WEBVTT - Interesting Hat Part 2 (S1, E3 “Kill Me Now”) 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:18.440 I am all in. I am all in with Scott 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:22.280 Patterson and I heart Radio podcast. A right everybody, Scott Patterson, 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:27.200 I am all in podcast. Welcome back. UM, let's get 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:30.920 right into Kill Me Now. This is episode three, Kill 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:34.840 Me Now. Every date, October nineteenth, two thousand, Rory goes 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:38.000 golfing with her grandfather and surprisingly has a good time 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:41.320 at Lora lies in a wedding? Is stressing everyone out? 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:48.080 My initial thoughts, I mean, Emily Gilmore, Wow, what a 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:53.160 puppet master? Right? I agree, this brilliant woman. You really 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:59.680 learn that she is controlling things because Richard was surprisingly 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:03.080 hesit tend to play golf, Yes he was, and she 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:05.119 was like, you will do this and you will make 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:08.200 it great and make sure she has dessert. He wanted exactly. 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:12.199 He wanted lunch, lunch. He wanted no part of lunch. 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:15.520 He wanted no part of it at all. And man, 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:18.600 I don't think that was like why did he initially 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:23.399 not want to hang out with his granddaughter. I don't know. 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:25.880 I just think he probably knew that it was going 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:28.960 to cause a lot of stress with Laurela and it 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:31.640 would get back to her and then she would, you know, 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:34.760 talk to Richard about it, and he just wanted to 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:37.039 do He just wanted to go play golf with his buddies, 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:40.240 you know, and and cackle and have a beer and 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:42.279 have a cocktail and have a nice lunch and shoot 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:44.720 the breeze. And you know, he didn't want to do that. 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:46.760 He's not used to it. He's not he's not in 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:49.560 the flow of the family thing. I mean, he's so 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:52.840 he's so settled into his you know, it's just me 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:55.320 and Emily, and they've ignored us for all these years, 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:58.480 and so those feelings get very hardened right over time. 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:00.200 So now he's got to open up all of a 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:04.000 sudden and like share his sacred free time away from Emily, 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:07.320 you know, with with the grand door. And it's like, 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:09.560 oh god, it's like for him, it's opening up a 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:12.040 can of worms. That's a great point. He had to 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:16.760 do something uncomfortable. And also, like the golf club that 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:19.520 he was a part of was very hoity toity, like 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:23.160 you can tell, and bringing in your you know, your 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:26.440 granddaughter who has never played golf before. You saw in 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:29.000 those first couple of takes at the golf course where 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:31.400 she's just hitting the ground and the grass is flying 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:34.720 up and he was mortified. There's nothing worse, by the way, 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:37.040 and I have been a member of a hoity toity 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:40.400 golf club, country club, and there's nothing worse than playing 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:43.200 with somebody who can't play. Not saying I'm an a 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:46.600 player at all, but when you have somebody like taking 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:48.880 up the turf like that, You're like, oh, this is 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:53.880 gonna be a long, slow day, slow day. Um. This 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:59.560 episode is so important because because of that golf, Rory 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:05.760 and Stared fully bond and that becomes essential to the 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:09.320 rest of the series, right, because this is where he 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:14.200 realizes she's smart. They have so much in common, and 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:18.400 she is very drawn to him, and they become so connected, 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:22.680 which causes all kinds of problems with Laura lit Right. 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:25.760 So it's about control, right, It's it's about who's going 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:28.959 to control the video here. It's gonna be Emily, is 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:30.639 gonna be Laura, And you know, it's like, you gotta 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:34.240 do what's best for your kid. And that came you 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:37.280 know that Laura I came around to that she realized 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:39.760 this was going to be ultimately beneficial for her and 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:41.280 that she was going to have to suffer through this 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:44.560 and just swallow her ego you know, and let Emily win. 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:47.960 What was a great line. Um how when they're fighting 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:53.640 about their boots with the irrational anger, you might have 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:58.040 to think you just did what I mean, you can 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:02.640 carry it. It's like may you you may use but 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:07.680 I know I can't. I never would. Um. Yeah, that 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:12.360 was major that they had that big old yes yes. 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:17.160 And it's it's the fear of losing your daughter. It's 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:21.080 the fear of losing you know, that closeness. I mean, 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:25.120 there's there might be a bit of an unhealthy aspect 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:27.840 to that mother daughter relationship. I mean, if we really 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:31.359 want to psychoanalyze it, it's like if you're that close, 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:34.840 I mean, is it is it choking? Is it choking? 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:38.720 Alexis is it? Is it? Is it too much? Right? 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:41.240 And who's the mom and who's the daughter? Because a 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:47.240 lot of times Rory has the clear head and right right. 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:50.240 So ultimately she was well raised. But is it too 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:54.200 much of a you know, too much of a cage 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:58.200 she's put her in into. Is it too much friends? 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:02.200 Mother daughter? You all to realize that Emily, we started 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:05.200 to talk about this is totally in control. One. She 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:07.680 says to Richard, you will go, you will do this. 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:11.200 And remember when she when Laura Lai goes into the 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:14.320 like whatever that side room is on the Friday night 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:18.560 dinner and Emily convinces Laura la that the gulf is 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:22.800 the right thing. And it worked. So Emily, really, like 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:28.559 you said, is the puppet master. She's got everybody either 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:31.000 doing what she wants, are doing the right thing unclear 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:36.680 which it is? Um, yeah, and it ultimately, and both 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:41.360 women are displaying an extraordinary level of selfishness. But like, 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:46.400 who's got Rory's best interest at heart ultimately? And I 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:50.200 think it's Emily, And I think she wins that round. 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:52.599 I mean, let's give it to her because that is 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:56.360 the best thing for her. And all families go through this, 0:05:56.680 --> 0:06:01.560 especially when there's grandkids, right, and there's maybe some some 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:04.919 tension between the husband or the wife and and and 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:08.359 one parent and there's bitterness and resentment going back and 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:10.960 it hasn't been resolved and it gets on the kid 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:13.960 and the grandkid and oh my god, it's just a 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:17.960 circle jerk at that point. Everybody. Everybody goes through this. 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:20.279 This is every family, which is why the show is 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:26.520 so appealing. This is universally experienced through all families and Uh, 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:29.800 it's just you know, the way the way they do 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:33.200 it on Gilmore Girls is especially satisfying because it is 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:37.520 so clearly mapped out. It's so you know, you can 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:41.320 really feel the beats. You can not so much you 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:44.600 can anticipate it. But man, it is so rife with humor. 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:48.039 What was the line that uh Laurel I had that 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:50.680 was so funny in the kitchen? She says, uh, yeah, 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:53.160 what are you, Bob Barker? It's like, it's what are 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:56.280 you trying to win? Like? What's going on? Emily says, 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:59.000 if Roy goes and has a great time with you, 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:05.760 then I win. Okay, Burger. So let's quickly before we 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:08.760 move on from this scene. This is where the mistake happens. 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:13.320 They talk about Laura Lai the first and you could 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:17.160 interpret that she has passed away. They say was like 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:21.440 three times. But we know those of us that have 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:25.920 seen it or we're there that Mrs cunney Ham later 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:31.560 plays Grandma, great grandma, whatever you wanna call it, Loreli 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:35.920 the first Mary and Ross, who to many people is 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:40.400 known as Mrs cunney Ham. So I don't know. Here's 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:43.240 the question for you. Is it a mistake or do 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:46.679 they later change their mind when they're writing and they realize, oh, hey, 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:48.880 you know what, we should have Mary and Ross come 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:51.960 in and play Richard's mother and we've got this whole 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:53.520 storyline with her, and do they sort of just like 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:57.680 hold people forgot what happened in episode. I think that 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:02.040 it's like it's it's you know, what are we gonna 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:03.760 what are we going to get out of this? We're 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:06.040 gonna get so much more out of Amary and Ross 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:09.160 coming on than you know, some fans being a little 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:11.960 irked at right a couple of Reddit threads where people 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:15.040 are like the right because there's so much It just 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:18.040 deepens the show and gives it so much more dimension. 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:19.880 I mean, it's like the Kirk thing, right, It's like 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:22.280 he didn't have a name. It's like Amy trying to 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:24.400 figure out where he fits in and how he fits in, 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:27.120 you know, and and uh, you know Laura La referring 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:29.400 to him as that go help that guy over there, 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:32.280 not Mick, not Nut Kirk, just that guy over there. 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:36.520 So yeah, I think in the beginning, you you get, 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:38.920 you get forgiven, You get forgiven a little bit at 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:42.720 the beginning because they obviously felt and we all felt 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:44.520 it was going to be a long run anyway, so 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:47.600 it's like, what the hell, just go for it. You know. 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:50.160 What else do you realize in this episode is how 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:53.920 good Laura Lae is at her job with that wedding 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:57.520 with the twins on the Twins and they. I think 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:01.480 that I would assume that's intentional because you really realized, Man, 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:04.760 she's a pro at this, even the super salad. Let's 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:08.719 have both, Like she's putting out fires, you know, and 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:12.160 solving all those problems. What's your take on that? I 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:15.960 think I think that's where her breeding. Okay, that's where 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:19.240 her d n A kicks in, because that's where she's 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:21.720 more familiar because that's what she's used to and that's 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:24.160 what she grew up with. The country club. She knows 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:29.600 what great services she because she's she's demanded it, and 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:32.360 she's seen Richard and Emily demanded when she was a child. 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:35.599 Can you imagine somebody coming like Richard asking for a 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:38.920 drink at the country club, give me a Scotch on ice, 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:42.800 and the kid brings it without the ice, and Richard going, 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:44.959 excuse me, you know what I mean? And then the 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:47.240 kid brings him a glass of ice, and then Richard says, 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:50.520 excuse me, So it's breeding. So she's not in her 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:53.640 comfort zone raising a child. She's figuring it out. But 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:57.720 with the the end, no, that comes naturally. There's also 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:00.400 the scene when they were at the dinner table and 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:03.600 there's this awkward exchange with the maid that was taking 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:07.320 care of them, and she said, oh, it's my new cook, Mira, 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:10.559 who turns out to really be Sarah, but Emily misheard 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.320 the name. And it just becomes established that Emily goes 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:17.120 through many cooks and maids often. So that kind of 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:19.400 was like a big red flag for me. I was like, oh, 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:25.400 there's something there. Yeah, well yeah, that's they demand snap 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:27.600 a finger kind of service and don't screw it up 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:30.240 or you're gone and you can't know it. And unless 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:32.960 you've grown up that way. Because when the mother of 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:35.560 the twins is like worried about this, worried about this, 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:37.480 worried about this, and lower Lae just has it solved, 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:40.480 Has it solved? Has it solved? You're like, Wow, she 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:45.600 runs this in like a box. She's a classy, educate, 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:50.319 well somewhat educated, very very intelligent, well bred person who 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:56.240 has made some choices that run counter to her upbringing, right, 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:59.080 and that's the show. Another perspective I think is it's 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:01.920 the one thing more like can control. Like she can't 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:05.640 control Rory, she can't control Emily, So all these things 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:08.080 at the end is something that she can control, and 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:10.960 that's why she's so good at it. Yeah, yeah, and 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:14.280 what a great who's the actress that played that? Was it? 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:19.440 Mrs Scales? Megan Faye, the mom of the twins. Yes, 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:25.040 she was brilliant and uh a perfect counter lare and 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:28.440 and sending up and being so on it where I 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:31.800 will send you somebody up for a massage. It looks 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:38.200 amazingly similar to Antonio bandair. So, I mean every week, 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:43.400 how dense these episodes are. There isn't thirty seconds wasted 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:46.360 on this show. All right, let's take a quick break, gang. 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:58.320 When we come back, we'll talk about the club. Okay, 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:02.439 we're back. We're talking about the country club. The very tony, 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:09.880 very expensive monthly fees and huge initiation feed, the hundreds 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:13.200 of thousands of dollars. So I kept going through my 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:15.920 mind was how rich are the Gilmore You know, I 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:21.200 think his stock options are probably I mean back then, 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:24.200 I mean a hundred million, fifty million I've had some 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:26.480 you know, I've friends that are CEOs and x CEO 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:30.640 is a big, big corporations, and uh, and they're doing 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:32.640 a couple million a year in salary. It's not it's 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:35.520 not really the salary, right. The salary is good, right, 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:37.360 and maybe up to five million a year in salary, 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:40.480 but it's the stock options well. And Richard, I don't think, 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:42.880 grew up struggling. It seems like there was family money 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:47.240 and family money on families, right, exactly, exactly. So okay, 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:49.200 so the club. What did you think of the scenes 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:53.920 at the club? Specifically, I'm obsessed with the steam room. 0:12:54.440 --> 0:13:00.360 The most odious woman in the world, not just at 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:04.160 the club. I mean, that's the funniest part of it 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:07.160 because when she rolled up and I thought, I thought, oh, 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:10.280 here's something. That's why Richard didn't want to go. Maybe 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:12.720 there's something going on here, you know, maybe he didn't 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:15.560 want to be disturbed or found out that he was 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:19.360 maybe having somewhat of an emotional affair with somebody else, 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:23.280 you know, because but no, of course, you can't do 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:26.280 that to that character. You lose respect for him. So 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:30.560 he I liked that Richard bonded with Rory over the 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:34.840 you know, her travels to Fez and books, but also 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:38.000 her sort of gossipy stories about what was going on. 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:40.840 He really was on her level, and I think all 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:43.839 of a sudden you realize these two are besties now. 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:48.680 And what he probably doesn't realize and doesn't want to 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:51.320 admit because he's still angry, is at Laurel I probably 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:55.520 did a heck of a job raising her. Good job. 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:58.920 She knows, she's aware of she's literate, she's reading the 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:02.640 right books. You know, she's saying the right thing. She's 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:06.640 a very proper young lady and very respectful. She can't 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:09.760 play who cares. But that's you know, he's going to 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:11.880 have to admit to himself at some point he can 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:14.600 play against that. And that's that's gold for actors. Is 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:18.320 that maybe Laurel E isn't such a screw up. I mean, 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:20.880 if you can raise a daughter that's that spectacular, you 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:25.240 did something right, you know that just doesn't happen. Yeah, 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:28.680 that's a great, great point. So, yeah, what is your 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:33.320 take seeing that relationship between Richard and Rory, Like, how 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:39.120 important is what we're seeing developed? Well? Well, I think 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:42.920 it's important for both of them. I think it's uh. 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:47.000 It enriches Rory's life. It gives her a father figure, 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:49.720 I mean somewhat of a five father figure that isn't 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:53.280 Luke um and it's a it's a it's a man 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:57.240 that is her blood, that she can trust, who has 0:14:57.320 --> 0:15:00.720 her best interested hearts, and that could re really you know, 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:04.120 affect some very positive change within her, which I think 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:08.640 we see immediately in the in the conflict with Laurel 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:12.280 I that fight when he calls her right away at 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:15.960 the end, right, which is a hilarious line. Yes, I 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:18.840 don't know how many people call you dad when Laurela answers, 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:21.120 but right he called he never called the inn and 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.920 calls Rory. It's like, why would anybody admit that that 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:28.760 they're your father? And then at the very end, you 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:31.240 see the three of them go into the library to 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:33.440 look at the books and Laurela is left in the 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:36.840 I don't know what room that is the living room 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:40.560 or the sitting room room. Yeah, that's yeah, that's the 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:42.920 main living room. Yeah. We we we shot a lot, 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:46.120 We shot a good amount in the revival in that 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:50.400 living room. It's it's a very large area. Um. Yeah, 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:54.520 and I think you know and the cooler Alexis was, 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:59.800 the cooler Rory was. And that fight scene, the boob scene, Um, 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:03.520 the the angrier she got Laurel I got, and and 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:06.840 and it's and it also shows that on a certain 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:09.600 level that Rory is far more mature than her mother. 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:13.320 So there in lies that dynamic in that conflict too, 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:15.600 because I mean she just was very cool about it, 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:17.960 a very matter of fact about it. And she wasn't 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:22.960 and there's nothing diabolical about it. She wasn't even thinking 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:29.120 about how it affected Laurel I personally, right, how she 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:34.120 must be feeling, because who thinks that way? Right? Who 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:37.640 on Earth thinks that way? So it's that dysfunction that 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:41.600 fractured relationship with their parents. That is, that is, you know, 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:44.520 providing all of the fuel for this, and and and 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:48.040 and the Paladinos really cashed in on that. I mean 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:50.480 that is just like the nuclear fuel of the show. 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:59.080 Was anyone else surprised that Rory was late date attempt 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:03.800 at sabotage? They gave Richard some funny lines like when 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:07.199 he said it was cooler at eight, But I was 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:11.400 surprised that she was late. Um, yeah, I mean it's typical, right, 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:14.040 It's like I didn't set the alarm and sorry, and 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:16.760 maybe you just can't go. You'll miss it and he'll 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:19.440 leave and because he's not gonna miss his tea time, right, 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:21.639 you don't miss your tea time in places like that, 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:23.080 you don't make people work. It was just about to 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:25.440 say that you can't miss your tea time if you're late. 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:28.359 You don't got it. Yeah, you you forfeit it. And 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:31.399 uh so, yeah, that was an attempt at sabotage that 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:36.399 wasn't scripted, but it's implied. Oh yeah, oh yeah, Well 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:39.040 should we dig into Jackson and Suki for a session? 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:44.640 Daniel has some thoughts. I just I thought that that 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:48.920 debacle was probably like my favorite part of the episode. 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:52.040 Like I love seeing Suki and Jackson fight fight over 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:54.479 the strawberries and the blueberries, and at the very end 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:57.400 Suki got her way with the strawberries. I just loved 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:00.879 all of it. I thought it was fantastic, uh to 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:03.520 to to to put an exclamation point on that and 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:07.520 to have um a Suki go after him down the street. 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:13.280 I mean, that is wacky, stars, hollow, harmless, a little 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:18.520 hamlet at its finest. That is that is as dangerous 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:21.480 as it gets there. I mean, that's that That just 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:25.800 defines what Stars Hollow is. It was a perfect love 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:30.679 that because of the strawberry debacle, it teas up the 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:34.960 fact that it's blueberry shortcake that then Rory and Laura 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:37.840 li I bring over to Emily and she says, you 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:43.520 brought me used blueberry and then Lauraa goes, no, it's 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:51.720 left over dessert. As if there's a difference, like that 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:55.400 is the genius that if there wasn't that, we wouldn't 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:58.879 have the bit at the end that makes you laugh. 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:03.200 That was intention and all that was intentional. That was like, 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:06.879 I'm sure that was not her lack of breeding. It 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:11.000 was like, deal with it. I don't like you right 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:17.919 here you go. It's just so funny that that may 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:20.040 be one of the funniest moments of the entire thing 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:25.080 that that entire episode that was that was fantastic. Um um, 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:28.760 what else can we get into? Well, okay, so the 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:32.120 twins on Twins, this is the crazy thing. So we've 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:35.680 learned in television there's like an A plot line, there's 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:38.080 like a B plot line and a C plot line. 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:41.560 So would like the A would be the golf and 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:46.720 the father the grandfather, tranddaughter. Then the B is the 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:50.639 twins on twins and you've got this ridiculous wedding and 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:53.399 the whole thing. And then the C would be maybe 0:19:53.440 --> 0:20:00.000 the strawberry controversy. But the thing that's so amazing about 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:05.520 this show they're all tied together. Um well, when you 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:08.040 have that many characters, you pretty much have to create 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:11.040 multiple storylines or else you know, what are you gonna 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:13.440 do with them? And you've got so many of these 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:16.480 great actors and the great characters that were created for 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:21.199 this reason. Um you know, not to utilize them as 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:26.240 a crime, but uh yeah, when they're that distinct, when 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:29.000 when the voices are that distinct, it's kind of easy 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:31.439 to develop storylines if you just think in terms of 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:34.040 stars Hallow, like, how can we make a wacky, funny 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:36.600 thing And imagine how much fun Amy and Dan had 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:40.200 creating the blueberry versus strawberry thing and then they're chasing 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:41.679 down the street at the end of it. I mean, 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:45.080 it's just like you know, the roaring with laughter developing 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:48.000 that stuff, because that's the fun of writing. It's like 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:50.800 collaborating with your partner who happens to be your husband 0:20:50.960 --> 0:20:54.479 or your wife and making this funny stuff. Well, can 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:57.679 you talk about that? Because on one end we have 0:20:57.800 --> 0:21:01.479 this very serious stuff, you know, Julie, the relationship between 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:06.880 Emily and Lorelei and Rory is very serious and emotional. 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:10.600 Then you have these two other things that are completely 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:14.040 outlandish and over the top. Of the twins marrying twins 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:18.040 with the mother that sort of can't stand their twin daughters, 0:21:18.440 --> 0:21:22.199 and then Jackson and Suki brawling over the strawberries. It's like, 0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:27.160 you can they go outlandish? Another stab like that's over 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:31.000 the top and wacky. That's what makes the drama portion 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:33.880 of it so powerful because when you return to that, 0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:37.240 you know you're not you're but there's still an element 0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:42.600 of wacky in in Emily Laureli. There's all those little lines, 0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:45.520 all those little funny lines, but it's so much more 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:50.480 fraught with with conflict, right, and it's always so well 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:53.679 placed because the one thing that I know about screenwriting 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:57.239 and not so much about television, uh, is that if 0:21:57.280 --> 0:22:02.520 you're gonna put a scene of conflict, dialogue scene of conflict, 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:04.800 not an action scene, but a dialogue. If you're gonna 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:07.040 talk conflict, it's got to be late in the second 0:22:07.080 --> 0:22:10.399 act and it's got to be extreme conflict and that 0:22:10.440 --> 0:22:12.360 propels it into the third act. And they do that 0:22:12.800 --> 0:22:15.199 very well in this show. And I think television is 0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:17.479 broken up into I don't know, five or six acts. 0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:20.600 I know I never I never wrote it. I wrote screenplays, 0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:23.640 but I never wrote television series. It's I don't understand 0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:25.480 the dynamic of the structure of it. It's a it's 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:28.720 a different structure, but um, there are similarities. But but 0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:31.600 that's those are the big moments in the kitchen, when 0:22:31.600 --> 0:22:34.280 they're going at it and it's really serious. That's when 0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:36.560 you can do it. You do it kind of two 0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:40.879 thirds uh into the piece or two thirds into the air, 0:22:41.000 --> 0:22:46.080 so about forty minutes you do it minutes, um. But yeah, 0:22:46.160 --> 0:22:49.760 you can't have that impact. So you can't land hit 0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:52.760 so hard unless you have the wacky And that's the 0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:54.600 beauty of the show because you know you're gonna get 0:22:54.600 --> 0:22:57.040 the comic relief after. You know you're gonna get the 0:22:57.040 --> 0:22:59.439 build up after. So you're just sort of playing with 0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:03.159 everybody's emotions and you're giving them all these laughs and 0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:06.920 all these waggy characters and it's all harmless, harmless, harmless, 0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:10.280 So it seems so much more pronounced, so much more 0:23:10.320 --> 0:23:13.120 serious between mother and daughter when they're really going at 0:23:13.160 --> 0:23:16.359 it and they're both lions, right, I mean, these are 0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:19.480 these two women are not backing down and they're really 0:23:19.520 --> 0:23:23.160 delivering big shots. So it's and plus I mean, look, 0:23:23.280 --> 0:23:26.280 let's let's let's put it in a boxing terminology. You 0:23:26.320 --> 0:23:29.440 get that one to punch with the with Emily and Laurel, 0:23:29.600 --> 0:23:32.200 and then the punches keep coming with all those thirty 0:23:32.200 --> 0:23:34.720 other characters, and it's overwhelming. I mean, it's just like 0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:37.199 it's a joy. It's a joy to watch. I mean, 0:23:37.240 --> 0:23:39.959 if you were be happy if somebody were beating you. 0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:44.680 But maybe a bad analogy. Uh, let's think of something 0:23:44.680 --> 0:23:48.920 else besides sports. So but that, but that's really the point. 0:23:48.960 --> 0:23:52.520 It's like they know structure, They know where to put 0:23:52.560 --> 0:23:55.480 the scenes of the most conflict um and then know 0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:57.520 how to set them up because all that other stuff 0:23:57.560 --> 0:24:00.440