1
00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,480
Speaker 1: No, I'm not going to actually help you. That's not

2
00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:08,039
Speaker 1: why I'm here. It's one more thing. I'm one more thing.

3
00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:14,360
Speaker 1: I'm liking the sound of this. I Joe Getty, bitter

4
00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:18,119
Speaker 1: middle aged man, frequently rail about Everything's got to have

5
00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:19,840
Speaker 1: a clever name these days.

6
00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:25,240
Speaker 2: Right. On the other hand, I came across the next concept.

7
00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:29,240
Speaker 2: I believe you're doing a staycation right exactly. Yeah, that

8
00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,280
Speaker 2: sort of thing. I wish I had a list of

9
00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:34,479
Speaker 2: those annoying, annoying terms in front of me that they

10
00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,080
Speaker 2: come up every day. I'd never run into the concept

11
00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:43,280
Speaker 2: of a personality higher before the Wall Street Journal was

12
00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:44,120
Speaker 2: writing about this.

13
00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,680
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard this term, katie just out of curiosity? No,

14
00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,320
Speaker 1: as you are, I have not, younger and hipper. So

15
00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:54,800
Speaker 1: as the journal describes it, if you get further on

16
00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,720
Speaker 1: charm than skill, and you carry a workload light enough

17
00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,280
Speaker 1: to float atop your bubble lead demeanor, then you might

18
00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:08,959
Speaker 1: be a personality hire. And this has actually become a thing. Charismatic, friendly,

19
00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,960
Speaker 1: likable employees who might not be that great at their

20
00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,080
Speaker 1: job or even work that hard, but employers are so

21
00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:21,160
Speaker 1: desperate for any sort of joy and camaraderie in the workplace.

22
00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,120
Speaker 1: They're hiring these people, they call them personality hires.

23
00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:31,000
Speaker 2: Wow, so that's how I got hired exactly mimiter personality

24
00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:35,880
Speaker 2: Me too, Michael. So I'm thinking of somebody right now.

25
00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,960
Speaker 2: I won't say their name. They're out there in the newsroom.

26
00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,640
Speaker 2: I could see hiring them because of their personality, because

27
00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,160
Speaker 2: they just make the whole room better. Everybody's happier when

28
00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:49,960
Speaker 2: they're around. I can tell just because of their personality. Well,

29
00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,680
Speaker 2: here are a couple of facts. In this case, they're

30
00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:55,720
Speaker 2: also competent, but I would I would like I would

31
00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:57,600
Speaker 2: have hired this person if they were not quite as

32
00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,840
Speaker 2: competent as person X, just because their personality the kind

33
00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,880
Speaker 2: of place that's gonna make the place more lively and happy.

34
00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,040
Speaker 1: Sure. Yeah, well here they quote. They start off the

35
00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,160
Speaker 1: article quoting this one gal who's definitely not a personality higher.

36
00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,800
Speaker 1: She's a very matter of fact person, just gets crapped done.

37
00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,480
Speaker 1: But she says, oh, some people actually proudly advertise themselves

38
00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,239
Speaker 1: as personal personality hires on LinkedIn. By the way. Interesting,

39
00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,440
Speaker 1: So they quote this gal who's not that and finds

40
00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,160
Speaker 1: it very annoying and described.

41
00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:35,120
Speaker 2: Now you're like me, kind we kinda bitterly are resentful

42
00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,960
Speaker 2: against people who are like that because we're not and

43
00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,200
Speaker 2: they're advertising it. Though that's what I'm like.

44
00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,400
Speaker 3: I wouldn't want to advertise, Hey, I'm not very good

45
00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,160
Speaker 3: at my job, but I'm funny.

46
00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,040
Speaker 1: Oh you leave that first part unsad, right, But she

47
00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:52,200
Speaker 1: cites she worked with a personal personality hire in a

48
00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,359
Speaker 1: previous job. Though fun to be around, the person eventually

49
00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,480
Speaker 1: generated resentment, didn't really pull her load, and after winning

50
00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:02,160
Speaker 1: a promotion, prompted several coworkers to quit. There's just too much.

51
00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,640
Speaker 2: Well I would I I would think if they're not

52
00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:06,560
Speaker 2: good at their job, that's not enough to overcome it.

53
00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,160
Speaker 2: But I'd never thought about this before. I could see

54
00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,799
Speaker 2: hiring somebody, you know, if you're going to weigh them

55
00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:15,960
Speaker 2: on a bunch of different things. Man lump in the

56
00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:20,520
Speaker 2: hole brings the room up as opposed to down, So

57
00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,040
Speaker 2: bosses want the warm and fuzzies is The mood at

58
00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:24,320
Speaker 2: work is generally sour.

59
00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,400
Speaker 1: One third of US employees say they're engaged in their jobs,

60
00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,320
Speaker 1: only a third near an all time low. Half of

61
00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,280
Speaker 1: workers say they feel a lot of stress, half are

62
00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,920
Speaker 1: interested in new jobs are actively applying With so many lonely,

63
00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:40,200
Speaker 1: unhappy charges. Bosses are desperate for good workplace energy. They

64
00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,800
Speaker 1: say camaraderie is hard to build on hybrid schedules, so

65
00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:47,320
Speaker 1: they prize upbeat employees whose energy is hopefully infectious. Then

66
00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,600
Speaker 1: they quote a bunch of people and recruiters from various

67
00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,160
Speaker 1: industries and saying, yeah, we really, we really need more people.

68
00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,840
Speaker 2: Oh, it's clearly true. I haven't had a job I

69
00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:57,760
Speaker 2: don't like in a long long time. But when I

70
00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,560
Speaker 2: worked jobs that I didn't like, oh, there were certain

71
00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,120
Speaker 2: people that made it bearable, and when they weren't there,

72
00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:05,640
Speaker 2: it was awful.

73
00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:08,800
Speaker 1: Right or if they quit everybody who's like, I can't

74
00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:10,040
Speaker 1: do this, right.

75
00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,560
Speaker 3: I wonder if they're hiring these people to make it

76
00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,840
Speaker 3: more appealing to come back into the office too, like

77
00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,200
Speaker 3: after COVID, that's.

78
00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:21,039
Speaker 1: Got to be a fact or sure, yeah, so but anyway,

79
00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:25,760
Speaker 1: this there's this comedian gal who has done a couple

80
00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,479
Speaker 1: of bits about being a personality higher that I think

81
00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,080
Speaker 1: are brilliant and illustrating what it is all about. Her

82
00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:38,920
Speaker 1: name is Vienna Aila and it's clip fifteen. Michael, my guy, La,

83
00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,159
Speaker 1: you look gorgeous. How are you?

84
00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:43,159
Speaker 3: I'm very stressed out.

85
00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:44,839
Speaker 2: We have the big presentation today.

86
00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,200
Speaker 3: And Hi, thank Dereline and I have worked on this

87
00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:49,280
Speaker 3: project NonStop.

88
00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:50,320
Speaker 2: I mean like it's our baby.

89
00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:51,480
Speaker 1: Been up all night about it.

90
00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, shoot, what's the project about today? I have no idea?

91
00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:57,640
Speaker 1: Do you guys think we need to get an extension? Yeah?

92
00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,000
Speaker 1: We can't call Greg. He's so scared.

93
00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:01,320
Speaker 2: So Greg is our CEO.

94
00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:03,560
Speaker 1: I'll call Greg, of.

95
00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:04,880
Speaker 2: Course, are you sure y? Yeah?

96
00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, let's call Greg. Greg is so terrifying. Greggy,

97
00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,599
Speaker 1: Hey you where are you? How are your kids?

98
00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:12,880
Speaker 2: I didn't know that.

99
00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:18,040
Speaker 1: Starts doing school production. Annie love, she's playing Annie.

100
00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,240
Speaker 2: Oh Greg, that's so amazing. Hold on one, said Greg

101
00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,039
Speaker 2: when I asked me presentation.

102
00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:25,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, Greg, you know I've been sen here and talking

103
00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:26,560
Speaker 1: Annie with you all day.

104
00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,159
Speaker 2: But Greg, I have to ask you something.

105
00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,719
Speaker 1: We're gonna need a couple of days, Greg, take a week.

106
00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:33,400
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's such a place.

107
00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,880
Speaker 2: Next week I want to come to Annie, back to

108
00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:36,840
Speaker 2: the important stuff.

109
00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:37,920
Speaker 3: Where are you?

110
00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,160
Speaker 1: I'll come me through right now. Let's freaking eat a

111
00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:42,719
Speaker 1: free ocean talk Annie.

112
00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:42,839
Speaker 3: My guy.

113
00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:47,159
Speaker 2: I'll be right back. Thank you, Thank you, Greg. I'm

114
00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:47,680
Speaker 2: coming to you.

115
00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:52,520
Speaker 1: And then there's another bit where they have the permit

116
00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,359
Speaker 1: revoked for an event at the last minute, and they're like,

117
00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,960
Speaker 1: oh my god, the only way we could deal with

118
00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,479
Speaker 1: this is to like have the mayor on our side.

119
00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:02,920
Speaker 1: She says, the mayor. The mayor's in my ass in

120
00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,480
Speaker 1: EBS class. I'll call her right now. She comes, Hello, girl,

121
00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,080
Speaker 1: what's going on? Oh my god, you don't need that class.

122
00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,680
Speaker 1: Your ass is amazing anyway, and she gets the permit reinstated.

123
00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,040
Speaker 2: The ass she's just.

124
00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,920
Speaker 1: A schmoozer and a networker and that sort of super

125
00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,920
Speaker 1: uppy person doesn't but and it's harder to tell without

126
00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,479
Speaker 1: the visuals in that first video, but she doesn't know

127
00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,800
Speaker 1: anything about the project. Then she gets the on the

128
00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,279
Speaker 1: call with Greggy and says, what am I asking for

129
00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:36,200
Speaker 1: again to our coworkers? An extension? Oh right, right, she

130
00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,280
Speaker 1: goes into that. So it's a parody obviously, But that's

131
00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:40,119
Speaker 1: what we're talking about.

132
00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,159
Speaker 2: I've never I don't think enough attention is paid to

133
00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,320
Speaker 2: like chemistry in a group of people for work. I don't.

134
00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,360
Speaker 2: I don't think most bosses ever even think about it.

135
00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:53,359
Speaker 2: They should. And now in the modern world of boy that,

136
00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,839
Speaker 2: like they said, the hybrid working in zoom, I'm not

137
00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:01,200
Speaker 2: sure any of that translates to zoom, yeah, yeah.

138
00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:02,919
Speaker 1: You know. I meant to talk about this on the show.

139
00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,120
Speaker 1: Maybe I will. But I was talking to my son,

140
00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,920
Speaker 1: who's just about to turn thirty, and he was talking

141
00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:16,680
Speaker 1: about and he's been a performer of various sorts for

142
00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,400
Speaker 1: a very long time. He's a musician and a gifted

143
00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:24,200
Speaker 1: actor who decided not to act. That's fine, but he said,

144
00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,240
Speaker 1: coming out of COVID, the very thought of performing just

145
00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:34,800
Speaker 1: seemed enormous and terrifying and overwhelming. Just so, and it's

146
00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:39,000
Speaker 1: worth mentioning he lived. He lives in Oregon, which is

147
00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,840
Speaker 1: so cultish in its or was in its adherence to

148
00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,840
Speaker 1: every COVID policy, and as a show of hating Trump,

149
00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,760
Speaker 1: they wouldn't let their children play with other children for

150
00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,920
Speaker 1: a year and a half. And it's just devastating to

151
00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,000
Speaker 1: so many people of so many ages, even people in

152
00:07:54,040 --> 00:08:00,480
Speaker 1: their twenties. It's horrible anyway, speaking of people who have

153
00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:04,360
Speaker 1: difficulty communicating and communing and looking people in the eye

154
00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:08,480
Speaker 1: and the rest of it, Man COVIDU Deco declan. My

155
00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,720
Speaker 1: son said to me, he said, I know a lot

156
00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,920
Speaker 1: of people who are really damaged by it, and they're

157
00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,560
Speaker 1: not healing very quickly.

158
00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,640
Speaker 3: Was it was it just the act of having to

159
00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,160
Speaker 3: go out and perform again, or was were there people

160
00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,000
Speaker 3: that weren't going to the shows?

161
00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,360
Speaker 1: What made it so much more difficult post COVID, Well,

162
00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,720
Speaker 1: because everything was so locked down. You just you had

163
00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,319
Speaker 1: like your roommate and you would interact with maybe somebody

164
00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,680
Speaker 1: at work if you were allowed to work a little bit.

165
00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,880
Speaker 1: It was like living in solitary confinement in a prison.

166
00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:39,960
Speaker 1: Obviously not that bad, but I know a.

167
00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,880
Speaker 2: Couple of people who talk about that dark period where

168
00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:47,000
Speaker 2: they they didn't have any communication and they would uh,

169
00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:51,480
Speaker 2: you know, struggle to have any opportunity just to like

170
00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,320
Speaker 2: wave to another car far away, like all right, I

171
00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,680
Speaker 2: didn't live that way, so I.

172
00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,000
Speaker 1: Guarantee they lived in a blue state. There's a prominent

173
00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,520
Speaker 1: musician who thinks a wonderful songwriter, but he tweeted at

174
00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,679
Speaker 1: one point that he felt bad for his kids because

175
00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,199
Speaker 1: his kids hadn't had a plate aid or hugged another

176
00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,600
Speaker 1: child or whatever for a year. And I wanted to

177
00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,040
Speaker 1: fly to Portlandia where he resides, and punch him in

178
00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,840
Speaker 1: the stomach and just to wake him up and say

179
00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:25,360
Speaker 1: what are you doing? And all the dad about children

180
00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,839
Speaker 1: and being fine was out there, all of it, but

181
00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,640
Speaker 1: you had to virtue signal how much you despise Trump

182
00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:36,080
Speaker 1: by torturing yourself and your loved ones. And Declann lived

183
00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:40,319
Speaker 1: in the midst of that, and anyway, sorry to get

184
00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:41,280
Speaker 1: started on that stuff.

185
00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,160
Speaker 3: No, it's a reality a lot of people are dealing

186
00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,720
Speaker 3: with still, and that's why his.

187
00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:50,280
Speaker 1: Company needs a personality hire to just things up a

188
00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:55,880
Speaker 1: little bit full circle. Well, I guess that's it.