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Speaker 1: Welcome to the State of the the Lakers, presented by DASH Radio.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for coming to hang out

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Speaker 1: on a Wednesday. Thank you guys for coming to hang

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Speaker 1: out in the postgame show last night. We're just gonna

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Speaker 1: be really short today. I'm gonna hit on three Lebron

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Speaker 1: centric topics. Namely, i'm gonna hit on the Imon Schumpert

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Speaker 1: interview that he did recently where he basically said that

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Speaker 1: Lebron ruined basketball by going to the Miami Heat back

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Speaker 1: in two thousand ten, and and that he knew what

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Speaker 1: he was doing and all that stuff. I'm gonna give

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Speaker 1: my two cents. I'm gonna talk a little bit about

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Speaker 1: how well Lebron has played this year and how much

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Speaker 1: I've appreciated his leadership in this really rocky and tumultuous

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Speaker 1: stretch from the Lakers, something that I didn't necessarily expect

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Speaker 1: from him, but that I've appreciated from him. And then

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Speaker 1: last week, you're gonna talk a little bit about how

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Speaker 1: everything with the Lakers isn't quite as it seems. That

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Speaker 1: I know the record looks bad, and I know some

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Speaker 1: think this team has been a lot better than you

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Speaker 1: would think. And I'm gonna dive a little bit into that,

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Speaker 1: but let's go ahead and get started with this and

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Speaker 1: mon Chumpert thing. So, like I said, Muncheper goes on

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Speaker 1: a podcast says that Lebron knew he was going to

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Speaker 1: ruin the game by going to Miami, and that that's

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Speaker 1: what what he did, and that it basically implying that

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Speaker 1: it opened up the door to the player empowerment era

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Speaker 1: and basically blaming Lebron for that whole thing. Now, there

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Speaker 1: are a couple of different angles to this that are

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Speaker 1: interesting because for starters, I would actually agree that Lebron

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Speaker 1: did initiate the player controlled point era of player movement,

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Speaker 1: because while there has been player movement in the past,

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Speaker 1: and while players did flex their muscles to try to

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Speaker 1: force trades to certain places, We've seen that happen with

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Speaker 1: Kareem Abdul Jabbar in the past. We've seen that happen

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Speaker 1: with Charles bark Lee. We've seen that happen with even

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Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant not to leave the Lakers, but threatening to

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Speaker 1: leave to get them to make a move, and when

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Speaker 1: they did the Paal Gasal trade. But in terms of

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Speaker 1: a player waiting until free agency, communing behind communicating behind

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Speaker 1: the league that we're top tier stars, and then joining

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Speaker 1: together on a team. Yeah, absolutely, Lebron was the one

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Speaker 1: who initiated that. However, I want to defend his rationale

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Speaker 1: his situation in any other situation in NBA history. First

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Speaker 1: of all, Lebron immediately before he ever put on the

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Speaker 1: the Mount Rushmore of basketball players before he ever dribbled

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Speaker 1: a basketball in an NBA game, that came with a

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Speaker 1: great deal of pressure. And in his specific circumstance, he

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Speaker 1: he had this clear and obvious carrot in front of

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Speaker 1: better part of a decade. His circumstance was nowhere near

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Speaker 1: similar to what Lebron was dealing with with Cleveland. Same

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Speaker 1: everybody's a product of their circumstances. One of the reasons

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Speaker 1: It's lingered throughout his entire career. I think it's a

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Speaker 1: if I'm Lebron, I'm going what I did worked, guys.

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Speaker 1: just reacting to his circumstances. If Lebron James had Anthony

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Speaker 1: That's a simple fact. In this case, he reacted to

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Speaker 1: Lebron just took control of his situation. I think it's

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Speaker 1: of Dwayne Wade's physical decline, that Lebron faced enough adversity

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Speaker 1: I've often said that the best thing that happened to

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what he mean on Shepherds After with

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Speaker 1: and I wanted to have Lebron's back in this case, alright.

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Speaker 1: And right now the Ron looks like Lebron. We're on

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Speaker 1: I think about an eleven game stretch here where he's

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