WEBVTT - The Murder Years S2: Ep. 5, Black Hole Sun

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<v Speaker 1>The following podcast contains explicit descriptions of violence, including sexual violence,

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<v Speaker 1>that some listeners may find upsetting. Continue at your own risk.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Courtney Barnes and I'm the author of

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<v Speaker 1>All Fall Down, the Story of the Domino Beach Murders.

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<v Speaker 1>With this podcast, I've decided to revisit the murders of

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<v Speaker 1>the serial killer who terrorized the small southern California beach

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<v Speaker 1>community I called home back in the nineteen nineties. As

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned in episode one, I followed the case from

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<v Speaker 1>the very beginning, from the rape and strangulation of nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>year old Via Kendrick in nineteen ninety two, to the

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<v Speaker 1>discovery of the body of young heroin attic Billy Boy

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<v Speaker 1>Reeves about ten months later, to the absolute horror show

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<v Speaker 1>that was the murders of three college students during spring

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<v Speaker 1>break nineteen ninety four. I've talked about how Gregg Langford,

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<v Speaker 1>a powerful city councilman back in those days, sought to

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<v Speaker 1>sweep it all under the rug so that Domino Beach

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<v Speaker 1>is tourism industry wouldn't suffer. And I've told you how

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<v Speaker 1>Stan Major's, an ex COHN and registered sex offender, was

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<v Speaker 1>deemed guilty for at least some of the murders in

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<v Speaker 1>the court of public opinion, and as a result, ended

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<v Speaker 1>up taking his own life. And in our last episode,

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<v Speaker 1>you heard the story of Angela Bowers, the first victim

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<v Speaker 1>to escape from the Domino Beach Killer with her life,

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<v Speaker 1>and you heard it directly from her, in her own words.

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<v Speaker 1>So then then he presses my body up against the car,

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<v Speaker 1>the door of the back seat, I mean, and he

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<v Speaker 1>presses it up even harder against me, and I feel

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<v Speaker 1>this hot breath in my ear, and he says, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's doing this thing with his voice, like you

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<v Speaker 1>know how everyone who plays Batman, how they make their

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<v Speaker 1>voice all low and gravelly like that. Anyway, he says,

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<v Speaker 1>and these are his exact words, green, and you die

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<v Speaker 1>right here. And now, finally I told you how after

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote about Angela's harrowing ordeal in the SoCal Journal,

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<v Speaker 1>the newspaper I had been working for since pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>the moment I graduated college, I received a letter in

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<v Speaker 1>the mail from someone claiming to be the killer himself.

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<v Speaker 2>Rangel may have flewn away, but I think I like

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<v Speaker 2>you better anyhow.

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<v Speaker 3>One day I think i'd like for you to meet me.

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<v Speaker 1>It was because of that letter that authorities, led by

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<v Speaker 1>Delsoul County Sheriff Damon Stokes, were finally able to link

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<v Speaker 1>all five murders and the attempted abduction of Angela Bauers

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<v Speaker 1>to one person, one person whose identity at the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen ninety five was still a mystery. I'm Courtney

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<v Speaker 1>Barnes and this is the Murder Years, Episode five, Black

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<v Speaker 1>Hole Sun. I turned twenty four in January of nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety five, around the same time that Glenn Sherman, the

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<v Speaker 1>so CAW Journal's crime and politics reporter, officially left Domino

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<v Speaker 1>Beach for the greener pastures of the La Times. The

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<v Speaker 1>story I had written about Angela Bowers in November nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety four had gotten me some attention, and not just

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<v Speaker 1>from the Domino Beach killer who had sent me his

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<v Speaker 1>first yes, first letter, but also from some national publications

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<v Speaker 1>who picked up the story. I was far from a

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<v Speaker 1>household name and no one was asking me to appear

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<v Speaker 1>on talk shows yet, but in certain circles I was

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<v Speaker 1>being hailed as a rising voice of feminism and victim advocacy,

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<v Speaker 1>which I have to say I thought was pretty cool

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. But that article had also got me

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<v Speaker 1>back on the radar of Domino Beach City Councilman Greg Langford,

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<v Speaker 1>who was decidedly less of a fan, which was almost

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<v Speaker 1>certainly why I was not named Glenn Sherman's replacement as

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<v Speaker 1>the new crime in politics reporter when he left the

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<v Speaker 1>so Cal Journal. Greg Langford made it clear that the

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<v Speaker 1>council had it in its power to make things difficult

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<v Speaker 1>for the paper if I was given that role. For example,

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<v Speaker 1>he made a veiled threat that we could be denied

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<v Speaker 1>press credentials to certain events, that city employees would be

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<v Speaker 1>told never to talk to us, you know, that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of thing. However, Lauren Redman, the so Cal Journal's editor

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<v Speaker 1>in chief, figured out a loophole. She made the decision

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<v Speaker 1>to not name anyone as Sherman's replacement, which gave her

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<v Speaker 1>the freedom to assign crime and politics articles to any

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<v Speaker 1>reporter she chose on a story by story basis. She

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<v Speaker 1>kept me as far away from Greg Langford as possible,

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<v Speaker 1>which meant I wouldn't cover any stories dealing with local

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<v Speaker 1>politics and I'd no longer have to attend and take

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<v Speaker 1>notes on city council meetings, which suited me just fine.

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<v Speaker 1>So even though I was still on lifestyle entertainment, I

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<v Speaker 1>was also assigned some stories dealing with especially when those

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<v Speaker 1>crimes involved women.

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<v Speaker 3>Got to admit I didn't like you for the longest time.

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<v Speaker 1>That's former del Soul County Sheriff Damon Stokes never won

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<v Speaker 1>to sugarcoat his feelings.

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<v Speaker 3>And not because of all the things you said about

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<v Speaker 3>me in the paper.

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<v Speaker 1>I never said anything that wasn't supported by facts.

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<v Speaker 3>Well maybe that's technically true. But you had a way

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<v Speaker 3>with words, Courtney.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, some would say I still do.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't doubt it. You were a master of subtexts.

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<v Speaker 3>If you wanted folks to feel a certain way about

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<v Speaker 3>a certain subject, you knew all the tricks.

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<v Speaker 1>Men. I'll take that as a compliment.

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<v Speaker 3>Take it however you like. Some may take it as

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<v Speaker 3>leading or even manipulative.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's fair. I was just trying to

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<v Speaker 1>be as honest as I could. I wanted to be.

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<v Speaker 3>A champion of truth. Yeah, something along those sides, right.

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<v Speaker 3>I read you book, Courtney. I know how you see yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>We're all heroes in our own stories.

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<v Speaker 1>Are I never saw myself as a hero? Are you

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<v Speaker 1>telling me you saw yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>That way I saw myself as sheriff of a county

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<v Speaker 3>that was living in fear, and there were times I

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<v Speaker 3>thought you were fanning the flames of that fear. I

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<v Speaker 3>was only what when you brought me that letter, I

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<v Speaker 3>started to see your potential, Your potential become part of

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<v Speaker 3>the solution instead of, you know, someone who was shining

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<v Speaker 3>a bright light on the problem. And then when you

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<v Speaker 3>brought me that second letter.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, wait a second, let's not get ahead of ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>The second letter Stokes just mentioned was delivered to me

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<v Speaker 1>at the offices of the SoCal Journal on the last

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<v Speaker 1>day of March nineteen ninety five. I remember it clearly

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<v Speaker 1>because when the letter was dropped on my desk, I

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<v Speaker 1>was working on a piece about the Mexican American pop

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<v Speaker 1>star Selena, who had been shot and killed by the

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<v Speaker 1>president of her own fan club earlier that day. I

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<v Speaker 1>could tell by the block letters on the end envelope

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<v Speaker 1>and lack of return address it was from the person

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<v Speaker 1>claiming to be the Domino Beach killer, the same person

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<v Speaker 1>who'd sent me that first letter. After the Angeli Bauers

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<v Speaker 1>piece was published about four and a half months earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>I probably should have taken it directly to Sheriff Stokes,

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<v Speaker 1>but instead I opened it.

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<v Speaker 2>Media staked out this spot in your Kazinski's cabin all day.

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<v Speaker 3>The suspect apparently lives up this road, but FBI agents

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<v Speaker 3>won't let anyone throw and we'll make no comments.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're old enough, you might remember the release of

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<v Speaker 1>the Unibomber's Manifesto, which happened in September of nineteen ninety five,

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<v Speaker 1>little less than six months after I received the second

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<v Speaker 1>letter from the Domino Beach Killer. Well, let me tell

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<v Speaker 1>you our guy could give Ted Kazinski a run for

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<v Speaker 1>his money. In the long winded, rambling, crazy bastard department.

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<v Speaker 1>The second letter was much longer and harder to follow

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<v Speaker 1>than the first, so I'm not going to read it

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<v Speaker 1>all here, but I will share some highlights with you.

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<v Speaker 1>He was much more explicit about his beliefs that I

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<v Speaker 1>was born to be one of his victims. He writes, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know I could clean eminem. I can't decide if I

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<v Speaker 3>should eat you first or last.

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<v Speaker 1>Notice the way he tried to dehumanize me, the same

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<v Speaker 1>way he compared Verak Kendrick to a parrot with the

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<v Speaker 1>whole Polly wants a cracker thing, or the way he

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<v Speaker 1>dumped the body of Billy Boy Reeves in the garbage

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<v Speaker 1>is if he weren't even a real person. He goes

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<v Speaker 1>on to say that he liked my writing, so it

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<v Speaker 1>would probably be most poetic if I were his final victim.

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<v Speaker 1>Then seemed to delight in telling me that I would

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<v Speaker 1>never know when he was wrapping things up and when

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<v Speaker 1>my time would come. He jumps back and forth between

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<v Speaker 1>discussing me his other victims, the incompetence of Sheriff Stokes

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<v Speaker 1>and the rest of the police, and of course the

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<v Speaker 1>approaching turn of the millennium, and how God was going

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<v Speaker 1>to rain destruction down on us all and blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 1>It was somehow both incredibly tedious and extremely terrifying at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time.

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<v Speaker 3>I always thought that was intentional on his part. What

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<v Speaker 3>do you mean, Well, he was trying to sound crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he regretted sending you that first letter. Maybe

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<v Speaker 3>he felt like he was giving you too much about himself.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, the second one was like performative, almost, or

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<v Speaker 3>maybe like he was just throwing a bunch of stuff

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<v Speaker 3>against the wall to see if it would stick.

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<v Speaker 1>The last third or so of the letter was almost

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<v Speaker 1>all incoherent rambling, eventually and mercifully concluding with a lyric

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<v Speaker 1>from black Hole Sun, a song by the grunge band Soundgarden.

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<v Speaker 1>One of Stokes's deputies recognized.

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<v Speaker 3>It call my name through the cream and I'll hear

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<v Speaker 3>you scream again. I mean, what kind of messed up

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<v Speaker 3>shit is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Cornell, the lead singer and songwriter for Soundgarden, would

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<v Speaker 1>later that the song's lyrics have little, if any literal meaning.

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<v Speaker 1>He claims to have just been playing around with the

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<v Speaker 1>words just for the sake of playing around with them,

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<v Speaker 1>and that if you really listen or just read the lyrics,

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard to make much sense out of them. But

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<v Speaker 1>the song is undeniably bleak, and it's not hard to

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<v Speaker 1>see how a twisted mind might choose to interpret it,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like how Charles Manson formed his own interpretation

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<v Speaker 1>of the songs from the Beatles White Album, leading him

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<v Speaker 1>to direct his followers to commit a slew of murders.

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<v Speaker 1>In the late nineteen sixties, Dark Stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>It was almost a year since the murders of the

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<v Speaker 3>ASU students, and we were all worried, especially after that

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<v Speaker 3>whole Angela Bauers thing. What spring Break nineteen ninety five,

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<v Speaker 3>What happens to her? That second letter, you know, made

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<v Speaker 3>us worry a hell of a lot more. Anyway, I

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<v Speaker 3>sent both letters up to the FBI for analysis, hoping

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<v Speaker 3>they could give us, you know, I don't know, something

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<v Speaker 3>to help us, you know, name a new suspect.

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<v Speaker 1>And then well, three days after I received the killer's

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<v Speaker 1>second letter in the mail, eighteen year old Juan Costas

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<v Speaker 1>was found dead under the Domino Beach boardwalk. It was

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<v Speaker 1>less than a week before the first crop of spring

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<v Speaker 1>Breakers were set to arrive. Juan had been stabbed in

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<v Speaker 1>the torso and neck over forty times.

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<v Speaker 4>That one.

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<v Speaker 3>That one hit hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Maya Morales resident of Domino Beach at the time of

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<v Speaker 1>the murders.

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<v Speaker 4>Juan was a friend more than a friend. He was

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<v Speaker 4>like family to me. His mother and my mother were friends.

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<v Speaker 4>There weren't a lot of Latino people living in the

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<v Speaker 4>city of Domino Beach back then, and we all kind

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<v Speaker 4>of stuck together, you know, looked out for each other.

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<v Speaker 4>So Juan's mother died when he was in middle school,

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<v Speaker 4>and his dad worked all the time. So my mom

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<v Speaker 4>kind of took Juan in and she gave him me,

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<v Speaker 4>she helped out with his homework. She sometimes let him

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<v Speaker 4>sleep on the couch. Seemed like he was almost always

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<v Speaker 4>over at my place, and he became like a little

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<v Speaker 4>brother to me. But by the time he was like

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<v Speaker 4>sixteen or seventeen, he stopped coming around so much, but

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<v Speaker 4>I still saw him all the time. Where would you

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<v Speaker 4>see him, I don't know around. You'd come to the

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<v Speaker 4>record store and hang out and talk music. Some days

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<v Speaker 4>I'd see him on the skateboard in the parking lot

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<v Speaker 4>near the boardwalk, that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And what was he like?

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<v Speaker 4>Funny funny in a kind of goofy way, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>always making dumb jokes, trying to do impressions of Red

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<v Speaker 4>and Stimpy or Beavis and butt Head. He was so

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<v Speaker 4>terrible at it, but somehow you could always.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell who he was trying to do.

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<v Speaker 4>And he was small for his age, skinny and shorter

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<v Speaker 4>than most of the other kids. He got down a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit at school, but I don't think it was

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<v Speaker 4>too bad. Of course. One way he got the bullying

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<v Speaker 4>to slow down was by telling everyone he was ganged up.

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<v Speaker 1>One was in a gang.

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<v Speaker 4>Hell no, he just said that so he could get people.

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<v Speaker 1>To leave him alone.

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<v Speaker 4>He didn't have a violent phone in his body. He

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<v Speaker 4>was a good kid.

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<v Speaker 3>Well that's a pretty charitable assessment of mister Costas.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, former Sheriff Damon Stokes.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd busted him for selling heroin when he was still

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<v Speaker 3>young enough to duck the charge. I knew it wasn't his,

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<v Speaker 3>but he never gave up who he was selling for.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, you know, I think he was doing

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<v Speaker 3>more than pretending to be in a gang. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>it was southern California in the mid nineteen nineties. Gangs

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<v Speaker 3>were everywhere back then, especially places that had a drug trade,

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<v Speaker 3>even places like Domino Beach.

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<v Speaker 1>So even with the timing of the letter and everything,

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't think one's death was the work of the

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<v Speaker 1>Domino Beach killer. You thought it was a gang thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, the Domino Beach killer wasn't off the

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<v Speaker 3>table or anything. But with the exception of Billy Boy Reeves,

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<v Speaker 3>who we figured was practice for him, our guy seemed

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<v Speaker 3>to be targeting young women and his crimes almost always

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<v Speaker 3>had a sexual component to him. If Juan Costas was

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<v Speaker 3>one of his victims, then that meant the killer was

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<v Speaker 3>branching out, you know, trying something new.

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<v Speaker 1>What evidence did you have that it was a gang issue.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, nothing concrete, but like the Domino Beach Killer, gangs

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<v Speaker 3>like to send messages. A lot of times those messages

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<v Speaker 3>are left where the right people we'll see them, like

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<v Speaker 3>under the boardwalk where a lot of drugs happened to

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<v Speaker 3>be sold.

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<v Speaker 1>You thought something similar about the murder of Billy Boy Reeves.

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<v Speaker 1>You thought he was a victim of the drug trade too,

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<v Speaker 1>and you were wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>But I couldn't pin every violent crime we came across

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<v Speaker 3>on a serial killer we couldn't find.

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote the article covering the death of Juan Costas,

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<v Speaker 1>and while I included Sheriff stokes take, I offered a

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<v Speaker 1>little speculation that it could have just has easily been

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<v Speaker 1>the work of the Domino Beach Killer. In my opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>Stokes was too focused on the sexual nature of the

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<v Speaker 1>previous crimes. It seemed to me that the killer strangled

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<v Speaker 1>the victims he raped. Those two things seemed to go

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<v Speaker 1>hand in hand. But he wasn't afraid to use a knife.

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<v Speaker 1>He'd used one on Billy Boy Reeves when he slid

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<v Speaker 1>his throat, and he'd stabbed the ASU students. He didn't

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<v Speaker 1>sexually assault to death with a kitchen knife, and both

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<v Speaker 1>of them had dozens of stab wounds, just like Jan

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<v Speaker 1>cost Us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, poor Wan.

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<v Speaker 5>I always like that kid.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Connor Langford, son of Domino Beach City councilman Greg Langford,

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<v Speaker 1>on again off again boyfriend to Maya Morales and the

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<v Speaker 1>person who discovered the body of the killer's first victim,

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<v Speaker 1>Vera Hendrick.

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<v Speaker 2>But Maya and I weren't really on the best of

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<v Speaker 2>terms when he was killed a couple months earlier, she

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<v Speaker 2>found out I was sleeping with this girl from San

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<v Speaker 2>Diego and called it quits this time for good. I

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<v Speaker 2>was fucking stupid that girl, Sure as hell wasn't worth

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<v Speaker 2>losing Maya over, but I was making all kinds of

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<v Speaker 2>really bad decisions that wasn't exactly in the best head

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<v Speaker 2>space back then. Why not, Well, my band broke up

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<v Speaker 2>for one thing. There was in the fall of ninety

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<v Speaker 2>four when Brody Brody was the drummer.

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<v Speaker 1>Brody Hanigan, your friend who was with you when you

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<v Speaker 1>found Vera's body.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the band was really just me and him, Me

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<v Speaker 2>on guitar and vocals, Brody on drums. I can't even

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<v Speaker 2>tell you how many bass players we went through but

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<v Speaker 2>it was a lot anyways. Brody was always a little

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<v Speaker 2>more serious than me about, you know, the whole rock

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<v Speaker 2>star thing. He wanted to move to Seattle, because if

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<v Speaker 2>you were trying to be in a rock band in

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<v Speaker 2>the nineties, Seattle was the place to be, but I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't go. I wanted to stay in Domino Beach. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no surfing in Seattle, right. So after a while

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<v Speaker 2>of him asking and me saying no, he was like,

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<v Speaker 2>fuck it, bro see you later, and he bounced out

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<v Speaker 2>of town. So I had no band and no girl.

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<v Speaker 2>The only thing I did have was a fucking drug

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<v Speaker 2>problem that was getting worse and worse by the day.

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<v Speaker 2>So at least I had something to spend all my

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<v Speaker 2>time and money on. I knew Maya was hurting over

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<v Speaker 2>Wan's murder, and I wanted to comfort her so bad.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I was hoping she'd want to lean on me,

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<v Speaker 2>a familiar shoulder to cry on, you know, But she

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't even take my calls.

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<v Speaker 1>How did that make you feel?

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<v Speaker 5>How the fuck you think?

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<v Speaker 2>It made me feel bad, real fucking bad.

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<v Speaker 5>But that doesn't mean.

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<v Speaker 3>Fuck it.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the matter now?

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<v Speaker 1>By the spring of nineteen ninety five. All of us

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<v Speaker 1>in Domino Beach were well aware of Connor Langford's downward spiral.

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<v Speaker 1>Just a few short years ago, he had been the

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<v Speaker 1>perfect representation of Domino Beach, the easy going surfer dude,

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<v Speaker 1>want to be rock star with an easy smile, who

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<v Speaker 1>is everyone's friend, and the complete opposite of his conservative,

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<v Speaker 1>politically ambitious father. Connor would turn your head when he

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<v Speaker 1>walked into a room. He had charisma for days and

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<v Speaker 1>didn't seem to have a care in the world. But

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<v Speaker 1>that had changed.

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<v Speaker 4>I never thought he was a bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Guy again, Maya Morales.

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<v Speaker 4>He was just going through a really rough time without

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<v Speaker 4>Brody in the band, and okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Without me.

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<v Speaker 4>Connor did not know who he was anymore. I mean

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<v Speaker 4>there he was closing it on thirty years old, and

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<v Speaker 4>I think he started to realize that he was passing

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<v Speaker 4>his life away. Everyone around him was growing up and

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<v Speaker 4>either leaving town or getting a job or trying new things,

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<v Speaker 4>and he was just same old Connor. Well that's not true.

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<v Speaker 4>He was trying to be the same old Connor, but

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<v Speaker 4>that guy was long gone.

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<v Speaker 1>The murder of Juan Costas didn't land the way some

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<v Speaker 1>of the others had. Maybe because Stokes didn't push that

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<v Speaker 1>it was the work of our serial killer, or maybe

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<v Speaker 1>we were all just jaded by what had happened the

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<v Speaker 1>year before. In a is that all you got kind

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<v Speaker 1>of way, when you stacked it up against the murders

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<v Speaker 1>of spring Break nineteen ninety four, it didn't compare. I

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<v Speaker 1>know that sounds suppressingly cynical, but look, as a culture,

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<v Speaker 1>America gets really upset when bad things happen to pretty

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<v Speaker 1>white girls like Collie Blake, Sandra Gerard, Mary Crouch, Angela Bauers,

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<v Speaker 1>even homeless bohemian Vera Hendrick. But a teenage junkie like

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<v Speaker 1>Billy Boy Reeves, or a Hispanic kid with suspected gang

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<v Speaker 1>ties like Jan Costas, they just didn't rate. But that

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<v Speaker 1>being said, spring Break nineteen ninety five was pretty slow

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<v Speaker 1>by Domino Beach standards. By then, the murders of the

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<v Speaker 1>ASU students the year before had become almost the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>of legend. And after the failed abduction of Angela Bauers

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<v Speaker 1>in November and the two letters I received, the first

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<v Speaker 1>of which was published in the paper, it seemed pretty

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<v Speaker 1>clear to everyone that Domino Beach a serial killer problem

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<v Speaker 1>was far from over. And then finally a break in

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<v Speaker 1>the case.

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<v Speaker 3>It was mid April, I think with me got the

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<v Speaker 3>analysis of the two letters back from the FBI. There

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<v Speaker 3>was some profiling stuff based on handwriting, but even the

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<v Speaker 3>FBI admitted it was pure speculation since they were written

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<v Speaker 3>in block letters, I mean, white male, mid twenties to

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<v Speaker 3>mid thirties, et cetera. But the gold nugget and all

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<v Speaker 3>that turned out to have nothing to do with psychology.

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<v Speaker 3>It was the paper the letters were written on.

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<v Speaker 1>Stokes didn't release this information publicly, so I didn't find

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<v Speaker 1>out about it until much later. The FBI analyzed the

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<v Speaker 1>paper and found that it was actually somewhat new. Apparently

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<v Speaker 1>there was a faulty watermark on both sheets of paper

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<v Speaker 1>used to write the letters. The paper company's name had

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<v Speaker 1>been misspelled, and most of the reams of that paper

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<v Speaker 1>had been recalled. Most but not all, at least two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred reams were sold around southern California.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't exactly a smoking gun, but you know, it

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<v Speaker 3>was something. If we could find where the paper was sold,

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<v Speaker 3>which was pretty big, if we could find the killer,

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<v Speaker 3>or at least whoever sent the letters, it would just.

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<v Speaker 1>Take time, and time was something Domino Beach was running

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<v Speaker 1>short on in spring and summer of nineteen ninety five.

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<v Speaker 1>Tourism had fallen by fifty percent over the previous year,

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<v Speaker 1>and Councilman Langford was not happy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my dad was tough to be around back then,

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<v Speaker 2>not that I was any picnic either. We fought all

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<v Speaker 2>the fucking time. He told me to get the hell

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<v Speaker 2>out and find my own place, but I wouldn't. I

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<v Speaker 2>just stayed in the poolhouse. One time he changed the

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<v Speaker 2>locks and I just broke a window. It wasn't like

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<v Speaker 2>he was ever gonna call the cops on me.

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<v Speaker 5>Can you imagine?

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<v Speaker 2>I bet you would have written a hell of a

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<v Speaker 2>story about the councilman having his own son rested.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I would have gotten that assignment, but

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<v Speaker 1>I sure would have gone after it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess I did go a little extra hard

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<v Speaker 2>on him. I was dealing with a lot of shit,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't know he was an easy target for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Connor was indeed going hard on his dad back in

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<v Speaker 1>spring of nineteen ninety five. Since his band had broken up,

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<v Speaker 1>he had joined a local cover band that played at

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<v Speaker 1>Triple B's three nights a week. Now. I've never claimed

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<v Speaker 1>to know much about music, But one thing I know

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<v Speaker 1>is that cover bands don't usually have to be all

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<v Speaker 1>that good. As long as they've got the right tune

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<v Speaker 1>and know most of the words, people will dance and

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<v Speaker 1>sing along. And the cover band Connor was playing guitar

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<v Speaker 1>and singing for in April of nineteen ninety five was deaf,

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<v Speaker 1>not good even for a cover band. But in spite

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<v Speaker 1>of their questionable quality, and in spite of the decrease

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<v Speaker 1>in tourists, they played to a full house pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>every night, mostly because it was a spectacle. Connor was

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<v Speaker 1>always drunk or stoned out of his mind when he

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<v Speaker 1>was performing, and was known to spit beer on the crowd,

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<v Speaker 1>or moon them or curse them out, which the visiting

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<v Speaker 1>college kids found absolutely hysterical. The locals came to watch

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<v Speaker 1>him for a different reason. In between songs, Connor was

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<v Speaker 1>prone to ranting about his father, mostly just complaining about

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<v Speaker 1>what a terrible dad he was, but sometimes airing dirty

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<v Speaker 1>laundry or accusing him of corruption. I went to see

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<v Speaker 1>the band play one Friday night in late April, hoping

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<v Speaker 1>to write a piece that would infuriate Councilman Langford if

0:23:46.960 --> 0:23:49.800
<v Speaker 1>I could convince Lauren Redman to publish it. As it

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<v Speaker 1>turned out, I got a lot more than I bargained for.

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<v Speaker 1>It was about six or seven songs deep in the

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<v Speaker 1>set when Connor brought the show to a screeching halt

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<v Speaker 1>and started mumbling incoherently into the microphone. In the moments

0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:08.920
<v Speaker 1>when you could actually understand what he was saying, he

0:24:08.960 --> 0:24:11.920
<v Speaker 1>called out his dad for his conservative politics and how

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<v Speaker 1>in his mind they conflicted with the whole vibe of

0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:18.960
<v Speaker 1>Domino Beach. Then he was ranting about arguments with his

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<v Speaker 1>father and arguments his mother had with his father.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't need to do anything, you race piece.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet he called his father out as being verbally abusive

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<v Speaker 1>and implied he hit him and his mother.

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<v Speaker 5>You're a fucking joke. God damn it, Connor, what are

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<v Speaker 5>you gonna do? Hit me again? Come on then, bitch.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course he blamed his father for the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that the Domino Beach killer was still at large.

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<v Speaker 5>This is your fault.

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<v Speaker 1>During the nearly five minute rants, the other members of

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<v Speaker 1>the band tried at least three times to start playing

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<v Speaker 1>hope and Connor would drop his ranting and go along

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<v Speaker 1>with them, but it didn't work. Connor would just wave

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<v Speaker 1>them off and then go back to whatever it was

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<v Speaker 1>he was complaining about, until finally Connor put his hands

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<v Speaker 1>on his guitar again and started playing. He was so

0:25:03.720 --> 0:25:06.120
<v Speaker 1>drunk it took the rest of the band a few

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<v Speaker 1>bars to even work out what he had started to play.

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<v Speaker 1>But when they did figure it out and joined in,

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<v Speaker 1>my heart sank. It was a very sloppy, off key

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<v Speaker 1>rendition of Soundgarden's black Hole Sun And as he sang

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<v Speaker 1>that line, call my name through the cream and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>hear you scream again. I don't think he was actually

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<v Speaker 1>looking at me, but somehow I felt his eyes. I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't explain it then and I still can't, but that

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<v Speaker 1>is the moment, the moment I decided that the killer

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<v Speaker 1>plaguing Domino Beach was none other than Connor Langford. The

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<v Speaker 1>Murder Years is a production of AYR Media and iHeartMedia

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<v Speaker 1>Executive producer Elisa Rosen for AYR Media. Written by Tim Huddleston,

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<v Speaker 1>directed by Alisa Rosen, Editing and sound designed by Tristan Bankston,

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<v Speaker 1>Consulting producer Jean Chandil, coordinator Olive Goldberg. Audio engineering and

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<v Speaker 1>mastering by Justin Longerbeam Studio engineer Josh Hook. Original music

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<v Speaker 1>by Nathan Bankston. Original concept developed in partnership with Anne,

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<v Speaker 1>Margaret Johns and Greg Spring, Executive producer for iHeartMedia. Maya Howard.

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<v Speaker 1>Performances for this episode by Erica Leniac as Courtney Barnes,

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Virtue as Sheriff Damon Stokes, Alex Salem as Connor Langford,

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<v Speaker 1>Melon Faxis as Maya Morales, Amy Phillips as Angela Bowers