examples of serial killers
Speaker 10: in Western Europe who dismember their victims. The reference comes
Speaker 10: from the United States. Analysts are reduced to theoretical assumptions
Speaker 10: to determine the psychological profile of the killer.
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