WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Flight MH370 Update 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:17.239 Thinking sideways. I don't never stories of things simply don't 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:23.720 know the answer too well. Hi, there, welcome the Thing 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:28.160 Sideways the podcast. I'm Joe run by I'm Steve. Okay, 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:30.440 tonight we're giving you a quick update on Alasian flight 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:32.479 through seventy and that's why we're talking so fast. So 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:37.000 without any further ado, let's get right into the story. Okay, 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:40.920 just kidding, folks. Yeah, this is a So this is 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:44.199 a real quick little update, little bonus episode for you guys. Uh. 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:47.120 Since we posted our episode about m AS three seventy, 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:48.720 there have been a few developments we wanted to bring 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:49.960 you guys up to data on if you were to 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:54.720 wear them. Uh. First development, Australian company named Geo Residence 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:56.920 claims that they have found a jet liner. The day 0:00:56.960 --> 0:01:01.320 have been goal. Where's that It's to the east of India. Yeah, 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:05.520 uh so anyway they say nobody is Uh. The Australian 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:08.360 government has actually said they don't take their claim seriously. 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:10.200 Nobody else has actually bothered to go out and have 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:12.680 a look seed find that it's there and it's it 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:15.840 really is. Actually, it seems like unlikely that it's in 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:18.720 that spot because they kept flying for a long a 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:21.160 much longer period of time than it would have taken 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:23.360 for the plane to get to the Bay of Bengal. 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:25.560 So they may or may not have found it. I 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:30.440 don't think it's likely. Well, yeah, nobody's really taking it seriously. 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:34.080 And what are they basing this discovery on. Yeah, is 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:37.039 it's photographs that they they're looking at. I think that. Well, 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:39.760 that their mission is to find stuff on the ocean floor, 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:42.720 usually minerals, and apparently one of the ways they do 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:45.240 it is by sniffing the air above above the above 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:47.040 the sea, and they can they can get traces of 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:50.400 various various things like elements and things like that. And 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:53.080 apparently they found traces of things like that you would 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:55.560 expect to find in a plane crash site, like traces 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:58.920 of jet fuel or at least thee the odor of 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:03.360 jet fuel trade is aluminum. They're using person pretty much 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:06.600 using and not. Yeah, and so anyway, I'm I don't 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:09.160 know exactly how their technology works, and they might not. 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:11.639 They probably don't want to like fill everybody in on 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:13.600 all the dirty little details of how their tech works. 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:15.400 But they claimed that they found it, and they're standing 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:17.720 by their claim. They claimed that they found this or 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:20.040 that they found a plane crash. Well, that's true, they 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:22.680 found a play crash. It sounds like that's what they're saying. Okay, 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:25.320 that's that's development number one, development number two. Now, I 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:28.760 know everybody has heard about this. They decided that the 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:31.680 plane took the southern route. And the reason they've decided 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:35.520 that is the company that owns the satellite that did 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:39.359 all the pinging on the plane in Marseille, yeah or 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:43.799 in Marsett excuse me, uh, They analyze their satellite data 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:47.239 and they announced that they were highly confident that m. A. 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:50.839 Street seventies flew south and not north. Because remember, at first, 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:53.400 there was just a series of pings that went from 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:56.079 the satellite down to the plane. The plane replied back, 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:59.760 and as as time went by, the return time of 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:02.399 the and grew longer. And so that's how they knew 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:04.440 that it was arcing away from the satellite, and but 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:06.679 they didn't know what direction the pain was coming from, 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:11.120 so it could either have been north or south. And 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:13.839 then they ad anounced that they had figured it out 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:16.240 and analyze their data, and we'll talk a little bit 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:19.200 more about how they figured that out in a bit. Okay, 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:21.840 and there's been another development. The third development is that 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:25.400 there is a private intelligence organization called LEGNAT, which stands 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:30.560 from Langley Intelligence Group Network, and these guys have claimed, 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:33.600 they claimed in late March that they have intelligence that 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:37.840 indicates that the plane landed on in Pakistan and Langley 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:41.400 that would be the CIA headquarters. Uh, not necessarily, I mean, 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:44.360 anybody can. It might be it might be former intelligence 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:46.960 operators for the work for that work at Langley, or 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:49.000 it might just be that they could have they appropriated 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:52.360 the name because no, there's no law to stop them. Yeah, 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:56.600 but apparently, I mean there are there are private intelligence 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:59.160 services like Stratford is one that comes to mind that 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:02.280 are actually high the competent, and you know they're entirely private, 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:06.080 their non governmental and so these guys, I think are 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:09.440 a long line. So they're saying that it's been landed somewhere. Yeah, 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:13.280 apparently they're apparently. Their strongest indicator for this is uh 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:17.000 and some engineers at Boeing who have confided and the 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:21.440 Boeing believes that it's on the ground in Pakistan, which 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:23.000 makes me think that you know, and that you know, 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:25.080 when you think about seven seventy seven is a big 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:26.800 plane it would be really easy to hide an extra 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:29.320 transponder or two on that thing and not bother to 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:32.440 tell the airplane company about it. So and so, if 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:35.000 somebody was going to hijack a plane and take the 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:38.120 crew hostage, take the plane somewhere, and then the first 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:39.599 thing that they would do if they wanted to hide 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:41.320 the plane is they would tell They would force the 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:45.360 crew to tell them where every single switch for every transponder, 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:47.720 every communication device on the plane is so they can 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:50.480 shut everything off. So having having a device on the 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:53.320 plane that the crew is not aware of would actually 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:55.520 be kind of a good thing. Yeah, but it seems 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:58.400 like the sort of thing that Boeing would have, I mean, 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:01.479 let some people know about you would think that they yeah, 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:06.880 I mean we would have said, hey, US government, we 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:09.479 did we have this hidden thing and we know where 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:13.640 it is. Well, yeah, no, that's that's true. But you 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:15.440 don't know that the U. S. Government isn't aware of this. 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:18.080 I guess that's true. They could be doing some covert 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:22.919 something or another. Yeah. So anyway, those are three developments. 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:24.800 Um as you as you know, if you listen to 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:28.320 our previous episode, we concluded Team Team Sideways said, is 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:30.480 we concluded that the plane had flown north and was 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:32.080 in the hands of terrorists who are going to come 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:34.240 back and read some nuclear death on somebody. I thought 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:36.799 I thought it was aliens. Yeah, no, I don't remember 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:38.480 agreeing to that. Now. I don't think we agree to 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:40.600 that one. Okay, I thought it was I meant I 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:44.159 meant the nuclear thing. Yeah, agree. I I didn't agree 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:47.960 to the alien either. But slipping out of time, Yeah yeah, 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:50.280 that was what about the black hole? And that's that 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:54.680 wasn't that wasn't no? Right, Yeah, that was a total sport. Yeah. 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:57.080 So okay, um, so now I'm going to get back 0:05:57.120 --> 0:06:00.600 to in mare SAT and their announcement. They were they 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:02.920 were conclusively sure that it would had gone south. And 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:05.320 I don't know if any of you know this. Actually, 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:07.480 until recently, I didn't know this. I didn't know how 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:09.840 they figured that out. I just sort of, oh, you know, 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:13.640 they're the experts. What the hell? Right, So here's what happened. 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:16.599 Here's there. They have a satellite over the Indian Ocean. 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:20.240 It's at sixty east zero degrees north because it's on 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:24.159 the equator, and it's in a geostationary orbit, which means 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:27.480 that it's at two two hundred thirty six miles above 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:30.800 sea level, and at that at that height you're in 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:35.000 an orbit that's that's exactly the same speed as the rotation, 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:39.320 so you appear to have synchronous then, yeah, it's geosynchronous. 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:42.120 That's that's cool. I didn't I guess I didn't realize 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:44.520 that was the thing that we did, although it makes 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:47.680 sense that of course, like we would do that. Yeah, 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:51.280 the closer, the closer to objects are orbiting each other, 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:54.720 the closer they are, the faster they're moving around, and 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:59.040 then the farther out the slower. Yeah. So that's that's 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:01.880 a sweet spot, right, A very popular spot to put satellites. 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:06.120 There is this natural phenomenon called precession. And what that 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:08.839 is is you can put a geo ship, a geosynchrome 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:12.520 Is satellite into orbit and it's it's near to perfect 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:16.240 in this positioning. But over time, the pull of the 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:19.800 of the Sun to pull the Moon, solar wind, magnetic 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:23.240 variations in the Earth's crust will pull that thing out 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:27.000 of orbit over the equator, so its position is degraded. Yeah, 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:29.640 it has. And so so this thing is now one 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.480 point six six degrees off the equator, so it goes. 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:34.720 So that means during the course of a day, it 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:37.200 goes as far as one point six six degrees north 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:39.720 and then it starts going back down. It crosses the 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:43.320 equator again and goes one point six six degrees south 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:47.560 of the equator, and that would make it easier for 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:52.440 them to figure out if things had gone or her south. Right, Yeah, exactly, 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:54.640 That's that's how they use it. There's a here's a 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:59.320 diagram of the of these things. So, yeah, I saw that. Okay, yeah, 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:01.960 So anyway, so it makes total sense. Yeah, And so 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:05.320 that's how they were able to figure it out because 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:08.000 this thing at a certain point was during the flight 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:10.920 was moving north, and then for for the latter two 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:14.680 thirds of the flight, until they lost contact with the plane, 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:19.280 it was moving south at gaining speed. But this thing 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:21.480 doesn't really move fast in the north south direction. The 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:26.239 fastest it goes it's maybe thirty Now we've talked about 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:29.480 the Doppler effect, and we all know what that is. 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:31.720 I'll talk real quick though. The Doppler effect is is 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:34.679 what happens when you can press waves. So it happens 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:38.720 with sound waves. Imagine a locomotive going by you blowing 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:42.120 its horns yeah, and when it goes past you, suddenly 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:45.360 it drops. It drops in frequency because it's moving away 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:47.199 from you. So the sound waves lengthen out. There's a 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:50.960 great episode of Big Bang Theory in which Sheldon dresses 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:55.079 up like the Doppler effect. It's amazing, look at it. 0:08:55.160 --> 0:09:00.280 If it's amazing, Yeah, on the Doppler effect, I them. 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:04.000 So that happens with light, happens with radio waves everything. 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:07.800 So when the satellite pings the plane, it gets a 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:10.800 ping back, and then if the plane is moving away 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:14.400 from the satellite, then it changes the radio frequency of 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:18.280 the return ping and then yeah, so if it's yeah, so, 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:21.600 if it's moving towards it, the frequency will slowly increase. 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:25.840 If it's moving away, it slowly decreases. Correct, Yeah, exactly. 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:32.000 But they tracked the graph, the actual data, the actual 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:35.840 shifts in frequency that the experienced of the pings graft 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:38.760 all that. Then they drew up on knowing the speed 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:43.000 in the direction of the satellite. They basically drew two 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:47.439 theoretical curves on the same graph of what the ships 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:49.319 would look like if it had gone north and what 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:51.760 the ships would look like if it had gone south. 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:54.959 And they found that though, and they found that the 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:58.760 actual data that they got on that graph correlated very 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:02.760 strongly with the other projected track, and so that's why 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:07.720 they concluded with such confidence that um that have gone south. Well, 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:09.960 it turns out there are some people that have been 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:12.040 trying to make sense of the graph. And so we're 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:14.480 not talking about just like, yeah, who's with a website, right, 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:18.840 I'm not talking about just like weird thinking sideways exactly 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:20.440 what we're talking about people who actually know what they're 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:25.559 talking about everything though, don't don't lie, don't Okay, I 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:30.120 don't graph anything. Yeah, and so thanks for outing me there, Kevin, 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:36.120 appreciate that. Okay. So so some of these guys, I'm 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:38.200 named four of them here. Michael Exner as a founder 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:41.520 of a company called American Mobile Satellite Corporation. So this 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:45.120 guy probably knows a bit about satellites and stuff. Duncan 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:48.000 Steals a physicist who currently is working at NASA Flash 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:51.520 porn Star. Uh No, actually, do you guys recognize the 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:57.839 name Duncan Steel. It does sound really familiar. He was 0:10:58.080 --> 0:10:59.920 one of the main guys that was in that story 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:04.880 that we talked about that We've talked about him before. 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:07.520 Was he the same guy the same guy. I thought. 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:10.440 I just recognized his name from like romance novels. Yeah, 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:15.840 I'm gonna steal. Yeah, that's Danielle Steel. But I also 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:19.240 made that mistake in that episode. Yeah, we're gonna need 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:20.920 to like like look this guy up at his wiki 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:24.280 page and see it's the same dude. It's pretty positive 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:28.960 it's the same dude. Yeah, because I went to his website. Yeah. Wow, Okay, 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:33.079 the web doesn't lie. The web never lies yet. Okay, next, 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:35.240 next guy in line, Tim Ferrar. It was a satellite 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:39.040 technology consultant, and a guy named Ari Schulman was editor 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:40.599 of The New Atlantis. And I have no idea. I 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:42.640 didn't bother to go find out what that meg is about. 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:45.640 But he wrote a long, very interesting article where he 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:48.199 summarized some of the some of the problems that they've 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:51.559 had with figuring out in mar Set's data. And so 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:53.679 here's some of the problems. I was gonna say, Yeah, 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:55.400 I was gonna ask had you were you going to 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:57.560 go into those problems because I found it really interesting 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:01.560 when I read the articles about it. Yeah, the problems 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:03.800 that that they have with the graph. Okay, number one, 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:06.880 the first ping if you look at the graph. It 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:08.480 was taken when the plane was on the ground. It 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:13.120 shows a shift of minus eighty five hurts. So according 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:15.800 to their calculations, and this involves like this involves like 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:18.280 three dimensional trigonometry and stuff, which is why I didn't 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:21.760 actually sit down and try to try to replicate. I 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:24.839 looked at Yeah, exactly, I'll take their word for it. So, 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:27.000 according to one of these guys, the plane would have 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:29.679 had to be moving about fifty miles an hour relative 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:32.360 to the satellite to produce that kind of a shift. 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:36.559 So that doesn't make any sense in Marsett because that's 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:39.520 when they're loading baggage. Plane stop moving. Yeah, I think 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:41.280 at that time they were. They were at the gate, 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:43.160 and they might have just left the gate, but they 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:45.880 weren't yet taxing to the runway. According to the according 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:48.560 to their logs, they say that the frequency shifts are 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:50.959 higher at the beginning of the graph and including that 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:53.280 fifty miles an hour at that's sitting at the starting gate. 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:55.920 They're lower at the other end. So the shift at 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:58.120 the last ping on their graph shows a plane moving 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:00.839 away from the satellite at a hundred three miles an hour. 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:04.280 But they produced a map which we've all seen. It's 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:06.199 a map of the globe that shows these two different 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:09.800 arcs that the plane can take. And uh, that map 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:13.000 shows a plane receiving it two seventy two miles per 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:17.520 hour relative to the satellite. So that makes no sense. Well, 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:20.280 in their their whole basis is that when in Marsette 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:25.079 did all their math, they didn't they said, well, the 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:27.800 satellite doesn't move, so we know where it's at. They 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:30.679 didn't take into consideration the fact that the satellite is 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:35.199 actually moving up and down north and south. And when 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:37.560 these guys, when I was reading it, these guys did 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:39.439 the math and they said, well, if you factor in 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:41.240 the fact that at this point it should have been 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:44.840 at the peak of its northbound arc, and you factor 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:47.720 that in, oh, wait, the plane is moving it one 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:50.439 mile an hour in the in the very first pain 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:53.640 that's eleven minutes before take off, So that actually makes 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:56.320 more sense. That's how they got to their their arc 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:58.800 of the trajectory of where this plane would have gone. Well, 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:01.000 actually they took it a step further in more set 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:04.040 mr Set based their their their calculations on the fact 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:07.600 that the satellite was moving and uh, and so that's 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:10.520 how they figured that out that that the satellite was so. So, say, 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:13.439 for example, if the plane is going south and the 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:17.439 satellite is moving south, then what that means is that 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:20.640 a ping back from the plane that is going south 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:23.280 is going to be at a higher frequency than the 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:26.000 paying back from the plane going north. Yeah, and that's 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:27.880 how So that's how m R Set figured that out. 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:31.680 What they didn't take into account, apparently, is that the 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:34.760 satellite is also moving relative to the ground receiving station 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:39.520 that is sending its data to ore is so yeah, 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:41.400 and so they paying the plane, they get back a 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:45.240 shifted radio ping and and then they retransmit that to 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:49.800 the ground station which is also moving relative to the satellite. Yeah, 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:52.280 it's yeah, it is. And the ground sat the receiving 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:55.760 station is in Perth, Australia, and it's southwest, a long 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:58.760 way southwest from the satellite. And so then so the 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:01.360 fact that they didn't take that into account through there 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:05.400 to all their stuff. It actually is two moving points 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:10.040 in space, not one moving point. Do they have updated graph? 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:14.560 Then in Marsette does not These guys did Michael Exner, 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:19.000 the founder of American Mobile Satellite Corporation, did the calcus 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:22.040 on what exactly what exactly the shift would have been 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:24.760 between the satellite and the ground station, and then he 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:30.160 basically plotted that, subtracted it from the actual data, and 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:33.560 plotted a different graph that actually matches reality far, far 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:36.840 better than in Marsett's graph. Smart people. Yeah, and then 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:39.120 this one, like you said, does have the plane. They 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:41.800 practically at zero at the beginning, which is where out 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:46.160 of being Yeah hopefully, Yeah, I hope. So okay, As 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:48.360 I said that, listen to the problems. The first thing, 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:50.920 they were moving fast. The shifts are higher, but they 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:52.880 solved that problem and they're higher at the beginning and 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:56.200 lower at the end. Uh. And another big problem. What 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:57.720 it is and I'm going to hold up this graph 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:03.840 to the microphone so our listeners can see this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:06.920 another big problem. What that is is, Uh, they fixed that, 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:09.760 but that still doesn't settle the issue of whether the 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:12.240 plane went north or south, because these guys have said 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:16.360 in Marsett's projected or predicted tracks for the point in 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:19.800 north and south make absolutely no sense. If you look 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:22.280 at and we'll post we'll post a copy this on 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:26.000 online for our wonderful listeners. But if you look at 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:27.920 this and those of us in the room. If those 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:29.120 of you in the room, you can see this if 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:31.320 you look at this at at nineteen forty and we're 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:34.080 talking time here, uh, there were there was a pink 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:36.680 set out and this is the actual the green light 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:40.080 as the actual recorded pin. And this is the north 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:41.920 course what what the ship would have been for the 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:43.680 north course, and this is what it would have been 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:47.320 for the south course. But at that time at y 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:50.760 the satellite had reached its northernmost point and was about 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:54.880 to start going back south again, which means that relative 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:56.880 to the plane is either the north or the south plane, 0:16:56.920 --> 0:17:00.720 the satellite wasn't effectively was not moving. It was state. Yeah, 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:03.760 it was at that point not really moving. So what 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:06.920 they're what what people are puzzled about on it's the 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:10.399 predicted tracks that in Marcette put on that graph is 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:13.879 those points should be together, they should be like, you know, 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:18.560 the same spot. I also think when I see correlations 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:23.800 like this on a map that are so close, when 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:25.680 they're like, oh, yeah, this is what we projected it 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:27.320 would have been, and this is what it actually is, 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:29.800 so like obviously this is where it went. I just 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:32.480 kind of called bunk on it, Like I just don't 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:37.240 necessarily I can't. I just can't quite Yeah, I can't 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:39.800 quite get there. Yeah. Well there's some other head scratches 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:43.080 about the whole thing. Um, after this, after the satellite 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:46.920 started moving southward, then those two lines should should like 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:49.600 assume the south that the satellite turned around started going 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:53.080 south and imagine for a moment that it's moving consistently 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:55.200 the same speed as a moves on that line. Right, 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:59.080 So at that point, those two lines should be parallel. 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:02.639 And other words, the shift should be the same no 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:04.440 matter what for the north and the south. It should 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:06.440 it should stay the same because the satellite is moving 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:08.560 at the same rate. However, of course, the satellite is 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:10.959 not staying at the same speed. It's picking up speeds 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:14.000 and move southward. What that means is that those lines 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:17.280 should move apart as time goes by. Now look at 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:19.840 the graph and what do you see? They're parallel? No, 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:22.080 they're not. They're parallel for a bit. And then look 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:26.320 look what happens. They cross the north south lines the 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:30.600 north the predicted north south track lines across. Now, how 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:34.080 can this happen when the satellite is moving southward? Yeah, 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:38.160 that's an issue. Uh huh. Yeah, So seeing it's front 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:41.800 with problems. Yeah, I'm not even that good at graph things, 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:44.800 and it sort of jumps out at you. Huh yeah. 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:49.520 So yeah, So anyway, these guys have been I've been 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:51.920 trying to get information from in mar Set about this, 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:54.959 and they're not divulging what their methodology was for arriving 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:59.000 at any of this stuff. Yeah, it's probably you know, 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:00.800 we just pulled guess. We know what we're doing. I 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:02.840 kind of know what we're doing, so we just guessed, 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:06.080 put some points on a graph, made it look legit. Yeah, 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:09.760 we had our intern Billy work on that. He's good 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:16.119 with graphs and colors. He's good at making Excel graph exactly. So, um, 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:19.160 it's it's it's a head scratcher why in Marsett won't 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:22.960 just tell us why why they came up with that 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:26.240 particular prediction. And uh as Ari Shulman, the guy who 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:29.199 wrote this article that I'm I'm taking a little bit 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:34.080 of this front actually a lot, thanks, sorry. So what 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:36.560 he says is, since they won't say how they arrived 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:39.280 at their estimates and I'm totally paraphrasing here of the 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:42.280 frequency shifts from the north and south predicted paths, their 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:45.720 argument basically is trust us, and so in other words, 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:48.240 there's no reason to believe they're correct about the flight 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:53.360 heading south. I guess, you know, I can this leave 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:56.960 le lends a little credence to the whole like Pakistan 0:19:57.080 --> 0:20:00.159 idea to me or the like actual abduction of it 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:02.879 at some point, and we're sad as saying, oh, we 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:04.760 can't tell you how we came up with these things, 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:07.760 but just trust us. Just trust us. And you know, 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:10.719 somebody from Boeing supposedly said like, well, we think it's 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:13.200 in Pakistan. You know, at some point you kind of 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:17.359 have to say, there's enough weird information flying around that 0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:22.119 this isn't just coincidence and incompetence anymore. This might actually 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:25.080 be people and you Again, I say, I am not 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:28.720 the conspiracy, not either, but at some point you kind 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:31.320 of have to look at all of the incompetence that's 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:35.000 been happening around this whole thing. And I wouldn't call 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:39.560 it incompetence, but but misdirection maybe I don't know, errors. 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:42.240 I guess is probably you kind of have to take 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:44.639 that step back and say, Okay, is it possible that 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:46.920 all of these people who are like professionals who really 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:49.800 should know what they're doing, are making these blunders, or 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:53.520 is it more likely that they're lying to us they're 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:56.480 not that they're not supposed to actually tell us what 0:20:56.640 --> 0:20:59.480 they know. Yeah, I think that probably is it, which 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:02.200 leads to, you know, a whole lot of questions supposing 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:06.719 it isn't in Pakistan, perhaps our government, the Chinese government, 0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:09.680 the Malaysian government are negotiating with these terrorists for the 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:12.919 lives of those two people who are on the plane. Well, 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:15.760 or you just don't want Pakistan to know. I mean, 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:18.200