WEBVTT - Golf President Campaigns and Coul Links

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<v Speaker 1>I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. When

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<v Speaker 1>I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I find my ball.

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<v Speaker 2>In a brid egg Friday egg, the dreaded Friday Friday,

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<v Speaker 2>Frida fridagg bride egg Lie, I'm about ready to run

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<v Speaker 2>off of.

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<v Speaker 1>The Welcome back to another edition of the Friday Golf Podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I am your host, Andy Johnson, and I am joined

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<v Speaker 1>by fellow co hosts Garrett Morrison and Joseph Lavania. This

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<v Speaker 1>is gonna be a fun episode. We're uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're in the election spirit here. We did a podcast

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<v Speaker 1>about a serious podcast about what the election might mean

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<v Speaker 1>for pro golf last week. This week, we're gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more uh silly front end here. We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be each running for president of Golf, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna we've got five campaign topics that we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about. Garrett, uh, Joseph and myself. I guess we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna we could come up with our party titles. We

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<v Speaker 1>can see who's been influenced by big equipment, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>based off their campaign uh campaign uh uh preferences and

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<v Speaker 1>and and sides they choose here. But we're gonna run

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<v Speaker 1>for for President of Golf. You guys can be the

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<v Speaker 1>judge of who wins this debate, and we've come up

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<v Speaker 1>with a couple of topics and then we will kick

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<v Speaker 1>it over to an interview I did with Rue McDonald,

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<v Speaker 1>who is with the DP World Tour, used to host

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<v Speaker 1>a a a podcast about Scottish Scottish golf, who came

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<v Speaker 1>on to talk about the critical juncture in the Cool

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<v Speaker 1>Links story, which is a potential golf development just north

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<v Speaker 1>of Royal Dorniic in Scotland, which has some important moments

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<v Speaker 1>in its potential development coming up. So we will kick

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<v Speaker 1>it over to that on the back end of this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>But welcome on Joseph and Garrett. I am. I'm extremely

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<v Speaker 1>excited to share this debate platform with you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, my question is if we become president, will there

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<v Speaker 2>be any checks and balances on us? No, no checks

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<v Speaker 2>and balances. So we're really running for king King of Golf, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>King of golf. No no democratic system here.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it all depends on who you get in bed with.

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<v Speaker 1>If you get in bed with, you know, with big

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<v Speaker 1>equipment or big agronomy, we'll see, we'll see, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>here are the things things are. You could be elected,

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<v Speaker 1>like you could run on something. You could be truly

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<v Speaker 1>political and waiver in the wind and uh you know

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<v Speaker 1>and know that you'll gardner votes if you say let's

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<v Speaker 1>let drivers go five hundred yards.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, well, I could just say a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>completely unrealistic stuff, get elected, and then just sell out

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<v Speaker 2>to the highest bidder immediately. Yes, yes, has never happened

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<v Speaker 2>in the United States. By the way, this is this

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<v Speaker 2>is completely imaginary here. Nothing of the sort would happen

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<v Speaker 2>in our country.

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<v Speaker 1>No, nothing, nothing is the all all in all this

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<v Speaker 1>could be you know, it could be a week where

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<v Speaker 1>you know, people are are stressed out about the election.

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<v Speaker 1>This is supposed to be all in fun and good

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<v Speaker 1>fun in spirits. So we have we have five topics.

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<v Speaker 1>We have men's pro golf, women's pro golf. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>throw a curveball and throw an amateur golf here. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm gonna add one, because it doesn't seem right

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<v Speaker 1>to just a drive the pro golf game, amateur golf.

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<v Speaker 1>Grow the Game initiative. You have We have tasked everybody

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<v Speaker 1>to come up with one Grow the Game initiative. Equipment

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, golf course industry. Those are the big topics.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll we'll debate and propose our our thoughts on each topic,

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<v Speaker 1>and then uh, maybe we'll have PJ to clare winter end.

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<v Speaker 2>PJ is the one voter, The one voter really has

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<v Speaker 2>all the power here.

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<v Speaker 1>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, PJ. Unlike on the Shotgun Start podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>PJ is into silent booth right now in our recording system,

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<v Speaker 2>so he can't say anything, but he gets to vote.

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<v Speaker 1>He's in full producer mode, which does not give him

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<v Speaker 1>our presidential campaigns here. All right, so let's kick it off.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's kick it off with the the first topic. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>start with men's professional golf. Jessep Leamanya, you are up first.

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<v Speaker 3>The way we're talking about this, I kind of wish

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<v Speaker 3>I may have may have taken this exercise too seriously

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<v Speaker 3>and probably should have pandered a lot more.

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<v Speaker 1>There's time time to switch. I I have nothing written down.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm speaking third on every topic.

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<v Speaker 2>We know how voting is done, we know who to

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<v Speaker 2>pand or to.

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<v Speaker 3>The ARBs have changed champions tour every verses on Long Island.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. No, my New York platform, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Save the New York Jets. Yeah, make the Yankees trade

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<v Speaker 2>Wan soda to the Mets.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna have to change some things on the fly

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<v Speaker 3>here my men's professional golf platform. Jay Monahan's getting fired.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's not the main thing I'm sticking to completely.

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<v Speaker 3>We're doing away with TiO relief. No TiO relief in

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<v Speaker 3>any if it rubs up against the concession stand. If

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<v Speaker 3>your ball goes up a concession stand, you can have

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<v Speaker 3>a one shot penalty, but otherwise it is on course setup.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no more cio relief, No more cart path relief.

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<v Speaker 3>Players are gonna have an absolute uprising. But PJ is

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<v Speaker 3>gonna love it, which is the most important contingency here.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's the only one sport right now that is

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<v Speaker 3>actively compromising the field or the court. You don't have

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<v Speaker 3>cameras getting in the way on an NBA court interrupting shots.

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<v Speaker 3>We're doing away with TiO relief completely. Let's restore some

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<v Speaker 3>consequence back to professional golf.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that one. You know I shouldn't say that

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm running against you.

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<v Speaker 1>You could take on playables, you could like you. If

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<v Speaker 1>you don't like what you the only your only options

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<v Speaker 1>to take it unplayable. And one of the options of unplayable,

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<v Speaker 1>which rarely gets used, is replaying your last shot. Actually

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<v Speaker 1>it's the.

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<v Speaker 3>Player player round organization, the PGA Tour. If they don't

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<v Speaker 3>like it, then talk to the PJ Tour setup crew

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<v Speaker 3>and move the infrastructure around.

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<v Speaker 2>But no more t I Yeah, lots of potential Tin

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<v Speaker 2>Cup situations.

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<v Speaker 1>There if we get if we if somebody reunites the

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<v Speaker 1>game and you get Patrick Reid there, he could start

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<v Speaker 1>to say that all the all the t I, all

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<v Speaker 1>the obstructions are on the left side of the golf course.

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<v Speaker 1>People are people? Are they? The players have banded together

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<v Speaker 1>against me every obstructions on the left side of the

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<v Speaker 1>golf course.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Patrick Reid does not like things on the left

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<v Speaker 2>all right. My proposal for my platform with regard to

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<v Speaker 2>men's pro golf is to a the FedEx Cup playoffs.

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<v Speaker 2>Get rid of him. We are destroying the FedEx Cup

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<v Speaker 2>playoffs and we're not looking back. We're going to focus

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<v Speaker 2>on establishing strong, distinct tournament brands. Make the Tour Championship

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<v Speaker 2>what it should be, one of the three best non

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<v Speaker 2>majors on the PGA Tour schedule. You can keep it

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<v Speaker 2>at Eastlake. Eastlake's fine, seems like it has a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of support there. But make it the Tour Championship, not

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<v Speaker 2>this weird, staggered star thing that we have right now

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<v Speaker 2>and then. And this is really appealing to Andy rather

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<v Speaker 2>than PJ, so I should probably change this. But bring

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<v Speaker 2>back the Western Open. Make it a rotation between Olympia Fields,

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<v Speaker 2>Harding Park, Chambers Bay, Cherry Hills maybe or Castle Pines

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<v Speaker 2>would probably be the most likely candidate in Denver, but Chicago,

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<v Speaker 2>San Francisco, Seattle, Denver or three great cities that are

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<v Speaker 2>underserved by PGA Tour golf. Right now, that is the

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<v Speaker 2>good MW Western Open. You can keep the sponsor. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you could have some nice BMW ads with with golfers

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<v Speaker 2>driving across the desert or the great planes or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>to get wherever they're going. It seems like an obvious

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<v Speaker 2>sort of partnership between a brand and a concept for

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<v Speaker 2>a tournament. That's my proposal. Focus on creating great tournaments

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<v Speaker 2>on the PGA Tour schedule. Abandon these notions that you're

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<v Speaker 2>ever going to generate an enthusiasm about a season long

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<v Speaker 2>race on the PGA too. I just don't think it's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna happen. This is not f one. So make those

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<v Speaker 2>tournaments great. What's valuable in golf is an awesome tournament,

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<v Speaker 2>like the Masters or the US Open or the Open.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what we should be focusing on.

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<v Speaker 1>I like the idea of incentivizing each individual tournament to

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<v Speaker 1>be great on itself, Like the idea of oh, nobody's

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<v Speaker 1>coming to our event. Well, maybe your event sucks, that's

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<v Speaker 1>why nobody's coming.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not like that came from nowhere, because it's an

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<v Speaker 2>awesome tournament at an awesome course.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like, oh, players aren't coming. That's not the

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<v Speaker 1>PGA Tour's fault, that's your fault. If you put the

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<v Speaker 1>onus back on that, like you would get fresh ideas,

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<v Speaker 1>you would get events doing creative stuff to to entice

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<v Speaker 1>players to come, you might get new formats, you might

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like there's a way, but you know the

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<v Speaker 1>way the PGA Tour is going. What I like about

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<v Speaker 1>this both both of the discussed options seem to be

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<v Speaker 1>the opposite of the way that the tour is running.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they're trying to get every tournament run by

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<v Speaker 1>championship management, which is basically the death to any soul

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<v Speaker 1>of an event. If you want to if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to kill the soul of an event, turn it over

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<v Speaker 1>to championship management. Is abolished champions So one thought. One thought,

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<v Speaker 1>I was, I was there was. There's a large contingent

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<v Speaker 1>of people, a big collect cohort of of of funding

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<v Speaker 1>sources that was trying to say it was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>convince me to just say just end ment pro golf,

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<v Speaker 1>just end it. But I I said, artists, I said

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<v Speaker 1>no to that money. Instead, I am I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>run on the platform of everybody's saying, make pro golf smaller,

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<v Speaker 1>make it a you know, like, make the the top

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<v Speaker 1>end of the tour really small. I'm gonna say, just

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<v Speaker 1>make it really big. Have a thousand have a thousand

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<v Speaker 1>person tour. Just put the the European Tour, the PG

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<v Speaker 1>eight Tour, Live Golf, Cornfieur, the Challenge Tour, and PGA

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<v Speaker 1>Tour Americas all it. Call it the same tour, but

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<v Speaker 1>have different levels and exempt statuses that you cycle up

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<v Speaker 1>and down. You play for the same points, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>one giant tour that feeds up and down constantly. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no relegation event. There's relegation events. Every single week. You're

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<v Speaker 1>either up, you're either down. If you fall out of

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<v Speaker 1>the top fifty, you're out. You know, Oh we're playing

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<v Speaker 1>a tournament in November. If I'm forty fifth, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>get an off season. I gotta go play. I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>go grind to keep my status up high. And I think, like, actually,

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<v Speaker 1>like everybody's like, Ben, this was just a thought this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody's been talking about making pro golf smaller. And when

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<v Speaker 1>you think about the idea of pro golf like and

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<v Speaker 1>you think about it, it makes sense off the off,

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<v Speaker 1>the b off the bat. Yeah, we need a smaller tour.

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<v Speaker 1>But in reality, most things in golf are completely the

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<v Speaker 1>opposite of what you think. You know, if you're if

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<v Speaker 1>you're hitting the ball right, you know, if you're hitting

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<v Speaker 1>a slice, you swing right. You don't swing left like

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<v Speaker 1>naturally you think, oh I need a swing left. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>everything in golf is actually the opposite of what you

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<v Speaker 1>your natural instinct is to think. So my my platform

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be make a giant tour and have

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<v Speaker 1>just playing up and playing down all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Would that be the theme of your administration? Just do

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<v Speaker 2>the opposite of whether whatever the common sense approach would be.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there is like with golf, there is a

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<v Speaker 1>strong if you did the opposite of what the general

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<v Speaker 1>public thinks you should do with golf, you would generally

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<v Speaker 1>be on the right side of history.

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<v Speaker 3>Andy, have you run this idea of one giant tour

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<v Speaker 3>by the Department of Justice?

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<v Speaker 4>I have not.

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<v Speaker 2>I have not well which department of Justice?

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<v Speaker 1>True? True? If I'm if I'm the king, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to worry about this, right apartment.

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<v Speaker 2>You're you're dismantling the Department of Justice. You're you're staffing

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<v Speaker 2>it with uh with cronies. Yeah yeah, yeah, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>Andy's Project twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's move on. I'm an I'm gonna pause on the

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<v Speaker 1>whitmen's golf. I'm gonna throw a wrench. I'm a I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a misdirect going different order, Garrett, what's your grow the

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<v Speaker 1>Game initiative?

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<v Speaker 2>My Grow the Game initiative is to establish a registry

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<v Speaker 2>of public courses that are historically and or architecturally important

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<v Speaker 2>and create grants for restoration projects at these courses. Do

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<v Speaker 2>I know where the money's coming from. No, But since

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the king, I can just kind of appropriate a

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<v Speaker 2>certain portion of the of the tax funds that come

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<v Speaker 2>in and and that'll that'll be that.

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<v Speaker 1>But you could tax pro golfers, That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>They love being taxed. So create these grants for restoration projects.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe establish a panel or something like that of independent

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<v Speaker 2>history and architecture experts who could determine which courses qualify

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<v Speaker 2>for these grants, but provide these courses some money to

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<v Speaker 2>do legitimate restoration work. And I believe that that would

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<v Speaker 2>help grow the game. I don't know it would make

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<v Speaker 2>the game better. I don't really like growing the idea

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<v Speaker 2>of growing the game, because usually when people say that,

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<v Speaker 2>they just mean I want more money from the game.

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<v Speaker 2>But I believe this would be good for the game

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<v Speaker 2>in the sense that one thing we need right now

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<v Speaker 2>is a greater supply of golf courses. And one place

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<v Speaker 2>where we can find that is struggling historic courses in

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<v Speaker 2>urban centers. Right now, those courses are closing down rather

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<v Speaker 2>than you know, getting to the next level because it's

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<v Speaker 2>so hard to make the finances work. But the demand

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<v Speaker 2>is there right now for golf. We need, if anything,

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<v Speaker 2>more golf courses. Right now, we are under supplied with

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<v Speaker 2>public golf courses. The public golf courses that we have,

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<v Speaker 2>especially in urban areas, are booked up to the gills.

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<v Speaker 2>People can't find tea times, and so we need to

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<v Speaker 2>preserve the great golf courses that we have in city centers,

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<v Speaker 2>historic golf courses that have been there for a long

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<v Speaker 2>time but just need a little bit of TLC. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's what this registry and grant system would do.

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<v Speaker 1>It's almost like farmer subsidies.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, yeah, grow some corn, you know, grow some

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<v Speaker 2>good architecture.

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<v Speaker 1>We know, we know it's not you could make more money,

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<v Speaker 1>growing something else but gross corn.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. We need corn, We need architecture.

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<v Speaker 1>We know you could sell your golf course to private equity,

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<v Speaker 1>turn it pop private.

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<v Speaker 2>Or turn it into a mixed use residential development. Not

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<v Speaker 2>to make this too serious right now, but I just

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<v Speaker 2>heard recently that a great old course in the Philadelphia area.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe JC Melrose you know about this place.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Maxwell, the Maxwell Course, it's closing down. I saw

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<v Speaker 1>that it's done.

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<v Speaker 2>It's being redeveloped. And the fact that that is happening

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<v Speaker 2>right now when there's so much demand for golf is

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<v Speaker 2>a problem, and it's something that we need to address

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<v Speaker 2>urgently or else the game is gonna wither on the vine.

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<v Speaker 2>We need a supply of golf courses, and we need

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<v Speaker 2>a financial system that allows those golf courses to exist

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<v Speaker 2>and be affordable and be affordable and be good.

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph, what's your Growth the Game initiative? Not too dissimilar, Garrett.

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<v Speaker 1>I like your idea.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to reimagine the way that public golf courses

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<v Speaker 3>are booked. It's a problem specifically in Austin where I live,

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<v Speaker 3>but I think it's a problem, huge problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, about this about LA specifically recently put together

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<v Speaker 2>by Kevin Van Wolkenberg.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so, like you're saying, Garrett, there is high demand

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<v Speaker 3>right now and often not enough supply at certain golf courses.

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<v Speaker 3>Like the way it works in Austin, people have to

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<v Speaker 3>line up at certain hours to get a tea time,

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<v Speaker 3>which really only allows certain people, like a lot of retirees,

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<v Speaker 3>to get those tea times. I think there should be

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<v Speaker 3>a solution where people who want to play golf have

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<v Speaker 3>some level of access. It might not be like a

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<v Speaker 3>perfect priority order where everyone's getting an equal booking time,

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<v Speaker 3>but I think that we could do a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>We can make some strides on getting people who are

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<v Speaker 3>interested in playing golf out onto the golf course. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>interested in looking at dynamic pricing. I think it's sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>crazy how tea times that are sixty dollars all the

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<v Speaker 3>time go on un used, and then nobody's using them

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<v Speaker 3>when they could pay I don't know, twenty four twenty

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<v Speaker 3>eight dollars. I know that there's some pushback on dynamic pricing,

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<v Speaker 3>but I want to explore it. I'm going to take solutions.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to solicit solutions from the smartest minds. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't have a full plan to lay out here, but

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<v Speaker 3>I want to completely reimagine the way that public golf

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<v Speaker 3>is booked in this country and potentially in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>If this solution works, we'll take it worldwide.

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<v Speaker 4>I like this.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we're Joseph is proposing some some capitalist ideas,

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<v Speaker 1>some you know, free market speech from Joseph here for

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<v Speaker 1>public golf.

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<v Speaker 2>And then saying that he's going to spread it worldwide.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't heard this love the idea of spreading democracy worldwide.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not talking about democracy. We should pursue this and

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<v Speaker 2>if we don't accept it, then we should go to

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<v Speaker 2>war with them.

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<v Speaker 1>This is this is being misconstrued.

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<v Speaker 3>I just didn't want to leave out all of our

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<v Speaker 3>friends across the globe who get mad when we're too

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<v Speaker 3>American centric.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to offer the solution. I'm a Garrett Garrett's

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<v Speaker 1>Garrett's talking about subsidies.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. I'm all about government. Yeah, I'm just I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>grow the government so much. I'm not growing the game.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm growing the government, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>I uh, I guess what I want to propose for

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<v Speaker 1>grow the game. I think kids clubs should be free.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the thing kids clubs are good for like a year.

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<v Speaker 1>Your kid grows all the time. So you go into

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<v Speaker 1>the golf shop, you sign out a set, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you bring it back a year later and you get

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<v Speaker 1>the new set. There's no reason that people should have

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<v Speaker 1>to pay to get these golf clubs, like you should.

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<v Speaker 1>So it should be free because like you, by the

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<v Speaker 1>time you buy them and you out, you outgrow them

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<v Speaker 1>in like a year or two. So make these golf

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<v Speaker 1>sets like you go in, you sign out. If you

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<v Speaker 1>don't bring it back, you don't get the next size up.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, sure, Like is this gonna cost a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of money, absolutely, but this is a way to

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<v Speaker 1>actually get golf clubs in people's hands. Like have you

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<v Speaker 1>have you tried has your kid tried golf? Oh no,

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<v Speaker 1>I heard its super expensive. Well, actually, kids get freak

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<v Speaker 1>clubs if they go and they you can go pick

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<v Speaker 1>them up here. Like there's nothing special about kids clothes.

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<v Speaker 1>You go, kids clubs. You don't need like big time

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<v Speaker 1>teching them. You don't need anything like that. And the

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<v Speaker 1>thing about it is like there's great programs like Youth

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<v Speaker 1>on Course that offer affordable golf for kids. Why don't

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<v Speaker 1>we make the golf clubs really affordable and easy to

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<v Speaker 1>use too. This is like one of the great virtues

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<v Speaker 1>of basketball is that literally the only thing you need

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<v Speaker 1>to play basketball is a basketball. Yep, and there are

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<v Speaker 1>hoops all over the play soccer. The most popular games,

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<v Speaker 1>uh in terms of participation generally are the easiest ones

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<v Speaker 1>to play. So let's remove some of the barriers for

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<v Speaker 1>kids playing sports. Let's give them free golf clubs.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that you know your daughter's not old enough

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<v Speaker 2>right now, I think to have golf clubs yet maybe

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<v Speaker 2>you're already starting her right that.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't back always Yeah, okay, we haven't used them.

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<v Speaker 2>My kids are. My kids are are seven and ten,

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<v Speaker 2>and so they both have sets of golf clubs, and

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<v Speaker 2>it has been expensive to keep them in golf clubs

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<v Speaker 2>that actually fit them because, as you say, they grow quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>And also when you buy them a set of golf clubs,

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<v Speaker 2>you're thinking, well, I got to get it too big

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<v Speaker 2>for them right now, because they need to grow into

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<v Speaker 2>it like a pair of shoes. And that's a problem too,

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<v Speaker 2>because for six months or whatever, they're using golf clubs

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<v Speaker 2>that are kind of way too, way too big for them.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do like how we're working the deficit here.

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<v Speaker 2>We are really milking that. We're just living on the

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<v Speaker 2>edge of that huge deficit and just you know, living there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we're going to get We're going to get there

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<v Speaker 1>by taxing the pro golfers.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the real solution here is make the USGA do it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's the Uh, that's the real.

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<v Speaker 1>Podcast is a sponsored by the u s g A.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's move out to the next topic. We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go with equipment.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're all gonna have the same proposal here.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't know. I might waiver in the wind.

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<v Speaker 1>This is where I might be appealing to.

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<v Speaker 2>You, might take some of that cushion of money, sweet,

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<v Speaker 2>sweet exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you want to know how you could pay for

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<v Speaker 1>the free golf clubs? You know you buddy up with

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<v Speaker 1>the kusht.

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<v Speaker 2>Pack a cushion it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, Uh, we'll start with you, Joseph on

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<v Speaker 1>this topic.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm I'm just realizing, as you suggested free kids clubs,

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<v Speaker 3>I thought way too inside the box for all my

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<v Speaker 3>solutions are way too practical. So I'm kind of regretting

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<v Speaker 3>that I'm gonna have to change on the fly.

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<v Speaker 2>For it's good to be practical.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this was He is always like a practical person.

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<v Speaker 1>DJ was sketched out as a Champions steward trip and

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<v Speaker 1>send me hard costs. He's a practical guy.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a practico.

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<v Speaker 1>All right.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just shrinking the driver head, keeping it simple. I

0:26:12.960 --> 0:26:15.040
<v Speaker 3>don't need to dwell on this one too long. We've

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<v Speaker 3>heard a million golfers talk about it, descaling the game.

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<v Speaker 3>We're shrinking the driver head effective immediately. Let's bring some

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<v Speaker 3>finding the center of the club face back to professional golf.

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<v Speaker 3>This is only going to be for professional golfers if

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<v Speaker 3>you want to swing a ten thousand cc club head,

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<v Speaker 3>because that's what everyone loves. Be my guest, but this

0:26:34.040 --> 0:26:37.720
<v Speaker 3>is gonna help brain in distance. It's a very practical solution.

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<v Speaker 3>Bring back skill address the distance issue. We're shrinking the

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<v Speaker 3>driver head on day one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that's my proposal as well. But instead

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<v Speaker 2>of saying that, I'll just say two words, no tease.

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<v Speaker 2>Next question, as a driver that that explodes.

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<v Speaker 3>When you swing over a certain miles for hours, the

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<v Speaker 3>great Peter costas Peter Costa.

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<v Speaker 2>Or maybe like a piece of it falls off or something,

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<v Speaker 2>or you know whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just going to propose this because this, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is all fun. This might not be

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<v Speaker 1>the most practical thing. One of the great things about

0:27:27.080 --> 0:27:31.000
<v Speaker 1>Persimmon heads was that you had like people like pro

0:27:31.160 --> 0:27:34.840
<v Speaker 1>golfers would use the same driver for twenty years. So

0:27:35.119 --> 0:27:39.120
<v Speaker 1>again in the nature of like removing barriers to entry

0:27:39.240 --> 0:27:42.320
<v Speaker 1>into the sport, like cost is one of the biggest ones.

0:27:43.640 --> 0:27:46.119
<v Speaker 1>And when you had the best players in the world

0:27:46.480 --> 0:27:49.520
<v Speaker 1>using a twenty year old driver or ten year old driver,

0:27:50.240 --> 0:27:52.280
<v Speaker 1>that's a good message. That means you don't have to

0:27:52.359 --> 0:27:55.240
<v Speaker 1>go spend eight hundred dollars or one thousand dollars every

0:27:55.320 --> 0:27:58.520
<v Speaker 1>year to get the new tech. So my my proposal,

0:27:58.680 --> 0:28:04.360
<v Speaker 1>let's go back to persimon. Have there be modest you know, innovation.

0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:07.280
<v Speaker 1>You could like I remember I have a set of

0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:10.840
<v Speaker 1>Ben Hogan woods that I shipped away to Roberto Castro

0:28:11.000 --> 0:28:13.440
<v Speaker 1>that had like this little cut in the side of

0:28:13.480 --> 0:28:16.119
<v Speaker 1>the head that was like a speed slot, you know that,

0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:20.240
<v Speaker 1>Like the idea was to increase the aerodynamics. But like Persimmon,

0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:23.840
<v Speaker 1>like you can't hollow out per Simon. You can't, like

0:28:23.960 --> 0:28:27.760
<v Speaker 1>it's just a solid block of wood. And the thing

0:28:27.800 --> 0:28:30.280
<v Speaker 1>about it is like once you find a driver you like,

0:28:30.840 --> 0:28:34.320
<v Speaker 1>you just use it. That's your driver, And I think

0:28:34.359 --> 0:28:36.320
<v Speaker 1>that's fine. Like that's kind of the way I treat

0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:39.240
<v Speaker 1>drivers in general is once I find a driver I like,

0:28:39.480 --> 0:28:42.520
<v Speaker 1>I usually use it until it cracks, and then I

0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:44.720
<v Speaker 1>move on to the next one. The great thing about

0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:47.520
<v Speaker 1>Persimmon is that it won't crack in six years or

0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:50.000
<v Speaker 1>seven years. It'll it will just be good for twenty

0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:52.040
<v Speaker 1>five years. I never have to buy a new driver.

0:28:52.520 --> 0:28:57.280
<v Speaker 1>So go back to persimmon heads for woods, and you

0:28:57.320 --> 0:29:02.120
<v Speaker 1>would immediately reduce the cost of the sport. Like once again,

0:29:02.640 --> 0:29:06.560
<v Speaker 1>like my platform is like how do we increase participation

0:29:07.080 --> 0:29:10.160
<v Speaker 1>and reduce the cost of the game really in general,

0:29:10.640 --> 0:29:14.360
<v Speaker 1>And and that's where I'm going to be on Persimmon

0:29:14.560 --> 0:29:17.840
<v Speaker 1>driver heads And guess what, it's more fun to hit

0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:20.080
<v Speaker 1>a personmon driver head. I can't tell you how many

0:29:20.160 --> 0:29:23.360
<v Speaker 1>times I go places with either my Hickory's or my

0:29:23.480 --> 0:29:26.720
<v Speaker 1>retro clubs and say we play through a group or

0:29:27.000 --> 0:29:30.120
<v Speaker 1>a group plays through us, whatever it may be. Everybody

0:29:30.200 --> 0:29:32.000
<v Speaker 1>in the group's like, oh my god, is that a

0:29:32.200 --> 0:29:36.000
<v Speaker 1>Persimmon driver or is that a Hickory driver? And I say, oh,

0:29:36.080 --> 0:29:38.640
<v Speaker 1>do you want to try and hit it and they're like, oh, absolutely,

0:29:39.080 --> 0:29:41.200
<v Speaker 1>and then they hear the sound of it and they're like,

0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:43.480
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, that was amazing. It was way easier

0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:44.520
<v Speaker 1>to hit than I thought it was.

0:29:44.760 --> 0:29:45.080
<v Speaker 4>People.

0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:47.480
<v Speaker 1>I think like one of the things that the that

0:29:47.640 --> 0:29:50.560
<v Speaker 1>the equipment companies have done, and this is where I'm

0:29:50.560 --> 0:29:54.040
<v Speaker 1>going to lose my cushion at funding for the free

0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:57.640
<v Speaker 1>kids clubs. I think they've hoodwiged people into thinking that

0:29:57.760 --> 0:30:00.239
<v Speaker 1>Persimmons are like this impossible thing to hit.

0:30:02.040 --> 0:30:06.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, the crazy thing is that you and I Andy

0:30:07.160 --> 0:30:10.720
<v Speaker 2>are old enough to remember watching people play per Simon

0:30:10.800 --> 0:30:14.400
<v Speaker 2>drivers for real. Yeah, Like when I started playing golf,

0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:18.320
<v Speaker 2>my dad still hit a per Simon driver. My dad

0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:21.640
<v Speaker 2>is not a professional golfer. He just liked the club

0:30:22.200 --> 0:30:25.920
<v Speaker 2>and he had fun playing golf. I dare say he

0:30:26.080 --> 0:30:28.800
<v Speaker 2>had more fun playing golf than most people who play

0:30:28.840 --> 0:30:33.480
<v Speaker 2>golf today. And so the game was fun forty fifty

0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:36.920
<v Speaker 2>years ago. It's just expectations that have gotten in the way.

0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:40.600
<v Speaker 2>And you know what's cool is watching sho Heyo Tani

0:30:40.640 --> 0:30:44.720
<v Speaker 2>swing a wooden bat. It just wouldn't be as cool

0:30:45.320 --> 0:30:48.760
<v Speaker 2>to see him do what he does with a metal bat.

0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:51.120
<v Speaker 2>And sorry for bringing up traumatic things.

0:30:51.360 --> 0:30:51.600
<v Speaker 4>PJ.

0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:54.800
<v Speaker 3>Probably the underrated part of that too, is the impact

0:30:54.800 --> 0:30:56.960
<v Speaker 3>it could have on pace of play by hitting the

0:30:57.000 --> 0:30:58.800
<v Speaker 3>ball a little bit shorter and not everyone going for

0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:01.200
<v Speaker 3>five hundred yard one hundred and twenty yard part fives

0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:03.480
<v Speaker 3>at public golf courses like we'd probably see an increase

0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:04.200
<v Speaker 3>in pace of play.

0:31:04.480 --> 0:31:08.400
<v Speaker 1>The other thing is dispersion patterns or are less because

0:31:08.440 --> 0:31:10.520
<v Speaker 1>the ball doesn't go as far, so it doesn't go

0:31:10.560 --> 0:31:13.040
<v Speaker 1>as far offline, less time looking for golf ball.

0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:16.600
<v Speaker 2>Something that's already gotten lost in the equipment discussion is

0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:19.640
<v Speaker 2>the whole point in the first place, which was to

0:31:19.800 --> 0:31:24.320
<v Speaker 2>try to control the expanding footprint of everyday golf courses.

0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:27.520
<v Speaker 2>That's what the governing bodies were really putting research into

0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:31.520
<v Speaker 2>is finding out what those dynamics were, not just at

0:31:31.560 --> 0:31:34.000
<v Speaker 2>tour golf courses, but at the golf courses we play

0:31:34.080 --> 0:31:37.520
<v Speaker 2>every day. And they did find that those courses are

0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:42.200
<v Speaker 2>being stressed by the realities of distance gains at every

0:31:42.720 --> 0:31:45.480
<v Speaker 2>level of the game. So this is not just a

0:31:45.640 --> 0:31:48.520
<v Speaker 2>professional golf issue. But we're agreeing too much here. I

0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:51.000
<v Speaker 2>feel like people don't have enough of a reason, or

0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:52.120
<v Speaker 2>PJ doesn't have enough way.

0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:55.040
<v Speaker 1>We haven't we haven't swerved off yet we haven't and

0:31:55.120 --> 0:31:59.400
<v Speaker 1>nobody's nobody's made a you know, crazy claim that you

0:31:59.480 --> 0:32:02.920
<v Speaker 1>know clearly some sort of big industry titan has gotten

0:32:03.000 --> 0:32:03.280
<v Speaker 1>to them.

0:32:03.320 --> 0:32:06.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean I did say, I'm not sure which industry

0:32:06.320 --> 0:32:07.000
<v Speaker 2>would encourage that.

0:32:08.000 --> 0:32:12.880
<v Speaker 1>Just I think you're pandering to random Twitter responders suggest

0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:16.640
<v Speaker 1>that I am. That's that's such a Twitter thing to say. No, teas,

0:32:18.160 --> 0:32:22.560
<v Speaker 1>let's go to women's professional golf. What is your what

0:32:22.760 --> 0:32:28.320
<v Speaker 1>is your your platform here? What is your opinion? Where? Where's?

0:32:28.400 --> 0:32:29.280
<v Speaker 1>Where do we need to go?

0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:31.600
<v Speaker 2>Who's going here?

0:32:32.600 --> 0:32:35.160
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I gotta go last on all of them.

0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:38.720
<v Speaker 2>Well you're because you get to you get to back

0:32:38.760 --> 0:32:43.080
<v Speaker 2>clean up here. Yeah. Well, with women's pro golf. Since

0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:47.280
<v Speaker 2>since I've already established myself as a tournament destroyer in

0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:51.240
<v Speaker 2>my proposal to abolish the FedEx Cup playoffs, let's get

0:32:51.320 --> 0:32:54.800
<v Speaker 2>rid of the Avon Championship. You know it can still exist,

0:32:55.400 --> 0:32:59.800
<v Speaker 2>but it's not a major. And let's give an ultimatum

0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:03.760
<v Speaker 2>Chevron and say, if you don't take this tournament to

0:33:04.200 --> 0:33:07.640
<v Speaker 2>a worthy golf course, we're taking away your major status too.

0:33:08.000 --> 0:33:10.520
<v Speaker 2>Will go with three majors for the time being and

0:33:10.680 --> 0:33:14.160
<v Speaker 2>see if a fourth emerges. Somewhere along the way. But

0:33:14.360 --> 0:33:18.240
<v Speaker 2>right now, these are not majors. Nobody feels like they're majors.

0:33:18.360 --> 0:33:21.360
<v Speaker 2>It's just a big charade. We're told they're majors, but

0:33:21.480 --> 0:33:25.080
<v Speaker 2>we know in our souls that the Avon Championship and

0:33:25.120 --> 0:33:29.280
<v Speaker 2>the Chevron Championship are not major championship golf in the

0:33:29.360 --> 0:33:31.640
<v Speaker 2>way that the US Women's Open is, in the way

0:33:31.680 --> 0:33:34.360
<v Speaker 2>that the Women's PGA Championship is, and in the way

0:33:34.480 --> 0:33:38.480
<v Speaker 2>that the Women's Open clearly is. So that's something that

0:33:38.600 --> 0:33:42.960
<v Speaker 2>really needs to be fixed, because if one thing absolutely

0:33:43.160 --> 0:33:47.680
<v Speaker 2>has to work in a professional golf structure, it's the

0:33:47.760 --> 0:33:50.800
<v Speaker 2>major championships. That's the one thing that men's pro golf

0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:53.000
<v Speaker 2>is doing right right now. It's the one thing that's

0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:56.720
<v Speaker 2>going well on that side of the game. The majors

0:33:56.720 --> 0:34:00.520
<v Speaker 2>are still the majors and are still great. Needs to

0:34:00.560 --> 0:34:03.480
<v Speaker 2>get its act together with these five majors, two of

0:34:03.600 --> 0:34:05.120
<v Speaker 2>which are really not majors.

0:34:06.760 --> 0:34:11.160
<v Speaker 3>That's some big dictator energy right there, Garrett. That's like, yeah,

0:34:11.480 --> 0:34:14.040
<v Speaker 3>evy on, go tell Chevron what I did to you.

0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:20.040
<v Speaker 3>That's I'm just just levy handed. My proposal is a

0:34:20.080 --> 0:34:27.439
<v Speaker 3>women's golf app that televises or broadcasts streams all their tournaments. Nope,

0:34:27.480 --> 0:34:30.760
<v Speaker 3>we're gonna blow up all of our existing network deals

0:34:31.000 --> 0:34:33.960
<v Speaker 3>and just go straight to a streaming service that is

0:34:34.000 --> 0:34:36.480
<v Speaker 3>similar to like the WNBA League Pass. And maybe we

0:34:36.600 --> 0:34:40.600
<v Speaker 3>still have a Cup Golf Plus. It's gonna be LPGA

0:34:40.680 --> 0:34:44.600
<v Speaker 3>Tour Plus. And I don't no longer are people gonna

0:34:44.600 --> 0:34:46.319
<v Speaker 3>have to worry about where you can watch it if

0:34:46.360 --> 0:34:48.799
<v Speaker 3>it's gonna be tape delayed. I don't care if five

0:34:48.880 --> 0:34:52.279
<v Speaker 3>thousand people are watching it or five million, but we're

0:34:52.280 --> 0:34:55.040
<v Speaker 3>gonna have an app specifically dedicated for it. And if

0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:57.480
<v Speaker 3>there is this infusion of fan interest into women's golf,

0:34:57.480 --> 0:34:59.200
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how popular women's golf will be five

0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:01.000
<v Speaker 3>years from now, but it's going to be set up

0:35:01.040 --> 0:35:03.880
<v Speaker 3>and ready to capture that fan interest if it arrives.

0:35:04.440 --> 0:35:07.080
<v Speaker 3>That is my platform, LPGA Tour Plus.

0:35:08.600 --> 0:35:11.279
<v Speaker 1>All right. I like that idea and the and.

0:35:11.320 --> 0:35:16.280
<v Speaker 2>The advantage of it is that LPGA Tour Commissioner Molly

0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:20.319
<v Speaker 2>Mark Whusamon can say, well, yes, our ratings aren't that good,

0:35:20.880 --> 0:35:23.160
<v Speaker 2>but there are millions of people watching on the app.

0:35:24.080 --> 0:35:29.000
<v Speaker 1>Transparent reporting to could you partner with Caffeine not anymore?

0:35:30.239 --> 0:35:33.480
<v Speaker 2>Caffeine TV could get some big deals in Australia and

0:35:33.840 --> 0:35:35.640
<v Speaker 2>Spain with streaming services.

0:35:37.400 --> 0:35:40.960
<v Speaker 1>I am going to propose that we beef up the

0:35:41.160 --> 0:35:47.640
<v Speaker 1>LPGA Tour media team. I of all, like, there are

0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:49.400
<v Speaker 1>a lot of things that I would like to address

0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:52.919
<v Speaker 1>about the LPGA Tour course collection. A course selection would

0:35:52.960 --> 0:35:55.400
<v Speaker 1>be my secondary platform.

0:35:56.239 --> 0:35:59.000
<v Speaker 2>Schedule is a mess. Can you believe how bad the

0:35:59.040 --> 0:35:59.600
<v Speaker 2>schedule is.

0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:03.040
<v Speaker 1>It's a bad schedule, but like at the end of

0:36:03.120 --> 0:36:09.280
<v Speaker 1>the day, they're showing they're not doing themselves any favors.

0:36:09.360 --> 0:36:13.160
<v Speaker 1>Like I never go on like the Twitter or the

0:36:13.280 --> 0:36:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Instagram and see, like, you know, tons of great shots

0:36:17.320 --> 0:36:19.960
<v Speaker 1>being played like and I think like a lot of

0:36:20.040 --> 0:36:23.160
<v Speaker 1>this is just like resource allocation, you know, like I

0:36:23.239 --> 0:36:27.760
<v Speaker 1>would be dumping money into making our sport more visible

0:36:28.120 --> 0:36:32.120
<v Speaker 1>and right now, the best way to free into you know,

0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:37.600
<v Speaker 1>effectively at cost, effectively increase your invisibility is through social media.

0:36:37.960 --> 0:36:40.920
<v Speaker 1>And I think their social media pages are leave a

0:36:41.000 --> 0:36:43.759
<v Speaker 1>lot to be desired, and I think it's probably in

0:36:43.840 --> 0:36:46.120
<v Speaker 1>a lot of ways just about not having enough people.

0:36:46.680 --> 0:36:50.520
<v Speaker 1>So I would maybe look at, hey, can we reallocate

0:36:50.840 --> 0:36:53.560
<v Speaker 1>one hundred thousand dollars here, one hundred thousand dollars here,

0:36:54.000 --> 0:37:00.360
<v Speaker 1>and maybe double are our media team, amount of people

0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:03.279
<v Speaker 1>and the resources they have, so that we can put

0:37:03.400 --> 0:37:06.600
<v Speaker 1>our sport out in front of people as much as possible,

0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:10.480
<v Speaker 1>so we can garner viral moments. Like I think like

0:37:10.600 --> 0:37:12.960
<v Speaker 1>a lot of probably like great moments happen on the

0:37:13.080 --> 0:37:15.759
<v Speaker 1>LPGA that could be Sports Center Top ten moments, but

0:37:15.880 --> 0:37:18.680
<v Speaker 1>they just don't tell anybody that they happened. That we

0:37:18.760 --> 0:37:21.600
<v Speaker 1>don't We don't know what happened because like a lot

0:37:21.680 --> 0:37:24.439
<v Speaker 1>of times, they are never it's never shown. It's either

0:37:24.520 --> 0:37:30.000
<v Speaker 1>shown on tape delays Joseph put suggested, or it's never

0:37:30.120 --> 0:37:33.000
<v Speaker 1>clipped into social media or never was televised in the

0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:36.400
<v Speaker 1>first part. So like my big thing would all be

0:37:36.520 --> 0:37:40.399
<v Speaker 1>about visibility. Let's get our product out there as much

0:37:40.440 --> 0:37:45.839
<v Speaker 1>as possible on these free, potentially viral channels in order

0:37:46.000 --> 0:37:48.280
<v Speaker 1>to garner more fan interest.

0:37:49.920 --> 0:37:53.280
<v Speaker 2>I could be with that. I mean, the PGA Tours

0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:56.160
<v Speaker 2>and Media team now has its own palace.

0:37:56.520 --> 0:37:59.400
<v Speaker 1>It sounds like I wouldn't do a deal where we

0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:02.799
<v Speaker 1>rented office space and they're it's kind of like their

0:38:03.160 --> 0:38:06.840
<v Speaker 1>their TV right steel they'll be exact to tack on.

0:38:07.320 --> 0:38:10.480
<v Speaker 1>That could be another platform, like let's not align ourselves

0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:14.640
<v Speaker 1>with the PGA Tour. That could be like another platform.

0:38:14.880 --> 0:38:17.799
<v Speaker 1>We're going to do every everything the PGA Tour is doing.

0:38:17.920 --> 0:38:20.720
<v Speaker 1>We're going to do the complete opposite, and you probably

0:38:20.760 --> 0:38:21.719
<v Speaker 1>have a really good tour.

0:38:22.640 --> 0:38:26.200
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. I think that's the real opportunity for the LPGA

0:38:26.280 --> 0:38:29.239
<v Speaker 2>Tour right now, is to define itself in opposition to

0:38:29.320 --> 0:38:32.600
<v Speaker 2>the PGA Tour. That's an open lane, and I think

0:38:32.640 --> 0:38:34.400
<v Speaker 2>it could be pretty fruitful, and I.

0:38:34.440 --> 0:38:36.600
<v Speaker 1>Think they do it to a certain except with like

0:38:36.680 --> 0:38:41.320
<v Speaker 1>the players. The players are so friendly, they're so welcoming,

0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:45.839
<v Speaker 1>they're so excited about like playing golf. Like, right there,

0:38:46.120 --> 0:38:49.480
<v Speaker 1>you have a diametrically opposed tour. Right you go to

0:38:49.640 --> 0:38:53.280
<v Speaker 1>PGA Tour event, whether you're a fan or a member

0:38:53.320 --> 0:38:56.000
<v Speaker 1>of the media, and you are you are just lucky

0:38:56.080 --> 0:38:58.800
<v Speaker 1>to be gracing the player's presence, right you know, like

0:38:58.920 --> 0:39:01.919
<v Speaker 1>you're just lucky, lucky that you might get to see

0:39:02.160 --> 0:39:05.759
<v Speaker 1>to walk past one of them. The LPGA it's like, hey,

0:39:06.000 --> 0:39:09.399
<v Speaker 1>how are you doing? And you're as a media member,

0:39:09.480 --> 0:39:11.799
<v Speaker 1>You're like, wait, what, why are you asking me how

0:39:11.880 --> 0:39:12.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing?

0:39:12.320 --> 0:39:14.759
<v Speaker 2>It is almost a little bit confusing, but yeah, the

0:39:15.000 --> 0:39:18.359
<v Speaker 2>why of LPGA Tour experience is fantastic and maybe That's

0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:20.359
<v Speaker 2>another thing that could be built out a little bit,

0:39:20.480 --> 0:39:24.480
<v Speaker 2>because going to LPGA Tour events is super fun. But

0:39:24.560 --> 0:39:27.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure that people talk about that that much,

0:39:27.840 --> 0:39:31.880
<v Speaker 2>or that the events locally or are are really gaining

0:39:31.960 --> 0:39:33.400
<v Speaker 2>traction in the way that they should.

0:39:33.960 --> 0:39:35.960
<v Speaker 1>I think that I think they have just like a

0:39:36.200 --> 0:39:40.400
<v Speaker 1>messaging issue in general about their product and what it

0:39:40.600 --> 0:39:44.080
<v Speaker 1>is and how it is. Like they just they just

0:39:44.239 --> 0:39:47.000
<v Speaker 1>in general do not they I don't think they have

0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:53.400
<v Speaker 1>the resources to properly expose people to what their product is.

0:39:54.120 --> 0:40:00.600
<v Speaker 2>It's bizarre too, because if there's one thing that money

0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:05.960
<v Speaker 2>is being spent on right now, it is women's sports. Yeah, right,

0:40:06.040 --> 0:40:09.279
<v Speaker 2>those sponsorships should not necessarily I'm not saying that it's

0:40:09.320 --> 0:40:12.080
<v Speaker 2>as big of money as like the NFL is getting

0:40:12.120 --> 0:40:17.840
<v Speaker 2>from the TV networks, obviously, but those sponsorships are not

0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:20.279
<v Speaker 2>that hard to come by. And for some reason, the

0:40:20.440 --> 0:40:24.040
<v Speaker 2>LPGA Tour right now is shedding sponsors rather than picking

0:40:24.120 --> 0:40:27.920
<v Speaker 2>up sponsors. It sounds like Cognizant is maybe out. So

0:40:28.640 --> 0:40:31.640
<v Speaker 2>there's something odd going on with the leadership of the

0:40:31.760 --> 0:40:34.560
<v Speaker 2>LPGA Tour. I'm not sure what it is, but it

0:40:34.680 --> 0:40:37.640
<v Speaker 2>feels oddly low energy at the moment.

0:40:39.280 --> 0:40:44.440
<v Speaker 1>All right, final final platform or you know topic that

0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:49.040
<v Speaker 1>we're going to batter around here. The golf course industry. This,

0:40:49.520 --> 0:40:53.959
<v Speaker 1>this includes architecture, this includes agronomy. It's just all about

0:40:54.000 --> 0:41:00.319
<v Speaker 1>golf courses. Garrett's already already crowbarred this topic into Grow

0:41:00.360 --> 0:41:00.719
<v Speaker 1>the Game.

0:41:02.840 --> 0:41:03.239
<v Speaker 2>That's true.

0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:06.160
<v Speaker 1>It might have taken my platform here, but I'm gonna

0:41:06.160 --> 0:41:07.239
<v Speaker 1>come up with a different one.

0:41:07.520 --> 0:41:10.040
<v Speaker 2>I might have initially had that one for golf course

0:41:10.120 --> 0:41:12.720
<v Speaker 2>industry but not been able to come up with anything

0:41:12.800 --> 0:41:15.080
<v Speaker 2>for Grow the Game and maybe moved it.

0:41:16.000 --> 0:41:19.560
<v Speaker 1>Joseph, what's your your initiative here?

0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:27.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I Mine is for some central repository database. I

0:41:27.160 --> 0:41:29.520
<v Speaker 3>would love to have all golf courses. But if it's

0:41:29.719 --> 0:41:34.160
<v Speaker 3>just municipal golf courses, that's fine. If it's municipal public,

0:41:34.360 --> 0:41:37.160
<v Speaker 3>that's great. But I want to store all of the

0:41:37.400 --> 0:41:41.400
<v Speaker 3>original drawings of a golf course with the architects an

0:41:41.480 --> 0:41:44.239
<v Speaker 3>explanation for the architect's vision for the golf course, so

0:41:44.320 --> 0:41:47.120
<v Speaker 3>that years down the line, we're not looking back trying

0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:51.560
<v Speaker 3>to scrape together drawings and understand if the architect who's

0:41:51.600 --> 0:41:54.600
<v Speaker 3>hired to do the renovation is betraying the original vision.

0:41:54.920 --> 0:41:57.960
<v Speaker 3>I want it all documented somewhere from one central source.

0:41:58.360 --> 0:42:01.759
<v Speaker 3>If someone's hired to do a project on a municipal course,

0:42:02.040 --> 0:42:04.000
<v Speaker 3>we're going to put what that cost and what the

0:42:04.080 --> 0:42:08.160
<v Speaker 3>work was on it all in one location. Remove all

0:42:08.239 --> 0:42:11.360
<v Speaker 3>the ambiguity around what the architect's original intent was and

0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:13.080
<v Speaker 3>what the golf course looks like one hundred and fifty

0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:13.560
<v Speaker 3>years later.

0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:14.719
<v Speaker 1>Get that set up.

0:42:15.360 --> 0:42:17.719
<v Speaker 3>It's not a day one initiative, but that's my second

0:42:17.800 --> 0:42:18.759
<v Speaker 3>or third week on the job.

0:42:19.680 --> 0:42:21.080
<v Speaker 2>This should be on the Friday dot Com.

0:42:21.200 --> 0:42:24.360
<v Speaker 1>It sounds like it can be a private sector solution.

0:42:26.840 --> 0:42:31.280
<v Speaker 2>Okay, my proposal, no green speeds above eleven on the stage.

0:42:31.520 --> 0:42:32.560
<v Speaker 1>You just took a one.

0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:36.719
<v Speaker 2>I knew it too. I knew this was going to

0:42:36.800 --> 0:42:41.920
<v Speaker 2>be one of yours. I'm sorry. You know what I

0:42:41.960 --> 0:42:44.520
<v Speaker 2>could have talked about, like bunker sand or something like that.

0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:47.600
<v Speaker 1>But I know this is This is not the case

0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:53.720
<v Speaker 1>in American politics. But we can have a similar stance

0:42:53.840 --> 0:42:54.279
<v Speaker 1>on things.

0:42:54.440 --> 0:42:56.239
<v Speaker 2>We can agree on things. Yeah, that's right.

0:42:56.320 --> 0:42:59.200
<v Speaker 1>This is politics can be this way where we can

0:42:59.400 --> 0:43:00.799
<v Speaker 1>agree on right.

0:43:01.239 --> 0:43:03.360
<v Speaker 2>You can elect either of us and we'll be happy

0:43:03.440 --> 0:43:03.920
<v Speaker 2>for each other.

0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:07.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I won't.

0:43:07.480 --> 0:43:09.000
<v Speaker 2>You won't go that far. I will.

0:43:09.320 --> 0:43:12.400
<v Speaker 1>I will disassociate and start my own, my own country

0:43:12.520 --> 0:43:14.200
<v Speaker 1>within within Friday.

0:43:15.440 --> 0:43:18.279
<v Speaker 2>Friday Gastan, All right, well he'll be that.

0:43:18.480 --> 0:43:23.359
<v Speaker 1>It'll be Frida Egg, you know, the Jefferson of Frida Egg.

0:43:24.760 --> 0:43:29.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right. I forgot about the state of Jefferson. Yeah,

0:43:29.280 --> 0:43:31.719
<v Speaker 2>that's in my area of the country too. It's great,

0:43:33.320 --> 0:43:37.799
<v Speaker 2>all right. Anyway, I found a great quote from Pete

0:43:37.880 --> 0:43:40.880
<v Speaker 2>Die a couple of days ago for and put it

0:43:40.960 --> 0:43:45.240
<v Speaker 2>in this design notebook that we just published in Club TFE,

0:43:45.960 --> 0:43:48.600
<v Speaker 2>and I thought that Pete Dye said it really well.

0:43:48.640 --> 0:43:51.360
<v Speaker 2>The great architects, Pete Dye, the guy behind TPC, Sawgrass,

0:43:51.360 --> 0:43:56.799
<v Speaker 2>harbor Town, et cetera. He said, if greens are maintained

0:43:56.920 --> 0:44:00.200
<v Speaker 2>at speeds over eleven feet on the stint meter, no

0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:04.080
<v Speaker 2>architect in their right mind can build any contour or

0:44:04.280 --> 0:44:07.640
<v Speaker 2>character into their greens. When you take contour out of

0:44:07.719 --> 0:44:10.480
<v Speaker 2>the greens and speed them up, you only make the

0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:14.200
<v Speaker 2>game easier for the average putting tour pro and harder

0:44:14.320 --> 0:44:17.480
<v Speaker 2>for the club player. There is much more skill required

0:44:17.600 --> 0:44:21.759
<v Speaker 2>in putting slower, undulating and grainy greens than there is

0:44:21.880 --> 0:44:24.920
<v Speaker 2>in putting flat ones that are fast. So at some

0:44:25.040 --> 0:44:27.000
<v Speaker 2>point we are going to have to figure out what

0:44:27.120 --> 0:44:30.000
<v Speaker 2>we really want from our golf courses. Do we want

0:44:30.160 --> 0:44:33.680
<v Speaker 2>interesting tests of skill with lots of character and perhaps

0:44:33.760 --> 0:44:36.480
<v Speaker 2>a little grain on the greens, or do we want

0:44:37.320 --> 0:44:41.120
<v Speaker 2>level but slick putting surfaces that only make the game

0:44:41.520 --> 0:44:45.560
<v Speaker 2>less interesting. I think that puts it really well. By

0:44:45.719 --> 0:44:49.560
<v Speaker 2>slowing down greens, you incentivize architects to do more interesting work.

0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:53.800
<v Speaker 2>You incentivize clubs to maintain the character of their courses.

0:44:54.480 --> 0:44:59.279
<v Speaker 1>I think, like the fascinating thing about this quote is

0:44:59.400 --> 0:45:02.239
<v Speaker 1>the start of where he talks about, you know how

0:45:02.320 --> 0:45:05.520
<v Speaker 1>it makes it easier for the average player and harder

0:45:05.600 --> 0:45:06.360
<v Speaker 1>for the good player.

0:45:07.880 --> 0:45:10.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, like that it's so true too, Right,

0:45:11.160 --> 0:45:13.120
<v Speaker 2>if you want a tour to make a bunch of putts,

0:45:13.520 --> 0:45:17.080
<v Speaker 2>give them a flat, smooth fast They're just gonna make

0:45:17.120 --> 0:45:18.440
<v Speaker 2>everything from everywhere.

0:45:18.600 --> 0:45:22.680
<v Speaker 1>Everything from everywhere. Meanwhile, when you slow it down, like

0:45:22.840 --> 0:45:26.720
<v Speaker 1>what's the talking point at every Open championship. Oh, they're

0:45:26.800 --> 0:45:29.359
<v Speaker 1>just struggling to get the speeds right. You know why,

0:45:29.960 --> 0:45:32.920
<v Speaker 1>because they actually have to worry about a ball getting

0:45:32.960 --> 0:45:36.600
<v Speaker 1>to the hole. They have to like, the idea of

0:45:36.680 --> 0:45:40.399
<v Speaker 1>a ball coming up short is a realm of possibility. Right,

0:45:40.800 --> 0:45:43.840
<v Speaker 1>So speed control actually becomes like a big thing. And

0:45:43.960 --> 0:45:46.839
<v Speaker 1>I think like people get upset because like some people

0:45:47.040 --> 0:45:49.640
<v Speaker 1>just lay it dead constantly, over and over again. You

0:45:49.680 --> 0:45:53.320
<v Speaker 1>know what that is. That's someone with supreme speed control

0:45:53.440 --> 0:45:56.719
<v Speaker 1>being rewarded. You know, somebody that hits the center of

0:45:56.800 --> 0:46:00.920
<v Speaker 1>the putter face over and over again being rewarded. We

0:46:01.080 --> 0:46:05.319
<v Speaker 1>saw perhaps Scottie Shuffler's worst putting performance this year at

0:46:05.320 --> 0:46:09.440
<v Speaker 1>the Open Championship. He was awful on putts of like

0:46:09.640 --> 0:46:12.640
<v Speaker 1>six feet eight feet And one thing that popped in

0:46:12.719 --> 0:46:14.719
<v Speaker 1>my mind is like, oh, he actually has to hit

0:46:14.760 --> 0:46:17.080
<v Speaker 1>the putt solid for the ball to stay on the

0:46:17.200 --> 0:46:20.960
<v Speaker 1>line and go in the hole. I had one of

0:46:21.000 --> 0:46:24.080
<v Speaker 1>my worst putting rounds of the year at a course

0:46:24.719 --> 0:46:30.359
<v Speaker 1>called Wolf River Golf Park. They were perhaps the best

0:46:30.480 --> 0:46:34.040
<v Speaker 1>greens that I put it on all year in terms

0:46:34.080 --> 0:46:37.200
<v Speaker 1>of what we're talking about now. They were rock hard,

0:46:37.480 --> 0:46:41.560
<v Speaker 1>so firm, and they rolled at about a nine maybe

0:46:41.600 --> 0:46:45.439
<v Speaker 1>a ten, And I was when I had a wedge

0:46:45.480 --> 0:46:48.719
<v Speaker 1>in my hand, I was like terrified about like thinking about,

0:46:48.840 --> 0:46:51.520
<v Speaker 1>like I need to land this ninety two yards and

0:46:51.560 --> 0:46:54.680
<v Speaker 1>if I land at ninety four, I'm probably gonna miss

0:46:54.880 --> 0:46:56.680
<v Speaker 1>this section of the green that I need to get

0:46:56.719 --> 0:47:00.439
<v Speaker 1>this wedge into But then when I got on the green,

0:47:00.600 --> 0:47:02.920
<v Speaker 1>if I had six feet in the putt and the

0:47:03.440 --> 0:47:05.000
<v Speaker 1>and you know a lot of the cups were on

0:47:05.520 --> 0:47:09.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, slopes. I was really I was struggling that

0:47:09.239 --> 0:47:12.719
<v Speaker 1>day with my stroke, was not hitting puts solidly, and

0:47:12.840 --> 0:47:16.719
<v Speaker 1>I was missing everything. And I think about like that

0:47:16.880 --> 0:47:18.920
<v Speaker 1>day as like, oh I putt it probably the worst

0:47:18.960 --> 0:47:21.080
<v Speaker 1>I put it all year that day, And I think

0:47:21.160 --> 0:47:23.360
<v Speaker 1>that a lot of it had to do with me

0:47:23.560 --> 0:47:26.440
<v Speaker 1>actually having to hit puts solid that day and being

0:47:26.600 --> 0:47:30.000
<v Speaker 1>just not stroking the ball well that day. So I

0:47:30.200 --> 0:47:34.360
<v Speaker 1>just think that this is a it's just such a

0:47:35.800 --> 0:47:40.000
<v Speaker 1>it's such an easy way to bring We're always trying

0:47:40.040 --> 0:47:43.239
<v Speaker 1>to bring skill gap together. This is a great way

0:47:43.280 --> 0:47:47.680
<v Speaker 1>to bring skill gap together. PJ. I'm gonna run slightly

0:47:47.800 --> 0:47:48.480
<v Speaker 1>on the opposite.

0:47:49.120 --> 0:47:51.439
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna push back in that I do not think

0:47:51.560 --> 0:47:55.720
<v Speaker 3>speed in and of itself is the culprit. Small green

0:47:55.800 --> 0:47:58.400
<v Speaker 3>that's super fast, yes you can't do something interesting with it,

0:47:58.520 --> 0:48:02.040
<v Speaker 3>but big greens can be fast. Like the point I

0:48:02.080 --> 0:48:04.640
<v Speaker 3>want to push back on Garrett and Andy is being

0:48:04.719 --> 0:48:07.600
<v Speaker 3>short sighted has to be a penalty, Like if if

0:48:07.640 --> 0:48:11.239
<v Speaker 3>the greens are really slow, therefore short sighting yourself. You

0:48:11.320 --> 0:48:13.520
<v Speaker 3>can still chip it really close. That's not going to

0:48:13.600 --> 0:48:15.880
<v Speaker 3>lead to the best tests. I don't think speed is

0:48:16.080 --> 0:48:18.719
<v Speaker 3>actually the culprit. I think Garrett, some of what you're

0:48:18.760 --> 0:48:23.239
<v Speaker 3>mentioning with the lack of interesting strategic intrigue to the

0:48:23.280 --> 0:48:26.600
<v Speaker 3>greens is the true culprit. And yes, speed, when you

0:48:26.640 --> 0:48:28.520
<v Speaker 3>have small greens and you crank them up to fourteen,

0:48:28.560 --> 0:48:31.120
<v Speaker 3>they can't be interesting. I'm with you on that, but

0:48:31.320 --> 0:48:33.319
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to stand up a little bit for fast

0:48:33.400 --> 0:48:35.320
<v Speaker 3>greens in certain instances like an Augusta.

0:48:35.880 --> 0:48:38.919
<v Speaker 2>I think candidate Lamanya is too obsessed with what goes

0:48:38.960 --> 0:48:43.600
<v Speaker 2>on in pro golf. This whole short sighting has to

0:48:43.719 --> 0:48:45.120
<v Speaker 2>be a penalty kind of thing.

0:48:45.760 --> 0:48:47.400
<v Speaker 1>You can prota.

0:48:47.880 --> 0:48:51.200
<v Speaker 2>You can say if short sighting is, you can say

0:48:51.239 --> 0:48:53.840
<v Speaker 2>short sighting yourself should be, can be. It can be

0:48:53.880 --> 0:48:57.200
<v Speaker 2>a penalty due to architectural factors too. Right, Yes, you

0:48:57.920 --> 0:49:00.239
<v Speaker 2>have slower greens and can actually build some till into

0:49:00.280 --> 0:49:02.399
<v Speaker 2>that that's the key and pin them on the tilt.

0:49:02.440 --> 0:49:04.480
<v Speaker 2>Then then you have kind of the same I'm with

0:49:04.560 --> 0:49:08.080
<v Speaker 2>you on that. Okay, fine, we're we're agreeing now. Jesus,

0:49:08.120 --> 0:49:10.880
<v Speaker 2>I was trying to get some controversy going. We need

0:49:10.960 --> 0:49:12.520
<v Speaker 2>somebody to come in here and say I'm going to

0:49:12.560 --> 0:49:13.960
<v Speaker 2>get rid of all the woke Greens.

0:49:15.200 --> 0:49:17.719
<v Speaker 1>That's it. We should have brought in a party that

0:49:17.840 --> 0:49:21.239
<v Speaker 1>was going to be diametrically opposed to the to the others.

0:49:21.040 --> 0:49:24.320
<v Speaker 2>I think. I think one of the one of the

0:49:24.400 --> 0:49:27.840
<v Speaker 2>main exponents of that philosophy has disappeared from from the Internet,

0:49:27.960 --> 0:49:31.560
<v Speaker 2>so we weren't able to weren't able to manage it

0:49:31.680 --> 0:49:32.040
<v Speaker 2>this time.

0:49:32.239 --> 0:49:37.640
<v Speaker 1>Well, their identity could not be confirmed or denied either,

0:49:37.880 --> 0:49:42.840
<v Speaker 1>So all right, PJ, who's who's your vote? Who's your

0:49:42.960 --> 0:49:44.080
<v Speaker 1>vote for? For winner?

0:49:44.520 --> 0:49:47.840
<v Speaker 2>PJ is going to have to sign it, yeah, do

0:49:47.960 --> 0:49:49.160
<v Speaker 2>it an American sign language.

0:49:49.239 --> 0:49:52.959
<v Speaker 1>That doesn't for this debate. I don't think he wants

0:49:53.000 --> 0:49:58.200
<v Speaker 1>to make a vote the repercussions, so for those who

0:49:58.320 --> 0:49:59.000
<v Speaker 1>can't hear.

0:49:59.280 --> 0:50:02.359
<v Speaker 2>I think that was as far as the listeners heard.

0:50:04.160 --> 0:50:09.920
<v Speaker 1>PJA enjoyed how cutthroat Garrett was with with his his policies,

0:50:10.080 --> 0:50:12.799
<v Speaker 1>including you know, eliminating tournaments.

0:50:13.280 --> 0:50:16.480
<v Speaker 2>So typical gen Z just wants to burn it all down,

0:50:17.360 --> 0:50:20.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, doesn't doesn't recognize the value of institutions.

0:50:21.480 --> 0:50:25.800
<v Speaker 1>So so Garrett has won this presidential debate, that doesn't

0:50:25.880 --> 0:50:30.359
<v Speaker 1>I hope everybody enjoyed this lighthearted discussion. I think there

0:50:30.400 --> 0:50:34.680
<v Speaker 1>are some substantial ideas in it as well. So all right, uh,

0:50:34.920 --> 0:50:38.480
<v Speaker 1>let's kick it over to Rue McDonald. Uh to talk

0:50:38.600 --> 0:50:52.600
<v Speaker 1>about cool links. All right, Before we get to Room

0:50:52.680 --> 0:50:57.200
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<v Speaker 1>and cool Links. All right, Rue, I'm excited to talk

0:52:35.760 --> 0:52:42.120
<v Speaker 1>about cool Links. This is a development in northern Scotland,

0:52:42.600 --> 0:52:46.440
<v Speaker 1>the Highlands. Tell us a little bit about the history

0:52:46.719 --> 0:52:51.120
<v Speaker 1>of cool Links the land, you know, kind of how

0:52:51.200 --> 0:52:54.160
<v Speaker 1>it's come to be as this somewhat I don't know

0:52:54.239 --> 0:52:57.160
<v Speaker 1>if this is the right word, but embroiled topic in

0:52:58.080 --> 0:52:58.920
<v Speaker 1>northern Scotland.

0:53:00.200 --> 0:53:03.279
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, thanks Andy, And unfortunately it has become kind of

0:53:03.320 --> 0:53:06.720
<v Speaker 4>a long saga, as I'm sure we're going to discuss.

0:53:06.800 --> 0:53:11.120
<v Speaker 4>A lot of Scotland's coastline is heavily protected and this

0:53:11.280 --> 0:53:15.719
<v Speaker 4>is probably one of the last genuine, incredible sites in

0:53:15.800 --> 0:53:18.600
<v Speaker 4>Scotland that could be developed for Scottish golf. I think

0:53:18.600 --> 0:53:23.200
<v Speaker 4>the future of Scottish links golf and developments into Scotland

0:53:23.239 --> 0:53:25.960
<v Speaker 4>will be purchasing existing golf courses, but this would be

0:53:26.000 --> 0:53:29.960
<v Speaker 4>a new golf course just two miles north of Dorroch.

0:53:31.080 --> 0:53:35.440
<v Speaker 4>Honestly an incredible site. And I before I joined the

0:53:35.880 --> 0:53:38.000
<v Speaker 4>DP World Tour, where I've been working for seven and

0:53:38.000 --> 0:53:41.480
<v Speaker 4>a half years, I ran my own podcast. It was

0:53:41.680 --> 0:53:43.759
<v Speaker 4>the scottis Golf Podcast. It was all about, you know,

0:53:44.000 --> 0:53:46.680
<v Speaker 4>speaking to people that have been on golf trips to

0:53:46.680 --> 0:53:49.239
<v Speaker 4>Scotland planning the next golf trip. And it was just

0:53:49.280 --> 0:53:51.480
<v Speaker 4>a blog really in a podcast. And I went on

0:53:51.560 --> 0:53:54.000
<v Speaker 4>the site of cool Links and I walked the site

0:53:54.080 --> 0:53:57.960
<v Speaker 4>and I actually walked into literally walked into Mike Kaiser

0:53:58.600 --> 0:54:00.920
<v Speaker 4>and at the time, you know, his right hand man

0:54:01.040 --> 0:54:06.120
<v Speaker 4>in Scotland, Todd Warnick. That was the first development application

0:54:06.440 --> 0:54:10.520
<v Speaker 4>for the golf course. Todd Warnick's an American. I think

0:54:10.560 --> 0:54:14.879
<v Speaker 4>he's actually from Chicago and a successful businessman who loves

0:54:14.920 --> 0:54:18.200
<v Speaker 4>Dornich and who has this incredible hotel with Doric and

0:54:18.480 --> 0:54:20.480
<v Speaker 4>between the two of them, they were planning to build

0:54:20.480 --> 0:54:23.360
<v Speaker 4>a golf course and have Bill Koor and Ben Crenshaw

0:54:23.400 --> 0:54:26.200
<v Speaker 4>designed the golf course. And I think, you know, for

0:54:26.280 --> 0:54:28.719
<v Speaker 4>every for all that Todd does for the community, he's

0:54:28.800 --> 0:54:30.759
<v Speaker 4>very philanthropic. He puts a lot of money back into

0:54:30.800 --> 0:54:34.400
<v Speaker 4>the town and developing things there and for whatever reason,

0:54:34.480 --> 0:54:38.800
<v Speaker 4>the locals didn't take to another American coming into Dorak

0:54:39.040 --> 0:54:43.040
<v Speaker 4>and trying to do something, and that a lot of pushback.

0:54:43.200 --> 0:54:45.920
<v Speaker 4>It went through the courts and the courts, you know,

0:54:46.280 --> 0:54:48.799
<v Speaker 4>despite public opinion being in favor of the golf course

0:54:48.840 --> 0:54:52.280
<v Speaker 4>and the local council approving the application, it was eventually

0:54:52.400 --> 0:54:57.719
<v Speaker 4>rejected on environmental grounds. So that's the short answer. That's

0:54:57.719 --> 0:55:00.840
<v Speaker 4>where we are, and there's been a new project. Locals

0:55:00.920 --> 0:55:04.080
<v Speaker 4>came together. They didn't want to turn away the opportunity

0:55:04.120 --> 0:55:07.360
<v Speaker 4>to have a golf course there. So the locals got together,

0:55:07.560 --> 0:55:12.560
<v Speaker 4>Communities for Cool and six local people, business people, people

0:55:12.600 --> 0:55:15.880
<v Speaker 4>that worked around Dora and got together and they resurrected

0:55:15.960 --> 0:55:20.000
<v Speaker 4>the project very much as a public a local project,

0:55:20.520 --> 0:55:23.440
<v Speaker 4>still going to be backed by Mike Kiser, but you know,

0:55:23.560 --> 0:55:28.040
<v Speaker 4>with very much the community in the spirit of resurrected

0:55:28.120 --> 0:55:30.360
<v Speaker 4>it and they've got Really the first thing they did

0:55:30.520 --> 0:55:33.040
<v Speaker 4>was put it to the local vote. They asked locals,

0:55:33.120 --> 0:55:35.959
<v Speaker 4>do you want a golf course? And almost seventy percent

0:55:36.000 --> 0:55:38.239
<v Speaker 4>of them voted in favor of a golf course. So

0:55:38.480 --> 0:55:42.960
<v Speaker 4>they've they've got the application, resubmitted it past planning. It

0:55:43.080 --> 0:55:46.399
<v Speaker 4>got the support of the local community. But unfortunately there's

0:55:46.440 --> 0:55:49.800
<v Speaker 4>still some concerns around the environmental impact, which is is

0:55:49.920 --> 0:55:52.160
<v Speaker 4>very small. We can go into it and it's going

0:55:52.239 --> 0:55:53.960
<v Speaker 4>to be decided in a couple of weeks now in

0:55:54.239 --> 0:55:59.120
<v Speaker 4>Scotland's sort of in the capital Edinburgh, where the national

0:55:59.200 --> 0:56:02.800
<v Speaker 4>government will decide if the economic and social benefits of

0:56:02.800 --> 0:56:07.320
<v Speaker 4>the golf course outweigh the minor environmental impact. Long answer

0:56:07.520 --> 0:56:10.719
<v Speaker 4>to a very difficult subject matter what.

0:56:12.880 --> 0:56:19.480
<v Speaker 1>Advantage? I guess it was presented by the locals presenting

0:56:19.680 --> 0:56:23.040
<v Speaker 1>this rather than another wealthy American.

0:56:24.719 --> 0:56:27.440
<v Speaker 4>I think, you know, there's there's literally a phrase. I mean,

0:56:27.560 --> 0:56:29.720
<v Speaker 4>if you look into Scottish history, there's a phrase about,

0:56:30.200 --> 0:56:33.920
<v Speaker 4>you know, the Highland clearances, and you've been to Scotland,

0:56:34.120 --> 0:56:36.360
<v Speaker 4>you've been into sort of urban areas in the in

0:56:36.480 --> 0:56:39.120
<v Speaker 4>the central belt we call it Edinburgh and Glasgow, where

0:56:39.120 --> 0:56:44.319
<v Speaker 4>the population resides. The Highlands is barren. Highlands lacks job opportunities.

0:56:44.760 --> 0:56:46.680
<v Speaker 4>If you have a young family, it's very hard to

0:56:46.800 --> 0:56:50.280
<v Speaker 4>sort of find work there that can raise a young family.

0:56:50.360 --> 0:56:53.440
<v Speaker 4>So a lot of locals leave Dork and leave the

0:56:53.480 --> 0:56:57.000
<v Speaker 4>Highlands and move down to the south where the population is.

0:56:57.640 --> 0:57:01.279
<v Speaker 4>And the strongest argument was, you know want to we

0:57:01.400 --> 0:57:03.440
<v Speaker 4>want to keep population high in this part of the

0:57:03.480 --> 0:57:05.160
<v Speaker 4>world or do you want to increase numbers. It was

0:57:06.480 --> 0:57:10.120
<v Speaker 4>the most recent census saw an uptaking older people like

0:57:10.239 --> 0:57:12.560
<v Speaker 4>moving to the Highlands as a retirement sort of thing

0:57:12.640 --> 0:57:15.480
<v Speaker 4>as well. So that's the biggest thing, Like, you know,

0:57:15.960 --> 0:57:17.760
<v Speaker 4>you know the power we all know the power of

0:57:17.840 --> 0:57:21.480
<v Speaker 4>golf tourism and the money it brings and how do

0:57:21.560 --> 0:57:24.400
<v Speaker 4>you retain you know, the population, how do you keep

0:57:24.440 --> 0:57:27.440
<v Speaker 4>people in the area. And tourism in the Highlands of

0:57:27.480 --> 0:57:31.720
<v Speaker 4>Scotland is a massive thing, and golf tourism's very, you know,

0:57:31.960 --> 0:57:35.680
<v Speaker 4>a very affluent sector to be working in. So Royal Dorrick,

0:57:35.960 --> 0:57:40.800
<v Speaker 4>you know, they have seventeen hundred overseas members at Royal Dornic.

0:57:40.920 --> 0:57:44.240
<v Speaker 4>They do you know, twenty thousand visitor rounds. So there's

0:57:44.480 --> 0:57:47.680
<v Speaker 4>there's already appetite in the area for great golf, great

0:57:47.720 --> 0:57:52.000
<v Speaker 4>links golf. What cool can be is you know a

0:57:52.120 --> 0:57:57.160
<v Speaker 4>visitor only addition to that, And anyone listening to this

0:57:57.240 --> 0:58:00.919
<v Speaker 4>podcast knows about Bill Koor and Kaiser and the golf

0:58:01.000 --> 0:58:03.919
<v Speaker 4>courses they get involved with. It's very difficult to maybe

0:58:04.480 --> 0:58:08.080
<v Speaker 4>portray that to people that are not wanting to educate themselves.

0:58:08.280 --> 0:58:11.560
<v Speaker 4>And the frustrating thing for me and the people involved

0:58:11.600 --> 0:58:15.640
<v Speaker 4>in this project is the sort of lazy argument from

0:58:15.680 --> 0:58:18.640
<v Speaker 4>the other side who just perceived golf to be one

0:58:18.720 --> 0:58:21.439
<v Speaker 4>thing and we know that, you know, modern golf course

0:58:21.480 --> 0:58:25.240
<v Speaker 4>designers is it is with minimal, minimal impact on the

0:58:25.360 --> 0:58:27.920
<v Speaker 4>environment and trying to be is. Certainly Bill Kohr, I mean,

0:58:27.960 --> 0:58:29.920
<v Speaker 4>you know that's more than me, Andy, but you know,

0:58:30.040 --> 0:58:33.080
<v Speaker 4>talk to his golf course philosophy and how how little

0:58:33.120 --> 0:58:36.200
<v Speaker 4>earth movement there is and with the environmental constraints here,

0:58:36.320 --> 0:58:40.520
<v Speaker 4>this will be all This could arguably the most natural

0:58:40.640 --> 0:58:43.240
<v Speaker 4>wings golf course built, certainly in this century.

0:58:44.800 --> 0:58:48.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think obviously, and I think there's been some

0:58:48.200 --> 0:58:53.160
<v Speaker 1>projects in Scotland that probably have have not been the

0:58:53.280 --> 0:58:57.000
<v Speaker 1>best the best environmental steward over the last couple of decades,

0:58:57.160 --> 0:59:03.360
<v Speaker 1>and that could potentially be some of the backlash. You know,

0:59:03.440 --> 0:59:07.040
<v Speaker 1>Bill Corus obviously, you know, over his career been pretty

0:59:07.080 --> 0:59:11.120
<v Speaker 1>sensitive to the environment and in terms of you know,

0:59:11.720 --> 0:59:15.000
<v Speaker 1>searching out and seeking out to a tireless degree the

0:59:15.120 --> 0:59:18.840
<v Speaker 1>most natural routing that he can find. Obviously, like sand

0:59:18.880 --> 0:59:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Hills is a great example where they really only moved

0:59:21.960 --> 0:59:25.120
<v Speaker 1>earth to build one green on on the entire site.

0:59:27.520 --> 0:59:30.840
<v Speaker 1>I as you know, in terms of Scotland, what do

0:59:30.920 --> 0:59:34.560
<v Speaker 1>you think cool Links would do to elevate the general

0:59:34.600 --> 0:59:38.440
<v Speaker 1>area the Highlands as you spoke about, you know, in

0:59:38.600 --> 0:59:42.520
<v Speaker 1>terms of economic impact, it's an area where most of

0:59:42.600 --> 0:59:46.800
<v Speaker 1>the people that live there move away to work somewhere

0:59:46.840 --> 0:59:49.520
<v Speaker 1>else and then it sounds like come back to it

0:59:49.840 --> 0:59:53.560
<v Speaker 1>later in life when they are done working. What type

0:59:53.640 --> 0:59:57.800
<v Speaker 1>of impact with cool Links have to the to the

0:59:57.920 --> 1:00:00.560
<v Speaker 1>Highlands as a as a golf tour the market.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and it's such an important question of this whole

1:00:05.200 --> 1:00:08.320
<v Speaker 4>argument I think. I you know, this is not a

1:00:08.400 --> 1:00:11.120
<v Speaker 4>jive at you, but you know, the Americans perceive the

1:00:11.240 --> 1:00:15.120
<v Speaker 4>Highlands to be, you know, everything from Aberdeen to Dornut,

1:00:15.200 --> 1:00:16.960
<v Speaker 4>and it's such a long area, Like if I was

1:00:17.040 --> 1:00:19.040
<v Speaker 4>to drive from Aberdeen to Dornut, it's going to take

1:00:19.080 --> 1:00:22.200
<v Speaker 4>me three and a half hours on some interesting roads.

1:00:22.880 --> 1:00:25.680
<v Speaker 4>When I met Mike Kailer and Todd Warnick that day

1:00:25.720 --> 1:00:27.480
<v Speaker 4>and I was invited in to have a drink with

1:00:27.640 --> 1:00:31.360
<v Speaker 4>them and discuss the project, I actually asked Mike Kailers,

1:00:31.480 --> 1:00:35.440
<v Speaker 4>as somebody who loves Scottish golf tourism, is you know,

1:00:35.560 --> 1:00:39.360
<v Speaker 4>are your successful resorts at Bannon June's good for Scottish

1:00:39.400 --> 1:00:41.680
<v Speaker 4>golf tourism or is it taking people away? Are you

1:00:41.760 --> 1:00:44.360
<v Speaker 4>going to band in June's and you know, thinking about,

1:00:45.080 --> 1:00:48.200
<v Speaker 4>you know, having your golf fix, And you know, his

1:00:48.320 --> 1:00:50.600
<v Speaker 4>answer is very much like if people play band in June's,

1:00:50.600 --> 1:00:53.560
<v Speaker 4>they'll be inspired to come to Scotland. It's almost a

1:00:53.680 --> 1:00:57.080
<v Speaker 4>flavor of it. And he told me that day that

1:00:57.960 --> 1:01:00.800
<v Speaker 4>when he when he thought about creating Van and June's,

1:01:00.840 --> 1:01:04.520
<v Speaker 4>he thinks of his time at Dornach and the bus

1:01:04.640 --> 1:01:07.480
<v Speaker 4>loads of people arriving there and then leaving. And that is,

1:01:07.560 --> 1:01:12.040
<v Speaker 4>unfortunately scenario that Dorak faces. People driving these mini buses

1:01:12.080 --> 1:01:16.560
<v Speaker 4>and I heard today people nobody's taking a self drive

1:01:16.640 --> 1:01:20.320
<v Speaker 4>shift stick now in Scotland, despite the you know the rumors,

1:01:20.800 --> 1:01:23.400
<v Speaker 4>ninety five percent of some of these golf travel agents

1:01:23.480 --> 1:01:26.439
<v Speaker 4>are sending people on golf buses and being driven around

1:01:26.480 --> 1:01:32.320
<v Speaker 4>the country. But that's another point. Unfortunately, Dornick's like a

1:01:32.960 --> 1:01:36.160
<v Speaker 4>a day visit and it genuinely means people show up

1:01:36.200 --> 1:01:38.360
<v Speaker 4>there in the morning playing the golf, which is one

1:01:38.360 --> 1:01:39.960
<v Speaker 4>of the best golf coaches in the world. And I'm

1:01:40.000 --> 1:01:43.040
<v Speaker 4>sure one day we can enjoy that privilege together andy,

1:01:43.480 --> 1:01:46.600
<v Speaker 4>But they then get on the bus and they drive off,

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<v Speaker 4>they drive off to Mbness perhaps you know Tabot Highlands,

1:01:51.200 --> 1:01:54.160
<v Speaker 4>which is you know, formerly Castle Stewart is one of

1:01:54.240 --> 1:01:56.320
<v Speaker 4>my favorite places and it's great, but it's a long

1:01:56.360 --> 1:02:00.160
<v Speaker 4>way away. It's over an hour's drive from Dornack and

1:02:00.840 --> 1:02:04.080
<v Speaker 4>the economic impact of the golfer isn't really felt in

1:02:04.160 --> 1:02:07.960
<v Speaker 4>the town. And Dornock's one of these great towns. We

1:02:08.040 --> 1:02:10.520
<v Speaker 4>were lucky enough to be at the opening St Andrews

1:02:10.560 --> 1:02:13.000
<v Speaker 4>in twenty twenty two and you get a sense of

1:02:13.080 --> 1:02:15.880
<v Speaker 4>what a great golf town is. You were obviously recently

1:02:16.000 --> 1:02:19.240
<v Speaker 4>in North Berrick and Gullan and they're great golf towns,

1:02:19.320 --> 1:02:23.720
<v Speaker 4>and Dornucks another one, and I would really, you know,

1:02:23.800 --> 1:02:27.640
<v Speaker 4>I really believe that in addition to that area of

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<v Speaker 4>another top one hundred links golf course in the world

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<v Speaker 4>would turn that into destination really And unfortunately those people

1:02:36.400 --> 1:02:38.720
<v Speaker 4>that get to Dorac at the moment and get off

1:02:38.760 --> 1:02:41.160
<v Speaker 4>the bus and back on the bus don't make time

1:02:41.240 --> 1:02:44.800
<v Speaker 4>to go visit Brora. And Brora is famous for having

1:02:44.840 --> 1:02:47.600
<v Speaker 4>the livestock roam the course and the Highland cows and

1:02:47.720 --> 1:02:50.520
<v Speaker 4>the sheep that maintained the fair way just like golf

1:02:50.640 --> 1:02:53.800
<v Speaker 4>used to be in the nineteen hundreds, and it's one

1:02:53.800 --> 1:02:56.720
<v Speaker 4>of the best golf experiences anyone can experience. And a

1:02:56.800 --> 1:03:00.160
<v Speaker 4>lot of Americans don't experience it in they you know,

1:03:00.200 --> 1:03:02.360
<v Speaker 4>they're visiting Dornut and it's only thirty five or four

1:03:02.440 --> 1:03:05.960
<v Speaker 4>minutes away. So that that is the impact that an

1:03:06.000 --> 1:03:08.560
<v Speaker 4>additional golf course could have. It really would transform the

1:03:08.640 --> 1:03:09.760
<v Speaker 4>area into a destination.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think that's the thing is is you

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<v Speaker 1>just think of the logistics of a golf trip, right

1:03:16.640 --> 1:03:20.120
<v Speaker 1>and if you get to an area and you know

1:03:20.200 --> 1:03:24.440
<v Speaker 1>you're building your golf trip and there are two courses

1:03:24.640 --> 1:03:28.320
<v Speaker 1>right there to play, you are you are most likely

1:03:28.400 --> 1:03:33.360
<v Speaker 1>going to stay overnight. And I think the addition of

1:03:33.480 --> 1:03:36.480
<v Speaker 1>a of a cool links would do that for Dornic.

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<v Speaker 1>Especially like the way these things go, I've heard very

1:03:40.440 --> 1:03:43.480
<v Speaker 1>few and I think like maybe this should be considered

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<v Speaker 1>more often when people go to Scotland. Is like playing

1:03:45.720 --> 1:03:48.160
<v Speaker 1>a golf course a second time. It's like usually when

1:03:48.200 --> 1:03:50.680
<v Speaker 1>you start to figure it out and learn a lot

1:03:50.720 --> 1:03:53.000
<v Speaker 1>about it. But it's hard to like pass up the

1:03:53.120 --> 1:03:56.920
<v Speaker 1>opportunity of seeing six or seven to see three or

1:03:56.960 --> 1:04:00.480
<v Speaker 1>four if you played, you know, to every everyone twice.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think like the other aspect of this is

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<v Speaker 1>like getting one tea time at Royal Dornik is tough enough,

1:04:08.000 --> 1:04:11.640
<v Speaker 1>getting two, doesn't you know? That doesn't work for the

1:04:12.760 --> 1:04:15.600
<v Speaker 1>economics of the town when you can only get one

1:04:16.440 --> 1:04:19.360
<v Speaker 1>tea time, right, Like, there's there's more at play than

1:04:19.520 --> 1:04:22.640
<v Speaker 1>just you know, hey, people just aren't staying. It's like

1:04:22.720 --> 1:04:25.160
<v Speaker 1>they don't have a reason to stay, and that cool

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<v Speaker 1>links would give them an additional reason to stay and

1:04:29.560 --> 1:04:32.600
<v Speaker 1>and and potentially you know, really transform an area. That

1:04:33.120 --> 1:04:36.880
<v Speaker 1>that is from what I understand, I haven't been one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most you know, beautiful areas in the in

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<v Speaker 1>the world. As you said, Broers there, Golspie's there. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>there are there is enough good golf there. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think like one of the things that an addition of

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<v Speaker 1>a of a real you know, like I think like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's there's great courses that people know about,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know an elee a, but like there are

1:05:02.440 --> 1:05:06.160
<v Speaker 1>there are courses that that draw greater interest and and

1:05:06.800 --> 1:05:11.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, the Kaiser name, along with Bill Koorr, has

1:05:11.400 --> 1:05:15.120
<v Speaker 1>the opportunity to pull in a greater appeal to an

1:05:15.200 --> 1:05:17.200
<v Speaker 1>area and then all of a sudden you look at

1:05:17.760 --> 1:05:22.640
<v Speaker 1>golspeak cool Links, Brara and Dornik and it becomes a

1:05:22.920 --> 1:05:24.880
<v Speaker 1>potential two three nights day.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And I think that's the frustrating thing. Like we

1:05:28.040 --> 1:05:30.360
<v Speaker 4>know golf right and we are you know, part of

1:05:30.400 --> 1:05:33.040
<v Speaker 4>the one percent that you know consume your content and

1:05:33.520 --> 1:05:36.640
<v Speaker 4>love that. But you do have a great, a perfect

1:05:36.680 --> 1:05:41.080
<v Speaker 4>recipe in Mike Kaiser, Bill Kourr, Dornuk, Scottish Highlands Links

1:05:41.120 --> 1:05:45.440
<v Speaker 4>golf like it's a perfect cocktail. And unfortunately the opposition

1:05:45.520 --> 1:05:47.360
<v Speaker 4>and the people that have been clever on the opposition,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, they've dislabeled at golf. When I do believe

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<v Speaker 4>if you did, you know, ten minutes of research about

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<v Speaker 4>Mike Kaiser, ten minutes about Bill Kourr, you realize that

1:05:56.800 --> 1:06:00.560
<v Speaker 4>these people care deeply for an environment. They they build

1:06:00.640 --> 1:06:03.800
<v Speaker 4>golf courses with golf and great golf at the forefront.

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<v Speaker 4>They don't build any of the other bs that goes

1:06:06.480 --> 1:06:10.360
<v Speaker 4>around it. They they care for great you know, great golf,

1:06:10.440 --> 1:06:13.520
<v Speaker 4>sandy soils like that is there. That's their footprint, right,

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<v Speaker 4>And you know this more than me. And you've been

1:06:15.720 --> 1:06:19.160
<v Speaker 4>lucky to be in Bill Courr's company like that guy deserves,

1:06:19.480 --> 1:06:22.160
<v Speaker 4>you know, deserve you know, in the grand scheme of things,

1:06:22.240 --> 1:06:25.320
<v Speaker 4>it's not a big deal, but like his legacy would

1:06:25.320 --> 1:06:27.520
<v Speaker 4>be fitting to have a great Links golf course in Scotland,

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<v Speaker 4>which you think time is running out. You know, there's

1:06:30.920 --> 1:06:33.880
<v Speaker 4>not many sites left and there's not many opportunities left,

1:06:34.000 --> 1:06:37.640
<v Speaker 4>and you know, by all accounts, his routing is really exciting,

1:06:37.720 --> 1:06:41.040
<v Speaker 4>it's very natural, it's conducive to the environment. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>the the environmental impact of the golf course is going

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<v Speaker 4>to be less than one percent of the Triple s

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<v Speaker 4>I And it's really going to be greens and tea

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<v Speaker 4>boxes that are going to be maintained. And you know,

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<v Speaker 4>even even you know, landing areas maybe being preserved by

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<v Speaker 4>sheep initially just kind of help mitigate the fruit print

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<v Speaker 4>and the damage done to the environmental areas. But I

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<v Speaker 4>really don't think people understand like who you're dealing with

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<v Speaker 4>here in terms of people that care for the environment.

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<v Speaker 4>And I said this to you before we recorded, like

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<v Speaker 4>golfers do love the environment, like I love being outdoors.

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<v Speaker 4>That you love being out Gopher's very much part of

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<v Speaker 4>the experience and the days of golfers not being that

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<v Speaker 4>way I mean, I think, I don't know. I'd love

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<v Speaker 4>to hear your thoughts from that. In terms of, like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I think more and more golfers are enjoying,

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<v Speaker 4>enjoying taking care of nature, and I feel obligated to

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<v Speaker 4>enjoy the environment a bit more.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know, I mean, I think that's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the I think it is probably with a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of golfers a little bit more subliminal than upfront, but like,

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<v Speaker 1>to me, like one of the most beautiful one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that I love most about golf, Like there's

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<v Speaker 1>nothing I love more than a twilight round playing golf. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>I love playing by myself a twilight around and just

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<v Speaker 1>being alone in nature like and I think like the

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<v Speaker 1>golf courses that I personally am kind of drawn to

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<v Speaker 1>when I think about it, are often the ones that

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<v Speaker 1>that blend in with nature the most, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>are are really that embody kind of the natural features

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<v Speaker 1>that you would have encountered if you were just hiking

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<v Speaker 1>the golf course. And I think, like that's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>from all signs with this project. What's interesting is it's

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<v Speaker 1>almost a constraint where they have to be so environmentally

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<v Speaker 1>sensitive with their with the creation of the golf course

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<v Speaker 1>that it could yield, you know, one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>natural golf courses built in the modern era, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a fascinating you know subject matter, right, like the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of like building a golf course without disturbing the environment.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that there's been some some uh credit

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<v Speaker 1>to golf actually being a wonderful way to stabilize dunes

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<v Speaker 1>into preserved dunes because there's a aspect of the golf

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<v Speaker 1>course that has inherent benefit an interest in preservation of

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<v Speaker 1>the dunes land that these golf courses sit in.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and that's a huge part of the argument here

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<v Speaker 4>as well. I mean one person I haven't mentioned yet

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<v Speaker 4>is Chris Haspell, who would be the course manager who

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<v Speaker 4>helped build Castle Stewart with Gill Hans, who's built golf

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<v Speaker 4>courses in Scandinavia and across Europe, you know, being environmentally conscious.

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<v Speaker 4>This is a guy like Mike and like build build

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<v Speaker 4>things and shape things. Don't build things, they do things

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<v Speaker 4>very minimally. But yeah, I mean the current site as well,

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<v Speaker 4>despite it being you know, classed as a triple S,

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<v Speaker 4>I like the highest rating that you could have on

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<v Speaker 4>a site. It's very purely maintained the Scottish government that

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<v Speaker 4>managed this Nature scott They have dwindling budgets, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>I know for a fact my father used to work

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<v Speaker 4>for Nature scut weird enough and the budget that the

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<v Speaker 4>Scottich government set aside to preserve sites like this have

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<v Speaker 4>reduced and reduced and reduced to a point where the

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<v Speaker 4>Scottish government are now encouraging private investment. And part of

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<v Speaker 4>cool links is initiative here is to invest money into

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<v Speaker 4>maintaining this site and getting rid of evasive species. I

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<v Speaker 4>know Americans love gorse, but it's an evasive species. It

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<v Speaker 4>overtakes the links, and there's there's trees on the site,

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<v Speaker 4>there's other evasive species and it's falling into disrepair because

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<v Speaker 4>nobody's putting any proper money into it. And the cool

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<v Speaker 4>Links plan has, you know, investment into that. It has

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<v Speaker 4>investment into public walking paths. The greatest thing about Scotland

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<v Speaker 4>is you know, and they haven't been the right to

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<v Speaker 4>rome everywhere and this this is it like it's not

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<v Speaker 4>gonna be a gated community. This is They've got a

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<v Speaker 4>beautiful beach as it is. You can go in any

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<v Speaker 4>speech in Scotland and it's public and they are encouraging that.

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<v Speaker 4>They're encouraging wildflowers and all that to thrive. So if

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<v Speaker 4>it gets approved that there's a hearing in a couple

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<v Speaker 4>of weeks time, it has the potential to be special.

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<v Speaker 4>It has a potential to be inclusive. And that's what

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<v Speaker 4>I love about Scotland is how inclusive Scottish golf is.

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<v Speaker 4>And yeah, here's open because we know that people involved,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, care deeply and you know Bill Kerr thing

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<v Speaker 4>you've spoken to him. I've actually watched your content and

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<v Speaker 4>Bill talking about this. Bill looks for these landmarks on

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<v Speaker 4>the site and figures out ways to play around it

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<v Speaker 4>and not interfere with it. I mean, make them, make

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<v Speaker 4>them part of the player and experience, but don't ruin

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<v Speaker 4>them that they're they're their interesting subject matters. And I

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<v Speaker 4>don't think the opposition and people that look at golf

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<v Speaker 4>negatively understand that kind of philosophy, which is super frustrating.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I what in terms of if if this passes,

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<v Speaker 1>what would be the POTENTI still timeline for uh playing

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<v Speaker 1>golf there.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's quite quite quiet. I mean Chris Haspa

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<v Speaker 4>would be the guy, and who we need to answer.

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<v Speaker 4>But I mean, the plans are there, and the growing

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<v Speaker 4>period in Scotland is you know, that's difficult, and we're

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<v Speaker 4>seeing that with some other projects, you know, and I

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<v Speaker 4>know that you're you know, you're quite close to things

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<v Speaker 4>at Cabot Highlands and we have a short growing window

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<v Speaker 4>in Scotland, so that would be a factor. But and

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<v Speaker 4>there's no, there's not a great deal of work to

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<v Speaker 4>be done. You're not moving you know, you're not moving

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<v Speaker 4>thousands of tons of material. As we say, it's gonna

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<v Speaker 4>be a very natural golf course. So I think you'd

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<v Speaker 4>be looking at sort of two two and a half

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<v Speaker 4>years sort of from now where you can look at

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<v Speaker 4>getting something. And you know, I'm not too intimately aware

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<v Speaker 4>of the Kaiser model in terms of you know, the

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<v Speaker 4>the memberships that they hand out in these playing experiences

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<v Speaker 4>that you can have, but I don't see why it

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<v Speaker 4>wouldn't be you know, quite a short period really, given

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<v Speaker 4>that we have a sh or growing season, but the

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<v Speaker 4>actual build and again you're far more educated and what

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<v Speaker 4>goes into building golf courses in the timelines, but you know,

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<v Speaker 4>with with nature kind of not being interrupted too much,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't see why it would take too long. Another

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<v Speaker 4>thing to add theirs is also the fact that we

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<v Speaker 4>mentioned these other golf courses too. That we didn't mention

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<v Speaker 4>were ski Bow, which is kind of a links course there,

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<v Speaker 4>it's a little bit, it's sort of limited play, but

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<v Speaker 4>it's it's a links course, beautiful setting, the home of

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<v Speaker 4>Madonna's famous marriage to Cheyritory. But that's not that through

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<v Speaker 4>that put you off. And then then the news last

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<v Speaker 4>week that Dornuk's second golf course, Destruy, is going on.

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<v Speaker 4>There's some significant course improvements. So a lot of people

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<v Speaker 4>don't realize that Donald's got a second golf course, but

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<v Speaker 4>they do. It's not on the greatest pieces of land,

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<v Speaker 4>but they've purchased new land and they have plans to

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<v Speaker 4>improve that golf course. So I can't tell you how

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<v Speaker 4>how much you know, investment in an opportunity there is

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<v Speaker 4>here in Scotland. I don't think there's ever been greater

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<v Speaker 4>demand for people to come to Scotland. And that's another

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<v Speaker 4>case in this argument is to say, well does Scotland

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<v Speaker 4>need another golf course? That's the opposition saying that, and

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<v Speaker 4>again me and you know that, you know it's not

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<v Speaker 4>Eddie golf courses that Bill Coo or Mike Kyser golf

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<v Speaker 4>course and it's a Lynx course on incredible land. And

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<v Speaker 4>I think dun Barney here in in Saint Andrew's, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>opened up three years ago part of the true golf portfolio,

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<v Speaker 4>and they're already seeing like huge numbers of golfers and

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<v Speaker 4>they've only been open three years. So there's a huge

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<v Speaker 4>demand for golf travel, as you know, Andy, and I

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<v Speaker 4>don't see any scenario where this doesn't become an overnight success.

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<v Speaker 1>Seems like everywhere is sold out, so it's uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think like the big thing is it's

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<v Speaker 1>probably the portion of Scotland that's the least traffic, the

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<v Speaker 1>least discovered, and it's a you know, it even opens

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<v Speaker 1>up presents an opportunity for a reason for a trip

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<v Speaker 1>if Dornick isn't part of your itinerary, which is you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that that's the thing that you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Castle Stewart or Cabot Highlands is going to attract a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more uh visitors than in the future than in

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<v Speaker 1>the past, and getting people to just a venture a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit further north would be would be a huge

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<v Speaker 1>win for the greater area. So UH we will follow

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<v Speaker 1>this the story as it as it happens. Rue. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for coming on and UH and and giving us

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<v Speaker 1>the insights into what's going on with cool links.

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<v Speaker 4>Cheers any thanks.

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<v Speaker 1>Today's podcast was edited and produced by p J Clark

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<v Speaker 1>PJ Big Thanks. He's he's off to Phoenix this week

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<v Speaker 1>to see the Schwab Cup. It's gonna be fun. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you guys for listening. We'll be back later this week

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<v Speaker 1>with I think we're into a new another golf architecture

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<v Speaker 1>focused podcast, So we'll be back later this week and

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<v Speaker 1>talk to you soon.