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Speaker 1: Have been listening for years. I appreciate your honest opinions

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Speaker 1: Guy's smart. I've been a lifelong Chiefs fan and can

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Speaker 1: can contend. When I say contend, like to make the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: you get a really good quarterback. The Bengals were a

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Speaker 1: joke in that period, Like after Marvin Lewis number one

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Speaker 1: pick in the draft, get Joe Burrow boom sweet, not

428
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Speaker 1: just sweet like fucking ass kickers. So to me, it's

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Speaker 1: just quarterback. It really is, because you've proven over the

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Speaker 1: years to get good players, good Trent Williams, good defensive linemen,

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Speaker 1: good wide receivers, good running backs, good linebackers, like any

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Speaker 1: team can find that. There is an element of luck

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Speaker 1: slash being on the right guy when it comes to

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Speaker 1: the quarterback. That's your game changer. I don't know enough

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Speaker 1: about Sam Howe to feel confident one way or the other.

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Speaker 1: Kind of the same thing with Jordan Love, even though

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Speaker 1: I know more about Jordan Love, just in terms of

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Speaker 1: he's he's a better physical quote unquote prospects Sam you know,

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Speaker 1: Jordan Love has been in league a while now, but

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Speaker 1: than Sam Howe. But both guys, like if you told

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Speaker 1: me they're both good, believe you. If you told me

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00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: they both stink, believe you. It's a hard part with

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Speaker 1: the NFL. The likelihood that they're both good actually slim

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Speaker 1: the nun because that's this. But one of the guys

445
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Speaker 1: could be, you know, become the next Andy Dalton, could

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Speaker 1: become the next Derek Carr, or they both could be

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Speaker 1: just guys that are replaced in a couple of years,

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Speaker 1: which historically just football at that position would say, yeah,

449
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Speaker 1: more likely to just be replaced. It's really really hard

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Speaker 1: to play quarterback. Obviously everyone listening knows that. But usually

451
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:17,360
Speaker 1: how many guys become like random starters? Right Deck started

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Speaker 1: immediately Now he was a fourth round pick, but like

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson became a starter or his rookie year. How

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Speaker 1: many guys that are mid round picks become just solidify

455
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Speaker 1: your position. Kirk Cousins feels like an all time outlier

456
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Speaker 1: in recent memory. Guy that just becomes a decade long starter,

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Speaker 1: who's a fourth round pick just doesn't happen. Look look

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Speaker 1: like even Jimmy Garoppolo, Derek Carr, these guys were high

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Speaker 1: second round picks. Jordan Love if he becomes like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was a first round pick. Love the pod, Thank

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Speaker 1: you for the football content during the long offseason. Shit,

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Speaker 1: you're telling me as a Colts fan, it's been incredibly

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Speaker 1: irritating going through so many quarterbacks ever since Luck's retirement.

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Speaker 1: I was really hoping we draft Levis despite the negative

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Speaker 1: comments about him, But as you know, that didn't happen.

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Speaker 1: Can you give your opinion on what the team can

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Speaker 1: do differently so that Anthony Richardson can thrive? And do

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Speaker 1: you really think the Colts will be awful as everyone says, Well,

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Speaker 1: if he's just a complete project terrible as a rookie,

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Speaker 1: which is not inconceivable. Yeah, it's going to be very

471
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Speaker 1: very hard to operate. Like, why did you really suck

472
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Speaker 1: last year? Let's face it, your offensive line clearly underachieved,

473
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Speaker 1: but your quarterback play Matt Ryan was shot and then

474
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Speaker 1: every guy you rolled in after him was terrible, and

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Speaker 1: your coaching stunk too well. Hiring Shane Steichen wasn't just

476
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Speaker 1: hiring this young offensive mind. He literally just worked with

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Speaker 1: this raw product who was farther along in terms of

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Speaker 1: four year starter in college or technically three. But you

479
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Speaker 1: guys know in just won a ton of games, a

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Speaker 1: ton of success, and just came in very serious cat right,

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Speaker 1: and they mold did this offense that kind of morphed

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Speaker 1: us as he got better as a thrower and they

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Speaker 1: added weapons around him. But early on with Jalen Hurts,

484
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Speaker 1: it was pretty ugly from a passing standpoint, but he

485
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Speaker 1: was such a good runner. You know, I do think

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Speaker 1: you whenever you get a player who's going to need

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Speaker 1: a lot of work, would Patrick Mahomes have worked with

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Speaker 1: any coach? I think a lot of people say, yeah,

489
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Speaker 1: the cream usually rises to the top, and I'm a

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Speaker 1: big believer in that. But when in an industry like

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Speaker 1: football at quarterback, so many things are out of your control.

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Speaker 1: Who's your head coach, who's your play caller, who's blocking

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Speaker 1: for you? Who's your GM putting around you? Is your

494
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Speaker 1: organization toxic? Or is a high level? But Kenny Pickett

495
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Speaker 1: probably is not going to fail. Why he's got Toalmlan

496
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Speaker 1: and the Steelers. He's got an infrastructure, he's got good defense.

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Speaker 1: They draft incredibly well at the skill positions. They've invested

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Speaker 1: a lot more with the offensive line. They just drafted

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Speaker 1: a guy in the top fifteen, Like they will do

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Speaker 1: everything humanly possible to maximize the guy who's ceiling is

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Speaker 1: not Josh Allen ones right, but it's going to be

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Speaker 1: equipped around him at a really, really high level. I

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Speaker 1: think Anthony Richardson first and foremost. Get him a coach

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Speaker 1: that knows how to scheme an offense that can put

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Speaker 1: him in positions, and then I would say, you gotta

506
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Speaker 1: think long term with this. Take the bumps. But then

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Speaker 1: over the next couple of years, can you find like

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Speaker 1: they did with Jalen Hurts, get him an AJ Brown?

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Speaker 1: Can you draft if you've were drafting third overall this year,

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Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior, which would be kind of ironic because

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Speaker 1: his dad obviously is a Colts legend, But can you

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Speaker 1: do that? Like that's can you put the infrastructure around him?

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Speaker 1: Like ultimately, Peyton Manning all time great player, seen him

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Speaker 1: play live five times. He's fucking incredible to watch when

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Speaker 1: he's on, it's it was stupid. I saw him eviscerate

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Speaker 1: the Raiders several times, also throw some picks. Same with

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Speaker 1: the Eagles. Actually what we played him when I was

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Speaker 1: with the when I was when he was with the

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Speaker 1: Colts and Sante Samuel at a sweet pick six. But

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Speaker 1: they did a good job around surrounding him with awesome

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Speaker 1: offensive talent, And I think that's the key, Like is

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Speaker 1: brock Purty some star or is he a solid player?

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Speaker 1: Knew what to do and got to throw to Deebo Samuel,

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Speaker 1: George Kittle and Christian McCaffery. That's a huge part of football. Man. Hey, John,

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Speaker 1: welcome to Arizona. I know you're a Cali guy, but

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Speaker 1: hopefully you get a chance to follow the Cardinals a

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Speaker 1: little closer. Yeah, it's probably not gonna end. It's not

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Speaker 1: gonna happen. I'm not sure if you caught much of

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Speaker 1: the nd season Hard Knocks last year, but it was

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Speaker 1: pretty clear Arizona has a pretty bootleg operation. I watched

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Speaker 1: three or four episodes, and I would tend to agree. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I guess they didn't have much of a choice but

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Speaker 1: to clean house with that coaching staff and part ways

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Speaker 1: with guys who clearly didn't want to be there, like

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins. As far as the draft goes, they have

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Speaker 1: a need at basically every position. But I do wish

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Speaker 1: they traded a little further down than they did and

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Speaker 1: Devin Witherspoon or Arizona native b Jon Robinson. Then again,

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Speaker 1: getting some protection for the smallest quarterback in the league

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Speaker 1: has ever seen, is probably smart. Vegas is the over

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Speaker 1: under on the Cardinals wind total at four and a half.

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Speaker 1: To me, the screams bet the house on the over.

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Speaker 1: But maybe I'm missing something you think that US gamblers

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Speaker 1: call a market inefficiency or do you really see them

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Speaker 1: being the worst team in the league. I would struggle

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Speaker 1: in the NFL in general. I'm not a big over

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Speaker 1: under better, mainly because I'm not a patient better. Like

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Speaker 1: if I'm going to invest long term, I do that

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Speaker 1: with stocks. I can't over under. I can't wait four months.

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Speaker 1: I'll just bet week one or week four so and

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Speaker 1: to get the payout. So I'm just getting wait plus

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Speaker 1: one ten. Why don't I just take an underdog on

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Speaker 1: a certain week at plus one ten cause to get

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Speaker 1: the juice for me to make it worth it, Like

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Speaker 1: I got to put a four figure down or an

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Speaker 1: over under bet it just it doesn't do that much

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Speaker 1: for me. So philosophically, just want to get it out there.

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Speaker 1: As a gambler, I don't gamble over and over unders,

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Speaker 1: but if I did, I would probably be hesitant to

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Speaker 1: do these teams that are in the four to five

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Speaker 1: range because you can stink and win six games, like

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Speaker 1: they could be terrible and just luck into a couple

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Speaker 1: of games. In general, even if you're awful, you are

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Speaker 1: in a lot of games. In the NFL, you just are.

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Speaker 1: This is not college where if you're the worst team

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Speaker 1: in your conference, you're getting blown out, you know, in

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Speaker 1: conference games and maybe a couple of non conference games.

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Speaker 1: If you're going too and ten, you could get blown

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Speaker 1: out eight of the twelve games in the NFL, maybe

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Speaker 1: get blown out a couple of times, like the Colts.

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Speaker 1: Would they just draft four? Think how many games they

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Speaker 1: were in, Think how many games they were in. Shit,

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Speaker 1: they beat the Chiefs, They easily could have, you know,

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Speaker 1: won some of the uh think about some of the

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Speaker 1: games they blew. So I would be hesitant. I would.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't touch that, But I'm with you. I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's like a lock that they go under. That

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Speaker 1: being said, I do think they're going to stink. They

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Speaker 1: have an unproven coach, their quarterback won. He's not even healthy,

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Speaker 1: so are we sure that he's going to start the year?

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Speaker 1: I don't think he is, but and why would you

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Speaker 1: rush them to do that? I also think really quick

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Speaker 1: back to your trade thing. I think when you suck,

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Speaker 1: you always want to trade down. It does take two

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00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: to tango, right. The Bears are a good example. They

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Speaker 1: desperately wanted to trade down. They're going to get fields

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Speaker 1: another year. If there weren't teams, if there were no

588
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the draft, they wouldn't have had big offers.

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Speaker 1: Part of having a trade partner is finding the partner.

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Speaker 1: If you want to get on the dance floor, no

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00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: girls are going to dance with it, You're gonna be

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Speaker 1: danced by yourself. So I'm not defending them and acting

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Speaker 1: like they're smarter than everyone else or they made some

594
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: good moves, but I don't know where their phone's blowing up.

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Speaker 1: Huge fan of the pod Love Listening. I'm a Packer

596
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: fan transplanted and Tennessee and was wondering what your thoughts

597
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: were on how much time will Lafloor be given for

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Speaker 1: the love experiment and why don't you think Lafleur is

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Speaker 1: mentioned as the same breath as McVeigh, Shanahan or even

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Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel. Well, I think the latter part of your

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Speaker 1: question is easy. He inherited Aaron Rodgers, Right, if Steve

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Speaker 1: Kerr would have just won four championships with like the

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Speaker 1: Wizards or the Clippers or just a little more of

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00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,479
Speaker 1: a random franchise. Even the Clippers would be a bad

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00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: example because Quiet already won two, but just a team

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Speaker 1: that didn't have a star. Right, you just don't get

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00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: as much credit as when you win it with Steph Curry,

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00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: even though Steph Curry hadn't won a championship without Steve Kerr.

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00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: Just just a reality, right, So when you inherit Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 1: who had won multiple MVPs and been a Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: champ and been one of the best quarterbacks we'd ever seen,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna get more credit than you. But you can

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Speaker 1: make up that gap dramatically when he leaves. So whether

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Speaker 1: Aaron like if Aaron has success or failure, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter for Laflor. But if Lafloor this year, let's just

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Speaker 1: say goes ten and seven, I'd say they won the

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Speaker 1: division at ten and seven, and Jordan Love it's just

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Speaker 1: solid brows like twenty six touchdowns, ten picks. They're a

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Speaker 1: good running team. Their team's just good. Matt Lafleur would

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Speaker 1: get a shit ton of credit, and well deserved. But

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Speaker 1: I do think it's hard when you inherit. You know,

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Speaker 1: does Mike Shanahan get as much credit as he should

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Speaker 1: for winning back to back Super Bowls? Probably not why

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Speaker 1: because he inherited John Elway. John Elway had already been

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00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: to three now he'd never won one. But it just

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Speaker 1: it's hard when you have an established all time great,

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Speaker 1: right Tim Cook, for example, Pretty sure since Steve Jobs

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Speaker 1: has died, Apple has dominated, feel like Tim Cook gets

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Speaker 1: anywhere near the acclaim The just is talked about in

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00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 1: the same level the Steve Jobs's and probably you know,

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Speaker 1: obviously Steve was a huge driver of creating the thing,

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Speaker 1: But don't you get credit for keeping it rolling, keep innovating,

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00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: keep making products. The aarpods, I've already bought like seven

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Speaker 1: pairs in a year. It's like a ten billion dollar business.

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Speaker 1: But no, you just don't fair or not, which I

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Speaker 1: think many would offer. Not fair, I think he's getting

637
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Speaker 1: unless this year is just horrendous, right, Just I'm trying

638
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Speaker 1: to think of a year of a recent quarterback who

639
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Speaker 1: was just beyond terrible. Well, like think about some of

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Speaker 1: the Matt Ryan Carson Wentz. Carson Wentz probably bad example,

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Speaker 1: because his stats. If Jordan Love was putting up his stats,

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Speaker 1: he would get more time. Would Matt Ryan looked like

643
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Speaker 1: this year with the Colts, Whereas like this is not

644
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Speaker 1: going to work. If that's what it looks like. We're

645
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Speaker 1: regardless of the stats and they're not winning, it's like

646
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Speaker 1: this is not going to work. He'll just get one

647
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Speaker 1: year and then Lafleur and Gudakins will get another quarterback.

648
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Speaker 1: But I think it would have to be beyond terrible

649
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Speaker 1: for Love not to come back. Now if it was

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Speaker 1: beyond terrible and they had like the number one overall pick,

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Speaker 1: which I think they're teams too talented to be drafting

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Speaker 1: super high. I think what's more likely is they're just solid,

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Speaker 1: you know. And when I say solid, like you know,

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Speaker 1: you could argue there's not that big of a gap

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Speaker 1: between seven and nine wins. Could be an interception here,

656
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Speaker 1: could be a fumble. There could be a missfield goal here,

657
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Speaker 1: it could be a block field goal there, so that

658
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Speaker 1: the gap is very very small in terms of success

659
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Speaker 1: and failures when it comes to winning seven or nine games.

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Speaker 1: But if they went nine and eight with Jordan Love,

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Speaker 1: I think he would get a boatload of credit. I

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Speaker 1: started watching your podcast a couple months ago. Appreciate that,

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Speaker 1: but I'm a Dolphins fan and one to know your

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Speaker 1: in depth analysis on why you don't think Tua is

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Speaker 1: a good quarterback. I ten percent agree. Injuries are a

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Speaker 1: huge concern, but just talking purely on the field, I

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Speaker 1: think he played at a top eight to ten quarterback

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Speaker 1: level last season. Led the league in passer rating twenty

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Speaker 1: five touchdowns, eight picks, thirty five hundred yards in only

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Speaker 1: thirteen games. Is it crazy to think Tua can be

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Speaker 1: this generations Drew Brees, not in terms of making the

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, but an outlier of a smaller quarterback

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Speaker 1: with not great tools exceptional accuracy, timing, and knowledge of

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Speaker 1: the game. He does throw a beautiful deep ball, and

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Speaker 1: they have two awesome deep ball receivers, right, they got

676
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Speaker 1: two speed demons. Tyreek's incredible after the catch. But I

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Speaker 1: don't think you could separate the two. I think if

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Speaker 1: Tua was just one hundred percent healthy on the field,

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Speaker 1: you'd be fine. You could forty Nyers were going to

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Speaker 1: NFC championship games in a Super Bowl with Jimmy Garoppolo.

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo can do that. Tua can do that now, Tua,

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Speaker 1: like you, you're right of off these stats better stats

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Speaker 1: than Jimmy. They have more explosive receivers. But my point is, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think to it if he was just on the

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Speaker 1: field all the time. But you can't separate the two.

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Speaker 1: He had a devastating injury in college. Head is like

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Speaker 1: hip ripped off. He gets KOed in NFL NonStop. So

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Speaker 1: it's not that I don't think he's a good quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I think he's fine. I think he saw it. No,

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Speaker 1: I don't really like smaller guys, especially when they're not

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Speaker 1: great athletes. And part of it, he's a pocket quarterback

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Speaker 1: that takes a lot, that doesn't really know how to

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Speaker 1: avoid big hits. But yeah, in a vacuum, if he

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Speaker 1: was just on the field a lot like Eli Manning

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Speaker 1: for a decade, right, never missing games, you'd be fine.

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Speaker 1: You'd win. You go to the playoffs, and then you

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Speaker 1: never know in the playoffs, just you know, can you

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Speaker 1: get a pick, can you get the right sack? A

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Speaker 1: sack at the right moment. Can you can your guy

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Speaker 1: make a play? Most playoff games are not blowouts, right,

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Speaker 1: so pheb Drew Brees, I don't think i'd go that

702
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: for the injuries, man, I really can't separate him. But

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Speaker 1: I I by no means I've come He's I probably

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Speaker 1: thought he was going to be I don't know if

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Speaker 1: he could be a scrub. I didn't think he was

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Speaker 1: going to be that good. He's better than I thought now.

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Speaker 1: Part of it. His offensive coordinator now is really good.

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Speaker 1: You had Tyreek Hill. I mean, Tyrek Hill is one

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Speaker 1: of the Tyrerik Hill was the best player in your

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Speaker 1: team last year, even if TWA hadn't gotten hurt, Like

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Speaker 1: that's the MVP of your team. Even you'd have to

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Speaker 1: admit that he's one of the best players we've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: I would say you could argue he's a top five

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Speaker 1: wide receiver ever. Right with Jerry Randy Moss, Terrell Owens,

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Speaker 1: you give me another name after those guys, I'd put

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Speaker 1: Tyreek right up there. He's a winning player. He's a

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Speaker 1: championship level player. He's a dominant player in the playoffs

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Speaker 1: and the regular season. He can run all the routes.

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Speaker 1: He can break tackles, he can go deep, he can

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Speaker 1: go short. Fuck guy could do it all to hare

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Speaker 1: it is. This is a good one. I've been listening

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Speaker 1: to your podcast three and Out for a while now,

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Speaker 1: and I have a question, in your opinion, what is

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Speaker 1: the lowest level that a former football player can claim

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Speaker 1: that they were in the NFL. One was drafted or

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Speaker 1: signed as a rookie free agent. Two played in at

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Speaker 1: least one preseason game. Three made a practice squad. If

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Speaker 1: you make a practice squad, you're in the NFL. Made

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Speaker 1: a fifty three man for sure, played at least one snap.

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Speaker 1: If five is the answer, could a rookie quarterback who

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Speaker 1: lasted a year or two on a team holding a

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Speaker 1: clipboard on the sideline but never played a snap in

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Speaker 1: a regular game still count as an NFL player? Yes,

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Speaker 1: I would say if you were drafted in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: If I'm a seventh round draft pick and I don't

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Speaker 1: make it after training camp, I get cut and they don't,

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Speaker 1: you know, get me on a practice squad, I made

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Speaker 1: the NFL. Not only was I drafted, I played in

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Speaker 1: the preseason. I think if you play in the preseason

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Speaker 1: like you're there during training camp, you're practicing, and you're

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Speaker 1: playing in preseason games. You made the NFL, right, then

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Speaker 1: we can argue the semantics of you had a five

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Speaker 1: year career. I was two years as a practice squad guy.

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Speaker 1: But I think if you get drafted and play in

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Speaker 1: the preseason, like you had more than a cup of coffee.

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Speaker 1: Like to me, a cup of coffee in the NFL

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Speaker 1: would be like got a couple of tryouts and OTAs

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Speaker 1: never made it to training camp. If you're in training

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Speaker 1: camp every single day, meeting rooms, playing in the preseason,

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Speaker 1: I give you a NFL player. That's fucking hard, even

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, when training camp is easier, in

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00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: like nineteen eighties, it's still really really impressive. You get

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Speaker 1: drafted in the NFL, or even as an undrafted free agent,

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Speaker 1: someone signed you like a GM and a head coach

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Speaker 1: want you to be on their team. Even if you

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Speaker 1: don't make the team practice squad, for sure, you're in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. And clearly if you're on the fifty three

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Speaker 1: man roster, you're literally in the NFL. I mean you're

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Speaker 1: on a team. You know, we could argue like if

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Speaker 1: you're on a practice squad Are you on the team?

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Speaker 1: Technically not, your wages aren't the same as a guy

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Speaker 1: that's on the team. But to me, you are on

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Speaker 1: the team because you practice every day. You're part of

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Speaker 1: the weekly game plans. I would say I would probably

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Speaker 1: start it the hybrid of one and two. If you're

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Speaker 1: drafted in play in the preseason slash undrafted free agent

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Speaker 1: play in the preseason. Now, there are different levels, right,

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Speaker 1: Like are you a professional baseball player if you never

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Speaker 1: make it to the big leagues but get drafted in

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Speaker 1: the second round and playing the minors for seven years?

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Speaker 1: I just think the way you preface it is like

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Speaker 1: I was a professional baseball player. I never got to

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Speaker 1: the show, right, But if you get to the show

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Speaker 1: for a September call up, you know I got to

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Speaker 1: play professional baseball. Okay, last one, listen to what every

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Speaker 1: episode drafts bucks fan. Here, with most of the good

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Speaker 1: players signed and with Baker, Mayfield and Bulls leading the

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Speaker 1: team's most important spots on a team, do you see

779
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Speaker 1: most of the guys giving in after a couple of

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Speaker 1: weeks in hopes of getting a superstar quarterback in Caleb Also,

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Speaker 1: once Bowls inevitably leads us to a top five pick

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Speaker 1: should he go. You know the thing, with the situation

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Speaker 1: like this, most of us view the Bucks probably gonna

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Speaker 1: be pretty bad. Let's just say they are competing to

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Speaker 1: have the worst record in the NFL. One thing, even

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Speaker 1: if you know it going in. I see I follow

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Speaker 1: Jason light on Instagram their GM. He's in like Italy

788
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: right now, having a good time. I don't blame him.

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Speaker 1: I mean he just he resurrected the Bucks by signing

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady, got him the playoffs, won a super Bowl

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Speaker 1: like deserves credit, won the division three years in a row,

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Speaker 1: even if last year was kind of questionable, but Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady changed the franchise. It's one thing like we're gonna suck.

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Speaker 1: It's cool, we want Caleb. Everything would be good. And

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Speaker 1: if I told you right now, would you rather win

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Speaker 1: like seven games and have a kind of entertaining season

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Speaker 1: and draft thirteenth overall or just win two games get

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Speaker 1: the number one overall pick. You would easily choose two

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Speaker 1: games and have the number one overall pick. The problem

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Speaker 1: with that if you're Todd Bowles, Todd Bowles agent, Todd

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Speaker 1: Bowles wife, that is going to be an ugly season. Man.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna be losing a ton of games, a lot

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Speaker 1: of anger, a lot of ugliness, a lot of empty fans,

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Speaker 1: a lot of empty seats with fans booing. It's it's

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Speaker 1: an ugly, ugly process to get there. Trust the process.

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Speaker 1: It was pretty ugly during that time. You become an embarrassment.

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Speaker 1: You become a joke. For a long time, the Saints

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00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: were called the Aints, the Bucks were called the Yucks.

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Speaker 1: And in football it's such a what have you done

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00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: for me? Lately? People turn on you quick. So if

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Speaker 1: you're Todd Bowles, he definitely is not trying to get

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Speaker 1: the number one overall pick. And I'm not putting that

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Speaker 1: much stock into some of these spring videos of Baker

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Speaker 1: Mayfield not completing passes which don't look pretty. They don't.

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Speaker 1: But if that does translate to the season, which it

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00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 1: easily could, because Baker hasn't been good now for a while. Really,

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Speaker 1: I remember watching him last year age when the Panthers

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Speaker 1: played the forty nine Ers, and like, this guy's terrible.

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Speaker 1: This guy he's your starting quarterback. You're gonna lose, especially

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Speaker 1: against good teams. It'd be Todd Bowle is going to

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Speaker 1: get the number one overall pick. I would say fifty

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Speaker 1: to fifty, and I would lean probably not actually appreciate

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Speaker 1: everyone fired in those d MS audios. The volume