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Speaker 1: Hello Texans, Welcome to the show originating from the Scouting

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Speaker 1: Combine in Indianapolis. Mark Vandermer, John Harris with you and

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Speaker 1: another massive program for you tonight.

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Speaker 1: Look, we had Demiko Ryan's on Tuesday, Nick Cassio on Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: on Medium Rowe at the Combine. Also, Jordan Reid is

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Speaker 1: going to join us in a few moments. ESPN Draft Expert.

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Speaker 1: Not as good as Johnny. I'm kidding, Jordan, Actually I'm not. Well,

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Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll fight it out later and a bit

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Speaker 1: later on we'll have Andrews Siciliano, formerly of NFL Network

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Speaker 1: Red Zone on DirecTV and voice of the Cleveland Browns.

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Speaker 1: Matt money Smith, who is formerly of NFL Network. Boy,

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Speaker 1: we got a lot of former NFL Network people around here.

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Speaker 1: He's also the voice of the Chargers, does a lot

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Speaker 1: of college basketball as well. He's in the house, but

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Speaker 1: Johnny a few things to get to here. Uh and

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Speaker 1: in no particular order. Fun to see Travis Hunter up

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Speaker 1: there at the podium, getting a lot of attention, a

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Speaker 1: lot of love from the media, and he's out there

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Speaker 1: with the DBS. But he's wide receiver one. Is he

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Speaker 1: not in this draft? Is he a top rated wide

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Speaker 1: receiver in this draft?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I think more teams.

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Speaker 4: It sounds like more teams are looking at him as

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Speaker 4: as a wide receiver than than they are as a

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Speaker 4: defensive back. But I think that actually works in his favor.

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Speaker 4: To be honest, I think if I'm if I'm a

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Speaker 4: I think of Champ Bailey and Champs last year at

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Speaker 4: Georgia many many many years ago, he would play full

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Speaker 4: time dB and then he would spot a receiver. But

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Speaker 4: I think Champ Bailey was a dB. I think Travis

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Speaker 4: Hunter is a wide receiver. So to me, I think

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Speaker 4: he's got everything you're looking for wide receiver, and I

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Speaker 4: think when he focuses on that, I say, one hundred

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Speaker 4: percent of time. But he's he's gonna play. Let's say

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Speaker 4: you play your majority of your reps there at wide receiver.

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Speaker 4: He can go play thirty reps at star at the

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Speaker 4: nickel right and be that third corner inside. You think

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Speaker 4: about adding Travis to your you know, to your coverage,

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Speaker 4: to your coverage, It's like wow, So I think that's

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Speaker 4: the way teams are gonna look at him. But all

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Speaker 4: teams are gonna look differently because of what their needs are.

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Speaker 4: Like for us, let's say Travis Hunter was.

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Speaker 2: Available for us, what will we be looking at him as.

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Speaker 4: We look at him as a receiver, and that he

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Speaker 4: could come in and be the nickel cover corner and

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Speaker 4: you free up peach me to do some different things

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Speaker 4: and Kaylin to do some different things, and all of

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Speaker 4: a sudden you're locking up with sting Travis Hunter and

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Speaker 1: But State, Let's say, hey, I can play receiver too,

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Speaker 1: Let's do it.

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Speaker 3: Let's let's have.

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Speaker 1: A single platoon team. Actually, we'd be in good shape

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Speaker 4: So the DBS talk today, and that's why Travis was

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Speaker 4: up there. And I'll say this, we've been we've been

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Speaker 4: here in this building since probably sixteen seventeen maybe, and

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Speaker 4: they've had this kind of this podium setup.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a core session. Yeah, that was a

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And I remember when CJ.

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Speaker 4: In fact, I've got a photo from CJ up and

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Speaker 2: That's what Travis was like today. It was like wow.

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Speaker 4: And it threw me off for a second because I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I was like, why is Travis going today? They got

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Speaker 2: So I don't know if he comes back during the wide.

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Speaker 4: Receiver availability, But yeah, it was a you know, Will

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Speaker 2: It was a good crowd, not even sniffing what Travis

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Speaker 5: All right.

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Speaker 1: Before we get to Jordan Reid thoughts on using lasers

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, okay, great, but to me, I don't

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Speaker 4: the spotting of the ball. Yeah, it's the spotting of

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Speaker 1: There's obviously a way to do it, because look, I

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Speaker 1: puck glow in hockey, there's a way with the Hawkeye

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Speaker 4: It is just felt like the spotting of the ball.

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Speaker 4: Nobody's ever really kind of studied a game and said.

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Speaker 1: Okay, how many bad spots are how many bad spots

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Speaker 4: I thought about that. To me, that's that's the bigger issue. Okay, lasers,

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Speaker 4: that's great, But there's something sort of romantic about the

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Speaker 4: chain gang and I I kind of like him, and

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Speaker 4: obviously I'm down there near them, and so I've always kind.

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Speaker 2: Of struck up cabs with those guys.

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Speaker 3: Back up.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's fine, But to me, it's the.

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Speaker 4: Spotting of the ball. I think he need spot the

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Speaker 2: And if you do that, then okay, lasers or whatever, alright,

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Speaker 3: I look at the chain gang. I know the coaches,

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Speaker 2: Players?

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Speaker 4: Do you need the chain gang? Remember that playoff game

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Speaker 4: remember that, ye, and Duke looked to the sideline. You

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Speaker 2: He looked for it. He looked for where that was.

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Speaker 1: That yellow line you see on TV does not exist

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Speaker 2: But he didn't have that. But the stick has the

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Speaker 2: So he looked at it.

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Speaker 1: Well, now they're going to a pilot. Really upgraded it. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's get to this. Now it is draft time, sort

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Speaker 1: of because free agency is gonna come before the draft.

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Speaker 1: But guys like Jordan Reid break down the draft. He

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Speaker 1: does it for ESPN, and we caught up with him.

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Speaker 1: Jordan Guess, Jordan Reid, ESPN Draft Expert, all the ESPN platforms,

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Speaker 1: ESPN dot Com, ESPN twelve, wherever you want to find ESPN.

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Speaker 3: Jordan has a go great to see it.

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Speaker 5: Happy to be here once again. It feels like we

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Speaker 5: five days ago. So happy to see you guys again.

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Speaker 1: Well you're in that draft seat three hundred and sixty

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Speaker 1: five days a year, right, I mean, you really love

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Speaker 1: doing this, So what really drew you to it? I

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Speaker 1: know we talked a little bit about this last year,

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Speaker 1: but I know it's such a passion for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: For me is figuring out two phases of these guys.

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Speaker 5: What I mean by that is who are these guys

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Speaker 5: you know, judge a player. Everybody has their own opinions

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Speaker 5: or takes. But what I take Friday and enjoy in

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Speaker 5: is finding out the background of these guys, what makes

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Speaker 2: Jordan, you and not talked to Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 4: One things that we talked about is and I love

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Speaker 4: doing this too, is getting the opportunity to call college

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Speaker 4: maybe you get him in a production meeting things like that.

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Speaker 4: What does that? What does it mean for you to

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Speaker 4: be able to do that and then add that to

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Speaker 4: your draft analysis of particular players.

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Speaker 5: So I always love using analogies when I'm talking about

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Speaker 5: football and scouting to me, is like buying a car

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Speaker 5: and you can look online. You can see the price,

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Speaker 5: you can see the miles on it, but nothing really

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Speaker 5: test drive it. So that's what I compare live scouting

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Speaker 5: The price is within my price range, there's not a

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Speaker 5: lot of things that you don't see on TV. How

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Speaker 5: he encouraging his teammates, does he tank it? Does he

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Speaker 5: So just little mannerisms like that. Of course, you get

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Speaker 3: Jordan Reid covers the draft for ESPN.

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Speaker 1: Jordan, there's two ways of looking at this, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: or maybe more than two. But there's your list of

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Speaker 1: where you think these players are, how good you think

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Speaker 3: And there's mock drafts.

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Speaker 1: This team might take this guy a little higher because

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Speaker 1: I think they might need him, or whatever the case

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Speaker 1: may be. How do you measure all of that when

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Speaker 1: you're evaluating this class or any class.

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, you're always gonna have your own evaluation.

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Speaker 5: I'm never one to look at consensus or look at

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Speaker 5: other people's rankings just because I'm going through the year,

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Speaker 5: and I'm stacking the guys that I like. I'm stacking

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Speaker 5: the guys that I may differ from some other people.

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Speaker 5: And then you're talking to people in the league as well,

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Speaker 5: just to see how they feel about these guys. And

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Speaker 5: about that could be in this draft class. So it's

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Speaker 5: just a matter of starting in the summer really stacking

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Speaker 5: those guys by position. I always watch them by position,

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Speaker 5: more notable name guys. Will always start with the ones

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Speaker 2: Jordan Jordan. It's the effort that count.

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Speaker 1: Like, okay, he swarrem me, okay, swarmy, swarmy, very swarmy.

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Speaker 2: We like very much so. And we've got some Arizona

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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, you rest the gold trying to raid joining

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Speaker 5: So it comes down to one question, and one question

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Speaker 5: Nobody knows that right now, but I'm higher on cam

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Speaker 4: Okay, I don't want you to give this away if

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Speaker 4: It really gets interesting at quarterback three. Yes, do you

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Speaker 1: Since you brought it up, Johnny and Jordan Reid with

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Speaker 1: us from ESPN, the under center thing. Do we overplay

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Speaker 1: that sometimes because aren't the majority of snaps for most

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Speaker 1: NFL quarterbacks now in the gun? We're close to it

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Speaker 1: if I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, look at what we did last year with CJ

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Speaker 2: with Bobby.

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Speaker 4: Bobby wanted him under center because that was that was

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Speaker 4: the moot, the moot game was gonna come off for that.

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Speaker 2: They needing him under center to be able to do that.

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Speaker 5: There's so much more you can add when you go

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Speaker 5: under center, and to the defense, the picture looks different.

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Speaker 5: As a linebacker, when I'm in shotgun, I basically already

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Speaker 5: know what you're doing. But under center, I can give

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Speaker 5: the illusion of play action. It looks much better and

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Speaker 5: much cleaner to those linebackers or excuse me, it gives

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Speaker 5: them the illusion and it makes their mind swim a little.

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Speaker 5: When you go under center, just because I think you

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Speaker 5: sell the run much better when you go under center,

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Speaker 5: just because a lot of things can look the same

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Speaker 5: when we're talking about play actions or when you actually

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Speaker 5: run the football.

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Speaker 2: And that's the other thing. When you're run into football

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Speaker 2: from the gun, the angle.

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Speaker 4: And everything for the running back can be totally and

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Speaker 4: some running backs can't see it like they can see

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Speaker 4: it under center, and where they want to go with

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Speaker 4: their path is But and I realized this when I

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Speaker 4: was watching Basehelle touton from out of Virginia Tech. Like

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Speaker 4: he's his good running zone game out of the gun,

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Speaker 4: and I was like, man, I think that's an asset

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Speaker 4: for him, because you don't you got to be able

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Speaker 4: to If you got a running back that's able to

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Speaker 4: do that, okay, maybe you can stay in gun a

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Speaker 4: little bit longer, maybe your quarterback's a little bit more

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Speaker 4: comfortable doing that.

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Speaker 2: But he's rare.

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Speaker 4: It's very it's very rare to find a running back

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Speaker 4: that's able to do that, Like like he's able to

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Speaker 4: do and he's a fun running back.

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Speaker 1: We could look at later, Jordan, how much of what

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Speaker 1: happens here affects how you evaluate these guys? How important

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Speaker 1: is the combine to you as a draft evaluator.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's very important, but you have to make sure

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Speaker 5: you stay measured as well and understand that this is

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Speaker 5: just another piece to the puzzle. Now it's an important piece,

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Speaker 5: but you have to make sure that you vary a

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Speaker 5: lot of things. And I always use the combine, as

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Speaker 5: you know, used to confirm or deny maybe some things

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Speaker 5: that I saw on tape. So, for instance, I always

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Speaker 5: love watching the position drills for running backs just because

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Speaker 5: there's a lot of guys that were not asked to

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Speaker 5: catch the football in college, just because maybe they were

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Speaker 5: not part of the progression in college. But now when

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Speaker 5: we see them go through those bag drills and they're

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Speaker 5: asked to catch the ball, now you're seeing guys that

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Speaker 5: may be more natural hands catchers or guys that fight

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Speaker 5: the ball. So now I can go back to my

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Speaker 5: notes and say, hey, this guy can be an asset

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Speaker 5: in the passing game that we can build in some

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Speaker 5: routes around as opposed to you know, just putting them

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Speaker 5: on a swing route or just a check down over

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Speaker 5: the ball. So little things like that I always love

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Speaker 5: about the combine.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think those are the same things you can

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Speaker 4: find I like the individual drills.

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Speaker 2: I mean the testing is a testing four three or

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Speaker 2: it's four three. I mean, okay, great ran four to three.

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Speaker 4: But it's some of that individual testing. And the other

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Speaker 4: thing too, is like you know you're drafting'll say you

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Speaker 4: draft a running back. You're drafting a running back from

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Speaker 4: that group, so you kind of want to see how

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Speaker 4: he compares to the rest of the group. And so

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Speaker 4: when they're doing the same drill, you're kind of like,

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Speaker 4: well man, that dude is at a different level, and

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Speaker 4: you rob Jackson Dart like Jackson's a really good example

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Speaker 4: at the Senior Bowl, as you watch the quarterbacks throw

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Speaker 4: the ball, and I don't know, Senior Bowl had the

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Speaker 4: greatest group of quarterbacks, but when you watch Jackson throw

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Speaker 4: it versus everybody else, you're like, you may not see

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Speaker 4: the quarterback, but you could see the ball thrown and

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Speaker 4: you're like, okay, Jackson Dart through that ball, like there

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Speaker 4: was a difference.

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Speaker 5: It comes out his hand a little him.

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Speaker 4: Versus everybody else. In that regard, it was like Walter

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Speaker 4: Nolan too. You could watch Walter Nolan do one on

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Speaker 4: ones and you watch everybody and you watch them all

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Speaker 4: together and you're like.

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Speaker 2: You see it. You see Nolan.

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Speaker 4: Half a step faster to a step faster than anybody,

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Speaker 4: So you get the comparison aspect too, amongst that group

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Speaker 4: that you're actually watching.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Jordan, what do you like better this is your

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Speaker 1: last one Senior Bowl or combine what's the better event

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Speaker 1: for you that you enjoy more?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 5: For me, I always like seeing the competition, So it's

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Speaker 5: the Senior Bowl for me seeing guys go against the

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Speaker 5: best in the country. And if you have questions about

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Speaker 5: small school prospects, now you're seeing them go against the

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Speaker 5: best of the best competition. So now you're seeing, Okay,

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Speaker 5: this guy may be able to translate or you don't

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Speaker 5: have any more questions that you may have had coming

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Speaker 5: into the event. Like for example, Grey's Abel, the offensive

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Speaker 5: offensive lineman from North Dakota State this year who I

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Speaker 5: thought was the best regardless of position at this year's

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Speaker 5: draft last I thought he was fantastic throughout the week.

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Speaker 5: But playing against the FCS competition, him dominating those guys

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Speaker 5: that he's going through throughout the season, You're like, these

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Speaker 5: guys that he's going against, they're probably gonna be lawyers

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Speaker 5: and you know, work, working, elsewhere outside of football, but

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Speaker 5: now he's going against guys like you know, Walter Nolan

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Speaker 5: that we're talking about, and then some of the other

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Speaker 5: fantastic defensive linemen that we saw down there.

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Speaker 1: Jordan, thanks so much for joining us. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: We look forward to seeing everything he got on ESPN.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, guys, is always always a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: There's Jordan Reid from ESPN breaking down draft stuff. Next up,

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Speaker 1: we will catch up with Matt money Smith, formerly of

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Speaker 1: NFL Network. He does college basketball on the radio. He's

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Speaker 1: the voice of the LA Chargers and he's got a

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Speaker 1: lot to say about the league and some stuff about

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Speaker 1: LA as well. Andrews Sosiliano after him. It's coming up

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Speaker 1: on Texans Radio, continuing our show here from the NFL

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Speaker 1: Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. Mark Vandermair and John Harris with you.

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Speaker 1: Another show from here tomorrow with Greg co Sell. So

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Speaker 1: you don't want to miss that right out of a

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Speaker 1: shoot at six o'clock unless there's some breaking news. We

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Speaker 1: have to get to Matt money Smith. You've seen him

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Speaker 1: for years on NFL Network. He also is the voice

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Speaker 1: of the LA Chargers and he was at an RG

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Speaker 1: stadium for the playoff game. Of course, does a lot

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Speaker 1: of college basketball is well broadcasting, and we visit with

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Speaker 1: him on media row. When we last met, it didn't

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Speaker 1: go that well for the Chargers. It's great to see

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Speaker 1: you right now. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 6: Mark. It's great to be back under more friendly circumstances.

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Speaker 6: Fel good about the first half and then did it

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Speaker 6: change that last thirty minutes of football?

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Speaker 2: But that's a great way to start an interview with

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Speaker 2: a guy. Hey that they sided it, Yes, but the Chargers.

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Speaker 4: Did make a pretty significant change from from twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: three to twenty twenty four. Jim obviously was a big

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Speaker 4: part of that. Jim Marble, the head coach, Justin Herbert

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Speaker 4: make it, you know, was incredible up until that game.

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Speaker 4: Then struggle with interceptions. Where are the Chargers going, Matt

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Speaker 4: in your eyes when you see them headed, especially with

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Speaker 4: Justin Herbert.

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Speaker 6: Leading the charge, you know, I think it's that the

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Speaker 6: playoff game I think was good for them. I think

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Speaker 6: they might have gone through the season at you know,

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Speaker 6: eleven and six and you were favorite heavily going into

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Speaker 6: that playoff game, maybe felt a little bit better about

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Speaker 6: where they were versus where they really were. You know,

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Speaker 6: you always hear at the cliche everything gets exposed in

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Speaker 6: the playoffs, whatever your weaknesses are. And I think you

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Speaker 6: saw him on Front Street, you know, the interior of

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Speaker 6: that line just had zero answers. And granted it's arguably

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Speaker 6: the best defensive front they'd faced all year, especially with athleticism,

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Speaker 6: what Houston had going, what you guys had going, they

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Speaker 6: were looking for that pass catching tight end. I think

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Speaker 6: he saw with Will Disley, as great of a season

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Speaker 6: as he had, as great of a all around tight

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Speaker 6: end sort of as he played, receiving was always just

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Speaker 6: a little bit, you know, lacking, and you saw the

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Speaker 6: drop on that first drive that could have led to

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Speaker 6: a touchdown instead of a field goal, and then obviously

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Speaker 6: the pick you know that bounced off his hand. So

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Speaker 6: I think it helped remind them, Hey, these were kind

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Speaker 6: of things that were going on all season. Let's make

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Speaker 6: sure we go into twenty twenty five not kidding ourselves

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Speaker 6: about what we have versus what we need.

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Speaker 3: So encouraging a campaign.

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Speaker 1: Though the Texans and Chargers obviously play each other this

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Speaker 1: coming season. Matt Mudey Smith joining us, what is the

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Speaker 1: biggest story for the Chargers in your mind going into twenty.

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Speaker 6: Twenty five, Well, I think just in this time and

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Speaker 6: space right now, it's what are they going to do

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Speaker 6: with Joey Bosa? What is you know? Because Joe's one

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Speaker 6: of my favorite guys on the team. I think he's

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Speaker 6: one of everybody's favorite guys. He's such a positive force,

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Speaker 6: you know, chemistry wise with this group. At the same time,

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Speaker 6: it's a thirty six million dollar number, and it's a

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Speaker 6: number that he took a cut last year and a

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Speaker 6: big one, you know, seven million bucks. So if they're

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Speaker 6: gonna they're gonna obviously ask him to take another one.

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Speaker 6: I don't think they want to extend just because of

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Speaker 6: the injury. So that's twenty five million dollars in cap

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Speaker 6: relief versus somebody who, when he's healthy, is incredibly good

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Speaker 6: at football. That to me is the biggest deal because

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Speaker 6: it's twenty five million bucks. I mean, you can use

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Speaker 6: that in a lot of different places. For a team

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Speaker 6: that wants to bring a lot of these guys back.

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Speaker 6: They have twenty six free agents, They've got an extension

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Speaker 6: coming for with Shaun Slater that's probably gonna sniff thirty

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Speaker 6: million bucks a year. So that to me is kind

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Speaker 6: of the biggest sort of lynchpin of how this thing's

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Speaker 6: gonna go moving forward, Matt.

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Speaker 2: The progress of Justin Herbert.

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Speaker 4: Obviously the playoff game was not really indicative of what

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Speaker 4: he had done during the season. I mean, obviously threw

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Speaker 4: more interceptions in that game than he had yeah, throughout

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Speaker 4: the season at that point, But there was so much

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Speaker 4: I mean, we talked about it Houston leading up to

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Speaker 4: that game, like, hey, he hasn't thrown interceptions, he's not

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Speaker 4: thrown you the football. But then there are a lot

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Speaker 4: of reasons that went into his performance. But where where's

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Speaker 4: Justin Herbert kind of going right now? Yea, where do

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Speaker 4: you see him in an NFC that's got so many

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Speaker 4: great quarterbacks?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Where does he kind of fit in that mix? Yeah?

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Speaker 6: For me, it's you know, I think the exciting thing

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Speaker 6: about Justin is finally an opportunity for him to get

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Speaker 6: some continuity. You know, you're talking about a guy that's

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Speaker 6: you know, had a different offensive coordinator in every single

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Speaker 6: season except one, you know, and so to get a

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Speaker 6: second year with coach Harbaugh, a second year I think

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Speaker 6: that's kind of when people try to run the comparison

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Speaker 6: with Patrick Mahomes and and and Herbert. It's just not fair.

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Speaker 6: It's like he's got Andy Reid. He's had Andy Reid

661
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Speaker 6: his entire career. You know, Justin has gone from Shane

662
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Speaker 6: Steichen to Joe Lombardi to Kellen Moore to now Greg

663
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Speaker 6: Roman and it's and it's just one after another, and

664
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Speaker 6: same thing happened at Oregon. He never had the same

665
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Speaker 6: oc in consecutive season. So I think for him, that's

666
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Speaker 6: going to be a big benefit. And also I think

667
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Speaker 6: in fairness to him, not trying to you know, as

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Speaker 6: the kids say, cap for Justin, but the interior of

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Speaker 6: that line was just you know, for all the excuses

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Speaker 6: that we're for Patrick in the Super Bowl, he was

671
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Speaker 6: under a less pressure rate than Justin was in the

672
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Speaker 6: game against Houston. So you know, that's certainly something that

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Speaker 6: needs to be remedied.

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Speaker 2: It's an excuse that you're making. I mean, that's a

675
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Speaker 2: reason we all saw it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we all saw our defensive line take

677
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Speaker 4: over that game completely.

678
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Speaker 2: He's throwing every he's making every throw.

679
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Speaker 4: He makes the third and twenty two throw to McConkey

680
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 4: for a long touchdown, and he's got.

681
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Speaker 2: Two guys hanging on, hanging all over him.

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Speaker 4: And so in an AFC that's got a lot of

683
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Speaker 4: talented quarterbacks, I mean that dude's at the top is

684
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Speaker 4: as it pertains the physical talent, physical ability.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think when you have a quarter and

686
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 6: you guys have one in CJ, you know when you

687
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 6: have a coin, and that's why you traded for Stefan Diggs,

688
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 6: and that's why you know you were pining to get

689
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Speaker 6: Nico Collins. BET's like, hey, when you can get elite

690
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 6: quarterbacks weapons, well yeah, well then they're gonna be unleashed.

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Speaker 6: And I think you look at last year and even

692
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Speaker 6: though Q took a step, I think for sure forward

693
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Speaker 6: they used him better as that Z. He's not an X,

694
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 6: and so I think if you can get a legitimate X,

695
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 6: that's why if T becomes a free agent, so many

696
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 6: people are circling that and kind of drawing that line

697
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Speaker 6: to the Chargers. If you can set this wide receiver

698
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Speaker 6: room right, and if the draft brack's right breaks right,

699
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Speaker 6: maybe it's Colston Lovelin at twenty two, or maybe it's

700
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Speaker 6: Jawan Johnson from New Orleans, you can kind of get

701
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Speaker 6: him the weapons that he needs and maybe it's you know,

702
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 6: solidifying the interior of that line, either through free agency

703
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 6: or or with the draft. And I think you guys

704
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Speaker 6: are probably going to be taking a very similar approach.

705
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Speaker 6: It's hey, it might be a race to Will Fries

706
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Speaker 6: for Houston and the Chargers. You know, so I think

707
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Speaker 6: that's I think it's going to be a very similar

708
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Speaker 6: looking offseason for each of these teams.

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Speaker 1: Matt Muddy Smith joining us on Combine Radio row and

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Speaker 1: the Texans playing the Chargers this year?

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Speaker 3: Are we going to see in Brazil?

712
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Speaker 6: So I when we got the announcement and I kind

713
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Speaker 6: of set the odds, I put the Texans at number one.

714
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Speaker 6: I said, you know, so, I you know, Mark, you

715
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Speaker 6: and I were talking just a second ago because I

716
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Speaker 6: mentioned the Raiders and you said, oh, division and I said, well,

717
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Speaker 6: I would have never said that, but we played the

718
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Speaker 6: Chiefs in Mexico City, so you know they they obviously

719
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Speaker 6: they're willing to do it. So I handicapped at Houston one.

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Speaker 6: It's a great build up, it's two great quarterbacks, it's

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Speaker 6: a match of a playoff game and it's not divisional.

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Speaker 6: And then behind that, I put the Raiders in the

723
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Speaker 6: Broncos just because I think you're talking about franchises that

724
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Speaker 6: you know, iconic and pop, and you get to Brazil

725
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Speaker 6: and you have you know, the Broncos for you know,

726
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Speaker 6: and the Raiders, and that just kind of that's sort

727
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Speaker 6: of the way I laid it out, Matt.

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Speaker 2: You guys play obviously in LA, and football had not

729
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Speaker 2: been in LA for a long long time. How are

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Speaker 2: the Chargers kind of making inroads with fans and followers

731
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Speaker 2: in La? Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Danny, Sorry, my old my old guy who left

733
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Speaker 6: us for the Bears. What's he thinking leaving southern California

734
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Speaker 6: for Chicago? Exactly? So, I you know, it's a Dodger town.

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Speaker 6: And now with the trade for Luca, the Lakers have

736
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Speaker 6: an opportunity to kind of get back in. But they've

737
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Speaker 6: really been just shoved aside heavily by the Dodgers. Yes,

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Speaker 6: it has become the last half decade a even with

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Speaker 6: Lebron jan because I think Lebron is more of a

740
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Speaker 6: mercenary who's just kind of roped in from a helicopter

741
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Speaker 6: as opposed to the Dodgers being that that bedrock of Los.

742
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Speaker 2: Angeles, like Kobe wh like an institution.

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Speaker 6: Exactly said once Kobe, you know retired and they kind

744
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 6: of were meandering in the debt. So point being, it's

745
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 6: kind of a one team town right now. Now with Luca,

746
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 6: the Lakers are gonna make a strong comeback. But I

747
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Speaker 6: bring it up because USC has been flailing UCLA basketball

748
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Speaker 6: for whatever reason. As much as I love Mick and

749
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 6: they've been successful with him, it's still just not quite there.

750
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Speaker 6: So it's wide open for all of these teams, for

751
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Speaker 6: the Lakers, for the Clippers, for the Trojans, for the

752
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Speaker 6: And so I feel like with Harbaugh last year, following

753
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Speaker 6: the draft, you know, drafting Herbert and him turning into

754
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Speaker 6: a superstar, the Chargers took a big jump. And so

755
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Speaker 6: now I feel like the only thing missing is success.

756
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 6: Like now that you've got your superstar coach, superstar quarterback.

757
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Speaker 6: Now if you can win a playoff game, two playoff games,

758
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Speaker 6: get a home playoff game, win the division. That sort

759
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Speaker 6: of thing is kind of their next step to maybe

760
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Speaker 6: snatching this thing away. Because the Rams do not have it,

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Speaker 6: They do not have a hold of the professional football

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Speaker 6: fan base in LA. It is still totally up for Grated.

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Speaker 1: Matt undy Smith joining us voice of the Chargers, paint

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Speaker 1: a little picture for me, where do you practice relative

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Speaker 1: to the stadium where the Rams practice? How does life

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Speaker 1: go down in Los Angeles with the two professional franchise, So.

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Speaker 6: If you so, it's interesting the Chargers really pulled off

768
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Speaker 6: a coup when they were able to secure some land.

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Speaker 6: It's land that belonged to Raitheon. There's a bunch of

770
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Speaker 6: defense and airline contractors right next to lax So. Raytheon

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Speaker 6: had all this land that was unoccupied and they were

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Speaker 6: able to acquire it and slam three football fields and

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Speaker 6: a practice facility seven minutes from lax So. The charter

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Speaker 6: would take us fifty five minutes to an hour fifteen,

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Speaker 6: depending on traffic up the four or five when we

776
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Speaker 6: were down in Coasta Mesa to now five to seven

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Speaker 6: minutes and you are sitting on the tarmac getting ready

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Speaker 6: to walk onto your charter flight and when you get home,

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Speaker 6: it's a huge difference. So that's been a big win.

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Speaker 6: And the Bolt is probably with a police escort ten

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Speaker 6: minutes from so far. You know, the Rams are in

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Speaker 6: Woodland Hills, that is the valley, that is the Deep Valley.

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Speaker 6: So you're talking about four h five to one oh

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Speaker 6: one twenty miles and depending on traffic that can be

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Speaker 6: an hour and a half to Lax. So that's you know,

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Speaker 6: but that's I think the difference in stan Kronky versus

787
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Speaker 6: the Spanos family right Spanos family is just, hey, we

788
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Speaker 6: need a football facility to sell to these players. And

789
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Speaker 6: I'm not taking not suggesting there's anything wrong with it.

790
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Speaker 6: But stan Kronky's a real estate guy, and he's like,

791
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Speaker 6: wait a minute, I can get all of this land

792
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Speaker 6: in Woodland Hills. I can develop a brand new mall

793
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Speaker 6: in an outlet and build it around my RAMS facility.

794
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 6: So that's what he's doing. He's building this mega complex

795
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 6: like the Star for Jerry in doubt. So it's a

796
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 6: different approach. But you can't do that in El Segundo.

797
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Speaker 6: It's just here's our plot of land. The parking lot's

798
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 6: probably a little bit too small, but it's premier real

799
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Speaker 6: estate for a football team.

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Speaker 4: To get anywhere in lat five to seven minutes. My

801
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 4: daughter lives on the east side of the one o

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Speaker 4: one east Hollywood Hills. To get to Lax, we actually

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Speaker 4: have to go Worth on the one oh one, then

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00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 4: come back down the four or five, four or five,

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Speaker 4: and we make it in an hour and it's ten miles. Yeah,

806
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 4: so you guys know in Houston. I mean, we have

807
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Speaker 4: traffick in Houston.

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Speaker 6: I think my favorite thing about LA and I appreciate

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Speaker 6: John that you did it for whatever reason. In California,

810
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Speaker 6: it's the only place where we say the yeah. Everybody

811
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Speaker 6: else just gives them the highway number. Oh it took

812
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 6: ninety four to eighty. And you know, as we're here

813
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 6: in Indianapolis was sixty five to sixty nine. But in LA,

814
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 6: the four or five, the five, the sixty. It's the

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Speaker 6: strangest thing. And it's the only place in America that does.

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Speaker 4: That's a good My daughter has brought that up many times.

817
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 4: My wife too, when she would drive out there. She's like,

818
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Speaker 4: I'm the five right now, and I was like, you

819
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Speaker 4: have become California.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're absolutely killing me with this. There's no question

821
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 2: about that. Matt.

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Speaker 4: The AFC West, the Chiefs have dominated that division from

823
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 4: winning division championships. You guys have knocked them off at

824
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Speaker 4: different points and beating them in big games. I remember

825
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Speaker 4: Thursday Night game.

826
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Speaker 2: But how big is that bohemoth?

827
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Speaker 4: Were Harbaugh on the charges to get over to knock

828
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Speaker 4: them off and boot them out?

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Speaker 2: You guys win a division.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's you know, look, it's it's one

831
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Speaker 6: of my issues with the NFL and I have just

832
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 6: never and I've done this for every single sport. I've

833
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 6: criticized Major League Baseball about it, and I just don't

834
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 6: understand how a team with the worst record gets a

835
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Speaker 6: home game in the playoffs and it's such a disadvantage.

836
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Speaker 6: You know, last year we play that game. It's so

837
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 6: fine instead of Houston. I'm not saying the result would

838
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,720
Speaker 6: be different, but it'd be a lot easier. It's certainly

839
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 6: an advantage. You win the division get you get a

840
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 6: ticket to the tournament. I think that is more than enough.

841
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 6: When you've got to compete in the division with the

842
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 6: Broncos team that made the playoffs and a Chiefs team

843
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Speaker 6: that's been on top of the football world for six

844
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Speaker 6: seven years, and you end up with more wins than

845
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 6: the team you're playing and you have to go on

846
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 6: the road. I just don't agree with it. It'll never

847
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 6: change because the owners want the money and they want

848
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 6: to have an opportunity to win a division and put

849
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 6: playoff money in their pocket. But to me, I just

850
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Speaker 6: I can't I can't understand it. There's just it's it

851
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Speaker 6: to have the inequity of a division and how competitive

852
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 6: a division is versus another one, and still you get

853
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 6: a home game.

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00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 2: It just I'll never agree with it.

855
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: I think that's fair because, yeah, you definitely get into

856
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 1: the playoffs winning a division.

857
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 3: You're in with a whatever record you have.

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00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 4: So to get that division game, or to win that

859
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 4: and get that game at home, you.

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Speaker 2: Got to beat the Chiefs. Yeah, that's what I mean.

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00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 2: What's the biggest thing for you guys to be But I.

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Speaker 6: Think it's you know, it's it's probably doing a lot

863
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 6: of what we did last year. It's super competitive with

864
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 6: them and just taking that next step personnel wise on paper,

865
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Speaker 6: you know, getting getting some more weapons, being a little

866
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 6: more explosive. Certainly coach Minter has showed that he's seems

867
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 6: like he's kind of got an idea of how best

868
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 6: to keep Mahomes in that little pocket, don't let him

869
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Speaker 6: get out of there, you know, and cover, you know,

870
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 6: strong coverage on the back end. They have the players

871
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 6: to do it. I think it's just a matter offensively

872
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 6: to get past that seventeen sixteen eighteen sort of number

873
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Speaker 6: that they've been scoring against a very good Chiefs defense.

874
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 6: They get to that twenty four to twenty seven number,

875
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 6: I think they win those games all right.

876
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: On the way out our poll, what do you think

877
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: think of dynamic kickoff? Maybe touch back to the thirty five?

878
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 1: And what do you think of fourth and twenty instead

879
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: of the outside kick?

880
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 6: I hate fourth and twenty just because of pass interference.

881
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 2: It's just I can't stand it. You know.

882
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 6: That's my one great fear about fourth and twenty. So

883
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 6: I I like the dynamic kickoff. I think I can't

884
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 6: decide if I do or not. I feel like I do.

885
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 3: Touch back to the thirty five means yeah.

886
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 6: You're gonna get more exactly, So I think that part

887
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 6: of it will help because you know, for us with

888
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 6: Dick or they just boot it out at the back

889
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 6: at the end zone all season long, like whatever, take

890
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 6: it at the thirty. So we did not see a

891
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 6: lot of opponent returns.

892
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 2: Okay.

893
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 4: Can you imagine fourth and twenty the very first fourth

894
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 4: and twenty outside kick? Yeagal contact for five yards?

895
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

896
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 4: First, I think I had thought I had thought about that,

897
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 4: But yeah, I'd like the fourth and twenty kicks and

898
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 4: it's like kick is just it's a fatal complete right now.

899
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: So wait, wait, you're doing on the way out. You're

900
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: doing radio games with Robert or Rocket Legend, Robert Orry.

901
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 6: I'll be in Houston on Monday for the Kansas Houston

902
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:58,919
Speaker 6: game as a matter of fact, for DITA Center.

903
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, with the big job. That is a big one. Nice. Yeah,

904
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 2: maybe I'll see you guys out there.

905
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 6: Seven rings, seven rings, seven great and awesome, dude, one

906
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 6: of the best guys around.

907
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 2: Oh, that's correct, So maybe I'll see you guys out there.

908
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: All right, John, there's Matt money Smith, voice of the

909
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: La Chargers formerly the NFL Network, and a whole bunch

910
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: of other stuff coming up. Andrew Siciliano used to fill

911
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: in for Jim Rome. He's voice of the Browns. He's

912
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: been on NFL Network, original host of the original Red

913
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: Zone on Direct TV. He's next here on Texans All Access.

914
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: Final segment of the program. It's a good one. Here

915
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: a media row at the NFL Scouting Combine. Andrew Siciliano,

916
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: formerly the NFL Network, host of the original Red Zone

917
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: on Direct TV, Voice of the Cleveland Browns.

918
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 3: Let's get to it.

919
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,479
Speaker 1: Andrew first year in the books as the Browns played

920
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: by play announcer, and I know you've done games for

921
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: them before, but what was that like for you?

922
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 3: Other than the record?

923
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: It's like, how is the play missus Lincoln, other than

924
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: that thing that happened so welcome?

925
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 3: How was it for you?

926
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:58,439
Speaker 2: Gentlemen? Good to see you both?

927
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 7: It was it was aw I mean the three and

928
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 7: fourteen was not awesome, but that is not limited to me.

929
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 7: That that's the entire building and more importantly, the entire

930
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 7: fan base, so we all feel it collectively.

931
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 2: But as a guy who grew.

932
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 7: Up a Browns fan and as a guy who can

933
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 7: remember listening to games while in the stands on his

934
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 7: sony walkman, it was it was pretty amazing. We didn't

935
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:26,919
Speaker 7: have many great memorable moments, but those that we did

936
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 7: have were pretty special.

937
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 4: Andrew, to ask you a tough one, what was the

938
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 4: impact of the legacy of Jim and follow How much.

939
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 2: Time do we have? Yeah?

940
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 4: And how tough is it to like step into those

941
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 4: shoes the year after he passes away?

942
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 1: And by the way, that's Jim Donovan, the deceized former

943
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 1: play by playouts are the Browns.

944
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 7: It's loved. I mean, I have sat in the stands

945
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 7: and listened to Jim. And now, granted Jim took over

946
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 7: in ninety nine, when the team came back in ninety nine,

947
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 7: I was already working professionally, so my chances to be

948
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 7: there on a Sunday or a Monday or very very few, sure.

949
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 7: But Kevin Stefanski and I talked about this, like he

950
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 7: he on the way home on Sundays after games or

951
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 7: Monday nights or whatever like, he would listen to the

952
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 7: radio to listen to Jim's calls, to hear how it

953
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 7: played out and to hear how he described them. I

954
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 7: for years, driving home from DirecTV in La on Sunday,

955
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 7: would turn on Sirius so I could hear those calls

956
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 7: as well. And it's it's much like the Guardians or

957
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 7: the Indians with Tom Hamilton. It's like it's not complete

958
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 7: until you hear the way that Tom, or in this case,

959
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 7: Jim described it, the emotion that came out.

960
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 2: He was a fabric, part of the fabric of the community.

961
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 7: People forget he was the NBC, the Channel three sports

962
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 7: anchor there for forty years, so it wasn't just.

963
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 2: The Browns in ninety nine.

964
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 7: Jim had been in everyone's homes for forty years. I

965
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 7: mean he did his first game for NBC, NFL games

966
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 7: for NBC in the late eighties, almost a different lifetime before.

967
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 7: And then then he got back to the NFL in

968
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 7: ninety nine when the bronze came. So it is impossible

969
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 7: to fill those shoes. Sure, it will always be Jim's booth.

970
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 7: And I that game Week eight when when they beat

971
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 7: the Ravens shortly after his passing. It gives me chills.

972
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 1: Right, show we've been talking, Yeah, Andrew Ciciliano with us.

973
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: It blows my mind, Andrew, because you've done so many

974
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: things in this business, the original Red Zone and you

975
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: filled in for Jim Rome.

976
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 3: Hosted national shows.

977
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 1: But to do the Browns has to be so special

978
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: for you because of what you said growing up listening

979
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 1: to a Walkman and by the way, kids a walkman.

980
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 3: I don't have time to explain it. No, I used

981
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 3: to have a Rockman for my guitar.

982
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 2: It's a cassette player.

983
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 7: That's probably the size of this laptop mark that you're

984
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 7: now holding or looking at. Anyway, Yeah, it was. Look

985
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 7: it's yeah, I'm getting chills again. Yes, it is the

986
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:02,280
Speaker 7: honor of a lifetime and I hate the circumstances that

987
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 7: that put me there, but it can also both can

988
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 7: be true.

989
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 2: It's it's still pretty cool.

990
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 7: And I got to fill in gym for those who

991
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 7: don't know, in twenty twenty three. Had to take some

992
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 7: time and and I did a couple of games. Chris Rose,

993
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 7: the Cleveland native, did a couple of games. Paul Keels,

994
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 7: the voice of the Buck guys, did the game. So

995
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 7: everyone kind of chipped in to fill in for Jim.

996
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 7: The first game I had was there at the time,

997
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,439
Speaker 7: stunning upset of the forty nine ers when Jake Moody

998
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 7: missed the field goal. The Niners had been defeated. At

999
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 7: that point, the Browns Deshaun was out. He wasn't out

1000
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 7: for the season, but he was out there and PJ.

1001
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 7: Walker had to start. It was already their third quarterback

1002
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 7: starting in like in early October. I mean, it was

1003
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 7: a mess and they beat the Niners. That call went

1004
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 7: viral because I lost my mind, but it was it

1005
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 7: was genuine. Yeah, sure, and that's what I and I look,

1006
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 7: I know you guys do this as well. You should

1007
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 7: try to be genuine and the fans, you know, can can.

1008
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 4: Understand the fans can read through being not genuine. They

1009
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 4: can understand that there's a question about that. Okay, Andrew,

1010
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 4: let's fix the Browns again. How long is this sh then?

1011
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 4: And obviously it starts with the quarterback with DeShawn. Where

1012
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 4: do you think that stands? They're sitting at number two,

1013
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 4: there's a possibility of drafting a quarterback. They're obviously free

1014
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 4: agent quarterbacks. How do you think they go about this fixing?

1015
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 4: So let's start there at the quarterback position before you

1016
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 4: get to miles.

1017
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 7: So they only have one quarterback right now healthy on

1018
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 7: the roster, and that is Jorian Thompson Robbins. So, assuming

1019
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,959
Speaker 7: Deshawn's not ready anytime soon, which one would assume would

1020
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 7: be the entirety of this year, they need to add

1021
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 7: to that room. And the assumption, I think the very

1022
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 7: safe assumption is they signed one, they draft one, or

1023
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 7: they trade for one and they draft one. Where and

1024
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 7: how and when are the big questions. I think it's

1025
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 7: fair to assume they probably go sign a veteran. Their

1026
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 7: finances are limited, the'll probably after restructuring on DeShawn, have

1027
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 7: maybe maybe fifteen in cap space, so like they're not

1028
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 7: going to go right of a contract similar to what

1029
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 7: Kirk Cousins saw in two years and one hundred. They're

1030
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 7: they're not going to trade for Matthew Stafford and give

1031
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 7: him two years and one hundred.

1032
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 2: That's not gonna happen. And then they draft.

1033
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 7: One sure question is do they draft one at two

1034
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 7: or thirty three yep or somewhere else down the line yep.

1035
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 7: And that is the big question. Browns fans want to

1036
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 7: know the answer tomorrow. Andrew Berry said in Mobile that

1037
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 7: he is not a patient man. He wanted to know

1038
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 7: the answer right then and there. We have two long

1039
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 7: months before the draft, and a lot could happen. I think,

1040
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 7: first of all, we have to figure out what the

1041
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 7: heck Tennessee is doing.

1042
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: Right exactly and Miles Garrett Aggie, So the Browns are

1043
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: all saying, the Browns brass saying, hey, he's he's a

1044
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 1: Brown and he's gonna be here and whatever. It feels

1045
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: like everybody else is saying, now he's gone. They're just

1046
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: assuming he's gone. Should we just believe the Browns brass

1047
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: right now?

1048
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,280
Speaker 2: Yeah? I can tell you they're adamant. They am killing them.

1049
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 2: They are not moving him. Now.

1050
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 7: Look, do we get to training camp, and you know

1051
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 7: he like and he's posting from his couch saying never

1052
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 7: in ten million years will ever get on a plane.

1053
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 7: Then maybe it's a different conversation. That's not Miles right,

1054
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 7: he would not handle it that way. I don't know

1055
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 7: that he's got to miss game checks. I'm not you know,

1056
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 7: daring him too.

1057
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 2: But it's a.

1058
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 7: Long way between now and the opening of training camp.

1059
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 7: And I think they, they meaning the Browns, hope and

1060
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 7: believe that they can make some moves now free agency,

1061
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 7: the draft to make this team look a lot better,

1062
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 7: and then they want Miles to be part of it.

1063
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 7: I also expect them to probably put in front of

1064
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 7: him a contract that would likely make him the highest

1065
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 7: paid defensive player in the NFL.

1066
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 2: He deserves it.

1067
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 7: He is the best player in the defensive defensive player

1068
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 7: in the NFL. And if he really wants to turn

1069
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 7: that down, then maybe this becomes a different conversation.

1070
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 2: But we'll see.

1071
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 4: So maybe you know, this's not Andrew, but what a

1072
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 4: what a quarterback signing or trade be something that Miles

1073
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 4: to look at and go all right, maybe we're not rebuilding,

1074
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 4: maybe we can't stick after that? Is that something that

1075
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,280
Speaker 4: would play a role. Do you think in that situation.

1076
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 7: I cannot speak for him, yep, but I would have

1077
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 7: to think it might have some influence. Yeah, sure, yeah, yeah, Okay,

1078
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 7: I mean I think that's only natural.

1079
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 2: Sure, that's human, right, maybe not, I don't know.

1080
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: You see Andrew cciliana with us. All Right, So I

1081
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 1: mentioned that you did the original Red Zone direct TV

1082
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: for many years, and I wanted to ask you about

1083
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: this business. I mean, because it is so strange. You

1084
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: look around here, more media here than ever, how much

1085
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: terrestrial media versus non terrestrial, non traditional media. We won't

1086
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: get into all that, but what do you think of

1087
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: the direction of the sports media business.

1088
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 2: As a whole?

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Speaker 7: You ask, great open ended question, mark, And I really

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Speaker 7: do mean that that is a compliment. All right, quick story.

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Speaker 7: I'm walking over here from the hotel, y'all. I'm sure

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Speaker 7: love Indianapolis. It's walkable, you love it anyway. I'm walking

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Speaker 7: here from India. I'm walking here today in Indie and

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Speaker 7: I passed three defensive linemen.

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Speaker 2: They had done their stuff for the morning.

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Speaker 7: They were walking down the hallway and actually I passed fifteen,

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Speaker 7: but I heard three on their phones or talking to

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Speaker 7: the guy next to them mention YouTube okay, okay, ojoke

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Speaker 7: just this morning. So that is the future of media,

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Speaker 7: not YouTube specifically, but digital. We all are carrying in

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Speaker 7: our pockets television studios and televisions that are more powerful

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Speaker 7: than the TVs.

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Speaker 2: Like put it this way.

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Speaker 7: I tell kids at Syracuse where I went to school,

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Speaker 7: at the Journalism School, that in their pocket they have

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Speaker 7: more television production power than the entire building had the

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Speaker 7: day I graduated. And at that point and I major myself,

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Speaker 7: it was absolutely and still is state of the art. Right,

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Speaker 7: But in your post you're carrying around more television and

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Speaker 7: media production capability than television studios ten years ago had collectively.

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Speaker 7: So that is the future and uh well the present

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Speaker 7: or the present. Yeah, and every player walking around here

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Speaker 7: could be their own media magnate if they wanted to, right.

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Speaker 4: We found a fascinating Andrew because Marcus, people tell him

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Speaker 4: that they see us on YouTube more than they hear us. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: so you guys on YouTube with coach Ryan's and we're like, no,

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Speaker 4: that was a radio interview on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: YouTube, and that's how they see it a little bit.

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Speaker 7: My ten year old nephew, my thirteen year old niece,

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Speaker 7: the most excited. I've seen them in the last two weeks. Oh,

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Speaker 7: Uncle Ander's got a YouTube channel. Yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 7: Now you're legit exactly. Thanks a lot of guys.

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Speaker 3: We appreciate it, brother, right, thank you, see you guys.

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Speaker 1: There's our visit with address Aciliano, and there is the

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Speaker 1: show up in podcast form soon enough wherever you get

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Speaker 1: your podcasts, and on the Odyssey app as well. Of

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Speaker 1: course Ria forty five coming up. Don't miss them. Have

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Speaker 1: a great night, Go Texans.