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Speaker 1: Lance also watched the Sting retirement aw paper view this weekend,
Speaker 1: so we'll get his thoughts on that.
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Speaker 1: We got a lot of news to get into here today.
Speaker 1: Yesterday was Raw, Monday Night Raw, and the last two
Speaker 1: weeks of Raw. We've got WrestleMania show coming up about
Speaker 1: a month away. Is it is quite a while away.
Speaker 1: But WrestleMania is two nights, and that means we have
Speaker 1: to have what sixteen matches eighteen twenty if you count
Speaker 1: pre shows, and right now we have five official matches
Speaker 1: for WrestleMania, and the last two weeks of Raw has
Speaker 1: been three hours of continuing the build for the same
Speaker 1: five matches. Let's get some new matches here, bro, but
Speaker 1: we do have some. We're gonna find out who's challenging
Speaker 1: Gunther for the Interconninental title next week on Raw, and
Speaker 1: I'll tell you who I think it's gonna be. It
Speaker 1: could be what do I think it's gonna be? And
Speaker 1: of course we've got a bunch of other matches, including
Speaker 1: on Friday, they will likely make official official the Cody
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Speaker 1: for Night one of WrestleMania, so we'll talk about that.
Speaker 1: We got NXT Roadblock coming up here tonight. We got
Speaker 1: notes on the Dynamite show tomorrow, which, unless there's something
Speaker 1: I've been seeing in the last couple hours, we still
Speaker 1: only have one possible match for Dynamite tomorrow. I think
Speaker 1: this is the latest they've ever gone without announcing anything
Speaker 1: else for the show. But a lot to get into
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Speaker 2: You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
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Speaker 1: Back in the show, Brian Albarez here Wrestling Observer Live
Speaker 1: like simper vv, also of wrestling observer dot com. And yes,
Speaker 1: Lance Storm is joining us here today, and we're not
Speaker 1: even Lance. We're not even gonna even move on to
Speaker 1: anything here today, nothing, not even the retirement of the
Speaker 1: Great Sting until we talk about Randijord and Austin Theory.
Speaker 1: I've been waiting all day for this, So hit me
Speaker 1: with it. Hit me baby one more time.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I watched the uh suplex spot that you've talked
Speaker 11: about on two or three show, and it hanes me
Speaker 11: to admit this. I'm on team Olverrez with this thing.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 11: Brand Orton slipped. I think Theory had no option. He
Speaker 11: already had a foot on the top and had his
Speaker 11: head start getting pulled down, so I think he just
Speaker 11: instinciously is like I got a flip or I'm gonna die,
Speaker 11: And at the last second Randy realized this dude's going
Speaker 11: to flip and overrotate like crazy and die, and Randy
Speaker 11: instinctively at the last second stepped forward, pulled his head
Speaker 11: down and hit a perfect souplex. So, yes, Randy slipped,
Speaker 11: So ultimately it's his fault that it didn't go as well,
Speaker 11: but it's also his experience and just absolute presence in
Speaker 11: the ring that saved it at the end.
Speaker 1: Oh, I see I see simPRO viv over there shaking
Speaker 1: his gimmick pen.
Speaker 3: Yes, Simpy, it is a legitimate writing pen. Sir and Lance,
Speaker 3: I want to ask you, even though this was not tragic,
Speaker 3: it could have been, but what has been in your time?
Speaker 3: What has been the best?
Speaker 11: Say?
Speaker 3: Have you ever seen on a spot that was going
Speaker 3: badly where you saw someone really save someone else for me?
Speaker 3: Tragic circumstance?
Speaker 11: Yeah, there was one recently worded dou oh again, may
Speaker 11: not be the most but the one that came to
Speaker 11: mind immediately was Logan Paul with Ray when they he
Speaker 11: did the lion salt gimmick back and obviously the distance
Speaker 11: was wrong and he slid in and and saved the spot.
Speaker 11: Like again, Ray's aware of where he is. Ray wouldn't
Speaker 11: have physically died. Oh yeah, it looked like crap and
Speaker 11: you know, screwed up the flow of the mast.
Speaker 1: Hold on, Lance, standby for one second, Jared, Apparently there's
Speaker 1: music coming through. Can you kill that?
Speaker 3: What song is it?
Speaker 1: I don't know, I can't hear it, but the chants like,
Speaker 1: what is this music? Okay, go ahead, Lance, Lance's got
Speaker 1: his own theme music.
Speaker 2: Now I love it.
Speaker 11: As I was saying, like Ray wouldn't have died. He
Speaker 11: would have been able to get his fore arms down
Speaker 11: and saved himself, but it would have completely killed the
Speaker 11: flow of the match. But Logan managed to slide in
Speaker 11: on like one knee and catch the dude and save
Speaker 11: the spot. I thought that was especially considering his experience level.
Speaker 11: Just great athletic instinct.
Speaker 1: And you know, I gotta say one thing about that
Speaker 1: as well, because I know a lot of people absolutely
Speaker 1: hate Logan Paul, but you know, to the guy's credit.
Speaker 1: You know, when we watched that, at least when I
Speaker 1: watched that, and a lot of other people as well,
Speaker 1: they're like, oh my god, Logan saved raised life. You know,
Speaker 1: thank God for Logan Paul. And when he was interviewed
Speaker 1: about it, he was like, listen, I'll take the credit,
Speaker 1: but you know, to be honest, I was a little
Speaker 1: too far out. So a lot of that was also
Speaker 1: my fault, like I got in there because it was
Speaker 1: just instinctual. But you know, he admitted that he had
Speaker 1: also made a positioning mistake and he did not just
Speaker 1: take full credit for saving the guy's life, even though
Speaker 1: everybody else was giving him that credit.
Speaker 11: Takes two to tango, and he managed to adjust and
Speaker 11: get it done. And same with Randy. It's like he
Speaker 11: slipped and he managed to realize where he was and
Speaker 11: adjusted and ended up pulling off a supplex. It probably
Speaker 11: ended up getting a better reaction than if he just
Speaker 11: done the superplex.
Speaker 1: Now, before we get in everything else, Lance, obviously you
Speaker 1: watched the pay per view on Sunday, the retirement of Sting.
Speaker 1: I know this because I heard all about one of
Speaker 1: my star ratings. But we don't need to talk about
Speaker 1: that here, Yes we do, an I guess what you
Speaker 1: gotta want more? Star rais a fight about well, go
Speaker 1: up to uh wrestlingobserver dot com. I used to put
Speaker 1: on my subscriber only TV reports they're going up for
Speaker 1: all the shows ras up right now did SmackDown, Collision
Speaker 1: Dynamite every week and the pay per view, And yes,
Speaker 1: I give my own star ratings. Lance took exception to one.
Speaker 1: But we don't need to talk about that, do we list?
Speaker 1: But anyway, what'd you think of the.
Speaker 11: Show on the whole? I enjoyed it, and I generally
Speaker 11: don't watch pay per view shows, but Sting's retirement got
Speaker 11: me and intrigued me. I was a Sting fan from
Speaker 11: starkad eighty seven the first time I saw him the
Speaker 11: six man tag, and I thought he was awesome. I
Speaker 11: was a gigantic Sting Mark. I'm trying to find a
Speaker 11: photo a bunch of buddy of mine back when we
Speaker 11: were high school crazy wrestling buddies got together for a
Speaker 11: big wrestling show and dressed up, and I do have
Speaker 11: one somewhere back when I actually had normal hair, but
Speaker 11: I managed to try to position it into as much
Speaker 11: of a square flat top as I could spray painted
Speaker 11: it white, not spray paint, obviously, it was whatever cosmetic
Speaker 11: shops use. Our costume shops used to spray your hair
Speaker 11: white and put on stingface paint. So I do have
Speaker 11: a photo somewhere, I just can't find it of me
Speaker 11: as a I guess technically a little Stinger big wrestling mark,
Speaker 11: and then obviously got to meet him and work with
Speaker 11: him that one time in WW. I got a ton
Speaker 11: of respect for him, and I wanted to see the end.
Speaker 11: And I'm not a fan of a lot of the
Speaker 11: haos and hardcore craziness that went on in that match,
Speaker 11: but when they got down the end, and he won.
Speaker 11: I got to admit I got choked up a bit
Speaker 11: and got goosebumps and ended up making it for a
Speaker 11: great evening, and I enjoyed it because got a lot
Speaker 11: of respect and love for Sting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's he's one of those rare guys
Speaker 1: and they've been coming out of the woodwork. Nobody's got
Speaker 1: anything bad to say about Sting. And as you're well aware, Lance,
Speaker 1: I talked about this yesterday. You know, not only does
Speaker 1: nobody have anything bad to say about Sting, but there's
Speaker 1: also people that say all sorts of great things about
Speaker 1: Sting publicly, but privately they say even better things that
Speaker 1: they didn't even say publicly. So great guy, glad We
Speaker 1: wantee him go out on his terms literally exactly. That's
Speaker 1: a cliche, but he went out on his terms. He
Speaker 1: picked everything he did.
Speaker 11: The one line that I popped for maybe it's a
Speaker 11: bit of a cheap shot, but I laughed at when
Speaker 11: I think it was. Tony said, you know, Sting's an
Speaker 11: even better man than he is a wrestler. You can't
Speaker 11: say that about too many people, And I'm like, one
Speaker 11: might say that Warrior was a better person than a wrestler,
Speaker 11: and that's just because both bars are so low.
Speaker 3: One thing for sure is Sting went out a hero
Speaker 3: to wrestling fans. He went out a hero. Even those
Speaker 3: times where he dabbled as a heel being put in
Speaker 3: that position by the main event, Mafia or the nWo.
Speaker 3: It's not like he changed his style. He may have
Speaker 3: added an ipoke for comedy here or there, but he
Speaker 3: was always Sting and once he became a babyface in
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty seven, after he turned on Eddie Gilbert and
Speaker 3: started that in the UWF, he became the guy that
Speaker 3: wrestling fans could believe in. And he was that all
Speaker 3: the way up until that night a couple of days
Speaker 3: ago in Greensboro. It's just an amazing, amazing career.
Speaker 1: So Lance, what you think of the rest of this
Speaker 1: show with the highs and lows.
Speaker 11: Highs for me were were definitely Ospray Takeshta. That was
Speaker 11: I think my favorite out of the night. Second, I
Speaker 11: would go with Danielson and Eddie Kingston as far as
Speaker 11: a match, obviously, as far as the emotion goes, I
Speaker 11: give it the Sting, But again I'm not a fan
Speaker 11: of the well brawl around ring side, we'll go through tables,
Speaker 11: we'll go through glass, will do stunts. So those as
Speaker 11: a match, it didn't do much for me until the
Speaker 11: end with the ear falls. But those two matches, the
Speaker 11: Kingston Danielson and the Takeshta Ospray to Me were the
Speaker 11: the top two. The the tag team match, which obviously
Speaker 11: was you know, very well received. I prefer the more
Speaker 11: traditional FTR classic old school wrestling tag team match where
Speaker 11: Moxley is that free spirit, wild fighter guy that doesn't
Speaker 11: really follow a traditional format of any kind whatsoever, which
Speaker 11: works for him. But I much prefer FTR in a
Speaker 11: different environment. So that match, while good, wasn't as high
Speaker 11: up as I would like. I prefer the more traditional
Speaker 11: midnight express style tag team match that FTR is so
Speaker 11: great at. Two little nitpicks that bothered me on the show.
Speaker 1: Actually hold your thought right there, we'll get nitpicks after
Speaker 1: the break. Nitpick Observer Live.
Speaker 2: You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
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Speaker 1: Bray Elberez here Wrestling Observer Live, Mike Sember vv Lance
Speaker 1: Storm Lance had two nitpicks. Mm hmm, it's here, Lance
Speaker 1: got a character, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 11: I thought it was really dumb when they announced that
Speaker 11: the Continental Crown will be fought under Continental Crown rules
Speaker 11: where outside interference isn't allowed. I'm like, and then Tony,
Speaker 11: one of the announced think was Tony even said like
Speaker 11: in the first match, and I'm like, the outside interference
Speaker 11: wasn't allowed in that match they distracted the ref and cheated.
Speaker 11: And it's like, if you could just outlaw outside interference
Speaker 11: by a rule, why wouldn't every match in wrestling do that?
Speaker 11: I just thought that was dumb.
Speaker 1: Well, as I explained to Vinnie, I can make my
Speaker 1: own storyline. Here we go. Yeah, because the Tony Kahan
Speaker 1: character is a psychopath. That's why he enjoys having madness
Speaker 1: and insanity occur to make his job as a storyline
Speaker 1: booker easier. That's why.
Speaker 11: But it wasn't allowed in the first match. They managed
Speaker 11: to distract the ref and cheat. If it was allowed,
Speaker 11: then Christian has no heat. Well of course, yes, the
Speaker 11: other you're not supposed.
Speaker 1: To interfere, but like that, there's a difference. Lance, You're
Speaker 1: not supposed to interfere, but if you can do it
Speaker 1: by and the refere you don't see it. It's okay
Speaker 1: this you're not even allowed to be out there. You're
Speaker 1: not even allowed, whether the ref season or not. You can't.
Speaker 11: Well, then they should just well, of course, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Everyone should always be banned from ringside. Everyone. You have
Speaker 1: to used to have to manager's license.
Speaker 11: That the heat. When someone's you know, tag partner would
Speaker 11: get a manager's license and come to ringside, it's diabolical.
Speaker 3: Well, you get one of those outsiders at AEW loves
Speaker 3: the use. You get added Kevin Gates out there with
Speaker 3: a referees license before he beat up somebody.
Speaker 11: And the other thing, which just baffled me once I
Speaker 11: saw it. It was so cool when Sting's kids came
Speaker 11: out in his previous gimmicks. I could not believe that
Speaker 11: they'd let Mariah May come out in Tony Storm's previous
Speaker 11: gimmick and do the exact same thing that they're doing
Speaker 11: in Sting's retirement in a random match in the middle
Speaker 11: of the show, like when I first saw when I
Speaker 11: saw the again Great American based nineteen ninety Sting on
Speaker 11: the stage, It's like I popped and then it just
Speaker 11: flashed my eyes. Like I just saw this like three
Speaker 11: matches ago, when the alter ego of Tony Storm came out.
Speaker 11: I just thought that was unbelievable that I got through
Speaker 11: the checks and balances.
Speaker 1: Well, I think the issue is there are not a
Speaker 1: lot of checks and balances.
Speaker 3: I think that's the issue right there, because there's a
Speaker 3: lot of times where they don't dot i's or cross
Speaker 3: t's and you have, you know, two matches that start
Speaker 3: back to back outside of the ring, or you have
Speaker 3: two finishes back to back that are essentially the same.
Speaker 3: I mean that does happen pretty often there. I mean,
Speaker 3: it probably happens in on both sides of things, you know,
Speaker 3: way too often. It certainly does in the case of WWE.
Speaker 3: But AW, yeah, absolutely that's happens.
Speaker 1: I Mean one of the issues is AW doesn't do
Speaker 1: pre show production meetings where they go over everything that's
Speaker 1: going on on the show. And I don't know why
Speaker 1: they don't. I mean everybody everybody does production meetings. I
Speaker 1: even remember when it's not really we didn't have a
Speaker 1: production but like and I can't even tell the story
Speaker 1: on the air because there's too much profanity. But when
Speaker 1: we used to those ICW shows with Tim Flowers. He
Speaker 1: would have the pre show meeting and everybody would have
Speaker 1: to explain what they were gonna do. And man, you
Speaker 1: never heard so much profanities. He shut this down, He
Speaker 1: shut that down. You ain't doing this, that's being done later.
Speaker 1: You You guys just don't get it. You know how
Speaker 1: many times I heard that one in a much more
Speaker 1: profane version. But that would certainly help. Yeah you think so?
Speaker 3: I don't know, Lance, here the pro you think?
Speaker 2: What do you think? Yeah?
Speaker 11: I think it would help because again, that idea of
Speaker 11: having Sting's kids come out in his previous gimmicks was fantastic.
Speaker 11: It was a great moment, and just doing it in
Speaker 11: the undercard on the same show, to me was just
Speaker 11: mind blowing.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you, Lance, for the guys that you
Speaker 3: worked for, where, well, in a case like Vince or
Speaker 3: or really, I guess in any large company, obviously guys
Speaker 3: are working out details of things with the agent that
Speaker 3: is assigned to their match or somebody that they're comfort
Speaker 3: comfortable with. Wouldn't the production meeting, I mean, when does
Speaker 3: it happen where you start comparing notes to make sure
Speaker 3: that nobody is bigfooting somebody else during the show.
Speaker 11: Well, it'd be production meeting would be the start of it,
Speaker 11: because all agents are there when they read through the
Speaker 11: entirety of the show. So there would be the assumption
Speaker 11: that once you got to the main event and someone
Speaker 11: says like, all right, there'll be the sting entrance we got,
Speaker 11: you know, Steve Junior, whatever the other son's name is
Speaker 11: coming out, someone would go, it's like, should we be
Speaker 11: doing that in the women's match if that's the main event,
Speaker 11: And just somewhere along the line, Now it's possible that
Speaker 11: they wanted that to be a surprise whoever came up
Speaker 11: with the idea, And oh, I mean, it'd be great
Speaker 11: if nobody knows it's just part of his entrance. But
Speaker 11: the fact that they were involved in the match, I
Speaker 11: would think everyone would know that they'd be in that gear.
Speaker 11: And someone would have kaibashed the early version of Tony Storm.
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about Paul Hayman. He's going into
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. I know, Lance, you are delighted.
Speaker 11: Very much, so, yes, I'm a big Paul Hayman guy.
Speaker 11: I was a big fan of him as a manager
Speaker 11: back in the AWA and WCW the Dangerous Alliance to
Speaker 11: the original Midnight Express, his arm wrestling feud with Missy
Speaker 11: Hyatt and all the other crazy the Tuxedo match with
Speaker 11: Jim Cornett, all this crazy stuff he did then, and
Speaker 11: then obviously my time in ECW working with him as
Speaker 11: a booker. I was a big fan of working with Paul,
Speaker 11: and then obviously his run as an advocate as well
Speaker 11: as a creative contributor in WB. It's like, you can
Speaker 11: say what you want about the WB Hall of Fame,
Speaker 11: but there are certain people that make it real and
Speaker 11: give it credibility, like the Bruno, Sam Martinos, the Steve
Speaker 11: Austins and so forth that go in and Paul Hayman's
Speaker 11: like that, Bobby Heenan's in there. He deserved it, and
Speaker 11: Paul Hayman is a very much legit Hall of Famer.
Speaker 11: In my opinion, I think he has to go on
Speaker 11: last because there's nobody on this planet that's following his speech,
Speaker 11: unless perhaps they're putting the Rock into and then Rock
Speaker 11: could probably do it. But other than that, Hayman's going
Speaker 11: to be your man.
Speaker 3: Who do you think is the person that inducts him?
Speaker 3: Because there are so many people.
Speaker 1: They say Sandman, I will accept nobody else.
Speaker 11: Actually, what I saw a post it was Hayman re
Speaker 11: posted it or shared it on something. KAYLEB Braxton I
Speaker 11: think would be really actually chemistry they have it wouldn't
Speaker 11: need to be long because you don't want whoever's inducting
Speaker 11: Paul to talk for very long because Paul needs the time.
Speaker 11: So I think Kayla would be great. They've got that
Speaker 11: good chemistry. She can just say a few words. There
Speaker 11: can be that one little uncomfortable moment when she passes
Speaker 11: the torch to the microphone to him and then let
Speaker 11: Paul do his thing. I'd be all for Kayla Braxton.
Speaker 3: You know, it'll probably end up being his Tommy Dreamer
Speaker 3: because you know, obviously with the serious XM that he
Speaker 3: has on Busted Open and everything, I could see him
Speaker 3: being somebody that they would use, although you know, because
Speaker 3: I don't think that they're going to be asking for
Speaker 3: Taz or anybody like that. I don't think that's certainly
Speaker 3: not going to be happening. So I could see Dreamer
Speaker 3: possibly being used for that for that spot, or even
Speaker 3: Bully Ray I guess too, considering his you know, connections there.
Speaker 3: I don't know how connected he still is to TNA
Speaker 3: or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Well, lam'ce worse for TNA. So thank god we got
Speaker 1: him here to answer that question.
Speaker 11: I don't get updates on when people add and leave
Speaker 11: the roster. Those who show up on the booking sheets
Speaker 11: are the ones I work with.
Speaker 1: Men's McMahon is down to only owning six point five
Speaker 1: percent of TKO. He sold five point three five million
Speaker 1: shares and pocketed four hundred million dollars in cash. How
Speaker 1: much is Saudi Arabias guy buying? Like, what's going on here?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 11: Maybe he's got legal fees and more NDAs to purchase.
Speaker 1: I don't know. He four hundred million dollars worth.
Speaker 11: Bro, you were a female person that had a negative
Speaker 11: working experience with him in the past and wanted a payday, boy,
Speaker 11: I bet you could get one right now.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I think the peak was at eight million.
Speaker 1: I think one of them was eight million, seven million.
Speaker 1: We don't know anything about that one. Think about that.
Speaker 1: Think about that. We don't know anything about the person
Speaker 1: that he paid like seven million dollars to. Can you imagine?
Speaker 3: And could there be civil suits that end up coming
Speaker 3: down the line from people who have not stepped up
Speaker 3: yet that that may step up.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 1: Again, this is Janelle Grant was three million, right, I
Speaker 1: think it was three million. Yeah, okay, there was another
Speaker 1: one that was seven Yeah. Yikes.
Speaker 2: Not a good guy.
Speaker 1: Hopefully comes out someday. We've got a couple of notes
Speaker 1: on this weekend. MS three hundred and forty four thousand
Speaker 1: and a point one zero Countdown to Revolution two hundred
Speaker 1: and thirteen thousand and an oero point six. And it's
Speaker 1: one of those things where I expect this pay per
Speaker 1: view to do maybe their best number ever or very
Speaker 1: close to it. And this was the case, you know,
Speaker 1: way back in the day, remember these do those UFC
Speaker 1: countdown specials. There was like never any correlation between how
Speaker 1: many people watch the countdown special and how many people
Speaker 1: watch the pay per view. Sometimes you'd have tons of
Speaker 1: people watching the countdown and it would did all right.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you'd have a very low number and the pay
Speaker 1: per view did great. So, you know, this is nothing
Speaker 1: for a Countdown special two thirteen and zero point zero six,
Speaker 1: but I expect the pay per view to do a
Speaker 1: very big number. Collision did four hundred and fifty five
Speaker 1: thousand and a point one three did have some competition
Speaker 1: from the NBA and SmackDown. SmackDown One is weird two
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Speaker 1: bit from the week prior. But this is the show
Speaker 1: that had forty minutes of Rock Roman Reigns and those
Speaker 1: segments did almost three million viewers two point seven five million,
Speaker 1: one point seven five and as soon as they were
Speaker 1: gone it fell to two point two million a point
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Speaker 2: You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike semperviv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: So here's the thing with The Rock. If you look
Speaker 1: at this number, you know a lot of people watch
Speaker 1: The Rock, and then when he was gone, they were
Speaker 1: out of there half million people. So if you watch
Speaker 1: shows where you know Rock is advertised but he doesn't
Speaker 1: come out at the beginning, they hold the audience much
Speaker 1: better throughout the course of the show. So obviously, what
Speaker 1: you would want to do is advertise The Rock is
Speaker 1: going to be there and then tease him throughout the
Speaker 1: show and then he comes out of the end, and
Speaker 1: you would probably do better than this show did in
Speaker 1: terms of total viewership, especially when he's out there for
Speaker 1: as long as he was. But here's the problem. Rock
Speaker 1: did a twenty one minute promo on social media and
Speaker 1: then you know him and Roman came out and took
Speaker 1: up the first forty minutes of the show. So the
Speaker 1: issue is, you know, you bring that guy out at
Speaker 1: you know, eight forty five or whatever, like he's got
Speaker 1: a very specific timeque that he's got to hit. And
Speaker 1: you know what I heard, and this was before the
Speaker 1: rating came out, is well, you know, Rock's probably gonna
Speaker 1: be opening a lot of smackdowns because it's easier to
Speaker 1: make it up after he goes out then to try
Speaker 1: to box him into a very hard time queue. So
Speaker 1: there're kind of been a little issue here where well,
Speaker 1: do we bring him out at the end and you know,
Speaker 1: someone's got to be sitting there doing this, or do
Speaker 1: you bring him out the beginning and he has as much
Speaker 1: time as he needs and then everybody turns off the
Speaker 1: show afterwards. So we'll see what they do this coming Friday.
Speaker 1: They've they've you know, they're doing Rock, Roman, Cody and
Speaker 1: Seth on the show Friday, So it'll be very interesting
Speaker 1: to see where they place that segment.
Speaker 11: They need to start trying to book him like they
Speaker 11: did the Austin mcmonfeud. They would have interaction at the beginning,
Speaker 11: They would have a t's in the middle of the
Speaker 11: show and then they would wrap it up and conclude
Speaker 11: with them at the end, and hey, he can always
Speaker 11: end the show like Sting did the pay per view
Speaker 11: looking at the camera, going and we get a time
Speaker 11: que and then they just go away.
Speaker 1: Well, you know it's much easier too, if you remember
Speaker 1: those shows, what did we always talk about long twenty
Speaker 1: minute promo to open them? Show? Boring twenty minute promo
Speaker 1: with triple H. Well, if you're gonna do this with Rock,
Speaker 1: he should talk at the beginning because it's harder to
Speaker 1: wrap up Rock when he's talking. But like, if he's
Speaker 1: doing some physical he's not gonna need twenty five minutes,
Speaker 1: do a couple of spots and get out of there.
Speaker 1: That's the stuff you save till the end.
Speaker 3: But isn't the problem is that he's not doing anything physical,
Speaker 3: at least that we've seen yet. And the whole thing
Speaker 3: with all of this is revolving around the fact that
Speaker 3: he's talking. And are you putting him in some sort
Speaker 3: of situation by having him do physicality and or is
Speaker 3: that a concern?
Speaker 1: Well, no, he didn't get a rock bottom a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago and he.
Speaker 3: Was all blown up though with Gingder there, I mean
Speaker 3: I'm thinking things certainly doing things behind the scenes, but
Speaker 3: do you think that that might be the concern?
Speaker 1: I don't think well.
Speaker 11: I think you have to be careful in that now
Speaker 11: that he's in a specific direction with Seth and Cody,
Speaker 11: if Brian is right and this is a covert, undercover,
Speaker 11: secret plan with the Rock that will lead to him
Speaker 11: helping Cody take everything away from Roman reigns, They've got
Speaker 11: to be careful because if he's or even Seth, if
Speaker 11: he's in on it, and then if they're out there
Speaker 11: punching and trading punches, it's like it makes the story
Speaker 11: not work. So you've got to be careful. But teasing
Speaker 11: him coming back and not having physicality but teasing it
Speaker 11: wouldn't be terri.
Speaker 1: And it'd be very interesting to see when the Raw
Speaker 1: ratings come out in the quarter hours, because this opening
Speaker 1: segment of Raw was like the funniest unintentional comedy in
Speaker 1: the sense that Seth, Rawlins and Cody came out and
Speaker 1: literally talked about how my god, Rock did twenty one minutes.
Speaker 1: Who could listen to this guy talk for twenty one minutes?
Speaker 1: He just droned on and on for twenty one minutes.
Speaker 1: They said, and the segment's over. I look at the clock.
Speaker 1: They had him met there for twenty three minutes. And
Speaker 1: the irony is, not only did they go out there
Speaker 1: and ramble longer than the Rock did, but they said
Speaker 1: last Rock and is twenty went a minute promo. I
Speaker 1: mean essentially, he told the entire storyline that he has
Speaker 1: created in his head. For this entire thing, he filled
Speaker 1: in a lot of blanks and ultimately it set up
Speaker 1: a big match for WrestleMania Rock and Roman Reigns versus
Speaker 1: Seth and Cody. Meanwhile, Seth and Cody went twenty three minutes,
Speaker 1: and literally after twenty three minutes, they didn't even accept
Speaker 1: the challenge. They said, we'll see you on Friday and
Speaker 1: give us our answer. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: that took forever to say nothing. Lancey raised your hand,
Speaker 1: what do you think of the Rocks twenty women?
Speaker 11: I was just raising my hand because you said, who
Speaker 11: could listen to this guy cut a promo for twenty
Speaker 11: one minute?
Speaker 1: I'd give that guy an hour.
Speaker 11: I can sit there and listen to the Rock cut
Speaker 11: promos for a pretty dawn long time, I'll tell you that.
Speaker 1: And I was watching the promo and you know Seth,
Speaker 1: Seth had to get something out. And in his defense,
Speaker 1: I'm sure he did not come up with his on
Speaker 1: his own, and I'll bet you anything that it was
Speaker 1: probably Brian Gorgson the Rock that came up with it.
Speaker 1: But Seth has to go out there and this is
Speaker 1: on him in the dumbest looking outfit. Wo He looked
Speaker 1: like a banana that got dipped in nuclear waste. And
Speaker 1: he goes out there and on top of looking like
Speaker 1: an idiot, he has to drop the line diarrhea. Dwayne.
Speaker 1: I thought, my god, my god, you have given Rock
Speaker 1: so much material in this twenty two minutes and it's
Speaker 1: not material that's like gonna get you over. Brother, you
Speaker 1: look like a fool talking about diarrhea, Dwayne as a
Speaker 1: grown man in your thirties, and man, Rock is gonna
Speaker 1: obliterate this guy.
Speaker 3: Him sort of, you know, some sort of plan that
Speaker 3: they're you know, setting up on Seth rollins there. I mean,
Speaker 3: isn't it on the wrestler at some point to go look.
Speaker 1: The guys on the board. It's no Rock, No, he's
Speaker 1: not saying that.
Speaker 3: Situation.
Speaker 1: When he asked Lance, he's been there, Lance and Seth
Speaker 1: stepping up and going, no, Dwayne, I'm not saying diarrhea Dwayne.
Speaker 3: Yeah, unless you tell me, Hey, we already have a
Speaker 3: merch roll out ready for this. Hey, guess what can
Speaker 3: I come up with? They do the diarya Dwayne? Oh God.
Speaker 3: Then again, if he dresses like that, maybe he was
Speaker 3: all for that line. I don't know, Lance, I.
Speaker 11: Would I think I would actually ask Rock has always
Speaker 11: been approachable, decent guy. I think I would ask. It's
Speaker 11: like we got something else that's really bad.
Speaker 3: This is a guy that cuts promos for a living.
Speaker 3: He's an actor for a living, dialogue for a living.
Speaker 3: You got a guy there who's in charge, and Paul
Speaker 3: Levec who made a career out of cutting promos. I
Speaker 3: think Seth Rollins at this point in the game has
Speaker 3: probably earned enough cachet to go. I don't know about
Speaker 3: diarrhea Dwayne. But then again, maybe he thought it was
Speaker 3: a hot bar. I just it was terrible. I thought, well,
Speaker 3: this is where we're at with the Rock again, with
Speaker 3: childish insults. I mean, that's what he does.
Speaker 11: And it's possible that Seth did say are you kidding me?
Speaker 11: This is the line? And maybe an people insisted and
Speaker 11: Seth's the team player and took the bullet.
Speaker 1: Where's Where's the rocks? Merch Roman reins? Doesn't rock start
Speaker 1: with an R? AM? I wrong here? Or is it
Speaker 1: start with a T? Ro God damn, look at us?
Speaker 1: Start with a D or a T the rock? You
Speaker 1: have to search my tea alphabet. Yeah not, there's no uh,
Speaker 1: there's not currently a diarrhea Dwayne shirt. But by the
Speaker 1: end of the day, are they.
Speaker 3: Still upset by the way that you never got your
Speaker 3: a hole's shirt from breaks?
Speaker 1: I'm actually surprised that we never got that.
Speaker 3: But whatever you knew they were going wolf dogs, you
Speaker 3: just wanted it to be the other way.
Speaker 1: So a couple of notes from raw. Full report was
Speaker 1: on Observer Live for subscribers at Wrestling observer dot com
Speaker 1: last night, or you can go to wrestling observer dot com.
Speaker 1: My full full raw report is up there in text
Speaker 1: form for all of you. I'm but one of my
Speaker 1: favorite things on the show was Gunther and Dirty Dom.
Speaker 1: Love that match. It was a combination of, well, I
Speaker 1: probably should put the guy over, but I saw stuff
Speaker 1: like this in the nineties, I'll just put it that way,
Speaker 1: and Gunther absolutely completely destroyed this guy played total babyface
Speaker 1: in this match, and finally he gave Dom this power bomb,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, and then put him in a half
Speaker 1: crab and submitted him. Got an enormous pop when Gunther won.
Speaker 1: I loved this match. And then later they announced that
Speaker 1: they're going to do a gauntlet next week, which is
Speaker 1: going to be a six person gauntlet Sammy Zain, Ricochet, Shinske, Nakamura, Bronson, Reid,
Speaker 1: Jad McDonough, and Chad Gable. Let me read those names again.
Speaker 1: Sammy Zay, Ricochet, Shinsk, Nakamura, Bronson, Red, Jad McDonough and
Speaker 1: Chad Gable in a gauntlet match, which means it's probably
Speaker 1: going close to an hour and it's probably gonna be awesome.
Speaker 1: The winner faces Gunther at WrestleMania, and I think of
Speaker 1: all of the names, there are two favorites. Okay, one
Speaker 1: of them is Chad Gable, And I'm only saying he's
Speaker 1: a favorite because for the last two weeks they have
Speaker 1: done a catchphrase whenever he's talked about wanting to face Gunther,
Speaker 1: and he talked about it last week, he talked about
Speaker 1: it this week. It just means more this is not
Speaker 1: just for the belt for me. He says it's for
Speaker 1: my family. I want to wipe that smile off Gunther's
Speaker 1: face and give it to my daughter. It just means more, okay.
Speaker 1: And then obviously the other one is Sammy. Because Sammy
Speaker 1: has been talking for weeks. He has no path to Mania.
Speaker 1: He knows he can be a winner, he knows he
Speaker 1: can be a champion, and he needs it to prove
Speaker 1: to the people that they didn't get behind him for nothing.
Speaker 1: And I think the most obvious possibility here, given that
Speaker 1: the raw the week after WrestleMania is in Montreal, I
Speaker 1: would say the favorite is Sammy's ayin to win the
Speaker 1: Gauntlet and the title. I don't think it's impossible that
Speaker 1: it would be a three way with Chad Gable, but
Speaker 1: I think Sammy's in the match and I think he's
Speaker 1: winning the title. It's my prediction.
Speaker 11: I get a heck of a reaction in Montreal, that's
Speaker 11: for sure.
Speaker 1: You don't yea say really sure?
Speaker 3: And hey have it have him go through and face
Speaker 3: Chad Gable at the end and have him still Okay,
Speaker 3: we have Chad Gable in there with Sammy, he still
Speaker 3: has to go another twenty minutes with Chad Gable. We
Speaker 3: get a great wrestling match out of it, and during
Speaker 3: this process, Bronson Reid maybe slips on a banana peel.
Speaker 3: There's something that happens where because you gotta beat a
Speaker 3: giant on the way to WrestleMania, and usually this is
Speaker 3: the for the title picture. But I wouldn't mind seeing
Speaker 3: Sammy's Ain against Bronson Reid in a one on one
Speaker 3: match that leads into his match at WrestleMania, or is
Speaker 3: a feud relatively quickly after him getting out of WrestleMania.
Speaker 3: I kind of like that combination together, and I think
Speaker 3: it would be a great use of Bronson Reid and
Speaker 3: if he is going to be a guy that they
Speaker 3: can rely on and get over and move up the card.
Speaker 3: Sammy's Ain is a perfect person I think for him
Speaker 3: to be in the mix with.
Speaker 1: Well, then we add Nia and Becky God now here.
Speaker 11: You're not a fan of Naya Jacks.
Speaker 1: Brad, Dude, I'm telling you, I don't know what's happened. Besides,
Speaker 1: I guess it's kind of always been like this, but
Speaker 1: she was so bad in this match. It was just
Speaker 1: like Australia. The issue, the biggest issue with Nya is
Speaker 1: her selling absolutely sucks. Okay, her offense is fine now,
Speaker 1: granted some of it. I think she's killing people. Like
Speaker 1: she was supposed to do the Samoan drop where you
Speaker 1: just back up into the ring post, but like she's
Speaker 1: not even looking and she goes backwards and let's go Becky,
Speaker 1: and Becky's nowhere near the post. She doesn't come near
Speaker 1: the post and just falls off her back and smashes
Speaker 1: on the ground. And then the big one is Becky
Speaker 1: tried a middle rope drop kick and Nya literally didn't
Speaker 1: sell it at all, but she was supposed to and
Speaker 1: she bumped backwards through the ropes afterwards, and even the
Speaker 1: announcers were like, I don't think Becky hit it, but
Speaker 1: she did it anyway. Back in the moth with more
Speaker 1: Observe Alive.
Speaker 2: You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike Simperviv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: Well, we've reached the end of the program. Everybody but Lance.
Speaker 1: Lance would like to talk to you all about TNA. Yes,
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Speaker 11: And Vinnie likes it.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine, everybody, if you been a long term subscriber.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine in twenty ten? In twenty ten, somebody
Speaker 1: on the Prediction Show would say, I'm not even predicting
Speaker 1: this year. I'm going to predict twenty twenty four. In
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, TNA will still be around and Vinnie
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