1 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: This is the me Eater podcast coming in you shirtless, 2 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: severely folk bitten, and in my case, underwear listening to podcast, 3 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: you can't predict anything? All right, everyone, We're we're jumping 4 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: into part two of a two part discussion out of 5 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: Maverick County, Texas about uh, two things that that uh 6 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 1: intrigued me a great deal over the last few years, 7 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: which is Texas white tales case like big giant boxing 8 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: Texas and the culture around that and how they're produced. 9 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: And also um sort of a writer on that, which is, uh, 10 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: big giant Texas pigs. What's up a wild pigs? Why 11 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: is it that wild pigs are gonna come kill us? All? 12 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: We got way too meet wild pigs? But then don't 13 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: will let you go pig hunting? And what happens with 14 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: all that pig meat? What's up with shooting pigs from 15 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: helicopters and all that kind of stuff? Um, same gases 16 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: we had on the last episode talking about white tail 17 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: bucks and and growing white tails and wildlife biology and 18 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: ecology and all that white tail systems, um Ben Bennon. 19 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: All Right, So I don't want to worry out. I 20 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: don't want to wear out my welcome but I don't 21 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,279 Speaker 1: want to talk about pigs for a minute. I'll always 22 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: talk about pig. Okay, I know where to start. Well, 23 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: we've been doing down here what I can't like. Some 24 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: months ago, Janese and I were down here, not not filming, 25 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: We're just down here Glad handing Hank, socializing, and we 26 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: got the app with Ben here about white tails, and 27 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: he shared with us a piece of information that for uh. 28 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: For pretty much his entire adult life, dating back when 29 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: he was in high school, he's been involved in trapping 30 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: wild pigs and selling wild pigs to a slaughter facility. 31 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: Now on the lay little groundwork. If I say something 32 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: wrong or something that contradicts your understanding, jump in, honestly, 33 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: do some big background stuff. All pigs outside of Africa 34 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: are one species. So whether you're talking about a razorback 35 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: Eurasi and wild boar Berkshire, those pigs are all Whether 36 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: he's in Siberia or Texas, or California or Hawaii or 37 00:02:54,680 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: the Philippines or Poland or Romania. No, no, No. Sous 38 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: scraffa a highly variable species, but one species. They have 39 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: a lot of variations, but just like dogs, pigs come 40 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: in all kinds of shapes and sizes. The ancestral pig. 41 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: The ancestral pig is the what we what you here 42 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: referred to as the Eurasian wild board. Many many, many 43 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:30,399 Speaker 1: years ago, the Eurasian wild boar was domesticated and moved 44 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: around the world kind of in tandem with human beings. 45 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: So Polynesians had Eurasian wild boars that they got somehow 46 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: or another through trade or through catching them, and introduced 47 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: them to a lot of islands in the Pacific, and 48 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: they spread this animal around. They made a domesticated version, 49 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: many domesticated versions of SEUs scraffa, many domesticated versions of 50 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: the Eurasian wild board, the ancestral wild board. Meanwhile, the 51 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: ancestral wild species continue to exist. To understand that, think 52 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: about cows cattle. Cattle that we know today are cows 53 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: we know today are a domesticated version of an animal 54 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: called the orix. The orix is extinct, so the actual 55 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: real thing that was domesticated no longer exists. But we 56 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 1: have cows. In the case of pigs, we have the 57 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 1: kind we made and the kind that was there, and 58 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: they have morphologic differences. You can look at them and 59 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: see characteristics either their peer like you can go to 60 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: places and you'd be like, it's just a pure wild pig, 61 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: no characteristics of of breeding from human manipulation. And then 62 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: you have like a potbellied pig which shows a tremendous 63 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:53,119 Speaker 1: amount of human manipulation. And in all the gray area 64 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: between those things. The first people that brought pigs to 65 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: the news. So the pigs lived just about everywhere, but 66 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: not in the western hemisphere, so there were no at 67 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 1: at the time of European contact, before anybody from Europe 68 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: came over, there were no pigs in Alaska, Canada, Lower 69 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: forty eight, Mexico, Central America, South America. Sus scraffa was 70 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: not in any of those places. It came to be 71 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: in those places. Initially the initial burst from the Spaniards 72 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: and the Spanish would do things such as bring pigs 73 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: and put them on islands out in the Gulf of 74 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: Mexico and have sort of be like a larger where 75 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: you could have him out there. No you could go 76 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: catch them. Pigs would swim to shore. Um people would 77 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: just lose track of pigs, and a guy like Daniel 78 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: Boone's day, you would go out if you were going 79 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: out to to settle in the wilderness. You might go 80 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: out with pigs and just cut them loose, knowing that 81 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: they would fatten up around there, and you can kind 82 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: of just go find him and almost go hunt up 83 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: your own pig that was out fatting itself on the landscape. 84 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: And over the years we introduced many domestic varieties. Then 85 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: in the twenties, people started to capture the ancestral Eurasian 86 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: wild boar specimens of wild pig. Hunt clubs would capture 87 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: them and bring him and cut them loose on the landscape. 88 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: So when you look at what's going on in the 89 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: US now, you have some pigs that are essentially an 90 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: uninterrupted line from wild versions from the Eurasian wild boars 91 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: that were just brought here, caught a wild pig, didn't 92 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: manipulate it through selective breeding, and cut it loose. You 93 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: have escaped like feral domestics. And of course there's nothing 94 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: preventing these from all inner breeding. And so you have 95 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: this great mosaic of different sorts of pigs running around 96 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: on the landscape. What you just do to my thing? 97 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: Oh did I turn your you're in down? Yeah? The 98 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: guy Tom, the host I saw you might I thought 99 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: you might be man, you might be making yourself death, 100 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: but really need to turn into the rest of our stage. 101 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: He said, the stage is talking about pigs. By this 102 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: one lay some foundation because I think I feel as 103 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: though it's a not very well understood thing. I didn't 104 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: understand any of that before hearing it. I just saw 105 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: these are all just the same kind of pig run around. 106 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: They all broke loose from some facility a bunch of 107 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: years ago, and then he just took over Texas. There's 108 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: been wild pigs in Texas since I did not know that. 109 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: Probably an uninterrupted, uninterrupted line yeah somewhere, yeah, and supplemented 110 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: along the way through all sorts of things, like just 111 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: some guy, you know, like you got ten pigs, and 112 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: also you wake up and you got nine and one 113 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: of them. My old man one time went in on 114 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: a pair of pigs with some one and one pig 115 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: got away. Like this guy had property. He said to 116 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: my ole man. He goes, I'm gonna buy two pigs. 117 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: You pay for all the feed, and I give you 118 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: one when they're fattened. So my man paid for all 119 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: the feed. One got away, and then the guy's like, oh, 120 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: the one that got away, that was your one. So 121 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: there's a wild pig somewhere running around in Indiana. I 122 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: don't know if you survived. Um, pigs are expanding and 123 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: you feel that. But you say, your whole life down 124 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: here and this is like a this is a great 125 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:35,719 Speaker 1: pig habitat, Like wild pigs have been a part of 126 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: your life for your whole life. All right, So now 127 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: you talk about pigs, you can't give me something a 128 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: little more narrow down. What was your first did you 129 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:51,439 Speaker 1: first start dealing with? Well, let me ask you this first. 130 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: What's your perception of pigs. I'm the good to bad, 131 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: ten being satan and one being um, you know, like 132 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: a margarita. I mean I could I don't know if 133 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: I could put a number on it, but I mean, 134 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: pigs are it's more of a love hate. I love 135 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 1: trying to control the numbers and uh. But at the 136 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: same time, and I love just trying to annihilate every 137 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: single one of them because that's what you know. They're 138 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: They're so so terrible for the natural habitat. But at 139 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: the same time, it's, uh, if they were gone, I 140 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 1: don't know what I do, you know, So, I mean 141 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: it's it's uh. I found that again in again with 142 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: people who are involved in wild pigs. Is there's an 143 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: industry around controlling I think people have given up on 144 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: the idea of eradicating wild pigs. It can be done 145 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: on islands. I think it can be done on islands 146 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: of a certain size. You can eradicate pigs unless you 147 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: got some sort of disease like swine collar or something 148 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 1: like that that came in and just wiped him out with. 149 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: That would still be site specific, you know, to an area. Yea, 150 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: even on like the Hawaiian Islands, they're considered too big 151 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 1: for it to be even possible to eradicate pigs, but 152 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: you could. But pigs have been a successfully eradicated from 153 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: very small islands. Other net, it's not gonna happen. So, 154 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: but there's an industry around controlling pig populations. So here's 155 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: a good place if you start explain the fecundity of 156 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: a pig, the reproductive abilities of a pig. Uh well, 157 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: uh I guess uh sal is like in this in 158 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: this part of the world. They you know, depending on 159 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: the habitat, their direct reflective their of their habitat. If 160 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: they have a lot of food and our good forage 161 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 1: and plenty of water, and they stay healthy. Sal Can 162 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: usually have two litters a year, and uh, you know, 163 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: these that we have here usually have probably four to six. 164 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 1: You know, I wouldn't say, you know, less than eight, 165 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: but in some areas they're gonna have twelve and fifteen, 166 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 1: and usually they're gonna raise you know, the vast majority 167 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: of those that a high percentage I would say reach, 168 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:06,959 Speaker 1: will reach a year of age or whatever, will become 169 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: six months six months of sexual maturity. So in six 170 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: months of sexual maturity, so one sal can put off. 171 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: So it's not all lands to a sour put off. 172 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: In a year, twelve offspring, six females who within six 173 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: months are able to breed and put off. Yeah, the 174 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: same number of offspring. Now, compare that to what a 175 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: white tail deer can do, right, and white tails are 176 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: gonna breed once a year and possibly on a good 177 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,719 Speaker 1: year she's gonna raise two fons. And how old is 178 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: you gotta be to start down here? They they they 179 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: can breed it's six months and have fawns at a year, 180 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: can they really? But that does not happen very often. 181 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: It's gotta be fawn like a dear born in May. Well, 182 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: our our fawns are born in July even but which 183 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: is even later, which doesn't make any sense to that, 184 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: but they rout in December. They rout in December. But 185 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: so it's feasible that what it could be possible that 186 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: one could become pregnant. Usually what happens with that is 187 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: is it's a it's a fawn born early, say June 188 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: comes into and then that fawn will come into season 189 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: or u estrus in uh February and be bred in 190 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,959 Speaker 1: February and usually and that's what that gets back goes 191 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: back to the dear part of the of the discussion 192 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: as far as Mother Nature's way of saying, screw you, 193 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: because if you get the habitat on point and just exceptional, 194 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: that's what happens. Those dose are healthier, they breed a 195 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: little bit earlier, they have fawns a little bit earlier. 196 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: Those fawns have a tremendous amount of milk and uh 197 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: grow faster, and then all of a sudden they're coming 198 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: into season and then they're having fawns. Well, that's a 199 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: baby raising a baby, So her spring is set back 200 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: because that offspring is gonna be if she's born brand 201 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: in February. She's gonna in turn have them even later. 202 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, conditions so good that you're 203 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: deteriorating their the that's exactly right. Health and quality of 204 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: the animals, that's exactly right. But go ahead, well I 205 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: was gonna say, you know, if you want to touch 206 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: anymore on that or go back to the jump into 207 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to make the point out how quickly pigs. Yeah, 208 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: in the absence of control, that's a that's a word 209 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: a lot of people have a struggle with. But in 210 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: the absence of the control that pigs can become the dominant. Yeah, 211 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: they will take the creature on the landscape, they'll take 212 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 1: over everything. They I think they they're saying right now 213 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: that you have to you have to harvest se of 214 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 1: the existing population to have a negative effect on that population. 215 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: And this is the thing that I find the people 216 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: who grow up who's whose frame of reference come from 217 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: outside of wild pig country, such as myself, becomes hard 218 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: to understand that there's just a generally accepted thing in 219 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 1: and in wildlife ecology or wildlife management, or let's just 220 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: say it, generally accepted notion and environmental thinking is that 221 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: we should give precedence to native animals, So we should 222 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: promote the like the the endemic species of the Western 223 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: hemisphere or whatever particular area we have, and instead of 224 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: having like a homogeneous world occupied by just Norway rats 225 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: and Eurasian pigs and Eurasian pigeons in English sparrows, that 226 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: we should try to uh create an environment where native 227 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: wildlife can thrive. And doing that in places where pigs 228 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: were introduced long ago or recently involves trying to really 229 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: knock back and control non natives, because non natives aren't 230 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: from this system, and a lot of the things that 231 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: might step in and control them in a natural way 232 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: don't function, don't work. You know, English sparrows. If you're 233 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: in a grocery store parking lot and there's a bird 234 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: pecking around under your car, that's probably an English sparrow, 235 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: which was brought to the US to control, uh, thinking 236 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: they're going to control insects, and then you wind up 237 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: having a huge bird problem. And English sparrows almost drove, like, 238 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: for instance, the Eastern bluebird to extinction because they're a 239 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: cavity nest and they all competed our native bird and 240 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: the things that held sparrows in check where they came 241 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: from weren't didn't apply here. They they got here, absent 242 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: their predators and exploded. So's the general thinking that we 243 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: have an obligation to to cut pigs out as much 244 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: as we can, because we will lose many native species 245 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: and particularly native ground nesting birds types of vegetation if 246 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: we just let pigs go. Because they're voracious eaters. They 247 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: eat everything all right, from grass to bird eggs um. 248 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: And you've been heavily involved in that, controlling pigs on properties. Yeah, uh, 249 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: all right, Now tell me about just how you got 250 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: started and doing that. I guess, uh, you know, whenever 251 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: I was when I was growing up, we hunted, hunted 252 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: white tails, and pigs are always like a like a 253 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: like a side bonus, you know, because there was there 254 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: was no there's no laws, no limits. You could I mean, 255 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: all you have, if you have a hunting license, you 256 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: can kill them. So when we'd be hunting white tails, 257 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: and and I'd be sitting there with my dad and 258 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: we'd say and he says, well, you can't shoot that 259 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: one because that that deer is too young, that dear 260 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: is not big enough, this and that and this and that, 261 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: and then a pack of pigs comes in. He says, 262 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: here's a rifle, start shooting. There was no you know, 263 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: didn't matter. And that's kind of what got me all 264 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: fired up about them, because you can do whatever you want. 265 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: You can you can kill ten of them if you 266 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: want to. And it was that kind of that greed, 267 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: you know, and that hunter greed. It kind of started it. 268 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: And uh so, here's something you can go hunt whenever 269 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: you want, right, you can go hunt them any time 270 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: of the year, whenever you want. All you gotta do 271 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:20,959 Speaker 1: is have a license and somebody to say, yeah, you can, 272 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 1: you go on my property. And most of the time 273 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: everybody would say go ahead. For wild pigs. They wanted 274 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 1: to get rid of them because they were so detrimental 275 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 1: to grazing pastures for cattle, to cattle feed yards where 276 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: they're trying to feed them out, for for meat production 277 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: and for for the native wildlife, for for quail and 278 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 1: dear direct competitors here. Uh So, that that's kind of 279 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: what got me started in in kind of my uh 280 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: my love for for chasing them and in trying to 281 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: get rid of them or trying to kill him. I'm 282 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 1: not really trying to get rid of them, but it's 283 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: just fun to try because, like you said before, you're 284 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: never gonna get rid of Eradication has been I believe 285 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,199 Speaker 1: it's been sort of like in an academic sense, the 286 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: idea of eradicating wild pigs has kind of been ruled 287 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: out right. It's not like notwithstanding some technology that might 288 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: come out that would be probably very dangerous to deal with, 289 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: which would be like some kind of disease that we 290 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,719 Speaker 1: could introduce, or it's probably it's probably gonna happen. Right. 291 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: They're mostly just trying to, I think, just control their distribution. Now. 292 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: That's trying like they keep their range within Texas in 293 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: the southeast and not let its spread all over the 294 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: United States. I think that's like, yeah, controlling um limiting 295 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: growth of range and then controlling within that range, because 296 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 1: part of limiting growth is probably controlling within the range. Yeah. 297 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: And uh, the I guess the the ranch that I 298 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: grew up on that I mentioned earlier where I learned 299 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: everything I've ever known about white tails. Uh had river 300 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: bottom seven miles of of a major river, and any 301 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: in Texas, any any major river had held pigs. Because 302 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 1: his Riparian habitat, but also because floods carried pigs and 303 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: dispersed them into other areas. And yeah, flood well, floods, 304 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: you know, people would people would have a farm, you know, 305 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: in a in a pen of pigs next to the river, 306 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: and floods and they just washes them down the river. 307 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 1: So then it just populates further down and further down 308 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: until it's, you know, until they're everywhere, so that they 309 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: expand long river corridors. Correct. Yeah, that's a lot better 310 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: way to put it than what I said, better to 311 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: explains how it could happen. Yeah, but uh but so 312 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: that's kind of what I grew up on, and uh, 313 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: aerial aerial gunning didn't wasn't really uh a method whenever 314 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: I was younger, as far as shooting them from the helicopter, 315 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: and uh so the only real way to uh, the 316 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: only the only options people had to control the numbers 317 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 1: was was by hunting and trapping. Those are the only 318 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: two options. And shooting with a rifle from a you know, 319 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 1: from a sitting position or you know, just set setting 320 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: up on a field, or or or even spotting stalking, 321 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 1: you get one pig or two pigs in a night 322 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: and that's a good day. But it had not it helped. 323 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: It did not help have any impact on population control, 324 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 1: whereas trapping we could or you could, you can catch 325 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: multiple pigs. It wants family groups or whatever. But whenever 326 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: I was younger, my stepdad had two traps that he 327 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: would use to try to control control pigs. So I'd 328 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: go and help him and my mom set these traps. 329 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 1: Explain one of these traps real quote, Um, there, Well, 330 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: they're exactly what we're using right now. So there are 331 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: square square box trap made out of metal with a 332 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: gravity door that it's on a hinge it falls, Uh 333 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: you know, you put it basically you put a stick 334 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: under it with a with a trip wire and uh, 335 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: they hit the trip wire pulls a stick out from 336 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 1: the door the door. Gravity pulls the door down and 337 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: closes and traps and pigs. And then these are made 338 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: out like welded six and four inch welded welded angle 339 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 1: iron is the frame with with like cattle panel welded 340 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: inside the frame of the of the angler. And what 341 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 1: are the dimensions those things? Eight ft? But yeah, most 342 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: of them are eight to ten ft long and four 343 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: or five ft wide and usually three or four ft tall, 344 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: just just to demonstrate the efficacy. Talked about how many 345 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 1: you've ever seen get caught in one trap at one time? 346 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: I guess, uh, I've caught I've caught thirteen or fourteen 347 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: on several occasions. How do we have today? In one 348 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: seven at seven and one um the other day? I 349 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: get that gives you an idea, yeah, and the other 350 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: the other day and in an eight ft long trap 351 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: I caught I had five pigs over a hundred pounds. 352 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: Because you say numbers and then people are like, oh, 353 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: they're all babies. Well I had I had five over 354 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 1: a hundred pounds, so and then four that were forty pounds. 355 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: How many do so? Today we checked eight traps and 356 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: handled how many pigs? We had thirteen thirteen pigs today? 357 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: H h which a couple of those traps were. And 358 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: that's a few hours of work. Yeah, yeah, I'm up. Yeah, 359 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: I had today and yesterday and I've I've trapped eighteen 360 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: days this spring, had eighteen trap nights, and I've caught 361 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: uh one d pigs as of today exactly one hunter 362 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 1: exactly one h was ninety nine, but then I remember 363 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: we had one yesterday, so that's a hundred and how 364 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: would you trapped since you started trapping, since you started 365 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: keeping track four thousand seven or so. So now we'll 366 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: go back. So your old man had a couple of 367 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 1: these traps. Yeah, he had a couple of these traps, 368 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: and uh and it's just like, I'm sure what you 369 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:50,439 Speaker 1: experienced trapping up north. Uh, that whole catching or or hunting, 370 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: you know, trapping is just a different way of hunting, 371 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: and uh, where you can set something up to try 372 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: to trick an animal and then you go check it 373 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 1: in the next day to see if you see if 374 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: you're you know what if you could outsmart him and 375 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: catch them. And it's it kind of started out like that. 376 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 1: So I'd go with him to check them in the 377 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 1: morning and you pull up on that trap and there's 378 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: a hog in it, and it just you know, it's excitement, 379 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: and uh. Well then I had a mentor. And in 380 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: whenever I was a little bit older, when I was 381 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: first centered high school, there was an agricultural teacher who, 382 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: uh who trapped hogs also. So I I go on 383 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: the weekends and I go with my stepdad and trap 384 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: hogs with his two traps and catch one every once 385 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 1: in a while and we'd shoot him just two more 386 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 1: than it is more just to get try to get 387 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: get control on the population. So uh, the sagg teacher, 388 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: he started, Uh. I started talking to him, and he says, yeah, well, 389 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: I uh there's a U. S D. A inspected uh 390 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 1: slaughter facility in my hometown that I didn't I didn't. 391 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,880 Speaker 1: I mean I was thirteen or fourteen at that time. 392 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: I didn't know about it. And uh it had opened 393 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: in their early nineties, I think. And uh they would 394 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: buy live wild pigs and uh, you know, and sell 395 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: them they or they butcher them under us D inspection 396 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: and then sell them meat, mostly to other countries, a 397 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: lot of Europe Europe European countries. Um that they sold 398 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 1: all over the world. So these guys are buying wild 399 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: pigs brought in by trappers, slaughtering them under federal guidelines 400 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: and then they can sell them the public consumption. Yea, 401 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: they're exporting most of the meat, but they it was 402 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: all for human consumption. And you like wild game in 403 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 1: the country, like, you can't sell wild game. You cannot 404 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 1: sell any kind of wild game. Yeah, so when you 405 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: walk into a restaurant, you I'm talking to you the listener. 406 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: When you walk into a restaurant in America and you 407 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: see um venison, for instance, on the menu, or you 408 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: see quail on the menu, one or two things is 409 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: going on. It was either raised a farmer ranch under 410 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: like a livestock conditions, okay, raising a farmer ranch and 411 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 1: slaughtered as like a game farm. Or it was important 412 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: because most venison when you go into a restaurant, when 413 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 1: you buy venison, what you're typically buying typically is you're 414 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: getting red deer raised on a ranch. In New Zealand, 415 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: if you go and see elk on a menu in 416 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 1: a restaurant, what you're doing you're not buying elk. You're 417 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: buying yes, it's an elk genetically, you're just buying a 418 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: farm animal brought upon a farm. Um. That the fact 419 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 1: that you can't buy a wild game is part of 420 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: what saved American wildlife and it was part of a 421 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: big suite of wildlife laws. It went into effect in 422 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: the nine thirties when we were about running out of 423 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: wild animals and we're countering the impacts of commercial hunting, 424 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: market hunting. The fact that used to have like absolutely 425 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 1: unregulated hunting, and you would go out and shoot as 426 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:01,360 Speaker 1: many animals as possible year round to elm into markets. 427 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: So in New York you go down you buy Mallard 428 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: ducks and quail and passenger pigeons which are now extinct, 429 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: and deer meating no no, no, not buffalo tongues, stuff 430 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: killed on the wild and sold um pigs as a 431 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 1: nonnative or are a whole other category. However, you don't. 432 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: We don't sell um hunted wild pigs like you can't 433 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: when you go into a restaurant. You're not getting hunted 434 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 1: wild pigs from America. It's pigs that were walks through 435 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: the door of a slaughter facility, right, that's correct. And 436 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 1: how did that? Like? How old you needs that started 437 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: to do it? You know? I mean I was. I 438 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: guess I was fourteen because I built that first trap 439 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: and that was my that was a shop project and uh, 440 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,199 Speaker 1: metal shop, metal shop, and uh and I needed it. 441 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: I needed a project and uh and I said, I'm 442 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: gonna you know, my my stepdad has two traps, I'm 443 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: gonna build a third one. And that's when he wilded 444 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 1: the penny onto. No, No, that was yeah. I wasn't 445 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: a good welder back then. I can't. I couldn't wild 446 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 1: it a penny on anything. But now that's my new ones. 447 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 1: But uh yeah, so that that old that original trap. 448 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: I wanted a third trap and I was gonna start 449 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: that was gonna be my new economic venture for myself 450 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: for side job in high school. Was I was gonna 451 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,360 Speaker 1: start trapping pigs and selling them to this facility and 452 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: making a paycheck. And that's that's kind of what started me, 453 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: is that that was that was an idea that I 454 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: had because this uh, this uh shop teacher, the metal 455 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: shop teacher, had built this fancy trailer where he could 456 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: run him up a shoot and put him in a 457 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: trailer live very easily. And all these traps that he 458 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: had built were the rights, the same size and all uniform, 459 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: and he could, uh he trapped these pigs on the 460 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: weekend and then go sell them and he'd make you know, 461 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: a couple hundred bucks a week or a hundred bucks 462 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 1: a week back then or whatever. And I saw that, 463 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: and I wanted to do it. Don't wanted to try it. 464 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: So that's what got me to build that first trap. 465 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 1: So then I started trapping with three traps and a 466 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 1: cattle trailer that I pulled behind a single cab forward 467 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 1: ranger that was not meant for pulling any kind of trailer. 468 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: And I pulled hundreds of miles a week. And at 469 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: that age, well it I guess I started. I started. 470 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: Let me back up, haul on your own when you 471 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: became Yeah, haul on my own. When I was sixteen. 472 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: From fourteen to sixteen, I got my mom to help 473 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: me load the pigs in the trailer and then she'd 474 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: drive them and I'd ride the passenger seat to the 475 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: the sail the butcher plant and I'd sell them. And 476 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: then and she was basically she she drive the truck 477 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: and back up the trailer and then I'd load the 478 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: pigs and then are we talking about back then? It 479 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: was very small scale. When I was first started out, 480 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: I'm talking like I'd get a big, a big, uh 481 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: big company check for twelve dollars. It was yeah, yeah, 482 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: are two or three small ones. They weren't worth much 483 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: and uh and most of those checks were less than 484 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: a hundred dollars. And I was not making a dollar 485 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: a profit. I mean, I was way in the hole. 486 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: But it was fun and I was getting money back 487 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,959 Speaker 1: and it was just in the ranch. The prop when 488 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: you're like a kid that age, you play video games, 489 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: you don't make ship back. Want to ask you about 490 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: that games? Right? Yeah, exactly, and uh in the in 491 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: the property owners would be they they paid my corn 492 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: bill or my bait bill with no problem because I 493 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: was getting rid of pigs for him, and uh so 494 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: they kind of escalated from there. And then sixteen, I 495 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: started driving, and then I got got into shops metal 496 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: shop a little more and started building more traps. I 497 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: built my own trailer when I turned seventeen, which is 498 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: the trailer we used today, and then I used that 499 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: I built that shoot about the same time. And uh, 500 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: when I was eighteen, I graduated high school. Uh and 501 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: went straight into college three days after I graduated high school, 502 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: and uh, we happened to the little summer break they 503 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: give you. I went into summer school, summer summer college, 504 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: just because I wanted to. I hated school and I 505 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: wanted to get it over with. And you hate school, 506 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: take a different appron show off. Well, yeah, I I 507 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: hated school, so I went right back. Well, yeah I was. 508 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: I was literally out my senior year summer. I was 509 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: out of school for three days and I went right 510 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: back into summer school. I had academic scholarships and uh 511 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: for for summer class. Actually, so I went right into 512 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: that to summer school, and I'd have class from like 513 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: ten to three during the day, so I couldn't really work. 514 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,959 Speaker 1: I didn't couldn't have a nine to five job on 515 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: the ranch or on the on the is. I moved 516 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 1: in with my mom and my stepdad to live with 517 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: them through the first year of college, or actually it 518 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: was the first year and a half because I went 519 00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: to summer and uh so I had trapped, and they 520 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: didn't the ranch, the property owners didn't care. They wanted 521 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: to get rid of the pigs. Say let me trap, 522 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: So I I ended up building trap after trap after trap. 523 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: At one point that summer. Uh when I was eighteen 524 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: in college, I had twenty eight traps that I was 525 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: running from. I was eighteen and nineteen. There was a 526 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: one year period and that's when I started keeping count. 527 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: That's whenever I realized that, hey, something magical is happening 528 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: and I need to start writing this ship down and 529 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,239 Speaker 1: being volumes of hive, volumes of pigs. I learned how 530 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: to do this stuff right, kind of deal, And that 531 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: first year I trapped eighteen hundred. Then you're making money 532 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: then I was. I was making I was making like 533 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: four grand a month in college. And and this was, 534 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: you know, twelve years ago in trapping pigs, and uh, 535 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: and I didn't have the property owner paid my corn 536 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: and paid most of my fuel because I was getting 537 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: rid of pigs for him. So I was. And he 538 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: just still didn't run out of pigs. No, no, it 539 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: oh because after I caught that eight hunter that first year, 540 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: I never got more than four hundred after that in 541 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: one year, So it went way down. Like I got 542 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: all the dumb ones out of the way that first year. 543 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: So you went into it just an unexploited resource. Yeah, 544 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: no one had been going after him, poor Tom that 545 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: nobody had touched him. Yeah, And they were just they 546 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: were all naive and would go in any trap. You 547 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: didn't have to think about it or anything. The ones 548 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: that are left on that property, the big ones will 549 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: never be trapped because of me. Something happened where they 550 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: got out or something, you know, and they're then they're 551 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: smart now they will never if they see a trap, 552 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: they're gonna leave. What's what's the biggest wild pig you 553 00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: ever trapped? I got five? Right now, I've over three pounds. 554 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: So can you speak to and you have a great 555 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: amount of authority on the subject. No one's gonna question 556 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: your authority on the subject. Can you speak to for 557 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: once and for all the whole like pig zilla bullshit? 558 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: Like when a guy comes out and says, I killed 559 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: in the eleven or no, let's not even give him 560 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: that I killed an eight hundred pound wild pig. Will 561 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 1: you tell listeners what that man killed? It was a 562 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: domestic pig, straight up domestic pig. Those you know, feral 563 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: pigs don't get that big on you know, natural food. Yeah, 564 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: someone was feeding that pig and protecting that pig and 565 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: raising that pig up so that someone could then shooting 566 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: with a gun and say they killed eleven hunter pounds 567 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: or whatever giant they probably he was probably in the 568 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: wild and the in the hunter may not have known, 569 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: but he didn't grow up and get that way. He 570 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: was turned out for in my opinion, So of all 571 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 1: of that four thousand, what are so out of four thousand, 572 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: seven nine five wild pigs you trapped not in high 573 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: fence pig raising operations, but wild ass pigs born in 574 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: the wild, running around doing wild pig stuff. The biggest 575 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 1: one was I think it's three seventeen. There you have it. Yeah, 576 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: heater podcast. And now now I now I killed the one. 577 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: I killed the one that was bigger than that. I 578 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 1: killed one with my dogs. I caught one with my 579 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: dogs that without guts was three forty and he's still 580 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: not eight. No, he was four. That one was four 581 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: ten live and that was he. I mean, I have 582 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: pictures of him and everybody says he's seven hundred pounds 583 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: or whatever. And you what do you think? Do you 584 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: think that pig was just based on your impressions of 585 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: location and condition, you feel that pig got that big 586 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 1: in the wild. Yeah, he was just a flute. It was. 587 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,839 Speaker 1: It was an outlier. It was it was a year. 588 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,280 Speaker 1: I killed him in October and it was an exceptional 589 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,799 Speaker 1: uh fruit ear as far as the prickly pear fruit 590 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 1: and the mesquite beans, which are both nothing but pure 591 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 1: starch and sugar. And that's I have a feeling I 592 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 1: I attributed his size to to that. I think he 593 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: had the frame, a huge frame, and he just packed 594 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 1: on the pounds that that particularly a lot of body fat. Yeah, 595 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 1: what a what impact do you feel? Um? Let me 596 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: try to find out where're putting this? So in this country, 597 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,800 Speaker 1: when do people start feeding corn to deer? Man, I 598 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 1: don't know, Uh, Scott would know more than that. Way 599 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: before me, Yeah, people were using corn feeders to attract 600 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: and manipulate dear longer than your life. Yeah, yeah, I mean, 601 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,479 Speaker 1: I remember I remember guys talking about using using corn 602 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:04,320 Speaker 1: in the seven a niece in in you know, without feeders, 603 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: just pouring it on the ground. And I know earlier 604 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: we were saying that wild pigs have been here um since, 605 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: But did the practice of corn give us the the 606 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,799 Speaker 1: wild pigs we know now? The numbers of wild pigs 607 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 1: we know now? I think, I think, I think it's 608 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 1: a It's a definitely a contributing factor to the because 609 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: I I feel like we have, even on this place, 610 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 1: we have an artificial population that we created with through 611 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: feeding through feeding deer. Yeah, because it because it creates, 612 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 1: it just creates healthier, healthier females, which in turn produce 613 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: more young um in the absence of corn. This is 614 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 1: a two part questions. And the absence of corn, what 615 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: are the pigs eating and if and what percentage of 616 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 1: their diet is made up of corn that they're scrapping 617 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 1: out of deer feeding deer feeders. I don't I don't know, 618 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 1: uh man, I don't know if I could even answer 619 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 1: that they eat so much. There's such a variety in 620 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,320 Speaker 1: their diet as far as they eat anything from rotten 621 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: fish that came you know, that died in the creek, 622 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,839 Speaker 1: to you know, to two birds, to bird nests, I mean, 623 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 1: to the fruit the natural fruit that's produced on the 624 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: prickly pear and the mesquite in the mesquite trees. I mean, 625 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 1: they there's such a such a variety. I don't even 626 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 1: know how to everything. Yeah, they just they eat everything. 627 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: So I don't know how to answer, you know, what 628 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,719 Speaker 1: what percentage of their diet would uh would deer corn be? 629 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 1: Because I even do they are they subsisting? Are there 630 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,279 Speaker 1: pigs that subsist exclusively on deer corn or do you 631 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: always find some native vegetation or native matter? There's always 632 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: something different in there. There's always something different in their guts, 633 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: and they're they're simple stomach, so they don't they don't 634 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: when you open up, uh, when you open up their stomach, 635 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 1: most of the stuff in their stomach is not fully digested, 636 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 1: so you can tell what it is, and it's there's 637 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,799 Speaker 1: all sorts of things in there. So if no one 638 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 1: if again the situation I keep jumped into. I know 639 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 1: it's a really complicated situation, but let's like all people 640 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:18,399 Speaker 1: ceased to exist, people all die. Um, do you feel 641 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,319 Speaker 1: that there'd be a crash and pig numbers. I think 642 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,320 Speaker 1: they would slow down. I don't think. I don't know 643 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 1: that they necessarily crash, but I don't think that they 644 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 1: would increase as as fast as they are now. All 645 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,800 Speaker 1: there was this is ah, this particular property before I 646 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 1: got here did never fit and there was pigs here 647 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,280 Speaker 1: and they're running cattle and they're running cattle but there 648 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 1: and you guys when you came in here, though, I 649 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,880 Speaker 1: remember saying that when you came in here, there was 650 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 1: a shipload of picks. There was a shipload of pigs, 651 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 1: very few small pigs like babies, which meant that they 652 00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:00,120 Speaker 1: reproduction wasn't there, or they hit this hit capacity and 653 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,239 Speaker 1: weren't putting off big litters. Yeah, I don't know, don't 654 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,880 Speaker 1: put the brakes on like that. I think pigs dispersed 655 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,280 Speaker 1: before they would do that. I think they would disperse 656 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,800 Speaker 1: into the next you know, and and before it ceased 657 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,400 Speaker 1: to reproduce, they would just just move. And in our 658 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 1: neighbors are neighbors, all of our neighbors all the way around. Uh, 659 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 1: they put tons of hunting pressure on. So that's why 660 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,239 Speaker 1: I feel like that's why they were concentrated on it. 661 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 1: So when you came in, this property had never had 662 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 1: corn feeders on it, even a few years ago. No, No, 663 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 1: maybe a little bit, you know in December that somebody 664 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 1: might have came in and spread a little bit of 665 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 1: corn on the road, but not enough to make it different. 666 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 1: But it had a pile of pigs. Yeah. And another 667 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,920 Speaker 1: interesting thing about corn you were telling me about is 668 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 1: that right now, dear could care less about corn. Yeah, 669 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 1: they couldn't care less about corn, right right, dear, deary, 670 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 1: deary eat what they need. Um. The reason that corn 671 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,440 Speaker 1: works so well in the wintertime is because there's very 672 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:03,359 Speaker 1: little natural food, so they dear turn to corn. Uh 673 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,279 Speaker 1: this time of year. There's so much natural forage for 674 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 1: them in the in the brush, in the in the 675 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,800 Speaker 1: brush and the brows and the forbes that we have 676 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 1: growing right now, especially after rain like we have like now, 677 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 1: when it's so green, they don't have any desire to 678 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 1: come to corn, even though it's like crip candy to them. 679 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:26,359 Speaker 1: They'd still prefer natural brows. But the pig likes corn. Yeah, 680 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,279 Speaker 1: it pigs gonna take corn because it's easy way out. 681 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,160 Speaker 1: And then, uh, explain talk about the bait you'd like 682 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 1: to make into a trap. Yeah. I used two different ones. 683 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,239 Speaker 1: I Uh. I use just straight up sour corn, which 684 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,680 Speaker 1: is just corn with water and it just ferments and 685 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:47,239 Speaker 1: and turns rotten and it stinks. Oh yeah, and uh, 686 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 1: that one's that one is good. But the one I 687 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,839 Speaker 1: prefer is, uh is a little mixture that I've come 688 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,480 Speaker 1: up with. I read it in an article in a magazine, 689 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,520 Speaker 1: uh several years ago, and kind of touched touched it up, 690 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,160 Speaker 1: you know, manipulated it into my own sp now, and 691 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 1: it's uh, it's a hundred pounds of corn, fifty pounds 692 00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:08,160 Speaker 1: of milo, uh, twenty five pounds of sugar, three packets 693 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,440 Speaker 1: of Baker's yeast, uh about ten or twelve packets of 694 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:17,799 Speaker 1: raspberry jello, and uh three canisters of tropical punch kool aid. 695 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,120 Speaker 1: And mix that up in a hungry and I'll go 696 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,880 Speaker 1: get some if you want something, and uh, mix all 697 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,400 Speaker 1: that up in a fifty five gallon drum barrel and 698 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,320 Speaker 1: uh fill it with water until the water is about 699 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: ten inches over the top of the grain, and put 700 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,600 Speaker 1: a lid over it and uh with a small pinhole 701 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 1: in it, and it uh let it ferment. Let it 702 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 1: ferment in a six pack of beer just to speed 703 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,800 Speaker 1: up the fermentation project. It smells. It smells exactly like 704 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 1: strawberry strawberry Hill Boone's farm. That's how they make that. Actually, yeah, 705 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:57,120 Speaker 1: it just filter out all the other stuff. Too much 706 00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,160 Speaker 1: time did the need for cooking. Uh two weeks two 707 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 1: weeks this time of year, which is we're in We're 708 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:03,839 Speaker 1: in the end of May right now with about ninety 709 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,800 Speaker 1: degree days, so uh, two weeks of summertime in the 710 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:12,360 Speaker 1: sun is primo is prime Um. You can use it 711 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 1: earlier than that. The really, the main reason I use 712 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,560 Speaker 1: that stuff is to keep non targets like deer and 713 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,320 Speaker 1: turkeys out of the traps. They don't like that stuff. 714 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,320 Speaker 1: But it also pigs can smell it from such a 715 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 1: greater distance, and you the deer in turkeys don't even 716 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 1: bother your traps or come up to them, whereas if 717 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,239 Speaker 1: you use regular corn, you're gonna have a bunch of 718 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,200 Speaker 1: bycatch of in in stuff that I don't want to 719 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,440 Speaker 1: have to explain to somebody. As far as catching a 720 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,759 Speaker 1: deer turkey, which isn't legal. You have to turn them 721 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,200 Speaker 1: loose and it's not good. Yeah, so best puts on 722 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,799 Speaker 1: in there. They're not gonna eat. What was your bait 723 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:52,680 Speaker 1: like prior to find this recipe? Uh? I used corn 724 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,600 Speaker 1: whenever I was in high school, just straight just no, 725 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,399 Speaker 1: just straight corn. And I caught a lot of deer 726 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 1: really yeah yeah, and I and that was not sitting 727 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,799 Speaker 1: well with the property owner. So I had to figure 728 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 1: out how to do something different. And that's whenever I 729 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,320 Speaker 1: switched to uh, to sour corn, to just straight sour corn. 730 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,439 Speaker 1: And I I think I've figured out that I found 731 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,800 Speaker 1: that recipe right in that time frame of that of 732 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,840 Speaker 1: that first strong year round eighteen nineteen, whenever I hammered 733 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 1: that how much does it make? How much does it 734 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,480 Speaker 1: cost to make a barrel? Of that? It's a it's 735 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,759 Speaker 1: about a hundred dollar bill to make a barrel. And 736 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,080 Speaker 1: but that's a hell of a lot of bait. That's 737 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,120 Speaker 1: enough bait because I use it. I use it in 738 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,120 Speaker 1: in you know, very small amounts in tandem with something 739 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,680 Speaker 1: else or with with the sour corn or the regular corn, 740 00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,080 Speaker 1: and I'll uh so it'll last. It'll last me an 741 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,480 Speaker 1: entire trap season, which an entire trap season for me 742 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,480 Speaker 1: right now is about two months um and I usually 743 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,920 Speaker 1: do that in the springtime when it's still cool. Uh wintertime, 744 00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,920 Speaker 1: I don't have time because we're doing the deer deer stuff. 745 00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,520 Speaker 1: They don't have time to mess with pigs. Summertime, it's 746 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,000 Speaker 1: too hot and they die really quick. They overheat because 747 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 1: they can't still stress. Yeah, they stress out super super fast. 748 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,960 Speaker 1: And uh So I usually try to trap somewhere between 749 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,480 Speaker 1: February and the end of May. I usually try to 750 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,640 Speaker 1: do a sixty day sin in there. This year I 751 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:19,279 Speaker 1: didn't quite I only had eighteen trap days. But that's 752 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,600 Speaker 1: actually about you know, thirty five to forty work days 753 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,160 Speaker 1: as far as moving traps, prebating and everything. How many 754 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,000 Speaker 1: pigs did you pull off the first year he trapped 755 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:30,839 Speaker 1: this place, and how many pigs you pull off this year? 756 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,880 Speaker 1: It's that first year I had about three fifty and 757 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,279 Speaker 1: then this year I had a hundred. It's slowing down, 758 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,840 Speaker 1: the yeah, it's they're slowing down. Yeah. I like the 759 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,000 Speaker 1: way we're going right now. If I could do a 760 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:46,759 Speaker 1: hundred a year consistently, I'd bet that it would satisfy 761 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:51,719 Speaker 1: my bloodthirst without eradicating them. So I'd be happy with 762 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:57,440 Speaker 1: a hundred a year. Walk me through the sale process. Uh, 763 00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,360 Speaker 1: you load these things are trailer and driving down a 764 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,840 Speaker 1: real wild picks. Yeah. Yeah, and you get some serious 765 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,000 Speaker 1: looks driving down the highway with with a bunch of 766 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,640 Speaker 1: wild pigs in the trailer. So yeah, so what he 767 00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,920 Speaker 1: does he backs up a trailer. You got the trap, 768 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,560 Speaker 1: and you get a little shoot that's like a splice 769 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,000 Speaker 1: between the trap and the trailer with a ramp in it. Yeah, 770 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,440 Speaker 1: back it up, back the trailer up to the trap. 771 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,279 Speaker 1: So you can't be you're not logging these things out 772 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:20,760 Speaker 1: in the middle of the desert. I mean you're setting 773 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,640 Speaker 1: it like where you can get a vehicle to it, right, 774 00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,720 Speaker 1: you have to and then open the door to the shoot. 775 00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:32,200 Speaker 1: Pig runs out of the trap into the chute into 776 00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:36,200 Speaker 1: the trailer. Double door on the trailer. So you load 777 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,840 Speaker 1: more multiple hogs at one time. Yeah, So you have 778 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,360 Speaker 1: some up in a holding area and then you got 779 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,120 Speaker 1: an area they run into, and then you let those 780 00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:46,359 Speaker 1: in and yeah, basically acts like a storm door. Um, 781 00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,600 Speaker 1: honey tup? What honey tup? That's what they call him 782 00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:55,600 Speaker 1: in Alaska. Yeah, before you go into the house where 783 00:45:55,640 --> 00:46:00,719 Speaker 1: you take off your boots and then drive down the 784 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,360 Speaker 1: road to go to the place. Yeah. I usually what 785 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,480 Speaker 1: I'll usually do is I'll hold them up. I have 786 00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,000 Speaker 1: a pen that I have a shade and water in, 787 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,920 Speaker 1: and I'll hold them until I can get about, you know, 788 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,799 Speaker 1: enough for a paycheck. So I usually try to get 789 00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,080 Speaker 1: ten or more and uh if I get Sometimes that 790 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,919 Speaker 1: takes two days. Sometimes it takes five days. I don't 791 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:21,799 Speaker 1: ever let them sit in a pin more than five days. 792 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,480 Speaker 1: If I only have to, I'll still take him in 793 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,080 Speaker 1: after five days, just just because I don't like having 794 00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,080 Speaker 1: to mess with them in a pen as far as 795 00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,000 Speaker 1: taking care of them. And they don't want to feed them, 796 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:31,759 Speaker 1: and they don't want you to feed them out. They 797 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,840 Speaker 1: want them. They want them as wild as they can be, 798 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,279 Speaker 1: because they're selling them as wild, but sell them as 799 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:41,520 Speaker 1: wild boar. If they're castrated, they will not buy them really, yeah, 800 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,040 Speaker 1: because it affects the flavor of the meat. And what's 801 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,080 Speaker 1: the minimum weight they'll accept right now, it's forty pounds. 802 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,200 Speaker 1: That changes forty pounds live weight. I think they call 803 00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,760 Speaker 1: it uh. I think it's uh. I can't remember. It's 804 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:58,040 Speaker 1: it's all kilograms, but it's forty pounds right now, and 805 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,920 Speaker 1: sometimes they moved it up to eighty, so it has 806 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,160 Speaker 1: to be a minimum eighty, but right now it's forty pounds. 807 00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,080 Speaker 1: But right now for a forty pound pig, they're giving 808 00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,160 Speaker 1: you seven and a half cents a pound for a 809 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,040 Speaker 1: forty pound pig, which isn't even worth your time. And 810 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,120 Speaker 1: then what's the next what's the next step up? I'd 811 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,239 Speaker 1: have to I have to look. I think it's it's 812 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,120 Speaker 1: it's forty to eighty is seven and a half cents 813 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,920 Speaker 1: a pound, eighty two hundred is twenty cents a pound, 814 00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:28,120 Speaker 1: and then a hundred and one and up is thirty 815 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:32,480 Speaker 1: five cents a pound, and then one hundred to one fifty. 816 00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,239 Speaker 1: You get you start into head bonuses, so they give 817 00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,080 Speaker 1: you a bonus for per pig. Uh, So like a 818 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,919 Speaker 1: hundred to one fifty is a five dollars on top 819 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,080 Speaker 1: of the thirty five cents, So i'd be forty dollars 820 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,520 Speaker 1: for a hundred pound pig, and then a hundred and 821 00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,800 Speaker 1: fifty to two fifty is a ten dollar head bonus 822 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,120 Speaker 1: hit thirty five cents. Then to fifty and up is 823 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:58,319 Speaker 1: a fifteen dollar head bonus plus thirty five cents a pound. So, uh, 824 00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:03,719 Speaker 1: what is that? You get like a hundred and ten 825 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,719 Speaker 1: dollars for a real big one, um, whereas a little 826 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,520 Speaker 1: one you're getting three dollars, you know, So it makes 827 00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,239 Speaker 1: you know you always want the hundred pounds plus. I 828 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,040 Speaker 1: call those moneyhogs because you're getting forty dollars from money off. 829 00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,040 Speaker 1: For a hundred pound plus you get forty dollars. So 830 00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,040 Speaker 1: all these ones that are not worth not of sale price, 831 00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,600 Speaker 1: you just dress them out and bring them to families, right. 832 00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,840 Speaker 1: I usually give them way to families in need. A 833 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,520 Speaker 1: lot of families that I give them to. That's the 834 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,640 Speaker 1: only meat they get for the year. They can't afford 835 00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,879 Speaker 1: to go to the store and buy meat, and they're 836 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,839 Speaker 1: not on government assistance, so the only meat that they 837 00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,520 Speaker 1: get is coming from that cooler down there. And you 838 00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,400 Speaker 1: bring them to a dressed out, bring them to them 839 00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,279 Speaker 1: dressed out, and they'll bring it in their kitchen table 840 00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,440 Speaker 1: and set on their kitchen table and work on it. 841 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,720 Speaker 1: Just a gut it out pick yeah, the whole family. 842 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:49,879 Speaker 1: It's like it's it's it's a lot like the native 843 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,760 Speaker 1: villages up north. It's just everybody gets involved and nothing 844 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,920 Speaker 1: goes to waste. The ones you can sell, you bring 845 00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,400 Speaker 1: down there and you pull up in your trailer, and 846 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,640 Speaker 1: those things are getting slaughtered that day. A lot of 847 00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,600 Speaker 1: times they're getting slader that day, depending on what time 848 00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,440 Speaker 1: I show up. But I think they buy right now. 849 00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,879 Speaker 1: They're buying nine nine o'clock in the morning to noon, 850 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,440 Speaker 1: and they butcher into a five that day, and and 851 00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,719 Speaker 1: uh they try to do three hundred a day right now. Um, 852 00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,400 Speaker 1: they operate Monday through Friday, and they're doing about three 853 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,439 Speaker 1: hundred a day, or they try to try to reach 854 00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,839 Speaker 1: at least three hundred a day. And so I'll back up. 855 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,520 Speaker 1: I pull up there with my trailer, back up to 856 00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:30,800 Speaker 1: their to their uh offshoot or their unloading shoot, and 857 00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,040 Speaker 1: I unload all my pigs into that. It's like a 858 00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,600 Speaker 1: holding pin. We shut the door, and it has a 859 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,840 Speaker 1: scale on one end that has uh uh kind of 860 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,719 Speaker 1: guillotine doors on each end, so we'll run one pig 861 00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:46,719 Speaker 1: in at a time, and it's a balance scale that's 862 00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,000 Speaker 1: gonna trip people up. He doesn't mean guillotine legs, not 863 00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:53,399 Speaker 1: cutting the pig. Yeah, it's like a sliding door slid. Yeah, 864 00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,600 Speaker 1: so it's a sliding door on each end. So so 865 00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:58,360 Speaker 1: it's like it's like it would be like a square 866 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,080 Speaker 1: box where you open one in, the pig runs in. 867 00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:02,920 Speaker 1: You close that in, so you have one pig and 868 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,120 Speaker 1: close in the box and then it's it's sitting on 869 00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:10,439 Speaker 1: a balance uh balance scale and uh with with counterweight suit. 870 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,520 Speaker 1: So that's that's how the scale works. And you weigh 871 00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,839 Speaker 1: them individual pigs, one at a time until you weigh 872 00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,680 Speaker 1: them all. They you write down the weights on the 873 00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:23,520 Speaker 1: sheet and then the whoever is weighing signs the sheet 874 00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,880 Speaker 1: and then sends the sheet up to the main office. 875 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:27,200 Speaker 1: And you go up to the main office and they 876 00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,120 Speaker 1: cut you a check right there. Yeah, and they write 877 00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:34,319 Speaker 1: down they record the location the pigs are trapped. How 878 00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:38,440 Speaker 1: many days it took you to trap them? Uh, I 879 00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,880 Speaker 1: can't remember. There's a there's a handful of questions if 880 00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,479 Speaker 1: it was a wooded area, open area or farm land. 881 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,200 Speaker 1: What do they care about that? I don't know. I 882 00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,840 Speaker 1: don't I think it's just survey stuff. But it's a 883 00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:53,880 Speaker 1: it's a sheet you fill out every time. This is 884 00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:59,000 Speaker 1: this is what it Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's not 885 00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,640 Speaker 1: it's not you wouldn't all this open h for sure. 886 00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,279 Speaker 1: They're they're talking about like open fields for open And 887 00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,040 Speaker 1: the most you ever hauled into one trip, I uh, 888 00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,480 Speaker 1: that day I caught my best day, I caught forty 889 00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:15,239 Speaker 1: seven and I hold them forty seven that day. They're 890 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:16,759 Speaker 1: all big enough to sell, and I hauled them in 891 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,719 Speaker 1: a goose neck trailer. Forty seven big enough to sell them. Yeah, 892 00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,319 Speaker 1: So that was a fatass check. Ye, it was an 893 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,520 Speaker 1: eighteen hundred bucks or something. I think it's about it's 894 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:28,400 Speaker 1: under two grand. What's your reaction down at the slaughterhouse 895 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,640 Speaker 1: when you roll in with forty seven hogs? There's been 896 00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,919 Speaker 1: and they have a hard time getting enough guys trap picks. Yeah, 897 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,919 Speaker 1: as much as you hear about all the pis, Yeah, yeah, 898 00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,399 Speaker 1: because it's it's a lot of work. I mean, it's 899 00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,840 Speaker 1: he's y'all saw just you know, y'all saw just a 900 00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,080 Speaker 1: couple of days worth, and and that's on a you know, 901 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,400 Speaker 1: that's it's a lot of work for people, and they 902 00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,759 Speaker 1: just don't you know, in the in the people don't 903 00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:57,920 Speaker 1: like that kind of people don't like to work a 904 00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,399 Speaker 1: whole bunch, not that kind of work, not that it's yeah, 905 00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:01,719 Speaker 1: not that kind of They don't want to go get 906 00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,520 Speaker 1: stinky and then go get you know. They don't want 907 00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,960 Speaker 1: to use bait that stinks like ship to catch hogs 908 00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,279 Speaker 1: that then throw water and it smells like ship on them, 909 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:17,320 Speaker 1: you know, I mean it's yeah. So here, here's the 910 00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,000 Speaker 1: observation to have about picks. This is something I've struggled 911 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:25,760 Speaker 1: with for a long time. Oh, no matter what source 912 00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:32,799 Speaker 1: it is, whether it's newspapers, nightly news programs, outdoor television, 913 00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:39,520 Speaker 1: you get the sense that, holy shit, wild pigs are 914 00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:44,960 Speaker 1: gonna kill us all but timing Again, I hear from 915 00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,640 Speaker 1: people who say, man, would I love to go hunt 916 00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:57,600 Speaker 1: wild pigs? It's so expensive? Why is it? Why do 917 00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:01,040 Speaker 1: people Why are people able to chart for pig hunts? 918 00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,719 Speaker 1: You know? When that's changing, I don't know if that's 919 00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,920 Speaker 1: that way anymore. Yeah, they're they're not that expensive down here. Um, 920 00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,480 Speaker 1: but you go online and typing pig hunts, the top 921 00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:18,040 Speaker 1: thousand hits are gonna be you paying someone to hunt pigs. Yeah. 922 00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:22,120 Speaker 1: Meanwhile you're getting paid to hunt pigs. Yeah, what's going 923 00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,120 Speaker 1: on there? Do you understand Do you understand the question? 924 00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,759 Speaker 1: You know, maybe not ask the question. No, Chris, you 925 00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:35,800 Speaker 1: haven't said it word. Ask my question. Uh. Why is 926 00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,200 Speaker 1: it that you could get paid to trap a pig, 927 00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,680 Speaker 1: but if you want to shoot it, you gotta pay 928 00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,120 Speaker 1: to do it if you don't have land. He wants 929 00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,359 Speaker 1: paying attention. Yeah, why are there not farmers out there 930 00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,680 Speaker 1: with a big sign that says welcome hunters because the 931 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,040 Speaker 1: general public or idiots and they don't want them on 932 00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:59,040 Speaker 1: their property for the most part, the people. Yeah, exactly, 933 00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,120 Speaker 1: that's a great way to put it. That's what it is. Yeah, 934 00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:09,240 Speaker 1: it's gotta be uh. And and it's just the commercial 935 00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,759 Speaker 1: The people that are selling the pigs, they're doing it 936 00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:17,799 Speaker 1: for financial game for themselves. They're buying pigs, importing them 937 00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:22,120 Speaker 1: into their property for sale. There's very few people that 938 00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:28,879 Speaker 1: have pigs accidentally that are selling pig huns. Oh, yeah, 939 00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:30,320 Speaker 1: because that's the thing you were telling me. Are you 940 00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:34,440 Speaker 1: able to talk about that? Did some guys A whisper 941 00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,799 Speaker 1: to you that some guys track pigs and some don't 942 00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,480 Speaker 1: place the higher for pig huns? Yeah, yeah, I mean 943 00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:44,400 Speaker 1: it's it's I've been approached about it several times, and 944 00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,440 Speaker 1: I've done it a few times back a long time 945 00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:52,360 Speaker 1: ago and beyond the statue. Yeah, and I don't do 946 00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,120 Speaker 1: it anymore just because it's a it's ethics things to myself. 947 00:54:55,600 --> 00:55:00,360 Speaker 1: But there's laws against transporting live wild pigs and turning 948 00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:07,680 Speaker 1: them loose alive for even for any purpose. Well, uh, 949 00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:12,279 Speaker 1: it's illegal, but it's not a game animal. So the 950 00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:17,399 Speaker 1: Game Department does not enforce that law. It's a uh, 951 00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,840 Speaker 1: what do you call it? A federal thing. Yeah, it's U. 952 00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,520 Speaker 1: S d A. But it's uh, there's a it's U. 953 00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:26,960 Speaker 1: S d A in enforced, but they don't have someone 954 00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:31,040 Speaker 1: that actually enforces it even though it is a law. Um, 955 00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,200 Speaker 1: but there's I can't remember what it is. The Animal 956 00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:39,400 Speaker 1: Health Commission is is kind of a big part of that. 957 00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,440 Speaker 1: So if you called them and said, hey, man, can 958 00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,239 Speaker 1: I bring a bunch of pigs over and sell them 959 00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,800 Speaker 1: to a guy who's gonna then sell them to hunters online? 960 00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,680 Speaker 1: They would say nope, but no one's gonna actually stop 961 00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:54,200 Speaker 1: him exactly exactly. And a guy when you go online, 962 00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:58,840 Speaker 1: he's like night Vision pig hunts. He's buying those pigs 963 00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:04,400 Speaker 1: for I'm a trapper. Most someone putting him into his 964 00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:10,520 Speaker 1: Penn facility, then telling Joe Blow from online, we got 965 00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:14,279 Speaker 1: a serious pig problem down here in Texas. Come down 966 00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:18,040 Speaker 1: and get a you know, all dressed up in tactical 967 00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,200 Speaker 1: gear and come out and shoot these here pigs that 968 00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,400 Speaker 1: is bought. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, that's what it boils 969 00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:31,440 Speaker 1: down to you because questions about that. Here we go, 970 00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:37,640 Speaker 1: now that you're exhausted, there's a there's a there's another 971 00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,399 Speaker 1: man in the room. I'm not gonna identify him because 972 00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,359 Speaker 1: he's just hanging out. Maybe he's actually cooked this dinner. 973 00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:47,120 Speaker 1: He's having a cold beer. Um, sir, does all of 974 00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,000 Speaker 1: this sound like this? Does all of this you're born 975 00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:54,600 Speaker 1: and raised in Texas, worked in law enforcement? Does does 976 00:56:54,640 --> 00:57:00,239 Speaker 1: all the stuff we're talking about sound accurate? Trap and 977 00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:04,640 Speaker 1: relocated to a ranch, but they have to go directly 978 00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,879 Speaker 1: to that ranch. The ranch has to be inspected by 979 00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,480 Speaker 1: the USDA inspector to make sure that the pigs that 980 00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:15,800 Speaker 1: are relocated there cannot get out of that forever fans. 981 00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,080 Speaker 1: And if it's a board, has to be castrated before 982 00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:22,280 Speaker 1: they get released. That I thought it was. It was 983 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:28,960 Speaker 1: castrated bore is only no females? Yeah, Okay, So people 984 00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:34,240 Speaker 1: can hear that, so sum that up. Well, so we're 985 00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:37,040 Speaker 1: just saying it and to integrate what he was saying 986 00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:38,680 Speaker 1: to what you were saying and the whole picture. And 987 00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:40,880 Speaker 1: I know, and I know exactly what he what what 988 00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,360 Speaker 1: he's what he's talking about, that there is a there 989 00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:48,640 Speaker 1: is a there. The sale of pigs for commercial hunting 990 00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:52,400 Speaker 1: is possible, but the facility that the pigs are turned 991 00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:56,640 Speaker 1: out and has to be inspected to be considered pig proof. 992 00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,920 Speaker 1: And the only pigs that are allowed to be transported 993 00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:04,000 Speaker 1: and released for hunting are castrated males. Females are not 994 00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:08,600 Speaker 1: allowed to be released for hunting purposes. So you go 995 00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:10,479 Speaker 1: into a place and shoot a pig and it doesn't 996 00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:12,800 Speaker 1: have any nuts. That's what I was gonna say. Something 997 00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:14,960 Speaker 1: that's going on, you bunch of money, and he will 998 00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,280 Speaker 1: up to your nutless pig and you're like, how'd that happened? Yeah, 999 00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:20,240 Speaker 1: you probably could have got a better deal going to 1000 00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,480 Speaker 1: hunt one of my brother's lambs. But again again, nobody 1001 00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,960 Speaker 1: enforces that. You know, there's no division, there's no but 1002 00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:31,320 Speaker 1: no division to enforce that that law is being followed. 1003 00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,600 Speaker 1: Do you believe that, sir? He's nodding, yes, the law 1004 00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:39,960 Speaker 1: are are are our experts are law enforcement. Individual is 1005 00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:43,560 Speaker 1: nodding that he agrees that there's not enforcement on that um. 1006 00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,920 Speaker 1: But for trophy purposes, you probably get a nice trophy 1007 00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,600 Speaker 1: out of a castrated board, right. The castrated boars are 1008 00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:54,360 Speaker 1: are are perfect trophies because the meat is great and 1009 00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:59,400 Speaker 1: they usually there. Their teeth grow differently when you're when 1010 00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,400 Speaker 1: they're castrated, they call them barred hard. Yeah, they're barred. 1011 00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:07,800 Speaker 1: So they when a when a when a board has testosterone, 1012 00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:09,080 Speaker 1: I'll tell you how it was put to by me 1013 00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,360 Speaker 1: or not how it was put to me. Yeah, go ahead. 1014 00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:15,800 Speaker 1: That it takes their mind off of grass, that it 1015 00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,640 Speaker 1: takes their mind off of ass and puts it onto grass. Right, 1016 00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:24,040 Speaker 1: But I'm talking about their teeth for trophy. For trophy purposes, 1017 00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:27,480 Speaker 1: I'm talking about their teeth growth changes when you castrated, 1018 00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:31,760 Speaker 1: when you bar a pig, they the testosterone is what 1019 00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:36,640 Speaker 1: keeps the top teeth growing to uh to sharpen the 1020 00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:40,280 Speaker 1: bottom teeth. So when you when you take away that 1021 00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:46,120 Speaker 1: testosterone influx, their bottom teeth continue to grow without being 1022 00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,600 Speaker 1: sharpened down. Which one which is the cutter? When people 1023 00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,880 Speaker 1: say that wet is on top, that's the sharp stone. Yeah, 1024 00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:56,360 Speaker 1: and uh, and that's the one. I believe that one 1025 00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:59,840 Speaker 1: stops growing whenever they're castrated, and the bottoms just continue 1026 00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:03,600 Speaker 1: to grow to enormous links. He starts to look more vicious, 1027 01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:07,240 Speaker 1: but in temperament he's not vicious. It's all smoken mirrors 1028 01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:09,640 Speaker 1: on the wall. When you got his mouth open and 1029 01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:13,320 Speaker 1: his hair all standing up. People walking office look at 1030 01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,720 Speaker 1: that thing, and little do they know there was a 1031 01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:24,120 Speaker 1: eunuch exactly Yeah, a eunuch who who just thinks about grass. Yeah, 1032 01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:30,320 Speaker 1: it's exactly right. Oh my god, I don't even know 1033 01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:31,640 Speaker 1: what to say. I need to take a break this. 1034 01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:37,440 Speaker 1: Like the pig, I think it's someone I think that 1035 01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:41,600 Speaker 1: someday a historian. It's just gonna need to just do 1036 01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:48,240 Speaker 1: like a big investigation and take a very careful look, 1037 01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,760 Speaker 1: just like wild pigs in America, and hopefully do a 1038 01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,760 Speaker 1: different story than wild pigs are gonna kill us all 1039 01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,160 Speaker 1: or so so shot in the eleven hunter pounds super pig. 1040 01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:07,080 Speaker 1: But like, it just seems a very rich field to 1041 01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,919 Speaker 1: tap into. And it's the thing, it's just a huge 1042 01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:15,360 Speaker 1: resource that we can there's gotta be a niche that 1043 01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,480 Speaker 1: we can put it into. Even though it doesn't. It's 1044 01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,320 Speaker 1: it's not native and it didn't have one. There's gotta 1045 01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,240 Speaker 1: be something that we can you know, we can benefit 1046 01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,480 Speaker 1: from it. In California, it's a flat out game animal. 1047 01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,480 Speaker 1: And see that by a tag. You gotta put that 1048 01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:32,800 Speaker 1: tag on the damn pick. It's like a non residence 1049 01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:34,880 Speaker 1: like seventi five bucks. It's a They don't have a 1050 01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:38,360 Speaker 1: lot of game like you know native game is not. Yeah, 1051 01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,520 Speaker 1: actually they don't have a lot of games. It's not 1052 01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,040 Speaker 1: a great hunt that's gonna not awful for people live 1053 01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:46,720 Speaker 1: in California. I have hunted in California. It's just like 1054 01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:51,640 Speaker 1: relative to other Western states, it's not a great hunting state. 1055 01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,840 Speaker 1: They have picks. It's a tremendous amount of interesting picks. 1056 01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:56,560 Speaker 1: People like to hunt wild picks. They like to eat 1057 01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:58,920 Speaker 1: wild pigs. I love to hunt eat wild pigs. And 1058 01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,440 Speaker 1: they treat like game animal. It's none of this like 1059 01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:06,120 Speaker 1: nin game do whatever you want and uh and treating 1060 01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,360 Speaker 1: him like a game animal is it's creating them. In 1061 01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:12,480 Speaker 1: my opinion, it's uh, it's the reverse effect that like 1062 01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,600 Speaker 1: you're talking about earlier with deer. Now back in the 1063 01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:19,160 Speaker 1: when the market hunting was going on and we in play, 1064 01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:23,160 Speaker 1: We put into place all these laws to protect, protect 1065 01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:27,000 Speaker 1: and put value on game animals. So people started protecting 1066 01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:30,880 Speaker 1: them and now there's more than there's ever been. Well, pigs, 1067 01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:33,520 Speaker 1: people are starting to put value on them as a 1068 01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:37,800 Speaker 1: hunting animal in commercial hunt commercial commercially hunt them, and uh, 1069 01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:42,840 Speaker 1: that's creating a reverse effect, is there's they're overpopulating, They're 1070 01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,680 Speaker 1: growing to a point where we can't control them because 1071 01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:51,960 Speaker 1: there's enough people out there protecting them. Are you aware 1072 01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:56,760 Speaker 1: that a handful of states in the eastern US have 1073 01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:02,400 Speaker 1: made it illegal one or a handful, No, it's a 1074 01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:08,640 Speaker 1: handful and not hunt pigs. Yeah, it's thinking that, thinking 1075 01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:11,920 Speaker 1: that by making it illegal to hunt wild pigs, you 1076 01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:15,960 Speaker 1: would interfere with the introduction of wild pigs for the 1077 01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,760 Speaker 1: sake of hunting, because like with California, and they traced 1078 01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:20,960 Speaker 1: back a certain strain of wild pigs they have there, 1079 01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:24,320 Speaker 1: they were brought in hunt. Well, that's Oklahoma is going 1080 01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,720 Speaker 1: through a big, big deal about that right now, about 1081 01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:30,560 Speaker 1: a law change about something about hunting pigs at night 1082 01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:33,360 Speaker 1: or something like that. They're thinking that it would help 1083 01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,200 Speaker 1: eradicate the pigs, and all it's actually gonna do is 1084 01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:39,480 Speaker 1: create more problems for law enforcement. Um there there. I 1085 01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:42,800 Speaker 1: believe the law was something along the lines of you 1086 01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:48,440 Speaker 1: can hunt pigs at night without a license, And the 1087 01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:50,680 Speaker 1: way the law is read now in Oklahoma, you have 1088 01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:52,920 Speaker 1: to have a license to hunt anything, and you have 1089 01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:56,439 Speaker 1: to you cannot hunt anything at night. So that's gonna 1090 01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:59,320 Speaker 1: cause a whole new can of worms for law enforcement 1091 01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:03,480 Speaker 1: to enforce his laws. And Uh, but no, I I agree. 1092 01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:06,360 Speaker 1: I think that's a good way if you really wanted 1093 01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:10,920 Speaker 1: to get rid of them. Two, make it illegal to 1094 01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:15,400 Speaker 1: commercially hunt pigs, to charge people to hunt pigs. That 1095 01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,200 Speaker 1: would be a good way to slow down their de 1096 01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,000 Speaker 1: incentivised people to shelter pigs, if you were serious about 1097 01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:22,880 Speaker 1: getting rid of pigs, if you were serious about getting 1098 01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:29,480 Speaker 1: rid of not only shelter, but transport, transport, foster the 1099 01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:32,720 Speaker 1: growth of That's exactly right, is helicopter hunting for pigs 1100 01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:39,480 Speaker 1: sport or control depends on who's shooting. Uh, wouldn't exist 1101 01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:43,560 Speaker 1: outside of recreational hunting. Oh yeah, it did way before 1102 01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,920 Speaker 1: all they started charging. I'm really surprised they actually Uh 1103 01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:50,320 Speaker 1: Like in Texas that law just passed. Uh it's been 1104 01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:53,000 Speaker 1: recent years that it passed where you could actually sell 1105 01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:57,160 Speaker 1: hunts to the public to shoot pigs out of a helicopter. 1106 01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,640 Speaker 1: They were doing helicopter cooling before they were doing it 1107 01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,440 Speaker 1: was a helicopter like you didn't You couldn't pay somebody 1108 01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,840 Speaker 1: to go do it you. You would have a landowner 1109 01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:10,040 Speaker 1: pay the helicopter time and invite guests to do it. 1110 01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:14,960 Speaker 1: But it was illegal. You couldn't advertise a helicopter hunt 1111 01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:17,760 Speaker 1: until a few years ago. Um, you couldn't advertise on 1112 01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,000 Speaker 1: a on an outfitter's website. He couldn't say, hey, come 1113 01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:21,840 Speaker 1: out and hunt with me in my helicopter. So what 1114 01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:25,920 Speaker 1: gave birth to the helicopter hunt for hogs just, uh, 1115 01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:27,920 Speaker 1: fast way to shoot a bunch of pigs, fast way 1116 01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:31,320 Speaker 1: to shoot you knows. Just the bloodthirst blood thirst of people. 1117 01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:35,040 Speaker 1: But it wasn't a control mechanism. It's I mean, it 1118 01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:37,320 Speaker 1: started as control, but people were having so much fun 1119 01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,520 Speaker 1: They're like, hey, we can charge for this, you know, 1120 01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:41,320 Speaker 1: let's figure out a way to get this. But it 1121 01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:43,440 Speaker 1: started out like the same way they do like aerial 1122 01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,280 Speaker 1: wolf control and Alaska started out like part of someone's 1123 01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:49,959 Speaker 1: job is to go out and reduce the numbers of pigs. 1124 01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:51,960 Speaker 1: A very effective way of doing that is a shooting 1125 01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:53,840 Speaker 1: from a helicopter. Right, It's just like it would be 1126 01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,040 Speaker 1: like me starting to charge people to come out here 1127 01:05:56,080 --> 01:06:00,400 Speaker 1: and run my traps. It's similar situation. It's just a 1128 01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:05,400 Speaker 1: lot more fun with helicopter. So, uh, what's meat recovery 1129 01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:09,720 Speaker 1: like with helicopter shooting. I most people that I know don't. 1130 01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:12,480 Speaker 1: They might keep one or two and they run them 1131 01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:14,080 Speaker 1: to a field and shoot them in a field or 1132 01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,080 Speaker 1: something so they can them. Yeah, but most, for the 1133 01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:18,160 Speaker 1: most part, they just leave them lay. Just can't retrieve 1134 01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:20,760 Speaker 1: them now because you can't you know, you can't get 1135 01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:24,040 Speaker 1: to them uh in in Uh, you can't get to 1136 01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:25,720 Speaker 1: them with a vehicle. You could walk in and pack 1137 01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:29,320 Speaker 1: them out, but they're shooting, you know, a hundred or 1138 01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:33,320 Speaker 1: even two hundred or three hundred a day, and there's nobody, 1139 01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:35,240 Speaker 1: you know, and if it's hot, there's no way that 1140 01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:38,520 Speaker 1: meat is gonna stay good. Drop a little smoke canisters too, 1141 01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:41,520 Speaker 1: right yeah. Yeah, And I mean I've shot him, I've 1142 01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:44,560 Speaker 1: ran them out into fields, uh and shot him with 1143 01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:47,000 Speaker 1: a with a helicopter with the intention of going back 1144 01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:50,360 Speaker 1: and getting those pigs to eat. And by the time 1145 01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:52,880 Speaker 1: we're done flying for that day. I go back and 1146 01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,280 Speaker 1: get them in either the vultures have started or they're 1147 01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:59,240 Speaker 1: they're they're no good. This meat spoiled there. It's too hot. Yeah, 1148 01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:02,160 Speaker 1: it's too hot. Even in the wintertime. If you don't 1149 01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:04,959 Speaker 1: gut something down here, it's not it doesn't get cold 1150 01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:08,960 Speaker 1: in South Texas. Uh, in the wintertime. Even it's cold 1151 01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:12,360 Speaker 1: for us, but it's not cold enough to sustain a 1152 01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:16,400 Speaker 1: ungutted animal for more than a few hours. If that 1153 01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:20,560 Speaker 1: does that, they spoil that fast. Yeah, even in the wintertime. 1154 01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:23,439 Speaker 1: What are the best we were over the last few days, 1155 01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:26,680 Speaker 1: Like we we've been talking about meat quality on pigs. 1156 01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:29,400 Speaker 1: We butchered a bunch of pigs for meat today. Give 1157 01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:31,360 Speaker 1: some thoughts on like what what's the best? We're the 1158 01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:34,640 Speaker 1: best pigs to eat? I keep from my own, Um, 1159 01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:39,400 Speaker 1: you're real particular. Yeah, I I I keep about maybe 1160 01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:42,280 Speaker 1: one in every three or four hundred. Uh. And it 1161 01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,160 Speaker 1: what's the one we're eating tonight? It's one of those. 1162 01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:50,440 Speaker 1: It's basically it's a sal female not too old. Uh, 1163 01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:56,720 Speaker 1: extreme excess amount of fat and uh usually they put 1164 01:07:56,800 --> 01:08:01,920 Speaker 1: on that fat about I guess half way to halfway 1165 01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:04,560 Speaker 1: to three quarters of the way through their pregnancy before 1166 01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:07,600 Speaker 1: they start lactating it all, you know, that's when they 1167 01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:11,800 Speaker 1: have the most body fat and they're doing nothing but eating, 1168 01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,360 Speaker 1: and uh, I try to I try to shoot him 1169 01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:19,800 Speaker 1: either in the head or somewhere, or in the shoulders 1170 01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:24,320 Speaker 1: or somewhere that's gonna put them down without any kind 1171 01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:27,639 Speaker 1: of adrenaline rush or or any kind of So trap pigs. 1172 01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:29,720 Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan of trap pigs because they 1173 01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:34,080 Speaker 1: they in or dogs dog caught pigs, because they have 1174 01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:37,280 Speaker 1: adrenaline and it's a lactic build up, lactic acid build 1175 01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:39,120 Speaker 1: up in the muscle and it and it makes the 1176 01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:42,960 Speaker 1: meat a little tough, it makes a little gamy. Just 1177 01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:45,640 Speaker 1: get him hunt in a hunting style, in a in 1178 01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:47,400 Speaker 1: a hunting style, you don't know what's going on in 1179 01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:51,400 Speaker 1: right exactly. He doesn't, that's no idea. He's just sitting there, 1180 01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:54,519 Speaker 1: you know, eating acorns or you know whatever he's doing 1181 01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:57,439 Speaker 1: eating corn. And just and shoot him and he's down, 1182 01:08:57,560 --> 01:08:59,400 Speaker 1: and then go up there and bleed him out. And 1183 01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:02,920 Speaker 1: then I I completely skin them and then got them 1184 01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:06,120 Speaker 1: hanging up and wash everything down so I don't have 1185 01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:08,679 Speaker 1: any hair or blood or anything anywhere. It's not supposed 1186 01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:10,760 Speaker 1: to be. I'm not saying that's the only way that 1187 01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:12,160 Speaker 1: you can do it, that's how you do it, But 1188 01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:13,880 Speaker 1: that's the way that I like to do it because 1189 01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:16,880 Speaker 1: I can. And one and every three or four d 1190 01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:19,880 Speaker 1: is where you go like that one is for my freeze. Yeah, 1191 01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:21,600 Speaker 1: that one right there? Not giving it away, you're not 1192 01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:24,280 Speaker 1: selling it right. Why do you skin them first before 1193 01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:26,880 Speaker 1: gutting them? It just makes it a little bit cleaner. Um, 1194 01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,680 Speaker 1: because I save every part of that particular pig. I 1195 01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:33,360 Speaker 1: save every single part. I cook and eat every single part. 1196 01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:37,360 Speaker 1: The ribs, the shanks, on the legs, everything the neck. 1197 01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:39,479 Speaker 1: The neck and the gewls are some of the best part. 1198 01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:43,840 Speaker 1: But when you got them like we did today, uh, 1199 01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:46,920 Speaker 1: those pigs on the ribs didn't have quite enough fat 1200 01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:50,920 Speaker 1: to to save the meat and uh on the ribs part, 1201 01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:52,559 Speaker 1: I mean you can, you can save them, but you're 1202 01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:54,519 Speaker 1: gonna have to have like four slabs and ribs to 1203 01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,439 Speaker 1: make a meal for one person on the small ones. Uh. 1204 01:09:57,600 --> 01:09:59,720 Speaker 1: So when you got those in the field, the only 1205 01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:02,439 Speaker 1: thing you're doing is it gets the inside a little bloody, 1206 01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:04,120 Speaker 1: which is the only thing that that's gonna affect is 1207 01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:07,000 Speaker 1: the ribs for the most part. Uh, that's I guess 1208 01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:09,040 Speaker 1: that's the primary reason that I hang them up. So 1209 01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:12,000 Speaker 1: for let's say you're not your guy that doesn't have 1210 01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:14,400 Speaker 1: three pigs to cycle through to pick out the one 1211 01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:16,240 Speaker 1: he wants to And I appreciate this will be the 1212 01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:20,400 Speaker 1: second time I've fed off this exemplary pick. Yeah. Yeah, 1213 01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,360 Speaker 1: we get what we have in a night. Uh, what 1214 01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:27,120 Speaker 1: cut you want? We'll cut your thought out. I got. 1215 01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:29,920 Speaker 1: I got some shoulders, some shoulder chops, and uh and 1216 01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:33,479 Speaker 1: some some regular loin shops. Um it is when you 1217 01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:36,840 Speaker 1: eat it, it's not a domestic pig. No, No, it's good. 1218 01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:40,080 Speaker 1: It's fatty, but it's still different. It's not like you 1219 01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,160 Speaker 1: bought it a whole Foods right right. It doesn't have 1220 01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:45,240 Speaker 1: the marbling that domestic pig has. It has an external fat, 1221 01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:49,479 Speaker 1: but no internal fat. Yeah, and uh, how's that? How's 1222 01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:51,000 Speaker 1: that pig meat coming as you cooking right now? No? 1223 01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:52,479 Speaker 1: I got it in there. I'm waiting on you to 1224 01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:54,599 Speaker 1: stop asking me questions so I can go prepare. Okay, 1225 01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:57,320 Speaker 1: So let's say you a guy who doesn't have the 1226 01:10:57,400 --> 01:10:59,800 Speaker 1: luxury like sifting through three pigs to find the one 1227 01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:02,880 Speaker 1: you wants to eat. Just give me a quick, quick, dirty. 1228 01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:05,880 Speaker 1: What's the fellow looking for in a wild pig? If 1229 01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:07,360 Speaker 1: I would, if it was if it was me and 1230 01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:09,439 Speaker 1: I didn't have the access that I have, I would 1231 01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:14,160 Speaker 1: choose a you know, fifty to eighty pound female that 1232 01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:17,519 Speaker 1: does not have a litter of pigs on the ground 1233 01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:23,000 Speaker 1: so she's not lactating. And uh, a fatter one, which 1234 01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:24,960 Speaker 1: I don't know how you would You don't. You can't 1235 01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:27,519 Speaker 1: really choose them, um, you know what I mean. You 1236 01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:29,360 Speaker 1: can't look at a group and say I want that 1237 01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:32,280 Speaker 1: one and you know that's gonna be the best eating one. 1238 01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:33,960 Speaker 1: You have to get him on the ground and get 1239 01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:37,479 Speaker 1: up to him. Um. But if other it with, if 1240 01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:40,080 Speaker 1: that's that's would be my my ideal pig. But the 1241 01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:44,360 Speaker 1: thirty pounders, the thirty pounders that are in decent condition, 1242 01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:48,799 Speaker 1: body condition, those things are I mean, those are awesome. 1243 01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:51,639 Speaker 1: You cannot screw those up. But nobody wants to shoot 1244 01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:53,599 Speaker 1: those because they want the biggest one out of the pack. 1245 01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:56,519 Speaker 1: It goes back to the ego thing. When a sounder, 1246 01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:58,320 Speaker 1: which is a group of pigs like a family group. 1247 01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:02,479 Speaker 1: When a sounder pigs run out, people are like, just 1248 01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:06,200 Speaker 1: how much go to the biggest one? Yeah, I always 1249 01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:08,920 Speaker 1: shoot a medium sized female if a group comes out 1250 01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:13,400 Speaker 1: like a meat hunter, Yeah, a knowledgeable meat hunter is 1251 01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:16,720 Speaker 1: not looking for the giant, right because usually even if 1252 01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,639 Speaker 1: it's even if it's if it's a female, it's giant. 1253 01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:23,120 Speaker 1: Uh she's that usually means she's older and its gonna 1254 01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:25,320 Speaker 1: be a little a little tough and maybe a little gamy. 1255 01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:29,080 Speaker 1: And you're saying, a big old boar nuts and tat 1256 01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:31,840 Speaker 1: can just have a stink to it. Yeah, I I've 1257 01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:34,560 Speaker 1: had a couple of Yeah, I've had a couple of 1258 01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:38,280 Speaker 1: them that did not smell like a boar when I 1259 01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:40,960 Speaker 1: was cleaning them. It as soon as you started cooking 1260 01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:44,719 Speaker 1: the meat, the smell would just take over the house. 1261 01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:47,439 Speaker 1: And uh, and that smell every time you put it 1262 01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:49,400 Speaker 1: on a fork and put it up to your mouth, 1263 01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:51,800 Speaker 1: that smell would hit your nose before the meat hit 1264 01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:53,720 Speaker 1: your mouth. It didn't have the it didn't have a 1265 01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:56,840 Speaker 1: bad flavor. It was just the smell that would make 1266 01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:03,519 Speaker 1: it unappetizing. Now, do this rate the uh quality of 1267 01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:08,400 Speaker 1: the mule? Deary buck? We have dinner last night? You 1268 01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:15,160 Speaker 1: know what phenomenal that buck? You never? I would never 1269 01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:18,160 Speaker 1: I've never rated a buck over a five let me 1270 01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:20,479 Speaker 1: give you that that buck. This is like a thing 1271 01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:22,479 Speaker 1: to defy stuff for a lot of people are like, oh, 1272 01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:25,040 Speaker 1: you know, like you can't shoot a big book because 1273 01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:28,320 Speaker 1: he won't taste good. Dude, that buck Listen, I've been 1274 01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:34,439 Speaker 1: told that mule deer. It doesn't matter faun though buck 1275 01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:39,559 Speaker 1: or it is not for the consumption of people I've eaten. 1276 01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:44,519 Speaker 1: This goes sound like a bold statement, but I've eaten 1277 01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:53,599 Speaker 1: thousands of pounds of dear meat and that Johnny's ruddy old. 1278 01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:57,200 Speaker 1: That was some of the best buck meat I've had 1279 01:13:57,280 --> 01:14:00,920 Speaker 1: a long time. Last night that was that was dude, 1280 01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:04,639 Speaker 1: it was good. I was surprised. How good at him? Yeah, 1281 01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:07,599 Speaker 1: he needs a fine cook. Well, you know, I think 1282 01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:10,040 Speaker 1: a lot goes into it though, because it was kills 1283 01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:13,760 Speaker 1: one quick shot. You know, that gunn went off and 1284 01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:16,800 Speaker 1: he was dead three to five seconds later. Cold weather. 1285 01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:22,439 Speaker 1: Cold weather cleaned very quickly, you know, Hong take very well, 1286 01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:24,800 Speaker 1: taken care of me. You know, it's also been sitting 1287 01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:28,280 Speaker 1: in my freezer for six months now. Because it's interesting, 1288 01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:30,360 Speaker 1: I've been talking to you know, Clayton, who are gonna 1289 01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:33,439 Speaker 1: see tomorrow, and then you now mentioned the adrenaline thing 1290 01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:36,759 Speaker 1: about a trapped pig, you know verse one that's just shot. 1291 01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:40,160 Speaker 1: And I shot a mule deer that was half the 1292 01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:45,360 Speaker 1: size of that one in Montana and had one of 1293 01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:53,400 Speaker 1: my worst like shooting uh episodes ever. And just like 1294 01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:56,120 Speaker 1: I didn't even have I took off my glove because 1295 01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:58,519 Speaker 1: I'm always telling everybody take glove off before you shoot. 1296 01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:02,240 Speaker 1: You know you're gonna touch that trigger accidentally, And did 1297 01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:04,519 Speaker 1: not have my crosshairs on this buck, and you know, 1298 01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,720 Speaker 1: missed him on the first shot because no glove all. 1299 01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:10,840 Speaker 1: And I was just kind of basically just getting ready 1300 01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:12,680 Speaker 1: to get it done. It was like it's on right now. 1301 01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:15,240 Speaker 1: But before I brought my crosshairs to him, you know, 1302 01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:24,360 Speaker 1: miss him completely. He runs. That's the thing that's weird. Anyways, Yeah, 1303 01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:26,600 Speaker 1: it turns into a big shootout, you know, five or 1304 01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:30,439 Speaker 1: six rounds later, and him being pretty stressed out. You know, 1305 01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:34,560 Speaker 1: he's dead. And that buck, I mean, it's even his backstrap. 1306 01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:36,360 Speaker 1: I mean you can take a chunk that's of his 1307 01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:38,800 Speaker 1: backstrap is eighteen inches long and hold it by one 1308 01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:41,800 Speaker 1: end and it doesn't bend, thaw it out, you know 1309 01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:46,320 Speaker 1: what I mean. It's just got so much just lacks 1310 01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:48,800 Speaker 1: of acid build up stopping. I told this story before 1311 01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:51,640 Speaker 1: one time. I know I've told you, but stopping if 1312 01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:53,840 Speaker 1: I told you on this year, format um, and then 1313 01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:55,439 Speaker 1: we'll wrap it up and go click that pig meat. 1314 01:15:55,720 --> 01:16:00,680 Speaker 1: This is my concluding thought. Um. One time I was 1315 01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:05,599 Speaker 1: hunting and shot amulder out a Meldier buck in November 1316 01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:08,840 Speaker 1: on a pretty steep slope with some wet snow on 1317 01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:12,960 Speaker 1: the ground. In the buck slid down the hill out 1318 01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:16,040 Speaker 1: of my view. So he's kind of sliding down towards me, 1319 01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:19,800 Speaker 1: but gets to like a you know, a bench and vanishes. 1320 01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:23,040 Speaker 1: I just think it's slid out of you. I go 1321 01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:25,000 Speaker 1: up there and I started looking around, and I cannot 1322 01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:28,320 Speaker 1: find that buck anywhere. This is an area that has 1323 01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:33,040 Speaker 1: a lot of big sinkholes. It's like heavily roaded um 1324 01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:36,719 Speaker 1: breaks country where you got like a heavily roaded river channel. 1325 01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:40,000 Speaker 1: It makes like canyon country flats up on top. And 1326 01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:45,000 Speaker 1: I realized that there's a hole in the ground, maybe 1327 01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:50,800 Speaker 1: like the top of a barrel. And I find some 1328 01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:53,200 Speaker 1: blood in the snow and realize that that blood ends 1329 01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:56,400 Speaker 1: at the mouth of that hole. Now walking around it's there. 1330 01:16:56,479 --> 01:16:58,560 Speaker 1: You see these holes, you think like there's gotta be 1331 01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:02,200 Speaker 1: dead people in some of these holes from where you 1332 01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:03,840 Speaker 1: go like just like you know what I mean. It's 1333 01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:05,840 Speaker 1: because they're all covered up in sage brush and stuff 1334 01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:08,880 Speaker 1: naturally current, and they'll have an outlet way far away, 1335 01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:11,000 Speaker 1: so it's like a cave. And if you sniff around 1336 01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:13,000 Speaker 1: and look around way down in the cut, you know 1337 01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:16,040 Speaker 1: sometimes fine where all that mud busted out of the 1338 01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:19,639 Speaker 1: ground and washed away down the river. I shined down 1339 01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:22,760 Speaker 1: in there and it shaped like an hour glass and 1340 01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:27,040 Speaker 1: it was thirteen ft deep, and I can see I'm 1341 01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:29,920 Speaker 1: looking through the hole that's the size of a barrel, 1342 01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,400 Speaker 1: and it's open like a small room down in there, 1343 01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:36,080 Speaker 1: and I can see the buck jumping around down in 1344 01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:39,960 Speaker 1: the bottom of the deep hole. And not thinking about sound, 1345 01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:46,599 Speaker 1: I was getting dark and I trying to look down 1346 01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:48,120 Speaker 1: in there and down my barrel is too dark for 1347 01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:51,120 Speaker 1: my scope. I shoot and blow my ear drums like 1348 01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:53,680 Speaker 1: you wouldn't believe, because my head's down to the I'm 1349 01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:56,120 Speaker 1: leaning down into that hole and I shoot into the hole, 1350 01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:01,120 Speaker 1: and it just rattled my cage in the worst possible way. 1351 01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:04,720 Speaker 1: By the time I kind of regroup mentally, my ears are, 1352 01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:11,439 Speaker 1: you know, I can't see anything down the whole. I 1353 01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:15,400 Speaker 1: go down and we're camped tent camping on the river 1354 01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:18,559 Speaker 1: out of canoes. Come up the next day and daylight 1355 01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:20,559 Speaker 1: with a big hunker, wrote We took the bow line 1356 01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:23,439 Speaker 1: off the canoe and came up. My buddy held my 1357 01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:25,479 Speaker 1: ankles and I got down in there. I was able 1358 01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:28,000 Speaker 1: to get a lass all around that deer's antler and 1359 01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:30,360 Speaker 1: pull it up out of there. I had never hit 1360 01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:33,519 Speaker 1: it a second time. That my shot that blew my 1361 01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:40,400 Speaker 1: ears missed. That buck was the only wild game animal, 1362 01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:45,640 Speaker 1: the only big game animal I've ever handled that you 1363 01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:52,599 Speaker 1: honestly couldn't not eat the meat. It was so foul 1364 01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:58,320 Speaker 1: and it was frigid. We have had a long, long 1365 01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:01,479 Speaker 1: debate about whether or not about what went out with 1366 01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:03,880 Speaker 1: that bar and we butchered the whole dang buck, and 1367 01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:05,960 Speaker 1: we were like we would cook a piece of meat 1368 01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:09,200 Speaker 1: and then go outside to eat it, trying to rule 1369 01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:11,160 Speaker 1: out that there was something in the house that made 1370 01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:12,960 Speaker 1: him taste this way. And we had a long debate 1371 01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:17,240 Speaker 1: that still is unresolved. Was it because he was down 1372 01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:21,120 Speaker 1: in there, not dead for a long time and just 1373 01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:25,560 Speaker 1: under tremendous amounts of stress, or because he was insulated 1374 01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:30,240 Speaker 1: and soured in that hole. As part of the experiment, 1375 01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:33,880 Speaker 1: my brother wants cut off the hair patch on a 1376 01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:38,000 Speaker 1: mule DearS the cut off the tarsl hair patch on 1377 01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:39,920 Speaker 1: a mule deer and put in a zip lock bag 1378 01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:42,920 Speaker 1: and then wipe that on a piece of meat he 1379 01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:44,800 Speaker 1: was about to eat and ate the piece of meat, 1380 01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:47,800 Speaker 1: trying to replicate the taste of that bart that came 1381 01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:50,720 Speaker 1: out of that hole in the ground. I still don't 1382 01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:56,479 Speaker 1: know today it was what it was bad? But wasn't 1383 01:19:56,520 --> 01:20:01,320 Speaker 1: that was there? Wasn't the tape the eight year and 1384 01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:07,960 Speaker 1: flavored meat. So um, yeah, I I feel as though 1385 01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:10,800 Speaker 1: because it was so unbelievably cold as well below zero 1386 01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:14,800 Speaker 1: that night. Um. A matter of fact, our our river 1387 01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:18,479 Speaker 1: trip ended because the river froze. So I feel it 1388 01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:20,240 Speaker 1: had something to do with just the enormous amount of 1389 01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:24,439 Speaker 1: stress the zeer was under. And it's funny because the 1390 01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:27,920 Speaker 1: story starts to make its own gravy because the thing 1391 01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:30,400 Speaker 1: I brought up, there's a lot of people who will 1392 01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:33,479 Speaker 1: get into hunting, And I feel that people get into 1393 01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:36,280 Speaker 1: hunting and they've some aspect of their life, maybe they've 1394 01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:38,840 Speaker 1: been told the hunt is bad, right, and they get 1395 01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:41,120 Speaker 1: into hunting because they really feel like, deep down they 1396 01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:42,479 Speaker 1: want to hunt, but they want someone to tell them 1397 01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:44,599 Speaker 1: it's okay. Part of the way that they find their 1398 01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:47,360 Speaker 1: way into it is they go like, oh, it's so humane, 1399 01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:55,600 Speaker 1: Like industrial slaughter facilities are um so stressful for animals 1400 01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,120 Speaker 1: and it just grotesque, and you don't know what goes 1401 01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:00,800 Speaker 1: on there. And I'll go out and cleanly get my 1402 01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:03,439 Speaker 1: own animals in this super humane way. And he's just 1403 01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:06,920 Speaker 1: happy and living his life. And then all of a sudden, 1404 01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:10,760 Speaker 1: right he's dead. And I look at that case, I'm like, well, 1405 01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:14,840 Speaker 1: that's a direct that that's like a direct contradiction to 1406 01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:17,240 Speaker 1: that line of thinking. And I'm a very experienced uney 1407 01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:19,040 Speaker 1: has done in a tremendous amount of hunting. Right. I 1408 01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:21,040 Speaker 1: don't make a lot of mistakes. I make some, I 1409 01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:25,920 Speaker 1: don't make a lot um I couldn't anticipate a giant 1410 01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:28,120 Speaker 1: hole in the ground that I wouldn't be able to 1411 01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:30,120 Speaker 1: fish my deer out of. But I think that that 1412 01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:34,640 Speaker 1: animal was stressed and suffered to a point that that 1413 01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:38,559 Speaker 1: that was so extreme that it uh ruined the meat. 1414 01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:41,640 Speaker 1: And in the meat processing industry, there's a term of 1415 01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:45,160 Speaker 1: red cutter, which would be a highly stressed out animal 1416 01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:48,320 Speaker 1: that has carcass attributes that make it that they'll pull 1417 01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:50,240 Speaker 1: it off the line. And I think I had a 1418 01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:55,960 Speaker 1: red cutter mule here anything a boy that I think 1419 01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:58,759 Speaker 1: I think that's what happened, not the not the souring 1420 01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:04,640 Speaker 1: whole night. You Southern revs wouldn't know the kind of 1421 01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:13,000 Speaker 1: cold I'm talking about. Ben thought it's kind of another 1422 01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:16,880 Speaker 1: question for Ben orn't does it? Because I was doing 1423 01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:19,559 Speaker 1: some reading on you know, the Wild Pigs and Texas 1424 01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:22,960 Speaker 1: before it came down here. It sounds like after talking 1425 01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:26,120 Speaker 1: to you, that it was before you really came into pigs, 1426 01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:29,120 Speaker 1: that they went from being this kind of like very 1427 01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:33,240 Speaker 1: cool novelty that everybody wanted just a little bit of, 1428 01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:36,120 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, by the time you 1429 01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:39,439 Speaker 1: got into pigs, people were already like, please come onto 1430 01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:42,120 Speaker 1: my place. Yes, we'll pay for your corn bay and 1431 01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:45,200 Speaker 1: trap them away. So you can't really probably speak too 1432 01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:47,960 Speaker 1: much to that transition, or I don't know if maybe 1433 01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:50,320 Speaker 1: if you can from like your dad's experience or you know, 1434 01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:53,439 Speaker 1: other people that you knew, But there obviously was a 1435 01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:56,960 Speaker 1: time when everybody was just like pretty much on board. 1436 01:22:57,760 --> 01:23:01,360 Speaker 1: It was like yeah, sweet, like like let's have just 1437 01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:04,000 Speaker 1: a few of these around because it's cool. Right. Well, 1438 01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:05,760 Speaker 1: that's that's how it was. Like I said, whenever I 1439 01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:08,639 Speaker 1: was little, you know, six and seven, eight years old, 1440 01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:12,760 Speaker 1: growing up hunting deer, they were a treat and you know, 1441 01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:15,040 Speaker 1: we we loved and we weren't trying to eradicate him. 1442 01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:18,439 Speaker 1: We just we we shot him and hunted him. And uh. 1443 01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:22,160 Speaker 1: But then whenever I was you know, in that few 1444 01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:24,680 Speaker 1: six seven year periods when they really started, they kind 1445 01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:28,400 Speaker 1: of flipped that page and now they're a nuisance. Before 1446 01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:30,400 Speaker 1: whenever I was on people to some people when I 1447 01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:33,120 Speaker 1: was younger, it wasn't like that. It just that's about 1448 01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:35,439 Speaker 1: that time is whenever I saw it turn a page. 1449 01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:39,000 Speaker 1: And so back to just like paying for a pig hunt. 1450 01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:41,560 Speaker 1: Do you feel like because now, because just before I 1451 01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:43,200 Speaker 1: came down here, I was talking to a friend of mine, 1452 01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:45,439 Speaker 1: He's like, man, I loved to go down there and 1453 01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:48,840 Speaker 1: shoot some wild pigs, but by guy, I'm not gonna 1454 01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:51,000 Speaker 1: pay for it, you know, because I know that they 1455 01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:54,200 Speaker 1: are of arming. Do you feel like that opportunity maybe 1456 01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:58,559 Speaker 1: buy some phone calls or some connection it exists. Yeah, 1457 01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:01,599 Speaker 1: Like for a guy, it's not the average Joe blow, 1458 01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:05,200 Speaker 1: dumbass public guy that you said that the farmer dislikes 1459 01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:08,120 Speaker 1: more than he dislikes his pigs. You make some phone calls, 1460 01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:11,479 Speaker 1: make yourself sound like a like a responsible, good hunter 1461 01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:14,880 Speaker 1: that closes gates, you'll probably get a free pig hunt. Yeah, 1462 01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:17,120 Speaker 1: it might take you a handful of calls, but you'd 1463 01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:20,720 Speaker 1: get Well, let me explain my pig hunt spot. Um. 1464 01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:22,880 Speaker 1: The place I've done the bulk of my pig hunt 1465 01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:27,200 Speaker 1: is in California, Central Valley. And I went to graduate 1466 01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:31,280 Speaker 1: school with a gal whose dad is a large animal 1467 01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:37,000 Speaker 1: vet in California, and through talking to her and whatnot, 1468 01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:42,280 Speaker 1: I became friendly with the father, approached him about pigs, 1469 01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:45,880 Speaker 1: got a very provisional invitation to come out and hunt 1470 01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:49,120 Speaker 1: pigs for a couple of days, was told where to go, 1471 01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:53,240 Speaker 1: when to go there, who to come check back in 1472 01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:58,479 Speaker 1: with right away. I now have a standing invitation to 1473 01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:01,880 Speaker 1: hunt pigs on three beautiful pieces of property out there 1474 01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:03,960 Speaker 1: anytime I want. A matter of fact, in my notebook, 1475 01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:07,200 Speaker 1: I got a note from him explaining to anyone that 1476 01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:13,000 Speaker 1: messes with me to mind their own business. Yeah. So yeah, 1477 01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:14,920 Speaker 1: I did it. It can be done. Yeah, And I 1478 01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:17,680 Speaker 1: didn't do it through my work. I did it through 1479 01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:20,599 Speaker 1: a college friend. Yeah, this guy don't give a ship 1480 01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:23,280 Speaker 1: what I do for a living. You know. It's just 1481 01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:27,560 Speaker 1: like I just took it slow and already did my 1482 01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:31,320 Speaker 1: concluding thought. I got another hunting permission where I started 1483 01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:33,439 Speaker 1: out like, yeah, I started out by hunting squirrels on 1484 01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:36,760 Speaker 1: a guy's place. Event. She's like, you know what, you 1485 01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:38,240 Speaker 1: what I do a little deer hunt in Turkey hunt. 1486 01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:43,080 Speaker 1: You come on out after squirrel hunting, not leaving the 1487 01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:45,479 Speaker 1: gates open and shooting off towards his barn and whatnot. 1488 01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:48,479 Speaker 1: I mean, I've gotten I've gotten gained permission on places 1489 01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:51,400 Speaker 1: down here in a similar fashion, people that I've never 1490 01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:54,680 Speaker 1: met before meet him for the first time, you know, uh, 1491 01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:58,120 Speaker 1: and then just kind of talk to him a few 1492 01:25:58,240 --> 01:26:01,479 Speaker 1: a few times throughout the season, and and that even 1493 01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:05,559 Speaker 1: just just kind of developing a friendship without even without 1494 01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:07,960 Speaker 1: going and hanging out with him, just talking to him. 1495 01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:10,240 Speaker 1: And then there they said, you know you like to 1496 01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:13,439 Speaker 1: you like to hunt, right, yeah, and uh, yeah, you 1497 01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:15,439 Speaker 1: can come out and hunting on my place anytime you want. 1498 01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:18,360 Speaker 1: And it's just you have to develop that friendship and 1499 01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:21,240 Speaker 1: in that trust before they'll just let you come out. 1500 01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:23,080 Speaker 1: You can't just call somebody say you gotta pick problem. 1501 01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:24,519 Speaker 1: I'm gonna come out there and shoot him for you 1502 01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:31,600 Speaker 1: at Chris thoughts, Yeah, I gotta. It's kind of a 1503 01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:35,599 Speaker 1: hypothetical question for Ben, Uh, since you've spent so much 1504 01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:39,840 Speaker 1: time on both species. Say you're like sitting in a 1505 01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:43,960 Speaker 1: blind one night taking photos and you see the biggest 1506 01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:47,160 Speaker 1: buck you've ever seen, and then like ten seconds later, 1507 01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:50,960 Speaker 1: you see the biggest bore pig you've ever seen. Which 1508 01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:54,880 Speaker 1: one would you get about seeing I'd be clicking about 1509 01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:59,080 Speaker 1: a thousand pictures both, Yeah, but which one would get 1510 01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:00,960 Speaker 1: you more? Like? No, I thought you're talking about with 1511 01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:05,479 Speaker 1: the gun you know this camera? Yeah, just just more 1512 01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:07,519 Speaker 1: and more fired up based on how much work you 1513 01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:12,240 Speaker 1: put into it, like scientifically, Like, which one are you? Man? 1514 01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:14,240 Speaker 1: That's a tough question. I think I do the pick 1515 01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:19,439 Speaker 1: just because they're less desired. Really, Yeah, everybody loves big deer, 1516 01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:22,600 Speaker 1: and everybody's always gonna love big deer. Big pigs are 1517 01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:27,200 Speaker 1: they're nobody likes I mean, just nobody likes pigs. Yeah. 1518 01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:30,760 Speaker 1: Last night, Bend was explaining to me the extremes that 1519 01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:33,439 Speaker 1: people go through for big deer, and he said that 1520 01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:39,160 Speaker 1: he's seen people get divorced over big white tail box. Uh, 1521 01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:42,320 Speaker 1: it's your turn out for a concluding thought. You don't 1522 01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:44,400 Speaker 1: have to have one. I don't. I don't have to 1523 01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:47,519 Speaker 1: ask myself a question like no, you just have a thought, 1524 01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:51,080 Speaker 1: a random thought, talk about whatever you want. Just you 1525 01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:54,679 Speaker 1: get a chance to not even be within the flow 1526 01:27:54,760 --> 01:28:00,560 Speaker 1: of conversation. Marital advice is often given it this, I 1527 01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:02,519 Speaker 1: don't think I have a room to talk about that. 1528 01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:08,800 Speaker 1: Uh No, I don't know that you might have some 1529 01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:14,320 Speaker 1: advice on the subject, you know that goes around marriage men. Yeah, 1530 01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:17,000 Speaker 1: I did, could give you merit. You don't have to 1531 01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:19,000 Speaker 1: have a concluon, he thought, No, I don't. I don't know. 1532 01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:22,519 Speaker 1: I feel like i've I've said enough. Well, there you 1533 01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:27,760 Speaker 1: having Ben Bennyon. Thank you for joining wealth of Information. 1534 01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:31,680 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me go cook my picnic. It's 1535 01:28:31,720 --> 01:30:39,360 Speaker 1: gonna be dark asstsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss