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Speaker 1: Calling all my sweeties to the forefronts.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Christopherine and Hazel and this is to

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Speaker 2: Keep It Positive Sweetie Show. Hello, and welcome back to

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Speaker 2: the Keep It Positive Sweetie Show, a safe face to heal, laugh,

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Speaker 2: grow and love and keep things real with a positive twist.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host CHRISTOPHINEE.

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Speaker 2: Hazlet, and I am so excited about today's episode. We've

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Speaker 2: got incredibly talented artists in the building. He's a Grammy

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Speaker 2: Award winning singer, songwriter and producer who's made ways with

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Speaker 2: his bold sound and fearless storytelling. He's also making incredible

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Speaker 2: ways in the fashion world. I'm talking about the one

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Speaker 2: and only, none other.

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Speaker 1: Than Saint John.

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Speaker 2: Saint John, thank you so much for coming. We are

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Speaker 2: going to break the ice with a quick game called

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Speaker 2: Roses and Rapid Fire.

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Speaker 3: All right, how you're ready, I'm ready?

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: So all you have to do is give me one

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Speaker 2: word that comes to mind when I give you a word.

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Speaker 2: First word is fashion, sexy, home, peaceful, hair, looks, the

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Speaker 2: Bigger Picture, Plans.

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Speaker 1: Grammys, must.

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Speaker 2: Coachella, Grandeur, m Puerto Rico, Political, Beyonce, Grammys, Yeah, Book

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Speaker 2: of Clarence.

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Speaker 3: Family, oh Man I just think of James.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Guyana Home Festival season.

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Speaker 3: One time.

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Speaker 1: All right, I love it. Let's get into it.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know if you remember this twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 2: It was in Mey weekend Tyler Perry's birthday. He had

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Speaker 2: a huge part in the backyard. James Sable was on

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Speaker 2: the piano. Everybody want, I say, everybody named Mama, every

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Speaker 2: I come from. Like I looked at my left Applecino

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Speaker 2: was sitting next to me, and then you looks at

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Speaker 2: your and Samuel Jackson saying, what up your effort?

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Speaker 1: Like it was like you just didn't know who you're

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Speaker 1: going to see.

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Speaker 2: And then James caused this kid to the stage and

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Speaker 2: it was you. Y. This was my first introduction to you,

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Speaker 2: and I called it tyless.

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Speaker 1: And I said what year was that party? And he

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Speaker 1: was like which one? And I was explained, He's like,

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Speaker 1: that was twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 3: I was fiftieth yea it was.

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Speaker 1: He was like forty seven.

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Speaker 2: It was like an odd year, but yeah, it was

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Speaker 2: forty seven and we had a time. But that was

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Speaker 2: my first introduction to you, and I was an instant fan.

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Speaker 3: Oh thank you, yes, yes.

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Speaker 2: When it's funny, I was telling Donna how things come

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Speaker 2: full circle, and that was one of the moments I

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Speaker 2: was like, wow, Like I get to interview him now.

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Speaker 1: But I remember what the first time I was introduced

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Speaker 1: to you.

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Speaker 3: I remember that distinctly.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't that crazy?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, because I was in a back somewhere. But

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Speaker 3: to paint the picture of how dynamic, enormous and impact

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Speaker 3: full out room was, like the world would shake. If

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Speaker 3: that room said we're gonna all do something, the whole

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Speaker 3: planet would shape literally. Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 1: It was powerful.

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Speaker 3: It was really really powerful. I remember Mariah Carey being

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Speaker 3: at the bar over here. I remember because James does this.

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Speaker 3: So James would be like, look, just come, just show

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Speaker 3: up and I won't know what I'm showing up for.

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Speaker 3: He's like, just trust me, just trust me, and I

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Speaker 3: trust him. It's my brother something showing up and pulling

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Speaker 3: up for whatever he needs. And he's like, yo, just

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Speaker 3: you're gonna be all right. Yeah, that was a pull up.

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Speaker 3: That's not the first time he's done that. That was

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Speaker 3: a pull up. I remember who he passed at this point, Michael.

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Speaker 1: Oh, yes, I'm bading Michael on the last.

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Speaker 3: Name he was. He deserves to be celebrated his name

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Speaker 3: was his last Yeah, of course he said, oh my,

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Speaker 3: we definitely know what we want to Shocky White from

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Speaker 3: the other movie for the other show. But it's Michael's

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Speaker 3: first time. This was before past. I remember Michael Williams,

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Speaker 3: Michael K. Williams. I remember running to running into him

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Speaker 3: at the bathroom and he was just his energy was

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Speaker 3: just turned like with humility and peaceful and gratitude, and

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Speaker 2: That was really sad when when I heard of his

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Speaker 2: I was like, man, when you meet people and really

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Speaker 2: get to feel their energy, he was like nothing like

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Speaker 2: his characters, Like the way he portrayed was genius, Like

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Speaker 2: But then when you guys meet him, it's such a

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Speaker 2: beautiful Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Special for sure.

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Speaker 3: That was a really memorable night. It was do you

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Speaker 3: remember I remember Kelly Rowland being in right, I remember

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Speaker 3: that And James caught me on stage right after I

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Speaker 3: closed my Sick Of Picture. It was usher I need

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Speaker 3: to say yes, and Donald Glover.

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Speaker 1: He popped up out of nowhere.

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Speaker 3: They were doing at Yes Yo.

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Speaker 1: It was crazy.

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Speaker 3: It was a crazy night. And then James was like, Yo,

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Speaker 3: come do beflex because that's his favorite song of mine.

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Speaker 3: So he starts performing with me blown.

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Speaker 2: It was, yeah, we can reminize, just we can reminisce

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Speaker 2: on that night alone for like hours.

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Speaker 1: It was such a good night.

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Speaker 2: So let's talk about your journey, going back to the beginning.

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Speaker 2: You grew up between Brooklyn and Guyana. What was that

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Speaker 2: like between shift between both cultures?

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Speaker 3: It was poor and poorer. I thought we were at

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Speaker 3: the bottom in Brooklyn because we're on food stamps. My

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Speaker 3: mom is working three shifts. She's a nurse's age. She's

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Speaker 3: just trying to hustle by the way I spent her

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Speaker 3: and I spent the last couple of weeks talking about

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Speaker 3: the word hustle because she's old school. My mom is

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Speaker 3: sixty five. So when I say hustle, and she'd heard

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Speaker 3: I wasn't a prostitute because she thought because her only

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Speaker 3: I said, Mom, come on, you know that's not what

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Speaker 3: I'm saying. But she got it, and she's like, you

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Speaker 3: know what, You're right. I wasn't super hustler, get into it,

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Speaker 3: get into it before she knew what the bag was.

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Speaker 3: She wasn't getting to the back because my mom has

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Speaker 3: four kids. Oh wow, so in single mom, my pops

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Speaker 3: Monopoly money. That's when the food stamps me on multi

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Speaker 3: could possibly be. But what was really really really important

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Speaker 3: She was just really clear on her vision and what

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Speaker 3: grew up in Brooklyn, there was always one block away

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Speaker 3: make sure she embedded into us as children. And she's right,

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Speaker 3: it would have been a tremendous difference because we got

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Speaker 3: into so much trouble, with so much trauma and drama

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Speaker 3: growing up me and my brothers that if I was

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Speaker 3: the box, we probably wouldn't have been here talking to her. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: the what would have never heard about me?

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, you talked about your mother being a preacher.

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Speaker 2: My mom was a pastor. So we're a few kids,

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Speaker 2: and just like you, every time.

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Speaker 1: The doors of the church opened, we was in there.

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Speaker 1: And I know we all like.

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Speaker 2: I went through a phase in my life where I

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Speaker 2: was like, I'm not going it since I got to college,

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Speaker 2: I just got going to church. I was like, you're

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Speaker 2: forced to do it your whole life in like Sunday school,

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Speaker 1: It was just like, oh, it's too much. The second service,

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Speaker 1: it's a lot.

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Speaker 2: Have you been able to find your own relationship with

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Speaker 2: God in your own way?

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Speaker 1: Because I feel like we are the church.

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Speaker 2: It's not a building having to go into someone. How

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Speaker 2: do you carry that out in your day to day

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Speaker 3: So I think it manifests itself in my art and

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Speaker 3: my creativity and my portrayal of my creativity. Probably even

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Speaker 3: such a normal function. It's a normal function of behavior.

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Speaker 3: I'll explain it a little bit better, Okay. So I

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Speaker 3: doing mantras and I'm almost praying all the time. You'll

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Speaker 3: always hear biblical references. You'll always hear religious references in

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Speaker 3: It just it's just happening, right. So it's almost like

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Speaker 3: I'm praying in small portions constantly. And if I didn't

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Speaker 3: I miss all the songs and all the tributes that

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Speaker 3: But as you see, like my name is Saint John,

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Speaker 3: keeps following me.

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Speaker 1: It keeps I thought I ran away.

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Speaker 3: The cross is my logo.

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Speaker 1: I saw even on your posts, you always with the

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Speaker 1: purple emoji with the cross.

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Speaker 3: It just keeps not haunting me wouldn't be the right word,

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Speaker 3: but it keeps trailing me. It's always, ever, ever present.

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Speaker 3: Because I definitely ran away from the institutional church. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I hated that. I hated that. I hated would have

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Speaker 3: tried to teach me that I had to be. I

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Speaker 3: hated how prejudicial it was and how hell and brim fire.

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Speaker 3: I hate that level of preaching. I didn't like that

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Speaker 3: it wasn't inclusive and whatever your journey could be or

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Speaker 3: your process could be. But in my daily regimen, my

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Speaker 3: daily practice, I'm giving it up to God all the time,

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Speaker 3: even in the small ways. My mom told me, she

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Speaker 3: said I was telling about something I was going through recently,

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Speaker 3: and she said, cool, got to go talk to God.

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Speaker 3: She was like, She's like, you know, I don't beg

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Speaker 3: God for nothing. For nothing, I used to just go

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Speaker 3: to your father. And I said, look, Father is what

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Speaker 3: I need?

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Speaker 3: I'm like, this is yeah, this is it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. You don't have to beg him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, just like you wouldn't have to beg your

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Speaker 1: I love that I got to meet your eye. She

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Speaker 1: seemed like she cool, Yeah, very much. I love that.

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Speaker 2: So we just finished New York Fashion Week and one

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Speaker 2: thing I will say about you because I didn't we

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Speaker 2: had never officially met. Like I think I had posted

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Speaker 2: one of your songs after Tyler's party and you send

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Speaker 3: So I'm always grateful for everybody who's there. I'm like, yo,

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Speaker 3: And I think my confidence comes from all of the things,

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Speaker 3: It's all good. Yeah, one day up, next day down.

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Speaker 1: I was like, man, I really made it through that.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes it's tough for me to pinpoint because they're daily.

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Speaker 3: I think you know, if if your skin is clear

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Speaker 3: mean that I'm wrestling with shit. Yah, pardon me from curse. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I might have to circle back.

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Speaker 2: No, it's okay, cause I just I know, like we

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Speaker 3: Nothing, but I was kind of the roughest or it's

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Speaker 2: Closest in, No, that was probably and it felt it

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Speaker 2: felt so long, like you know how sometimes you.

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Speaker 1: Just have like a bad week. It felt like a

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Speaker 2: Didn't I make the right choice coming here? Clearly I did,

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Speaker 2: But yeah, that was definitely a season. I want to

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Speaker 2: I don't even there's no genre to put you in

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Speaker 1: What was the inspiration for that? Was your creative process?

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Speaker 3: I'm free?

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Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, I can tell I move like.

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Speaker 3: I'm free, I live like I'm free because in truth quietly,

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Speaker 3: I'm in search your freedom. Wow, I'm trying to project

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Speaker 3: the thing that I'm in search of search. I'm desperately

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Speaker 3: being humble. I'm not This is not humility. This is

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Speaker 3: me being clear. This is clarity. Yeah right, maybe I'm

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Speaker 3: Maybe I'm special in a way. They were all special.

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Speaker 3: I don't think I'm special in any type of way.

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Speaker 3: I think I'm highlighted because I found my place. But

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Speaker 3: just rapping, just battle rapping, just pursuing something I was

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Speaker 3: I spent twenty years making music before anybody had heard

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Speaker 1: Wow, like twenty years, that's what we don't hear.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, real, twenty years. Imagine keeping the same energy for

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Speaker 3: twenty years, and keeping your skin glowing for twenty years,

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Speaker 3: and keeping your physique strong for twenty years, and keeping

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Speaker 3: It's a lost many many, many summers. Most people give

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Speaker 1: Literally no, and that's why you are where you are.

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Speaker 2: Toay, a lot of people don't make it to be

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Speaker 2: to be free and creative because they give up. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and when people say, man, that just happened, No, it

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Speaker 1: It was twenty.

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Speaker 3: Years, twenty years, and yeah, it's rue. In those twenty years,

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Speaker 3: I made so many different choices. I made so many

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Speaker 3: sometimes I'm singing. Sometimes it sounds a little bit like

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Speaker 3: and B. Sometimes it sounds like dance hall, although I'm

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Speaker 3: in my life. Sometimes it's country music, because I think

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, basically I can hear for some reason, I think

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Speaker 3: and that's why these relate. And I'm constantly playing and

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Speaker 3: So I'm genre diversion because I'm just honestly experimenting m.

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Speaker 2: Do you feel like you found your sound or do

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Speaker 3: It's always evolving. Yeah, I found my truth and in

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Speaker 3: I'm always just telling my story, right, So no matter

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Speaker 1: Story where yes, yeah, yeah, I got you. That makes sense.

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Speaker 2: I love that you started off doing songwriting for people,

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Speaker 2: but then you stated I was having success. But who

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Speaker 1: At what point?

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Speaker 2: What was that aha moment that no, I need to

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Speaker 2: or what were you in the studio when you're like, wait,

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Speaker 2: what am I?

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Speaker 1: What am I doing? Like when did you have that

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Speaker 3: It was about there was two of them, so maybe three.

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Speaker 3: So this one time I was writing songs and it

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Speaker 3: I mean I'm any progress with any landing any songs

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Speaker 3: with any major artists, right. I remember I started songwriting

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Speaker 3: have meetings with A and r's or record executives, like

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Speaker 3: I needed. And by virtue of asking other people what

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Speaker 3: I could do for them, it changed my life. It

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Speaker 3: as you think you are. Shut up, going to the

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Speaker 3: back of the room. Listen, take criticism, take judgment, internalize it,

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Speaker 3: recycle it and become better, get great. It was like

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Speaker 3: in service of somebody else's art, you have to take criticism, critiques,

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Speaker 3: you have to take judgment, you have to you get

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Speaker 3: sharper because it's someone else's lens, someone else's vision. So

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Speaker 3: it's an incredible training course. So I remember going finally

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Speaker 3: having relationships enough to have meetings with A and r's

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Speaker 3: and I'm having these A and R meetings and having

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Speaker 3: playing my songs, and maybe twenty four months into that, right,

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Speaker 3: because that's just one part of it, they started someone said, oh,

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Speaker 3: this is really good, this song is really good. I

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Speaker 3: something good. It's like but I can't take it. I

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Speaker 3: it sounds too much like you. And it took me

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Speaker 3: twelve months from that point to see the value in

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Speaker 3: that statement. That statement changed my life.

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Speaker 2: It sounds too much like so much like me, Like

438
00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,240
Speaker 2: that's it took.

439
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:16,480
Speaker 3: Me twelve months ago. Oh oh oh I got it, Yes,

440
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:22,199
Speaker 3: Oh I got it. Invisible, Yeah you hear me. You

441
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,240
Speaker 3: can't even avoid me through the thing that I'm trying

442
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 3: to hide myself behind to be in service of somebody

443
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 3: else's MM.

444
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:29,720
Speaker 1: That's powerful.

445
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 3: And that changed me. And then the first time i'd

446
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:38,040
Speaker 3: written like, I got the Usher record and like I

447
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:39,879
Speaker 3: guess a year or so it passed. I think s

448
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 3: there was a time period between the Usher record and

449
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 3: closed my SoC I remember correctly the Usher record and

450
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,879
Speaker 3: in a song that I wrote called Roses, which was

451
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 3: intended for Beyonce. That's what that was the intended target,

452
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 3: cause I'm just songwriting at this point. I'm and my friends,

453
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 3: I'm and my producer. It was a friend of mine,

454
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,880
Speaker 3: his name is Falling. I'm in his bedroom and Bush

455
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 3: and we're making these records in his bedroom. And they

456
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 3: were like, yo, Yo, whoever the A and R was

457
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 3: at the time, It's like yo, we need records, we

458
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 3: need ideas for me. And I was like, okay, cool,

459
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,879
Speaker 3: I know what I want her to do. That's what

460
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 3: I was thinking as a fan. This is where I

461
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 3: want her to go next. This is unexplained territory. So

462
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 3: I wrote Roses, and it was in between writing Roses

463
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 3: and writing Crash for Usher and we sent roses in

464
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,200
Speaker 3: and I think there was no response at first, and

465
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,679
Speaker 3: then there was a response like, Nah, this isn't it

466
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:40,160
Speaker 3: whatever it was, I'm butchering whatever the language that came back.

467
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 3: But I knew that I believe in the song so

468
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,959
Speaker 3: much that I was clear. I was like, Oh, they

469
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,199
Speaker 3: don't hear it. Yes, Oh they don't hear it. That

470
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 3: doesn't mean this isn't what I think it is. That

471
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 3: just means they don't hear it. There's nothing wrong with that.

472
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 3: And if I think this is what I think it is,

473
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 3: I go put it out. And I did that. I

474
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 3: think it was twenty sixteen when a conversation happened and

475
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 3: I put it out in twenty seventeen.

476
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 1: Wow, and it was phenomenal.

477
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

478
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 1: Do you feel like that's the song that changed everything?

479
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 3: I think a bunch of things changed my life, because

480
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 3: if I'd just put that song out in twenty seventeen

481
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 3: and sat down, nothing would.

482
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 1: Have happened, right, Yeah.

483
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 3: I think the fact that I put the song out,

484
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 3: went on tour when no one knew my name, when

485
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 3: no one cared about me, and I opened I was

486
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 3: first of four for work doing. I was opening for

487
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 3: Post Malone oh wow, the first of four. Look, you

488
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 3: don't gotta be in music, you don't gotta be in art,

489
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 3: you don't gotta be in fashioned. To be the first

490
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 3: of four for the headliner is a terrible position to

491
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 3: be in if you see.

492
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,360
Speaker 1: It that way, if you see yeah, gotta see your perspective.

493
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw it as an opportunity. Good right. That

494
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 3: means he comes on, absolutely, he comes on at nine thirty,

495
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 3: doors open at seven, and I'm on it sevent ten.

496
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 3: And maybe the room at capacity is fifteen hundred people.

497
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 3: And by the time I start performing that maybe there's

498
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 3: eighty five people. Maybe there's one hundred and ten. Yeah,

499
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 3: And I'm just giving everything I got because those hundred

500
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 3: and ten people are going to know my name.

501
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

502
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 3: I just moved my feet and did the work. I

503
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 3: just kept doing the work. Yeah, And that is what

504
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 3: changed my life. That's what allowed me to match the

505
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,360
Speaker 3: energy of a song that I knew the world should hear.

506
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 3: So the song was before it's time, and I had

507
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 3: to catch up an energy. So the song went this

508
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 3: way and I had to go this way, So it

509
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 3: was waiting for me to match its energy.

510
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 1: I love it. I love I just love how life works.

511
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 1: In closing, I want to talk about a few things.

512
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 1: We want to be nosy.

513
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 2: Just do it all right, we'll start off easy first.

514
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 2: How do you maintain your work life balance.

515
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 3: I don't have a work life balance.

516
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 1: Heay, you just just whatever work is life is.

517
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it work is life. Yeah, I don't I feel Yeah.

518
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 3: I record in my living room because I don't want

519
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 3: it to be a separation between church and state. For me,

520
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 3: when I'm done working, I want to go to bed,

521
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 3: and when I wake up at peace, I want to

522
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 3: go to work and I need it to be fluid.

523
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

524
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 3: That's why I can tell my truth because I'm not

525
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 3: rehearsing anything. I'm not prepping anything to get to a place.

526
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 3: I remember when I was just getting started in the studio,

527
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 3: time was twenty dollars an hour, and I can only

528
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 3: be in a studio for an hour and a half

529
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 3: because I only save up thirty bucks. Yeah, I remember

530
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 3: that guy in the back of my head. So when

531
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 3: I finally got into a position where my home could

532
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 3: be my studio, I'm like, I want to be able

533
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 3: to work when the idea strikes me. I wake up

534
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 3: at eight o'clock and I'll be in a studio by

535
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 3: eighth nine. I do twenty five push ups and start recording,

536
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 3: and then knock on the door to wake up my engineer, Like, Louis.

537
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: Get up, I got something.

538
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 3: It's time.

539
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 1: I love it. I love that. Are you in a relationship?

540
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 3: Yeah you are?

541
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay yeah.

542
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 2: What is the DNA of the perfect mate for Saint John?

543
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: Like, how would you describe that person?

544
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 3: She has to be humble and bold, And I'm in

545
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 3: love with a hustler. I'm in love with somebody who

546
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 3: knows how to go and get it, figure it out.

547
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 3: I like a brilliant or even when it was a

548
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 3: brilliant dot dot dot dot dot. I'm a big fan

549
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 3: of a triple melanin girl, of a super chocolate one.

550
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 3: Love it. Yeah, of a brown skin queen.

551
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: I'm brownskin girl?

552
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 2: Is that the.

553
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 3: I love it? I love it.

554
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 1: Do you want children?

555
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 3: Wow? What a big question. I'm pausing because there's so

556
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,479
Speaker 3: much that goes with that. It's not a simple thing.

557
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 3: It's not like, yo, I just want children. If you

558
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 3: want children, you're gonna have to figure out how to

559
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,199
Speaker 3: feed them, how to love them, how to guard them,

560
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 3: how to provide for them. Mentally, how to safeguard their future,

561
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 3: how to craft a plan for them. Yes, despite the

562
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 3: plan you have for yourself, you're going to have to

563
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 3: figure out how two parallel lines work together even when

564
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 3: they separate sometimes. So Yeah, I'd love to have children,

565
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 3: but I need to be able to give them all

566
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 3: the things that I know that are important. Because now

567
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 3: I'm wiser than i've ever well. My mom had me.

568
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 3: She ain't know no better. My mom comes from ten

569
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 3: and she created four, and all of my brothers and

570
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 3: sisters have kids. And I'm thinking to myself, I held

571
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,479
Speaker 3: out the longest side. I kept a good fight going right.

572
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 3: I did as much as I possibly could, and I

573
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 3: want to be it be a tragedy for me to

574
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 3: leave this planet and not let someone inherit all the

575
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 3: things that I learned intuitively, like stand as close to

576
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 3: me as possible and say, yo, look I got it

577
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 3: for you. I know how we're going to do this.

578
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make this better for you. I got all

579
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 3: this love for you, all of these failures that I failed.

580
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 3: I can teach you, Yes, but I need to be

581
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 3: able to do it honestly and earnestly and with full

582
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 3: energy and attention, and I can't take a break from

583
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 3: the things that I love outside of my familial life.

584
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 3: So I have to figure out that juggle. So i'd

585
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 3: love to I'd love to be in a place where

586
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 3: I got there's a little one. I walk in here

587
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 3: and you're like, you're reading that book I gave you.

588
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 3: That'd be cool, But I gotta do it the right way.

589
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 3: It has to be done the right way or I'm

590
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,239
Speaker 3: going to produce something that was as messed up as

591
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 3: I was. And I have to figure out how to

592
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 3: heal myself. And yeah, still I am. I'm still figuring

593
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 3: that out.

594
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. Saint John, Thank you so much.

595
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: Thank you. Is there anything else I want to know?

596
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 2: What's next that you can tell our audience to how

597
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 2: it can support you in your future endeavors.

598
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: What's coming up?

599
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 3: I'm going on tour again. I'm really excited about that.

600
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: Okay, we gotta go. We gotta hit one, so I.

601
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 3: Start a season tour. Tour is my most honest version

602
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 3: of myself. I'm making a plane out the live about

603
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 3: who I am, what I am, and what I'm trying

604
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 3: to do, but on tour because it's just me and

605
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 3: a microphone and a captive audience. Yeah, and I don't

606
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 3: think I'm as creative as other people think I am.

607
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 3: So when I'm on that stage, I can't hide from you.

608
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: No, it's the most exposure, is it.

609
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's me and you, seventy something minutes the lights

610
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 3: of either brighter moody. I can't be so clever that

611
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 3: I come up with all of this storyline. My memory

612
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 3: ain't even that good. I'll be forgetting my lyrics so

613
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 3: much less the nonsense I plan on saying. So I'm

614
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 3: either gonna give I gotta give you my truth. So

615
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 3: whatever it is, I'm giving my truth. So touring me

616
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 3: is the most vulnerable, open, unhinged me possible. So if

617
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 3: you really see that and you love that, then you

618
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:50,959
Speaker 3: figured out a way to love me for who I am.

619
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 3: So I'm really excited to go back on tour. I

620
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 3: love it.

621
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: I cannot wait to come see you.

622
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 3: You're gonna love it.

623
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: I'm so excited.

624
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 3: I love it.

625
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: Well, anyway, we will definitely support you, sweeties.

626
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: Make sure you download his new album when it comes out,

627
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 2: and we will definitely catching one of your tour days.

628
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Seriously, you have been a joy.

629
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: I absolutely love your energy.

630
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you. I love yours too. This is

631
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 3: in congrats Sven, thank you. It's no small feet to

632
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 3: do anything consistently. Wow.

633
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. I received that.

634
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 3: Thank you. It's a miracle for real. No, and it

635
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 3: looks good and it smelled good. The hallway smells good.

636
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: You know how hard that is, doesn't like?

637
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I love it.

638
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: I love it. That's we are coming out with actually

639
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: some home candles. Oh, shameless plug, but I'll send you.

640
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 3: Line me up.

641
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: I got you, Yeah, I got you.

642
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 3: That's one of my next endeavors. Okayah, I love that?

643
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 3: Is it? Well, I'm not going to ask about this.

644
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 3: This is probably not yours. This is one of the

645
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 3: this is one of the joys. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I

646
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 3: need that.

647
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: I got you your big one.

648
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, thank you for having me.

649
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, guys.

650
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 2: My episode with Saint John was more than I could

651
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 2: have ever imagined.

652
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: His energy, his spirit, his journey was so inspiring.

653
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: The one thing I took from him was when he

654
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 2: said that it was twenty years until he got his

655
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 2: first shot, and also he said it wasn't until he

656
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: was in service of others that he really learned everything

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Speaker 2: he needed to learn. So that's a note I think

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Speaker 2: we can all take is be of service to others. Wow,

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Speaker 2: what an amazing conversation with Saint John.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're leaving inspired as I am.

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Speaker 2: He's a true testament to staying authentic and working hard

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Speaker 2: and trusting the journey.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in to another.

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Speaker 2: Episode of the Keep It Positive Sweetish Show. Don't forget

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Speaker 2: Positive Sweetie at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, in between time, you know what to do.

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Speaker 1: Keep it positive, Sweeties,