1 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: Forty What Action News digs deeper and gets the answers 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: about what happens to Adrian Jones. Investigator Jessica McMaster now 3 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: uncovered exclusive evidence he was just a typical little boy, 4 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: just full of life. Adrian's dad and step mom abused 5 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: him for months. He just had the most amazing smile 6 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: never before seeing. Video takes us inside Adrian's last moment. 7 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: You can see the look of nothing in his eyes. 8 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. So you eat 9 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: out the trash? Could you keep on getting cold? Could 10 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: you're outside? In this video, you can hear Heather's harsh 11 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: words towards Adrian and a lack of compassion for a 12 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 1: desperate little boy. The last days and hours of Adrian's 13 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: life spent stripped and confined to a shower stall, left 14 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: outside overnight to stand in a filthy pool. A new 15 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 1: records show with the State of Kansas knew before the 16 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: death of little seven year old Adrian Jones. We learned 17 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: as early as twenty eleven, d CF had allegations of 18 00:00:55,720 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: Adrian's abuse, hundreds of red flags, black eyes, beatings, stealing 19 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: food from trash cans to survive, being forced to stay 20 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: outside and eat from bowls on the ground, being forced 21 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: to stand in water up to your neck overnight. And 22 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: he's just seven years old. Finally, and I never thought 23 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: I would put these words together in one sentence. Murdered 24 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: and fed to pigs by his own father and stepmother. 25 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: Of course, I am talking about a beautiful little boy 26 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: we have now all come to know. His name is 27 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: Adrian Jones. And he was murdered by his father and stepmother, 28 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: and the whole time, the Department of Children's Services and 29 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: police in two states knew he had been abused for years. 30 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: What really happened? Joining us today is a woman who 31 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: probably wishes she didn't know Adrian's grandmother, Judy Conway. I'm 32 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being 33 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 1: with us. Judy. I very often have to just close 34 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: down my computer, turn off my iPad, and quit reading 35 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: all the horrible things that happened to Adrian Jones. Tell 36 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: me when you first realized that Adrian was being abused. 37 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: I found out on November two thousand seventeen. I received 38 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: a phone call and I just couldn't believe it. I 39 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: was I was in total shock. Um, I didn't even 40 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: know what my first move was going to be in 41 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: regards to that. I left work at that time, called 42 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: my oldest granddaughter, spoke to her and she had already heard. Also, 43 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: it's like, all of a sudden, and I've said this before, 44 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: it's like the grief takes a whole of you, Nancy, 45 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: and just stripped you to the bare bones, and you 46 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: just can't fan them that when you're given the news 47 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: that the remains of a child have been sent, have 48 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: been found and a pig pen, and that your grandson 49 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: is missing, Judy, I can hardly process. I can hardly 50 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: process really what you're saying because it is so beyond 51 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: and I have handled literally estimated about ten thousand felonies 52 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: over the course of ten years, including please investigations, trials 53 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: to just the works. Just the brutality of this, not 54 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: only to murder the child but then feed his body 55 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: his remains to pigs. But let me ask you this. 56 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: You are Adrian's grandmother. How are you maternal? Are you paternal? What? 57 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: How are you related to Adrian? His mother is my daughter. 58 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: So Adrian's mother is your daughter? Okay, got it. I'm 59 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: just I'm just stunned by the whole thing. So you 60 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: find out in November you get this phone call who 61 00:04:56,040 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: called you? Actually it was my granddaughter or who called me. 62 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: Like I said, when she first mentioned it to me, 63 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: I was just I couldn't believe it. And my first 64 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: reaction was is I have to find out if this 65 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: is even true, you know? And I just knew at 66 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: that moment that nothing else that could ever happen to 67 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: me and my whole lifetime would ever compare, you know, 68 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: to losing him. I just I was, I was shocked. 69 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I just at that moment, I had no 70 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: words to describe how I was feeling. I felt totally lost, 71 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: and all I knew was is my heart was saying, 72 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: please do not let this be true. Did you have 73 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: any idea he was being abused because people in the 74 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: neighborhood knew that he had been taken to the hospital, 75 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: that he had been spotted. They saw him eating out 76 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: of trash cans for years. Years. This seven year old boy, 77 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: which means he was doing this at age five, eating 78 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: out of trash cans just to live, would be taken 79 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: to the hospital covered in black and blues, black eyes, 80 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: the works. What I don't understand is how this child 81 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 1: could sit on a hospital seat in the doctor's office, 82 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: and they could look at him and not insist he'd 83 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: be taken away from his parents that minute. I don't 84 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: understand that. Now, what did they hide? Did his parents 85 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: hide it from you that they were beating him and 86 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: abusing him, Yes, they did. I had tried for the 87 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: longest time, through phone calls and texts, to be able 88 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: to see my grandchildren because they mean the world to me. 89 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: Mike and Heather would never even pick up the phone. 90 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: I did get one call from Mike during this whole situation. 91 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 1: At one point he did allow me to speak to 92 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: the kids and they all sound sounded fine. So after that, 93 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: I kept on hoping that he was going to continue 94 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: to let me speak to the kids and see them. 95 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: And I continued calling and calling and you know, leaving 96 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: text messages and so forth. Then one day I called 97 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: in out of the blue, Heather answered the phone. She 98 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: told me that they were just trying to basically, you know, 99 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: get their lives together and so forth, and that I 100 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: would eventually be able to see the kids, but at 101 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: this time I wasn't going to be able to see them. 102 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: That they won't allow anybody to see the kids. But 103 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: I never thought in a million years, Nancy, that it 104 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: had absolutely no idea that Mike would ever allow anyone 105 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: to hurt his children, or that he would hurt his children. Well, 106 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: I don't understand. Let me go back, let me track, 107 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: back track. Why wouldn't they let you see them to 108 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: start with? And remember this, this is not about you, right, 109 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: Whatever they were doing, they are clearly in the wrong. 110 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: So whatever pretense they made up, we're trying to get 111 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: our lives together, we're this, we're that, we're cleaning the house, 112 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: we're on vacation, blah blah blah, they were just lying 113 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: so you couldn't see the children. That that's it. They 114 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: kept you away because you would know something was wrong. 115 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: And another thing, Judy, another thing that I learned, and 116 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: I still don't understand it. I think it have to 117 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: be a shrink. Hey, you know, it would take more 118 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: than one shrink. It would take a whole team from 119 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: Vienna to figure this one out. But I noticed this many, 120 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: many times, and it's anecdotal. I noticed it when I 121 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: was a prosecutor. It's not from a statistical study. But 122 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: parents evil, Parents that abuse their children very often, not always, 123 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: but very often we'll pick one kid. I remember I 124 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: was prosecuting a murder of a former police officer. Was 125 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: a young guy. No no, no, no. His brother was 126 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 1: a former police officer and he was murdered. And they 127 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,599 Speaker 1: were from a big family. They had about seven siblings, 128 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: and I noticed that one adult sibling would sit apart 129 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: from everybody else at the trial. You know, they were 130 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: coming to see the trial of the guy that murdered 131 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: the brother, and the father would be there. So I 132 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: became friends with the one sister that always sat apart 133 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: from the others. Turns out he the father had singled 134 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: her out and abused her sexually, abused her her whole 135 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: life until she moved out. And I think the mother 136 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: knew about it. So that that's just one example. And 137 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: this woman very believable, very successful, and we became friends. 138 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: And that's the first time I noticed the phenomena of 139 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: picking out one of all the siblings and that's the 140 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 1: one you pick on. And it seems to be the 141 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: case here that they picked out Adrian. And I don't 142 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: know why that is, but I believe it to be 143 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: true in many cases. So they were intentionally keeping you away. 144 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: It had nothing to do with you. They may have 145 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: made up some argument that happened five years ago or something, 146 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: but that's bs. They did not want you to know, 147 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: just like they didn't want the doctors to know. So 148 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: did you ever have any clue duty that anything was wrong. No, 149 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: I had absolutely no clue that anything was going on. 150 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: All I knew was is I wanted to see my grandchildren. 151 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: And one of the things that Heather did tell one 152 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: of the detective is he asked her why she hated, 153 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: you know, Adrian so much, And at that time, Heather 154 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: started crying and she pointed at Hadrian Adrian's picture that 155 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: she had in a home and stated that boy is 156 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: the reason I lost my son. And Heather went on 157 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: to explain Nancy that Adrian had lied to DCF during 158 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 1: a I think it was two thousand and eleven investigation, 159 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: and as a result, her own biological son was taken 160 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: away from her and that was the excuse that she 161 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 1: used and is still using this. Well, he probably he 162 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 1: Adrian probably told the truth that she was beating and 163 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: starving him, and so they take away her bio kid 164 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: and leave him there to die exactly exactly. Oh Oh 165 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 1: my heart, my heart is breaking hearing this because God 166 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 1: helped me. Alan, you gotta you gotta pull me out 167 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: of this dark place right now, because I'm imagining Adrian sitting, 168 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: you know, those seats in the doctor's office, and they 169 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: pulled down that little thin sheet of paper, the thing 170 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: and you sit on it. I'm imagine Adrian. They're covered 171 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: in bruises, and now I think, what if it was John, 172 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: David or Lucy sitting there covered in bruises yep, and 173 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: nobody did anything. It's just breaking my heart. And then 174 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: all the things they did to that child just exactly. 175 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: I am had always taught my grandchildren at an early 176 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: age to always use their voice and to uh. I 177 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: had conversations with them that if anybody ever did anything 178 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 1: to them that was inappropriate or anything like that, to 179 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: make sure that they let non uh know. And I 180 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: really do believe that Adrian used his voice. And it's 181 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: just absolutely broke my heart because I know that he did, 182 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: and I know that people heard him. And all I 183 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 1: can think now is because I taught him to use 184 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: his voice, and I want a don't would listen to him, 185 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: And I just don't get it because if I would 186 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: have been one of those adults, I would have snatched 187 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,359 Speaker 1: that kid up and I would have taken him to authorities. 188 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: I would have done anything in my power to make 189 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: sure that he was safe. You know, Judy, you said 190 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: that when they were younger, you taught them to speak out. 191 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: When was the last time that you had contact or 192 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: saw Adrian. How old was he? Well, he would have 193 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: been three years old, and I remember kneeling down in 194 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: front of him and um because I originally wanted to 195 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: bring the kids home with me, and unfortunately, they asked 196 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: me at the time who the three younger kids belonged to, 197 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: and I stated to them Michael Jones, and they mentioned 198 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: to me that they had to contact him. Now, my 199 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: oldest granddaughter, Kiki, unfortunately, do not know who her father 200 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: is and she was able to come home with me 201 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: at that time. In the meantime, I mentioned to the 202 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: worker that was there at the time that I didn't 203 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: feel comfortable with the three younger grandkids going to be 204 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: with Mike. Not that I had any reason why, I 205 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: just knew that I wanted my grandkids. Wait a minute, 206 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: so even at age when he was three, there were 207 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: already social workers involved. Well, it wasn't due to any 208 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: kind of abuse or anything like that. It was just 209 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: due to some neglect on my daughter's part. My daughter 210 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: loves her children and I've never seen her abuse the 211 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: children in any way, shape or form, but just at 212 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: the time she was not being a very good mother, 213 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. The bottom line is, if 214 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: you neglect a child, you gotta they need to be 215 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: taken away for the child's sake. But on the other hand, 216 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: some people are just not fit or ready to be 217 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: parents exactly. I mean, I'm the other day, You're never 218 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: gonna believe this, Alan, and I'm gonna let the person 219 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: remain nameless. One of my very dear friends, very dear friends. 220 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: In fact, she is a lawyer that I know very well. 221 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: Sister has a child. The child is now thirty m 222 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: maybe twenty nine. They have a baby, Alan. The child 223 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: goes in the grocery store and she said, I just 224 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: loved him in the car for you know, while I 225 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: was shopping for groceries. And when we said, you know, 226 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: you can get arrested for that, she says, well, I 227 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: left the I left the air conditioning. I just I'm like, 228 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: And this guys is a girl that has got a 229 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: double major, has a wonderful job, they live in a 230 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: lovely condo, it's their first baby. They don't on the baby, 231 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: and they just didn't get it. You don't leave the 232 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: baby be in the car while you do the grocery shopping. Okay, 233 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: you just don't. Period. We talked about this the other day. 234 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: What we talked about this the other day with these 235 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: hot card deaths and everything else. Why do people not 236 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: realize how fragile these children are and how how many 237 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: dangerous there are for them. Yes, and what I'm saying 238 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: is that people that you think are perfectly fine people, 239 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: they just mentally are not ready to have children. That 240 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: doesn't mean they don't have them, of course they do. 241 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: Or then there are people that maybe they have an 242 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: alcohol or a drug problem or this or that, you know, 243 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: and it just all snowballs and they neglect the children 244 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: for whatever reason. The children need to be taken away 245 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: so for their safety. So in this case, your daughter 246 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: at that time was just neglecting and couldn't keep it together. 247 00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: So that is what I'm understanding. Okay, so you actually 248 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: do take at least one of the children in Yes, 249 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 1: I did, and then the others I did, um, and 250 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: I did mention to the worker at that time that 251 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: I knew that Heather and I didn't know a lot 252 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: about her, but I did know that she had mentioned 253 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: at one point that she didn't like my grandchildren and 254 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 1: that I thought before the children were placed with them, 255 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: that there needed to be some kind of background check 256 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: and so forth, because as a grandmother I didn't have 257 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,719 Speaker 1: any rights at that time at all in regards to 258 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 1: where the children were going to go. Judy, I'm very 259 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: curious about Heather. Okay, so me too. Let me understand this. Okay, 260 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: let me get this trade again. You're related to the 261 00:17:54,000 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: bio mom, not Michael and Heather once that killed him. 262 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: Not you're related to the bio mom who was out 263 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: of the picture. Okay, let me get back to Heather. 264 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: Why is this woman so evil? I mean, I know 265 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: people lose their temper and they may hit or something 266 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 1: like that, and I disagree with that. I thank you 267 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 1: got to go to Dearil for that, for hitting a 268 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: child in the face, I really do. But this was 269 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: a methodical torture regimen she had. What was wrong with her? 270 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 1: I really do believe that she tried to convince um 271 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: not only DCF, but the different psych places, that they 272 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: had tried to put Adrian in, that they were doing 273 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: all of this because Adrian was evil, that he was 274 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: a pedophile, and then he was a sexual predator. Adrian 275 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 1: is just seven, well, and this she started saying this 276 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 1: right out of the gate about him. I believe that 277 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: she was telling, like even then instigators, that before they 278 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: Adrian came to live with him, that Adrian had been 279 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: severely sexually abused and my daughter's care well, first and foremost, 280 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 1: that never happened. Adrian did not have any problems prior 281 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: to going to look with Heather and Mike. I basically 282 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: saw him almost every weekend. I would make the drive 283 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: to Lawrence to see my grandkids, and he was always 284 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: a happy, just super little guy. I mean, there was 285 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: not anything that was out of sync with him or 286 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: anything like that. But I believe when she got him 287 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: and he did what he did about speaking up. And 288 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 1: I don't know if he actually told authorities that she 289 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 1: was abusing her own son or what had happened exactly, 290 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: but I do know that she blamed Adrian in for 291 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: losing her her own bio son, and I believe that 292 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: something well, he may he may have told them that 293 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: he was amusing her, so they took her bios son exactly, 294 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: and it could have been that, And of course they 295 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: leave him there exactly, and they do, and I just 296 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: don't understand that. And I believe that Heather at one 297 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: point Mike even did not want to be with Heather 298 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 1: any any longer and had filed for divorced from her. 299 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 1: And I believe at that time Mike knew that she 300 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: had a really, really severe problem, but he ended up 301 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: staying with her. And of course I feel that they're 302 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: both equally responsible for Adrian's abuse. I don't really care 303 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 1: who did it and who did a totally both responsible 304 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: and she just zero, like you said, and I had 305 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: to I've heard this exactly the same thing that you've heard. 306 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: You know that you stated earlier that for some reason, 307 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: these evil people they ZrO in on one of the children, 308 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: and in this instant it happened to be Adrian. Well 309 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: it wasn't just you. Officials in Kansas say they last 310 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: had contact with the family and two thousand and twelve, 311 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 1: and that Michael and Heather worked quote constantly after that 312 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: to evade our intervention. But their job is to track 313 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: them down, and there were two jurisdictions that let this 314 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: baby die. It would be Kansas and Missouri where he 315 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 1: died in Kansas City, but Missouri had him for many, 316 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: many years and ignored it. The cops knew about it, 317 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 1: child welfare knew about it, everybody knew about it. Neighbors 318 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: knew about The kid was eating out of a trash 319 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: can to live. And when I look at those pictures 320 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: of him outside and they videoed at Alan, they videoed 321 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: their mistreatment of the boy, that's sick. That is sick Alan. 322 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: This is the most bizarre case. After working on this, 323 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 1: how many episodes have we done on this podcast? And 324 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: every time I'm looking for my grandkids, I have to 325 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: go and hug little Luck and little Lena because that 326 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: is the only way you can balance this out. And 327 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 1: thank god you've got the twins, Nancy exactly. Well, another 328 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: thing about Judy. Judy probably saved Kiki's life by taking 329 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: her because she was not a bio child of Michael's, 330 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: which would probably make him hate her even more than Adrian. 331 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 1: And this business about saying Adrian was a pedophile. They 332 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: started mistreating him when he was about three years old, 333 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: so that is just a big lie, Like everything else. 334 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: Why would I believe anything they say anyway? Of three 335 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: year old child cannot be a pedophile, Pierre, you were 336 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: telling it's ridiculous to even say that. And they were 337 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 1: telling the different fight places that they were trying to 338 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: have him put into that he had all these problems. 339 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,719 Speaker 1: And I really do believe that they were trying to 340 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: cover up everything that they were doing by trying to 341 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: blame it on Adrian. Have you spoken to either one 342 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: of them? No, I have since this whole thing was discovered. 343 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: Not how about the mother? What does the mother have 344 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 1: to say the bio mother of Adrian? I mean, she 345 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: just do it, just your daughter, and no offense to you. 346 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: You've already got Kiki, the one child you're trying to 347 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: see the others. And where where is she in this picture? 348 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:51,120 Speaker 1: She's pretty devastated, of course. I mean one thing about her, 349 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 1: she does love her kids. She was just going through 350 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: a time where she was not being a very good mother. 351 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: Well what from age three to age seven, four years 352 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: and she did. What happened was is that when I 353 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 1: had the kids taken away, Mike was given cutty of 354 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 1: the children with from what I have heard, a visitation 355 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: rights at his discretion only, and that she did try 356 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: to see the kids, but it was exactly the same 357 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: thing with me. I don't know the extent that she 358 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: tried to see the kids, but I do know now 359 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 1: that she did try to, and that Mike and Heather, 360 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 1: you know, would not allow her to see the kids either. 361 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to process that. Did she try to 362 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: go back to court to get control of the children ever, 363 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 1: not that I'm aware of. Since this has been revealed, 364 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 1: Since this has been revealed, what if anything have you 365 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 1: learned about the whole thing? How did they get away 366 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 1: with it? How did the authorities in both Kansas and 367 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: Missouri let him die? I think they were just really methodical. 368 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: I think that they knew what they were doing. Like 369 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 1: I said, they knew that trying to blame everything on Adrian, 370 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: that he had major problems, and that they were trying 371 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: to get him help, which is one way to cover 372 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 1: up exactly what they were doing. I am still in 373 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: shock that, like I said, Adrian used his voice and 374 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: you know, he um he said he was being abused, 375 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: and the fact that people who are in power to 376 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: protect these children did nothing. I just I just want 377 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: some accountability. You know, I just I just want to know. Well, 378 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: that's what I keep saying. Why and nobody's even been 379 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: fired for Pete's sake. You know, I was looking at 380 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: the photos and I can hardly look at them, but 381 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 1: one there is blood streaming down his face. In one 382 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: of them, he's got on dirty boys underwear. They are 383 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: about to fall off of him because he's starved, exactly. 384 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 1: And the parents, Michael and Heather, had strapped cutting boards 385 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 1: to his starving body and strapped them to him where 386 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: he's struggling to stand up while wearing them. I don't 387 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 1: understand what that was about. I can tell you they 388 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: have pictures of all. What was that about. That was 389 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 1: because Adrian they were tasting him, he had big open 390 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: wounds on his body that we're just completely raw. Of course, 391 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: he was picking at himself, so she would use those 392 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: forms of torture basically to keep him from being able 393 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: to pick on himself. And that gash like injury that 394 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: he had on the spy of his face. Heather even 395 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: stated that she saw that gash up herself using a 396 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: medical kit because she had told the police that she 397 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: had middle military medical training and so, and I'm pretty 398 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: sure that that gash that he had on his face 399 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 1: that that she saw with the blood was one that 400 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 1: she actually sewed up herself. I have two DVDs in 401 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: my home here that was given to me because the 402 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,439 Speaker 1: first time that I ever spoke to the media was 403 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: after Heather sentencing. And the reason why I didn't speak 404 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: to the media prior to that was is because of 405 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 1: the ongoing an upcoming trial UM that was going to 406 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: be happening for Mike and Heather at that time, because 407 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 1: neither one of them had been sentenced at that point. 408 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: But I did speak to the media for the first 409 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: time after heather sentencing, and then that's when the landlord 410 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: UM that Mike and Heather rented from UM contacted me 411 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: via Facebook. And when she did, I wanted to speak 412 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 1: with her because I realized that she knew Heather and 413 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: Mike fairly well. And during that conversation I found out 414 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 1: that she was the one that had discovered UM in 415 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 1: the home and the iCloud the pictures of Adrian's abuse, 416 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: and that she had copies of of his abuse. So 417 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 1: we were able to meet her in Kansas City and 418 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: she gave me to d v d's of Adrian's abuse 419 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: and it took me a while two h even put 420 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: the DVDs into my DVD player. You know what, if 421 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: they are anything like the pictures and the video that 422 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: I've said, I could hardly stand it. And this is 423 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: what I have to say. You probably saved the life 424 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: of the one little girl you took in Key Kim, 425 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: so God bless you for that. The phone number for 426 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: the Kansas Attorney General's Office Derek Schmidt is seven eight 427 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: five two nine six two to one f repeat seven 428 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: eight five to nine six two to one five. Because 429 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: the only thing left now is to seek justice for Adrian, 430 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: and the only way I believe that can be done 431 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: is to fire or prosecute and put in jail the 432 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: child social workers that let him die, the police that 433 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: knew the defects, workers that knew he was being abused. 434 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: And for Missouri, the number of the Missouri Attorney General 435 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: told three eight hundred three nine to eight two two 436 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: two eight hundred three nine two eight to two two 437 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: outside Missouri five seven three seven five one three three 438 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: to one five seven three seven five one three three 439 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: two one. These are the numbers of the Kansas and 440 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: the Missouri Attorney General and Missouri is josh har Holly 441 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: And as I'm listening to Adrian's grandmother talk about this case, 442 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: I can only say one thing. Thank you Lord for 443 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: taking Adrian away from these people since the authorities left 444 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: him there to be abused and die. G D. Conway, 445 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Nancy Grace signing off, 446 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: goodbye friend, Bye,