1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,479 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: What's up everybody walking to move the sticks? DJ? And 3 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 1: Buck with you? 4 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 2: Buck? 5 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Happy super Bowl week? How you doing man? 6 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 2: Man, I'm good. 7 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 3: Get a little bit different backdrop. I am in studio 8 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 3: or getting ready to go in studio. I got five 9 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 3: hours five hours of TV. We're doing nothing but interviews. 10 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 3: So it's the radio row car wash, a bunch of 11 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 3: different people hocking products. We'll talk to a bunch of 12 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 3: different stuff. So that's that's that's what I got on. 13 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: Tap old Spice Nationwide State, Like, just get ready, they're 14 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: all coming, They're all coming your way, man. All right, 15 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: today we're going to We're gonna get a chance to 16 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: go back through your mocraft. I haven't had a chance 17 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 1: to go through it yet with you, so I wanted 18 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on it. So if you have it, 19 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: I don't know if you haven't pulled up. 20 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 2: I got it. 21 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: I got all right, let's why don't we rip through them. 22 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: Let's go one through ten and then I might hit 23 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: you with some questions. 24 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 3: Okay, So at one we got a radio taken Fernando Mendoza, 25 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 3: New York Jets, taken Everall Reese Arizona Cardinals, Spencer for 26 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 3: Tennessee Titans, Cardinal Tate, New York Giants, Francis Mauigoa Cleveland. 27 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 2: Oh, this is a surprise. 28 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 4: Caleb Lamoux, Office of Tako, Utah, Washington Commander's Yeah, Washington Commanders, 29 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 4: Jordan Tyson, New Orleans Saints, David Bailey, Kan City Chiefs, 30 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 4: Jeremiah Love and the Cincinnati Bengals. 31 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 2: Caleb Downs from Ohio State. 32 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: I want to start uh with Tate and Tennessee. This 33 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: is a team last year, you got your quarterback. We're 34 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: gonna get to Tennessee a little bit later on the episode, 35 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: but getting a chance to put a premier weapon. Jimire 36 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: D k uh It was great as a kick returner. 37 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: Come on a little bit as a wide out. You've 38 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: seen that that team up and up close personal as 39 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: I have. And then I think Helm's going to be 40 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: a good player. We'll see what they have there with 41 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: Io Manner the other receiver rookie out of Stanford, but 42 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: they don't have a true like number one alpha dog target. 43 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: Tate would definitely give him that. 44 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, he would give him that. 45 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 3: Now, the thing that you don't want is you don't 46 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 3: want too much youth in an experience. But I anticipate 47 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 3: them moving on from Calvin Ridley. They just don't have 48 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 3: any established playmakers on the perimeter. And even though Robert 49 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 3: Sola comes from the defense side of the ball, I 50 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 3: know that Brian Dave Ball is gonna have a lot 51 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 3: of autonomy to kind of help them put this together. 52 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 3: I think you've got to have a number one target, 53 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 3: someone that can be a dynamic weapon on the perimeter. 54 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, in Arizona. The interesting thing about these alignemen Fano 55 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 1: and with Mali Noah, like they both can. Some teams 56 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: view him as guards, some view them as tackles. But 57 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: the nice thing is when you've got a bad offensive line, 58 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: like you can just you can plug him in wherever 59 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: you need, whatever hole in the damn you need to plug, 60 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: you can do that. And I think the thing that 61 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: might surprise some people is that I think most got 62 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,679 Speaker 1: most teams I've talked to and I we'll see where 63 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 1: you are. I'm curious we are, But I think these 64 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: tackles are They're like my twelve, thirteen, fourteenth overall players. 65 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: They're not viewed as like top five guys. But the 66 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: problem is to pluck one of these. The great players 67 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,839 Speaker 1: never get the free agency, and even like the Dan 68 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: Mooores of the world, end up costing you a ton 69 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: more than you know where the talent might suggest. So 70 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: teams are sitting there saying, well, I got I need lineman, 71 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta elevate those guys up the board. 72 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 3: Look, man, I think it hit for me when Covid 73 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 3: Lennon sent an extension with the Jaguars, they paid him 74 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 3: seventeen million annually. He ended the season as a swing player, 75 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 3: offensive guard, right tackle. Then these end up playing left tackle. 76 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 3: That's seventeen million annually for a guy that prior to 77 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 3: this season was a backup player. Well, now, if you're 78 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 3: in need of one of those, you're either gonna have 79 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 3: to overpay significantly or you're gonna have to draft one 80 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 3: of these guys, maybe before you normally would. But I 81 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 3: think that that's just what it is. And for both guys. 82 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 3: You're talking about guys that are right tackles, like they 83 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 3: played right tackles in before. 84 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 2: We used to have distinctions between right tackle and left tackle. 85 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 3: But then people start putting their top pass rusher on 86 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 3: that side. 87 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: I mean they're Marler brawlers, they're bullies. 88 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 3: But there's certainly not the traditional offensive tackles that we 89 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 3: used to talk about in yesteryear. 90 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 2: Being a top five or top ten pick. 91 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think you're you're onto something there where 92 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: these these linemen are going to get elevated and pushed 93 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: up a little bit. All right, let's go eleven to 94 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: twenty bucks. 95 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 3: So eleven Miami Dolphins, Kenyon Sadik from Oregon. Yeah, Dallas Cowboys, 96 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 3: Sunny Styles linebacker La Rams, Jermat McCoy Tennessee, Baltimore Ravens, 97 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 3: Ruben Bain from Miami, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, vega Ione from 98 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 3: Penn State, New York Jets, macaid Lemon wide receiver, USC 99 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 3: Detroit Lions, Caden Proctor left tackle Alabama, Minnesota Vikings, Mansueur 100 00:04:55,080 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 3: Delane cornerback LSU, Carolina Panthers, Peter Woods defensive tackle, Clemson. 101 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 2: And the Dallas Cowboys Keldrick fuk Edge Albert. 102 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: Some interesting ones here. Dallas gets a chance to really 103 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: impact their defense with those two picks. Right when you 104 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 1: go with Styles and Fulk two guys who also have 105 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: tremendous traits like you're talking about long, rangy athletic guys 106 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: make sunny styles a little more like juicy and like twitchy, 107 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 1: whereas falks a little more smooth, kind of flowing type 108 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: of a mover. 109 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, to think about falk is interesting, right, 110 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 3: So before you study him, you've heard the name for 111 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 3: so long people talk about him. 112 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 2: So you go in looking at one thing and it's 113 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 2: very similar to me. 114 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 3: I'm not saying he's this player, but it's kind of 115 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 3: like what Jadavion Clowney ended up being. Jadevion Clowney was 116 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 3: hailed as a pass rusher, but he ended up being 117 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 3: a Pro Bowl caliber run stuffer who would give you 118 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 3: explosive production as a sech artist, but rarely would I 119 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,679 Speaker 3: think you only hit double digits one time in his career. 120 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 3: I see falk in that vein, the traits, the physical 121 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 3: things greatly exceed what the production has been to this 122 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 3: point as a passed frusher. But you can't deny his 123 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 3: impact as a run defender at the line of scrimmage. 124 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's so big and so long, and he's just 125 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: kind of he's firm, but he doesn't like just while 126 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: you would like get off and take off and like 127 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: that raw, juicy explosiveness. But you know, there's a little 128 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: bit of a split here. But when I did him, 129 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: he is my twenty seventh player. I think I had 130 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: him going in the early twenties in the mock draft 131 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: that I did. But when I talk to people around 132 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: that have been around him like a plus kid, like 133 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: everybody raves about him. And then you talk to other 134 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: coaches in the SEC about the best players they've played against, 135 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: and he's like, universally one of the first names that 136 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 1: comes out, like they have a lot of respect for 137 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: him and game planning around him and such. So it 138 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: was kind of one of those things where it's like 139 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: he's in the you know, I'm trying to get through 140 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: this first layer. He's in the do more work pile, 141 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: like you know, like put a little a little star 142 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 1: on that one, say hey, we get to the end 143 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 1: of the process, I want to circle back to him. 144 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 3: So DJ's unfortunate because so many people will look at 145 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 3: mock drafts and take mock drafts as our firm opinion 146 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 3: on a player, And I'm looking at my report on him, 147 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 3: and I've changed from going to numbers to letter grades 148 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 3: because I think it's easier to translate for the viewers 149 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 3: and listeners. So in the notes I gave him a 150 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 3: B plus, right, and so B plus in my mind 151 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 3: is hey, outside the top twenty, maybe a fringe first 152 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 3: round pick because all the a's are first rounders. 153 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 2: That's kind of how I see him. 154 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 3: And I wrote down explosive but not skilled, raw, unpolished, 155 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 3: good motor plays hard, has a bad stance, you know, 156 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 3: but it's one of those things like a developmental prospect, 157 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 3: but not like late developmental, but like, hey, he's going 158 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 3: to need some polishing up, but there's a lot to 159 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 3: like about him, and so you give him that In 160 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 3: the mock draft in the twenties, I give him a 161 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 3: B plus, knowing there's work to do. But I feel 162 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 3: like a lot of evaluators are in that conversation with him, like, man, 163 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 3: he's so talented, Like what do we do with him? 164 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: If we wait, he's not going to be there. We 165 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 2: gotta take him, but you're not. 166 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 3: Getting a finished product that should dominate from day one. 167 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: As a mover and we'll move on. There's a lot 168 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: of kilder Faulk talk, but as a mover, he reminded 169 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: me a lot of Rousseau. You know, like body type 170 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: and movement. But Rousseau had all the production and Falk 171 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: doesn't have that production coming out. But that's kind of 172 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: like the athlete or kind of you know, what he 173 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: appears like and how he moves around. Here's an interesting one. 174 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: I would take a sidebar here for a second. So 175 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: I've got the ages of all these guys. So Falk 176 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: is twenty one and he'll be twenty one. 177 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 2: On draft day. 178 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: Okay. Now, I don't even think it's just the COVID 179 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: and the six year. I think a lot of it 180 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: as these kids are getting held back in high school, 181 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: which you're keeping double hoe backs. Yeah, so let's just 182 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: say you're in the room, Buck. I don't remember many 183 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: of these instances where it's like, Okay, who would you 184 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: take Falk who's twenty one or mesidor who's going to 185 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: be twenty five on draft day? Four year age difference. 186 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 2: I mean, we've never had to have those conversations. 187 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 3: Those conversations are going to be more prevalent because do 188 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 3: you grade Bunk on the curve and say that, hey, 189 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 3: he could grow into being this and Gray mezidor hey, 190 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 3: this is who he is. He's not changing because he's 191 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 3: twenty five. That is a debate, and it's a reasonable debate. 192 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 3: But that's where we're at in this process right now. 193 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do another sidebar, the fact that we're seeing 194 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: these veteran teams. I saw an article about this the 195 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 1: other day. The teams that are winning, or the teams 196 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: that are in the championship game are older, veteran laden 197 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: teams in college football r now, Indiana's proved a Michigan 198 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: they had all those seniors. That was an older team 199 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: that won a national championship. Ohio State this year had 200 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: a bunch of guys who would come back. So this 201 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: is where college basketball was maybe what eight years ago, 202 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: buck like, where all of a sudden, those young teams 203 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: weren't winning anything anymore. It was those teams who'd all 204 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: been together. Even if that had been together, they just 205 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: were collection of older, more mature guys. 206 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,719 Speaker 3: Now, as Atari Hill I would say, this doesn't pain me. 207 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 3: But let's think about Duke. Duke has always been in basketball. 208 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 3: They've been the Kings of the one and dunes. They've 209 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 3: had NBA talent or whatever. But DJ, they haven't won 210 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 3: a title since twenty fifteen, and part of that is 211 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 3: because the older teams are winning. You saw older Villanova teams. 212 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 3: We're seeing older San Diego State teams go to the four. 213 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 3: We're seeing older teams that are hard and tough. They 214 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 3: may have pros, but experience really matters in that game, 215 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 3: and we're seeing If college adopts that model, it's gonna 216 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 3: put evaluators in a weird spot because you go see 217 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 3: these teams with these older players play more games, and 218 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 3: they gonna play these meaningful games, and you're going to 219 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 3: have to like, what do I do with this compared 220 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 3: to the young guy who didn't have an opportunity to 221 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 3: play on the big stage, who were projecting he might 222 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 3: be this when I have more of a floor prospect 223 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 3: that I'm looking at, but I've seen him more and 224 00:10:58,480 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 3: I may be more comfortable with what. 225 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 2: He us out now. 226 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: I'm sure it's the same in all sports. I'm sure 227 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: Major League Baseball's dealt with this with high school kids 228 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: because they've been held back at least once, if not twice. 229 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: So you're drafting a nineteen year old instead of, you know, 230 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: maybe a seventeen year old, which is a big difference 231 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: in the development of the player. All Right, let's get 232 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 1: the twenty one to the end. Here, take us through 233 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: the rest. 234 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 3: Twenty one in Pittsburgh steel There's Zachariah Branch wide receiver, 235 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 3: Georgia La Charges messador and from Miami, Philadelphia Eagles, Avion 236 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 3: Terreo Clemson, Cleveland Browns, Casey Concepcion wide receiver, Texas A 237 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 3: and M. 238 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 2: Chicago Bears. 239 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 3: Cade McDonald defensive tackle Ohio State, Buffalo Bill CJ. 240 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 2: Allen linebacker from Georgia. San Francisco. 241 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 3: Forty nine is Monroe Freeling, offensive tackle from Georgia Texans. 242 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 3: Take Caleb Banks defensive tackle from Florida. Rams Ty Simpson 243 00:11:52,720 --> 00:12:00,559 Speaker 3: quarterback Alabama, Denver Broncos, Emanuel McNeil Warrant safety from Toledo Patriots, 244 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 3: Cashus Howell edge from Texas A and M. And Seattle Ceo. 245 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 3: It's Denzel Boston wide receiver Washington. 246 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: All right, I want to get to Howell here real quick, 247 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: just as a player, because I really liked him as 248 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: a player. And uh, it's been interesting because I've gotten 249 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 1: some some pushback on some friends in the league who 250 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 1: have different, you know, different opinions. I was just looking 251 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: at his age, so he'll be twenty three, so he's 252 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: you know, not he's not too old, but not not 253 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: real long. But I thought I saw a ton of 254 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: twitch and production. I saw a guy who knows how 255 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: to rush. Now, the pushback I got was, well, in 256 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: the Miami game, they didn't you know, he didn't really 257 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: do much in the Miami game and he had one pressure, 258 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: didn't really do a whole lot against those two NFL 259 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: offensive tackles. So I went back and like, okay, let 260 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: me go back and rewatch that game. And I saw 261 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: a lot of quick game back from from Miami. I saw, 262 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: you know, they want some some non traditional formation on 263 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: a player too then getting the ball out. So I mean, 264 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: you only you've got a window of you know, real 265 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: pass rush opportunities. We're talking about ten or twelve pass 266 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: rush opportunity. So I'm like, I'm not going to bury 267 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 1: him on that. And then the thought was, well, a 268 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: lot of his production came against some of the lesser 269 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 1: talent that they played throughout the year, and I'm like, man, 270 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. I just think we're looking for ways 271 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: to excuse away production. Like the guys, the guy knows 272 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: knows how to get home, he plays hard. I wish 273 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: he was longer. If he was longer, he probably go 274 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: much higher. Now I had him at seventeen, and as 275 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: I get through the rest of these guys and finish 276 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: up the process, maybe he finds his way, you know, 277 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: closer to thirty than to fifteen. But I just can't 278 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: throw away a guy because he didn't rush well in 279 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty snaps against Miami. 280 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you have to be careful base and 281 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 3: everything on one game is to buy to your work. 282 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 3: And when you see the long time production, you see 283 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,959 Speaker 3: how active he is on tape. 284 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 2: Look as hard to dispute what he's done. And we've always. 285 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 3: Said this, all right, well, if you're playing at a 286 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 3: smaller school, a lesser program, we need to see you dominate. 287 00:13:58,800 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 2: Okay, he did that. 288 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 3: They talk about the production against those teams and those 289 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 3: games against the heavy hitters. 290 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: You can't Texas too, Like I'm like, I mean chump 291 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: change out there. I mean it was like, oh, we 292 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 1: got a bunch of sacks a ins Mississippi State and 293 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: some of the also rans in the SEC, And I'm 294 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: like that, I mean it's the SEC. Like, I'm not 295 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: gonna throw that out level of competition. 296 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, It's funny how that is, because I feel 297 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 3: like that's an argument that people pick and choose when 298 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 3: to make that argument, depending on how much you like 299 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 3: the player. If it's someone at the top of the board, 300 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 3: like oh, I mean like, yeah, he didn't have to production. 301 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: I mean it's the same different position. But remember Josh 302 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: Allen played terrible against Iowa and Oregon. Yeah, and then 303 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: who was it. We've had quarterbacks in the past where 304 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, he piled up all his production against 305 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: you know, these these bad teams. It's kind of like, Okay, well, 306 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: I don't know what you want me to say here. 307 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 3: I can only judge them based off what they did 308 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 3: and how they play. And I mean, whoever was on 309 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 3: the schedule was on the schedule. But we would say, well, 310 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 3: if he's playing against the in for your opponent, he 311 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 3: should dominate that opponent. And if he dominates the opponent, 312 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 3: I can't downgrade him for the opponent. I have to 313 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 3: give him his due for being able to beat a 314 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 3: team or dominated to play. 315 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: Caleb was another one, because I remember when Caleb came out, 316 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: They're like, well against Notre Dame, you know, and bad 317 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: weather on the road. He was terrible and then there 318 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: was another game. So they're just trying to kill him 319 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: for the performance in one or two of those games. 320 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I don't I don't think he can 321 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: fully get away with that, you know. Anyways, that's a 322 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: long discussion there, a little sidebark. I want to get 323 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: you on another question here, The one I'm sure you 324 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: heard the most about was the Rams getting their quarterback 325 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: of the future Entice Simpson. 326 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting. My thing with. 327 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 3: The Rams and getting the quarterback is at some point 328 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 3: they got to get the replacement the air apparent to 329 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford and with Ty Simpson. I think this is 330 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 3: the perfect fit because we give him an opportunity to 331 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 3: red shirt, but it would also give him as to 332 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 3: be a guy that can uh work in an offense 333 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 3: that really would suit his skill set. And when I 334 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 3: think about, uh, the perfect situation, this is it. The 335 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 3: Rams have to get a quarterback at some point, and 336 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 3: with multiple first round picks, he's sitting there. I think 337 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 3: is the perfect opportunity to get someone that you don't 338 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 3: need to put on the field right away, but you 339 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 3: have an opportunity to develop in that. 340 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: Ridgehird year, I think the quarterback comes in this year. 341 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: Next year, I think, you know, flip a coin, which 342 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: one I would just say in a draft that potentially 343 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: could be you know, deeper at the quarterback position next year. Oh, 344 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: for sure they could. I wouldn't be surprised if they try. 345 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: And even if they trade their first the hire of 346 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: their first round picks this year to fall way back 347 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: and get a first round pick next year, I could 348 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: see them trying to get that in that draft lottery 349 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: there I. 350 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,239 Speaker 2: Was talking about for next year draft. Yeah. Absolutely. 351 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 3: Now here's my thing with with ty Simpson. I am 352 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 3: not one hundred percent confident that I could give a 353 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 3: first round grade to him based on what I saw. 354 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 3: I didn't and I'm sitting here and it's funny. I'm 355 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 3: looking like quick rhythm pass or mobile playmaker Boots Snake. 356 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 3: It's a good touch time and whatever. But the comparisons 357 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 3: I got like Baker Mayfield and Brock pretty and I'm 358 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 3: just not. 359 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: On his arms on that on that level. 360 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 2: No, and DJ the last half of the year was 361 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 2: not great. 362 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: They'll tell you to Alabama he was hurt, and they'll 363 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 1: say the back and the burst's sack and his elbow 364 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: or his Ribs. You know he had he had injuries 365 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: because I said, I talked to the folks at Alabama. 366 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 1: I said, hey, why, yeah, explain to me why this 367 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: kid's coming out, because I watched the end of the 368 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: season and this just didn't make any sense to me, Like, wow, 369 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: you watched the earlier stuff. He was healthy, he was better. 370 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 2: You know, yeah he was. 371 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 3: But then what I saw at the end of the 372 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 3: year is also what would give me pause. I saw 373 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 3: him get beat up a little bit and right, so 374 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 3: like that's part of the thing. And I understand the 375 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 3: urgency that people are going to have to get a 376 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 3: quarterback because we always talk about like quarterbacks get pushed up. 377 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 2: But I think this is a tricky year. I'd have 378 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 2: him with the Rams, But. 379 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 3: When if everyone is peeking ahead to next year, I 380 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 3: know we've had this debate before, like yeah, you'll always 381 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 3: say next year's classes whatever. Yeah, well, next year's classes whatever, 382 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 3: And I think there's gonna be more people this show 383 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 3: restraint knowing if I have multiple picks in next year's class, 384 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 3: I'm gonna have a better chance of being able to 385 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 3: get a marquee player that I feel better about taking 386 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 3: as my franchise quarterback. 387 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 1: I think Ty Simpson's a good player. He's in my 388 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: top fifty. I have him like at forty or forty two, 389 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 1: someone like right around there. I think he's the second 390 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: round guy, so it wouldn't be I'm not the first 391 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: or the last time we'd ever seen a second round 392 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 1: quarterback go into the first round. So I don't have 393 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: any I'm not saying that he's would not be worthy 394 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: of going to where you had him going. I think 395 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: that you can logically get yourself there and the Rams 396 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: don't have a quarterback in the future. But this is 397 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: how I would have this discussion if we were in 398 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: the rum buck which I think is always helpful, if 399 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: we look at the quarterbacks who haven't hit or worked 400 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: out lately. Oh okay, let me just give you the 401 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: three buckets because I just wrote this down, and tell 402 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: me like and then think about the quarterbacks now that 403 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: they think about the guys teams are moving on from. 404 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: I wrote down durability, it's lack of experience, and size 405 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: chess check three checks. So like the Arizona Cardinals are 406 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: moving on from Kyler Murray. You could put that into 407 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: the size bucket. You could put that into the durability bucket. Yeah, 408 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: Tua is going to be moved on from with saying 409 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 1: the same type of thing we've seen, you know, Panix. 410 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: We'll see what happens with him going forward, but he 411 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: hasn't been available. The durability issues in college have reared 412 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 1: their head in the NFL. You look at Trey Lance 413 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:41,479 Speaker 1: was a high pick that was lack of experience. You know, 414 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: I mean go through the list. 415 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 3: We've gone through this like we've seen it like is 416 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 3: the anomaly is when someone is able to play. Look, 417 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 3: even the concerns I expressed about Drake May coming out, 418 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 3: he had two years. I think he had twenty five 419 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 3: twenty seven starts. He didn't have a lot of starts 420 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 3: coming into the league. Now he's in a perfect situation 421 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 3: because I think Josh mc daniels has been terrific for 422 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 3: him given his experience as a play caller. But most 423 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 3: of the guys that don't have a lot of experience 424 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 3: in enter and the league, they struggle. I mean, that 425 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 3: has been bust City when it comes to that. So yeah, 426 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 3: I think that's a valid concern and as we're getting 427 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 3: through it, and I know with Ty Simpson because after Mendoza, 428 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 3: everyone is grasping as straws. 429 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 2: Will guys show enough restraint to be like, hey, look 430 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 2: we need one. 431 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 3: But if we take him here, the debate is going 432 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 3: to be a we have to play him, and we 433 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 3: just seen when we play these guys before they're ready, 434 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 3: it is disastrous. 435 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. And the other one is, you know, we're still 436 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: waiting for clarification on Shambless, like what is he in 437 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,199 Speaker 1: this draft? Is he not in this draft? He's I 438 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: don't know. I'm curious to see, like how you know 439 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 1: how big he is or what he looks like physically, 440 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 1: But I know he's he's fun to watch and he's 441 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,239 Speaker 1: got some creativity and some playmaking to him. You know, 442 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 1: I can see in a world where Bryce Young has 443 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 1: started to take some steps. You know, Bryce Young the 444 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: same concerns in terms of the lack of size. He's 445 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: been surprisingly durable for someone who's not big, but that 446 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: shambles to me and be an interesting one as a 447 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: day two quarterback who may be surprises and goes higher. 448 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 1: But he's got to get in the draft, So we 449 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: don't even know what's going on there with his situation. 450 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 3: He's a little more explosive in terms of like the 451 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 3: plays you see him are like wild plays because of 452 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 3: either the athleticism to arm in those things. But he's 453 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 3: not gonna be a bigger guy either. It's just a 454 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 3: matter of what does he look like when we get 455 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 3: a chance to see him up close in personally, because 456 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 3: I know they loosely have him at like six foot 457 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 3: or six. 458 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 1: Something under on that. 459 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean yeah, especially after you watch Diego Pavio. 460 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: All right, let's that's great. That's a great mock draft. 461 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: You can find it on NFL dot com and see 462 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: Bucke's mock draft. Top fives are coming not too long. 463 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 2: Right, ehru eleven? Yea, I'm on it. 464 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: Another week, another week and we'll have those out there. 465 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: So I'll look forward to that as well. Let's say, 466 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: quick break back, we come back. I've got a quick 467 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: project I want to hit you on right after this. 468 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: All right, Buck, this is a quick one before we 469 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: get out of here. I want to just hit you 470 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: with this quick question. And I've done a little bit 471 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: of the homework for you. So if we're going to 472 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: look at the Patriots as a team in the Super Bowl, 473 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: who was picking in the top five last year? Somehow 474 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: they got from the picking in the top five to 475 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: playing for a championship within a year. But well, let's 476 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,199 Speaker 1: try and figure out who that next team could be. Now, 477 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily saying this team is going to be 478 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: in the super Bowl next year, but a team that 479 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: could maybe make the playoffs or make a sizeable, sizable leap. 480 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: And when you look at those teams that are picking 481 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: up there in the you know, in the top five 482 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: of this year's draft, Vegas, the Jets, Arizona, Tennessee, and 483 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 1: the Giants. So I went with the formula of young 484 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: quarterback on a rookie deal, which the Patriots had hiring 485 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: a new head coach, knocking that out of the park. 486 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: And then they crushed free agency with a lot of 487 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: resources that they had, and they they had an awesome draft. 488 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 1: They had a lot of capital in the draft as well. 489 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: So when I put all that formula together, the two 490 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: teams that made the most sense to have the conversation 491 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 1: about where the Tennessee Titans with cam Ward and the 492 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: New York Giants with Jackson Dart. You get Salad going 493 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,360 Speaker 1: to Tennessee. You get John Harbaugh going to the Giants. Now, 494 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: Tennessee has the most cap room right now, ninety three 495 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 1: point five million. With the numbers I saw, the Giants 496 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 1: are only at one point eight. But when you I 497 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: did some homework on that, they they could get over 498 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,479 Speaker 1: fifty million dollars of relief by some easy cuts and 499 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: redoing a couple deals so they'll have enough money as well. 500 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would go I'd be bullish on the New 501 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 2: York Giants. And a few reasons why I would be 502 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 2: bullish on it. 503 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 3: The formula that you outline young quarterback, new head coach. 504 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 3: They have some pieces in place where I feel like 505 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 3: they unachieved in a major way last year. 506 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 2: Quarterback. I like Jackson Dart. 507 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 3: I think he looks It's without question that he gave 508 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 3: them some juice when he came in. You want to 509 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 3: make sure that Naggie finds a way to build an 510 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 3: offense that allows him to utilize his legs while he 511 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 3: continues to grow as a passer. Camp Scatterabho comes back, 512 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 3: Malik Neighbors comes back. You continue to work on the 513 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 3: offensive line and maybe add another playmaker on the perimeter. 514 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 3: You're good defensively, DJ, There's no reason why this defense 515 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 3: shouldn't be dominant. I mean, let's be honest dexter Lawrence 516 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 3: Burns Carter. I mean, you have so many guys on 517 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 3: the front line that you can be able to get 518 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 3: it without even being great in the back end. Well, now, 519 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 3: to me, this is where John Harbaugh, who has had 520 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 3: to hear all the noise on his departure about how 521 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 3: he may have softened up at the end of his 522 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 3: tenure in Baltimore and the cultural things. I think you 523 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 3: can get a guy who, for a lack of a 524 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 3: better expression, is going to be an ass cracker coming back. 525 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 2: He's going to total line. 526 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 3: And whenever the Giants have been great, it's because they've 527 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,239 Speaker 3: had a forceful and demanding. 528 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 2: Coach that got all of it out of them. 529 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 3: And I think he's that and so whatever pieces they 530 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 3: add around what they have, I think they're going to 531 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 3: be better because the head coach is a better head coach, 532 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 3: and they gonna find a way to improve the quarterback. 533 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 3: And if they get the pieces on defense to play 534 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 3: to their potential, that in itself puts them in the 535 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 3: conversation for being a bounce back story. 536 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think you know, you look at the 537 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: Giants and I would say, well, yeah, they're in just 538 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 1: the divisions, it's just so tough, you know, because of 539 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: the Cowboys and the Eagles. But the Eagles and Cowboys 540 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 1: both kind of took a little step back from where 541 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 1: they were, and then Washington took a big step back 542 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: from where they were, And there's a lot of turnover 543 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: there in that division in terms of the coaching staff. 544 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: So I think that that's an opportunity for them. Whereas 545 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: in the past we would always talk about your division 546 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: buck of the AFC, south of like hey, it's all there, 547 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: it's all winnable. Now you look up and you're like, well, 548 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 1: hold on now, Jacksonville's the juggernaut. Houston's the best defenses 549 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: in the NFL, maybe the best we've seen in quite 550 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 1: some time. In Indianapolis is not is not a layup, 551 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 1: So it's a it's a steep old decline. But I 552 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: will say also the other calculus of this Tennessee believe 553 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 1: it's not not this year. The next year they go 554 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: into a brand new stadium, Like oh yeah, there's a 555 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: lot of there's a lot of momentum, there's a lot 556 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: of momentum building. But I think there's also a lot 557 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: of I think there's a lot of pressure of like, hey, 558 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,199 Speaker 1: we can't go into this building with some terrible team, Like, 559 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: let's we got ninety three million dollars with the cap space, like, 560 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: spend it wisely. Let's go get some help and try 561 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: and make this at least a watchable product, which we 562 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: know what that translates to. But offensive players. 563 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I will say this because you talk about 564 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 3: the Patriot using the Patriots of the model. The one 565 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 3: thing that Mike Rabel did is he brought in a 566 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 3: lot of familiar faces with him to New England to 567 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 3: not only establish the culture, but to play the style. 568 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 3: He also brought a bunch of his coaches with him 569 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 3: to get it done. When I look at what Robert 570 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 3: Salad is doing defensively, Gus Bradley comes over as a 571 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 3: defensive coordinator. The roles are reverse because Robert Solad was 572 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 3: the linebacker coach when Gus Bradley was the head coach 573 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 3: in Jacksonville. But they know the system go back and forth, 574 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 3: so that gives them a They have enough cap room 575 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 3: to go and get some guys that they can say, Hey, 576 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 3: these are our kind of guys, the guys that we 577 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 3: want in this locker room, in this offensive, defensive scheme 578 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 3: to have success. And then I'll just say this man, 579 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 3: that division is one that we can talk about offensive football, 580 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 3: but it is always going to be a grimy, gritty division. 581 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 3: Salah understands that from his defensive background. You look at 582 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 3: Demiko Ryans who worked under him when he was the 583 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 3: defensive coordinator. He has seen how Dimiko has built the Texans. 584 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 3: You're looking at the Jaguars, and the Jaguars are really 585 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 3: kind of a defensive led team and the way they play. 586 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 3: I think he understands stylistically how to build the team 587 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 3: to win the division. Now, they just got to make 588 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 3: sure that they plug the right pieces to allow them 589 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 3: to have the personnel to be able to get it done. 590 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: The Raiders just feels like a two year project. They 591 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: get the quarterback this year, which was the Patriots the 592 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: year before with Drake Mann, and they follow that up 593 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 1: with the next offseason which they knocked out of the park. 594 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 1: So I think probably a two year process there for 595 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 1: the Raiders to be a you know, to try and 596 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: get themselves back into a playoff caliber ball club. All right, 597 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: that's going to do it for us today. We will 598 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: have one more episode coming your way. Brief it'll be 599 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: a quick one, a little Super Bowl preview, a nugget 600 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,199 Speaker 1: sized move. The sticks coming your way. Look out for that. 601 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: We'll see you next time.