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Speaker 1: I am all in again.

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Speaker 2: Let's hi Am all in again with Scott Patterson and

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Speaker 2: iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Hi everybody today, I'm joined by the incredible Biff Jaeger

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Speaker 1: known as Tom on Gilmore Girls to recap season two

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Speaker 1: episode one, Sadie Sadie. Tom first appears in season two

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Speaker 1: episode two, Hammers and Veils as a construction worker on

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Speaker 1: the site that Rory is building homes for extracurricular activities

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Speaker 1: is to get into Harvard. How you doing, Beff? Thanks

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Speaker 1: for joining us?

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Speaker 3: Going pretty good? How are you good?

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Speaker 1: Good? Good, Sadie. Sadie continues right where the season one

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Speaker 1: finale left off, and Laurel lies accepting Max Medina's marriage proposals.

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Speaker 1: Have you watched this episode before or is this your

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Speaker 1: first episode? Beff?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I watched it before you, did you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: A little bit?

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Speaker 1: All right, a lot? So this aired October nine, two

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Speaker 1: thousand and one. Man, that's a long time ago. It's

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Speaker 1: hard to even say that. Rory helps Laurel. I way

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Speaker 1: Max's proposal with pros pro and contest, and they decorated

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Speaker 1: stars Hollow with all the leftover daisies that he said.

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Speaker 1: He said A thousand some people on my team say

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Speaker 1: it's way more than a thousand, but I'm not counting it. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: Laine is upset about being sent to Korea for the

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Speaker 1: summer in a very very large suitcase that's actually larger

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Speaker 1: than her. Directed by the one and only Amy Sherman

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Speaker 1: Palladino and written by her twin sister, Amy Sherman Palladino.

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Speaker 1: There has to be two of them. How can one

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Speaker 1: person do all of this? Laurel I's engagement? Here we go.

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Speaker 1: What'd you think of this romantic gesture? Biff was a

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Speaker 1: little over the top of a thousand daisies.

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Speaker 3: A thousand daisies. I don't think it could have been

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Speaker 3: maybe more.

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Speaker 1: It was quite a scene, wasn't it. It was quite a visual.

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Speaker 1: I must say it was a very very powerful visual.

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Speaker 1: Now she's got to come to a decision, and I

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Speaker 1: don't know that she wasn't so sure, you know of

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Speaker 1: I kind of got that, oh boy, you know this

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Speaker 1: sharing the news with with Luke. And then Luke asked

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Speaker 1: us a series of questions about her future that really

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Speaker 1: think he just had that conversation, same conversation that broke

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Speaker 1: got into a back and forth about you know, all

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Speaker 1: you know, what's it going to look like, what you know,

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Speaker 1: how's it going to affect your photography career, You're going

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Speaker 1: to travel? You know, all this stuff, and then they

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Speaker 1: maybe just realized that heck, he is ain't gonna work out.

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Speaker 1: So I think because of that experience, he was cool

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Speaker 1: And and maybe it's the one time that we're seeing

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Speaker 3: But maybe well he's backing into it though, right, you

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Speaker 3: Doesn't want to show his feelings. He was going to

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Speaker 1: To sabotage her relationship with Max. I was like, wow,

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Speaker 3: Don't you think Luke pushed her into saying yes with

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Speaker 1: all's fair in love war, right, I mean exactly. It's

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Speaker 1: So you know, this is an interesting insight in here.

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Speaker 1: which would be you know, the death knell for Luke, right,

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Speaker 1: And something I hadn't noticed the first time around, but

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Speaker 1: All right, now we're now we're with Rory and Dean,

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Speaker 1: and these two are are back, you know. He comes

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Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, Tom. How does Dean's

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Speaker 1: Right? But he's probably a little gunshy, right he got rejected. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: here's Emily's reaction And what a great scene Suki calling

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Speaker 3: Well, I not to be a spoils work when it

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Speaker 3: And I felt that was I felt that in that scene.

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Speaker 1: I think I feel that's fair. I feel that's fair

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Speaker 1: That Emily is being left out of Laurlized life? I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. So Karmecy, you know what, right now,

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Speaker 3: I mean a lot of thoughts are so protective of daughters,

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Speaker 1: It was a tough scene to watch, It really was.

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Speaker 1: And that's great Dean's pain.

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Speaker 1: It really is quite extraordinary. Lane's rebellion. Here's another storyline

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Speaker 1: Lane discovers. And I don't know how this fit into

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. She's getting a little cultural in Richmond.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. My granddad Japan, you know.

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Speaker 1: So it's it could be getting in touch with her roots.

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Speaker 1: Coffee or tea?

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Speaker 3: I think as I worked with him, I liked him.

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Speaker 3: Emily. I guess I'd have to say favorite season, Oh,

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Speaker 1: Who said that?

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Speaker 1: I guess, I guess Luke's Diner or Friday night dinner.

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Speaker 1: Oh looks Lukes Diner, Biff Jaeger, ladies and gentleman. So

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Speaker 3: from the screen actors Jim, because nobody wants to hire

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Speaker 1: Oh jeez, I'm sorry about that.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's all right, It's just it just takes time, right, Okay. Besides,

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Speaker 3: I'm getting too old for this stuff. You leave it

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Speaker 1: You're staying right, sure. Yeah, I'm sixty six. Yeah what yeah?

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Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? Oh you don't look eighty two.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, No, you're not. You are not. You're

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Speaker 3: Oh I feel great. I feel It just takes the

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Speaker 1: All right, good deal? If you anger everybody, Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much, thanks for all the downloads, best fans on

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Speaker 1: the planet, and we will see you next time for

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