1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg Sound On. 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: This is a hopeful day, but as I've seen many 3 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: other pro life advocates point out, this is not the ends. 4 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: They're not going to do this to America. There's more 5 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: of us than of Bloomberg sound On Politics, policy and 6 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: perspective from DC's top name. It's very much every one 7 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: of our worst fears realized. The issues of gay marriage, 8 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: of contraceptions are all built top of this idea. Bloomberg 9 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: Sound On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio Washington is 10 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 1: Rocks by the leak. Welcome to the fastest hour in politics. 11 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: The story on a looming decision on Roe v. Wade 12 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: has already evolved in its first twenty four hours. We'll 13 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: have the latest for you with reactions from the White 14 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: House and Capitol Hill, and new reporting from Bloomberg Supreme 15 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: Court reporter Greg Store. We'll consider what this means for 16 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: the mid terms, with Harvard pollster John della Volpe joining 17 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 1: us later from the Milk and Conference and the panel. Today, 18 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 1: they're back Bloomberg Politics contributors Jeanie Chanzano and Rick Davis 19 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: back together for the hour. Democratic leaders in Washington are 20 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: vowing a legislative answer to what looks like an impending 21 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: Supreme Court decision in validating Row versus Way. Now, we've 22 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 1: been talking about this since just before we went to 23 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: bed last night. A lot of people woke up to 24 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: it this morning. Reactions have come from every quarter, and 25 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: we're going to cover this for you here before we 26 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 1: seek a bit of analysis and better understand what's going 27 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: on and what might happen. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer 28 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: spoke this morning from the Senate floor. Here he is 29 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: now that the Court is poised to strike down Row, 30 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: it is my intention for the Senate to hold a 31 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: vote on legislation to codify the right to an abortion 32 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: in law, in line with a White House statement today 33 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: President Biden writing, we will need more pro choice senators 34 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: and a pro choice majority in the House to adopt 35 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: legislation that codifies Row, which I will work to pass 36 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: and sign into law. He spoke more from the tarmac 37 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: at Joint Base Andrews. It was a little bit noisy. 38 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: He's outdoors on his way to Alabama earlier today, saying 39 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: the President here saying this could have much wider implications 40 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: here he is it basically says all the decisions are 41 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: remade your private life, who you're married, whether or not 42 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: you decide to conceive a child or not, whether or 43 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 1: not you can have an abortion, a range of other decisions, 44 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: whether or not how you raise your child. What is 45 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: this to uh And does this mean that in Florida 46 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: they can decide they're going to pass a law saying 47 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: that same sex marriage is not permissible. It's against the 48 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: law in Florida. So there's a whole it's it's a 49 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: fundamental shift in American Jews persis. We heard from Mitch 50 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: McConnell as well, of course, the Senate Minority leader from 51 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: the Republican side, not talking about the contents of the leak, 52 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: but the leak itself. Here he is this laws auction 53 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 1: should be investigated, unpunished to the fullest. It's not possible 54 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: the fullest. It's not possible. I'm certain the Chief Justice 55 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: will seek to get to the bottom of this. If 56 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: a crime was committed, the Department of Justice must pursue 57 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: it completely. And we should note the Chief Justice Roberts 58 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: says he's already directed the Marshal of the Court to 59 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,519 Speaker 1: launch an investigation into the source of the league. I 60 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: do wonder if we will ever find out it is 61 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: a relatively small circle here of folks who could have 62 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: done this, who had access to the document pages, the 63 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: pdf sitting right there for the world to see now. 64 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: And that is where we begin with Greg store Bloomberg, 65 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: Supreme Court reporter, the best there is and lucky to 66 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: have him today. Greg. The Court has authenticated this document. 67 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: It's expected to issue a ruling by July. Do we 68 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,839 Speaker 1: have any reason to believe that any justice here, any 69 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: conservative justice, or any for that matter, we change their 70 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: vote on such a serious matter. It's not like they 71 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: just started thinking about it. Well, if there hadn't been 72 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: the leak. Uh, certainly there's a possibility that a justice 73 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: could change his or her mind. That happens all the time. 74 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: And keep in mind this this documents actually a couple 75 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: of months old. It was dated Sary of the tenth. 76 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 1: It was a first draft. So it's even possible that 77 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: somebody has had already had misgivings about what they've read here. Um. 78 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: And then the next question is, well, now that it's 79 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: leaked out, does that make it more or less likely 80 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: that somebody might shift positions? And you know, there's a 81 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: pretty good argument that this might kind of lock people 82 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 1: into into position where they were because they don't want 83 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 1: to look like they have they have caved to the 84 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: pressure that everybody is feeling right now. Justice Roberts went 85 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 1: out of his way to statements to credit the workforce 86 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: at the Court, describing them as intensely loyal to the 87 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: institution and dedicated to the rule of law. I'm sure 88 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: you read this this morning, Gregg. You went on to 89 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: call this a singular and egregious breach of trust. What 90 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: is this doing inside the court knowing they have a 91 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: leaker amongst them? Well, the Chief Justice has to be 92 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 1: torn in a in a major way. He's both trying 93 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: to protect the institutional integrity of the Court and to 94 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: say that, um, you know, the vast majority of people 95 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: don't do stuff like this, and yet there is this, 96 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: if he put it, egregious breach of trust. Um, you know, 97 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: there have been a number of of much smaller leaks 98 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: in recent years. The Court has become leakier, uh, And 99 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: there are plenty of signs that relationships within the quarter 100 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 1: are becoming more fractious. And this cannot help things here 101 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 1: and and undoubtedly within the Court. There's there are a 102 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: lot of ill feelings about what has happened here and 103 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: probably a lot of questions. Probably the justices are very 104 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: much wondering where this came from. Trust shaking. We have 105 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: no reason to believe that this investigation will be made 106 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: public anytime soon, right, I mean, how would this actually 107 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: be gone about? Well, we're really an uncharted territory here. 108 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: The Marshal will look in into it. I would imagine 109 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: that if if they come to a conclusion, we will 110 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: get some information. Uh. But but I'm really just speculating 111 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: because it's not like you or I have ever seen 112 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: anything like this before, So there's not really a roadmap 113 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: we can expect the court to follow. What a day, Gregg. 114 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: Great to have you with us, Gregg Store. We couldn't 115 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: do this without them, Bloomberg Supreme Court reporter check your 116 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: terminal for his byline. Over the course of this story, 117 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: and we bring in the panel with Bloomberg Politics contributors 118 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: Jeanie Chanzano and Rick Davis with us on a very 119 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: important day here, Jeanie. Senator Schumer and President Biden, who 120 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: we just both heard from our talking about legislation today 121 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: to codify the right to an abortion. But they don't 122 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: have the votes for that in the Senate, do they 123 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: They do not. But we heard Senator Schumer say today 124 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: that he wants all Senators to go on the record 125 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: having to vote, you know, for he hopes, or against 126 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: that codification. And I think he is right about that politically, 127 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: because this is a right. I can't tell you how 128 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: many young women I spoke to on campus today and 129 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: these are not, you know, all liberal because they're they're 130 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: a whole range of political, you know, ideologies. And even 131 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: the tone of this draft granted it's a draft decision, 132 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: and the lack of sort of respect for how embedded 133 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: this right is in the lives and the bodies of 134 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: women is really troubling to a lot of people. And 135 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: so I think Senator Schumer and others on Capitol Hill 136 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: are saying, we want you to go and say that 137 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: you are going to take this right away from people 138 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: after half a century. Is that what this comes down to, 139 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: rick that the Democrats don't really have a lot of 140 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: options here. Oh, this is really just rhetoric at this point. 141 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: They've got to try to make the best they can 142 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: of it. That everyone was caught by surprise but Democrats 143 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: very much in a defensive posture on this issue right now. 144 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: They have to play catch up. They have not had 145 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: this as a focal point of their parties push with 146 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: women voters, especially for or quite some time, so all 147 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: those kinds of political alliances and organizations need to on 148 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: their side really get started. It is interesting that Republicans, 149 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: certainly in the Senate, haven't used this as an opportunity 150 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: to say victory for pro life forces. Instead, they are 151 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: keen to investigate the source of the leak, Which what 152 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: do I think that quoters are going to be uh 153 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: interested in? Well, I think that they they really do believe, 154 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: you know, that the court um should have been able 155 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: to put this out on their own time, and I 156 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: think they believe that it would have been better later 157 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: on when there weren't some of these active primaries going 158 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: on that would distract from uh, frankly, some of the 159 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: problems of the of the Biden administration they're having on 160 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 1: economic issues. So I I just think it was not 161 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: what Republicans wanted at the time that it was released. 162 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: So I think that that ultimately is going to be 163 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 1: one of the one of the issues for Republicans. A 164 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 1: contrasting responses really have been something here, Genie with as 165 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: as we've heard clearly in not only what we're describing, 166 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 1: but in the sound that we played for you. And 167 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: this started with, you know, the hot takes last night 168 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: on Twitter from lawmakers and a lot of other people, 169 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: Liberals outraged talking specifically about the impact on lives on policy, 170 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 1: Republicans outraged, calling it an attack on the independence of 171 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: the court. Is that where we're going from here? I 172 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 1: think so, And you know that, you know, it's fascinating 173 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:37,119 Speaker 1: because you read Aledo's draft decision and the crowds outside 174 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: the court and the people protesting and the noise on Twitter. 175 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: That's exactly the reason he says that the Court needs 176 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 1: to stay out of this, that it's too hot, The 177 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: Court has no role in this, handed over to the 178 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: state legislators, handed over to Congress. So in some way, 179 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: all of the protesting underscores exactly what he is trying 180 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: to say. And you know, we heard it today, people 181 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 1: like Elizabeth Warren, you know, sounded more emotion nal and 182 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: angry probably than we've ever heard her before. And I 183 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: would just add to what Rick said, I think the 184 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 1: reason Republicans are focusing on who leaked is because they 185 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: don't know the impact this is going to have in 186 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: the mid term. They are set to have a bang 187 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: up year. They are set to take the Senate, take 188 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: the House, do really well, and now a monkey wrench 189 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: has been thrown into it in the in the form 190 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: of this issue of abortion. And if this cost them 191 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: numbers and even cost them one or both houses, that's 192 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: something they just you know, it would be stunning at 193 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: this point because they're set to do well well, let's 194 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 1: get to that rick. The conventional wisdom right now is 195 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: that this mobilizes Democrats. That certainly increases Democratic turnout, a 196 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,719 Speaker 1: majority turnout in an off year. But does this does 197 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: this change the calculus for this campaign cycle? Sure? Um uh. 198 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: It's been well reported that Democratic party enthusiasm you know, 199 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: people willing to vote, has been significantly lower than Republicans 200 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: this cycle. Part of the reason why people think there's 201 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: gonna be so much of a red wave, especially in 202 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 1: the in the House of Representatives. That being said, um uh, 203 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: this throws a monkey wrench into Republicans ability to potentially 204 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: get those women, suburban voters that have been coming back 205 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: to the fold and some of these elections we've had lately. Uh, 206 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: you know, the governor young in election in Virginia demonstrated that. 207 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 1: And so anything that that that diminishes the number of 208 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: women voters for Republican caucuses creates danger for Republican candidates 209 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: in America. And we have to have almost as many 210 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: women as men, and uh and and or at least 211 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: offset by the same almoss and and without that, um, 212 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: some of these races just aren't going to be able 213 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: to get to the finish line. Rick and Guinie are 214 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: with us here on the Tuesday edition, a special edition 215 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: to sound on as we focus specifically on this story 216 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: for the hour, the fastest hour in politics, This is Bloomberg. 217 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: Your question to me was, did I debate the contents 218 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: of Roe versus Way, the outcome and Rove as his way? 219 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,959 Speaker 1: Do I have this day and opinion a personal opinion 220 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: on the outcome and Row versus Way? And my answer 221 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: to you is that I do not. Well. Do I 222 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: understand that you may overrule it or you may sustain it. 223 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: I have no agenda. Can you tell me whether Roe 224 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: was decided correctly? Center Again, I would tell you that 225 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: Roe versus Wade decided as a President, United States Supreme Court. 226 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: It has been reaffirmed. The reliance interests considerations are important 227 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 1: there and all of the other factors that go into 228 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: analyzing precedent that have to be considered. It is a 229 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: precedent of the United States Supreme Court. Have your views 230 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:50,199 Speaker 1: on whether Row is settled precedent or could be overturned? 231 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 1: And it has your views changed since you were in 232 00:12:54,280 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: the Bush White House Centator, I said that it's settled 233 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: as a precedent of the Supreme Court entitled the respect 234 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: under principles of starry decisives. One of the important things 235 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,599 Speaker 1: to keep in mind about Roe v. Wade is that 236 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: it has been reaffirmed many times over the past forty 237 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: five years. Do you agree with Justice galleys view that 238 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 1: Row was wrongly decided? So, Senator, I do want to 239 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,439 Speaker 1: be forthright and answer every question so far as I can. 240 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,599 Speaker 1: I think on that question, you know, I'm going to 241 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:35,959 Speaker 1: invoke Justice Kagan's description, which I think is perfectly put 242 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: when she was in her confirmation hearing, she said that 243 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: she was not going to grade precedent or give it 244 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: a thumbs up or thumbs down. And I think in 245 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:47,119 Speaker 1: an area where precedent continues to be pressed and litigated, 246 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: as is true of Casey, it would be particularly um, 247 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: it would actually be wrong, in a violation of the 248 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: canons for me to do that as a sitting judge. 249 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: Justices Thomas, Gorset, Kavanaugh, and Barrett in that order responding 250 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: and not always answering questions about Roe versus Weight in 251 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: their confirmation hearings. It's important to hear their words right 252 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: on a day when well, some people are accusing them 253 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: of lying or misleading the Senate on this issue. There's 254 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: nowhere else you're gonna hear that than right here today 255 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: on sound on here' Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer today 256 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: on the floor. Several of these conservative justices, who are 257 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: in no way accountable to the American people, have lied 258 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: to the U. S. Senate, ripped up the Constitution, and 259 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: defiled both precedent and the Supreme Court's reputation. Wow, and 260 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: so we bring that back the panel for their take 261 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: on this. Bloomberg Politics contributors Jeanie Chanzano and Rick Davis Rick, 262 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: what what are we gonna do? Hold the justices and 263 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: contempt of Congress? Well, I don't think you can hold 264 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: them in contempt A Congress. I think that they all 265 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: had the back door wide open on these questions as 266 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: they were going through confirmation. And and again it just 267 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: shows you that part of that confirmation process is not 268 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: necessarily indicative to what a justice is going to do 269 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: when he gets on the bench and when he or 270 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: she gets on the bench. So we've had lots of 271 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: justices change their minds based on uh, lessons and experience 272 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: they gain on the bench from when they were appointed. So, uh, 273 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: that's just a fact of life. Lifetime appointments liberate people. Uh, 274 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: And I would say you have a very liberated Supreme 275 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: Court these days. Well you know, I'm I'm kidding about 276 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: the content part here, Jeanie, But like, why are we 277 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: going here right now? Why pursue this narrative? Where does 278 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: that indicate how few options? Uh, the Democratic majority has 279 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: at the moment. You know, you just listened to that 280 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: montage you just played, and it's quite stunning. These are 281 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: people who are incredibly well educated. They have they are 282 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: law professors, they are judges, they are attorneys at the 283 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: highest level. The idea that they have no opinion on 284 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: Row is absolutely absurd. Everybody as an opinion on Row, 285 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: and you don't need to go to law school to 286 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: have one. And I think I have to say give 287 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: Amy Coney Barrett credit. She had the best non response 288 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: following Kagan, which is I'm not going to give it 289 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: a thumbs up or thumbs down. The problem here is 290 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: not these people, necessarily, it's the process. When you have 291 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: a process where you tell people we're going to parade 292 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: you before the Senate. If you dare to answer the 293 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: question the way that you actually think you won't get 294 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: the job. Most people aren't gonna give you the answer, 295 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: uh that that you want, and so they're not going 296 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: to give you the honest answer. They're going to bow out. 297 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: Then they don't have a response. And that's what's happened. Um, 298 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: you know, ever since people realized what happened to Robert 299 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: Bourke because he was honest and he didn't get the job. 300 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: So the process is broken, it doesn't work, and the 301 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: American people are suffering for it. So does this change 302 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: the whole conversation in future hearings, future confirmation hearings, Rick, 303 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: and we never know when we're gonna get one. Does 304 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: it change the whole conversation around the Starry decisive the 305 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: idea of precedent, Why does that even matter? Then? I think, uh, 306 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: we're really confusing what's happening today in the Supreme Court 307 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: around abortion and any process that has anything to do 308 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: with confirmation. This is not a confirmation issue. The members 309 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: of the Congress, member the Senate can ask all the 310 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: hard questions they want on any time they want it, 311 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 1: and ultimately they're an advice and consent. And anybody who 312 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: thought these justices who uh primarily were appointed by George 313 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: Bush and Donald Trump, we're not going to take on 314 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,719 Speaker 1: abortion as an issue, whether it was a full uh 315 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: takedown of brov. Wade or or some tweak that allowed 316 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 1: states to decide themselves. Uh, And we still don't know 317 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: that for certain uh would be considered incredibly politically night, 318 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: which is why Democrats were so anxious to try and 319 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: look at court packing as an option. It wasn't because 320 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: they believed anything they were told in in confirmation hearing. 321 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: It was because they knew that this court was going 322 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: to be active on these issues. And the minute this 323 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: court took up this case, you knew Row was in danger. 324 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 1: And talking about with Rick and Jennie pulled that thought 325 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: Rick Davis. President Biden already struggling with young voters. What 326 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: effect might this have? Now we'll look at new research 327 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: from the Harvard Kennedy School coming up. I'm Joe Matthew. 328 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg. We're fascinated by poles around here, of 329 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: course as we inch toward November, but on a day 330 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 1: like this they take on new meaning. That's why it's 331 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: a pleasure to bring in John Della Volpi, director of 332 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: polling at the Harvard Kennedy School's Institute of Politics, author 333 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 1: of the book Fight How gen Z is channeling their 334 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: fear and passion to save America's joining us from the 335 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: milk and conference right now as the Harvard uh Kennedy 336 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 1: School Institute of Politics, that with a massive piece of 337 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: research called simply the Harvard Youth Poll. It's for this 338 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: season and it's the forty three edition. John, it's great 339 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: to have you with us year before we dig into 340 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: what you were seeing here in this research. Does a 341 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: headline like today with regard to the Supreme Court in 342 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: Roe v. Wade move opinions or move people historically to 343 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 1: become single issue voters in a campaign season like this, 344 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: I think it does. Gentle Again, thanks for having me. 345 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: What we've found specifically in this research over the last 346 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: couple of decades is the younger people. But I think 347 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: it's fair to say that older Americans as well vote 348 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: when they can see a tangible difference of engagements. And 349 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: sometimes that's a positive, sometimes that's a negative. And what 350 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: we've seen so far over the last you know, twelve hours, 351 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: twenty four hours around this document from the Supreme Court 352 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: is that is that this is likely to be highly 353 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: motivational for specifically young people who are unsure whether or 354 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: not they're going to participate because um, they can now 355 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 1: see in very tangible ways the difference than engagement mix, 356 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: and that I think will be a significant driver to 357 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: increase participation frankly across um all all all partisan groups 358 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: in November. Well, that's important. It would run counter to 359 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: some of the trends that you had been seeing. We're 360 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: talking eighteen to twenty nine year olds, John, and in 361 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 1: your poll had found that they believe that political involvement 362 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: rarely has tangible results. That was up to thirty six 363 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: percent they think their vote does not make a difference 364 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: to your to your point just now up to only 365 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: approve of the job President Biden is doing all these 366 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: then could really turn on this news today is what 367 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: you're seeing, I think absolutely could really add some energy 368 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: specifically to the one of the places where up until 369 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: this point, President Biden has been frankly under under performing. 370 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: You know, UM, we we had we have not seen 371 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: UM specifically of the last six months, the traditional generation 372 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: gap UM that we would expect from from democratic office holder, 373 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: which means that here she typically receives stronger marks with 374 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: the younger folks, folks and older folks here, you know, 375 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 1: present Bind's approval have been has been relatively flat across 376 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:14,239 Speaker 1: all groups. But Joe, let's also remember that that UM 377 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: is not what people are voting for in Neuvember. People 378 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: November voting for a Democrat versus Republican and oftentimes, you know, 379 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,239 Speaker 1: as we could see and also in this and other research, UM, 380 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: the differences are stark between how they rate the present 381 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: today versus how they rate a Democrat versus Republican November 382 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: approval though, is that's pretty rough. That could be any 383 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 1: old pole that the President is kind of looking at, 384 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: scratching his ed saying, God, I brought you infrastructure, I 385 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: got you out of COVID, what else do you want? 386 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,360 Speaker 1: Here I realized we don't have build back better yet. 387 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: But what is it actually among young people who feel 388 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: like their vision has not been fulfilled? Their the promises 389 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: you hear in many cases that that that Joe Biden 390 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: made on the campaign trail have not been fulfilled. Is 391 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: that what you're hearing. It's a lot of I think 392 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: expectations Joe and and also and also communication generally. Yeah, 393 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,479 Speaker 1: our students wrote a series of questions to follow up 394 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: and the general sense I'd say is that they view 395 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: younger people view the president as being relatively ineffective. You 396 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 1: know that that's uh, that's bad news. The good news 397 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 1: for for for for for Biden is that they don't 398 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: necessarie really see it in relation to UM misunder misalignment 399 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: on values, or something that's more systemic. You know. I 400 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: think if if the administration can prove that they're making 401 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: progress on the issues that you know, people care about, 402 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: then I think there's an opportunity to turn this around. 403 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: This is not unfamiliar place to folks in the Biden world. 404 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 1: This is where he was at the end of primary 405 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: and we know that UM the results were completely different 406 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: by November, where almost two thirds of people under the 407 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: age of thirty voted for I can remember conducting what 408 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: was build at one point as an exit interview with 409 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: Joe Biden and New Hampshire John which tells you a lot. 410 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: As he headed for South Carolina. You've found overall forty 411 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: of Americans under thirty prefer Democrats maintain control of Congress. 412 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: Is that number historically low for young people? Well, it is, well, 413 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,239 Speaker 1: you know, it's historic. It's it's low relative to two 414 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: thousand eighteen for sure. So and I think that's the 415 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: that's the appropriate um uh, you know, election to to 416 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: to to compare it with But among those young people 417 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: who are likely to vote, you know, Democrats move up 418 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: to fifty five per cents. So so there is a 419 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: gap between the likely voters and all young Americans. But 420 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: um still, I think that you know, for for the 421 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: Democratic how for the for Democrats to to have an 422 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: opportunity to kind of maintain their their slim holding the House, 423 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 1: that the number needs to start with a six, you know, 424 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: in the next poll that we conduct, which will be 425 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,640 Speaker 1: in the fall. Now are you constantly rolling here? You've 426 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: already heard from some people you said in the last 427 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: twenty four hours. Yeah, where We're constantly whether it's through 428 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: the quantitative work we do at the Institute of Politics 429 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 1: or through focus groups for all the conversations you know, 430 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: and and and looking at other data. Of course, we 431 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: are constantly in touch with younger people. The next official 432 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: Harvard Youth Poll forty four will be out, um, you know, 433 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: in the two week period before the next midterm got it. 434 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: I'm I'm deeply curious to see what those numbers are, 435 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 1: as I'm sure you are as well. Uh. The poll 436 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: two thousand, twenty four eighteen to twenty nine year olds, 437 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 1: organized with undergrads from the Harvard Public Opinion Projects, super 438 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: supervised by this man right here, John Della Vulpi. John, 439 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 1: it's really great to talk to you again. We thank 440 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: you for your insights joining us live from the milk 441 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: In Conference. Been a busy place here and glad we 442 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: could make that happen. We'll reassemble the panel next. Rick 443 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 1: and Genie weigh in on what we just heard as 444 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 1: we also consider this idea of dropping the filibuster once again, 445 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 1: but waits, they don't have the votes. I thought we'll 446 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 1: get into that with the panel next. On Sound On, 447 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 1: I'm Joe Matthew This is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg. 448 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: You sound on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. The 449 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: headline on the terminal Ocastio Cortes Sanders ripped Cinema on 450 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: filibuster over abortion. Man, it's getting ugly already here as 451 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: Representative Alexandria Costio Cortes and Senator Bernie Sanders reading from 452 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: the terminal for you here call on Democrats to challenge 453 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,719 Speaker 1: one of their own, Senator Kirsten Cinema when she's up 454 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: for re election. This is not a mid term story 455 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: because of yes, her resistance to ending the filibuster. This 456 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: has been a big part of the conversation here today 457 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: the Coastio Cortes tweeting quote, we could protect Row tomorrow, 458 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 1: but Cinema refuses to act on the filibuster. Until that changes, 459 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: she can take a seat talking about women's access to healthcare. 460 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: Hold everyone contributing to this disaster accountable, GOP and them 461 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: obstructionists included. She should be primaried. This idea of dropping 462 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: the filibuster came up in the White House Press gaggle today. 463 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: I call it that because they were on Air Force 464 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 1: one on their way to Alabama Press Secretary Jensaki speaking 465 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 1: on Air Force one. Here she is. There has been 466 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 1: a vote on this. It failed. It did not have 467 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 1: even fifty votes, which means even if the filibuster were overturned, 468 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: there would have not have been enough votes to get 469 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: this passed. Okay, reality check as we reassemble the panel, 470 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:50,199 Speaker 1: Rick Davis, Jennie Chanzano, Bloomberg Politics contributors. That is the truth, Rick, Right, 471 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 1: when this comes down to math, what are we actually 472 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: talking about here? Yeah, the Democrats can't pass a fixed 473 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: to row because they don't have the votes and the 474 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: Democratic caucus to do that. And they got to go 475 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 1: find a bunch of new Democrats who have an opinion 476 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 1: on uh, pro life that our pro choice that is 477 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: gonna match what Ocasio Cortes is talking about. I mean 478 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: to dump on cinema like that. Who isn't the course 479 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: of their problem right now is UH is really unexplainable 480 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 1: other than the fact that she's got a tough re 481 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: election fight and that may explain her anger today. Well 482 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: speak to that for a minute, Rick, You know Arizona 483 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 1: politics as well as anybody. Uh, how much of a 484 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: threat could this be to Kirson Cinema's career. Oh, I 485 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think there is a threat to 486 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: Kirston Cinema's career right now. I mean, you think about 487 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: all the things that are gonna happen between now in 488 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: four when she's going to seek reelection. There's already Democrats 489 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: line up to to run against her in the state 490 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: because of her position on not willing to increase taxes. 491 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: I would say that is a much more salient issue 492 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,719 Speaker 1: in in Arizona for her than it is against her 493 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 1: when she seeks reelection. She's never budged this uh filibuster 494 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: deal here, Genie, I can't imagine that this would change 495 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: her mind. But the daggers are coming out here. That's 496 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: not always a good look. It's not And you know, 497 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: I was very glad. Jen psaki Um was, you know, 498 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: very cogent and sober about this. The reality is, Number one, 499 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: they don't have the votes, as Rick said in their 500 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: own caucus to pass this. Number two, even if they did, 501 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: if they get rid of the filibuster and if they 502 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: could codify Row, if the Republicans take the Senate and 503 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: the House, which they are likely to do in the fall, 504 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: that could be overturned just as quickly. That's the argument 505 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: of people like Joe Manchin and Kristen Cinema in terms 506 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: of not approaching filibuster reform. So you know, it is 507 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: not as black and white or cut and dry as 508 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: they as you know, Alexandro Castio Cortez is suggesting as 509 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: if we get rid of this, we catified row and 510 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: that's it. The right could go away just as quickly 511 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: if the Republicans and when the Republicans take the Congress, 512 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: is the statement from Senator Cinema. Quote protections and the 513 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: Senate safeguarding against the erosion of women's access to healthcare 514 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: have been used half a dozen times in the past 515 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: ten years and are more important now than ever. Unquote uh. 516 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: That also is the argument she has delivered consistently here, Rick, 517 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: that doesn't seem to matter to other members of her party, 518 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: that this can slap back on you. That's right, and 519 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: and and it will right. I mean, the minute you 520 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: start cracking open the Fillibus rule for this, then then 521 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: it's kitty bar the door. And then it's anybody who 522 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: wants to pass a tax increase or anybody who wants 523 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:44,239 Speaker 1: to change the statute. But then it's just in reverse. Uh, 524 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: you can't put that genie back in the bottle. And 525 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: so once this genie is out, you've got to watch out. 526 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: As a democracy, it helps to erode those institutions that 527 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: help us govern as a as a group of people 528 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: with common interests. And so all those folks who say 529 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: there and wring their hands about wild democracies under assault, 530 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: well then quit talking about and in the filibuster, because 531 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: what the filibuster forces you to do is work together. Jennie, 532 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: what's the next move for the administration here? We heard 533 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: some brief remarks from the president. Uh, and of course 534 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: we heard explicit remarks from Chuck Schumer and Democrats on 535 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: the Hill who held a news conference today, you know, 536 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: promising legislative action in some you know, talking about the filibuster. 537 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: Not that that was the president. You heard the White 538 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: House's line on that. But is it going to get 539 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: to the point where we're not being honest, that that 540 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: the administration is not being honest with Democratic voters about 541 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: what's possible? Um? You know, listening to what Jensaki that 542 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: cut you just played, I think she was very honest, um. 543 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: And you know, I think the administration is going to 544 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: use this to make the case they should be making, 545 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: which is that elections matter. We are in this position 546 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: because from their perspective, they don't have enough Democrats in Congress. 547 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: Go to the polls, vote, get them in there, and 548 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: then we can make these reforms. We can even beat 549 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: a filibuster. So I think they are going to make 550 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: that argument, and I think that's the right argument to make. 551 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: We're in a democracy. You've got to get people into 552 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: positions of changing the law before you can change that law. 553 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: I also think we're going to continue to hear about 554 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: filibuster reform, but also court packing. We had the Supreme 555 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: Court commission put together by the President. I think they're 556 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: going to continue talking about that. I think they should 557 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: talk about the exceptions clause. I think they'll talk about 558 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: a lot of those things. But the reality is you've 559 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: got to vote in the mid term election if you 560 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: want to see change in Congress, and if you're a 561 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: Democrat and you want this codified, you've got to get 562 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: enough Democrats in that office. And that means in West 563 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: Virginia and Arizona, you can't choose progressives because they won't win. 564 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: When's the march on Washington, Genie, I'm asking you seriously, 565 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: I think it's going to be soon, and I think 566 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: it should. You know, this language of Aldo's draft opinion 567 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: is stunning. You know, at one point he says he 568 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: doesn't pretend to know how the political system and society 569 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: will respond to the decision. Reminded me very much of 570 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: Dread Scott and Roger Taney's argument, will just strike down 571 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: the Missouri compromise and just see how it goes, and that, 572 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: of course walks us into the Civil War. We've been 573 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: here before with with the Supreme Court. They've made disastrous 574 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: opinions in the past. They should be cognizant of what's 575 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: going to happen next. And for him to say he's not, 576 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: I think his shame on him. So I think there 577 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: should be a merch Rick Davis. The vision of the 578 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: visuals of a million, maybe more women on the National Mall. 579 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: Maybe this is the biggest march. And I'm this is 580 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: pure speculation on my part, but we know this is coming, 581 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: maybe the biggest display of of of humans gathering that 582 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 1: we've ever seen here in the Capitol. Would moments like 583 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: that change the calculus and the conversation within campaign's Democratic 584 00:32:54,880 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: and Republican in the mid terms, certainly heats it up politically, Joe. 585 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: I mean, bringing that kind of firepower to the mall 586 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: is always awesome, you know, from a political point of view. 587 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: I would remind everybody that every year since since Roe 588 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: was decided in the early nineteen seventies, UM, there's been 589 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: a march for life on January. So it's not like 590 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: we haven't seen this play out. This is an old, 591 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: somewhat tired political ploy that everybody has on both sides 592 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: of the issue, to try and use their political power 593 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: to generate change. I would I would remind you too 594 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: that that even though all this has been going on 595 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: for such a very long time since nine and seventy four, 596 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: that there's been virtually no change in public opinion on 597 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: the issue of abortion in the last forty years, and 598 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: so people are pretty much convinced as to where they're 599 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: gonna be, and all the marches on Washington hasn't changed 600 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: it today. Well, so, if you're a Republican, then being 601 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: called by Chuck Schumer to vote on this, uh, just 602 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: to make a statement, is that actually good politics for 603 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: a Republican right now? I mean, obviously a pro life Republican. Uh, 604 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: someone who has made this part of their platform is 605 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: I'm I'm assuming and embrace the opportunity. But maybe not 606 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: every lawmaker will wreck. Yeah, I don't think every lawmaker will. 607 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: And certainly early indications on this are that that there 608 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: seems to be kind of a hesitation to really sort 609 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: of get the pots and pans and clang them together. Now, look, 610 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,720 Speaker 1: if this Supreme Court does what this this this document 611 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: indicates they will do, there will be massive unhest in 612 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 1: states who will now have to decide what their state 613 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 1: policy is going to be about abortion. And that is 614 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 1: probably what a lot of these members are concerned about, 615 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 1: because the last thing they had on their minds was 616 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: going home at the end of this election cycle and 617 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 1: right before a presidential campaign having legislation in their legislatures 618 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: or on a ballot issue on abortion in their state. 619 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: All news is local, Genie goes the line here. That's 620 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: going to be the case with much more attention paid 621 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 1: to state legislatures right in gubernatorial races because of this. 622 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: That's right, And you know, the good Mocker Institute is 623 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: saying about twenty two to twenty six states. Um, you know, 624 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,760 Speaker 1: if this reversal goes forward. Are going to have trigger 625 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: laws which which you know, reverse with with real reversed. 626 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: And of course we have about thirty six governors races 627 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,840 Speaker 1: on the ballot. All of those candidates will be asked 628 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 1: what their states are going to do. And you talk 629 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: to people in Texas, they tell you they've been living 630 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,359 Speaker 1: in a post row world already and what that has 631 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: meant for women who don't have the means to travel 632 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: across the border. You listen to those stories. It doesn't 633 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: decrease the number of pregnancies or unwanted pregnancies. It increases 634 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 1: the amount of stress that these usually poor women are 635 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: under while they try to negotiate a really difficult process. 636 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: That's what we're up for in this country. If this 637 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 1: comes through. And this is day one, Genie and Rick, 638 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 1: thank you for your honest opinions here in important analysis. 639 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: My goodness, on this third of May. Who would have 640 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 1: thought we'd be talking about this at this time even yesterday. 641 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: Things are changing that fast. That's why we're here on 642 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: sound on the fastest hour in politics. I'll meet you 643 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: back here tomorrow. I'm Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg