WEBVTT - #156 - Big K.R.I.T. 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:10.040 Boulet Cap Show special guests in here. One of the 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:13.000 greatest rappers of all time. We got a good day 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:17.239 of rappers. Crooked Eye was here this morning. Crookedized one 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:20.440 of them guys. Definitely definitely welcome man, Big Crick, that's good, bro. 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:24.000 You were telling me we just left this Girl Talk 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:27.360 you we're gonna get to your album, but you wiz 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:31.560 smoked this Girl Talk. This album kind of came out 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:34.240 of nowhere. I'm not even gonna lie here. Definitely did it. 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:36.839 I mean, but we worked on it in twenty nineteen 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:39.880 and it's just crazy. The time and the music. It 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:42.239 just makes a lot of sense right now too. I mean, 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:45.599 everybody's back outside. These are all my brothers, and we've 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:48.160 been rocking with each other for years from the jump. Yeah, 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:50.320 and that shit was just so organic, bro, Like it 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:53.280 was we literally one day in the studio, Girl Talk 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:55.360 had all the crazy ass beats to the point where 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:58.720 once we did it, Girl Talk did all the mixing, 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:02.240 you know, arranged everything secrets. And I literally just heard 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:04.480 the album last week. That's crazy, and I was like, 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:07.559 and I trust the homiecause I know he's very meticulous 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:11.080 with music, and so I'm hearing the breakdown of the 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:12.800 song I got on there and I'm like, damn, you 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:15.360 chopped the fuck out of the beat, and I'm listening 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:17.560 to it for the like, oh shit, you got a 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:21.240 different appreciation too as a producer. Yeah, yeah, you guys 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:24.920 dis a whiz in yourself. I feel like all kind 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:29.880 of will be kind of somewhat tied together forever, just 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:32.640 based on and currency obviously, but just based on the 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:37.240 Smokers Club on obviously, the records early on in Christian 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:40.680 Orange Juice, Cushion, Orange Juice and the Glasshouse and all that. Like, 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:43.959 I feel like this is a kind of a nostalgic 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:46.880 project for guys like myself who missed that era of 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:48.920 hip hop what we like to call maybe the early 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:55.280 blog era, early blog era. What Like, I guess for you, 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:59.080 what was your thought process in saying like, yeah, this 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:01.440 is this feels cause you know, Wiz has got to 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:03.720 like going on, You gotta like going on. This is 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:05.600 doing a whole lot of shit. He's doing weed, he's 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:10.720 on podcasts, the albums, everything I heard that you guys 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:13.200 did this in one day, yeah, one session, yeah, and 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:17.560 then everybody else had solo records with Girl Talk before that, 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:19.560 I'm sure, and that gave us the opportunity to have 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:23.160 our own, like individual songs. But I think, man, it 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:25.519 was for me it was a breath of fresh air. 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:27.720 It was the kind of album where not only did 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:29.720 we not expect to do it, and we just fucking 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:31.760 got into like, oh, this is gonna come out crazy, 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:34.720 but not having the pressure of it thinking about it 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:37.919 like it's a label album kind of thing or all 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:40.720 you gotta be very calculated. We was like, fuck it, 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:43.640 we're making jam and ass music and then put it 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:46.480 together and it's out now, you know. And for me, 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:49.640 I needed this opportunity with the homies too, because it 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:51.920 just reminds me of why I even do it and 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:55.079 when I started in the field of that and we 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:57.200 as being the first person I even went on tour with, 0:02:57.520 --> 0:02:59.520 you know, back in twenty ten. So it's like, man, 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:02.560 we it's a different kind of you know, family friendship, 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:05.240 especially in this music industry. That Bro, we came together 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:07.240 the mace of jam shit literally just had fun. Bro. 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:10.280 Which tour was the twenty ten tour Chrishion Orangeices that 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:13.760 was the original Cushion Oranges stead Bro. I literally, yeah, 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:17.160 we was out there, you know, you were like like 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:19.000 when you when you hear a record like glass House 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:20.840 and like kind of like when we think back to 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:23.080 like maybe how important that record was and how it 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:27.600 kind of just helped it really kind of I think 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:30.640 it helped everyone out. And it's such a cultural like 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:36.240 I think of one train, right, that's another one of those. Definitely, 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:38.080 I think a glass House is like one of those 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:42.040 as well. It just kind of encapsulated that time period 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:47.560 in south By Southwest, south By Southwest, free mixtapes, bucket Man, 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:50.760 do every show you can standing on you know, not 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:53.360 even on the stage, just freestyle and sit in the street. 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:55.920 How often you go back and listen to that record? 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:57.760 And like what memories is that record given? You bring 0:03:57.800 --> 0:03:59.960 a lot of memories people. People won't you know, I mean, 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:02.640 to perform that song, I don't You're the best. You 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:04.360 had the best verse on that rackd I mean, I mean, 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:07.400 thank you, you know, I appreciate that. But for me, 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:11.280 it was just like I think respectfully, they know, I mean, look, 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:14.680 I will say the way that record came about and 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:18.159 then what happened with my career after was because the 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:21.400 Homies was definitely not only crushing it, but Cushion Orange 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:23.520 Juice was I mean, I think it was about to 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:26.920 come out and just the excitement behind everybody and kind 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:28.359 of be a new artists and we were getting our 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:31.800 own separate deals, and the doing that record put me 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:33.520 put my name in front of a lot of people 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:36.120 that wasn't aware of what I was doing, because was 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:39.480 Glasshouse before Creit was here? Yeah, I think Glasshouse we 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:43.120 did that twenty ten March. I think Cruiser came out 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:45.240 in April or May. I was about to say it 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:47.200 felt like it was like a like right before, Yeah, 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:49.080 And so that that put me in a lot of 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:52.080 people cars and me, who is this motherfucker? And then 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:54.640 between the beat because even the kind of track I 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:57.520 don't the homies wouldn't necessarily always rap on that kind 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:00.760 of kind of thing too. And so after that, going 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:02.680 on tour, being able to perform that with Wiz in 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:04.920 the currency just kind of kept putting my name out 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:07.159 there up until we did a two thousand Living Double 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:09.160 x CeAl cover. That's when people really saw who I was, 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:10.800 because I wouldn't even put my face on covers and 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:13.280 ships didn't know what the fuck I looked like. That's real. 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:15.720 You were kind of you were a little key early on. Yeah, 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.080 you know, and so you your face wasn't on any 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:22.440 of the artwork, very very just the brand create name. 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:25.919 And I remember going out on the road with Wiz 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:28.880 and then Black and Yellow had took off while he 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:31.039 was on the road and just I was living in Vegas. 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:34.200 I think that ship was so crazy, bro, and the 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:37.320 energy and I know it was still thousands people didn't 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:40.039 know idea who the fuck I was, but it definitely 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:42.680 gave me opportunity a platform to get new fans. Yeah, 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:44.520 that was That was a moment. Black and Yellow was 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:47.520 one of the macas like oh it's got one now, 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:51.640 Like okay, at the one one the ones here because 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:53.800 before that I was like okay, he's up next. But yeah, 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:56.920 but once you catch one of them, that shit took off. Bro. Yeah, 0:05:57.040 --> 0:05:59.320 if it put you in a different sphere, for sure. 0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:03.560 I what I also appreciate is I actually recently got 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:06.080 to purchase crit was here on vinyl. Hey we thank you. 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:07.880 I was out a MEBA and I was surprised to 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:11.200 see it. Yeah, and I was like, wait a minute, shit, 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:13.400 I don't know if it's a bootlegger. I hope not, 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:16.680 but no, I mean, it was just amazing to be 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:19.000 able to have that out on streaming platforms for people 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:20.560 to listen to it. Now, I was gonna say, like, 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:23.720 I know that was an uphill battle. I mean, because 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:26.320 you wanted. It's not only sample clearances, I mean and 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:29.720 me is also the thought process behind not wanting it 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:33.039 to sound, not wanting to lose clean it up too much, 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:36.240 wanting people still get that same feel. Some records didn't 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:38.040 make it, you know, something that had to change, But 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:40.640 it's still a blessing man, all these years to be 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:42.600 able to put that out and people actually wanted to listen. 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:44.560 I'm just happy that I don't have to go to 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:47.520 that PIF anymore. Yeah ah yeah on YouTube and it 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:50.040 cut off after the YouTube is the worst. Yeah. So 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:52.200 you know, but no, we out here man, and it's 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:54.280 just to have a catalog is a beautiful thing, too, 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:57.040 Broder and you have a catalog, I was like, over 0:06:57.080 --> 0:06:59.600 four hundred fucking songs. You have four hundred songs on 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:03.400 DSP to got to do at this point, that makes sense? Yeah, 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:08.320 so how many albums officially? Now that teen ten albums? Wow? Yeah, 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:13.160 I think Mina will stay ten. Yeah. So and in 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:16.520 still having the hunger to do this. That's not even 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:19.240 including the little EPs you dropped like four years ago, 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:24.080 freestyle ships and all that, all the features combined, definitely 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:25.960 got a lot of music out here with features combined 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:30.520 your over four hundred year wild Now. Yeah, here's a 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:34.280 song I recently, uh just came up on my YouTube. 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:36.160 I don't know, I was just listening to music and 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:38.200 it was the fullest ship record you did with Oh 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:44.880 yeah Yellow. Yeah that record is disrespectful. Verse on that 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:48.560 song is so I'm like, bro, if you dropped this 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:51.720 in twenty twenty two, you're getting Yeah, but that ship 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:55.120 was damning for what the time period? But no, we can't. Yeah, 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:57.000 they got that shit, gotta stay back there. The hook 0:07:57.040 --> 0:08:00.280 alone is just yes, I guess I'm full. Yeah, Yeah, 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:05.080 that's real. Let's talk about digital roses don't die, sir. 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:08.760 Love the title thank You. I think it fits the 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:12.720 vibe of this project. You've dabbled with some funky shit 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:15.360 in the past, but I feel like with this album 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:19.320 you fully committed to just a different vibe than when 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:21.280 we get in the car and press play on a 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:24.120 Crest album. Yeah, where's your head? Where's your head out? 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:26.520 When you're making this project and it sounds amazing. I 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:29.600 think you executed it amazingly. Thank you. I mean, for me, 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:32.360 I just didn't want to drop an album coming out 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:35.880 of twenty twenty twenty twenty one that sounded like what 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:38.840 people know me for. I wanted to change and show 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:41.880 the kind of growth not only I've gotten mentally, but 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:46.160 musically and grounded and comfortable like I it's okay for 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:48.720 me to make a funky record or sing on my 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:52.280 entire You sound great singing many bas you sound good. 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:56.160 Not too much? Yeah, who isn't using tunes? Let's be honest, 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:58.360 but a little fucker's using tune on the rapping verses. 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:00.439 But the thing was too bro, It's like you can't. 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:03.200 There's nobody the feature for you in your life. Right, 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:05.520 So been writing this album, it's like if it's a 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:08.080 love album, the only two voices that you hear constantly 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:11.280 is me and this amazing singer named Roland, right, and 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:13.680 it's this back and forth for me and this woman 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:17.640 kind of relationship thing. And so records like Generational way Down, 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:20.360 It's my story, is how I feel. So despite how 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:22.400 many notes I might hit this bed, I have to 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:25.000 sing this because it's how it's I wrote it, and 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:28.360 it's it's my personal experience. And so starting to think 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:31.160 about music like that kind of changed how I even 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:34.600 approach your album at this point, right. And it's amazing 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:36.400 that the Girl Talk album is coming out because I 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:39.440 get to be young spirits, you know, maybe people that 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:43.400 missed that Glass House Country ship for myself, and that's cool, 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:45.400 But that was in my twenties. You know, I'm in 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:48.160 my thirties and I'm supposed to grow, and your fans 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:50.559 are growing, manah, I mean, shit, they got kids, most 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:52.319 of them facts, you know what I'm saying. Or they 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:55.040 then went through the college experience and they're trying to 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:56.800 get they house, you know, and how many I mean, 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:59.280 if you're thinking twenty ten was doing, I mean that's 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:02.400 twelve years. Yeah, but I started. My first part just 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:05.079 came out in two thousand and four. That's crazy, you 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:07.680 know what I'm saying. And so I've been I've done 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:11.160 that and I've been in eighteen years. Yeah bro, Yeah, 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:13.440 first beat ever made was in nineteen ninety nine, so 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:15.480 this is two thousand and one. I dropped my first 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:20.360 mixtape in my city. It Lily was twenty one years ago. Yeah, yep. 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:22.920 So it's like I've been doing it to be able 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:24.959 to be as vulnerable as I was on this album, 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:27.440 to make a record like more than Roses and have 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:30.439 that flu the dude killed it. That was the closest 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:33.040 thing I've ever got to making something really Hutch would 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:35.560 make something, and I just felt that way, you know, 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:38.160 and to me, that's what I do this for, bro, 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:41.120 I gotta challenge myself. It just gave me like a 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:46.080 really like timeless feel like this shit will live in 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:48.319 like ten years. It could have lived in nineteen seventy eight. 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:50.920 It could actually and if you go with it, if 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:53.480 you're in a relationship, it's something in this album that's 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:56.120 for you. Yeah, you might be you might not be 0:10:56.280 --> 0:11:00.480 with it now, but you don't worry. You'll go. You're 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:02.839 gonna go through one of these motherfucker tracks, you know. No. 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:05.480 I love the title too, just like because we live 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:08.880 in a world in which everything is digital, and you know, 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:12.480 what was your motivation to that digital? Roses don't die? 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:15.200 There was two different perspectives. The first one was the 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:18.520 fact that we document our relationships in a sense, and 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:20.520 even if you're not with that person, that stuff is 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:22.560 still out there to sea still on the Internet. They 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:25.160 could bring you down or it can encourage you, depending 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:27.600 on how you feel. I didn't think that. But in 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:30.640 the grander scheme, we've been digital way longer than when 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:32.880 we think. My dad showed me a picture of my 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:34.960 sent me a picture of my grandparents when they were 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:37.840 super young together, and then I'm looking at this and 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:39.840 I'm like, this is a digital rose. You know, neither 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:41.439 one of my grandparents are here, but this has been 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:43.960 passed down from generation to generation and now I'm gonna 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:45.560 get to pass it down to my kids as well. 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:48.680 So this is way bigger than it just being the Internet. 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:52.840 This is your own personal experience and journey being documented 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:55.240 and people get to look back at it, and it 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:57.599 goes from not only the people in the picture, but 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:00.000 who took the photo, what was happening during that time, 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:03.320 Iron period. You know, we're seeing pictures of people that 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:06.880 deal with the Spanish fluid and mask. Everybody saw that. 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:09.800 Now we we we got photos like that, we got 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:12.280 we got documented time. We're gonna be like, yeah, we're 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:14.199 living we're living in history right now. We don't even 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:15.640 realize it because we're in it. Like, man, what the 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:17.920 fuck are they wearing from now, we're going to look 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.720 back and be like, y'all remember crazy then two years 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:23.800 were crazy, And so for me, it's just about expressing 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:26.800 it and wanting people to really take heed and document 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:30.080 and and give those roses today to each other. Now 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:33.600 it's very important. I'm glad you did this collab project 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:36.559 because we've always been teased with you doing collab projects 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:39.640 as artists and they've never happened. You and Yellow the 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:42.400 Country cousins, and then me and Saw I had a 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:44.599 conversation and you and so Highway did. I don't know 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:46.880 who would out wrap too, but that would have been like, yeah, 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:48.600 and he's a he's a monster. That would have been 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:54.079 like spy versus spy. He's a monster. So it's and 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:56.600 but these this, this, this kind of gave me the 0:12:56.640 --> 0:13:00.640 confidence moving forward to like, I listen listen lab more 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:03.839 because it's if for me, it's I have to let 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:05.880 go of the rains a little bit too. Not wanting 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:07.920 to produce. I'm gonna say, because you handle so much 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:10.400 of the creative process for all of your music, I 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:12.800 feel back this time. I mean it was a collective 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:14.840 off fort us being in the studio so we trust 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:18.400 each other's cook writing capabilities. We know who verse will 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:20.920 sound better first or second. You know what I'm saying, Oh, 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:22.839 I don't even need to be on that song. That's 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:25.840 all you broke as you snapping and having that kind 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:28.680 of confidence in your skill. That's what makes the album 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:30.920 jamming because we know we're all gonna snap, you know 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:34.160 what I'm saying. So that's real. Yeah, if you uh, 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:36.640 you're one of the you know, there's some great producers 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:39.480 slash artists. Obviously Kanye J. Cole don't get enough love 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:43.120 for that. Ja Cole was he don't produce as much 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:46.719 as he used to. It's taxing too, though, Bro, when 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:49.240 you sitting there having to make the beat right the hood, 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:52.680 you know, do the verse, it's a challenge. I feel like, 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:55.640 what was it? The last was it? The last album 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:57.560 was the first time you kind of totally were like 0:13:57.640 --> 0:13:59.200 it is here. I was like, Yo, you were like 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:03.000 one record now Blue Flame Ballet, which was see but 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:05.000 I was still I was letting people know that was 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:07.840 a great fucking record, like that I'm gonna go this way, 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:11.120 you know, but and that. But even working with them 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:14.440 showed me that it's ways of me trying to work 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:16.800 on music that I don't have to stick with samples 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:19.520 anymore or even the idea of it. So if you're 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:23.120 listening to digital roses don't die. There's no samples. And 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:26.760 I was gonna say, like producing an album like this 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:29.280 where there's live instrumentation, you talked about bringing in a 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:31.720 food player. Yeah, that's got to add a different element 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:35.040 to just your whole process. That's gotta be kind of fun. Oh, 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:37.480 it was fun, But then it's it's also makes it 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:39.520 a little bit more difficult, right, I'm about to say, 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:41.880 but it's scary because you funk off and goes so 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:44.960 like it's like that thousand digitals thing. It's like, oh, 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:47.480 I'm gonna put this in and put this in, spending 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:49.640 months on a record and a little bit more expensive 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:51.560 to then play it for people and they don't get 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.400 what the fuck you where you're going with it? Like 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:56.800 I'm gonna take this risk, and that's and then and 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:58.720 I took it. I really took that risks because I 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:00.960 remember even when I did the the record show you, right, 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:03.680 they went through so many versions of that song before. 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:05.520 When I would play it, people would get it. But 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:08.000 in the beginning, it was like, they still don't get it. 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:10.200 I got to holler at the homie Modre so he 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:13.000 can do the talkbox, so I can defunk, so you 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:15.400 can actually feel where I'm going, and these elements can 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:20.080 change the listener's ear quickly. Yeah, it was definitely a risk, 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:22.080 but I think there's a few people who could pull 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:24.080 pull that ship off. I'm not sure you're capable of 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:27.760 doing anything really terrible. If I did, you would never 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:30.280 hear it, yes, cause I know I know I'd have 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:32.400 made some ship, but you'll never hear you know what 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:34.240 I'm saying. But that's a that's a part of the 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:37.760 creative process. Like it normally starts in the morning. I 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:40.240 give me some good piano chords going, and I go 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:43.040 to singing. Then by that time I'm shooting the ideal 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:44.920 over the Dutch, like, bro, what you think about this? 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:47.920 And then through through on just playing it through the 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:50.320 speaker and like that's hard, and then I just keep 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:53.960 building from there. Talk to me about your death jam Era, 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:58.880 because as a fan, it was extremely frustrating because I'd 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:02.120 always I guess when you ended up at death jam 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:05.480 I was like, oh, now this it's it's going down right, 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:08.520 and we at the hip hop Michle what Death Jam 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:12.920 finally's got the machine behind because just cinematic Yeah okay 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:17.400 at the time, and I just felt like, at least 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:20.880 from a fans perspective, they grossly mishandled you or just 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:23.160 just not did not know what to do with big Critic. Well, 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:27.960 the building that signed me, like I think two weeks 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:30.520 a month later was gone. That happens a lot, and 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:34.400 then you you already kind of starting off rocky because 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:36.400 you got working with the people that may have been 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:38.960 people who believed in you, that brought you in. Y're gone. 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:41.640 And man, I was determined and shout out the shot 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:43.880 money and my team. I was determined to produce my 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:46.680 first album no matter what I was like, Man, there 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:48.560 was a gold and it was something that I needed 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:51.280 to do for myself because it was that idea old 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:54.520 crit sign watched it ship change up, so I just 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:56.360 like fucked that, you know. And then I went right 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:59.000 into doing all the beats and wanting to keep it 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:02.040 the same way I did with the mixtapes and what 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:04.400 with the projects at the time. And so what happened 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:06.920 is the samples of some samples I couldn't clear some 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:09.560 features I couldn't get. Then when you mixing that kind 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:11.920 of stuff and you having to remove things off the whim, 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:15.119 it just changed the narrative of what the album originally 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:18.440 would have felt like because I couldn't get sample clearances, 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:20.280 and we fought for a lot of the records and 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:23.240 I had the change them. Shits like three days before 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:24.760 I had to turn the album me in kind of stuff. 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:27.240 And I've been listening to this live from underground song 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:31.080 a certain kind of way, and I gotta I gotta 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:33.240 change it. I gotta get this piano played, but try 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:35.200 to make it sound old. But you know what it's 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:37.880 like when you sample something then you try to recreate it. 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:41.639 Sometimes it's not quite right. But in that album, we 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:44.280 showed people that just because you're not getting the label 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:46.119 support and they don't know what to do it, it 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:48.280 doesn't mean that people aren't gonna buy it. It was 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:51.680 a great album. Yeah, And and my supporters came through, 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:53.800 and then first we sales. My fuckers looking at us 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:55.920 like how did y'all do that? I was like, mean, y'all, 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:59.000 like I have they my people, they come out, you know. 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:02.760 But even with singles, trying to get the single pushed 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:05.199 and then ship we dropped money on the floor in 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:09.639 twenty eleven September. My album didn't come out till June 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:13.560 twenty twelve, so I had literally trying to promote you 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:17.840 single for damn a year. Okay, So crit was here 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:21.520 came out when in Return to Forever dropped twenty eleven. 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:23.920 It came out March, and Them was the third tape 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:27.639 before the album. The day I dropped to think about 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:29.840 that I had in order to keep the momentum going. 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:31.879 I knew how because Forever the day you already were 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:33.959 on death jam, right, I had to drop something in 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:38.880 order to keep keeping You're like, I mean, between you 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:41.320 and Wiz and I'm probably forgetting, but you guys have 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:44.960 the albums that weren't albums, but they were albums. I mean, 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:47.600 but that was the best way to keep people engaged. 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:50.360 It was free, you know, they weren't mixtapes. They were 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:52.879 like this new thing where people were just giving away 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:56.760 real albums. That was the best. That was your best 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:59.280 calling card at the time, though, Like and then if 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:01.240 you any for me, it was like, man, I want 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:03.720 to make sure that this project competes with these major 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:06.880 label albums, regardless of how I'm doing it in my room. 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:09.520 We drop it randomly, and that's what he did. To 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:11.439 the point people was like, for and Day should have 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:14.040