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Speaker 1: Sideways the podcast. I'm Joe run by I'm Steve. Okay,

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Speaker 1: tonight we're giving you a quick update on Alasian flight

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Speaker 1: through seventy and that's why we're talking so fast. So

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Speaker 1: Since we posted our episode about m AS three seventy,

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Speaker 1: wear them. Uh. First development, Australian company named Geo Residence

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Speaker 1: because I mean, think about all the families who who

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Speaker 1: good story when you get busted. Yeah. Anyway, Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: the whole thing is just inexplicable, and it still might

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Speaker 1: not claiming that it went north, they're just claiming I

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Speaker 1: that they had drawn where it took from its original

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Speaker 1: launch point. It took a very southwesterly route, So it's

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Speaker 1: it's not heading towards Australia at all. It was heading

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Speaker 1: And this is again their their map is still saying

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Speaker 1: it went south, but it didn't go southeast. It went

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Speaker 1: southwest relative to where it started from. Yeah, it's yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So anyway, I would say to judgment by the fact

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Speaker 1: So anyway, that's about it. You guys have anywhere to

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