WEBVTT - Dune: Prophecy Episode 2 with Haitch and Jason from Escape Hatch 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.160 Warning, Today's episode contains spoilers for Dune Prophecy Episode two 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:24.279 two Wolves. Hi, folks, I'm a boo and welcome to 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:27.560 x ray Vision Extras and x Ray Vision Series, where 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:31.680 we dive deep into even more of your favorite shows, movies, comics, 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:36.040 and pop culture. Every superhero team needs side quests and 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:39.920 our rotating panel of producers and guest hosts. We'll be 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:42.640 suiting up to help Jason and Rosie cover all of 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:47.239 the amazing nerd content out there today. I'm joined by 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:50.800 my fellow Dune nerds h and Jason. Let's go from 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:53.239 the Escape Patch podcast. Guys, thank you so much for 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:53.840 joining me. 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:55.960 The Dune Nerd cohort. 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:59.400 That's right, our legion, we stretch across the galaxy. It's 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:02.320 our time, stronger than we've ever been down here, it's 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:02.960 our time. 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:07.240 Yeah, we've labored in darkness for twenty forty fifty years. 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:10.160 Now the light of Max has shown upon us. 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:12.600 That's right. Yeah, so I might say we've waited ten 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:16.080 thousand years. Yeah, and our plans have finally come to fruition. 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:16.920 Yeah. 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:18.679 We're living in a bit of a dunoisance, aren't we. 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:20.440 Like there's been no better time to be a Dune fan. 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:24.000 I'd say it's pretty crazy watching this show and I'm like, 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:26.200 is this too much Dune? 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:27.760 Am I like, as like a. 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:32.320 Big dune head who's talked about Dune and has a 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:33.600 Dune podcasts, I'm like. 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:36.280 This is a lot. There's a lot of Dune for people. 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:38.800 I hope the people want Dune because they're getting it 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:41.559 in spades right now. It's a bumper crop season. 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:43.680 And then the backdrop of this, you've got the full 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:47.400 on Dune Part two FYC campaign running. You know, Denise 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:51.200 sitting down with Nolan and Zendeas out there like those 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:54.240 people are just on one right now. It is happening. Yeah. 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:56.120 Yeah, there's a lot of Dune out there, and I 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:58.360 feel like the people do want Dune. You know, people 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:01.640 are eating it up and being introduced to this world. 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:04.920 There's a lot of Spice daddies out there who have 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:07.480 been Dune fans since the eighties nineties and then passed 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:09.680 it on to their children. But I think we're getting 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:12.600 a new cohort of Dune fans as well, thanks to 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:14.720 the Danny Ville Neve adaptations and all this new Dune 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:15.720 stuff forgetting I'll. 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:17.080 Be right back. I got to update my bio to 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:18.720 say spice Daddy. 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:23.080 I also think with this episode, I think this show 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:25.600 is starting to find its footing, yeah, and really starting 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:27.400 to kick into gears. So it'll be interesting to see 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:28.799 how that resonates with people out there. 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:32.680 Yeah, definitely. Well, before we jump into recapping this episode 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:35.240 and sharing all of our nerdy Dune thoughts about it, 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:38.240 I am curious for our X ray Vision listeners who 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:41.160 might not have heard your guys' work. Can you each 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:43.000 fill me in on what your history with Dune is, 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:44.919 When did you first come across it, and how's it 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:46.040 played a role in your life. 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:49.919 So I read Dune at thirteen and was absolutely obsessed 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:51.920 with how awesome it was and what it would be 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:54.400 like to have all these super cool powers and to 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:58.040 beat Paula Trady's the coolest hero ever out there. And 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:00.320 I made it most of the way through Children Dune 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:04.120 before falling off and giving up nerdom for a while 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:07.560 through high school. So it's just been something that was there, 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:09.920 and as I circle back around, it has been an 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:12.359 anchor point for me, so much so that Jason and 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:15.520 I started a Dune podcast in twenty twenty just in 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:19.000 anticipation of the new Dune movie coming out, So that's 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:19.880 how we got into it. 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:22.400 Nice. What about you, Jason, Yeah, somewhat similar. 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:24.160 And you know, it's funny because we asked this question 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:26.440 of people as well who come on our podcast, and 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:28.320 some of them have no history with Dune, and some 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:30.120 of them have a very long history. The ones that 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:34.120 do it does tend to center around the thirteen year old, 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:38.280 mostly boy but not exclusively audience certainly that found this 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:41.440 book and like it just was like a prescient drug. 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:44.120 You know, it was a hallucinatory drug for a certain 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:48.240 type of nerdy gen X boy who was like, yes, 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:51.120 like there's a universe of special people. I knew it, 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:53.840 and if I could only use my brain to like 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:58.360 hone my attention and harness my body, then I too 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:01.040 could be the universe's ultimate as super being. I think 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:05.440 it's a message that does speak particularly to teenagers, and 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:07.960 then I think the rewarding part of Doune is that 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:09.720 you get older and you read into it, you realize 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:12.480 how subversive a lot of that message is actually meant 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:15.840 to be, and there's actual layers and nuanced to that 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:19.200 kind of surface the uber Mench story, and that's what 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:22.560 led us to start a podcast about it, and it's 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:23.200 been super fun. 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:26.280 Yeah, the darker side of that power fantasy, right, mm hmmm, 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:29.240 it would actually maybe be a little awful being Spider 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:32.520 Man as cool as it would be to swing around. Yeah. 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:32.800 Yeah. 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:35.400 And the danger of other people getting caught up in it, right, 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:38.240 other people being obsessed with this hero as being the 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:39.000 real challenge. 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:42.000 And as time has gone on, the message of the 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:46.000 danger of a charismatic leader generally and the danger of 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:49.760 a charismatic leader who's also a super nerd has only 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:53.760 become more relevant to our current state of affairs. So 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:57.680 it's really funny that Denny finally succeeded in bringing this 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:01.000 work to the screen after so many kin of there's 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:03.800 adaptations that we are fond of, but there are haven't 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:06.600 even ones that really plumb the true depths of what this. 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:08.120 Work I think Frank Arbin intended. 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:10.839 And now we're in this place where people are able 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:12.320 to really see it for what it is, and it's 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:13.800 pretty great and right on time. 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:17.800 Yeah, totally. Okay, Well, let's get into Dune Prophecy what 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.720 we're all here to talk about, specifically Dune Prophecy episode two. 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:24.599 Jumping right into our recap, we begin this episode with 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:27.440 a credit sequence, yeah, something we didn't get in the 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:31.040 pilot episode. We get like a very classic HBO credit sequence. 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:33.920 Lots of sand, lots of dune imagery, lots of worm stuff, 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:35.360 the blade with the blood. 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:38.880 Blade with the blood pomegranate, that's right, very sexy pomegranate. 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:41.240 A lot of imagery here. And certainly I don't know 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:43.680 if you two watched Foundation on Apple TV Plus, but 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:46.599 I got shades of Foundation intro sequence, yeah from this 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:50.000 as well, for sure. And after this credit opening credit sequence, 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:54.880 we joined Tula back on Wallack nine as she and 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:58.440 a former Benny Jesuits sister named doctor Nazir, who is 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:00.800 now a Souk doctor. And we know that from the 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:04.400 female suk that's right, a female Suk doctor. Yeah, we 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:07.719 know that from the diamond on her forehead. They examined 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:13.600 Kasha's body and ultimately the examination is basically inconclusive. All 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:16.360 they've been able to tell so far is that there 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:19.200 was no use of a quote unquote accelerant in the 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:22.520 body to look could not detect anything there, and doctor 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:26.839 Nazir tells us that there was a quote acute imbalance 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.520 in her meridian network end quote. 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:32.200 I mean, like, who hasn't been through that honestly, Like 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:35.800 I have two I have two children, and my meridian 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:38.920 lines have not been balanced in approximately six to seven years. 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:39.640 Real. 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:44.160 Yeah, though that's unreal. She died of like improper Kundalini 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:48.920 yoga practice, Yeah, exactly, Like it's a it's a real 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:52.760 indictment of whatever Pilate studio she went to right before 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:53.640 taking a nap. 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:56.760 So yeah, bummer for her. She really just went up 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:59.560 like a Roman candle because of that reformer Mischache. Yeah, 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:01.800 I don't know, or Casha, Yeah all right, Pete. 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:04.279 But what I find interesting is I think the show 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:07.760 is still keeping it very open to interpretation, especially for 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:11.200 Dene nerds like us. What this was. Are we talking 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:15.800 in psychic magic power? Are we talking like tlaylac xue, nanobots, 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:17.240 technology attack? 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:17.640 Right? 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:22.640 Doctor Nazir and Toula's examination still leaves both possibilities open 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:23.640 In my mind totally. 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:25.720 I think that's one of the most exciting things being 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:29.800 a dunehead but not familiar with this story in any way, 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:32.960 is that like, up until literally these two hours of television, 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:35.880 there is not a thing from Dune Proper that you 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:37.800 could put on screen where I wouldn't be like, well, 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:38.120 you know. 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:38.840 That's doctor Yue. 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:40.920 He's gonna portray everyone Like yeah, I would know what 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:44.040 was being signified by even if they were dressing it 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:46.200 up in different terms, even if it was like Yodoroski's 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:47.800 doing a Mick Jagger was in it or whatever. It's like, 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:49.600 I know where the story's going because I know the 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:53.840 bones of it. This is like this meridian misalignment combustioned situation. 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:57.120 I don't know, I got nothing on that. I haven't 0:07:57.120 --> 0:07:57.920 seen that before. 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:01.160 And so it is fun to finally be presented with 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:03.960 a real mystery. And I would say in Dune there's 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:06.840 not often a lot of real mystery because Herbert is 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:11.240 notorious for saying there's a secret plot at work in 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:14.120 chapter one, right, and then chapter two is the meeting 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:16.440 of the secret plotters, who tell you exactly what the 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:19.040 secret plot is, and so there's really not a mystery. 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:22.040 It's just a question of how the main character is 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:24.680 going to bump up against the mystery. And even the 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:28.560 main character is usually a super being who's omnipresent and omniprescient, 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:31.440 and you know when they finally encounter the plotters, like, yeah, man, 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:32.319 I know you've been doing this. 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:34.400 Shit since the beginning. Oh this is that, Like, this 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:35.640 is not a big surprise for me. 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:37.719 The universe is super being. What did you think you're 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:39.680 gonna pull here? But like on this one, like I'm 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:41.360 completely in the dark age. I don't know if you 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:43.120 knew what was going on with the combustion. 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:45.640 No, it's I think this is a fun part. And 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:49.720 but we specifically have not read any of Brian's books, 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:53.439 so we are coming into this fairly open. But to me, 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:55.679 the interesting part of this I had to look up 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:58.600 what is the Meridian Network, and it's a traditional Chinese 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:02.360 medicine concept. And this is again Herbert blending all these 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:05.200 different techniques and all these religions and all these different 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:08.480 ideas that are not just traditional Western infusing them together 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:11.200 in a very interesting way. Like, of course the Souk 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:14.000 would be trained on traditional Chinese medicine and chi and 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:15.040 that stuff. 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:17.360 So yeah, of course, y plus the connection to the 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:21.160 Mandarin that we saw in the Villna films from Doctor. 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:23.600 YUEI Yeah, yeah, absolutely very cool. 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:27.560 Well, returning to our recap, Tula gives Folly an update 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:31.600 on the Kasha situation and Volley declares, Yo, okay, I 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:34.800 gotta go to Seleucia secundis. Things are up in the air, 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:37.480 and I need to go fill the gap left by Kasha. 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:40.640 I gotta get this situation with house for Chesy and 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:46.000 the Emperor under control while I'm away, Valia, I need 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:48.319 you to have Lilah undergo the agony. 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:48.719 Right. 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:51.280 And so one interesting thing here she does not say like, 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.160 let me go make sure and protect Inez. She says, 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:58.120 we need to secure the princess to protect our plans. Like, 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:00.840 it is not about Inez who need to be protected. 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:03.600 It's just about what Valia wants. That's the only thing 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:04.080 that matters. 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:07.120 Yeah, which will come up again later in this episode, 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:11.120 because Sister Jen will tell Lila, Yeah, they only care 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:13.400 about the institution. They don't care about you as a 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:16.679 person in particular. Right, the plan comes first, the sisterhood 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:19.080 itself comes first for any one person. 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:21.960 Yeah, And I think you do get this great slice 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:25.800 of tula here. I love this performance that Olivia is giving, 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:28.880 and she to me through this, she comes across as 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:31.080 very genuine. I had moments where I was like questioning, 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:34.240 is she manipulating things as well? But she does come 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:36.680 across ultimately as quite genuine. 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:38.840 Yeah, and we'll touch on it. I do think she 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:42.280 is doing some manipulating throughout this episode, in particularly with 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:46.280 Lila in soft convincing her to go through with the agony. 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:49.720 But the returning to Lylah. The important thing here and 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:52.480 the big revelation we get in this episode pretty early on, 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:56.679 is that Lilah's great great grandmother is none other than 0:10:56.800 --> 0:11:01.240 ra Kella from the first episode. And we need Lyla 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:03.880 to undergo this agony. Is that so that she can 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:07.319 tap into her other memories and dial in Raquela real 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:10.959 quick and double check their facts here about the prophecy. 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:15.200 Yes, she's gonna go check her ancestral voicemail, great great 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:16.320 grandma find out. 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:18.959 What exactly were you talking? What did you see? Because 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:21.560 things have gone sideways right here in the present time. 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:23.480 So I want to ask you a question here. So 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:25.440 to me, the big one of the big questions for 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:28.400 this series is you know what is this tyran rfl 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:31.080 this reckoning that they keep talking about. Yes, so we 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:33.880 have an open question of like, A, is it Desmond 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:37.679 Heart and what is happening right here? B is it 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:42.680 Paula Trades becoming the emperor and unleashing a jihad that 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:47.400 will span across the galaxy cee. Is it the events 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:50.960 in God Emperor of Doune and the Tyrant and all 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:52.280 of that. I assume we're going to try and be 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:55.400 spoiler free for that that later stuff or even d 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:57.719 or E or whatever. Is it like the what you McCall. 0:11:57.720 --> 0:11:59.520 A prince who was promised that we won't get to 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:01.800 because time compression in the eighth season. 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:07.000 Exactly exactly right, something something three ad Raven Yeah, yeah, 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:09.640 you know. I think I think like the interesting part 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:13.800 and similar to leaving Desmond's powers still up in the 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:17.520 air and vague, I think we're intentionally leaving a tieran 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:21.040 RFL super vague, and it could be any of those 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:23.520 things that you listed. It could also be more Brian 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:27.040 Herbert type stuff like Omnius the Overmind, who's like the 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:31.440 big robot brain overmind, evil guy. I still don't think 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:35.400 we know. I think Valia is assuming it is Desmond, 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:37.440 and so by the end of this episode we see 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:39.240 her like really try to go hard in the paint 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:43.480 against Desmond and fail spectacularly. But I think that's a 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:47.000 very poignant question and something the show wants us to 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:49.240 be asking in all of these episodes, and hopefully over 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:53.119 the next couple episodes we will start getting more answers 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:54.480 towards what that danger might be. 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:58.200 It might just be the Benejees where it's like border security. 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:03.640 Threat. There's a threat we have to protect the Sisterhood homeland. 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:06.640 That's right, Yeah, like the I think that the interesting 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:09.160 thing because of the Brian Herbert influence on it. You 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:13.200 mentioned sort of his interest with like artificial superintelligence, and 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:15.800 the beginning of the first episode is the first depiction 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:18.640 we've ever had of the Baan Jahad, and the cover 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:21.720 story for the Rashek kid dying is that it was 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:25.680 his forbidden mechanistic toy that did it. I think there 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:32.520 is an overriding interest in the artificial intelligence part of 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:37.720 the Herbert universe, which is relatively unexplored in Frank Herbert's Hexology. 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:41.320 It's backdrop, but like it's ever encountered. Brian brings it 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:44.080 forward in the conclusion and then writes a lot more 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:47.439 about it subsequently, and so I wouldn't be surprised that 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:51.880 the threat of a artificial superintelligence is the lurking Big Bad, 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:55.760 either in the person of Heart or in some other 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:58.920 quadrant of the story that's yet to be explored. 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:02.240 Yeah, and for but it's worth I interviewed Alison Chapter, 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:06.520 the showrunner for Outside of x Ray, my own Dune 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:09.920 podcast Outside of x Ray, and she did very much 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:13.720 confirm that artificial intelligence, the dangers of technology, the human 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:17.160 technology relationship is a central theme that they will be 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:19.640 exploring in this show. It was something that they were 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:20.800 very much keeping in mind. 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:23.920 Yeah, it would be surprising given current events and that 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:25.640 if it was just like, actually, we have nothing to 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:28.040 say about AI, artificial general intelligence. 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:31.560 Yeah, exactly. All right, let's return to Seleuci Secundus and 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:35.400 this episode, things in the Imperial Court not going well. 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:40.840 Duke rich Hazy is absolutely livid, obviously heartbroken, seemingly over 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:44.000 the death of his son Pruitt. As you stated, Jason, 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:48.600 the death has been blamed on the little Decepticon robot toy, 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:52.320 and the Duke doesn't really buy this. We know from 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:57.000 the larger lore of the story, in particular Brian Herbert's 0:14:57.000 --> 0:15:00.840 books where rich Hazy plays a bigger role, are playing 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:03.400 around with a lot of tech. I suspect the Duke 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:05.960 knows this toy would not have been able to harm 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:09.320 right someone like this and so he's really not buying 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:12.240 what the Emperor and Empress are trying to sell him. 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:14.800 You know, you know who is not busted up is 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:18.840 our man Constantine, who is just he is sending f 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:20.640 me eyes to Pruitt sisters. 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:23.000 Yea, so hard throughout the entire. 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:26.160 Is not the time and place. 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:27.400 Yes, like, your. 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:30.240 Little brother just got cooked like a microwave hot dog, 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:33.640 and maybe you want to go back to my very 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:38.160 ornate treehouse slumber pad after this wraps up, after we 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:39.040 have the coffee cake. 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:42.160 Pretty strong moves from Constantine. 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:44.880 Yeah, and to be fair, Prud's sisters also given him 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:45.360 his back. 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:46.680 Oh for sure doesn't care about this. 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:48.800 Neither of them are really here for this funeral. 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:51.000 There's a line of dialogue She's like, I didn't know 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:55.120 that kid. Whatever, It's fine, I'm here to hook up totally. 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:57.880 But it's interesting the Emperor doesn't show for that, and 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:00.440 that the Empress is the one who is Perry. Yeah, 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:04.160 we're chazy. But then jumping straight to there to Desmond 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:06.840 and the Emperor, that scene is amazing. 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:11.240 Yes, I loved this. This was one of my favorite 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:14.040 scenes in this episode. We cut from that funeral to 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:18.120 Desmond and the Emperor having a private meeting in what 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:21.320 I've come to assume is the Emperor's podcast studio. 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:25.320 Yes, Yes, soundproofing is excellent. 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:31.480 Where he's like, this week we talk about everything. 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:34.000 Yeah, and in fact, this week on the podcast episode 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:37.520 Desmond confessing to murder. 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:41.360 That's a good Patreon exclusive. If you you wanted it, 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:46.560 you get the confession. Like any of the episode, it's wild. 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:49.360 He I mean, he really digs deep and doubles down. 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:51.760 He's like, look, I killed a young boy for you 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:54.400 once you want anyone who want to kill who's on 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:55.280 your ship list? 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:58.200 He's like, I think you know what you're dealing with here, right, 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:01.520 Like I kill people, you sort of like wink sideways 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:04.479 and people turn up burnt from the inside. Like that's right. 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:05.959 I thought we had an understanding. 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:09.119 Didn't we talk about this? Do you not remember the 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:12.440 other night? And I will say, Mark Strong, it has 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:13.840 been a highlight for me in this show. 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:14.280 Yeah. 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:17.400 He plays this like inept dufics of an Emperor really well, 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:20.160 and he's like, I, this is not what I meant, 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:22.840 This is not what I wanted. What are you talking about? 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:25.440 You confessing to my face on my podcast? 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:25.840 Right now? 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:28.080 He looks to the side. There's nobody there, dude, I 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:29.480 know who you're looking to it like. 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:32.400 I mean, presumably he's looking for Kasha, who's not there, 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:32.720 you know. 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:34.359 Yeah, good, good point. 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:37.680 He like really seems incapable of making his own decisions 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:40.760 without Kasha. She's become clearly become a crutch for him. 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:42.720 But he does come to a decision. He says, all right, 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:44.720 arrest this man, get him out of here. Karin A 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:48.119 Trades come to your thing, and they take Desmond and 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:50.119 throw him in the suspenser prison. 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:53.880 Dude, which looks luxurious? Awesome? 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:55.359 Does it not look kind of fun? 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:58.080 Me in the suspenser prison? My god? 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:01.439 Like, what how much does that treat costs? It seems great. 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:04.040 It doesn't seem bad at all. Like, what's the downside 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:06.000 of the suspenser prison? It seems great. 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:08.680 Maybe you're isolated a little bit, but you know, you're floating. 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:11.639 It is a good time to point out that the 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:13.920 production design and the overall like set design of this 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:15.520 show is riduculous. 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:16.480 Yeah, oh my goodness. 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:19.560 I mean it looks like one hundred million dollars every 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:23.200 single time they show any exterior. It's so ornate, it's 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:25.679 so well considered. I really like that. It seems to 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:30.320 have roots in the Patrice Vermett Denny villaneuv designed like 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:33.800 Dune universe from the movies, but it's got more detail 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:36.159 of more places than we've just never seen before. So 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:38.320 there's a lot more kind of there's a lot more 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:42.359 locations to explore and everything from the aforementioned pleasure treehouse 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:45.760 place where the Prince has his way with the Rechef's daughter, 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:50.280 to the Suspenser's spot to like the Emperor's like podcasting studio. 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:51.959 All these locations. 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:55.159 Are unreal, like they all look phenomenal, truly. 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:57.080 That's a real strength of the show. 0:18:57.119 --> 0:18:59.760 I feel I couldn't agree more. Okay, well, let's get 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:04.040 to an other unreal scene Constantine and Pruitt's sister. As 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:07.840 we discussed earlier, they're bumping some purple spice and also 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:12.960 bumping each other, yeah sexually, and we all mourn in our. 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:15.480 Own ways differently exactly. 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:17.600 Sometimes you just need to do cocaine. 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:19.560 This scene is four minutes long. 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:21.040 It's really long. 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:24.000 It definitely goes like three. 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:26.040 And a half minutes too long in my opinion, But. 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:28.520 I was watching it by myself, and I was like, 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:31.840