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Speaker 1: The following podcast contains explicit descriptions of violence, including sexual violence,

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Speaker 1: that some listeners may find upsetting. Continue at your own risk.

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Speaker 1: My name is Courtney Barnes and I'm the author of

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Speaker 1: All Fall Down, the Story of the Domino Beach Murders.

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Speaker 1: With this podcast, I've decided to revisit the murders of

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Speaker 1: the serial killer who terrorized the small southern California beach

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Speaker 1: community I called home back in the nineteen nineties. As

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Speaker 1: I mentioned in episode one, I followed the case from

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Speaker 1: the very beginning, from the rape and strangulation of nineteen

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Speaker 1: year old Via Kendrick in nineteen ninety two, to the

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Speaker 1: discovery of the body of young heroin attic Billy Boy

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Speaker 1: Reeves about ten months later, to the absolute horror show

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Speaker 1: that was the murders of three college students during spring

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Speaker 1: break nineteen ninety four. I've talked about how Gregg Langford,

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Speaker 1: a powerful city councilman back in those days, sought to

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Speaker 1: sweep it all under the rug so that Domino Beach

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Speaker 1: is tourism industry wouldn't suffer. And I've told you how

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Speaker 1: Stan Major's, an ex COHN and registered sex offender, was

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Speaker 1: deemed guilty for at least some of the murders in

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Speaker 1: the court of public opinion, and as a result, ended

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Speaker 1: up taking his own life. And in our last episode,

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Speaker 1: you heard the story of Angela Bowers, the first victim

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Speaker 1: to escape from the Domino Beach Killer with her life,

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Speaker 1: and you heard it directly from her, in her own words.

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Speaker 1: So then then he presses my body up against the car,

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Speaker 1: the door of the back seat, I mean, and he

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Speaker 1: this hot breath in my ear, and he says, oh,

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Speaker 1: and he's doing this thing with his voice, like you

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Speaker 1: know how everyone who plays Batman, how they make their

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Speaker 1: voice all low and gravelly like that. Anyway, he says,

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Speaker 1: and these are his exact words, green, and you die

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Speaker 1: right here. And now, finally I told you how after

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Speaker 1: I wrote about Angela's harrowing ordeal in the SoCal Journal,

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Speaker 1: the newspaper I had been working for since pretty much

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Speaker 1: the moment I graduated college, I received a letter in

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Speaker 1: the mail from someone claiming to be the killer himself.

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Speaker 2: Rangel may have flewn away, but I think I like

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Speaker 2: you better anyhow.

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Speaker 3: One day I think i'd like for you to meet me.

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Speaker 1: It was because of that letter that authorities, led by

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Speaker 1: Delsoul County Sheriff Damon Stokes, were finally able to link

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Speaker 1: all five murders and the attempted abduction of Angela Bauers

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Speaker 1: to one person, one person whose identity at the beginning

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Speaker 1: of nineteen ninety five was still a mystery. I'm Courtney

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Speaker 1: Barnes and this is the Murder Years, Episode five, Black

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Speaker 1: Hole Sun. I turned twenty four in January of nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety five, around the same time that Glenn Sherman, the

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Speaker 1: so CAW Journal's crime and politics reporter, officially left Domino

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Speaker 1: Beach for the greener pastures of the La Times. The

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Speaker 1: from the Domino Beach killer who had sent me his

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Speaker 1: first yes, first letter, but also from some national publications

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Speaker 1: who picked up the story. I was far from a

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Speaker 1: household name and no one was asking me to appear

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Speaker 1: being hailed as a rising voice of feminism and victim advocacy,

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Speaker 1: at the time. But that article had also got me

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Speaker 1: back on the radar of Domino Beach City Councilman Greg Langford,

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Speaker 1: who was decidedly less of a fan, which was almost

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Speaker 1: certainly why I was not named Glenn Sherman's replacement as

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Speaker 1: so Cal Journal. Greg Langford made it clear that the

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Speaker 1: council had it in its power to make things difficult

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Speaker 1: for the paper if I was given that role. For example,

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Speaker 1: he made a veiled threat that we could be denied

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Speaker 1: of thing. However, Lauren Redman, the so Cal Journal's editor

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Speaker 1: in chief, figured out a loophole. She made the decision

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Speaker 1: which meant I wouldn't cover any stories dealing with local

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Speaker 1: notes on city council meetings, which suited me just fine.

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Speaker 1: So even though I was still on lifestyle entertainment, I

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Speaker 3: Got to admit I didn't like you for the longest time.

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Speaker 1: That's former del Soul County Sheriff Damon Stokes never won

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Speaker 1: to sugarcoat his feelings.

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Speaker 3: And not because of all the things you said about

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Speaker 1: I never said anything that wasn't supported by facts.

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Speaker 3: Well maybe that's technically true. But you had a way

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Speaker 1: Well, some would say I still do.

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Speaker 3: I don't doubt it. You were a master of subtexts.

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Speaker 3: If you wanted folks to feel a certain way about

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Speaker 1: Men. I'll take that as a compliment.

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Speaker 3: Take it however you like. Some may take it as

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's fair. I was just trying to

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Speaker 3: A champion of truth. Yeah, something along those sides, right.

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Speaker 3: I read you book, Courtney. I know how you see yourself.

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Speaker 3: We're all heroes in our own stories.

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Speaker 1: Are I never saw myself as a hero? Are you

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Speaker 3: That way I saw myself as sheriff of a county

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Speaker 3: that was living in fear, and there were times I

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Speaker 3: thought you were fanning the flames of that fear. I

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Speaker 3: started to see your potential, Your potential become part of

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Speaker 3: the solution instead of, you know, someone who was shining

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Speaker 3: brought me that second letter.

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Speaker 1: Okay, wait a second, let's not get ahead of ourselves.

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Speaker 1: The second letter Stokes just mentioned was delivered to me

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Speaker 1: at the offices of the SoCal Journal on the last

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Speaker 1: day of March nineteen ninety five. I remember it clearly

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Speaker 1: because when the letter was dropped on my desk, I

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Speaker 1: was working on a piece about the Mexican American pop

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Speaker 1: who'd sent me that first letter. After the Angeli Bauers

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Speaker 1: I probably should have taken it directly to Sheriff Stokes,

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Speaker 2: Media staked out this spot in your Kazinski's cabin all day.

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Speaker 3: The suspect apparently lives up this road, but FBI agents

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Speaker 3: won't let anyone throw and we'll make no comments.

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Speaker 1: If you're old enough, you might remember the release of

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Speaker 1: the Unibomber's Manifesto, which happened in September of nineteen ninety five,

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Speaker 1: little less than six months after I received the second

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Speaker 1: you our guy could give Ted Kazinski a run for

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Speaker 1: The second letter was much longer and harder to follow

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Speaker 1: He was much more explicit about his beliefs that I

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Speaker 3: Know I could clean eminem. I can't decide if I

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Speaker 1: Notice the way he tried to dehumanize me, the same

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Speaker 1: way he compared Verak Kendrick to a parrot with the

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Speaker 1: would probably be most poetic if I were his final victim.

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Speaker 1: Then seemed to delight in telling me that I would

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Speaker 1: It was somehow both incredibly tedious and extremely terrifying at

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Speaker 3: I always thought that was intentional on his part. What

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Speaker 3: I think he regretted sending you that first letter. Maybe

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Speaker 3: I mean, the second one was like performative, almost, or

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Speaker 1: all incoherent rambling, eventually and mercifully concluding with a lyric

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Speaker 1: from black Hole Sun, a song by the grunge band Soundgarden.

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Speaker 1: One of Stokes's deputies recognized.

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Speaker 3: It call my name through the cream and I'll hear

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Speaker 3: you scream again. I mean, what kind of messed up

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Speaker 1: later that the song's lyrics have little, if any literal meaning.

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Speaker 1: In the late nineteen sixties, Dark Stuff.

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Speaker 3: It was almost a year since the murders of the

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Speaker 3: whole Angela Bauers thing. What spring Break nineteen ninety five,

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Speaker 3: What happens to her? That second letter, you know, made

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Speaker 1: And then well, three days after I received the killer's

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Speaker 1: Breakers were set to arrive. Juan had been stabbed in

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Speaker 3: That one hit hard.

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Speaker 1: Maya Morales resident of Domino Beach at the time of

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Speaker 4: Juan was a friend more than a friend. He was

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Speaker 4: like family to me. His mother and my mother were friends.

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Speaker 4: There weren't a lot of Latino people living in the

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Speaker 4: So Juan's mother died when he was in middle school,

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Speaker 1: And what was he like?

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Speaker 4: Funny funny in a kind of goofy way, you know,

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Speaker 1: Tell who he was trying to do.

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Speaker 4: And he was small for his age, skinny and shorter

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Speaker 4: too bad. Of course. One way he got the bullying

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Speaker 1: One was in a gang.

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Speaker 4: Hell no, he just said that so he could get people.

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Speaker 1: To leave him alone.

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Speaker 4: He didn't have a violent phone in his body. He

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Speaker 3: Well that's a pretty charitable assessment of mister Costas.

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Speaker 1: Again, former Sheriff Damon Stokes.

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Speaker 3: I'd busted him for selling heroin when he was still

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Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, I think he was doing

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Speaker 1: So even with the timing of the letter and everything,

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, the Domino Beach killer wasn't off the

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Speaker 1: What evidence did you have that it was a gang issue.

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Speaker 3: Well, nothing concrete, but like the Domino Beach Killer, gangs

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Speaker 3: like to send messages. A lot of times those messages

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Speaker 1: You thought something similar about the murder of Billy Boy Reeves.

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Speaker 3: But I couldn't pin every violent crime we came across

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Speaker 1: I wrote the article covering the death of Juan Costas,

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Speaker 1: He'd used one on Billy Boy Reeves when he slid

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Speaker 1: his throat, and he'd stabbed the ASU students. He didn't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, poor Wan.

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Speaker 5: I always like that kid.

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Speaker 1: That's Connor Langford, son of Domino Beach City councilman Greg Langford,

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Speaker 1: on again off again boyfriend to Maya Morales and the

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Speaker 1: Vera Hendrick.

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Speaker 2: But Maya and I weren't really on the best of

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Speaker 2: Diego and called it quits this time for good. I

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Speaker 2: was fucking stupid that girl, Sure as hell wasn't worth

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Speaker 2: space back then. Why not, Well, my band broke up

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Speaker 2: for one thing. There was in the fall of ninety

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Speaker 1: Brody Hanigan, your friend who was with you when you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the band was really just me and him, Me

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Speaker 2: tell you how many bass players we went through but

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Speaker 2: it was a lot anyways. Brody was always a little

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Speaker 2: more serious than me about, you know, the whole rock

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Speaker 2: the nineties, Seattle was the place to be, but I

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Speaker 2: there's no surfing in Seattle, right. So after a while

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Speaker 2: of him asking and me saying no, he was like,

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Speaker 2: fuck it, bro see you later, and he bounced out

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Speaker 2: The only thing I did have was a fucking drug

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Speaker 2: So at least I had something to spend all my

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Speaker 2: Wan's murder, and I wanted to comfort her so bad.

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Speaker 2: I guess I was hoping she'd want to lean on me,

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Speaker 2: a familiar shoulder to cry on, you know, But she

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Speaker 1: How did that make you feel?

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Speaker 5: How the fuck you think?

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Speaker 2: It made me feel bad, real fucking bad.

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Speaker 5: But that doesn't mean.

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Speaker 3: Fuck it.

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Speaker 2: What's the matter now?

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Speaker 1: By the spring of nineteen ninety five. All of us

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Speaker 1: Just a few short years ago, he had been the

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Speaker 4: I never thought he was a bad.

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Speaker 1: Guy again, Maya Morales.

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Speaker 4: He was just going through a really rough time without

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Speaker 4: Brody in the band, and okay.

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Speaker 1: Without me.

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Speaker 4: Connor did not know who he was anymore. I mean

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Speaker 4: there he was closing it on thirty years old, and

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Speaker 4: I think he started to realize that he was passing

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Speaker 4: and he was just same old Connor. Well that's not true.

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Speaker 4: He was trying to be the same old Connor, but

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Speaker 1: The murder of Juan Costas didn't land the way some

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Speaker 1: of the others had. Maybe because Stokes didn't push that

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Speaker 1: it was the work of our serial killer, or maybe

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Speaker 1: we were all just jaded by what had happened the

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Speaker 1: year before. In a is that all you got kind

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Speaker 1: of way, when you stacked it up against the murders

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Speaker 1: of spring Break nineteen ninety four, it didn't compare. I

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Speaker 1: know that sounds suppressingly cynical, but look, as a culture,

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Speaker 1: America gets really upset when bad things happen to pretty

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Speaker 1: ties like Jan Costas, they just didn't rate. But that

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Speaker 1: ASU students the year before had become almost the stuff

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Speaker 1: clear to everyone that Domino Beach a serial killer problem

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Speaker 1: was far from over. And then finally a break in

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Speaker 3: It was mid April, I think with me got the

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Speaker 3: analysis of the two letters back from the FBI. There

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Speaker 3: that turned out to have nothing to do with psychology.

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Speaker 3: It was the paper the letters were written on.

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Speaker 1: Stokes didn't release this information publicly, so I didn't find

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Speaker 3: It wasn't exactly a smoking gun, but you know, it

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Speaker 3: which was pretty big, if we could find the killer,

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Speaker 3: or at least whoever sent the letters, it would just.

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Speaker 1: Take time, and time was something Domino Beach was running

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Speaker 1: Tourism had fallen by fifty percent over the previous year,

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Speaker 1: and Councilman Langford was not happy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my dad was tough to be around back then,

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Speaker 2: not that I was any picnic either. We fought all

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Speaker 5: Can you imagine?

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Speaker 2: I bet you would have written a hell of a

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Speaker 1: I don't think I would have gotten that assignment, but

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Speaker 1: I sure would have gone after it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I did go a little extra hard

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Speaker 1: Connor was indeed going hard on his dad back in

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Speaker 1: spring of nineteen ninety five. Since his band had broken up,

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Speaker 1: he had joined a local cover band that played at

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Speaker 1: I could convince Lauren Redman to publish it. As it

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Speaker 1: It was about six or seven songs deep in the

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Speaker 1: called out his dad for his conservative politics and how

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Speaker 1: in his mind they conflicted with the whole vibe of

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Speaker 1: Domino Beach. Then he was ranting about arguments with his

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Speaker 1: father and arguments his mother had with his father.

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Speaker 5: I don't need to do anything, you race piece.

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Speaker 1: Yet he called his father out as being verbally abusive

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Speaker 1: and implied he hit him and his mother.

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Speaker 5: You're a fucking joke. God damn it, Connor, what are

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Speaker 5: you gonna do? Hit me again? Come on then, bitch.

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Speaker 1: And of course he blamed his father for the fact

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Speaker 1: that the Domino Beach killer was still at large.

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Speaker 5: This is your fault.

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Speaker 1: During the nearly five minute rants, the other members of

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Speaker 1: the band tried at least three times to start playing

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Speaker 1: hope and Connor would drop his ranting and go along

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Speaker 1: with them, but it didn't work. Connor would just wave

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Speaker 1: he was complaining about, until finally Connor put his hands

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Speaker 1: on his guitar again and started playing. He was so

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Speaker 1: drunk it took the rest of the band a few

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Speaker 1: bars to even work out what he had started to play.

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Speaker 1: But when they did figure it out and joined in,

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Speaker 1: my heart sank. It was a very sloppy, off key

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Speaker 1: rendition of Soundgarden's black Hole Sun And as he sang

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Speaker 1: that line, call my name through the cream and I'll

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Speaker 1: hear you scream again. I don't think he was actually

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Speaker 1: looking at me, but somehow I felt his eyes. I

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Speaker 1: couldn't explain it then and I still can't, but that

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Speaker 1: is the moment, the moment I decided that the killer

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Speaker 1: plaguing Domino Beach was none other than Connor Langford. The

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Speaker 1: Murder Years is a production of AYR Media and iHeartMedia

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Speaker 1: Executive producer Elisa Rosen for AYR Media. Written by Tim Huddleston,

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Speaker 1: directed by Alisa Rosen, Editing and sound designed by Tristan Bankston,

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Speaker 1: Consulting producer Jean Chandil, coordinator Olive Goldberg. Audio engineering and

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Speaker 1: mastering by Justin Longerbeam Studio engineer Josh Hook. Original music

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Speaker 1: by Nathan Bankston. Original concept developed in partnership with Anne,

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Speaker 1: Margaret Johns and Greg Spring, Executive producer for iHeartMedia. Maya Howard.

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Speaker 1: Performances for this episode by Erica Leniac as Courtney Barnes,

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Speaker 1: Tom Virtue as Sheriff Damon Stokes, Alex Salem as Connor Langford,

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Speaker 1: Melon Faxis as Maya Morales, Amy Phillips as Angela Bowers