1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Don't you love vacations? You know, 2 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: I was never one of those people that live for 3 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: the weekend or lived for vacation until I had the 4 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: twins my children. Now I look forward to it, I 5 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: think about it, I plan it. And when I heard 6 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: about this beautiful woman Surprior, a thirty three year old 7 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: mom who dies on vacation trying to take her children 8 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: out on an excursion and adventure, I immediately thought of 9 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: all the times I've taken the twins on this adventure 10 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: and that excursion and just thought it was wonderful. A 11 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: thirty three year old mom dead on an excursion. I mean, see, Grace, 12 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us 13 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation and Serious XM one eleven. What 14 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: happened to this beautiful young mom, just gorgeous young mom, 15 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: so loving, so dedicated to her children. Why did this 16 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: have to happen? Let's start where I like to start 17 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: every single jury trial if I can, and that is 18 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: with the nine one one call. Listen nine egency Um 19 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: on the Ocean by Pigeon Key, a pair of sailor's 20 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,919 Speaker 1: line of broke Free and there in the waters. Okay, 21 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: hold on a second. Let me see seven on the water, 22 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: seven mom bridge. She said, yes, you're right here, pigeon pie. 23 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: I'm not physically there. My husband bald, and he said 24 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: to report it. He's on the water and I'll give 25 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: you his number if you need. Okay. So it's a parasale. Yep. 26 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: They were parasailing and the line of snaps and the 27 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: boats trying to get to the person. But he's trying 28 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: half naps okay, and would into the bridge. You know, 29 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 1: oh's pudge. Okay, let me see you. If I've got 30 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: somebody in the water, what is your name? Okay, I'm 31 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: gonna try to get him out there. So there were, 32 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: um how many subjects were on the paras do you know? 33 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: Or in the water idea. He's just in the distance 34 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 1: and it sounds like several boats are trying to get 35 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: to the person. But he just wanted to report it. 36 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: Not nothing that's gonna happen now, Okay, thank you, thank you. Okay. 37 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if it drives you crazy when I 38 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: listen to these nine one one calls, and it seems 39 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 1: like the nine one one dispatch officers asking all sorts 40 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: of superfluous incidental information when I just want them to 41 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: get the medics there. That's what I want to happen again. 42 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 1: A gorgeous young mother tries to entertain children, taking them 43 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: on this para selling excursion, this adventure. How many times 44 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: have we done something like that? I haven't done para selling, 45 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 1: but I've done other things. And she's dead. She is dead. 46 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us, guys at Fox Station. In 47 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: series eleven, I've got an all star panel to make 48 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: sense of what we know right now. Michael Winkleman, high 49 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 1: profile maritime attorney, joining us out of Miami at Lukin, 50 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: Marguillis and Winkleman. He's quite the expert. Doctor Angela Arnold, 51 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: renowned psychiatrists, joining us out of the Atlanta Juristiction. You 52 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: can find her at Angela Arnold MD dot com. Robert 53 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: Crispin talk about a gumshoe private investigator extraordinaire at Crispin's 54 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: Special Investigations. You can find him at Crispin Investigations dot com. 55 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: Doctor Tim Gallagher, medical examiner for the entire state of 56 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: Florida and of course Florida will keep you busy. Pathcare 57 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: Med dot com. Lecturer University of Florida Medical School in 58 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: Forensic Medicine and the founder and host of the incredible 59 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: International Forensic Medicine Death Investigation Conference. A very special guest 60 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: joining us, Mark McCollough, a parasailing safety expert and the 61 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: chairman of Parashil Safety Council. But first, Tim O'Hara joining 62 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: US reporter with the Key West Citizen, and you can 63 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: find him at keysnews dot com. Tim O'Hara, I want 64 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: you to hear a little bit more of this nine 65 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: one one call. Listen to him. Where is your emergency? 66 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: The seven mile bridge of Moser's channels, there is a 67 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: parasailorum north bridge and the rope growth and he's okay, 68 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: I've got a call on this already. I just want 69 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 1: to ask you a questions. Hold on okay, addition color okay? 70 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: And can you tell me it was just one male? 71 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: We don't know we oh, it was one person in 72 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: the parents sale why okay. So there's one person in 73 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: the water. Now he's being drug across the water by 74 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: the sail being drug okay, and its water Moser Channel. Okay, 75 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: We're gonna We've got deputies in FWC and everybody on 76 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: their way out there. I'm going to get the medical 77 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,559 Speaker 1: out there to stage for them. So thank you for Okay, 78 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: I just wonder every time I hear these number one calls, 79 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: have they already sent somebody where they just chatting it 80 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: up with people online and on the front. Tim o 81 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: Harry joining me from the Key West Citizen. Tim, thanks 82 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: for being with us. What happened? I mean some of 83 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: that still needs to be worked out. But as you 84 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,799 Speaker 1: can hear from that call, you know, you have multiple 85 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: boats saying, you know, we see this what they had 86 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: thought that the line had snap. We later find out 87 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: it was cut, but did it snaps? We have wait wait, wait, wait, 88 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: wait wait wait. You know, Tim O'Hara talking to you 89 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: is like drinking from a fire hydra. It's just so 90 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: much at once, you know, I can't take it all. 91 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: And you said, okay, we first we thought the Paris 92 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: first first Martin McCullough joining US Paras selling safety expert. 93 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: I know you can hear Tim O'Hara crack, reporter with 94 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 1: the QY West Citizen. What is he talking about? What 95 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: did he just say? Well, it sounded like what the 96 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: person that called nine one one thought they saw the 97 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 1: paracel snap, the line snap, So that means while the 98 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: person para selling means you get into some contraption with 99 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: a with a sail, like off a sailboat behind you, 100 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: and you're attached to a cord like you you're skiing 101 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 1: behind a boat, and then the cord is attached to 102 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: I guess a speedboat, and the speedboat takes off and 103 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: then you're, in theory supposed to go up in the 104 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: air and sail behind it. Is that what you call 105 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: para selling? That's correct? Okay? Then what is it when 106 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: we drive past the water and we see people out 107 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: there on a it looks like a little floaty like 108 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: a boogie board, and they've got a sail on it 109 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: and they're they're guiding it with their hands and their body. 110 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: What is that? That's that's not para selling? What is that? 111 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: It's uh, it's like sailboarding. Sailboarding. Okay, okay, So we're 112 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: not talking about that. We're talking about para selling. I'm 113 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: repeating to you questions that I've gotten on Insta, Twitter 114 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: and Facebook, so don't kill the messenger. And also I 115 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: wanted to hear the difference too, So that's called what 116 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: did you say, Chrispin? Is that you jump in, skateboarding 117 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: out tight boarding, Okay, parasling whole nother animal. Now, Tim 118 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: O'Hara joining us Key West citizen, did I hear you 119 00:07:54,880 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 1: correctly that at first what onlookers witnesses thought the the 120 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: cord had snapped, correct and what turned out to be 121 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: three people in the harness of that well basically being 122 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: blown across a sort of a bay area, in an 123 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: area where there's age seven mile bridge, a very large 124 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: concrete and steel structure. Why would you parashill near a 125 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: submit bridge? Just first thing that pops into my head. 126 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: But hold on, Martin McCollough, see Tim O'Hara. I don't 127 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: know if this is good or bad, and no offense, 128 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: doctor Tim Gallagher. But talking to you, Tim O'Hara, reminds 129 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: me of all the times I'd be getting ready for 130 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: a homicide trial and I'd have to go talk well, 131 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: I actually look forward to it, talking to the medical examiner, 132 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: and every line I have to go. Way, Okay, let's 133 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: set let's figure out what you just said. You threw 134 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: out a bunch of anatomical terms and Latin terms and 135 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: doctor terms nobody knows about but you So what does 136 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: that mean? Mark? McCullough for the line to just snap. Well, 137 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,839 Speaker 1: and there are most of the accidents that result in 138 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: deaths have been in high winds where the line actually 139 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: actually disconnects from the boat. Disconnects. Yeah, well it's snapped. 140 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: I mean the line snap. Okay. See to me, the 141 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: meaning of snap means the chord breaks, But according to you, 142 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: snap means it comes disengaged or unattached to the boat. 143 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: Which one is it disengaged from the boat? Okay, Tim o'harry, 144 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: is that what you meant. I thought that meant that 145 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: the cord breaks in the air. I'm sorry, it broke 146 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: free from the vessel. Okay. And that's called snap A snap, yeah, yeah, 147 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: with snap off or break off or disengaged. So it 148 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: disengaged from the boat. Is that what you thought, Jackie snap? 149 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: I thought the line broke. Yes, I thought the line broke. 150 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: But you're saying, Hey, I'm just a lawyer. I'm not 151 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: a paracel expert. So lines it says parashel slang. I 152 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: hear you. So line snap means the cord becomes disengaged 153 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: from the boat, not that it breaks. I would say 154 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,599 Speaker 1: it broke, it broke from the boat. So now you 155 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: have three people basically floating in the air, so it 156 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: became disengaged from the boat. All right, they're not tethered 157 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: to the boat anymore. Okay, back to you, Tim O'Hara. 158 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: You then said you think the captain of the boat 159 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: cut it. Yes, why, well, that's going to be the 160 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: biggest question as part of this criminal investigation. That in 161 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: the weather is going to be the two biggest factors 162 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: going in disengstion. Tell me about the weather because a 163 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: storm seemingly propelled them. Who is them? All I know 164 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: is about the thirty three year old mom so Priya 165 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 1: and her nephew, nephew nine years old Vishy and ten 166 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: year old son Screa. Correct? Correct? Whoa, So you've got 167 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: a nine and a ten year old little boys up 168 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: in the air para sailing in a storm near a 169 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: cement bridge. Do I have that much right? Yes, that's correct. 170 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: But also also we are much Florida where storms where 171 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: storms do sort of like these little you know, I 172 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: will call them squalls. You know, they can brew up 173 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: very fairly quickly. Now you would think you would see 174 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: this somewhere in the distance and maybe or board this trip. Yes, okay, 175 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: can I just point something out to everybody. Robert Crispin, 176 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: private investigator, joining me out of Florida right now. Has 177 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: anybody heard of the Farmer's Almanac? Or is that just me? 178 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: Because aside a little girl, little little we had a copy, 179 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: black and white copy of the Farmer's Almanac at always 180 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 1: in the house. My grandmother had one, my great grandmother 181 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: had one. So you have an idea about what the 182 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: weather is going to be. Now, this happened on what day, 183 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: Tim O'Hara, what day to this happened? I've got on 184 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 1: May thirty, Memorial Day. Correct, We didn't know there was 185 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: going to be a storm, So Nancy, I'll tell you 186 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: you know, of course we have all heard about that. 187 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: But today's technology, and we're in rainy season, and everybody 188 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: knows rainy season. It rains every single day, and these 189 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: squalls come up out of nowhere. And this is just 190 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: an epic failure at the helm by the captain on 191 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: so many different levels from that trip should have probably 192 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: never went down, or that captain saw that, and those 193 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: people should have been brought down immediately, but he elected 194 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: to keep them up. Is this Crispin talking? It is 195 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: Crispin you're right, and to you, Michael Winkleman, high profile 196 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: lawyer joining me out of Miami. Michael, I don't know 197 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: if you know this. If you don't know it, you 198 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: better get on my Facebook and friendly or ANSTA or Twitter. 199 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 1: Because my children just graduated from middle school. Big deal 200 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: we threw. I don't let me just say, quite the 201 00:12:55,960 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 1: shin dig and it had to be outside. Of course, 202 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: I need two weeks in advance. It was supposed to 203 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 1: storm that day, two weeks beforehand. I knew there was 204 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: going to be a horrible storm the day of the 205 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: graduation because I wanted to have a party and celebrate 206 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: for Pete's sake. Now how come I knew that two 207 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: weeks ahead of time. I want to look at it 208 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: every day to see if there was a change. Yet 209 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: they didn't know there was going to be a major 210 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 1: storm that propelled this young mother and in a hundred 211 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: a ten year old little boy, and now the mom 212 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: is dead. How did I know it was going to 213 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: storm that day but they didn't. Well, you're Nancy Grace, 214 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: so you're sharper than knife, so you have the wherewithal 215 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: to be looking out for things like that. The singular 216 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: comment that I'll make in defense of these operators was 217 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: that these storms do come out of nowhere. But I 218 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: find that to be such a feeble excuse, because Florid 219 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: or a statue requires them to have weather determining capabilities 220 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: out there so they can know exactly what's coming. Combine 221 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: that with a small dose of common sense, which is 222 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: looking around and seeing the storm's coming, and things like 223 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: this never happened. And look, this is what I do 224 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: for a living. I just finished the case out of 225 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: Mexico where a woman was at a resort down there. 226 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: They one of these fly by night operations took her 227 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: up from the beach. You could see the storm off 228 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: in the distance. The line maps. She's in the air 229 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: for forty five minutes and ends up crashing down in 230 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: the airport in Mexico. Thank goodness, she survived. We successfully 231 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: resolved her case. But look here we have this beautiful 232 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: thirty three year old woman and her Unfortunately the children 233 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: did survive. But you have these terrible tragedies that are 234 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: are clearly preventable. Clearly, you know, Michael Winkleman. Just hearing 235 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: you say that, you said, this is a beautiful mom, 236 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: And I said beautiful, and I don't mean just on 237 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: the outside. I mean on the insight too, Her little 238 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: boy ten years old, her nephew still in the hospital, 239 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: nine years old. There's just you know, to you, doctor 240 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: Angela Arnold, high profile psychiatrist joining me out of Atlanta. 241 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: I remember the twins being nine years old, and how 242 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: dependent they were, and how innocent and trusting they were. 243 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: And this mother these were the loves of her life. 244 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: She was beautiful on the inside. Now she was not 245 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: a parasailing expert, but this captain was. How in the 246 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: h E double l do you strap a nine and 247 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: ten year old little boy into a harness and put 248 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: them up in the air on the day of a 249 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: storm near a cement bridge with the unassuming mommy. Mommy 250 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: probably helped harness them in. I mean, it's just it's 251 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: just all wrong. Can I tell you something? Can I 252 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: tell you something, doctor Angie? And I think you may 253 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: actually be the culprit. Know, my daughter Lucy has always 254 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: had a thing for sloths. They're really super cute, and 255 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: she has a stuffed sloth. She looked up pictures of sloths. Anyway, 256 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: so we said, where you're going to get to? Where 257 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: we're going to go on vacation. Out of the blue, 258 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: this child says Costa Rica. I'm oh, okay, so I 259 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: got busy trying to make that happen in a way, 260 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: you know, the unaffordable way to go looking for sloths. 261 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: Do you know when we got back from Costa Rica, 262 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: which by the way, ended up being less money than 263 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: going to Florida for a week, that said, after all 264 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: anybody could say was did you go ziplining? I I know, 265 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: because zip lining is dangerous enough in the US, where 266 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: we have safety measures, much less in another country. You know, 267 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: I don't even know they have nine one one. So 268 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: long story short, this mom, we're in Florida, We're in 269 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: the US, what we think is the most civilized, in 270 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: the greatest superpower in the world, and they're still letting 271 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,199 Speaker 1: people go up in the air with a nine and 272 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: eighteen year old in a storm near a cement bridge. 273 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: Help me, doctor Angie. Well, you know, Nancy, what you 274 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 1: said at the beginning about the kids trusting their mom, 275 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: and then there's there's a trust that if you give 276 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 1: your money to someone and they have a boat and 277 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: a parasale, that they know what they're doing. Otherwise that 278 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: woman wouldn't have taken those kids up on that parasale 279 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: no way, so you automatically trust that and it's fun. 280 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: They're from Illinois, they're down in Florida for Memorial Day, 281 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 1: and they wanted to do something different. And unless Nancy, 282 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: they're into crime like you are and I am, and 283 00:17:55,400 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: they're hearing these stories constantly, then they may not think 284 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: about the danger that may be lying in one of 285 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: these activities. And hey, that's why I need a shrink. 286 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: And I write about this in my knee book. And 287 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: I had to do a lot of research on this 288 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: because we've been on a couple of Disney cruises and 289 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: they let you go out on what they call excursions. 290 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 1: That's why I'm even getting that word. Where you go 291 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: to a banana plantation and you go see sugarcane, mate, 292 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: and you go to a monkey preserve and all these 293 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: cool things. You go in a rainforest. That's why I 294 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 1: call them excursions. But on our cruise that we went on, 295 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 1: it was very controlled. You know, Disney is not going 296 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: to be hooked up with some fly by night adventure 297 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: where you end up dead, and I would carefully look 298 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: at them. I started thinking about those excursions when I 299 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: heard about a zip line incident. I think it was 300 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 1: in Mexico. I wrote a whole section about it, and 301 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,959 Speaker 1: don't be a victim. I think that when you go 302 00:18:56,040 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: on vacation, you somehow suspend your common sense in a way. 303 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: You and everybody does it. You aren't rust yes, and 304 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: you're relaxing, you're having fun. Oh, they're not going to 305 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: poison me there. Everybody knows what they're doing. But that's 306 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: not I don't believe that's always the case, Nancy. I 307 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: think you lower your guard when you're on vacation. I 308 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: don't know what that phenomena is. Guys, take a listen 309 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: to our cut three our friends at WPLG. It happened 310 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: Monday evening, a witness describing a harrowing scene when bad 311 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: weather blew in around six pm. We're told people were 312 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: parasailing when the tow line broke, sending the shoote into 313 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: the bridge. At least one good samaritan in this white 314 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: Center console helped cut the line, getting a woman and 315 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 1: two children out of their harnesses and onto his boat. 316 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: A Marathon City official tells Local ten the sunset grill 317 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: on the east side of the bridge is where the 318 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: victims were taken. We saw Florida Fish and Wildlife officers 319 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: speaking to several people who were then escorted to their van. 320 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:06,199 Speaker 1: Monroe County Sheriff's Office deputies also unseen. Sources say the 321 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: woman in the parasale did not survive. M Oo. Now 322 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut number five. This is 323 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: Christina Esqus WPLG. This video captures the heartbreaking incident. State 324 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: investigators say a mother from Illinois and her two children 325 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: collided into the old seven mile bridge near Pigeon Key 326 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: and a parasailing accident just before five thirty Monday afternoon. 327 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 1: According to Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission, the mom 328 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: died from her injuries. Both children were hurt. John Collem 329 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: was on his boat nearby, riding on Facebook quote never 330 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 1: take life for granted. Things can change in a second. 331 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: A storm, he says, kicked up wins in a matter 332 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: of seconds. Then the line connected to the parasale snapped. 333 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: He rushed over, working with his passengers, he says, to 334 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: cut them free from their harnesses. One of those passengers, 335 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: he writes on Facebook, resuscitating one of the boys as 336 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: they raced to meet first responders. At sunset grill. A 337 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 1: Monroe County Sheriff's Office incident report details a harrowing account 338 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: of the efforts to try and help one boy conscious 339 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: and alert the mom unconscious, and another small boy approximately 340 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: nine years old, was unconscious and barely breathing on the dock, 341 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 1: later flown to Nicholas Children's Hospital, staff gently guiding him 342 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: in on a gurney. Unknown is how he's doing tonight 343 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: time stories with Nancy Grace Back. You're Tim O'Hara joining 344 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: us from the Key West Citizen and you can find 345 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: them at Keysnews dot com. So Tim O'Hara, these this 346 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: family down from Illinois, they go out, Okay, take it 347 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,239 Speaker 1: from there. So like if we already discussed, so they 348 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: go out, they get three of them put in the 349 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: harness of this. They get put up in the parasale. 350 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: They are, you know, I don't know exactly how many 351 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 1: miles offer where the bridges. But the weather turns um 352 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 1: as we've spoke earlier, the the it's called paked and 353 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: I'm sure your your parasale expert can tell you a 354 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 1: little bit more what that means, but basically means the 355 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: weather is impacting the sail so much that it is 356 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: um uh that it's affecting the operation of the boat, 357 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: and so the captain decides at that time to cut 358 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 1: the line, basically disengaging the parasale from the boat and 359 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: they are now, you know, being taken by the wind 360 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 1: in the parasale. Did you just call it pegging? That's 361 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: what's that's the term they use in the parason you know, 362 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: uh world as when basically the wind and the weather 363 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 1: is impacting the actual operation of the boat, and that's 364 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: when the captain decides to cut the line basically stream. 365 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: And that's what's going to be a huge part of 366 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: this investigation, and I'm sure investigators have Well we'll ask 367 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,199 Speaker 1: that captain is well, why did you feel the right 368 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: cause of action was to cut this line? Well, Tim O'Hara, 369 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: joining from me from the Key West Citizen, you're absolutely correct. 370 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: That is exactly what happened. Take a listen to our 371 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 1: cut eight. This is Kelly boorda Fish and Wildlife releasing 372 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: this new report revealing the tow rope did not snap, 373 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: but rather the captain cut the line tethering the three 374 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: victims after a gust of wind pegged the ParaSail, meaning 375 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: the shoot turned into a sail and could have potentially 376 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 1: dragged the boat. It says. The woman and two kids 377 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: were then dropped and dragged through the water by the 378 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 1: inflated ParaSail, through and across the surface of the water 379 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: before colliding with the bridge. Video shows Callan's white center 380 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: console arriving on scene as he and passengers performed CPR 381 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: before racing everyone to the docks at the nearby Sunset grill. 382 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: The kid was he wasn't like screaming on the top 383 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 1: of his lung, but he was letting me know, help me, 384 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 1: help me. And we got him in the boat, you know, immediately, 385 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: and then we got the other kid that was unconscious, 386 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 1: and then we got his mom in the boat. One 387 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 1: of the boys, just seven years old, was airlifted to 388 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: Nicholas Children's Hospital Monday. The thirty three year old woman, 389 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 1: identified as Soup Project Alaparthi died from her injuries. Straight 390 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: out to our expert joining us and we're so happier 391 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 1: with us, Smart McCullough, the parasl Safety Count Soul chairman. 392 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 1: What is pegged? Yeah, pegg is a term that's loosely 393 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: loosely used term. It's a slang for maxed out, meaning 394 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: more specifically the paracel that it's maximum toe angle due 395 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: to extreme wins. I mean at that point the parasls 396 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: violently swinging the back and forth like a pendulum, and 397 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,959 Speaker 1: of course the parasllers are attached there. They're help us 398 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 1: to stop it from oscillating back and forth. And it's 399 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 1: actually one of the most horrifying scenes I've ever witnessed. 400 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: What do you mean by that? When did you witness 401 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: this happen? Well, because I've been in the business since 402 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 1: the seventies and I've I've seen just about every scenario 403 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: of accident and uh, this has become an expert to this, 404 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 1: Uh for these type of incidences of we're you know, 405 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: we're or a captain ends up getting caught into the 406 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: wind and the line separation or in this case cut 407 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: which I've never heard of before. Um, but we don't 408 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: know yet all the details. But that word peg is 409 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 1: it's rarely used, but that's what they mean by it. 410 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 1: In this case, Did the boat captain send out any 411 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 1: distress signal using his VHF radio. Yeah, that's one of 412 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 1: the that's one of the I you know, that's one 413 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: of the several questions I had you know that the 414 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: Channel sixteen is the mariners. Uh, you know they could 415 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 1: call may day and that sort of that sort of 416 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 1: takes presidents over. It's a designated the stress frequency that 417 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: broadcasts at the coast Guard and other boaters and takes 418 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 1: priority over the channels. So the big question is why 419 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: did he know? Did he reach out? That doesn't sound 420 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: like it, but we'll find out. Did he joining us 421 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: Tim O'Hara from the QS Citizen, Did he call the 422 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 1: stress on his radio or did he have a radio? 423 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: And did he have a chase boat? I mean, I've 424 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: heard of chase boats where you're the operation has a backup, 425 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 1: and when I was still diving a lot all over 426 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 1: the world, typically there is a backup in case or 427 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: some type of an accident. Did this guy have a 428 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 1: chase boat or did he use his VHF radio? Well, 429 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: it was a single boat out there at the time, 430 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: so there was no chase but which I will say 431 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 1: it's not uncommon for that industry, you know, to have 432 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: just a single pair sail boat operating out There's there's 433 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: nothing in the reports where interviews that's and so far 434 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: to say yes that he did call Channel sixteen on 435 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 1: his marine radio. But you know he could have been 436 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: in the throes of just trying to deal with this why, 437 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 1: you know, cutting the line, steering the boat, doing all 438 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: of these things, watching these people out there. So he 439 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: may not have had time because you know, we act 440 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: like this went on for half far. This could have 441 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: been all of this could have happened within what five 442 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: ten minutes, very quickly, you know, given the wind speak, 443 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: given how far they were getting carried across the water. 444 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: So it wasn't like this was you know, even longer 445 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 1: than the segment we're doing right now. All of this 446 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 1: could have happened in moments. Well, I know that you 447 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 1: said it's common that it is done, that there's not 448 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: a chase boat, but just because it is done doesn't 449 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 1: mean it should be done. And I'm just trying to 450 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: figure out. I mean, I've taken a lot of looks 451 00:27:55,800 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 1: at this bridge. It's an abandoned bridge, and I would 452 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: think that you would try to stay away from big 453 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: cement bridges when you go paraslling. Well maybe that's the 454 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: wilm of our seat legislature this time, to say, maybe 455 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: we need to push these boats further out where you're 456 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: I don't know any ten miles. I wouldn't hold my 457 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: breath waiting on a state legislature to do anything. But 458 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: to me, it just makes common sense. I mean, Mark 459 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: la Cola, why are we going to wait on the 460 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: Florida state legislature to tell a boat operator what is 461 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: safe and not safe? Because you'll be waiting until you're 462 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: blue in the face. L will freeze over before you 463 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: get a legislature to do anything. Half of them, we're 464 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: probably making money off paraceling, so that is not going 465 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: to happen anytime soon. So Mark, why would we Isn't 466 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: it just common sense that you don't paracel near a 467 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: big cement abandoned bridge. Yeah, let's start back with the 468 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: legislature because I was the one that originally push the 469 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,959 Speaker 1: legislation to do regulations, but I had it where it 470 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: was so strict. I actually had a distance based on 471 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: the height of the toe, and they just ignored it 472 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: because the parasl operators sort of started lobbying against what 473 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: I had tried to push his very strict regulations. And yeah, 474 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: you're right, it was you're not gonna They're not going 475 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: to do anything. There's too much responsibility. I mean, I 476 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: only say that because I was a lobbyist briefly for 477 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: the district attorney at the Georgia State Assembly. I did 478 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 1: that I think two sessions, and I begged, I said, 479 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: please let me try murders and get me out of politics. 480 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,479 Speaker 1: And it was anti crime issues, but you know they 481 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: didn't want to hear about any of that. Let me 482 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: go to our guest joining us, doctor Tim Gallagher, who's 483 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: been waiting patiently. Gallagher is the medical examiner for the 484 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: entire state of Florida, and you can find them at 485 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: pathcaremd dot com. Doctor Gallagher, what were the injuries that 486 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: this young mom suffered that led to her death? Well, 487 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: and before you get to at that point, you know, 488 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: when we do a death where someone's recovered from the water, 489 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: you know, the medical examiner has to answer two questions, 490 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: and in this case it is a little obvious, but 491 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: those questions generally are how did the person get into 492 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: the water and why couldn't they get out of the water. 493 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: The autopsy report has not been issued yet, but I 494 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: would imagine that our wonderful chief medical Examiner down there, 495 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: doctor Michael Steckbauer, is doing his usual A plus job 496 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: and will determine what the injuries were, most likely blunt 497 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: impact injuries, but we cannot rule out that the woman 498 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: died from drowning. And then we also have to add in, 499 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: and you may not like it, but is it a 500 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: natural cause when you have a medical event, you know, 501 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: before the impact in the water and before she drowned, 502 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: Doctor Gallager, could you just stop right there? You think 503 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: your medical degree? He's going to stop me from grilling you. 504 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: Probably not, Nancy, knowing you a piece of bacon about 505 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: what you just said. What did you actually just say 506 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: with a straight face, that maybe this young, healthy, thirty 507 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: three year old mother had a medical event that occurred 508 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: before she slammed into a cement bridge parasailing, and it 509 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: could be natural cause of death. Possibility is very lowle 510 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: We have to eliminate it. And you know I used 511 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: to like you. Well, we've had cases like this in 512 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: the past where somebody has suffered an asthmatic attack, you know, 513 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: before they impacted the water. How many how many cases 514 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: have you had where a mom, a young, healthy, thirty 515 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: three year old mother is para selling, it has an 516 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: asthma attack and dies midair strapped to a parasel How 517 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: many times does that happen to you, then it has 518 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: never happened. But it's not to say it never will. 519 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: Oh dear Lord in Heaven, Then why did you bring 520 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: it up? I just wanted to let your viewers know 521 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: that we look at every aspect of the death. Well, 522 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: you just said we didn't he just say we ad 523 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: an asthma attack? Didn't he just say that? But yet 524 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: when I greell you on it, you can't think of 525 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: the asthma attack parasailing. She ran into the bridge. She 526 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: slammed into a cement bridge. She's dead. She either died 527 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: from the force injuries. And I'm just a jd. I 528 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: don't even know what I'm saying, but I know she 529 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: either died from blunt force trauma right there with her 530 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: her son and her nephew watching, or she got hit 531 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: and went into the water and that sail, that tether 532 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: dragged her through the water and it drowned her. It's 533 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: one of those two things. Well, absolutely, that's your impression, 534 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: but we have to look at it from the scientific point, 535 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: you know, and we have to also include natural disease 536 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: in with our She fell down the steps, well, I 537 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: mean it's a it's a low possibility, but we do 538 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: have to include it. And that's just how, that's how's 539 00:32:53,960 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: how the science is. Time Stories with Nancy Grace tim 540 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: O'Hara with Key West Citizen. She was dragged through and 541 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: across the surface of the water by the inflated ParaSail 542 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: until they collided with the L seven mile bridge, right correct. Okay, 543 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: So Mark McCollough, let me understand something. Why would he 544 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: cut the cord? How would that possibly help anything? Well, 545 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: we don't know the circumstances, but that's not something I've 546 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: ever trained anybody, and I'm not even sure any other 547 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: operators ever trained someone to cut a toe line, because 548 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: you totally give up control of the line. Yeah, when 549 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: you cut the line, you lose control, and that's it. 550 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 1: I mean, these boats are very strong, the line's very strong. Heck, 551 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: to blow a hole in that parachute would take about 552 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: an eighty miles one hundred our wind. So you've got 553 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: a lot of things at the captain has a lot 554 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: of things that they're at their resources. The fact that 555 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 1: these newer vessels are much bigger, stronger, heavier, and you 556 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 1: know the fact that you'd cut a toe line. I 557 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,839 Speaker 1: don't care if you're being dragged backwards, or you know, 558 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: panicking because maybe there's water on coming in over the 559 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 1: back end of the boat. There's just no circumstances in 560 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: which someone would cut a line that I know of. Well, 561 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: he did it. And when you cut the line, what 562 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,919 Speaker 1: happens then, Mark McCollough, once you cut that line, well, 563 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: then now you've got no control. Now the wind takes over. 564 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 1: And as what happened is that they probably glided for 565 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 1: quite a ways before they hit the water, And we 566 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 1: don't know how long they were in the water being 567 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 1: dragged backwards. But I can tell you in past cases 568 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: that I've investigated where we've had water landings, nine times 569 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: out of ten, the person drowns because that water just 570 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 1: covers you and you can hardly breathe it. Like I said, 571 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: it's like being waterboarded. You can't breathe in. And as 572 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: a doctor, the doctor said, is that ye know she 573 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 1: could have had a condition where you know that maybe 574 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 1: she couldn't catch her wind or catch her or she 575 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 1: was scared, panic whatever you mean, drowned. Yeah, I don't 576 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 1: know that. I would blame her and her fake asthma. 577 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,359 Speaker 1: You guys have cooked up as to wife. I mean, 578 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: think of somebody skiing face down being pulled through the 579 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: water behind a speedboat. There's no way you can breathe 580 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 1: the water at that velocity being pumped right into your face. 581 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:38,280 Speaker 1: And here's the kicker. Not the first time this has happened, 582 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, right there in Florida. Take 583 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: a listen to our cut thirteen our friend Rob Nelson 584 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 1: at ABC. It's the terrifying moment caught on camera. Watch 585 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: as a ParaSail containing two riders breaks loose from the 586 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: boat leading and slams into two nearby condominiums in Panama Beach, Florida, 587 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,320 Speaker 1: all before crashing into a parking lot full of cars. 588 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: We are at the commodore smashed into the top of 589 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: it this morning. Two seventeen year old Indiana girls, Alexis 590 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 1: Fernschild and Sydney Good, remain in critical condition at an 591 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 1: area hospital. Initial reports from investigators say that on Monday, 592 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,319 Speaker 1: an afternoon storm developed with strong winds, and that these 593 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,320 Speaker 1: winds kept the shoot aloft and several attempts to winch 594 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,879 Speaker 1: the riders back onto the vessel failed. The company who 595 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 1: ran the outing, Aquatic Adventures, is declining to comment. The 596 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: very popular vacation sport is an industry with very little regulation. 597 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: Just this may far to Legislators failed to pass a 598 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: bill that would have put new safety standards in place. 599 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: One of the biggest opponents aquatic adventures. The owner of 600 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,800 Speaker 1: the boat involved in this incident that hasn't also happened 601 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 1: in Florida with two teen girls. I've got so many 602 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:57,360 Speaker 1: similar transactions here where the same thing happens. Paracel becomes unhooked, 603 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: flies untethered for forty five minutes, it goes on and 604 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: on and on. Fifteen year old Ambermy White dies when 605 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 1: when Gus snaps the line paras sailing with sister. I mean, 606 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: there's so many of these incidents, but what it boils 607 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 1: down to you right now here, Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned 608 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: psychiatrists out of Atlanta, what happens when a child this 609 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:28,720 Speaker 1: young nine loses their mother? Nancy? There is a there's 610 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 1: a wonderful study that was published in twenty and eighteen 611 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,759 Speaker 1: from the American Journal of Psychiatry. There was a longitudinal 612 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,280 Speaker 1: study that looked at children who had lost their parents 613 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: or a mother from all different kinds of death, suicide, trauma, 614 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 1: natural causes. During the first two years after a child 615 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 1: loses a parent, they are at a very high risk 616 00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: of suffering from depression. So it's important for whoever the 617 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 1: surviving parent is to be looking out for this and 618 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 1: treat it because actually, what they also found in this 619 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 1: study is that this affects the child socially and mentally 620 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 1: for years into their life. But the first thing they 621 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 1: have to look for, the first thing they need to 622 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 1: be looking for in these children who have lost a 623 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,360 Speaker 1: parent are signs and symptoms of depression in that first 624 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: two years, and they need to jump on it and 625 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:35,320 Speaker 1: treat it and not wish it away. Robert Crispin joining 626 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: me Crispin Special Investigations also joining us from Florida along 627 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 1: with Michael Winkleman, maritime lawyer in Florida. You know, Crispin, 628 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 1: I think when people go on vacation, and I'm sure 629 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 1: you see this a lot in Florida, your defenses are lowered. 630 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 1: You don't think you're gonna have a crash when you 631 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,880 Speaker 1: rent that moped or that bird, or that parasailing adventure 632 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:04,239 Speaker 1: or scuba or whatever is you're doing. You don't there's 633 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 1: so many incidents like that happening at vacation spots. I don't. 634 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,279 Speaker 1: It's you know. I was just down in Florida and 635 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 1: we went to Gatorland or Gator World and they had 636 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 1: a zip line over the gators. My son had a 637 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,359 Speaker 1: fit to zip line over the pond of gators. I'm like, son, 638 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,400 Speaker 1: have you lost your mind? You're not zip lining over alligators. 639 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: That's not happening. When you move out at age thirty 640 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: five from home, you can then go do whatever you want, 641 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,880 Speaker 1: including zip lining over gators. But you're not zip lining 642 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,319 Speaker 1: over gators on my watch. Oh the sulk, as my 643 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,239 Speaker 1: mom used to say, you could to plant a row 644 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: of turnips on his bottom whip who was sticking it 645 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: out so far? So what I'm saying is these people 646 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 1: probably had no idea how dangerous this really was. Listen, Nancy, 647 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: this all comes down to one person, and then every 648 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 1: single one of these events that we have spoken about 649 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 1: comes back to one person, the captain. The captain was 650 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,359 Speaker 1: ultimately responsible for who's on his vessel or who is 651 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 1: associated with his vessel, whether you're parasailing, you're diving, whatever 652 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,440 Speaker 1: you're doing. That captain is one responsibles in each of 653 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:11,319 Speaker 1: these situations. That captain made a poor decision absolutely made 654 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,799 Speaker 1: a poor decision. Those boats never should have been out 655 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,400 Speaker 1: in that wind. Those kids that got detached from their tethers. 656 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,760 Speaker 1: On the other situations we talked about, that's an equipment failure. 657 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:25,040 Speaker 1: I guarantee you in those investigations, you're going to find 658 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,400 Speaker 1: faulty equipment. I guarantee you in this particular situation, and 659 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:33,360 Speaker 1: I vote in South Florida every weekend. It's an epic 660 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:38,360 Speaker 1: failure on the captain's part, and who he or his 661 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:43,240 Speaker 1: observer instructed to cut that line was the ultimate demise 662 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,799 Speaker 1: of those three people. I agree, you're disagree, Michael Winkleman. Oh, 663 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,920 Speaker 1: I completely agree with everything you said, in particular Nanthew 664 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 1: that I think when people go on these vacations they 665 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,719 Speaker 1: do let their guard down. Then you have these inherently 666 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,759 Speaker 1: dangerous activities that are putting families the risk, and not 667 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 1: enough and done to make them. I think, even before 668 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 1: you get the captain operation and blaming them, it is 669 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,279 Speaker 1: an issue of regulation, and I think regulation has become 670 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 1: such a political hot button issue. But here let's both 671 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,239 Speaker 1: like take a little boonful of common sense. We want 672 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 1: to regulate parashl operators so that they can do this safely. 673 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,800 Speaker 1: So that we're not on this show talking about terrible 674 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 1: tragedies like this. This is where a common sense regulation 675 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,279 Speaker 1: needs to come into play. Nancy. The beauty of all 676 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,920 Speaker 1: this is the captain always has the right to say no, 677 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 1: we're not going, just like your pilot in bad weather 678 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:32,840 Speaker 1: when you sit on the runway and everyone on that 679 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 1: plane is upset that that thing's not taken off. You 680 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 1: know why because that guy in the left seat, that captain, 681 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,040 Speaker 1: he said no, it's no and a lot of these 682 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,279 Speaker 1: should have been unknown Andrew you tim O here joining 683 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 1: us from the Key West Citizen. Where does it stand 684 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,799 Speaker 1: right now? Well, this isn't the first time we've had this. 685 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 1: Two years ago we had two other people die when 686 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,200 Speaker 1: the line broke. It was no one cut it, but 687 00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,480 Speaker 1: it broke in a parachel boat. The captain of that 688 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,759 Speaker 1: boat has been charged with two counts of manslaughter. So 689 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 1: I think we first need to see where that case 690 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 1: is going, because no even arrest has been made in 691 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,280 Speaker 1: this case with the mother and the two small children. 692 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,920 Speaker 1: We do have a case from two years ago. Charges 693 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:17,440 Speaker 1: were filed about a year ago. Not much activity, you 694 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,360 Speaker 1: know with COVID, a lot of that stuff shut down, 695 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,360 Speaker 1: But that case will be coming to trial or a 696 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 1: plea deal, I would think fairly soon, so we'll get 697 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,880 Speaker 1: a sense of how this plays out of the the courtroom, 698 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 1: you know, and because in that case it you know, 699 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,960 Speaker 1: the bad the way why he was arrested in charge, 700 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,319 Speaker 1: they said, other captains that day chose not to fly. 701 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,640 Speaker 1: He chose to go out further and the storm caught 702 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:46,320 Speaker 1: up with him and the line breaking and two people drowned. 703 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,760 Speaker 1: So we'll know, you know, I would think before this case, 704 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,200 Speaker 1: you know, there is a precedent here, and we have 705 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,799 Speaker 1: a very um I will say, you know, a bit 706 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,719 Speaker 1: of a bulldog prosecutor in our state at turning down here, 707 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,920 Speaker 1: sort of the Nancy Grace of the Florida Keys, I'll say, 708 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,600 Speaker 1: And he's taken this caseboard, he is very seriously. I've 709 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,040 Speaker 1: spoken to him a some time since. I take it. 710 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,680 Speaker 1: Then I'm the dog in this scenario. Why I would 711 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,759 Speaker 1: think you're the bulldog in this scenario, the way you 712 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,280 Speaker 1: will take it, and the light most favorable to you. 713 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:23,080 Speaker 1: We wait as justice and false Nancy Grace Crimes toy 714 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:24,719 Speaker 1: signing off, good bye friend,