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Speaker 1: Warning, Today's episode contains spoilers for Dune Prophecy Episode two

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Speaker 1: two Wolves. Hi, folks, I'm a boo and welcome to

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Speaker 1: x ray Vision Extras and x Ray Vision Series, where

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Speaker 1: we dive deep into even more of your favorite shows, movies, comics,

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Speaker 1: and pop culture. Every superhero team needs side quests and

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Speaker 1: our rotating panel of producers and guest hosts. We'll be

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Speaker 1: suiting up to help Jason and Rosie cover all of

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Speaker 1: the amazing nerd content out there today. I'm joined by

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Speaker 1: my fellow Dune nerds h and Jason. Let's go from

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Speaker 1: the Escape Patch podcast. Guys, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: joining me.

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Speaker 2: The Dune Nerd cohort.

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Speaker 3: That's right, our legion, we stretch across the galaxy. It's

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Speaker 3: our time, stronger than we've ever been down here, it's

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Speaker 3: our time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've labored in darkness for twenty forty fifty years.

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Speaker 2: Now the light of Max has shown upon us.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, so I might say we've waited ten

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Speaker 1: thousand years. Yeah, and our plans have finally come to fruition.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We're living in a bit of a dunoisance, aren't we.

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Speaker 1: Like there's been no better time to be a Dune fan.

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Speaker 3: I'd say it's pretty crazy watching this show and I'm like,

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Speaker 3: is this too much Dune?

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Speaker 2: Am I like, as like a.

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Speaker 3: Big dune head who's talked about Dune and has a

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Speaker 2: This is a lot. There's a lot of Dune for people.

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Speaker 2: I hope the people want Dune because they're getting it

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Speaker 2: in spades right now. It's a bumper crop season.

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Speaker 4: And then the backdrop of this, you've got the full

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Speaker 4: on Dune Part two FYC campaign running. You know, Denise

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Speaker 4: sitting down with Nolan and Zendeas out there like those

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Speaker 4: people are just on one right now. It is happening. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of Dune out there, and I

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Speaker 1: feel like the people do want Dune. You know, people

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of Spice daddies out there who have

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Speaker 1: it on to their children. But I think we're getting

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Speaker 1: the Danny Ville Neve adaptations and all this new Dune

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Speaker 2: Be right back. I got to update my bio to

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Speaker 2: say spice Daddy.

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Speaker 4: I also think with this episode, I think this show

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Speaker 4: how that resonates with people out there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. Well, before we jump into recapping this episode

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Speaker 1: and sharing all of our nerdy Dune thoughts about it,

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Speaker 1: I am curious for our X ray Vision listeners who

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Speaker 1: might not have heard your guys' work. Can you each

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Speaker 1: fill me in on what your history with Dune is,

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Speaker 1: When did you first come across it, and how's it

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Speaker 4: So I read Dune at thirteen and was absolutely obsessed

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Speaker 4: I made it most of the way through Children Dune

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Speaker 4: through high school. So it's just been something that was there,

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Speaker 4: and as I circle back around, it has been an

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Speaker 4: I started a Dune podcast in twenty twenty just in

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Speaker 1: Nice. What about you, Jason, Yeah, somewhat similar.

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Speaker 3: And you know, it's funny because we asked this question

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Speaker 3: You know, it was a hallucinatory drug for a certain

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the darker side of that power fantasy, right, mm hmmm,

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Speaker 4: And the danger of other people getting caught up in it, right,

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Speaker 3: And as time has gone on, the message of the

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Speaker 3: become more relevant to our current state of affairs. So

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Speaker 3: it's really funny that Denny finally succeeded in bringing this

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Speaker 2: Work I think Frank Arbin intended.

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Speaker 3: And now we're in this place where people are able

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. Okay, Well, let's get into Dune Prophecy what

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Speaker 1: we're all here to talk about, specifically Dune Prophecy episode two.

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Speaker 1: Jumping right into our recap, we begin this episode with

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Speaker 1: a credit sequence, yeah, something we didn't get in the

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Speaker 1: pilot episode. We get like a very classic HBO credit sequence.

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Speaker 1: Lots of sand, lots of dune imagery, lots of worm stuff,

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Speaker 3: Blade with the blood pomegranate, that's right, very sexy pomegranate.

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Speaker 1: A lot of imagery here. And certainly I don't know

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Speaker 1: a former Benny Jesuits sister named doctor Nazir, who is

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Speaker 3: I mean, like, who hasn't been through that honestly, Like

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Speaker 3: I have two I have two children, and my meridian

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Speaker 3: Yeah, though that's unreal. She died of like improper Kundalini

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Speaker 2: So yeah, bummer for her. She really just went up

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Speaker 1: But what I find interesting is I think the show

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Speaker 1: Dene nerds like us. What this was. Are we talking

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Speaker 1: Doctor Nazir and Toula's examination still leaves both possibilities open

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Speaker 4: No, it's I think this is a fun part. And

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Speaker 4: in a very interesting way. Like, of course the Souk

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Speaker 1: So yeah, of course, y plus the connection to the

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Speaker 4: YUEI Yeah, yeah, absolutely very cool.

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Speaker 1: Well, returning to our recap, Tula gives Folly an update

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Speaker 1: on the Kasha situation and Volley declares, Yo, okay, I

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Speaker 1: gotta go to Seleucia secundis. Things are up in the air,

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Speaker 1: and I need to go fill the gap left by Kasha.

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Speaker 1: I gotta get this situation with house for Chesy and

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Speaker 1: the Emperor under control while I'm away, Valia, I need

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Speaker 4: And so one interesting thing here she does not say like,

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Speaker 4: it is not about Inez who need to be protected.

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Speaker 4: It's just about what Valia wants. That's the only thing

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which will come up again later in this episode,

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Speaker 1: because Sister Jen will tell Lila, Yeah, they only care

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Speaker 3: That's a good Patreon exclusive. If you you wanted it,

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Speaker 2: All these locations.

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Speaker 4: Honey, I have to talk about it for a podcast?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yanez seems to be perhaps one of the only

437
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,720
Speaker 1: capable ones. But the thing that bothered me was where

438
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,879
Speaker 1: is she this whole right? So she's very much been sidelined.

439
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 1: Does she not know about Desmond? Does she not know

440
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,199
Speaker 1: what the Emperor's doing right now? Is she just in

441
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,920
Speaker 1: her room grieving the whole time? She seems weirdly out

442
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:27,119
Speaker 1: of the bubble at the moment.

443
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,719
Speaker 3: How grief stricken can she be? It's not like she

444
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 3: was like madly in love with through it.

445
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:33,639
Speaker 2: No, No, it's not that.

446
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,840
Speaker 4: It's when Valia shows up for Kasha.

447
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,879
Speaker 1: For Kasha, yeah, because I think they had a bit

448
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,120
Speaker 1: of a maternal relationship there.

449
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:41,880
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah.

450
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:42,160
Speaker 2: Well.

451
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Speaker 1: Returning to Wallach nine eight in our episode, here, Lila

452
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 1: is struggling with this major decision that Tula has asked

453
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 1: of her to go through the Agne or not two.

454
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,440
Speaker 1: She consults her fellow sisters for some advice. Sister Emmeline,

455
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 1: for example, tells her, Hey, sacrificing a human life is

456
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 1: one of the greatest honors one can do. And you know,

457
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,639
Speaker 1: if things go bad and you like die or whatever,

458
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 1: you'll just go live in other memory with all our

459
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:08,400
Speaker 1: fellow sisters. It's like heaven for the.

460
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 2: Sister totally chill, yeah.

461
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 1: Whereas Sister Jen has a bit more of a grounded approach.

462
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Speaker 1: I for one, agreed with Sister Jen, my girl. She

463
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 1: was basically like, fuck that. Yeah, should you be taking

464
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 1: this risk or is Tula pushing you into it? Because

465
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 1: Tula's allegiance is more to the sisterhood than it is

466
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Speaker 1: to you.

467
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 4: All Right, I'm just gonna I'm going out on a limb,

468
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 4: and like, I do not trust Jen as far as

469
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 4: I can throw her.

470
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 2: I really, yeah, no, I.

471
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,360
Speaker 4: Think she's a plant or that whole thing with her

472
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,200
Speaker 4: like lying in the first episode or whatever. I'm very

473
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,679
Speaker 4: sus on her. I did not expect her. If you

474
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 4: Volyya and your plans and Tula, that was a pretty

475
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,640
Speaker 4: strong move for a position for an acolyte to take.

476
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

477
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Speaker 3: In general, one of my criticisms of the show would

478
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 3: be that the Benny Jeserit and It's maybe is just

479
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 3: era appropriate, like that Benny Jeserit a more immature or

480
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 3: order at this point in time, but like that they

481
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 3: seem more volatile, that there's less discipline, and we know

482
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 3: from later from chapter House and Heretics that like there's

483
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 3: often schisms within the Sisterhood in terms of like what

484
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 3: people think the right direction is, and that's like a

485
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 3: very interesting part of the Benny Jzerit dynamic. But at

486
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 3: this point in time, all of the main characters seem

487
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 3: a little bit more high strung and emotionally like volatile

488
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Speaker 3: and not as in control as I imagine the Benny

489
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Speaker 3: Jazzerit being like the Benny Jeserit are meant to be

490
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 3: bloodless and inflappable and capable of these fairly ruthless, utilitarian

491
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 3: decision making schemes, and both the acolytes and the folks

492
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,199
Speaker 3: running the show seem to be kind of figuring it

493
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Speaker 3: out as they go along, and there's a lot of

494
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Speaker 3: like quivering lip action as it relates to that figuring,

495
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 3: which seems a little out of character for Benny Jazerit

496
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Speaker 3: to me.

497
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Speaker 4: Yeah, in fairness. When the episode finished, HBO Max suggested,

498
00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 4: I watched Dune, so I just threw it on and

499
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 4: started watching it, and like, Rebecca Ferguson is off the map. Yes, yeah,

500
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 4: she is like falling apart, and I get it. I

501
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 4: actually like it. I like the fact that she pulls

502
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 4: herself to They show her pulling herself together before she

503
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 4: walks in to talk to the Duke, so you can

504
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 4: see that she can exert control when she needs to.

505
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 4: But they haven't got it dial Dan, I think, is.

506
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Speaker 3: That yeah, but you can trast that with after she

507
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 3: becomes a reverend mother in part two and she does sort.

508
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 1: Of like the bloodless, very stowic.

509
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the like you know, we're just gonna get

510
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 2: this business done.

511
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 4: All right, you got me there.

512
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Speaker 3: But I don't know I would have, particularly from like

513
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 3: value or something like that. I would have I think

514
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 3: like a slightly more Charlotte ramplay deserved. There should be

515
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,479
Speaker 3: some character in there who's just like our plans are

516
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 3: measured in millennia and like, yeah, whether or not this

517
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 3: kid lives or dies is really not the problem.

518
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 1: And so in my opinion on that has always been like,

519
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: I think this is a just a challenge with a

520
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: translation from the page to the screen. Yeah, you can

521
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: have a very stoic, cold, distant character on the page

522
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: because we can be inside their head and still be

523
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: understand their emotions on the screen. If you just have

524
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: like a cardboard cutout of a character the whole time,

525
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: we're not react. You're not giving the actor anything to

526
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: work with, and you're not giving the audience anything to

527
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: read on the screen. So I think it's an inherent challenge.

528
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 4: What if you just put their inner monologues as voiceover

529
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 4: there we go I could never go.

530
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 3: H, I think you're onto something, So Benny Jesuit track,

531
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 3: it was like a bonus feature.

532
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right.

533
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:29,239
Speaker 2: All right.

534
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: Returning to our recap, what I find absolutely hilarious is

535
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 1: while Tula is preparing the Russick poison, one of Volia's

536
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 1: confidants comes in and she's like, he is the agony

537
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 1: still happening right? Just to get done?

538
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 2: He's still doing the agony tonight, right?

539
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: Are we still doing it? Or is it still on

540
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 1: the agenda?

541
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Speaker 2: Like?

542
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: I haven't gone.

543
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 2: Because I made meat loads right right?

544
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: I made the meat loaf. I didn't get the calendar invite.

545
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 1: Where's the meat loaf going? And I found this really

546
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: interesting because I think it tells us a lot about

547
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: Vallia herself. Valia very much clearly a bit of a

548
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: control freak here, even someone as close to her as

549
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: her sister Tula, she does not trust to run things

550
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: and make the hard decisions, and she's left someone behind us.

551
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: It's sort of like a watcher and caretaker to make

552
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: sure things get done. In a following scene, we then

553
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 1: see Tula trying to get things done. She speaks with

554
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 1: Lilah and reinforces like, Lilah, this is your choice. I

555
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: want you to be the one who decides to do

556
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: the agony or not. But also, like.

557
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 2: Your mom might be, maybe you'll meet your mom.

558
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 1: Don't you want to meet your mom?

559
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 2: This is one hundred percent your choice, but it is

560
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 2: also your one chance to see your dead mom. So

561
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 2: weigh that, uh huh in your general calculus, and yeah,

562
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 2: let's let me know what you decide. Chill either way,

563
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 2: no problem.

564
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's an interesting position to put Tula in.

565
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 4: She obviously cares desperately about Lila, yes, but she also

566
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 4: knows that she quote unquote has to do that it

567
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 4: has to happen. So I felt like she was genuine.

568
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 4: I give her like maybe at least sixty forty or

569
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 4: maybe seventy percent innocent, maybe thirty percent tainted, I don't.

570
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 3: Know, only thirty percent sending her to her death using

571
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 3: her dead mother.

572
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, that's good.

573
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: Only thirty percent emotional manipulation and blackmail exactly. I agree, though.

574
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: I also read Tula's emotional moments in this episode as genuine,

575
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 1: and I think she does care for Elilah, but she

576
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 1: has been sort of living under the thumb of her older,

577
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: much more colder sister for the last thirty plus years

578
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: and clearly knows what has to get done, and here

579
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 1: she is doing it. All right, guys, let's take a

580
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: quick ad break here as we do. We got to

581
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 1: pay our spice bills, but we'll be right back in

582
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: a little bit. Folks to continue our recap and keep

583
00:27:47,200 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: talking about doing prophecy. All right, welcome back everyone, Let's

584
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: continue talking about doing prophecy. Episode two, returning to Seleucias, Secundas,

585
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: Vallia arrives just in time to diffuse a very heated

586
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: confrontation between Havoco and to crit Chesy. Obviously, Rachesy has

587
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: learned about Desmond. He's demanding to meet the man who

588
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 1: killed a pru it. Havoco's trying to bluff his poorly

589
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: bluff his way out of this. Yeah, and how about

590
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: just when.

591
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,719
Speaker 4: The doors just pop open and she walks in.

592
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: It's like a very mic drop moment, a pretty cool, very.

593
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 4: Big entrance that she makes, and she like does a

594
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 4: quick hand signal to Richesi's Benajezra advisor, and he is

595
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 4: on the leash and on his way out the room,

596
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 4: like very strong.

597
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 2: Get him out of here, move this party outside. Yeah.

598
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think this show is at its strongest

599
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: when we see very directly in scenes like this, the

600
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: Benny Jesuit pulling strings, pulling the strings of the very powerful.

601
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 4: It's a little weird that like these guys can't figure

602
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 4: this out. Watch she shakes her hand and like the

603
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 4: guy gets pulled out.

604
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 2: Well, I have like what's her face?

605
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 3: The ri chazy Betty jesuit like literally nods like okay,

606
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 3: you got it, Like it's not like it's not as

607
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 3: her subtle hand signal back for yes is nodding.

608
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 2: Directly at her right. I don't know. I don't know

609
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 2: if you need Prano Bindu training to decipher that and

610
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: the meaning behind that one. Yeah, but you know it's

611
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 2: still fun to see them, yeah, you know, use their

612
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 2: special powers.

613
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: I do agree. As much as I like seeing the

614
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: Benny Jesuit pull the strings, Yeah, I would like some

615
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: pushback as well. I'd like some nuance there. Yeah, and

616
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: we get a little bit. I mean, the Emperor's like,

617
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: was Kasha lying to me? Falia? Did you tell Kasha

618
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: to lie to me? There's a bit of questioning, but yeah,

619
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: all of these men in charge do seem to just

620
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: be going along with what their advisors are telling them.

621
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Speaker 4: This is interesting though, when she says that she wants

622
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 4: to When Balio says that she wants to interview Desmond, yes,

623
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 4: the Emperor initially says no, and the Empress says.

624
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 2: No, why don't you go ahead?

625
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 4: And let her interview. Yeah, and he's like, oh, yeah,

626
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 4: she likes debate or whatever.

627
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: So like she likes debate, the debate team.

628
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 3: She did debate back in you know, finishing school, Empire,

629
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 3: finishing school, she was a Lincoln.

630
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 2: Douglas champion, And that's her viewpoint on the whole thing.

631
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 4: But in my opinion, the Empress has been giving big

632
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 4: warning red lights, big big.

633
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 2: Yeah Lady Macbeth vibes.

634
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,479
Speaker 4: So do you think her take was that Desmond would

635
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 4: just deal with her, like putting her in front of

636
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 4: Desmond would allow her to get taken out.

637
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: I think I agree that I'm getting major vibes, weird

638
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: vibes from the Empress. I think this was her chance

639
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: to learn more about Desmond. I think she very much

640
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: wants to use Desmond. But again, if you've never shot

641
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: a gun and someone's like, you want a loaded gun,

642
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: she's maybe wanting someone to just check that the safety

643
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: is still on before she picks up the gun. Right,

644
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: she wants, perhaps Volia to do a bit of a

645
00:30:58,560 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: gut check on Desmond.

646
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's right.

647
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 3: I write it as like, let's see what this thing

648
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 3: can do, Like we got this guy, like we've got

649
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 3: this child toaster, Let's see, you know what he can

650
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 3: do against the Benny juzzer with truth there?

651
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, like find out what else it might be useful.

652
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 3: Like it goes along with the general theme, which is

653
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 3: best example fight in this episode of this it's not

654
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 3: the spice azing but the Rosac poisoning agony, which is

655
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 3: like that crisis is what's necessary to bring about change. Yes,

656
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 3: and so that's why the poison brings out these special

657
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 3: abilities and people because it puts them through this crisis.

658
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 2: And she's similarly like.

659
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 3: Trying to provoke a crisis by seeing what happens when

660
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 3: she puts this kind of untested weapon with the Mother Superior,

661
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 3: and she says, oh, it's not every day we get

662
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 3: the Mother superioror it's like, let's see what kind of

663
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 3: trouble we can get into.

664
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: Here, right, Ken Desmond danced toe to toe with the

665
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: best of the best. Yeah, the Mother Superior.

666
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 4: She has not had any beg training, right, the Empress,

667
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 4: not that I know of.

668
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: Okay, certainly not in the books either. Yeah, but she

669
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: does seem to be giving off some religious fives. Later

670
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: on in the episode, she like ask Desmond if he's

671
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: a price you don't just like go around asking people

672
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: whether their profits unless you already have something religious in mind.

673
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: So I agree there's a big question mark about the

674
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: Empress till that I think we will learn more about. Well,

675
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: let's go to the interview itself. Vollia interviews Desmond. They

676
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: do a bit of shit, talking back and forth for

677
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: a little bit, and ultimately Desmond once again confesses that

678
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: he has killed pruing. He loves it.

679
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 4: He loves confessing.

680
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 2: He loves to confess.

681
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: Honestly, he can't wait to confess, Like, my guy, can

682
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: you wait. It's like, look, can you plead the fifth verse?

683
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: I burn kids with my eyes. That's my thing. His

684
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: lawyers like, God, damn it, stop.

685
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 2: Kink shaming me. That is just what I do.

686
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 4: I saw one of the showrunners say that the specifically

687
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 4: the way they what they like about him is that

688
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 4: that's his thing. He just tells the truth and he

689
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 4: is moving forward, which I think is an interesting idea.

690
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 4: And Jason, to what you were saying earlier of Herbert

691
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 4: putting stuff out there for people to see, it's interesting.

692
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

693
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: I think that's a strong point age because in a world,

694
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: in an imperium where lies are a major currency. Here

695
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: is a man who comes in and keeps saying the

696
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: uncomfortable right truth about killing children out loud, right, and

697
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: I think that that makes them quite dangerous but also

698
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: quite attractive, as we'll see with the Emperor and Empress

699
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: wanting to utilize him.

700
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 4: But he's not. He doesn't have a positive vision that

701
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 4: he's communicating for what the imp He says, he's a

702
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 4: soldier of the Imperium. He's working only for the Imperium.

703
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 4: But it's not clear that, like Kieran, we have a

704
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 4: sense is motivated by.

705
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 2: Some ideological ideals.

706
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's inequity that needs to be addressed, but we

707
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 4: don't get that sense from Desmond that this is like

708
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 4: a crusade for him for a reason.

709
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: Right right, he's the wild card friend.

710
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,719
Speaker 3: It's almost as if Desmond is has got some underlying

711
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 3: programming per se that like says, oh, like he's meant

712
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 3: to serve the imperium. And if that means that everyone

713
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 3: needs to be turned into a paper clip in order

714
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,959
Speaker 3: to better serve the efficiency of the imperium, like that

715
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 3: is how he will execute the commands.

716
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, he also admits, in addition to admitting to

717
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: killing Pruitt. He admits to killing Kasha as well. Yeah,

718
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: mostly right, yeah, mostly.

719
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 4: He didn't say yes, I killed her, but he did say,

720
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 4: like I found her wanting or whatever what. I can't remember.

721
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 2: Exactly she had to go.

722
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: He kind of talked around, yeah.

723
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 4: But you definitely got the impression. Yes, But I thought

724
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 4: that was an interesting choice that he didn't. As much

725
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 4: as he loves saying.

726
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: It right, he was a little more circumspect with that one.

727
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: He also tells Valia that Shai Hallud has taken his eye,

728
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: the eye that we keep getting like close ups on

729
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: and camera, and given him the power to see things

730
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: that even you, Valia Harken in Mother Superior cannot see.

731
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 2: Right.

732
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 4: So obviously that makes us think of quez Asterak, the

733
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,439
Speaker 4: idea that he can go to the place where they're

734
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 4: afraid to look. Yeah, and so right, you're getting us,

735
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 4: You're putting the hooks in, right.

736
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: A lot of fun little breadcrumbs like that for Dune

737
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: fans to pick up on throughout these episodes. Unfortunately, I

738
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: guess confessing to multiple murders doesn't really have any consequences

739
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: here for our guy Desmond. No, because by this point,

740
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: the Emperor and Empress are much more interested in using

741
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 1: him as a political weapon against we're chasing in particular,

742
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: but I'm sure other enemies they have as well.

743
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 3: Yes, well we know they're short on weapons, Like we

744
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 3: know these Carinos are somehow in powered just right, not

745
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 3: how many ships or anything.

746
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 5: Like.

747
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 2: All they've got is this like amazing architecture. So then

748
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 2: now they've got Now they've got a guy who can

749
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,280
Speaker 2: barbecue people from across the galaxy.

750
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 3: Like all right, well that's gotta be good for something. Yeah,

751
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 3: we're just trying to rub two sticks together and you.

752
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,439
Speaker 2: Know, make a fire. You're like, you know, like see

753
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 2: what we can get done.

754
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: That's a great point.

755
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 4: These guys are going to rule this the Imperium for

756
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 4: ten thousand years.

757
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 2: They're at a weak point right now.

758
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 3: They've become too reliant on influence from outside activist groups

759
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 3: and they need to really reconfigure how they're thinking about

760
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:48,919
Speaker 3: the administration of their state.

761
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: Certainly. Well, meanwhile, we cut to here into Treadees doing

762
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: some like three D scanning for like a school project.

763
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: I'm sure in the palace we also hear in the

764
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: back garn Constantine getting yelled at, which I thought was hilarious.

765
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 2: I love that.

766
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 4: I didn't get it until I put the subtitles on.

767
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 4: I was like, why don't you stop talking? Go play

768
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:08,720
Speaker 4: your ballast?

769
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, go to your room.

770
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: I did like that detail. We cut from Kieran doing

771
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: his three D scanning back to what I think is

772
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: the Club Barbara on the first episode Club, and here

773
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 1: he is meeting with his fellow rebels. As we come

774
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: to learn, he is part of a larger rebel plot

775
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: and they are seemingly working against the Carinos or the

776
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: great Houses, the lands Ride in general, people in power.

777
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: I guess in general, their mission statement seems quite vague.

778
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 3: I will say, yeah, this is where when I was

779
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 3: reading your very helpful show rundown of what was going on,

780
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, thank you for letting me know

781
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 3: what was going on in this scene. Because, and this

782
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 3: is one of my other criticisms of the show, is

783
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 3: that I love the set and setting.

784
00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: I love the doomedness of it.

785
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 3: I think it's very faithful to like Dune vibes, both

786
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 3: in production design and palace intrigueness of it all. I

787
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 3: think there's cool, mysterious hooks in it. I think some

788
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 3: of the actual writing is a little bit clunky or

789
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 3: opaque are I think just from a dialogue perspective, it

790
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 3: doesn't really sing in any particular way. It's very serviceable,

791
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 3: but it often devolves into exposition theater of like, oh,

792
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 3: here comes that guy who's descended from Like in this scene,

793
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 3: it's like he's literally descended from a new traders who.

794
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 2: Fought against a little buddy. It's like, all right, great,

795
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 2: well you could have put that on a title guard

796
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: or something, mean, you know, like you had.

797
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 4: Us on a tradees like we were in.

798
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, we know who they are. I agree.

799
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 3: I think what the motivation of this group is who

800
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 3: you know meets at the only bar on Solucis Secundas

801
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 3: repeatedly it's a very hot bar that to me was

802
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 3: not drawing me in.

803
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 4: Well, okay, listen two things. First of all, when the

804
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 4: guy started talking about the guy that was there opening

805
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 4: the briefcase or whatever looking at it. When he's like,

806
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 4: we got to take this rebellion public, I was like, oh, okay,

807
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 4: So the note they got with somebody you know two

808
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 4: years ago, three years ago, they're working on the show

809
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 4: and and and Or's happening, and they're like, okay, yea, yeah,

810
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 4: this is the greatest thing. Ever, how do we shoehorn

811
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 4: and or in here?

812
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 2: Yeah?

813
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 4: Then the second was there was a question last week

814
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 4: for the first episode of why is there such a

815
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 4: big deal with this Fremen character that's working in the bar.

816
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 4: She's got the blue on blue eyes. But she's a

817
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 4: named cast member, so we know we're going to see

818
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 4: her again, And here we see her as part of

819
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 4: the resistance, and then in the very next scene we

820
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 4: learned that she is in fact Sister Mikayla of the

821
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 4: Benejezer Order, who is helping to orchestrate this whole thing.

822
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 4: That's right, Yeah, which I will say, we went from

823
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 4: a scene that absolutely didn't work for me, this rebel scene,

824
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 4: this here in the trade scene. Jason, I agree with

825
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 4: all of your criticisms here about the writing. I think

826
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 4: you put it beautifully like the writing does not sing

827
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 4: at all in the scene.

828
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,959
Speaker 1: It's very clunky. It's all tell and practically no show.

829
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 1: We then cut to a scene that really worked for me, Yeah,

830
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: because we cut to then Volia meeting with Sister Mikayla

831
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: on a pretty cozy looking boat, and here we learn

832
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: that sister Mikayla was responsible for the attack that Desmond

833
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: survived on Aracus. So the Sisterhood is orchestrating things on

834
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: a Racus. They're pulling much bigger strings than we thought

835
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: from behind the scenes, right, And this whole plot that

836
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: Kiaran Atrades has wrapped up in is also just another

837
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: Sisterhood scheme that they're using to undermine the Emperor.

838
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 5: Yeah.

839
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: I think that was a lot of fun.

840
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 2: And I like, I do like this.

841
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 3: This is what I'm talking about with like the ruthlessness

842
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 3: of the Benny Jeser was like, well, look, we're gonna

843
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 3: have to give him something. It's like, all right, we'll

844
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 3: give him this a trading sword master. I really like that,

845
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 3: just like throw him over, Like that's fun. And I

846
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 3: think to Age's point, it does feel like an and or,

847
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 3: Like it gives me the and or fuzzies, because I'm like,

848
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 3: all right, it's like, you know, yeah, talk to me

849
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 3: about the Sunless space.

850
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 2: Just please, Like I just need I just need a

851
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: little hit to last me over until I Door season

852
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 2: two comes out.

853
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 4: April of twenty five.

854
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, close.

855
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 2: So far.

856
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:55,720
Speaker 4: Oh man, oh my gosh.

857
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 2: Well.

858
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: We then cut to the spy himself, Kieran a trade's

859
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 1: he is sparring with the princess once again. Princess Yez

860
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: working through some grief and anger about Kasha's death, and

861
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: she shares with Kieran a traumatic kidnapping that has been

862
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: scrubbed from the history books because you don't want to

863
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: make the Karinas look bad. But it has a great name,

864
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: the Broken Chain, the Broken Chain rebellion. And she sort

865
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: of lays out I think for me again, a little

866
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: clunkily and on the nose, opaque writing here, but she

867
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 1: kind of lays out the thesis statement of the show.

868
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 1: It's all politics. We're all just pieces on the board

869
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: to be played in pursuit of power and spice.

870
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 4: Did we mention this price?

871
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: I wish she had said it exactly like that. I

872
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 2: wish it'd have been the ASMR space.

873
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 4: Well, it's interesting because when we had last episode when

874
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 4: Kasha said when I first found you and you'd been

875
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 4: captive for years.

876
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 2: And we were like, what is that about?

877
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 4: What is that story? It is very clear here that

878
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 4: this was a Benejeza plot to have her be kidnapped

879
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 4: and then to have her be rescued, like this whole

880
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 4: thing has been completely set into motion controlled every step

881
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 4: of the way.

882
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 2: And that's fun. That's what the Beg should be doing.

883
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 3: They should be kidnapping royal princesses for plans that pay

884
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 3: off in twenty five years.

885
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 2: That is their bread and butter.

886
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 3: If they're not good at that, all they have left

887
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 3: is some fish soup recipes. I'm like, they don't really

888
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 3: have a lie going the meat loaf, Yeah, that's right.

889
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 2: Salia's some questionable dinners back on Wallach nine.

890
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: That's right, But she does.

891
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 4: Inez does call it off with Kiri. He tries to

892
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 4: get close to her and she's like, look now, it

893
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 4: ain't happening.

894
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 1: So that's right.

895
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 4: That's some space. That's interesting to see how he develops.

896
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

897
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,879
Speaker 1: I also liked that in this scene we confirmed an

898
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: extra bit of lore about shields technology. The soft cheek

899
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 1: caress does pierce the shields.

900
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

901
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you can have your shield on and still

902
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: be making out. That's great tonight.

903
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 4: Nice.

904
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

905
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, while all of this is happening, Empress Natalia goes

906
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: to Desmond and asks him the question that perks my

907
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 1: ears up? Are you a prophet? Desmond Heart? His answer

908
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: is quite interesting. He says, I would have said no

909
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: in the past, but now I don't know. Clearly he's

910
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: had a bit of a rebirth as well, perhaps a

911
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: spiritual rebirth or a physical one. Still TBD on that,

912
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: and Natalia decides to free Desmond because it's time. It's

913
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: time to point the loaded gun at Duke for Chazy,

914
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: and that's exactly what we see happen in a couple

915
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: of scenes here Duke for Chesy once again confronting Havgo,

916
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: but this time Desmond makes an entrance and sort of

917
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: lightly cooks.

918
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 2: Him, puts him on defrost. Yeah.

919
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, he's just as it was happening.

920
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 3: I was like, how are they gonna explain this? They're

921
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 3: just gonna kill the head of like a major house. Yeah,

922
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, okay, they're not gonna kill him,

923
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 3: They're just gonna toast the marshmallow a little bit here.

924
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 2: I was like, is that easier to explain that? Yeah? Like,

925
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: my guy ended up getting Freddy Krueger a bit.

926
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 3: I'm in the throne room and now is going to

927
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 3: show up at the next Lanzard meeting with a little

928
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 3: bit of the hound makeover.

929
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: He's going to show up like Jay Leno and be like,

930
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: I fell down set of stairs exactly.

931
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 2: Bro, you didn't fall down stairs. I was staying out

932
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 2: of the Kinton. I'm a lay billionaire, was staying on

933
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 2: the kit in and I fell. I was taking a ramp.

934
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 4: I fell and uh yeah.

935
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

936
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 3: It's very confusing how they think that's gonna work out.

937
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 3: But I do think it's sort of there, like, well,

938
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 3: you know, now we've got this guy, we can get

939
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 3: away with stuff that we didn't before.

940
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 2: They feel emboldened.

941
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 1: They are emboldened, certainly, I just don't feel like they

942
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: should be that bold.

943
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 4: That's my take. Fundamentally. It just doesn't feel like it's

944
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 4: that much of a game changing power. I mean, maybe

945
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 4: if you can nuke people from across the galaxy that

946
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 4: that's actually pretty good.

947
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 2: That's what he can do.

948
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, and perhaps that's what he should have done, you know,

949
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: like why play your trump card in a way where

950
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: Duke for Chazy's just gonna go to the Landstrode and

951
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: be like, hey, he's got like a he's got like

952
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: a bluetooth like.

953
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 2: Rose, he's got this remote activated laser cooker. Not good.

954
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 2: You can use it against you too.

955
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: If the guy in the trench code walks into the room.

956
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 1: You gotta leave get it exactly. Yeah, it's a questionable

957
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: political move, and I can maybe come to terms with

958
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: it by just writing it off as like Havoco is

959
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,959
Speaker 1: not the most politically savvy emperor, right.

960
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 2: And I think he likes feeling.

961
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 3: I think he's felt so unempowered, he's felt so weak

962
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 3: and dependent on that he's willing to just like run

963
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 3: with it. And like, you know, he's kind of been

964
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 3: worked into a corner now by his wife and you know,

965
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 3: everything else. So it's like, all right, I guess we're

966
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 3: gonna run with it. It is like kind of a big

967
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 3: beast situation.

968
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: Totally all right. Returning to Wallach nine, we see what

969
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: I think is actually my favorite sequence of this episode. Yes,

970
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: Lilah undergoes the agony. I thought, this is this is incredible,

971
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: this is top.

972
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 2: This is what can make a series. This scene of

973
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 2: the other memory.

974
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 4: Is hold on before we even get to it, just

975
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 4: like I poisons that location where they're doing it. She

976
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 4: goes to caress her, but then takes her head and

977
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 4: lays her down. All of the acolytes are watching, and

978
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 4: then the language all that matters is the light for

979
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 4: this poison. There is no antidote. I was like, hell, yes,

980
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 4: let's yes.

981
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:02,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good.

982
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: Yes, it was good.

983
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 3: I think you're right to call out the setting because

984
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 3: it does do this fun thing that like Dune does well,

985
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 3: which is this combination of ritual and science right where

986
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 3: like it looks like a laboratory, but they're doing like

987
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 3: a religious ceremony of some sort. That combination is very

988
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 3: fun and very on brand for the universe. And we've

989
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 3: just never seen this, like, this isn't the Spice agony,

990
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 3: and this is canonical, Like they do not always make

991
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 3: reverend mothers using the Spice essence, like they use other

992
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 3: forms of agony and treatments that they just need to

993
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 3: provoke some kind of interior crisis. But we've never we've

994
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 3: really never seen this. Even in Villano's Dune, we don't

995
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 3: get the interior life of what the contact with other

996
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 3: memory looks like. So it's a new development for Dune heads.

997
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think appropriately horror coded. Yeah, you know,

998
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 1: appropriately a difficult thing to undergo. Yeah, and it explains

999
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: so much about how the Benny Jesuit will operate for

1000
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: the next ten thousand years in terms of abomination, in

1001
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: terms of how delicate they are with other memory and

1002
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: the use of it. I think it shows us like,

1003
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: oh yeah, if I underwent this, I too would be

1004
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:17,240
Speaker 1: very careful around this sort of superpower. It's horrifying stuff.

1005
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 4: I also just want to call out briefly, there hasn't

1006
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 4: been consistency in how other memory works over the course

1007
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 4: of the series.

1008
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 2: That's true within Herbert as well.

1009
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, like initially it was like reverend mothers would share

1010
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 4: with each other. In the later books, like at the

1011
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 4: moment of death, they connect and then they pass over

1012
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 4: their essentially their consciousness as opposed to just having the

1013
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 4: memory or you have in God Emperor, like someone is

1014
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 4: reliving memories of being on Canterbury Tales like walking.

1015
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,240
Speaker 2: So like my question is it's unclear.

1016
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, if you are accessing your genetic memory, but

1017
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 4: sometimes the person who shows up at the end of

1018
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 4: this episode in other memory, their reactions were based on

1019
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 4: having been betrayed, which was something that happened after they

1020
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 4: had passed on their genetic material. Yes, so is the

1021
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 4: concept here that consciousness is something that transcends time and space,

1022
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 4: and that access through genetic memory is what allows you

1023
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 4: to basically get a beacon to connect to that consciousness

1024
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:18,720
Speaker 4: which still exists in some way.

1025
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 3: Or there's a simulacrum of that person's consciousness that persists

1026
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 3: in this like the memory space. It's not actually like

1027
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 3: the real person, but it's the matrix uploaded version of

1028
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 3: that person that like has like agentic will as though

1029
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:33,760
Speaker 3: they were that person.

1030
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 2: But abu, where is.

1031
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 4: That running aws? Or like where is that?

1032
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: And that's the thing which cloud server is. We're all

1033
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: where we're uploading.

1034
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 2: You know.

1035
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: It's that Black Mirror episode where they upload all the

1036
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: after people die and they upload the consciousness. Right, yeah, yeah,

1037
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: there is no law answer to this, right, I think, Jason,

1038
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: you just said it. Frank Herbert himself just did whatever

1039
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: he wanted with other memories as far as like telling

1040
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: his stories. I don't think he nailed down exactly how

1041
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: other memory worked. It continued to evolve and change in

1042
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 1: every book. There's other examples. There's a certain character that

1043
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: returns to Children of Dune for folks who know that

1044
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 1: comes back via other memory and is like doing stuff

1045
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: that like practically makes no sense for another memory to do.

1046
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: I think the show, at least for me, gets a

1047
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: free lore pass to use other memory how they want

1048
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: in this instance, and Age, you're right, we are getting

1049
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: this like we're tapping into Dorote who comes back and

1050
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: takes over Lila in like a truly horrific moment. Dude,

1051
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: got me?

1052
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 4: That got me?

1053
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: That was great. Yeah, to see abomination in that way

1054
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: was and huge props to the actor as well.

1055
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 4: And the visual effects of the dead face and stuff

1056
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 4: like that.

1057
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: Was really amazing stuff. But yeah, they really are sort

1058
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: of like they're on who Wants to be a Millionaire

1059
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: and they're just dialing in Riquella for help on the

1060
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 1: million dollar question. And is that how Frank Kerbert intended

1061
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: other memories to work. We don't know. I think it's

1062
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: quite elusive and the lore never quite nails it down.

1063
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: But it was still really fun to see here. And

1064
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: I think the interpretation of all these spooky personas closing

1065
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: in on you and you perhaps losing yourself within them

1066
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,720
Speaker 1: as they drown you. I thought it was really well done.

1067
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 4: Yea Tula saying that they wake up hungry was amazing. Yes,

1068
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 4: that was scary, But then Rackuella's message, the key to

1069
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,479
Speaker 4: the reckoning is one born twice once in blood once

1070
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 4: in Spice, a revenant full of scars, a weapon of

1071
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 4: war on a path too short.

1072
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, this made me think doctor SEUs could never honestly.

1073
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, but this read Paul to me, right, like he

1074
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 4: he did not take the Golden Path. So like that

1075
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 4: was how I was looking at it.

1076
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 3: Well, one born twice is very hard to read. Is

1077
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 3: not Gola related, right, I mean, like that is certainly

1078
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 3: very Gola coded.

1079
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,919
Speaker 4: No born the second born in Spice? Is the water life?

1080
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 4: Is Paul taking the water of life?

1081
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1082
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: The coma scene perhaps, yeah? Yeah, maybe again vague, it's fair,

1083
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 1: It's fair. Gola seems realistic. I think you could transplant

1084
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: this on practically anyone, you know, Desmond, Yeah, for sure,

1085
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: which maybe is the obvious red herring that the show

1086
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: is wanting you to guess. But yes, Paul, certainly, I

1087
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: think is a strong candidate. Another character after Paul, I

1088
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 1: think is perhaps a great candidate as well. I will say,

1089
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: I think the thing that this maybe shoots down is

1090
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 1: like Omnius ai overlord, because like that, to me, is

1091
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: not a character who is born in blood once and

1092
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 1: then reborn in.

1093
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 2: Spice, right, definitely not born in blood.

1094
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: So this to me, at least is pointing towards a

1095
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 1: person and perhaps not a robot.

1096
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 3: I would like it not to be in a Trade's

1097
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 3: ten thousand years from now. Like similarly, you know, I

1098
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 3: would like it not to be somehow Paul Trade's returned.

1099
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 2: I would like it to be something that's like a

1100
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 2: new bit of lore.

1101
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 3: And like I kind of agree that Desmond feels like

1102
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 3: a head fake, like he's the obvious one right now,

1103
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 3: but I would like it to be something else. But yeah,

1104
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,720
Speaker 3: it's fun. We get a prophecy. The name of the

1105
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 3: show is like and it rhymes. It's a classic one.

1106
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 3: I like that were in this dark, ghosty afterlife insane

1107
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 3: asylum with their melty faces or whatever.

1108
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 2: It's like, all right when we pass this message on.

1109
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 2: The important thing is that it's in rhyming couplets.

1110
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 3: Yes, like we've got we've got Yeah, We've got to

1111
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 3: make sure we've got a good meter.

1112
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: Riquello's other memory is like real bored and coming up

1113
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: with a number of different rounds. She's got like a

1114
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: notepad with scratched out, so it was.

1115
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 3: Like, we're not doing it as a limerick for Christ's sake,

1116
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 3: Like how many times I have.

1117
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: To tell you I am a big pentameter sixteen sixty nine.

1118
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, but then that ancestor from sixteen sixty nine is no,

1119
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 4: we gotta have it.

1120
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: This is the I A bet that. All right, Let's

1121
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: wrap up this summary with the final scene, which, oh oh,

1122
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: this was juicy. In our final scene of episode two,

1123
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: Valia returns to the palace, only to be confronted by Desmond,

1124
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: who lets her know that she's been laid off. This

1125
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: is a tough way to leave your job.

1126
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 4: She's not extremely hardcore.

1127
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: Your replacement is the one who tells who hands you

1128
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,280
Speaker 1: the pink slip and is like, you're laid off today.

1129
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 2: Your email no longer worries.

1130
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, her slack account has been new to deactivated. A

1131
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: tough day for Volley in the office. Desmond is like, look,

1132
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: the Emperor doesn't trust you and the Sisterhood anymore. It's

1133
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 1: all me, all the time now, baby, and Vollo puls

1134
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: her trump card, the thing that she came up with

1135
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 1: that we know that she invented the voice. She tries

1136
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: to pull another Dorotea on Desmond and orders him to

1137
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 1: remove the knife from his jacket, hold it to his throat,

1138
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: drive it into his throat and seemingly he's able to

1139
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: resist it, or maybe he's just playing along and duping

1140
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: her on purpose, but we see him completely resist the voice. Valia,

1141
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: shaken to her core, doesn't know what to do in

1142
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: this moment, and Desmond does have a zinger for her

1143
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: because he's like, your worst fear is to speak and

1144
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: not be heard, which I thought was quite poignant.

1145
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1146
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 4: Well yeah, not that they wouldn't get, not that they

1147
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 4: wouldn't hear you, but that they would hear you and

1148
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 4: just and just not care.

1149
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: Yes, which takes even further, you know, for an institution

1150
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: whose entire purpose is to influence.

1151
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,439
Speaker 4: And there were high fives in the writer's room that day.

1152
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 2: I will tell you we got one on that one. Yeah, yeah, Yeah,

1153
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 2: it was good.

1154
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: This was a great scene to end on I think.

1155
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:17,720
Speaker 4: Super strong, super strong.

1156
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it made me very excited for the like, But

1157
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 3: like I had my critiques, Like I was confessed in

1158
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 3: the first half of this episode, I sort of had

1159
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 3: my doubts about episode one as well, where I was like, Okay,

1160
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 3: it's a lot of setup, Like we're getting a lot

1161
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 3: of set up and I don't know really what it's

1162
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 3: point to. They're kind of making a lot of bets.

1163
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 3: We'll see what they can pay off. And then this

1164
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 3: episode two is like, we're still getting a lot of

1165
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 3: set up. I don't really know what we're pointing at yet.

1166
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 3: And then the second half getting the scene of other

1167
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 3: memory is like enough to lock me into this series

1168
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 3: for the whole thing. And then this you know, oh,

1169
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 3: actually I've got the voice combo breaker and you're gonna

1170
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 3: have to like take You're gonna have to take that

1171
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 3: power pack to the shop and see if you can

1172
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 3: work on another version. That was real strong. So I

1173
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 3: was very excited about the second half of the episode went.

1174
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 4: But ABU, if you're flying in from Wallach nine to

1175
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 4: like set things right, maybe don't take off for four

1176
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 4: to six hours to go meet your secret agent on

1177
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 4: the nice boat while everything is happening and then show

1178
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 4: up in the middle of the night and you're already right,

1179
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 4: Maybe stick around.

1180
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: Totally, Delegate, delegate, delegate right, like exactly, the mother Superior

1181
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 1: be in the most important spot, which is right next

1182
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: to the emperor, you know, send somebody else to meet Mikayla.

1183
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 3: Yes, she does, bring dear Theodosia with her back to

1184
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 3: Solici Sekonda's that's right, one of the accolades for no

1185
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 3: particular reason in this episode, well, just a bond.

1186
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 2: But like I like this character. I like this Theodosia character,

1187
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 2: so I'm.

1188
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 1: Interested to see. I think there's more to come. I

1189
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: think that this was a setup for potential stuff in

1190
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 1: episode three. Perhaps, well let's take another quick breather, guys

1191
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: and toss to an ad break. But we'll be right

1192
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 1: back with our final thoughts, and maybe we'll tap into

1193
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 1: presciens and predict what we might see in the future episodes.

1194
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 5: We'll see you in a minute.

1195
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: All right, we're back, Jason h. This has been such

1196
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: an incredible conversation. I've loved geeking out with the two

1197
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: of you. To wrap up today, I'm very curious zooming

1198
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: out big picture thoughts were now two episodes into a

1199
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: six episode first season of Dune Prophecy. Where are you

1200
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: at with this show and where do you think we're headed?

1201
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 4: I think the show is firing now. I'm stoked to

1202
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 4: see how it's going to develop. It's going to be

1203
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 4: super interesting. Now we're going to jump back right and

1204
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 4: see young Valia and her story with her family and

1205
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,919
Speaker 4: how she got going and I actually think the young

1206
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 4: actresses that are playing in those early days with Raquela,

1207
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 4: I think that is a part I would have almost

1208
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 4: liked for them to have just started there and rolled

1209
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 4: through so that we were established with them from the beginning.

1210
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 4: So yeah, I can't wait to see what that turn is.

1211
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 4: I'm also super curious, like in Denise World, we've never

1212
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 4: met the Tilaxu, we've never met the Ixians, we haven't

1213
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 4: seen navigators. So I'm curious if there's any stuff that

1214
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 4: they're gonna be able to drop here or whether they

1215
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 4: just like WB like holding them in check. So I'm

1216
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 4: just curious to see how that develops and as they

1217
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 4: just get more more confident and roll through the season.

1218
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 3: It is interesting we've gotten through the first act I

1219
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 3: guess of the show, and you know, we've seen sort

1220
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 3: of the limits of like the main.

1221
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 2: Pieces on the board.

1222
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,439
Speaker 3: I don't know if, given like the relative limited run

1223
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,280
Speaker 3: of the show, if they have a lot of leeway

1224
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 3: to start bringing in a lot more different pieces in

1225
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 3: terms of yeah, you know, and like okay, and now

1226
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 3: the Ixians are here now, like the tile Laxu. You know,

1227
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 3: it's like it will require a lot more sort of

1228
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 3: exposition to start bringing that in, and I'm loathed for

1229
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 3: them to do that because i think they've got some

1230
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 3: cool pieces on right on the board right now. And

1231
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 3: I like the structure of this where it's kind of

1232
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:02,879
Speaker 3: unclear who the protagonist of this show is at this point. Yeah,

1233
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 3: you know, who are you actually four on this show?

1234
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? Like, who are you actually hoping to succeed? And

1235
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 2: it's like they.

1236
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 3: Killed off one of the people that was maybe a

1237
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 3: cannon for that in this episode, and so I'm interested

1238
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 3: to see who end up who ends up being the

1239
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 3: audience proxy most closely in the next couple episodes.

1240
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 2: I think you can make an argument for five or

1241
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 2: six different characters at this point.

1242
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 4: Well, spoiler, Lilah is still alive. Right in the Coming Attractions,

1243
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 4: they showed Lilah like in some sort of tank or something.

1244
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 2: Oh they tanked her.

1245
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: Yes, I believe she's in some sort of coma based

1246
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: on the preview thing that they showed.

1247
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, right, so maybe she'll find her way back.

1248
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for her then, But I do agree. I

1249
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: think one of my central criticisms so far, as much

1250
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: as I'm enjoying the show, I'm still feeling a little

1251
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: emotionally lost right right, Like who am I supposed to

1252
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: invest myself?

1253
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:53,919
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1254
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: Connect to who am I supposed to connect to most?

1255
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: And I would have hoped that by the time we

1256
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: were at the end of this first act again a

1257
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: very short season where a third of the way through

1258
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: it already with episodes one and two. I would have

1259
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,479
Speaker 1: hoped by now that I the viewer would have known

1260
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: who I've been rooted for.

1261
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I'm deminitely not rooting for these like rebel

1262
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 3: right weirdos, like they seem like clowns like they do. Yeah,

1263
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 3: I'm gonna need I'm gonna need someone else to be

1264
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 3: four than them.

1265
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: And Mark Strong is fun to watch, but like, am

1266
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: I rooting for these seems terrible?

1267
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't want them to do well.

1268
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 3: Valia like kind of Vala seems like actually might just

1269
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 3: be the antagonist of the show, like it might be

1270
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 3: the one that has to like might have to go

1271
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 3: away because she's just done a bit too much murder.

1272
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's hard to know who we're supposed.

1273
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 3: To be for in this And like Tula, like going

1274
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 3: back to the beginning of our conversation, like reads as

1275
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 3: like the nice cop, Benny juzzer it who has more

1276
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 3: interest in still Acab exactly.

1277
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 2: I'm not really I'm not really buying it. Like I

1278
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 2: think she might be I think she might be sus too.

1279
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 2: So yeah, hard to say who we're for, hard to

1280
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 2: say who we're emotionally invested in.

1281
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like he know I'm with ing z.

1282
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do too, she's my ride or I I agree.

1283
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really hope that in the third episode things

1284
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 1: start to coalesce. Like Jason, to your point, adding more

1285
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 1: things now I think would be a bad idea because

1286
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 1: of the shorts run time. I think actually more focus

1287
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: is what's needed now, Like I would like thanks to

1288
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: coals together and for a forward thrust.

1289
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 4: But somebody's behind Desmond, Yes, right, that's the thing. It's

1290
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 4: not just I don't think Shai Halud chose Desmond and

1291
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 4: turned him into something. I think that's I think that's

1292
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 4: our story that we have. But I think someone else

1293
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 4: is doing something for Desmond, and we don't know who

1294
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 4: that is yet, gotcha. So that's what I'm waiting to see.

1295
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: Right, and whether that's till till I lack you Exian,

1296
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: I suppose that's whatever Guild whoever that might be.

1297
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 4: We'll find out, We'll find out.

1298
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 2: I'm excited.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm definitely gonna I'm definitely gonna watch it if

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Speaker 3: you convince me. Yeah, Well, last thirty minutes of this

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Speaker 3: one convinced me that I was excited for the show,

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Speaker 3: which was yes, which was great.

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Speaker 4: It's for us, It is for the three of us

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Speaker 4: for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 4: I don't know about anybody else, but I mean that is.

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Speaker 2: I mean maybe we could if you have, like who's

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Speaker 2: watching this show? Like is this working for each meal?

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Speaker 3: Like cause it's it is a deeply nerdy show like

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Speaker 3: this one's even compared to like the Expanse or something.

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Speaker 2: The Expanse has.

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Speaker 3: A bit more of like a whizbang kind of space

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Speaker 3: adventure aspect to it.

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Speaker 1: It's got it's got sort of like a Western vibe

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Speaker 1: to it that I think might attract to Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Maybe Foundation is like the closest analog for this one,

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Speaker 3: where it is like this pretty cerebral, intricate, galaxy spanning

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Speaker 3: like generational, weird kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a great question. I will be very

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Speaker 1: interested to see at the end of a six episode run,

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Speaker 1: are they stoked where this show lands, yeah, and who

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Speaker 1: it's captured, right, Like, I don't necessarily have I'm obviously

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Speaker 1: known among my friends and family as the as the

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Speaker 1: Dune guy, So I don't really have like any aunts

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Speaker 1: or moms texting me questions about Testamond, you know, which

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Speaker 1: is usually a good barometer, right, like for shows that

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Speaker 1: are really popping into the mainstream. Yes, I will get

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Speaker 1: texts from like weird people I don't talk to, you know,

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Speaker 1: family members, is what I mean by that. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: family members, Like what's happening in House of Dragon right now?

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Speaker 1: Can you explain it?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Yes, And I haven't gotten it.

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Speaker 4: It's not there. It's not doing House of Dragons numbers

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Speaker 4: for sure, Yeah, for sure, for sure some penguin people

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Speaker 4: may be asking, but.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Well, Jason h. This has been so lovely.

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Speaker 1: I want to give you both space here at the

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Speaker 1: end of the episode to sort of tell the X

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Speaker 1: ray Vision listeners where they can find you and your

1342
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 1: work online and what you're up to and plug anything

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Speaker 1: you want to share.

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Speaker 4: Well, definitely check out the podcast. So we have done

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01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 4: two hundred and twenty three episodes over the last four years.

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Speaker 4: We get into all of your favorite movies. We've done

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01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 4: all the Dune books, the first six books that Frank wrote,

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Speaker 4: and we have guests every single week. I boo, we

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Speaker 4: got to get you on the pod. Absolutely, I would

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Speaker 4: love to. We just had Rosy on last month for Twilight.

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Speaker 4: We had Rosie on for Chronicles of Riddick. We had

1352
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Speaker 4: Jason and Rosie on for X Men two thousand and

1353
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 4: so it's just we have a great time and we

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Speaker 4: get deep into the movies you love, so come check

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Speaker 4: it out.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 3: I think we started off as a Dune podcast during

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01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 3: the pandemic, So if you go back to the earliest

1359
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 3: run of the show and you're into Dune, you can

1360
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 3: find literally hours and hours on Dune stuff. And then

1361
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 3: because the movie got pushed and we just kept and

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01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 3: we found like a community of people were interested in

1363
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 3: listening to the pod. We just kept doing things that

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01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,919
Speaker 3: we liked, and that for me was like, I want

1365
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 3: to cover war games. It's like, we what does that

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01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 3: have to do with Dune? Absolutely nothing that tries to

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01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 3: destroy the world. And so we just started doing movies

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Speaker 3: that we liked, mostly from our childhood, and it's been

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01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 3: really fun and we have like you know, discord with

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Speaker 3: people that we hang out with online. And it's I

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Speaker 3: think one of the reasons we call the podcast escape patches,

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Speaker 3: both because the movies represent, you know, an escape from

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Speaker 3: everyday life, but the community, the online community that we

1374
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 3: founded proved to be a nice escape patch from the

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01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 3: dominant paradigm of social media that was descending into madness

1376
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Speaker 3: over the last couple of years, and it's proven to

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Speaker 3: be a nice respite from the broader discourse.

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Speaker 2: As I say, you're.

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Speaker 1: Here, that's wonderful. And we'll have links to all that

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Speaker 1: stuff in the show notes below, folks, so definitely check

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Speaker 1: out Jason n H's work. On tomorrow's very thankful episode

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Speaker 1: of X ray Vision, Jason and Rosie will be sharing

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01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 1: their favorite Thanksgiving movies and asking the very important and

1384
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: confounding question what even is a Thanksgiving movie? And then

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01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 1: on Friday's episode, Joelle and Carmen are beginning their journey

1386
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 1: into the Robert Eggers cinematic universe with a deep dive

1387
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: into which and they will be working through the Robert

1388
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 1: Eggers movie catalog leading up to Nos Faratu on Christmas.

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Speaker 2: Incredible, very excited for that one.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's it. For the episode. Thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for listening everyone, Bye, Thank you, Jason nho.

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Speaker 6: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Gisubson and Rosie

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Speaker 6: Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts. Our executive

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01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 6: producers are Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our supervising producer

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Speaker 6: is a Boo Zafar. Our producers are Carmen Laurent and

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Speaker 6: Mia Taylor. Our theme song is by Brian Basquez. Special

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Speaker 6: thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Laude, Kenny Goodman and

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Speaker 6: Heidi

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Speaker 5: Our discolld Moderata