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Speaker 1: the Trial. It has been three years since you prosecuted

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Speaker 1: the d A does want her to corroborate Mayor's Irish

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Speaker 1: numerous occasions. I know that she came from Irish Royalty,

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Speaker 1: So just to makes sense, nothing there says makes sense

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Speaker 1: this very moment. There's no turning back now. At any point,

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Speaker 1: She told me about this twenty five million dollar in

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Speaker 1: You know, that's why she's never right, because she doesn't

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Speaker 1: explained to the court how Mayor tricks me out of

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Speaker 1: I took many steps. I had six prime investigators in

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Speaker 1: She has twenty three different aliases. M Mayor's defense attorney

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Speaker 1: begins his cross examination, hitting back hard with this false

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Speaker 1: your part. He's really pissing me off. You're asking a

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Speaker 1: with that, it's that where matter that he does, a

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Speaker 1: I realized that I'm not as familiar as you where

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Speaker 1: it's also true that you are working at a document

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Speaker 1: I wish someone made a documentary one has friends with her.

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Speaker 1: By making that documentary, you have to sort of spice

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Speaker 1: He paints me as this movie making Svengali with all

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Speaker 1: like abuse, Like I'm a victim here and she had yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Bob wouldn't testify again. Chelsea would not testify again. Like,

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Speaker 1: And that's exactly what Mayor's defense attorney stresses to the

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Speaker 1: jury during closing arguments. Mr Walton created law and he

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Speaker 1: began to attack. This was all Mr wants. I told

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00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: you we're here, we had and thank god we do.

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Speaker 1: The trial comes to an end after four days of testimony.

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Speaker 1: Mayor refuses to testify in her own defense, and she

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Speaker 1: wasn't even able to find a single solitary witness to

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Speaker 1: testify on her behalf, but jurors are instructed not to

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Speaker 1: hold that against her as they begin deliberations. I remember

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00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: glancing at the jury while I was being questioned, and

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00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: I remember all the times I skipped out on jury

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00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: duty or made up excuses not to be in a jury.

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Speaker 1: Everyone you know fights jury duty. And I swore to God,

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00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: I'm like God, if you get me a conviction, I

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Speaker 1: will be a juror. Because I was hoping the jury

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Speaker 1: was smart enough and paying attention and could see through

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Speaker 1: the lies that her defense attorney was saying. And I

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00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: made a vow to God that if he just lets

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Speaker 1: them see the truth, the next time I'm a call

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Speaker 1: for a jury duty, I will serve happily, and I'll

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Speaker 1: apply myself, and I'll be the jury foreman, and we'll

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00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: we'll try for justice. Serving on a jury is so

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00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: important because their lives hanging in the balance, you know,

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00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: like mine was. And they need smart people, not just

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Speaker 1: people who can't talk themselves out of jury duty cures.

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Speaker 1: You say birth, so you have an unanimous worth in

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Speaker 1: the stage in jurors reach a verdict in just three hours,

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00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: which could be good or could be really bad. I'm

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00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: on pins and needles right up to the moment the

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Speaker 1: verdict is read aloud in court California carry in Los Angeles, California,

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Speaker 1: first injury and about the cattle fashion in guilty and

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Speaker 1: that actually apply as charge. She had the information gave

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Speaker 1: the Sarthew January, and she doesn't that change in general

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Speaker 1: jury insisting law, Yes, m work. You like to have

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00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: the jurorshold h jury comes back guilty verdict Like how

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00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: do you feel. It was like a huge weight had lifted.

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00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: It was just relief and joy and satisfaction and just

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00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: a swirl of emotions, but all of them good, all

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00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: of them happy, all of them. I was thrilled. It's

467
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: like that moment where everything you worked for it paid off.

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Speaker 1: She got convicted. You know it wasn't in vain. I

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00:31:43,800 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: was relieved by the time a Los Angeles jury convicts

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Speaker 1: Mayor of grand theft by false pretense. I'm out seven

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00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty four dollars total. Most of it is

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Speaker 1: what Mayor scammed for me. The rest I had to

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00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: spend on lawyers, private investigators, and paying credit card interest.

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00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: During sentencing, Mayor's attorney goes along for a hail Mary

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Speaker 1: pass instead of jail time. I'm gonna use. Can't blame

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Speaker 1: a guy for trying right. The judge sentences Mayor to

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00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: the maximum five years in jail, but she'll only actually

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00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: have to serve two and a half. To stem jail

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Speaker 1: over crowding and to incentivize inmates to behave while locked up,

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00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: Los Angeles County only requires them to serve half their time.

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00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: If may had taken the plea deal of one year

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Speaker 1: in jail before the trial. She would have been out

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Speaker 1: in six months. And while the jury wasn't allowed to

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00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: hear the full history of all of Mayor's cons the

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00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: judge was, and he unloads on her during sentencing because

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Speaker 1: he realizes now what I've known for the past two years.

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00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: She is really an in better thief and someone who

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Speaker 1: is I think classically referred to the associatedgy. Showed no remorse,

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Speaker 1: no sense of contrition of any sort whatsoever, while we

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Speaker 1: were hearing testimony about how previously impacted the victim in

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Speaker 1: the state Mr Walton was by her behavior. I have

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Speaker 1: people who, without any apparent justification or bought, take the

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Speaker 1: lives of other people. You didn't do that here in

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Speaker 1: the strictest sense, but you damaged one. So I don't

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Speaker 1: know what to say for you, other than that you've

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Speaker 1: got to stop her wing the sort of thing. You've

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00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: got to live not on your wris but instead on

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00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: hard work, and I hope that you change your ways.

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00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 1: So Mayor goes to jail in January. Watching her lead

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Speaker 1: out of the courtroom in handcuffs, crestfallen and haggard almost

501
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: makes me feel sorry for her. Almost She's supposed to

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00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: be released from jail in two and a half years

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Speaker 1: in June of Northern Ireland is ready to extradite her

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Speaker 1: as soon as she is. But then our top story,

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Speaker 1: we're learning more about the states plan to release inmates

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Speaker 1: from jails and prisons across California in an effort to

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Speaker 1: stop the spread of COVID nineteen. In December, seven months

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Speaker 1: before she's scheduled to be released, Mayor gets sprunk. She's

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00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: at a jail right now, right because of COVID. She

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00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: got out early because they were releasing a lot of

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00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: non violent criminals early, and COVID has helped in another way.

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Speaker 1: She was supposed to be extradited to Northern Ireland when

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00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: she was released from jail here in Los Angeles, but

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00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: because of COVID, Northern Ireland's on lockdown because they're surging

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00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: in cases, so they're not putting any importance on extraditing

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00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: a non violent criminal, you know. So I went on

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Speaker 1: LinkedIn and I found some l A County parole officers.

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00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: I reached out to like a dozen of them. A

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00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: couple of them got back to me. I just wanted

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Speaker 1: information how the parole system works, so I got one

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00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 1: on the phone talked to her for like an hour

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00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 1: and she told me point blank. So if she stopped

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00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: showing up her parole every month, we won't know she's

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Speaker 1: missing at least for like a year, because every pro

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Speaker 1: officer has four dred cases. They're dealing with four hundred

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00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: parole leads they gotta check in with every month, and

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00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: it takes months before they realize that one's missing. So

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00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: she could very well escape into the ether and never

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Speaker 1: be heard from again. You know, I like how your

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00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: eyes lived up like that. That was a good line,

531
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: though I liked it because the producer and may I

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00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: liked it. If it was me, like, my first inclination

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00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 1: would be to run away and hide, Like if I

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00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: got took for all that money, like I would feel ashamed,

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00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: you know, Like I feel like I questioned myself because

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00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: you talk to people and immediately like, oh, yeah, she

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00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: stole money, But a lot of these you found out

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00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: a lot of these people didn't come forward. Why do

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00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: you think that is? Well, everyone is so ashamed, and

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00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 1: I've learned everyone is so embarrassed and shackled by the

541
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: thought of what will people think. But as an openly

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00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: gay man, and I think any openly gay person has

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00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: that advantage that the others don't have, because when you're open,

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00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: when you come out of the closet, the world is

545
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 1: not anxious to greet you with hugs and kisses and acceptance.

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00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,919
Speaker 1: I made peace with not giving a funk what people

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00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: think when I was thirty, you know, sixteen years ago,

548
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 1: when I came out, because you can't as an openly

549
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: gay person, you can't care what people think, or you'll

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00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 1: die because most people don't approve they're parts of the world.

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00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: Gay people are still being put to death, even in

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00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: the United States of American gay people who being kicked

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00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: out of their families, kicked out of their apartments, fired

554
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: from their jobs for being gay. So to come out,

555
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: you already have to divorce yourself from caring what people think.

556
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: So I didn't have that, and that helped me. Never

557
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: for a second did it occur to me, well, what

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00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: are people going to think? I was so angry and

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00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: I wanted justice. It didn't even occur to me to

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00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: care what people think, and that was an advantage. Do

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00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: you hate her now? I did hate her for a

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00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: long time, but I have made peace. I don't hate her,

563
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: and in a weird way, I'm grateful. I'm grateful she

564
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: scammed me because it revealed in me a person I

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00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: didn't know existed, someone I didn't know I could be.

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00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: I've become, and I like that person. I'm like a

567
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,280
Speaker 1: private investigator. I'm helping victims of other cons get ASTI

568
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I like who it turned me into.

569
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: It's like you with your train wreck of a marriage.

570
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 1: Aren't you glad? Aren't you glad? It was a trainer actor.

571
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: Just look at you now? You have a beautiful wife,

572
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: You're a beautiful kid. Look at the amazing life you

573
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: have only because you went through that train wreck of

574
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: a divorce. I guess sometimes you gotta just go through

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00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: hell to come out the other end. And I'll ask

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00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: you a same question. Do you hate your ex wife? No,

577
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 1: not at all? After but she did, you don't hate her? No,

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00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: not at all. I wish you the best. I can't

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00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: say I wish Mayor the best, because to wish her

580
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: the best means she's gonna scare more people. But I

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00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,439
Speaker 1: don't wish her ill. Even though I'll say I hope

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00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: she gets help and becomes a better person, I don't

583
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 1: think she's capable because I don't think she has a soul,

584
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: which sounds harsh. I don't take it personally that she

585
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: scammed me. I was just in her way. It's like

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00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: if you get attacked by a shark, you can't hate

587
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 1: the shark. The shark is just doing what sharks do.

588
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: There's no prethought or planning. You're just in their way.

589
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: They're going to attack you. She's a con artist. She's

590
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: gonna con whoever's around her. She's always been conning since

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00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: she was a girl, and now she's fifty two. She's

592
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: not going to change. Mayor's daughter. Chelsea has known that

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00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: for thirty years now. At this point, nothing surprises her.

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00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: So your mom got released early because of COVID, That's

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00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,919
Speaker 1: what I was figuring. How does that make you feel?

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00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: Are you worried she's gonna come after you? Oh, I'm

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00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: not worried if she is really that idiot, Like, I'm

598
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: just hoping that she knows now in this situation, like

599
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: I am the alpha and I'm not scared, and she

600
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,439
Speaker 1: will never touch me again. She will never harm me again.

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00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: She will never have power over my emotional state. But

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00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: because she knows, I basically put her in jail. I

603
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: will always have power over her, and I have no

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00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: trouble asserting that now until the day I take my

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00:39:54,239 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: last breath, or she does whatever happens first. Wow, I

606
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 1: know how she feels. I'm trying to keep tabs on

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00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: Mayor's whereabouts in Los Angeles. Now I'm parked out front

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00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: of the last place I saw her eighteen months ago,

609
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: but she's not there, and I have no idea where

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00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: she is. Neither does the private detective I hire to

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00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: track her down, which is troubling because Marianne Elizabeth Smith

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00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 1: is a master of disguise. She's also had a bunch

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00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 1: of plastic surgery. Google her. The way she looks in

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00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: Northern Ireland pulling cons as a blonde, is completely different

615
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: from the way she looks in Tennessee, pulling cons as

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00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: a brunette, which is completely different from the way she

617
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 1: looks in Los Angeles, pulling cons with jet black hair.

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Speaker 1: Keep your eyes peeled and your ears open. The next

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Speaker 1: time a kind and friendly stranger offers to help you

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00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: with something. It could very well be mary Anne Smith,

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Speaker 1: but that won't be the name she's using. I assure you,

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Speaker 1: so pay close attention. You've all been warned for exclusive

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