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Speaker 1: Be Around with the NFL podcast has not considered trading

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Speaker 1: for Baker Org from the Chris Westling podcast studio. It's

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Speaker 1: around the NFL. I'm Dan Hansis. I'm in a studio

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Speaker 1: filled with some heroes, Greg Rows, withal Mark Sessler sitting

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Speaker 1: to my right. Don't you dare call him Pat, Patrick Claybon.

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Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody? You can call me whatever you want.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'm glad to be here. I'll take it.

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Speaker 1: I got paper in my hand. This is crazy. Dan

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Speaker 1: likes using unpopular ways to say people's names. He likes

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Speaker 1: calling him Pat Claybon. He likes called me Greggy, which

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Speaker 1: only called west unpopular. It's almost like a there's like

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Speaker 1: a negative connotation to that. It's more just like more

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Speaker 1: off the grid, like a lesser alias. Even lesser is

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Speaker 1: kind of negative way look at it. It's just more

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Speaker 1: It was at the point though, because again these text

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Speaker 1: conversations that bubble up during the weekend, Uh, you were

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Speaker 1: so apologized for. No, no, no no, they're perfectly pleasant. It's

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Speaker 1: just that I don't always track them as carefully as

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Speaker 1: I would if you know, right before a burning work

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Speaker 1: meeting or something, and it's like, oh, let's have Pad

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Speaker 1: on the show. And I spent a big chunk of

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Speaker 1: yesterday thinking that we were having Rhodo Pat, who's been

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Speaker 1: on our show before, to join us for the QB debate,

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Speaker 1: so which he would have been great on them. He

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Speaker 1: would have done a fantastic But I think we've got

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Speaker 1: our guy right here. Shout out to Pat Darty. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: shout out to Pet who goes bo Pet which is

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Speaker 1: but it's not a called San Patrick. Yeah, it's a

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Speaker 1: it's a not lesser. But Dan would never talk about

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Speaker 1: Revenge of the Fifth. He would say episode three, I

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Speaker 1: have no idea. Yeah, I mean he wouldn't do either,

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Speaker 1: but yes, um, all right, save it for the spot podcast. Alright,

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Speaker 1: that'll just a needle right anyway. He he knows so

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Speaker 1: much more than he lets stuff like Dan definitely has

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Speaker 1: a Bill Bell check. Talking about my face vibe whenever

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Speaker 1: start as my face Honestly, Um, I've said it to you, Mark,

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Speaker 1: I have not seen the films. I maybe saw them

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Speaker 1: but also we don't even I haven't seen any of

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Speaker 1: don't defend more than about eight hours of the entire product.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing that I get annoyed by. It's um,

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Speaker 1: I have a I have institutional knowledge just because you

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Speaker 1: guys won't shut up about it for thirty five straight years.

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Speaker 1: And by you guys, I mean well you guys, yes,

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Speaker 1: but the rest of America in the world as well.

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Speaker 1: You're are pop cultural liaison with a massive blind spot

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Speaker 1: to one of the biggest events an American cinema history.

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Speaker 1: It's why Mark always wants Pat on the show to

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Speaker 1: self I've never said that. I am the pop culture

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Speaker 1: savant of this show. I have a very I'm passionate,

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Speaker 1: so you bring up Star Wars. Yeah, this is my

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Speaker 1: Sam Spence, the legend NFL films. The quarterback is the

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Speaker 1: You always struggled with that. I'm still not totally sure

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Speaker 1: Great to pay respect Andy Dalton. Hey, the last time

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Speaker 1: their top five all year long, Like it made sense

427
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Speaker 1: to me watching each one of his snaps, I would

428
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Speaker 1: rank them in the bottom three or four in terms

429
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Speaker 1: of how they protected him that the running game was

430
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Speaker 1: obviously up and down. Maybe he doesn't like elevate you

431
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: as much uh as you would like, But to me,

432
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 1: he is like absolutely a solution. He's a starting quarterback

433
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Speaker 1: and and I think he's closer to the Russell Wilson

434
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 1: sort of car area. Like those three guys, for instance,

435
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: to me are all in the same area. Tannehill carn

436
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 1: I have him two spots below Matt Ryan, but I'd

437
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: be willing to flip that if I were trying to

438
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: build a team at this point. And I think he

439
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: has blazing toughness. But the Titans have told us what

440
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 1: they think. They went out and drafted Malik Willis, but

441
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,880
Speaker 1: they drafted four guys before that, and if anyone had drafted,

442
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,959
Speaker 1: you know, like they expected, they would not end it up.

443
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: It's it's just it's it's no, it's a notable draft pick,

444
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: all right. How about Matt Ryan mark because he's a

445
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: guy that for years and years and years on this

446
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: podcast comfortably in that top ten, ten to twelve spot,

447
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 1: but as he's gotten older and um, his arm strength

448
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 1: is diminished and maybe doesn't move as well, not that

449
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 1: he ever moved really well. Um, he's become more of

450
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 1: a target for the defense. Where do you think about

451
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 1: age thirty seven, Matt Ryan in a new setting with

452
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,120
Speaker 1: a better offensive line. I think the setting is good

453
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 1: the same way the setting was good for Carson Wentz

454
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Speaker 1: a year ago. And I have more much more faith

455
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Speaker 1: that Matt Ryan can go in there and succe right away.

456
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: And everything they've said about him in O T S.

457
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,239
Speaker 1: I realized that TS have been like, he's fitting in

458
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: really well. Everything looks good. He doesn't look thirty eight necessarily,

459
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: but at thirteen, I think he's a candidate too to

460
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Speaker 1: completely drop down this list if things don't go well,

461
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: I don't see him sticking at thirteen, higher than the consensus.

462
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 1: Dan has fifteen, Greg has sixteen, Mark has thirteen, and

463
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Speaker 1: Claibon has Like in a mind military I want to say,

464
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: right now, I feel like this is the guy. I

465
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 1: feel like Ryan is the dude. But I'm still open

466
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 1: to the conversation and hearing different opinions. But when I

467
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Speaker 1: think about what this is, and I think, Greg, I

468
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 1: know what it is. UM. I also think a factor

469
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: in you know, down for two minutes to play. You

470
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Speaker 1: need it. You need your quarterback to be able to

471
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Speaker 1: make that drive. If the guy if in your mind

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Speaker 1: like Kirk Cousins, I think that's why he's on the

473
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Speaker 1: wrong side, because I don't count on him. Matt Ryan,

474
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Speaker 1: I think more times than not he could get it done,

475
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Speaker 1: especially with the better supporting cast. So I think he's

476
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Speaker 1: right there, maybe a touch above, but he could be

477
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Speaker 1: to me the prim rate where you have him on

478
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Speaker 1: your list at fifteen below Ryan Tannehill, above Jalen Hurts,

479
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: Jimmy G. Carson, Wentzon down and on. That makes sense

480
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: what you're saying right here. I think he's snuggly, you know,

481
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Speaker 1: just above it. But he does hit some of the

482
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Speaker 1: the bells here that West would talk about. With the

483
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 1: down scale. He rises and follows a little bit with

484
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Speaker 1: his surroundings, but in in that way that he's going

485
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 1: to a place where which I think will have good

486
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 1: surroundings for him, especially the coach, and getting rid of

487
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 1: the ball quickly. I like him in that two minute situation.

488
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 1: I like how accurate is I really think he could

489
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: be like a poor man's Peyton Manning later in his career,

490
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: not not the last year of Peyton Manning. But the

491
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 1: years before that in Denver, he obviously doesn't have that

492
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: kind of talent around him. And I think you saw

493
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: it last year, and it's actually last year that convinced

494
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: me he's definitely on the right side, because because I

495
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 1: think he did about there were some games where he

496
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: just you knew that because they were playing a team

497
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: with a good pass rush, it just wasn't gonna happen.

498
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: He wasn't gonna happen. But if he had any help whatsoever,

499
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: he would be above that line. And to me that

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00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: that means you're you're just above the Dowtons. If it

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Speaker 1: was purely a quarterback rankings list, I would have probably

502
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: had Matt Ryan higher. But because it's the Doton Deale, right,

503
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: it's the state of the quarterback position on your team,

504
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna have Matt Ryan ahead of Derek Carr, right,

505
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: or Matthew Stafford or bumping him up the Cousins thing.

506
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: I just had to go into the minutia and like

507
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 1: go tip for tat on our three categories to try

508
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: to find out those two verses each other. Yeah, they

509
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: were right next to each other, and I just gave

510
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan the edge. Uh. I think it wound up

511
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 1: being playmaking because it's just so hard to see Kirk

512
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: Cousins make I'll play when the play is not going right.

513
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 1: And I've seen Matt Ryan do it more that that

514
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: was really what it came down to. And you haven't

515
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 1: both over Tanna House just and people just don't. I mean,

516
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: he went, he went and did the work you use

517
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: and it could be dumb. It would be dumb. I'm

518
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: just saying for what it's worth. Like in terms of

519
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: numbers the previous two years, and there was no bigger

520
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: fan in this room during that stretch of him than West.

521
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 1: It was the top five is quarterback. Now, I think

522
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Speaker 1: you can use your logic and know he wasn't really

523
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: a top five quarterback, but just pure numbers, that's what

524
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: he was. Cousins did it. Cousins is this past year

525
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 1: because the same last summer and last spring, we were

526
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: having these same conversations and then you'd be like, well,

527
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: look what he just did, and then you look at

528
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: the numbers. And again with Kirk Cousins, year after year,

529
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: the production is there. He completed two thirds of his

530
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: passes over yards, three thirty three touchdown seven picks passer

531
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: rating north of a hundred and three UM and yet

532
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: we know the story by now about him that he's

533
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: not as good as those numbers look. But at the

534
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: same time, like if numbers were that easy to attain,

535
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: and especially he was in a kind the stale offense.

536
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: He has some big playmakers, but like everyone would do it.

537
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: So to me, it's hard to get an accurate way

538
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: to read Cousins because he does produce. He might be

539
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: the guy, then he's I think he fit down four

540
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: two minutes to play need the drive. I don't know though,

541
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's that guy. He did it,

542
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: and he was he was great. He was the first

543
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: half of the season through ten weeks were like, wow,

544
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Speaker 1: this is a bad season for quarterbacks. Cousins is kind

545
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: of having his best season. Is there an argument that

546
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins this year is one of the top five

547
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: or six quarterbacks. But I think it's so telling that

548
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: about five or six weeks left in the season, they

549
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: kind of did a Kirk let Kirk Cook type of

550
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: plan of like we just gotta let him throw deeper,

551
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: be more aggressive Zimmer was doing and it all kind

552
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: of fell apart Davin Cook injured as well, which speaks

553
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: to the Kirk the West is there again, He'll rise

554
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: and fall And when the cast went down, so too

555
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: did their production. West. Did you know ding Dalton for

556
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: going into the postseason over and over and completely flopping.

557
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: I think that matters. I just don't trust. There's a

558
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: there was a lack of trust with Andy Dalton to

559
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: rise up in big moments if the environment wasn't right,

560
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: and I lacked that trust, and Kirk Cousins too. It's

561
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: not I don't even know if it's rising up. Like

562
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: to a certain extent, you are how that's how good

563
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: you are, right, and you need to make a play right,

564
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: you needed you need to see Joe Burrow be able

565
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: to spin away from Aaron Donald. But Aaron Donald is

566
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: one of the greatest players of all time, and so

567
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: he made the play. And if you like, if you can't,

568
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: if you don't have the ability to make a play

569
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: when the play is not there to be made, then

570
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: that's you're just Kirk Cousins. Although in fairness, like he

571
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: if he was listening to this, he'd probably be like, um,

572
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: like if at least in terms of last year, like

573
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: what more do I have to do had that played

574
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: at kJ Osborne to win the game, to play against

575
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: the Cardinals early in the season, which they came back

576
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: the final couple of drives against the Lions early in

577
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: the season. Like he did make a lot of big time.

578
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: It has highlights, but like I get it, but he's

579
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: he's sitting fifteen and he's appropriate. He's he's totally an

580
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: inappropriate That's where I have him too. And he's very

581
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: the thrower of the football, which I do think gets

582
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: a little underrated. So that's how Yeah, that's a big

583
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: reason why he has these numbers. He's good at at

584
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: what he does, but they're also limitations involved might be

585
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: the guy he might, I do, but my feeling is

586
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: that he is at this stage of his career still

587
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: just north in that place, which is what explained his

588
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: contracts he signed Andy Dalton. It's like we're trying to

589
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,959
Speaker 1: teams have been tasked to figure out how do we

590
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: pay this guy because we think he's the guy, but

591
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: maybe he's not. And it's worked out for him financially. Certainly.

592
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: The Vikings with this new staff really went through this

593
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: exercise when they took over. They had to decide whether

594
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: he was north or south of the Dalton scale, because

595
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: they could either tack an extra year onto his contract

596
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: and kind of kick the can, or if they really

597
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: thought he was south of the Dalton scale, they would

598
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: have done They just wouldn't have done that. They would

599
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: have eaten whatever his salary was this year and made

600
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: it work, and they decided to give him the money.

601
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: I do think there's hope that Kevin o'cone I'll bring

602
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: him more rams S type offense will help him grow

603
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: versus the relationship with Mike Zimmer, which just was such

604
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: a headache and such a nightmare. He had no belief

605
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: from his coaching staff. He grows, at least like statistically speaking,

606
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: he's going to be an MVP candidate, Like he's that

607
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: close statistically if he makes a jump from what he's

608
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: done the last couple of years and is throwing forty

609
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: touchdowns and eight interceptions like couldn't he jumped Derek Carr,

610
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: couldn't he jumped Matt Ryan. I think he's on the

611
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: right side. He certainly has it points. But for the

612
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: purpose of the the scale right, just because guys are

613
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: lower on the scale doesn't mean the Vikings can't win

614
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl, you can still build a team, but

615
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: ranking the players I'm I'm not I'm not taking any

616
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: of those guys that I have ahead of Kirk Cousins

617
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: except maybe Matt. Right, It's true. If I'm starting a

618
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: team and and Cousins is there, man, that's that's a

619
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: tough one. I mean you kind of I wouldn't want

620
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: to be in that spot. And I do want him

621
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: to eventually end up with Kyle Shanahan like everyone's been

622
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: talking about forever. But it's like after they're both passed

623
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: their primes, it'll just be like, like have totally fallen apart.

624
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: In Kirk, it would be like Carolina, Like the old

625
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: Muppet guys that are up in the booth during the show, Um,

626
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: what are their names? Anybody I know exactly who you're

627
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: talking about? What was that? Kirk? Alright? So Tannehill, Ryan

628
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: Cousins are all kind of names. That makes sense. Just

629
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: a round zero in this conversation. Now here's a newer

630
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: name Statler and waldor yeah, there it is. All right,

631
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: Let's take a break and then get to a new

632
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: name in this conversation. All right, let's talk Jalen Hurts

633
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: entering year three Eagles. We know, Greggy, you're you're pumped

634
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: up about his ability, um and what he can bring

635
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: to this team even if he doesn't take a big

636
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: leap in his third season. I have him at sixteen.

637
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: Greg has him at you what but you have the rookie.

638
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 1: You know what Graver pointed out, if you if you

639
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Speaker 1: remove the second year quarterback from the equation, we all

640
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: had Jalen Hurt sixteenth. Exactly What does that mean? Patrick?

641
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 1: It means we're we watched the games together. Sometimes we're

642
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: on the same page. It's hard to have him higher,

643
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: right Um, when we when we look at all of

644
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: the guys that we have, it's hard for him to

645
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 1: be significantly higher, and then it's very difficult for him

646
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: to be significantly worse. He's the median. And yet I

647
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: don't know if he's like the Dalton scale guy because

648
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: I think based on the numbers and where we all

649
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: have him and and the way I looked at it,

650
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: like he would be the median right now? Now? Is

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00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: that the prime meridian? Like he is the middle of

652
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: the NFL. The thing with Hurts is like you expect

653
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: him either to go up, maybe he takes a step back.

654
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: If if the running game, you know, isn't as dominant,

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00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: Uh my thing looking at him and just trying to

656
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: evaluate him, and we took the second year quarterbacks out

657
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: of the mix. Was I guess I looked at it

658
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: like if Trevor Lawrence or Zack Wilson or Justin Fields

659
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: or Trey Lance, I'm putting back to the side. But

660
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: if if any of those guys have Jalen Hurts is

661
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: season season this year, how will people view it? And now,

662
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: granted that the running is gonna be a little different,

663
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 1: but like I think most people would view that as

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Speaker 1: a big leap um and as a great sign that

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00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks are improving and that they're they're may be

666
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: going to get to where you believe they would be

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00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: when they were drafted. And so I I tend to

668
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: give Jalen Hurts the benefit of doubt that if he's

669
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: improved this much in two years, why can't he keep improving?

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00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think he has a high floor.

671
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: He does bring to claibonn points special skill sets that

672
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: other quarterbacks do not in many cases, and yet it's

673
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: a TBD for me. I just think that the I

674
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 1: think the Eagles need to see it more information before

675
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: they decide what to do next offseason, and I'd like

676
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: to see more information. Sixteen feels right. He's only started

677
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 1: nineteen games. He's kind of in a typical offense too.

678
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: We you know, this is his third year, but he

679
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: you know, only started four games as a rookie, so

680
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: it's still you can almost take him out, but he

681
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: you can almost use the middle. But I think we

682
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: have a kind of right where we're all feeling pretty

683
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,919
Speaker 1: good about his chances of getting on the right side

684
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: of it. But it feels premature to to give him

685
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: give him that nod right now. Like if we had

686
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: arrows right, we would all have an arrow for potential

687
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 1: at six team with Jalen hurts to to go up

688
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: the list, whereas two as arrow consensus seventeen the sideways

689
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: double arrows question. The situation is so much better that

690
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: that you think the production is going to be better,

691
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: And he seems to be right around that line. Like

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00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: I've I've thought like the median for his career will

693
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 1: be a teddy type of career and to a two

694
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: and on doesn't want to hear that, but like it

695
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: could be worse than that too. He certainly hasn't come

696
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: out of the gates as good as well as as

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00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: Teddy did. Or you know some quarterbacks like a Jamis

698
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: who end up being kind of that middle tier quarterback

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00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: that doesn't end up sticking. Uh. Too also had about

700
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: a six or seven game stretch last season where like

701
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 1: his strengths really stood out. He gets rid of the

702
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 1: ball quickly, he makes decisions quickly, he's on point, he's accurate,

703
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: he has his limitations. But like you kind of know

704
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 1: who toa is, I have to at twenty and he

705
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: begins um a period of quicksand where every quarterback beyond

706
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: him I have almost no faith and I would never

707
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: sign up as my starter. And Too, I think someone

708
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: a candidate to be benched early on in this season.

709
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: So it's like he's in total tryout mode at this point.

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00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: I just wanted to say, three of you have Jimmy

711
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: Garoppolo ahead of ahead of two. Uh. But Claibon has

712
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: Garoppolo so low on his list that it's weighing him,

713
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: pulling him down down a hot guy on hot guy crime.

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00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 1: It's not get well soon, Jimmy. I appreciate what Jimmy

715
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: brings to the table, it's your Claibon had hurt sixteen

716
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: to a seventeen, and that's where the consensus list ended

717
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: up too. To it down at if it's tough, because

718
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: I need to hear more from Patrick. If the rest

719
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: of the league was busting down Shanahan's door trying to

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00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: get Jimmy Garoppolo, maybe I would feel like I washtor

721
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: that in as well. But he, I mean, he was

722
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: pretty brutal down the stretch last year well, and he

723
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: was hurt. He was so I mean, he wasn't great

724
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: early either. I know that numbers were pretty good, but

725
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: last year was the worst year of Jimmy Garoppolo's career,

726
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: no doubt. Even before he got hurt, I thought as

727
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: like a full time starter, which was surprising to you

728
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: could almost take these I feel like he's too young too,

729
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: and it's a bit of a cop out, but I

730
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: think it's it's just true. But to me, if you're

731
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: asking the question like is your quarterback situation solved with

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00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: Toua or not, he's below the Dalton scale, I don't

733
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: feel good enough. Like I think they're in a good situation,

734
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: that they have Teddy as a backup, and that you

735
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: have another year to find out, but I'm not feeling

736
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: like that's solved. And and I think, just like we

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00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: talked about with the top ten or eleven names that

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00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: we all felt were comfortably above, I don't think we

739
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: need to have much debate about the rest of these

740
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: names unless somebody wants to chime in. These guys are

741
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: all at this point in their career is comfortably below

742
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: the line. Um, let's see that would be in a

743
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: consensus list. Winston, Garoppolo, Baker, Teddy, Daniel Jones, Carson Wentz,

744
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: Jared Goff, Marcus Mariotto, Gino, Jake Briskett, Mitch Robiskie, Drew

745
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 1: Lock and Sam Donald. Anybody want to make a case

746
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: for one of those guys being in the conversation as

747
00:39:55,360 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: the primer Indian No a credible case, I would Jameis Wilson,

748
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: Ye want to do it? Well? I think Jamis Winston

749
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: has been incredibly productive. Uh and it's coming off the

750
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: season where he made the fewest amount of mistakes and

751
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 1: had the best numbers of his career. I don't think

752
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: he was as good as the fact that at one

753
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: point in the season he was leading the league in

754
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: e p A per play and he was already done

755
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: for the season, like he wasn't that, But man, he

756
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: shows you a lot of the things that you want

757
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: in an NFL quarterback. He plays really well from the pocket.

758
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: He just shows anticipation. Could he mature and get ahead

759
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: of that line a little bit like Derek carr uh

760
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: did improving in his late twenties. I believe it. I

761
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: believe it. I don't think he should be the line

762
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: right now. I have them below, I have him at twenty.

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00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: He's actually my first name under what my uh Dalton

764
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: scale would be. I I'd have Hurt says the last

765
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 1: one above it, and then Jamis is the first one

766
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: below it. But to meet him and Baker are very

767
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: close to that line and that they're gonna go up

768
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 1: and down with the people around them. And that wouldn't

769
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,280
Speaker 1: surprise me if they put together a couple of years

770
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: straight of of good play where we think this is

771
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: way too low for the two of those guys. If

772
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: you go back to that episode again where Baker was

773
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: coming off his rookie year, this was sort of a

774
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: stunning conversation we had. I had Baker Mayfield is the

775
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: ninth best quarterback in the in the league. Greg had

776
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: him is the eighth, Dan thirteenth, Dan was the closest.

777
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: West had him is the fifth. That shows you how

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00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: quickly things change. And now Baker is well, I think

779
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,919
Speaker 1: he is below off. The league's telling you that rookie season, right,

780
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: so that that yeah, but he's he's a quarterback like

781
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys at the bottom half year aboard.

782
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: If he was on the Jets, I'd have him wherever

783
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: you had him to factor right now, you made a

784
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: strong case, so you had him clumped up with like

785
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: Jared Goff and others. But it's a reason not to

786
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 1: rank these guys for this exercise, specifically in the first

787
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: two years, because it's there's so much environment going on

788
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: with how they perform, and when the environment changes, these

789
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: this bottom third can crumble very quickly. Injuries were a

790
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: huge factor in the way that I did mine out.

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00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: That's that's probably why Jimmy g is solo, why big

792
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: Or gets punished, and while jamis is you know, it's

793
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: it's hard to see them anywhere other than on the

794
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: other side of the line, just because like they have to,

795
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: they have such a huge hill to climb just to

796
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: eat this year, this year. But I think and it's

797
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: it was interesting that they gave Jamis such a big

798
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 1: contract the Saints, like when they didn't need to, when

799
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: they obviously wanted a different quarterback. They wanted to Shaun Watson.

800
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: But man, I know we did this to Jamis all

801
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: the time. But the man is only twenty eight years

802
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: old the production, and I think he is a perfect

803
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: guy to have this conversation with. If you put him

804
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: on those Titans teams, you're telling me he wouldn't have

805
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: been productive. Like to me, he is gonna rise and fall,

806
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: and he's probably right around that line. I think he's close.

807
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: Something about it doesn't ring truth to me because down four,

808
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: with the game of the line, he's stone to pick six.

809
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: There's that also, and Matthew Stafford through a whole bunch.

810
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 1: But when you have the ability, eventually you're gonna put

811
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: in a position where if you make plays and you're

812
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: a guy who takes risks, you make a no look

813
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: class and you win the super Bowl. Like sometimes it's

814
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 1: just right. Those guys are getting punished than they should, Baker,

815
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: Jamis and Jimmy because we've seen so much of them

816
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: that kind of now we know that at best year

817
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: like a one a where you need to be replaced.

818
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: I think Daniel Jones is a tough one again to

819
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 1: put in there, just because of the situation. Yes, he's

820
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: he's below the line, um, but but I think he'll

821
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: have a chance this year. Man. He I thought he

822
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: really showed strides early last year before everything crumbled. And

823
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: I haven't told together for seventeen games, you know, at

824
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: this point, um, before we kind of get to our

825
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: choices for um the prime Ridian and then maybe we

826
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: could get a consensus choice, we should hit mac Jones

827
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: because he was the only guy that kind of stood

828
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: out stood apart from the rookies last year. Like I

829
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 1: initially when I was putting them in, I had him,

830
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: I think either right above or right behind Jalen Hurts,

831
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: so around sixteen or so. Um. And I think the

832
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: reason why he's so different is A he had a

833
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: much better season than the other rookies, but B he

834
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,439
Speaker 1: was also in a much better, much better surrounding. So

835
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: you could definitely make the case that mac Jones is

836
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: in this conversation already. UM. So that's another name to

837
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: throw in there. It's just a little tough for a

838
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: guy that only has sixteen seventeen starts, I have seventeen,

839
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: and I think he's above the line from what we've seen.

840
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: But again, things can change so much in season two.

841
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: You know, he did trail off last year as well,

842
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: So I just it's not a shot against because he

843
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 1: was a rookie. It was a good rookie year. You

844
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: just I just need to see more. That's really when

845
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: I came down on it. You got him at fourteen, Greg.

846
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: I mean I and if if the exercise were just

847
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: who do I want for the next five years, I'd

848
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: haven't even higher than that. Now. I could be wrong,

849
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: like I was wrong about Baker after one year, but

850
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: I think his skill set will travel. And there's this

851
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: idea that like he was in a better situation than

852
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: all the other rookies, and I think that's true, But

853
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: I also don't think it was an exceptional situation. It

854
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: was not their best year for their offensive line. It

855
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: is not an amazing group of talented players around him.

856
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: And I think he's got skill sets that tend to

857
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: be pretty consistent and that he should be a top

858
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: ten type of quarterback. From coaching, the the organization, UH

859
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: he had his health. I'm just saying number one wide

860
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: receiver was Kendrick Bourne. So but in the offensive line

861
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: was just not as good as it was the previous

862
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: couple of years. It wasn't bad either, but a ton

863
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: of They spent a ton of money to improve the offense. Absolutely,

864
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 1: very similar to the Jaguars, where I think they spent

865
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: a lot and they went from like the thirty second

866
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 1: uh group around cam Newton to like the eighteenth or nineteen.

867
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: But it wasn't like that. It wasn't like an amazing

868
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: group of players. That's more about but he there's a

869
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: group of these players that are mysterious to us still

870
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: that simply do not fit for the Dalton right. He

871
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 1: doesn't really fit. And this doesn't because I would much

872
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: rather have him than Kirk Cousins or Tannehill or Derek

873
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: Carr for that matter. So that's why I did to

874
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: see more before I say that. But that's I mean,

875
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: if if you like more in general, if someone was

876
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: making you choose right now, though you would you would

877
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: still you would go with those guys for the next

878
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: three or four years. Let's say Danny, Yeah, I would

879
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: name him again, Kirk, you know Ryan, Ryan Tannehill. Yeah,

880
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: Derek Carr, Ryan Tannehill, Kirk Cars if only because they

881
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: have a more established resume um And I don't know,

882
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: I would just I just want to see more from

883
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: Mac Jones, That's all. But it was. It was a

884
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: very prompting rookie year. I could look like a moron

885
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 1: this time next year when we have this. The O

886
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 1: t a conversation that he's hitting a lot of deep throws.

887
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: He's worked on those deaths, he's more muscle bound. Now,

888
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: I buy into it on Mac alright, so not a

889
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: Pats fan that, but I'm all in on Mac did

890
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 1: say said, I'm not as much of a pat It's

891
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: it's a weird feeling because I feel like I'm so

892
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: much higher than consensus on their quarterback. And I really

893
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: don't think it, you know, but that's not subconscious. You

894
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: still are a Patriots fan. It's I like a little

895
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 1: bit more. I like different types. But he really reminds

896
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: me of Philip Rivers, and I just think that I

897
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,439
Speaker 1: think that skill sets gonna travel, all right, but let's

898
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: not let's not pretending on a Patriots fan. No I am.

899
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: I am a Patriots. I thought that's what you just said,

900
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: though not as much as as a team. But that's

901
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: a tough look to that you It started to diminish

902
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: as soon as Tom Brady left. I told you guys

903
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: that it's not a goodlore that I remember. West got furious.

904
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: I was like, absolutely, I'm going to be a less

905
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: of a fan when he leaves. It's like you already

906
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: experienced the highest of highs. What's the point? Why why

907
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: do we look? Why do we dictate to other people

908
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: how they like things? Things come and go, and well,

909
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: you think it's a good Do you think it's a

910
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: good look? Though? I think the whole concept of a

911
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: bad look is dumb. Well, alright, drops a nuclear bomb

912
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: on the whole conversafe passions, you know, they come and

913
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: go over time. But I'm sort of like, it's like,

914
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: after I had already gotten drunk as much as I could,

915
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: staying out ntil four or five in the morning, like

916
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: three to five times a week in New Orleans, I

917
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: truly had a thought that like, it's never gonna top that.

918
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: I know, I'm I'm gonna say it's never gonna top that.

919
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: So I'm kind of done, just like being the going

920
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:21,479
Speaker 1: out drinking. We have to deal with the post party. Boy, Greg,

921
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: I mean I was still annoying back then. It was

922
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: like the personality was within me. I just was at

923
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: So you're you're hanging out with this post podcast if

924
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: you hadn't had your part. It was my kids last

925
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 1: day of school. They were at the beach. They needed

926
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: to be picked up. What about us? Yeah? Mark, the

927
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:41,280
Speaker 1: kids matter more? Did you did you find it slightly

928
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,439
Speaker 1: off putting that Greg finished the pot and took off

929
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: slightly off putting? First of all, I stayed for an

930
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 1: hour making other parents watch my kids at the beach

931
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: while the entire school. I mean, what gets more so

932
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: called than that they're celebrating the last day of school

933
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: than they all go to the beach and I'm not

934
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: even there. Greg, we get it, you're plug in with

935
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: your children. But it was such a great bonding experience.

936
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: The rest of us who stayed, I don't know. And

937
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 1: you were already getting ready to go and I left.

938
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: So we had a marvelous time. Don't hit out. We

939
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: went to a second location. Nice time. Were they all there? Yeah?

940
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: I think the whole crew was one group supporting And

941
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: what did? I pulled you aside and I said, don't

942
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: stress at all about getting the show up. We're here

943
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,879
Speaker 1: to have a good time and celebrate everything. Erica made

944
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: us all stay until Jet showed up, so we did.

945
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: That's true. Then we left. I was trying to get

946
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: out of there before then. Eric was like, I'll kill

947
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: you if you leave before Jet gets That's when it

948
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:41,919
Speaker 1: was got a little tricky at that. Yeah, a little

949
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 1: tricky because it was getting later. You guys should try

950
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 1: parenting if you ever want to leave a situation. That's true.

951
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: All right, here we go one more break and then

952
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna figure this out. Probably not all right, so

953
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: I'll stick with where I came down earlier on the show.

954
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: I think Matt Ryan's the pick for me. I like

955
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: my Matt Ryan a lot. I like his chances in Indie.

956
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: But I also think he's right there now where he

957
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:09,879
Speaker 1: and I think that's a there's a reason why. That's

958
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: where the Colts ended up digging out of their issue

959
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: here um with Carson Wentz and they remember we we

960
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,439
Speaker 1: talked about it um earlier in the off season about

961
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: now what are the Colts do? And they had to

962
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: figure out something. And I think this is like the

963
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: best case scenario that they get Matt Ryan. But still

964
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: it's this version of Matt Ryan's very different than the

965
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 1: guy that went to the Super Bowl, UM five years ago.

966
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: So I think he's the guy, Greg, who is your nomination? Well,

967
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: I'm so confused now after doing this exercise, because Hurts

968
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: felt like the guy. But maybe he just doesn't make

969
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: sense because he's too young, like he's an evolving player.

970
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:49,439
Speaker 1: If we all had him sixteen, he felt like the guy. Um.

971
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: But I actually, I truly believe that Jamis makes more

972
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: sense as the median that if you're Jamis or below,

973
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: you need enfranchise quarterback. Uh. And if you have someone

974
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: better than Jamis in my mind, that would include Hurts,

975
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 1: that would include Ryan Cousins, Mac Derek Carr like then

976
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: you're then you're good. So I actually think Jamis the median.

977
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: Is is the middle player himself. Yes, is not the

978
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: guy that should be replaced. He's the guy that is

979
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 1: in purgatory? Is he in the I think you you

980
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: ranked Matt Ryan, Okay, so that's pretty similar to me.

981
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: But to me, he you don't need another starter if

982
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 1: you have Matt Ryan in my mind, so so it

983
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: has to be someone below it. I don't know it

984
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 1: hurts Jimmy G. I'm gonna go Jamis Hurts is kind

985
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: of a weird one of those ext It doesn't work

986
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: so for me because I have to go off my list.

987
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan is a little too high for hint for

988
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: me to agree there I have I'm going Kirk Cousins

989
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: at fifteen. I think he's in that middle spot where

990
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: he is a starter. Uh, he has issues. We feel

991
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 1: frustrated by him, which were the feelings that I had

992
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: about Andy Dalton. But then from there it goes to

993
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: the nether world of Mac Jones and Jalen Hurts. We

994
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: need to see more. And from there it drops off

995
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 1: to Jimmy G and the Niners have essentially made massive

996
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: efforts to replace him. And then after that it's backups

997
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: and and and fill in the blank, nondescript. Doesn't it

998
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: feel like it's Kirk cousins destiny to become the Daltons

999
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: also fits as a sort of just the person who

1000
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: would hate this because he always was like as we

1001
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 1: bagged on Kirk Cousins, especially in the early window before

1002
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: he got regrudgingly got everyone's respect. I felt like West

1003
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: was mostly on an island, being like this guy is

1004
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: a good quarter. That's why we were kissing Cousins. Greg

1005
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: on that side of the table. He and I both

1006
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: had our Kirk Cousins moment. There was a little bit

1007
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,280
Speaker 1: of a Shanahan fascination there. But you're not. You can't

1008
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: stay as good forever. I think he's declining into this doltins.

1009
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: It will happen eventually. Yes, yeah, you say he's there.

1010
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: I think he's a year away, alight. And that's why

1011
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: I really had to go into it to try to

1012
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: figure out to slice this bread between Ryan Tannehill and

1013
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,919
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins, and just the recent statistical success of kirk

1014
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: Cousins and like the plays that he has made, like

1015
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: you mentioned, Greg, I had to put kirk Cousins on

1016
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 1: the other side. I think Ryan Tannehill is the four

1017
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: different options. So and maybe just for fun, maybe we'll

1018
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 1: have a vote. Put it on the on the subreddit

1019
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: or on Instagram or both um, because I'm nominating Matt Ryan, Greg,

1020
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 1: jameis Winston, Mark kirk Cousins, and Claibon Ryan Tannehill. So

1021
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: we don't have any way to break the tie within

1022
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: this room, which is great. When we did this, I

1023
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 1: really looked at it and thought like, I don't know.

1024
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: This year, I don't know if there is perfect I

1025
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: will say that. I'll say this like Winston to me,

1026
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just not on board with him being that

1027
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: high in this conversation, Uh cousins to me, I think

1028
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: what we just said maybe a year or two away

1029
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: from dipping down and being that guy Claiban with Tannehill,

1030
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 1: that would be the one other than Matt Ryan that

1031
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 1: I would feel good about and be like, okay if that,

1032
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: if we're going for a consensus, Tannehill makes sense, even

1033
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: though on my list he's just above the line. But

1034
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 1: I understand both sides of how annoyed would you be

1035
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: a grave digger if that's how like the voting came

1036
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,399
Speaker 1: down with a listenership, not that annoyed. I don't think

1037
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: it makes sense. He's flirted with it before too. He

1038
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: came very close to me with Miami, right yeah, I

1039
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: mean he's been a much better player, and yet like that,

1040
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense this year. But I really think

1041
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: of the of the guys on our consensus list around

1042
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 1: the middle, we had Jalen Hurt sixteen and to A

1043
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: seventeen to a feels like a future Dalton scale type

1044
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: of guy that, like, you can never quite decide, And

1045
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: I think it's too early in his career to totally

1046
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: put that on him. But when you think of players

1047
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: that he's like, I think of Alex Smith, who was

1048
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: very much a Tanna Dalton scale guy. I think of Teddy,

1049
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: who's a little below. But I appreciate it that you

1050
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: guys actually had Teddy a little higher on your list

1051
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: than me. And isn't that I did that just for you? Yeah?

1052
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: Thank you? Um and and so it's like, I think

1053
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: that could be to his future. But I think we're

1054
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: all uncomfortable. We're all uncomfortable about second year players on

1055
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 1: this list. It just doesn't quite fit. Yeah, I think

1056
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: all right. I would say Tannehill makes sense because the

1057
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 1: Titans are like trying to figure out if they need

1058
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: to replace him, right exactly exactly. I mean that's a

1059
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,760
Speaker 1: huge indicator with some of these some of these guys,

1060
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Speaker 1: Jimmy g the same boat. If I'm going down my

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Speaker 1: list right and I'm looking at the scenario, I would

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Speaker 1: rather figure it out with two. Uh, I'd rather figure

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00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: it out with Jalen Hurts because you can you can

1064
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Speaker 1: get a big win there, right in terms of the

1065
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Speaker 1: guys having the potential, I don't see anybody underneath that

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Speaker 1: that it's that fits better than Ryan Tannehill to me

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Speaker 1: like that, it just keeps being the line no matter

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Speaker 1: how many times. I don't know how we got back

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Speaker 1: into two thousand twelve, two thirty and I'm somehow like

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Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill is big fan here, but I am just saying,

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Speaker 1: like no one else in this range. And I guess

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Speaker 1: Kirk maybe would be uh would have been top five

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Speaker 1: PFF you know grades two straight years and then last year,

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Speaker 1: I know he was in the top ten e p

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Speaker 1: A per place, like among the best quarterbacks in the

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Speaker 1: league over the last three years. It's the last three

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Speaker 1: years in aggregate his numbers and his grades, and he's

1078
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Speaker 1: only thirty three years old. He deserves a little more respect.

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Speaker 1: But I do understand it. The eye test is all right, well,

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Speaker 1: does this because it will be fun to see what

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Speaker 1: the listeners think. But does this episode fail in its

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Speaker 1: conceit if we don't have a consensus at the end

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Speaker 1: of the show, or is it okay for it to

1084
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Speaker 1: be open ended? Mark? I think it's okay for it

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Speaker 1: to be open ended because we each came up with

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Speaker 1: the answer. I'm not shifting off of my answer at

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Speaker 1: this point. It's like the Sopranos, Uh, you know, finale.

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Speaker 1: I always like to. I like to be an open

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Speaker 1: liked to in the moment. It's fifteen years ago, uh

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Speaker 1: this day or two days ago. I believe it was

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Speaker 1: the anniversary, and I liked it in the moment. Alright,

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Speaker 1: Clay Boon, I, I just want to make it known

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Speaker 1: that I would be okay to move to your vote.

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, now everyone's dug in, so

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Speaker 1: it's not so because we did definitively say what our

1096
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Speaker 1: picks are. It's also like a sign that like the

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Speaker 1: Dalton scale is perfect in its concept and in its creation,

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Speaker 1: and that Andy Dalton was the perfect person for it,

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Speaker 1: and we've never come up with another person. Alex Smith

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Speaker 1: felt good for like a year or two, but then

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Speaker 1: he like started throwing deep like Andy Dalton was the

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Speaker 1: perfect answer. It's kind of like, uh, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: it's like the perfect uh law for its time, but

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Speaker 1: time's change. You know where I'm with Dan. If if

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Speaker 1: I were forced, uh, you know, under duress to go

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Speaker 1: in another direction, Tannehill much more for me than Jameis Winston. Apologies, Greg,

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Speaker 1: I just I would go Ryan. Of all the other choices,

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Speaker 1: I would go Ryan. Also, this is like, are we

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Speaker 1: Ryan's career could be over in five days? Like are

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Speaker 1: we looking for someone that's going to be out of

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Speaker 1: the league in a year to years? Alright, well, we've

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Speaker 1: certainly given you, the listener a lot to think about.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to Patrick Claiban for joining us. We'll be

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Speaker 1: back on Thursday. We'll be back on Thursday with another

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Speaker 1: remote show. We're gonna be in Santa Monica for the

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Speaker 1: Talent Summit, NFL Media Talent Summit. We're gonna be pool

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Speaker 1: side and we're gonna try to wrangle up some guests

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Speaker 1: from the NFL media um personality and analyst world, so

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Speaker 1: that will be fun. And um, oh my goodness, a

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Speaker 1: guy and a members only jacket just walked in. And

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Speaker 1: we do have a consensus the Andy Dalton scale. The

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Speaker 1: winner this year is the man that is the prime

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Speaker 1: Ridian is