WEBVTT - From the Vault: Five Reasons to Never Take Your Space Helmet Off

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, you welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind. My

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<v Speaker 1>name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick, and it's Saturday.

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<v Speaker 1>Time to go into the Old Vault for a classic

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<v Speaker 1>episode of Stuff to Blow Your Mind. This one was

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<v Speaker 1>originally published in May of It was called five Reasons

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<v Speaker 1>to Never Take Your Space Helmet Off. And I remember

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<v Speaker 1>why we did this episode is because we went to

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<v Speaker 1>the theater to see Alien Covenant, Yeah, which I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>watched again since the theater, but I am expecting actually,

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<v Speaker 1>despite the bad reviews, it probably holds up pretty well

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<v Speaker 1>as a new version of the nineteen fifties Mad Scientists

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<v Speaker 1>B movie. Yeah, I haven't seen it since it since

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<v Speaker 1>it originally came out, either, but I consider it better

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<v Speaker 1>than most science fiction films. Uh at any right, it

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<v Speaker 1>does involve a trope that frequently pops up in science

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<v Speaker 1>fiction people taking their space helmets off on uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>alien worlds, and then then they're surprised eyes when something

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<v Speaker 1>terrible happens. Right, just get that biosphere right in you right?

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<v Speaker 1>Or the other of course, example is where where characters

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<v Speaker 1>take their helmets off on alien worlds and nothing bad happens,

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<v Speaker 1>which is also, as you'll learn in this episode, equally

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<v Speaker 1>preposterous like the old Star Trek episode. Yes, and actually

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I'm comparing Alien Covenant more too. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a beautiful if Ridley Scott photographed a version

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<v Speaker 1>of Bride of the Monster by Edwood. Well, the great

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<v Speaker 1>thing about Ridley Scott films is even even when they're bad,

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<v Speaker 1>they're pretty good. So I mean, there's gonna be a

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<v Speaker 1>there's gonna be a certain degree of artistry that's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be present, even even of other avident areas of

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<v Speaker 1>the film, like Gunter Deliver. I think that was the

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<v Speaker 1>case here. I remember some severe scripting and pacing issues,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just kind of liked it anyway. Yeah. I

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<v Speaker 1>think they're about three movies slammed together into Alien Covenant,

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<v Speaker 1>and two of them I really enjoyed. Uh So, without

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<v Speaker 1>further ado, let's go ahead and pop the hatches on

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<v Speaker 1>our helmets and breathe deep the Vault episode. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how Stuff Works dot Com. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you wasn't discussed to blow your mind. My name is

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Lamb, and I'm Joe McCormick and Boyd we have

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<v Speaker 1>a treat for you today because Robert and I saw

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<v Speaker 1>Alien Covenant this past weekend, right, yeah, on a Saturday.

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<v Speaker 1>Was Yeah, it was. So we're going to try to

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<v Speaker 1>avoid major plot spoilers, but this episode today is going

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<v Speaker 1>to uh spring off of an idea that came up

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<v Speaker 1>when we were watching the movie. So we are going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about the movie a little in more general terms.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you absolutely cannot bear to hear anything at

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<v Speaker 1>all until you see it, you might want to pause

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<v Speaker 1>here and come back once you've seen it. Like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>no specific plot spoilers, but I mean, we've got to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the movie, right, yeah, I mean, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't agree with me talking about any more depth than

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<v Speaker 1>you would get out of the trailers for it. And

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<v Speaker 1>there were so many trailers for this film. I feel, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like this was the most part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>May just be those sort of the algorithms of YouTube advertisements,

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<v Speaker 1>but I felt like I was absolutely bombarded to the

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<v Speaker 1>point where I just really wanted to respond and say like, look,

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<v Speaker 1>I I'm on board, I'm gonna see it. Just stop

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<v Speaker 1>making me watch trailers for it, because I'm gonna it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna reach the point where I'm gonna start losing interest.

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<v Speaker 1>So Ridley Scott did the same thing with Prometheus, where

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't just do trailers, but he did scenes that

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<v Speaker 1>take place before the movie starts. Sit with him and

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<v Speaker 1>that thing. I don't know. I think maybe part of

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<v Speaker 1>it just like shooting a lot of footage, and then

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<v Speaker 1>with this film in particular, I felt like there was

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<v Speaker 1>this is so one of the things with the film,

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<v Speaker 1>like Alien Covenant, is that, by no means was just

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<v Speaker 1>a small movie. This is a large studio production. And

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<v Speaker 1>and over the years, Ridley Scott has has proven himself

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<v Speaker 1>one of these actors who knows how he has the

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<v Speaker 1>clout to work within that system, but he seems to

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<v Speaker 1>know how to to cater to expectations like you don't

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<v Speaker 1>not that I follow this kind of thing just religiously,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, I don't remember ever hearing stories about

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<v Speaker 1>Ridley Scott's battle with the studio over something like he

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<v Speaker 1>seems to Yeah, it may have happened. I don't recall

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<v Speaker 1>hearing about that. It's not like hearing about David Fincher's

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<v Speaker 1>struggles on Alien three with Fox. Yeah, and part of

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<v Speaker 1>that is him having cloud you know, he's Ridley Scott

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<v Speaker 1>he's essentially, you know, a living legend of of the cinema.

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<v Speaker 1>But but I also get the sense that he is

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<v Speaker 1>willing to He's willing to work. He's willing to adjust

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<v Speaker 1>that or to um to to to adjust the settings,

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<v Speaker 1>the trajectory on that, on that that vision he has

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<v Speaker 1>in order to see it to the theater. What you're

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<v Speaker 1>saying is he'll play ball. Yeah, I get the impression

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<v Speaker 1>that he's a he's a guy who will play ball. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So here's so it is an alien movie. I will

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<v Speaker 1>say it's an alien movie in the Alien franchise. That

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<v Speaker 1>actually felt kind of like an alien movie. And here's

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<v Speaker 1>my short review. Almost all the things I can think

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<v Speaker 1>of to say about it are criticisms. I felt that

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<v Speaker 1>it had really similar problems with Prometheus. With the script,

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<v Speaker 1>the human characters are underdeveloped. Their personalities and motivations didn't

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<v Speaker 1>seem to be consistent from one scene to another. Parts

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<v Speaker 1>of the plot definitely went on. And this is a cliche.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate to use it, but it is the best

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<v Speaker 1>descriptive term for it. It was on autopilot in certain parts.

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<v Speaker 1>But I just really liked it. I enjoyed it. Nonetheless,

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<v Speaker 1>despite all that it was beautiful to look at. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>Ridley Scott's always a great set designer, great at the

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<v Speaker 1>visual aspect of his movies, creative and interesting things to explore.

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<v Speaker 1>In the first half at least, I love the gleeful

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<v Speaker 1>sense of body horror repaired with this classically ponderous mad

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<v Speaker 1>scientist vibe, especially in the mid section of the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>And Michael Fastbender is just heroically fun. So to the

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<v Speaker 1>extent this makes any sense, I felt like the movie

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<v Speaker 1>was somehow both stupid and an intensely pleasing work of art. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well this actually this in ways lines up with some

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<v Speaker 1>of my feelings about it. It was definitely from me

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<v Speaker 1>a film that I saw it. I wasn't sure how

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<v Speaker 1>I felt about it, but I keep thinking about it

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<v Speaker 1>every day since I saw it, and and I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like for me at this point in my life and

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<v Speaker 1>only the way I interact with films, like that's how

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<v Speaker 1>I tend to judge it. Is it something more than

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<v Speaker 1>like the structural completeness of a film, or the or

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<v Speaker 1>the character motivations and the character development, Like is there

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<v Speaker 1>something in the movie that I came back to because

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<v Speaker 1>there's for instance, there's so many just sort of paint

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<v Speaker 1>by number superhero films, and there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>fun I enjoy seeing them, but it's just really into them. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm into them. I get excited about I'm

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<v Speaker 1>I'm excited to say, see the next Guardians of the

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<v Speaker 1>Galaxy film whenever it's you know, I can watch it

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<v Speaker 1>on an airplane or however it comes together. But I

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy seeing them, and then I don't. I don't chew

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<v Speaker 1>on them afterwards. They kind of go in in in,

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<v Speaker 1>one year out the other kind of right. So with

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<v Speaker 1>Alien Covenant, I I kept thinking about in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>of of Scott's vision for this film and the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that he you know, like we said, well play ball

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<v Speaker 1>um because it's uh. Because just as the the Malevolent

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<v Speaker 1>Organism and the Alien series draws its form via the

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<v Speaker 1>life forms that it annihilates, so too does Alien Cove.

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<v Speaker 1>Its covenant Seema a chimerical beast. So it's a it's

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<v Speaker 1>a Prometheus sequel and body, but with appindages that call

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<v Speaker 1>back to Aliens Alien three even a dash of a

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<v Speaker 1>VP in there for good measure. And you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>monster's form varies, enabling the creature to better consume it's

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<v Speaker 1>a victims, but the genetic mission remains the same. This

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<v Speaker 1>you know, unstoppable will of weaponized evolution, created and recreated

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<v Speaker 1>by those who would take on the mantle of gods.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's such really, Scott, I feel like he allowed

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<v Speaker 1>Covenants form to encompass fan and studio demands for more,

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<v Speaker 1>for more monsters, for dashes of past installments in the franchise,

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<v Speaker 1>but still at its heart, it's a Prometheus sequel. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the the second installment in a new film Mark that

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<v Speaker 1>one commentator on called called quote a weirdly religious science

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<v Speaker 1>fiction universe. And uh, you know, I'm me personally, I

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<v Speaker 1>love both space horror and virtually anything that's weirdly religious,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know I'm on this bull's eye for me too. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it though with I mean, the those aspects

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned, I love that they're all there, but they also,

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<v Speaker 1>um would you say, so many of them are not

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<v Speaker 1>followed through on. It's almost like they set something up

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<v Speaker 1>to happen in the movie and then it just never happened. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I would be interested to learn more about

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<v Speaker 1>sort of behind the scenes and what was added, what

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<v Speaker 1>was changed, because for instance, there's a there's a shower

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<v Speaker 1>scene not to not just spoil anything later in the film,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's very a VP and it feels feels a

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<v Speaker 1>bit tacked on. It's like the moment it goes Multiple

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<v Speaker 1>reviewers have commented on this that at some point the

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<v Speaker 1>movie suddenly becomes a slasher movie. It's like a Friday

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<v Speaker 1>movie for a few minutes, and that's sort of how

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<v Speaker 1>it felt to me. Yeah, and uh and I also

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<v Speaker 1>have to say that when it comes to the characters

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<v Speaker 1>of this film, like, really, this is a film about

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<v Speaker 1>two androids, and uh and and to A and to

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<v Speaker 1>a lesser extent, a third character who is Um who

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<v Speaker 1>is sort of like the associate captain who ends up

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<v Speaker 1>taking over the Billy CREDITU character. Uh. Everyone else is

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<v Speaker 1>is far less developed. But at the core, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>a film about to androids sort of struggling to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out like where they stand in relationship to the to

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<v Speaker 1>these these these lesser creators are they are they their

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<v Speaker 1>their guardians or are they there destroyers? You know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm on board of that kind of thing. Yeah. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so we got to get into the meat of the episode.

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<v Speaker 1>But one final comment about the movie, do you think

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<v Speaker 1>they're ever going to stop with the the title format

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<v Speaker 1>of franchise named colon, abstract noun. I'm so sick of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Alien Resurrection, Alien Coming, and all the franchises do it now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's you know, it's like, uh, Terminator, Genesis, whatever. It

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<v Speaker 1>makes me feel like the next one is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be called like Alien Gamification. It just feels like such

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<v Speaker 1>a product I hated. I wish they could give each

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<v Speaker 1>movie its own title. Well, the last one was Prometheus,

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<v Speaker 1>so thumbs up for that. I get the feeling that

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<v Speaker 1>it is about tying everything into this overarching brand. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's just to get people in the theaters.

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean sometimes we use the noun noun colon

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<v Speaker 1>additional keywords, uh template when say titling episodes of this podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>because a part of it is like I've only got

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<v Speaker 1>so much space, and I really need to convey what

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<v Speaker 1>this is about, So aliens Colon Covenant. That lets you

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<v Speaker 1>know that it's going to involve aliens, It's gonna involve

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<v Speaker 1>Colon's involve something quasi religious, and that's all you need

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<v Speaker 1>to know. But if we were to really follow this format,

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<v Speaker 1>every episode of ours, somebody called something like stuff to

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<v Speaker 1>blow your mind colon respiration, which is sort of what

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to get into today. So, without spoiling anything

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<v Speaker 1>significant about the plot, I wanted to point out something

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<v Speaker 1>this movie movie has in common with Prometheus. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>got space explorers, that's no surprise. Astronauts go into other

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<v Speaker 1>planets and they just plunge their faces straight into the

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<v Speaker 1>atmosphere and biosphere of an alien planet without protection. And

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<v Speaker 1>Prometheus they are these scenes where they take their helmets

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<v Speaker 1>off for no reason I can really remember. I think

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<v Speaker 1>they're just for the heck of it. In Covenant, they

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<v Speaker 1>just walk out of their landing vehicle without suits of

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<v Speaker 1>any kind. They're there's wear in some hats and some overcoats. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm fine with characters behaving irrationally or unrealistically, and horror

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<v Speaker 1>and sci fi movies, I think that's a pretty common

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<v Speaker 1>element and I'm okay with it. Yeah, I mean basically

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<v Speaker 1>the whole movie Covenant, it begins with a hey, should

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<v Speaker 1>we go check this out scenario like so many horror films,

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<v Speaker 1>And if your characters were smart enough to stay on

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<v Speaker 1>the path right, then they would never we would have

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<v Speaker 1>no movie because what was that noise? In the bushes,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's horror stories are about going off the path?

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<v Speaker 1>Should we go off the path? Should we go explore that?

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, you don't do that, you never get out

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<v Speaker 1>of the boat. But if you never got out of

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<v Speaker 1>the boat, we would have no film, right, So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>fine with that happening, providing I get provided that there's

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<v Speaker 1>some consistent level of realism. Most modern sci fi movies,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, have a very healthy dose of fantasy

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<v Speaker 1>in them, And that's just one expression of that here.

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<v Speaker 1>But today we wanted to explore the topic of why,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're an actual exo play, a colonist or explorer,

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<v Speaker 1>you really shouldn't want to take your helmet off or

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<v Speaker 1>otherwise open yourself up to the alien environment and and

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<v Speaker 1>the sea of unknown possibilities that could come flooding in

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<v Speaker 1>upon you. Right. One thing to keep in mind here

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<v Speaker 1>is that that we're definitely looking at why you should

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<v Speaker 1>keep that that helmet on and the dangers that are

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<v Speaker 1>inherent to any any kind of alien environment we might experience. However,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like an important caveat to all this is

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<v Speaker 1>that anytime we're looking at a fictional people landing on

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<v Speaker 1>a fictional world, and taking their helmet off. I always

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<v Speaker 1>have to wonder, Okay, would any sufficiently advanced civilization capable

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<v Speaker 1>of not only interplanetary but interstellar travel, would they have

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<v Speaker 1>all that worked out? Like, would they have sufficient scanning

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<v Speaker 1>technology to know just like down to the finest detail

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<v Speaker 1>that the air was breathable? Uh? Well, without spoiling too

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<v Speaker 1>much about Alien Covenant, obviously they don't know that. But

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<v Speaker 1>they're also religious fanatics. Not to have played David's advocate

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<v Speaker 1>too much, but but they are. They are driven by

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<v Speaker 1>by religious optimism in that film. So what you're saying,

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<v Speaker 1>Robert is you're a little more gung ho. I think

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you're saying, breathe in, breathe in, Brothers. I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 1>that if the tap, if your technology is not picking

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<v Speaker 1>it up, if there's a danger out there that you're

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<v Speaker 1>interstellar technology is incapable of picking up on, let it

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<v Speaker 1>act fast. Because movies movie movies like Alien Covenant show

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<v Speaker 1>it's like there's no there's no real victory, And being

0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:38.840
<v Speaker 1>a survivor, it's better to be that that individual that

0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.000
<v Speaker 1>gets that has something jumped out of him rather quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>Right at least you go out with a with a

0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:47.240
<v Speaker 1>burst yeah, a big chesty burst. Okay, well, so maybe

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<v Speaker 1>we should start by just acknowledging the concept of a

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<v Speaker 1>space suit. Yeah, it's kind of it's kind of easy

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<v Speaker 1>to forget why we have them because we end up

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<v Speaker 1>just focusing on how cool they look most of the time. Right, So,

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<v Speaker 1>a space suit is I think I remember reading a

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<v Speaker 1>NASA resource at some point a long time ago that

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<v Speaker 1>put it like this, and it was it's a spacecraft

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<v Speaker 1>for one person. Yeah, that's a good way of putting it. Uh. So,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, the extra vehicular mobility units that are worn

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<v Speaker 1>by astronauts. When you've got to go outside and perform

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<v Speaker 1>external work on the International Space Station and do a spacewalk,

0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:24.800
<v Speaker 1>you put this suit on and it cools your body

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<v Speaker 1>it uh. It supplies you with oxygen and breathable atmosphere.

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<v Speaker 1>It purges the CEO two that you exhale when you're

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<v Speaker 1>out there. Uh. It shields you from radiation, It shields

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<v Speaker 1>you from impacts from space debris. So, and these are

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<v Speaker 1>all very important things. But another important aspect of any

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<v Speaker 1>type of suit for extra vehicular activity when you're out

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<v Speaker 1>exploring the cosmos is that it's a contained environment. It's

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to create a sealed barrier between external conditions and

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<v Speaker 1>internal conditions. So this sort of means making the inside

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<v Speaker 1>of the suit as earth like as possible, no matter

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<v Speaker 1>what the outside of the suit is. And of course

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<v Speaker 1>this would also mean keeping out things that really just

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<v Speaker 1>don't go well with your Earth adapted biology, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>for and dust, gas, particles, radiation, and potentially life. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it comes back to the idea of like the spacecraft itself,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's the idea that we as humans evolved not

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<v Speaker 1>only to live on Earth, but to live within a

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<v Speaker 1>very um thin portion of the atmosphere and under very

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<v Speaker 1>specific environmental settings. And uh and and so there are

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<v Speaker 1>places on our own Earth whereof we we go, we perish,

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<v Speaker 1>and therefore we have to we have to bring part

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<v Speaker 1>of our world with us, even if it's just a

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<v Speaker 1>skin layer in a suit. Yeah. Now I can totally

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<v Speaker 1>understand the impulse to want to take the space suit off.

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<v Speaker 1>I can imagine if I was somebody colonizing an exoplanet

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<v Speaker 1>that was, you know, that we thought would be habitable,

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<v Speaker 1>that we could start living there. Obviously, protocols would be

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<v Speaker 1>to maintain that seal, to to keep the quarantine as

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<v Speaker 1>long as there was any doubt whatsoever that what was

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<v Speaker 1>outside could hurt us. But you just can't live that way, right,

0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:13.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, anytime you go outside, you've got to wear

0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:16.760
<v Speaker 1>the suit. You you can't touch the rocks in the trees,

0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:22.120
<v Speaker 1>you can't interact by contact, by respiration, by anything except

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<v Speaker 1>through this barrier with the planet you live on. That

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like a horrible existence. Well, I don't know, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>environmental standards are changing a little every day, Joe, So

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<v Speaker 1>we'll check back in on this in a few years. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess now we should get into the five

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<v Speaker 1>reasons that we've come up with, at least why you

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<v Speaker 1>should really not want to take your helmet off on

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<v Speaker 1>an alien planet. Would be a good list to have,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in in in reduced form as a sticker

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<v Speaker 1>on the inside of your helmet. And then if when

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<v Speaker 1>you're tempted to, when you're overcome by the beauty of

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<v Speaker 1>you know, exo planet. I love it when an exo

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<v Speaker 1>planet has a nice diaby lollical name like uh in

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<v Speaker 1>Furness b yeah or Mantibolga six, so you know, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>it happens to be when you when you land there

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<v Speaker 1>and you think, Ah, this place with this uh, this

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<v Speaker 1>creepy name is actually rather beautiful. I'm gonna get a

0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:16.640
<v Speaker 1>breath of fresh air. Look to the lower left hand

0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:20.240
<v Speaker 1>portion of your visor and go through this list. Pope

0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:26.600
<v Speaker 1>satan Alpi six e. Alright, so reason number one is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be the obvious one, the one that you

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<v Speaker 1>probably don't even need to think about. It's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>atmospheric gas. Right. Can I breathe this atmosphere that I

0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:39.040
<v Speaker 1>am seemingly moving through? And we should be generous. This

0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:42.199
<v Speaker 1>is one that sci fi almost always takes care of.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a line in the script where somebody says, atmospheric

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<v Speaker 1>conditions nominal the air, we can breathe it. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>worth looking at what the atmospheres of other planets generally

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<v Speaker 1>look like. Jean Paul Starchas said, you know, Hell is

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<v Speaker 1>other people once you start looking beyond Earth. I propose

0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:02.959
<v Speaker 1>an update, which is Hell is other people's planets because

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<v Speaker 1>we are just so tightly adapted to the Earth biosphere

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<v Speaker 1>and and uh, and it's very particular balance of gases,

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<v Speaker 1>and to upset that balance significantly would be to change

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<v Speaker 1>the properties of Earth, and thus to change the biosphere

0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:19.720
<v Speaker 1>so we need our atmosphere to be the way it

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<v Speaker 1>is seventy eight percent nitrogen, one percent oxygen, about point

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<v Speaker 1>nine percent are gone, and point one percent trace gases,

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<v Speaker 1>primarily carbon dioxide, plus a lot of variation in water

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<v Speaker 1>vapor in the air. Now, we don't know exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>the atmospheres of terrestrial exoplanets are going to be. We

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<v Speaker 1>know we can see some gas giants orbiting other stars

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<v Speaker 1>in the galaxy, and those of course are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be composed generally like gas giants are like, they'll have

0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:51.200
<v Speaker 1>hydrogen and helium atmospheres. But as far as the terrestrial

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<v Speaker 1>exoplanets are go out there, we we don't know exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what their atmospheres are going to be. Like. If you

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<v Speaker 1>look at other terrestrial planets in our Solar system, you

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<v Speaker 1>do start to get a picture that might be local

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<v Speaker 1>to us, but we don't know. Venus atmosphere is about

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<v Speaker 1>carbon dioxide. Yeah, not good, not so nice. Mars has

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<v Speaker 1>an incredibly thin atmosphere. It's you know, a one percent

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<v Speaker 1>or kind of atmosphere, and what's there is about carbon dioxide. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And of course of Venus to the reality is that

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<v Speaker 1>if you're breathing that on the surface. You're essentially standing

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<v Speaker 1>in a pressure cooker too, yes, so so yeah, But

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<v Speaker 1>you're just talking about just the breathe ability of the air, right. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And even if you arrived on Earth at a different

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<v Speaker 1>point in Earth's history, you would have encountered a very

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<v Speaker 1>different atmosphere on the primeval surface of Earth, say about

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<v Speaker 1>four billion years ago, we also had an atmosphere of

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<v Speaker 1>much higher CEO two concentration before the biogenic oxygenation of

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<v Speaker 1>Earth about two billion years ago you had the original terraforming. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>carbon dioxide is obviously not good to breathe. That is

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<v Speaker 1>what you exhale. It's a waste product of of human respiration,

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<v Speaker 1>and breathing it in can lead to bad effects at

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<v Speaker 1>low concentrations and death or asphyxiation or poisoning high concentrations.

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<v Speaker 1>I found an interesting chart put together based on research

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<v Speaker 1>on carbon dioxide toxicity, and the chart was made by

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<v Speaker 1>the International Volcanic Health Hazard Network, and it's got a

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<v Speaker 1>sort of ascending scale of CEO two concentration in the

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<v Speaker 1>air you're breathing and what the effects would be. So

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<v Speaker 1>they say, you know, two to three percent of air,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not really going to notice what's going on. But

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<v Speaker 1>there will be a shortness of breath if you exert yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>If at three percent exposure, you're breathing gets deeper, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>three to five percent exposure, you're breathing rhythm speeds up

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<v Speaker 1>and you might get headaches. At five percent exposure, your

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<v Speaker 1>breathing gets really labored. You're gonna have headaches, sweating, heavy pulse.

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<v Speaker 1>At seven point five percent exposure, you're gonna have really

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<v Speaker 1>rapid breathing, increased heart rate, headaches, sweating, dizziness, shortness of breath,

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<v Speaker 1>loss of strengthen the muscles, probably some mental fuzziness, like

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<v Speaker 1>inability to work things out in your head. You're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get sleepy and hear ringing in your ears. At eight

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<v Speaker 1>you get the really bad stuff vertigo, vomiting, loss of consciousness, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>possibly death in this range, and then at you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have convulsions, rapid loss of consciousness and death. And of

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<v Speaker 1>course this is a situation too in control environments where

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<v Speaker 1>the CEO two level can can creep up. If if

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<v Speaker 1>things are are are out of wax, says in a

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<v Speaker 1>submarine environment, yeah, or in the space shuttle or or

0:22:47.320 --> 0:22:49.840
<v Speaker 1>like the Apollo spacecraft. If you don't have your CEO

0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:52.760
<v Speaker 1>too scrubbers working, you are in for a world of pain.

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<v Speaker 1>And so, as we said earlier, this is something the

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<v Speaker 1>sci fi movies usually do address. They're not just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>land on a plan it with the carbon dioxide atmosphere,

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<v Speaker 1>opened the doors and say breathe in. Well, unless it's

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like it. It It happened all the time and

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<v Speaker 1>Trek though, right, what they just beamed down somewhere and

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<v Speaker 1>they couldn't breathe. I don't know. I mean, it's been

0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:14.200
<v Speaker 1>a long time since I've really mainlined some Trek, but

0:23:14.520 --> 0:23:16.600
<v Speaker 1>it seems like they're always just breathing the heck out

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<v Speaker 1>of any atmosphere they came across, like every world was breathable. Uh,

0:23:21.200 --> 0:23:23.920
<v Speaker 1>And maybe there's maybe there was always an explanation or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe there's you know, some sort of transhumanist read where

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<v Speaker 1>they've all had like an operation that makes them able

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<v Speaker 1>to breathe carbon dioxide. Yeah, Like if if this were

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<v Speaker 1>Banks's Culture series, I'm sure that would be the explanation. Well, okay,

0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:37.760
<v Speaker 1>they're members of the culture and their their body is

0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:42.199
<v Speaker 1>automatically adjusting to some different atmospheric condition. Yeah, but I

0:23:42.240 --> 0:23:45.399
<v Speaker 1>wanna posit that you should still be careful here. So

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<v Speaker 1>imagine you are in this sci fi spaceship and you've

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<v Speaker 1>arrived at a planet and they analyzed the atmosphere. Hopefully

0:23:51.840 --> 0:23:54.399
<v Speaker 1>they've analyzed it before you went to the planet, because

0:23:54.480 --> 0:23:57.359
<v Speaker 1>they can do that via the spectral analysis of the

0:23:57.800 --> 0:24:00.399
<v Speaker 1>colors of light they reflect off of it. But you

0:24:00.440 --> 0:24:04.000
<v Speaker 1>should arrive there, and will you arrive there and they say, okay,

0:24:04.000 --> 0:24:07.320
<v Speaker 1>oxygen atmosphere, you can breathe it, it still might not

0:24:07.440 --> 0:24:10.359
<v Speaker 1>be safe to take that suit off, even just in

0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:14.719
<v Speaker 1>terms of atmospheric gas, because even though ambient carbon dioxide

0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:17.360
<v Speaker 1>levels might not be at a concentration to cause poisoning

0:24:17.480 --> 0:24:22.320
<v Speaker 1>or asphyxiation, there could be other possibilities of localized events.

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<v Speaker 1>So one thing I want to point out is on

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<v Speaker 1>August one night, there was one of the weirdest and

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<v Speaker 1>most tragic natural disasters in modern history. And this was

0:24:34.640 --> 0:24:37.879
<v Speaker 1>near Lake Nyos in Cameroon. Robert, I think you've probably

0:24:37.880 --> 0:24:39.680
<v Speaker 1>read about this before. I believe there's a House to

0:24:39.800 --> 0:24:42.040
<v Speaker 1>Works article on this. There is, there is. This is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things I looked at. So Lake Nios

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<v Speaker 1>is a crater lake. It's resulting from volcanic eruption several

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<v Speaker 1>hundred years ago, and on this day in August ninety six,

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<v Speaker 1>the lake suddenly exploded. The lake exploded, sending towers of

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<v Speaker 1>water up into the air, and it produced this cloud

0:24:59.760 --> 0:25:02.480
<v Speaker 1>of gas that rushed out of the lake into the

0:25:02.480 --> 0:25:07.320
<v Speaker 1>surrounding countryside, and it ended up killing more than people

0:25:07.840 --> 0:25:11.040
<v Speaker 1>in the nearby town of Nios. Nearly every person was killed.

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<v Speaker 1>Only six people survived, and the killer was carbon dioxide. Now,

0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:20.399
<v Speaker 1>lakes and volcanic craters often accumulate dissolved carbon dioxide in

0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:23.320
<v Speaker 1>the water, but in most cases it gets absorbed into

0:25:23.320 --> 0:25:27.119
<v Speaker 1>the atmosphere more gradually, right it rises up and gets released.

0:25:28.200 --> 0:25:30.080
<v Speaker 1>In this case, it looks like what happened is that

0:25:30.160 --> 0:25:32.840
<v Speaker 1>the water under high pressure at the bottom of this

0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:36.560
<v Speaker 1>lake began to accumulate more and more dissolved CEO two

0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:40.480
<v Speaker 1>it really high concentrations without ever releasing it. And then

0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:43.800
<v Speaker 1>some unknown event could have been a small earthquake or

0:25:43.880 --> 0:25:47.439
<v Speaker 1>in anything, it caused the lake to suddenly release all

0:25:47.480 --> 0:25:50.359
<v Speaker 1>that carbon dioxide at once, and this massive cloud of

0:25:50.400 --> 0:25:53.320
<v Speaker 1>poison gas that traveled at about sixty miles per hour

0:25:53.440 --> 0:25:56.840
<v Speaker 1>across the surface of the land. So fortunately, now that

0:25:56.920 --> 0:25:59.280
<v Speaker 1>lake has de gassing pipes, and it's got an alarm

0:25:59.359 --> 0:26:02.159
<v Speaker 1>system that monitors the CEO two at the bottom of

0:26:02.200 --> 0:26:04.919
<v Speaker 1>the lake water, meaning you can prevent something like this

0:26:05.000 --> 0:26:07.640
<v Speaker 1>from happening in the future. But it goes to show

0:26:07.720 --> 0:26:10.959
<v Speaker 1>that local atmospheric conditions can be altered in a very

0:26:11.080 --> 0:26:14.960
<v Speaker 1>deadly way at a moment's notice. So if you're walking

0:26:14.960 --> 0:26:18.600
<v Speaker 1>around on a rocky alien planet with breatheable oxygen atmosphere,

0:26:18.760 --> 0:26:22.720
<v Speaker 1>should you also consider the frequency and location of geological

0:26:22.800 --> 0:26:26.880
<v Speaker 1>outgassing of this type? Yeah? Yeah, this sounds very much

0:26:26.920 --> 0:26:29.280
<v Speaker 1>like a planet that might be encountered in the chronicles

0:26:29.280 --> 0:26:35.159
<v Speaker 1>of Riddick World, like a a a regular you know,

0:26:35.160 --> 0:26:39.640
<v Speaker 1>occurrence that they can sort of plan the action scene around. Yeah, like, oh, everybody,

0:26:39.680 --> 0:26:41.760
<v Speaker 1>since you start going off. It starts going off because

0:26:41.880 --> 0:26:44.240
<v Speaker 1>a big CEO two surge is about to occur, and

0:26:44.280 --> 0:26:46.280
<v Speaker 1>then they're having to stop in the fight sequence and

0:26:46.280 --> 0:26:48.879
<v Speaker 1>get their masks on. Can I admit something you're probably

0:26:48.880 --> 0:26:50.679
<v Speaker 1>gonna hate me for was that I've never seen a

0:26:50.720 --> 0:26:53.040
<v Speaker 1>Riddick movie. Oh you've got a remedy to this joke,

0:26:53.080 --> 0:26:55.840
<v Speaker 1>at least with the first two. Yeah, how many are there?

0:26:55.960 --> 0:27:00.880
<v Speaker 1>So wait, it's it's pitch Black, Chronicles Narnia, ridic Chriticles

0:27:00.880 --> 0:27:03.800
<v Speaker 1>of Narnia, Ridica, uh, and what else? There's more after

0:27:03.880 --> 0:27:05.919
<v Speaker 1>I think that the third one is just Riddick, and

0:27:05.960 --> 0:27:08.880
<v Speaker 1>then then it's just ridd It's gonna be ridd or Dick.

0:27:08.920 --> 0:27:11.480
<v Speaker 1>And the next one, I guess, um, yeah, I mean

0:27:11.480 --> 0:27:14.000
<v Speaker 1>the first one. The first one is a fun action

0:27:14.080 --> 0:27:18.280
<v Speaker 1>film with some cool critters in it. Uh, and then

0:27:18.320 --> 0:27:20.679
<v Speaker 1>many people hold it up just as an objectively, you know,

0:27:20.800 --> 0:27:25.080
<v Speaker 1>good sci fi action flick. Yeah, the monsters are good

0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:28.720
<v Speaker 1>in that one. The second one is a bit silly,

0:27:28.760 --> 0:27:32.439
<v Speaker 1>a little flash gordiny. But but I actually probably enjoyed

0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:36.080
<v Speaker 1>that one the most just because it plays it plays

0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:38.680
<v Speaker 1>two things I like, and the kind of a goofy

0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:42.760
<v Speaker 1>um a space opera scenario. Yeah, and the villain. And

0:27:42.760 --> 0:27:45.720
<v Speaker 1>that one's really good too. Yeah, yeah, okay, I'll have

0:27:45.760 --> 0:27:48.480
<v Speaker 1>to check it out. But they often encounter this scenario

0:27:48.560 --> 0:27:50.600
<v Speaker 1>where like in the first one, the whole deal is

0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:55.400
<v Speaker 1>that the planet has these uh, these these plot centric

0:27:56.280 --> 0:27:58.600
<v Speaker 1>periods of light and darkness, and the monsters only come

0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:00.719
<v Speaker 1>out of night. But when to make the next one,

0:28:00.760 --> 0:28:04.439
<v Speaker 1>they should definitely consider a an explosive CEO two planet

0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:07.000
<v Speaker 1>because I can I can picture it working beautifully. Well,

0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:09.400
<v Speaker 1>that is one thing I guess we don't know. So

0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:11.440
<v Speaker 1>in this episode we're going to be raising things that

0:28:11.480 --> 0:28:14.920
<v Speaker 1>could be possibilities on unknown planets, but we don't really

0:28:14.960 --> 0:28:18.639
<v Speaker 1>know if there are planets out there where there is

0:28:18.920 --> 0:28:22.800
<v Speaker 1>very frequent c O two out gassing all over the planet.

0:28:23.320 --> 0:28:26.080
<v Speaker 1>On Earth, this can happen, and we've just shown examples

0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:28.080
<v Speaker 1>of how it can be deadly, but it doesn't happen

0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:30.800
<v Speaker 1>all that often. It's not like if you're just generally

0:28:30.920 --> 0:28:34.000
<v Speaker 1>landing on the surface, you'd expect to encounter that, because yeah,

0:28:34.000 --> 0:28:36.159
<v Speaker 1>you can imagine a scenario in which this is this

0:28:36.240 --> 0:28:38.719
<v Speaker 1>is every day. This is just a regular part of

0:28:38.840 --> 0:28:41.640
<v Speaker 1>life on Chernobyl six or whatever the name of the

0:28:41.640 --> 0:28:44.120
<v Speaker 1>planet is, and a human is just not going to

0:28:44.160 --> 0:28:47.080
<v Speaker 1>be evolved to survive that, right uh. And and it

0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:50.080
<v Speaker 1>is something that you might expect to happen on geologically

0:28:50.080 --> 0:28:52.040
<v Speaker 1>active planets all over the place. So you've got an

0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:55.560
<v Speaker 1>icy mantle, it's got materials in it, like a CEO

0:28:55.680 --> 0:29:00.600
<v Speaker 1>two or sulfur dioxide that erupting clouds that disperse the surface.

0:29:01.080 --> 0:29:03.840
<v Speaker 1>And it's true on Earth lots of the deaths that

0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:08.080
<v Speaker 1>are due to volcanic eruptions and other geologic events like

0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:10.680
<v Speaker 1>that are not always from the things you think of

0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:14.000
<v Speaker 1>like lava flows, mud and pyroclastic flows and ash fall,

0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:18.160
<v Speaker 1>but due to poison gas, inhalation and suffocation. And you

0:29:18.160 --> 0:29:20.360
<v Speaker 1>can even see that there are other objects in our

0:29:20.360 --> 0:29:23.080
<v Speaker 1>Solar system that have eruptions like this, like Jupiter's moon,

0:29:23.120 --> 0:29:26.600
<v Speaker 1>Io is incredibly geologically active, is full of volcanoes on

0:29:26.600 --> 0:29:29.960
<v Speaker 1>its surface that erupt with sulfurous glee. Yeah, and on

0:29:30.040 --> 0:29:31.560
<v Speaker 1>this other world they just might be used to it.

0:29:31.600 --> 0:29:34.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm reminded of the scene on The Simpsons where Marge

0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:37.720
<v Speaker 1>just casually it's a Treehouse of Horror episode where March

0:29:37.840 --> 0:29:40.240
<v Speaker 1>just casually says, Oh, it's the fog that turns people

0:29:40.280 --> 0:29:44.080
<v Speaker 1>inside out, creeping in, you know, and and in this world, Yeah,

0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:46.200
<v Speaker 1>that's just the fog that turns people inside out. It

0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:49.320
<v Speaker 1>just happens every now and then. It's just how life goes.

0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:53.600
<v Speaker 1>And uh, either you're you're evolved to to roll with

0:29:53.600 --> 0:29:55.640
<v Speaker 1>the punches or you're not. That's they sing a song

0:29:55.720 --> 0:29:58.760
<v Speaker 1>that they just one sniff of that fog and you're

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:03.000
<v Speaker 1>hide out. Yeah, it's a big dance number with a

0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:05.400
<v Speaker 1>dog in it. Yeah, and come of going after Abe

0:30:05.440 --> 0:30:10.280
<v Speaker 1>Simpson's exposed visra Yeah, good times anyway, Okay, well, there

0:30:10.280 --> 0:30:12.480
<v Speaker 1>are some possibilities, but I think we should take a

0:30:12.520 --> 0:30:14.240
<v Speaker 1>quick break, and when we come back we will look

0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:25.320
<v Speaker 1>at probably the biggest thing to consider. All Right, we're back, So, Robert,

0:30:25.360 --> 0:30:27.800
<v Speaker 1>we assume that the gases of the atmosphere on our

0:30:27.800 --> 0:30:31.160
<v Speaker 1>exoplanet are safe. We we want to explore or colonize.

0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:34.800
<v Speaker 1>We've thoroughly checked it out. It has a breathable atmosphere

0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:38.320
<v Speaker 1>with oxygen. We've checked his geological activity. It's not going

0:30:38.360 --> 0:30:41.720
<v Speaker 1>to be belching poison gas on us constantly wherever we land.

0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:45.720
<v Speaker 1>We're we're pretty confident about the gas quality itself. Should

0:30:45.760 --> 0:30:48.560
<v Speaker 1>we just take the helmet off now? Well, then we're

0:30:48.600 --> 0:30:50.840
<v Speaker 1>getting into, yeah that the next big worry is going

0:30:50.880 --> 0:30:52.560
<v Speaker 1>to be what if there's some something in the air,

0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:56.200
<v Speaker 1>some sort of life form, be it alien spores, some

0:30:56.200 --> 0:30:58.600
<v Speaker 1>sort of alien disease. I have no idea what I'm

0:30:58.600 --> 0:31:01.000
<v Speaker 1>about to breathe in, right, right, So this is reason

0:31:01.080 --> 0:31:04.240
<v Speaker 1>number two pathogens. Obviously, it's not going to be spoiling

0:31:04.320 --> 0:31:06.640
<v Speaker 1>much about alien Covenant to say that this plays a

0:31:06.760 --> 0:31:09.080
<v Speaker 1>role in there. It's there in the trailers. You know

0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:13.520
<v Speaker 1>what aliens about. But in our so are we. We

0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:16.160
<v Speaker 1>did a live episode from September last year which was

0:31:16.160 --> 0:31:18.720
<v Speaker 1>Stuff to Blow Your Mind Live. Actually we put the

0:31:18.760 --> 0:31:21.320
<v Speaker 1>franchise title before the colon in that one day did

0:31:22.080 --> 0:31:25.040
<v Speaker 1>we did Stuff to Able Your Mind Live colon something

0:31:25.080 --> 0:31:27.360
<v Speaker 1>about Star Trek I think was the title. I mean

0:31:27.480 --> 0:31:30.600
<v Speaker 1>so many crows today, man. So yeah, it was Stuff

0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:33.920
<v Speaker 1>to Blew Your Mind Live Prime directives and planetary contamination.

0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:36.800
<v Speaker 1>And what we talked about in that episode was uh

0:31:37.120 --> 0:31:41.760
<v Speaker 1>NASA protocols for preventing cross contamination of life forms between

0:31:41.760 --> 0:31:45.360
<v Speaker 1>different planets, and that that follows up on Article nine

0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:48.360
<v Speaker 1>of the United Nations Outer Space Treaty, which contains the

0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:52.160
<v Speaker 1>following language. Parties to the Treaty shall pursue studies of

0:31:52.240 --> 0:31:55.920
<v Speaker 1>outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, to

0:31:56.000 --> 0:31:59.440
<v Speaker 1>conduct exploration of them so as to avoid their harmful

0:31:59.520 --> 0:32:03.400
<v Speaker 1>contempt a nation and also adverse changes in the environment

0:32:03.400 --> 0:32:07.880
<v Speaker 1>of Earth resulting from the introduction of extraterrestrial matter, and

0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:12.440
<v Speaker 1>where necessary, shall adopt appropriate measures for this purpose. Yeah,

0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:14.480
<v Speaker 1>and this comes down to the idea that sure, if

0:32:14.480 --> 0:32:17.560
<v Speaker 1>we went to the Klingon homeworld. Maybe we couldn't catch

0:32:18.240 --> 0:32:21.000
<v Speaker 1>the Klingon flu or whatever kind of ailment it happens

0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:24.640
<v Speaker 1>to be. Maybe, but could but maybe even if we couldn't, Yeah,

0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:27.440
<v Speaker 1>what could we do? Right? Yeah? But the idea too

0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:29.480
<v Speaker 1>is that we only have this one model of life,

0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:31.640
<v Speaker 1>and we have to sort of work forward with the

0:32:31.640 --> 0:32:34.480
<v Speaker 1>assumption that any kind of life that evolves in another

0:32:34.520 --> 0:32:37.440
<v Speaker 1>world is going to be Uh is the potential to

0:32:37.480 --> 0:32:40.800
<v Speaker 1>be a comfortable system? Right? We even if we couldn't

0:32:40.840 --> 0:32:43.520
<v Speaker 1>get germs from them, what if we could give germs

0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:46.840
<v Speaker 1>to them? So? Yeah, those are the two primary concerns

0:32:46.880 --> 0:32:51.040
<v Speaker 1>mentioned their forward contamination and bat contamination. Forward contamination is

0:32:51.080 --> 0:32:56.240
<v Speaker 1>this ethical scientific concern against contaminating other planets with Earth life,

0:32:56.280 --> 0:33:00.000
<v Speaker 1>which could potentially harm any microbes that already exists there

0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:02.880
<v Speaker 1>or obviously large organisms. But if there is anything like

0:33:02.920 --> 0:33:05.680
<v Speaker 1>that around us, we don't see it, or it could

0:33:05.680 --> 0:33:09.040
<v Speaker 1>be damaging the integrity of future scientific research on that

0:33:09.120 --> 0:33:10.840
<v Speaker 1>planet or moon, Like if you want to go there

0:33:10.880 --> 0:33:13.480
<v Speaker 1>later and try to figure out if there's any indigenous life,

0:33:13.480 --> 0:33:16.000
<v Speaker 1>you might have ruined your chances if you spread Earth

0:33:16.080 --> 0:33:19.600
<v Speaker 1>life all over it. But the other concern is more

0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:23.560
<v Speaker 1>akin to what we're looking at today, which is back contamination.

0:33:23.960 --> 0:33:26.440
<v Speaker 1>And this is based more on self preservation. We don't

0:33:26.480 --> 0:33:31.760
<v Speaker 1>want to endanger Earth life by accidentally returning alien pathogens

0:33:31.880 --> 0:33:35.400
<v Speaker 1>or other dangerous life forms to our home planet. Now,

0:33:35.400 --> 0:33:38.240
<v Speaker 1>of course, the primary relevance of this in the Outer

0:33:38.280 --> 0:33:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Space Treaty and in NASA protocols is the planets that

0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:44.000
<v Speaker 1>are within reach of us, right which, as far as

0:33:44.040 --> 0:33:46.840
<v Speaker 1>we can tell, look fairly devoid of life. We we

0:33:46.920 --> 0:33:50.160
<v Speaker 1>might get a surprise, but we're not seeing anything running

0:33:50.160 --> 0:33:53.440
<v Speaker 1>around on the surface. What would happen if we tried

0:33:53.480 --> 0:33:57.240
<v Speaker 1>to apply the bio containment principles to a planet that's

0:33:57.280 --> 0:34:00.400
<v Speaker 1>obviously teeming with life. If we go to an alien

0:34:00.440 --> 0:34:04.240
<v Speaker 1>world and there's stuff all over the surface that's reproducing,

0:34:04.840 --> 0:34:07.280
<v Speaker 1>should we feel safe to go down and walk around

0:34:07.280 --> 0:34:11.880
<v Speaker 1>with the helmet off and take in some air. I

0:34:11.880 --> 0:34:16.719
<v Speaker 1>would say maybe not. No. Okay, Well, there is an

0:34:16.840 --> 0:34:18.920
<v Speaker 1>article that I wanted to talk about I found in

0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:23.440
<v Speaker 1>Astrobiology magazine, and that's a magazine about the the hypothetical

0:34:23.480 --> 0:34:27.319
<v Speaker 1>study of of astro you know, applying astronomy principles to

0:34:27.360 --> 0:34:30.840
<v Speaker 1>other life forms around the around the galaxy. Obviously, we

0:34:30.880 --> 0:34:33.239
<v Speaker 1>don't know whether they exist, So it's all a lot

0:34:33.239 --> 0:34:35.680
<v Speaker 1>of hypothetical stuff, but it also deals with the origins

0:34:35.680 --> 0:34:39.399
<v Speaker 1>of life on Earth and microbial environments and things like that.

0:34:39.800 --> 0:34:43.440
<v Speaker 1>And the articles called alien Infection by Leslie Mullen from

0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:47.680
<v Speaker 1>August two thousand three and uh it draws in some

0:34:47.760 --> 0:34:50.440
<v Speaker 1>thoughts on the subject of whether we could be infected

0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:54.000
<v Speaker 1>by alien pathogens on another planet. So it cites the

0:34:54.000 --> 0:34:57.960
<v Speaker 1>American astrobiologist Christopher F. Chiba, and at the time he

0:34:57.960 --> 0:35:00.720
<v Speaker 1>held the Carl Sagan Chair at Setting. He's a professor

0:35:00.760 --> 0:35:04.920
<v Speaker 1>at Princeton. Chiba says, there are two potential types of

0:35:04.960 --> 0:35:08.120
<v Speaker 1>alien pathogens we need to worry about. One would be

0:35:08.239 --> 0:35:12.520
<v Speaker 1>toxic and the other would be infectious. Infectious are the

0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:15.200
<v Speaker 1>types of germs we share between us here on Earth.

0:35:15.320 --> 0:35:18.040
<v Speaker 1>They infect a host, they can be passed from host

0:35:18.120 --> 0:35:22.120
<v Speaker 1>to host, and they they are parasitizing your body in

0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:24.520
<v Speaker 1>a way. They're using your body to do something in

0:35:24.560 --> 0:35:28.920
<v Speaker 1>the reproductive cycle. Toxic pathogens would be merely those that

0:35:29.040 --> 0:35:32.320
<v Speaker 1>produce a poison or act as a poison that damages

0:35:32.400 --> 0:35:35.239
<v Speaker 1>the body, even if you're not the intended host of

0:35:35.280 --> 0:35:39.080
<v Speaker 1>this organism. So, first of all, there's some good news,

0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:42.839
<v Speaker 1>because we should think about how viruses and bacteria infectious

0:35:42.880 --> 0:35:46.160
<v Speaker 1>agents work here on Earth. The strain of a disease

0:35:46.280 --> 0:35:51.239
<v Speaker 1>that affects maybe dogs and chickens or even chimpanzees might

0:35:51.360 --> 0:35:54.759
<v Speaker 1>not infect humans. In fact, it often doesn't. Lots of

0:35:54.760 --> 0:35:58.840
<v Speaker 1>our parasites are co evolved, meaning they're they're finally tuned

0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:02.120
<v Speaker 1>to their preferred host organism. And in the same way,

0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:05.920
<v Speaker 1>animals evolved traits to live in a certain ecosystem. You know,

0:36:05.960 --> 0:36:09.000
<v Speaker 1>think away the hands and the feet and the tails

0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:13.320
<v Speaker 1>of tree dwelling primate specialized in climbing trees and hanging

0:36:13.360 --> 0:36:18.239
<v Speaker 1>from branches and swinging between branches that brackyation motion. Pathogens

0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:21.839
<v Speaker 1>evolved to certain ecosystems as well, but those ecosystems tend

0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:24.880
<v Speaker 1>to be the body of their primary host. Thus, if

0:36:24.920 --> 0:36:28.440
<v Speaker 1>you've got alien pathogens that are not specifically evolved to

0:36:28.480 --> 0:36:32.320
<v Speaker 1>colonize our bodies, they might not be able to. Then again,

0:36:32.360 --> 0:36:35.520
<v Speaker 1>this goes both ways. It seems unlikely that we would

0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:38.800
<v Speaker 1>encounter a space microbe finally tuned to infect our bodies,

0:36:38.880 --> 0:36:42.040
<v Speaker 1>but if we did, our immune systems would probably not

0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:46.000
<v Speaker 1>be finally tuned to defend against them. M that's true.

0:36:47.200 --> 0:36:49.799
<v Speaker 1>So what would this look like. So, for example, you've

0:36:49.840 --> 0:36:53.440
<v Speaker 1>got a microorganism that lives in the icy soil of Mars.

0:36:53.680 --> 0:36:56.120
<v Speaker 1>It might be able to get inside our bodies, but

0:36:56.280 --> 0:36:59.640
<v Speaker 1>the internal environments of our bodies that there are several options.

0:36:59.680 --> 0:37:02.040
<v Speaker 1>The our bodies might kill it, it might be too hot,

0:37:02.080 --> 0:37:05.560
<v Speaker 1>too wet, and it's just not how it's adapted. Alternately,

0:37:05.600 --> 0:37:08.840
<v Speaker 1>it could maybe occupy our bodies without really doing anything.

0:37:09.120 --> 0:37:11.440
<v Speaker 1>And you know, it could infect us, but it wouldn't

0:37:11.440 --> 0:37:15.520
<v Speaker 1>necessarily cause disease or illness, or rapidly reproduce, take over

0:37:15.520 --> 0:37:19.000
<v Speaker 1>our cells, or make toxic byproducts, or cause any other

0:37:19.080 --> 0:37:21.600
<v Speaker 1>kind of damage. But every now and then on Earth

0:37:21.800 --> 0:37:24.480
<v Speaker 1>there is one of these scary situations where a pathogen

0:37:24.520 --> 0:37:28.480
<v Speaker 1>that previously could only infect another type of animal crosses

0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:32.799
<v Speaker 1>the species barrier and becomes able to infect humans. And

0:37:32.840 --> 0:37:34.880
<v Speaker 1>so we wonder if the same thing could happen with

0:37:34.960 --> 0:37:38.120
<v Speaker 1>the microbes of another planet. So, like, if we're trying

0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:41.040
<v Speaker 1>to figure out how we could be attacked by microbes

0:37:41.120 --> 0:37:44.520
<v Speaker 1>that did not evolve to infect us, and that our

0:37:44.560 --> 0:37:47.440
<v Speaker 1>immune systems did not evolve to fight off, are there

0:37:47.480 --> 0:37:50.040
<v Speaker 1>any Earth parallels we could look to that would give

0:37:50.120 --> 0:37:52.759
<v Speaker 1>us an idea of what that war between us and

0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:55.160
<v Speaker 1>the microbes would look like, the author of this piece

0:37:55.200 --> 0:37:57.239
<v Speaker 1>does come up with an answer. So she talks to

0:37:57.480 --> 0:38:02.520
<v Speaker 1>John Rummel, NASA's former Planetary Action officer, and Rummel points out,

0:38:02.560 --> 0:38:04.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's one way to guess how our bodies

0:38:04.480 --> 0:38:07.319
<v Speaker 1>might be affected by microbes of other planets, and that's

0:38:07.360 --> 0:38:10.959
<v Speaker 1>to look at the effect of quote non specific microbes

0:38:11.160 --> 0:38:13.840
<v Speaker 1>on Earth, which is, are those that didn't co evolve

0:38:13.920 --> 0:38:17.080
<v Speaker 1>with the specific host. Now, one example would I think

0:38:17.120 --> 0:38:20.719
<v Speaker 1>fall more into the category I mentioned earlier of toxic bacteria,

0:38:20.760 --> 0:38:25.560
<v Speaker 1>and this would be the example of cyanobacteria. Cyanobacteria is

0:38:26.280 --> 0:38:28.239
<v Speaker 1>all over the place on Earth. It's also known as

0:38:28.280 --> 0:38:31.239
<v Speaker 1>blue green algae, even though it's not really algae, and

0:38:31.320 --> 0:38:33.400
<v Speaker 1>you find it everywhere you go. So if you're out

0:38:33.480 --> 0:38:36.640
<v Speaker 1>walking on a dock and you see blooms of this

0:38:37.080 --> 0:38:40.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of turquoise scums sloshing around against the dock, you

0:38:40.800 --> 0:38:44.400
<v Speaker 1>might be looking at blue green algae or cyanobacteria. So,

0:38:44.600 --> 0:38:50.279
<v Speaker 1>cyanobacteria are capable of producing biological poisons known as cyanotoxins,

0:38:50.719 --> 0:38:55.360
<v Speaker 1>for example, neurotoxins that attack the nervous system and hepatotoxins

0:38:55.440 --> 0:38:59.960
<v Speaker 1>that attack the liver and blooms of cyanobacteria in alpine lakes,

0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:02.000
<v Speaker 1>the article points out, have been linked to the deaths

0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:05.000
<v Speaker 1>of cattle in the area around the lakes, even though

0:39:05.040 --> 0:39:08.920
<v Speaker 1>it's not that the cyanobacteria evolved to infect the cattle,

0:39:09.280 --> 0:39:12.160
<v Speaker 1>and it's not that they're specifically trying to protect themselves

0:39:12.239 --> 0:39:15.440
<v Speaker 1>from being eaten by cattle. It's just that the cyanobacteria

0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:18.200
<v Speaker 1>is poisons are very general and they work across a

0:39:18.320 --> 0:39:21.400
<v Speaker 1>broad range of organisms. So in the same way that

0:39:21.440 --> 0:39:24.320
<v Speaker 1>you might have if you can imagine a large alien

0:39:24.440 --> 0:39:28.560
<v Speaker 1>creature with a spiked tail, Yes, spike is very very

0:39:28.640 --> 0:39:32.560
<v Speaker 1>broad in its application. It can cut into and decapitate

0:39:32.680 --> 0:39:37.400
<v Speaker 1>and disembowe varying types of life forms. Right, this is

0:39:37.400 --> 0:39:39.920
<v Speaker 1>a brilliant analogy. And uh and and the same for

0:39:40.080 --> 0:39:47.480
<v Speaker 1>just a a a sufficiently deadly um strain of sano bacteria. Right. Okay,

0:39:47.560 --> 0:39:50.080
<v Speaker 1>So it's not like if an alien had I don't know,

0:39:50.320 --> 0:39:55.560
<v Speaker 1>a human shaped iron maiden design specifically to pierce human bodies.

0:39:55.880 --> 0:39:58.600
<v Speaker 1>That might not work on some cosmic jellyfish or gas

0:39:58.680 --> 0:40:01.120
<v Speaker 1>planet somewhere. But if you just got a big spike

0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:03.200
<v Speaker 1>on your tail. Yeah, he can use it on pretty

0:40:03.280 --> 0:40:06.320
<v Speaker 1>much anything. Uh So, Yeah, that's a good comparison. But

0:40:06.400 --> 0:40:10.240
<v Speaker 1>another example would be going away from the toxicity example

0:40:10.320 --> 0:40:14.120
<v Speaker 1>and more towards the infectious example would be, uh, the

0:40:14.320 --> 0:40:18.560
<v Speaker 1>bacteria Seratia marcisns. And this is a rod shaped gram

0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:22.600
<v Speaker 1>negative bacterium that can be found infecting an extremely diverse

0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:25.799
<v Speaker 1>range of hosts. The article cites this is as one

0:40:25.840 --> 0:40:28.400
<v Speaker 1>example of something that sort of works from one end

0:40:28.440 --> 0:40:31.720
<v Speaker 1>of the evolutionary bush to another. It can infect humans,

0:40:31.800 --> 0:40:34.839
<v Speaker 1>of course, and sometimes it's responsible for infections that are

0:40:35.280 --> 0:40:38.360
<v Speaker 1>acquired in what's supposed to be a sterile environment, like

0:40:38.520 --> 0:40:42.080
<v Speaker 1>hospital acquired infections, but it can also infect everything from

0:40:42.160 --> 0:40:47.960
<v Speaker 1>fruit flies to coral Yeah. Crazy. So if there are

0:40:48.160 --> 0:40:51.840
<v Speaker 1>organisms on Earth that can be that generalized in in

0:40:51.960 --> 0:40:55.759
<v Speaker 1>the types of hosts they infect, you can imagine the

0:40:55.840 --> 0:40:59.200
<v Speaker 1>same thing being true of some guidance of alien microbes.

0:40:59.280 --> 0:41:02.040
<v Speaker 1>Now the different there might be even bigger because they

0:41:02.239 --> 0:41:05.480
<v Speaker 1>are not even part of our evolutionary tree. But if

0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:09.680
<v Speaker 1>we're similar enough as organisms, it's it's possible they could

0:41:09.719 --> 0:41:12.840
<v Speaker 1>infect us. Yeah, similar enough. I think that's where a

0:41:12.880 --> 0:41:16.120
<v Speaker 1>lot of the danger lies. And in this I want

0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:17.800
<v Speaker 1>to I want to touch on parasites for just a

0:41:17.880 --> 0:41:21.520
<v Speaker 1>little bit. Nice. So, so here's the thing. Taking into account, Yeah,

0:41:21.520 --> 0:41:25.160
<v Speaker 1>all the variables of conversion evolution on a foreign world. Um,

0:41:25.640 --> 0:41:28.000
<v Speaker 1>that's one thing, but I'm not sure the greatest worry

0:41:28.200 --> 0:41:31.440
<v Speaker 1>is that you would have a fine tune parasite taking

0:41:31.480 --> 0:41:33.399
<v Speaker 1>to it to our body the way that it has,

0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:37.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, evolved to take advantage of a host. Because

0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:39.920
<v Speaker 1>even on our own planet, in the midst of our

0:41:39.960 --> 0:41:43.439
<v Speaker 1>own ecosystem, we see the harmful and even fatal consequences

0:41:43.480 --> 0:41:47.920
<v Speaker 1>of the parasite just getting lost and perishing inside of

0:41:48.080 --> 0:41:50.200
<v Speaker 1>the wrong host or even you know, the right host.

0:41:50.320 --> 0:41:53.680
<v Speaker 1>It just gets turned around. Parasitic death by misadventure. Yeah,

0:41:53.880 --> 0:41:56.279
<v Speaker 1>there's a misadventure you've gotta be a war weary of.

0:41:56.760 --> 0:41:59.880
<v Speaker 1>For instance, the pork tape worm is a prime example

0:42:00.000 --> 0:42:03.319
<v Speaker 1>of this. Tell me more so it needs to hold on. Sorry,

0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:06.520
<v Speaker 1>Is this what you'd get from eating undercooked pork burgers? Yea, yeah,

0:42:06.600 --> 0:42:09.480
<v Speaker 1>that's the name the pork tape worm. So this is

0:42:09.560 --> 0:42:13.200
<v Speaker 1>a This is a parasite that needs to venture inside

0:42:13.280 --> 0:42:16.600
<v Speaker 1>a pig to complete its life cycle, but the eggs

0:42:16.680 --> 0:42:19.440
<v Speaker 1>often wind up inside of a human instead. The eggs

0:42:19.520 --> 0:42:23.200
<v Speaker 1>hatch the confused larva uh, don't make it to the

0:42:23.280 --> 0:42:27.000
<v Speaker 1>human intestines. Instead, they burrow into the bloodstream. They're swept

0:42:27.040 --> 0:42:29.960
<v Speaker 1>through the body, often winding up in the brain forming cysts.

0:42:30.360 --> 0:42:33.440
<v Speaker 1>And this can destruct brain functions, damage the brain. It

0:42:33.520 --> 0:42:37.919
<v Speaker 1>can cod's hydrocephalus and the result and it can also

0:42:37.960 --> 0:42:40.839
<v Speaker 1>result in brain hernia. Is the cause coma or death?

0:42:41.040 --> 0:42:44.480
<v Speaker 1>Whoa this is? This is like some alien stuff? Yeah? Yeah,

0:42:44.480 --> 0:42:46.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean really really, if you want to, if you

0:42:46.840 --> 0:42:49.920
<v Speaker 1>want to explore some just complex you know, not only

0:42:50.080 --> 0:42:53.839
<v Speaker 1>xenomorpho esque, but like even beyond that level of complexity.

0:42:54.480 --> 0:42:58.440
<v Speaker 1>In terms of life cycles, the parasitic world is phenomenal,

0:42:58.640 --> 0:43:02.799
<v Speaker 1>especially when you have these crazy easy branching um life

0:43:02.880 --> 0:43:08.919
<v Speaker 1>cycles that involve multiple organisms. It's it's delightfully grotesque stuff. Um. So, yeah,

0:43:09.000 --> 0:43:12.759
<v Speaker 1>you these parasites you encounter in another world, They or

0:43:12.880 --> 0:43:15.920
<v Speaker 1>the parasites cana encounter you and even enter you. And

0:43:16.040 --> 0:43:19.160
<v Speaker 1>maybe they don't have the they have not evolved to

0:43:19.280 --> 0:43:22.000
<v Speaker 1>fully take advantage of you and serve as a proper parasite.

0:43:22.400 --> 0:43:24.520
<v Speaker 1>But what if they could still get inside you and

0:43:24.560 --> 0:43:26.400
<v Speaker 1>they get they get lost, They don't know what to do.

0:43:27.000 --> 0:43:28.839
<v Speaker 1>This is actually something I thought of quite a bit

0:43:28.920 --> 0:43:32.200
<v Speaker 1>in viewing Alien Covenant, because we see a few different

0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:36.160
<v Speaker 1>horrific scenes where these neomorphs, these uh, these these white

0:43:36.320 --> 0:43:40.520
<v Speaker 1>sort of proto xenomorphic creatures, they burst out of the

0:43:40.600 --> 0:43:43.800
<v Speaker 1>infected person, like through the spine or through the mouth.

0:43:44.520 --> 0:43:47.160
<v Speaker 1>It's uh, it really gave me the idea of all

0:43:47.280 --> 0:43:49.359
<v Speaker 1>these poor things. They don't know where they are, these

0:43:49.400 --> 0:43:52.719
<v Speaker 1>poor creatures, they're just lost inside this human host, and

0:43:52.760 --> 0:43:54.960
<v Speaker 1>they're just trying to get out wherever they can. Yeah,

0:43:55.080 --> 0:43:57.439
<v Speaker 1>it's funny if you go back to the old alien movies.

0:43:57.480 --> 0:43:59.239
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's not funny. I don't know. If you go

0:43:59.280 --> 0:44:01.719
<v Speaker 1>back to the older alien movies, the aliens we see

0:44:01.719 --> 0:44:04.840
<v Speaker 1>in those movies have a much more highly specified life cycle.

0:44:05.480 --> 0:44:08.480
<v Speaker 1>They infect a person the same way every time, and

0:44:08.680 --> 0:44:11.160
<v Speaker 1>they emerge from a person the same way every time.

0:44:11.600 --> 0:44:15.200
<v Speaker 1>And these newer movies seem to be developing more more

0:44:15.320 --> 0:44:19.880
<v Speaker 1>general diversity in the way the alien organisms parasitize their hosts.

0:44:21.280 --> 0:44:24.719
<v Speaker 1>So again that's something to keep in mind. Uh My,

0:44:25.000 --> 0:44:28.040
<v Speaker 1>My basic point is the parasite need only gain access

0:44:28.400 --> 0:44:30.919
<v Speaker 1>to any of your major body systems or the body

0:44:31.000 --> 0:44:34.919
<v Speaker 1>cavity itself to really mess things up, So it's life

0:44:34.960 --> 0:44:40.520
<v Speaker 1>cycle might be might be doomed, But what about yours? Yeah,

0:44:40.600 --> 0:44:42.640
<v Speaker 1>so I think we should admit that we just don't

0:44:42.680 --> 0:44:45.440
<v Speaker 1>know what kind of dangers exists on real planets out there,

0:44:45.520 --> 0:44:48.200
<v Speaker 1>and to what extent we would be vulnerable to them

0:44:48.239 --> 0:44:53.239
<v Speaker 1>if they did. But the possibility space of fatal outcomes,

0:44:53.280 --> 0:44:56.200
<v Speaker 1>I would say, is vast, and we just don't know

0:44:56.360 --> 0:45:00.239
<v Speaker 1>what the probability of of real encounters is. Within that ace,

0:45:00.680 --> 0:45:03.120
<v Speaker 1>you could possibly have your body wrecked by an alien

0:45:03.200 --> 0:45:05.080
<v Speaker 1>parasite that doesn't know what to do with you, allow

0:45:05.200 --> 0:45:09.359
<v Speaker 1>the pork tape worm. You could effectively be infected by

0:45:09.400 --> 0:45:12.000
<v Speaker 1>a path of the pathogen that deems you close enough

0:45:12.120 --> 0:45:15.480
<v Speaker 1>to its ideal environment or host organism. Or you might

0:45:15.520 --> 0:45:19.200
<v Speaker 1>be poisoned by the toxic byproducts of defensive poisons in

0:45:19.239 --> 0:45:21.800
<v Speaker 1>a microbial life form that wants nothing to do with you.

0:45:22.680 --> 0:45:25.080
<v Speaker 1>But the story actually gets a little bit worse for

0:45:25.280 --> 0:45:29.520
<v Speaker 1>our intrepid colonists on this exo planet, because I want

0:45:29.560 --> 0:45:33.360
<v Speaker 1>to mention a couple things here that specifically have to

0:45:33.440 --> 0:45:36.359
<v Speaker 1>do with space travel. First of all, I'm sure you've

0:45:36.360 --> 0:45:39.680
<v Speaker 1>read about this Robert. Space travel jams up your immune system,

0:45:40.719 --> 0:45:42.960
<v Speaker 1>So for several years now, NASA has been studying the

0:45:43.000 --> 0:45:46.080
<v Speaker 1>effects of space flight on immune system responsive crew members

0:45:46.200 --> 0:45:48.960
<v Speaker 1>aboard the I S S. I've got a NASA news

0:45:49.040 --> 0:45:52.560
<v Speaker 1>piece here from August reporting the findings of the NASA

0:45:52.760 --> 0:45:57.640
<v Speaker 1>Integrated Immune Study and Clinical Nutrition Assessment, and so far

0:45:57.800 --> 0:46:00.279
<v Speaker 1>results have shown that astronauts have a problem one with

0:46:00.480 --> 0:46:05.160
<v Speaker 1>diminished immune capacity during their time on the I S S. Specifically,

0:46:05.680 --> 0:46:09.840
<v Speaker 1>NASA's Integrated Immune Studies showed that immune cells remained present

0:46:09.920 --> 0:46:13.680
<v Speaker 1>in the blood, but their activity was confused. Some cells

0:46:13.719 --> 0:46:17.480
<v Speaker 1>are overactive, other cells are underactive, and this leads to

0:46:17.560 --> 0:46:21.960
<v Speaker 1>a condition they refer to as asymptomatic viral shedding, which

0:46:22.040 --> 0:46:26.000
<v Speaker 1>means you've got dormant viruses inside your body that wake

0:46:26.120 --> 0:46:29.600
<v Speaker 1>up and become active once again without the host showing

0:46:29.680 --> 0:46:33.880
<v Speaker 1>normal symptoms of infection. And then in turn, this viral

0:46:34.000 --> 0:46:40.400
<v Speaker 1>reactivation triggers immune overreaction, leading to symptoms like allergies and rashes.

0:46:40.480 --> 0:46:43.560
<v Speaker 1>And so this is often times why you see you

0:46:43.680 --> 0:46:45.920
<v Speaker 1>might see people in the I S S like filming

0:46:46.080 --> 0:46:50.040
<v Speaker 1>videos and they look like they're having bad allergies. Yeah,

0:46:50.520 --> 0:46:52.560
<v Speaker 1>you know that this is a This touches on just

0:46:52.640 --> 0:46:57.640
<v Speaker 1>sort of the the general risk of course, interplanetary travel,

0:46:57.960 --> 0:47:01.000
<v Speaker 1>certainly interstellar travel is that it's not just you. You're

0:47:01.120 --> 0:47:05.640
<v Speaker 1>you're traveling from a hospitable world Earth to some inhospitable

0:47:05.680 --> 0:47:09.399
<v Speaker 1>world like diablow three. Uh you were you were trying

0:47:09.440 --> 0:47:13.880
<v Speaker 1>to get there. You have to travel a thoroughly inhospitable environment,

0:47:14.000 --> 0:47:18.520
<v Speaker 1>that of of of space, deep space without the protection

0:47:18.640 --> 0:47:21.000
<v Speaker 1>from well, this gets into you know, what kind of

0:47:21.040 --> 0:47:24.560
<v Speaker 1>technology would you have worked out to enable your trip,

0:47:25.040 --> 0:47:28.520
<v Speaker 1>but you know, not having a proper protection from radiation,

0:47:28.920 --> 0:47:32.200
<v Speaker 1>perhaps not having h you get into the mental realm

0:47:32.239 --> 0:47:35.040
<v Speaker 1>as well, like being isolated for extended periods of time,

0:47:35.080 --> 0:47:36.360
<v Speaker 1>like you get you're l able to show up at

0:47:36.400 --> 0:47:40.560
<v Speaker 1>that other world a little bit crazy sick without properly

0:47:40.719 --> 0:47:43.560
<v Speaker 1>functioning immune system, and then you still have to deal

0:47:43.800 --> 0:47:47.960
<v Speaker 1>with the rigors of a foreign biosphere. The idea is

0:47:48.040 --> 0:47:50.440
<v Speaker 1>that the day you meet a space microbe could be

0:47:50.560 --> 0:47:53.400
<v Speaker 1>the day your immune system is just about at its worst.

0:47:54.400 --> 0:47:58.840
<v Speaker 1>And so the article cites NASA immunologist Brian Crucian, who says, quote,

0:47:58.880 --> 0:48:02.440
<v Speaker 1>if the situation assisted for longer deep space missions, he's

0:48:02.480 --> 0:48:05.360
<v Speaker 1>talking about the the immune condition of people in the

0:48:05.440 --> 0:48:08.759
<v Speaker 1>I s s, it could possibly increased risk of infection,

0:48:08.920 --> 0:48:14.680
<v Speaker 1>hypersensitivity or autoimmune issues for exploration astronauts. Uh. And so

0:48:15.200 --> 0:48:17.680
<v Speaker 1>what causes this we don't fully know yet, but there

0:48:17.719 --> 0:48:21.360
<v Speaker 1>are a bunch of hypotheses. They focus on microgravity, stress,

0:48:22.040 --> 0:48:27.799
<v Speaker 1>lack of sleep uh, microbial environment or microbial exposure, isolation,

0:48:28.040 --> 0:48:31.399
<v Speaker 1>and exposure to radiation. On the plus side, I would

0:48:31.400 --> 0:48:34.000
<v Speaker 1>say all of these are things that we would hope,

0:48:34.160 --> 0:48:36.600
<v Speaker 1>as you just alluded to, Robert, you would be able

0:48:36.680 --> 0:48:40.200
<v Speaker 1>to address by the time we're an exoplanet colonizing species.

0:48:40.560 --> 0:48:43.160
<v Speaker 1>If you're trying to travel to exoplanets in a space

0:48:43.239 --> 0:48:46.400
<v Speaker 1>ship that doesn't have artificial gravity, that hasn't come up

0:48:46.400 --> 0:48:49.600
<v Speaker 1>with ways of dealing with radiation, exposure or stress, you've

0:48:49.640 --> 0:48:52.239
<v Speaker 1>got bigger problems. You know, you're you're probably not gonna

0:48:52.280 --> 0:48:54.320
<v Speaker 1>make it there. Yeah, I mean unless you're go in

0:48:54.400 --> 0:48:57.960
<v Speaker 1>with a sci fi scenario where basically everyone just needs

0:48:58.000 --> 0:48:59.880
<v Speaker 1>to get out of the pool. You know, everyone has

0:48:59.880 --> 0:49:01.640
<v Speaker 1>to get off of Earth and start on in these

0:49:01.680 --> 0:49:04.480
<v Speaker 1>colonies and it that's the motivation for getting there, is

0:49:04.560 --> 0:49:09.320
<v Speaker 1>that it's either go or perish totally. So that is

0:49:09.360 --> 0:49:11.200
<v Speaker 1>something we should keep in mind. The other thing I

0:49:11.280 --> 0:49:13.680
<v Speaker 1>had to mention so is space travel appears to make

0:49:13.760 --> 0:49:17.880
<v Speaker 1>us immuno compromised. Also, multiple studies have shown that space

0:49:17.960 --> 0:49:21.920
<v Speaker 1>flight conditions can increase the virulence of known pathogens. One

0:49:21.960 --> 0:49:26.279
<v Speaker 1>example would be Salmonella Tiffi mariam. So in some experiments,

0:49:26.280 --> 0:49:29.479
<v Speaker 1>when you took the strain of salmonella into space, once

0:49:29.560 --> 0:49:32.600
<v Speaker 1>it came back, it was more deadly to mice than

0:49:32.719 --> 0:49:35.800
<v Speaker 1>earth grown strains of the same bacterium. So if you

0:49:35.840 --> 0:49:38.440
<v Speaker 1>can imagine picking up a germ on an alien planet

0:49:38.920 --> 0:49:43.520
<v Speaker 1>and then ash overrides re Repley's quarantine procedure and you

0:49:43.640 --> 0:49:45.359
<v Speaker 1>get in the ship and take it back to space

0:49:45.440 --> 0:49:48.200
<v Speaker 1>with you, you could be making things even worse for yourself.

0:49:48.520 --> 0:49:50.160
<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, on that note, let's take a quick

0:49:50.160 --> 0:49:54.759
<v Speaker 1>break and when we come back we will discuss killer allergens.

0:49:57.000 --> 0:50:01.120
<v Speaker 1>Thank all, we're back, and I have to say, this

0:50:01.239 --> 0:50:03.600
<v Speaker 1>is an area that I had not really given much

0:50:03.640 --> 0:50:07.120
<v Speaker 1>thought off. When I think of risks on an alien world, um,

0:50:07.280 --> 0:50:09.520
<v Speaker 1>I tend to think of Yeah, I think of the atmosphere.

0:50:09.560 --> 0:50:13.320
<v Speaker 1>I think of diseases and foreign organisms. I think of

0:50:13.400 --> 0:50:14.759
<v Speaker 1>some of the things we're going to discuss in a bit,

0:50:14.840 --> 0:50:17.440
<v Speaker 1>like radiation. But the idea of just all my allergies

0:50:17.480 --> 0:50:23.080
<v Speaker 1>are acting up because um, because side is six. It's

0:50:23.160 --> 0:50:26.320
<v Speaker 1>just it's just really affecting my sinuses. Well again, I

0:50:26.440 --> 0:50:29.320
<v Speaker 1>just wanted to explore possibility space. So this is not

0:50:29.520 --> 0:50:33.200
<v Speaker 1>something that I think has been um widely explored. I

0:50:33.360 --> 0:50:35.560
<v Speaker 1>just want to think about it as a possibility. So

0:50:36.400 --> 0:50:38.920
<v Speaker 1>small bits of organic matter in the air, for example,

0:50:39.000 --> 0:50:41.840
<v Speaker 1>of the pollen of plants or other airborne life forms.

0:50:42.200 --> 0:50:45.040
<v Speaker 1>These are the kinds of allergens we encounter here on Earth,

0:50:45.120 --> 0:50:51.160
<v Speaker 1>and I wondered what people with allergic susceptibility might might

0:50:51.320 --> 0:50:54.719
<v Speaker 1>encounter on an alien planet. They might not be active pathogens,

0:50:54.800 --> 0:50:57.480
<v Speaker 1>they might not be germs trying to invade your body,

0:50:58.040 --> 0:51:00.759
<v Speaker 1>but that could make your body go haywire. That could

0:51:00.800 --> 0:51:04.239
<v Speaker 1>trigger this critical immune system response and and death by

0:51:04.360 --> 0:51:08.400
<v Speaker 1>asthma or anaphylaxis. So this process might not be as

0:51:08.520 --> 0:51:11.560
<v Speaker 1>speedy as some other dangers, but could represent a threat

0:51:11.600 --> 0:51:15.279
<v Speaker 1>to colonists who burned their helmets or otherwise open them

0:51:15.360 --> 0:51:19.560
<v Speaker 1>up and breathe deep of the alien biosphere. So to

0:51:19.840 --> 0:51:21.759
<v Speaker 1>look at whether this is a possibility, I think we

0:51:21.760 --> 0:51:24.520
<v Speaker 1>should take a quick look at how allergic responses work.

0:51:25.080 --> 0:51:28.600
<v Speaker 1>An allergic reaction is basically just a malfunction of the

0:51:28.680 --> 0:51:32.800
<v Speaker 1>immune system. It happens when a foreign substance called an allergen,

0:51:32.920 --> 0:51:35.800
<v Speaker 1>comes into contact with the body and the immune system

0:51:35.920 --> 0:51:39.400
<v Speaker 1>mistakes the substance for a hostile pathogen, right. It thinks

0:51:39.480 --> 0:51:42.800
<v Speaker 1>that you are being infected by a germ that needs attacking,

0:51:43.200 --> 0:51:45.680
<v Speaker 1>when in fact it's just some harmless stuff. It's a

0:51:45.680 --> 0:51:49.040
<v Speaker 1>piece of protein, pollen, something like that, you know, shrimp,

0:51:50.320 --> 0:51:54.400
<v Speaker 1>and this triggers an immune system response that is unnecessary

0:51:54.560 --> 0:51:56.719
<v Speaker 1>and self destructive. It's kind of like if you've got

0:51:56.800 --> 0:52:00.319
<v Speaker 1>an army base and the wind flows a tumble weed

0:52:00.520 --> 0:52:03.480
<v Speaker 1>up against the exterior fence of the base, and a

0:52:03.600 --> 0:52:07.160
<v Speaker 1>malfunction in the base is automated defense network responds by

0:52:07.320 --> 0:52:11.000
<v Speaker 1>shelling the area with heavy artillery, destroying part of the

0:52:11.040 --> 0:52:15.279
<v Speaker 1>base in the process. So we don't fully understand all

0:52:15.400 --> 0:52:19.120
<v Speaker 1>of the deep underlying causes of allergic reactions, like why

0:52:19.280 --> 0:52:23.080
<v Speaker 1>some people have specific allergies and other people don't. Twin

0:52:23.200 --> 0:52:25.800
<v Speaker 1>studies do seem to show that there's a strong genetic

0:52:25.880 --> 0:52:30.040
<v Speaker 1>component to allergies, but environmental influences are a factor as well.

0:52:30.120 --> 0:52:33.480
<v Speaker 1>According to the American Academy of Allergy, Asthma, and Immunology,

0:52:33.840 --> 0:52:35.920
<v Speaker 1>a little less than about eight percent of adults in

0:52:35.960 --> 0:52:40.200
<v Speaker 1>the US have respiratory allergies, also known as hay fever. Worldwide,

0:52:40.239 --> 0:52:42.960
<v Speaker 1>it's more it's like ten percent to thirty percent of

0:52:43.000 --> 0:52:46.120
<v Speaker 1>people as far as we know. And so it's generally

0:52:46.239 --> 0:52:51.000
<v Speaker 1>true that allergic reactions to new substances don't occur immediately

0:52:51.160 --> 0:52:54.600
<v Speaker 1>the first time you get exposed to those substances. The

0:52:54.680 --> 0:52:58.840
<v Speaker 1>body has to encounter the allergen, produce allergy and specific

0:52:58.920 --> 0:53:02.520
<v Speaker 1>antibodies known i g e. Anti bodies, and then allow

0:53:02.640 --> 0:53:06.399
<v Speaker 1>those antibodies to bind two receptors on immune cells called

0:53:06.600 --> 0:53:10.560
<v Speaker 1>mast cells and basa fills. And the delay between this

0:53:10.800 --> 0:53:14.759
<v Speaker 1>first exposure, the sensitizing exposure, and then the potential for

0:53:14.840 --> 0:53:17.480
<v Speaker 1>the first dangerous reaction I think is usually considered to

0:53:17.520 --> 0:53:20.239
<v Speaker 1>be about a week or ten days. So this could

0:53:20.239 --> 0:53:22.120
<v Speaker 1>be something that sneaks up on you. You've been on

0:53:22.200 --> 0:53:25.040
<v Speaker 1>the surface of this planet for a while, you think

0:53:25.120 --> 0:53:28.120
<v Speaker 1>everything's okay, nobody's gotten sick in the first day or two,

0:53:28.600 --> 0:53:32.200
<v Speaker 1>but suddenly you might get really bad asthma. And so

0:53:32.320 --> 0:53:35.279
<v Speaker 1>this is more of a danger of prolonged exposure to

0:53:35.360 --> 0:53:38.279
<v Speaker 1>an alien biosphere. The first encounter probably wouldn't harm you,

0:53:38.520 --> 0:53:42.560
<v Speaker 1>but once this sensitization has happened, if the body encounters

0:53:42.640 --> 0:53:45.200
<v Speaker 1>that same allergy and again the cells trigger what's known

0:53:45.239 --> 0:53:48.880
<v Speaker 1>as an allergic cascade, and this means the body floods

0:53:48.960 --> 0:53:53.000
<v Speaker 1>with allergy mediators like histamine, which causes dilation of the

0:53:53.040 --> 0:53:58.720
<v Speaker 1>blood vessels, low blood pressure, itching, sneezing, digestive problems, et cetera.

0:53:58.880 --> 0:54:01.200
<v Speaker 1>And if this gets bad enough, it leads to, of course,

0:54:01.280 --> 0:54:03.920
<v Speaker 1>what we know as anaphylaxis. You know, this is the

0:54:04.080 --> 0:54:08.040
<v Speaker 1>really severe reaction that can be fatal if not treated quickly.

0:54:08.160 --> 0:54:11.920
<v Speaker 1>So I was wondering how how dangerous is anaphylaxis, How

0:54:11.960 --> 0:54:15.600
<v Speaker 1>fatal is it can? Can it cause death? Yes, but

0:54:15.719 --> 0:54:18.560
<v Speaker 1>the odds aren't as bad as you think. So aten

0:54:18.600 --> 0:54:21.719
<v Speaker 1>study in the Journal of Allergy and Clinical Immunology found

0:54:21.760 --> 0:54:25.480
<v Speaker 1>that anaphylactic shock resulted in between sixty three and nine

0:54:26.000 --> 0:54:29.719
<v Speaker 1>deaths in the United States every year. However, that's only

0:54:29.800 --> 0:54:33.279
<v Speaker 1>about point three percent of cases where people presented in

0:54:33.400 --> 0:54:36.880
<v Speaker 1>hospitals with anaphylaxis. So if you can get to a hospital,

0:54:36.920 --> 0:54:39.880
<v Speaker 1>it looks like your odds are pretty good. Treatment usually

0:54:39.920 --> 0:54:42.399
<v Speaker 1>tends to be a big shot of epin efron, also

0:54:42.480 --> 0:54:45.239
<v Speaker 1>known as adrenaline, so you get the rush. Uh, and

0:54:45.880 --> 0:54:49.760
<v Speaker 1>exactly the EpiPen. It's a it's an epine an auto injector.

0:54:50.920 --> 0:54:52.719
<v Speaker 1>One hopes that by the time we get to these

0:54:52.760 --> 0:54:55.759
<v Speaker 1>foreign planets the prices have come down a little bit

0:54:55.920 --> 0:54:58.359
<v Speaker 1>and they can stock up the ships with them. Um,

0:54:58.800 --> 0:55:01.880
<v Speaker 1>it's less clear to me the survival rate without medical

0:55:01.920 --> 0:55:05.479
<v Speaker 1>attention or epinefron would be due to anaphylaxis. But of course,

0:55:05.560 --> 0:55:08.200
<v Speaker 1>on the surface of an alien planet, can you get

0:55:08.239 --> 0:55:10.719
<v Speaker 1>to a hospital or can you get your repine and

0:55:10.760 --> 0:55:12.880
<v Speaker 1>shot in time? I guess we would just hope that

0:55:12.960 --> 0:55:15.560
<v Speaker 1>your med droid is working well. It has It has

0:55:15.760 --> 0:55:19.440
<v Speaker 1>EpiPens for fingers to drive them in. That's right. Every

0:55:19.480 --> 0:55:23.160
<v Speaker 1>time it tries to hug you, you get the adrenaline injection. Uh. So.

0:55:23.600 --> 0:55:25.440
<v Speaker 1>The other the other thing to think about would be

0:55:25.440 --> 0:55:29.239
<v Speaker 1>asthma attacks, which can also be triggered by allergic reactions

0:55:29.360 --> 0:55:32.759
<v Speaker 1>to inhaled irritants, and they're often more deadly in the

0:55:32.840 --> 0:55:36.680
<v Speaker 1>modern day. So an asthma attack causes constriction of the airways,

0:55:37.120 --> 0:55:39.960
<v Speaker 1>and according to the Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America,

0:55:39.960 --> 0:55:44.840
<v Speaker 1>about ten Americans die from asthma every day and inteen

0:55:44.960 --> 0:55:48.120
<v Speaker 1>asthma killed three thousand, six hundred and fifty one people.

0:55:48.719 --> 0:55:52.200
<v Speaker 1>So it's usually treated with inhaled broncho dilators like the

0:55:52.440 --> 0:55:54.800
<v Speaker 1>the emergency and haler that you have the rescue in

0:55:54.840 --> 0:55:58.800
<v Speaker 1>haler um. But it can be treated with other stuff

0:55:58.840 --> 0:56:03.640
<v Speaker 1>in the case of a real bad asthma attack. So

0:56:03.800 --> 0:56:06.120
<v Speaker 1>if you're on the surface of an alien planet, can

0:56:06.160 --> 0:56:09.279
<v Speaker 1>you imagine what types of things that go into your

0:56:09.360 --> 0:56:12.719
<v Speaker 1>body might cause a severe allergic reaction? Of course, it

0:56:12.760 --> 0:56:15.600
<v Speaker 1>could be pollen or spores from an alien plant or

0:56:15.719 --> 0:56:18.720
<v Speaker 1>some other kind of germinating life form. Could be alien

0:56:18.840 --> 0:56:21.359
<v Speaker 1>foods if you find yourself eating them, though, I guess

0:56:21.920 --> 0:56:23.880
<v Speaker 1>have we factored in Robert, do you consider if you

0:56:23.960 --> 0:56:25.880
<v Speaker 1>take your helmet off, do you also just eat the

0:56:25.920 --> 0:56:28.880
<v Speaker 1>stuff around you? I don't know. I was thinking about

0:56:28.920 --> 0:56:31.640
<v Speaker 1>this the other night because I watched um uh, the

0:56:31.719 --> 0:56:36.200
<v Speaker 1>new MST three K episode that deals with the Lost World.

0:56:36.320 --> 0:56:41.719
<v Speaker 1>You know, m Edgar Rice Burrows German submarine winds up

0:56:41.719 --> 0:56:44.200
<v Speaker 1>in this place where evolutions all walking, and you still

0:56:44.200 --> 0:56:46.960
<v Speaker 1>have all these dinosaurs and they immediately, like right after

0:56:47.000 --> 0:56:49.160
<v Speaker 1>they kill the first dinosaur, they cook it up and

0:56:49.160 --> 0:56:53.080
<v Speaker 1>they eat it, just no concerns whatsoever. Um it would

0:56:53.120 --> 0:56:56.040
<v Speaker 1>be it would be funny to see that utilize in

0:56:56.080 --> 0:56:57.960
<v Speaker 1>some of these sci fi scenarios where they kill a

0:56:58.040 --> 0:57:00.799
<v Speaker 1>neo morph in. They're like, out where we gotta eat?

0:57:00.920 --> 0:57:03.000
<v Speaker 1>So right, let's fire up the girl sick of this

0:57:03.120 --> 0:57:08.000
<v Speaker 1>freeze dried ice cream. But hey, how about another thing

0:57:08.080 --> 0:57:11.680
<v Speaker 1>for anaphylactic shock. What about the venom of an alien organism?

0:57:12.000 --> 0:57:14.080
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I mean you look at the terrestrial example,

0:57:14.120 --> 0:57:18.960
<v Speaker 1>and you have plenty of of of small organisms that

0:57:19.120 --> 0:57:22.880
<v Speaker 1>pack a substantial punch thanks to their their neurotoxins. Yeah,

0:57:22.920 --> 0:57:24.800
<v Speaker 1>but it wouldn't even have to be that the or

0:57:25.080 --> 0:57:27.680
<v Speaker 1>the organism's natural venom is strong enough to kill you.

0:57:27.720 --> 0:57:29.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that could have been a reason we cited

0:57:29.560 --> 0:57:32.160
<v Speaker 1>all on its own actually would be the venom of

0:57:32.240 --> 0:57:36.680
<v Speaker 1>alien arthropods. But imagine that the venom is not enough

0:57:36.720 --> 0:57:38.440
<v Speaker 1>to kill you on its own, you still could have

0:57:38.600 --> 0:57:43.040
<v Speaker 1>one of these immune system malfunctions. Uh that you know it. Basically,

0:57:43.160 --> 0:57:46.160
<v Speaker 1>you get stung by the alien equivalent of a wasp

0:57:46.320 --> 0:57:49.640
<v Speaker 1>what would we call it, the infurnace seven hymen opteroid,

0:57:50.440 --> 0:57:52.880
<v Speaker 1>and it stings you and gives you a dose of

0:57:53.080 --> 0:57:55.760
<v Speaker 1>something that really just just meant to hurt, but instead

0:57:55.800 --> 0:57:59.080
<v Speaker 1>you have an allergic reaction to the insect, and according

0:57:59.120 --> 0:58:02.960
<v Speaker 1>to the American Academy of Allergy, Asthma Immunology, up to

0:58:03.080 --> 0:58:06.840
<v Speaker 1>fifty percent of people who die from allergic reactions to

0:58:06.960 --> 0:58:11.360
<v Speaker 1>insects had no previously documented allergy, like they didn't know

0:58:11.440 --> 0:58:14.640
<v Speaker 1>they were allergic. So it sounds like it could be

0:58:14.720 --> 0:58:17.680
<v Speaker 1>a scary scenario on an alien world. Yeah, fear of

0:58:17.680 --> 0:58:20.320
<v Speaker 1>alien bees. Alien bees, by the way, also a brand

0:58:20.480 --> 0:58:24.560
<v Speaker 1>of professional lighting equipment for photographers. No way. Yeah, yeah,

0:58:24.560 --> 0:58:27.520
<v Speaker 1>they have a lovely, lovely logo. Dude, I just looked

0:58:27.560 --> 0:58:29.360
<v Speaker 1>it up. Yes, they give it. So they give him

0:58:29.360 --> 0:58:31.760
<v Speaker 1>the alien face with the large eyes. It's like a

0:58:31.840 --> 0:58:34.200
<v Speaker 1>gray except he's not gray's yellow because he's a bee.

0:58:34.360 --> 0:58:36.479
<v Speaker 1>And they make his wings yellow too. I'm not saying.

0:58:36.480 --> 0:58:38.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure why I'm saying. He I guess it

0:58:38.400 --> 0:58:41.600
<v Speaker 1>looks kind of masculine in the logo here. But but

0:58:41.720 --> 0:58:43.520
<v Speaker 1>the bees we know and love are women, right. I

0:58:43.560 --> 0:58:46.280
<v Speaker 1>know about this because my wife is a photographer, and uh,

0:58:46.320 --> 0:58:47.800
<v Speaker 1>and there have been times in the past which she's like,

0:58:47.920 --> 0:58:50.160
<v Speaker 1>can you help me get the the alien bees? Make

0:58:50.200 --> 0:58:52.600
<v Speaker 1>sure you can? You can you get the alien bees

0:58:52.640 --> 0:58:54.280
<v Speaker 1>out of the car for me? So that the alien

0:58:54.320 --> 0:58:56.280
<v Speaker 1>bees have become a normal part of my life. But

0:58:56.400 --> 0:59:00.560
<v Speaker 1>then also on top of talking about potential alien allergens

0:59:00.760 --> 0:59:03.360
<v Speaker 1>that that could get you. I I don't know to

0:59:03.480 --> 0:59:05.640
<v Speaker 1>what extent that's a real thing to worry about, but

0:59:05.720 --> 0:59:08.360
<v Speaker 1>I thought that was worth considering. There's also this other

0:59:08.520 --> 0:59:13.440
<v Speaker 1>class where you know, we've looked at infectious agents and microorganisms,

0:59:13.480 --> 0:59:16.120
<v Speaker 1>and we've looked at allergens, which is like bits of

0:59:16.280 --> 0:59:19.720
<v Speaker 1>matter that upset your body. I wonder if there's also

0:59:19.960 --> 0:59:23.440
<v Speaker 1>categories of things in between that we haven't even reckoned with,

0:59:23.720 --> 0:59:26.360
<v Speaker 1>that we we don't even fully understand because there's just

0:59:26.520 --> 0:59:29.680
<v Speaker 1>not a strong analogy on Earth. It makes me think

0:59:29.720 --> 0:59:33.880
<v Speaker 1>about one of the picks from the My My Fiction

0:59:33.960 --> 0:59:36.200
<v Speaker 1>pick from the summer reading episode we did last year,

0:59:36.280 --> 0:59:38.320
<v Speaker 1>which was a sci fi book that I really loved

0:59:38.520 --> 0:59:42.600
<v Speaker 1>called Aurora by Kim Stanley Robinson. And a lot of

0:59:42.640 --> 0:59:44.840
<v Speaker 1>reviewers seemed to hate this book, I think because they

0:59:44.920 --> 0:59:48.560
<v Speaker 1>found it depressing and pessimistic, conjuring up this universe where

0:59:48.960 --> 0:59:52.160
<v Speaker 1>space colonist characters come to the conclusion that Earth might

0:59:52.200 --> 0:59:54.800
<v Speaker 1>be the only viable home for us in the galaxy.

0:59:55.440 --> 0:59:57.720
<v Speaker 1>And the reason is that based on a very small

0:59:57.840 --> 1:00:02.880
<v Speaker 1>sampling of planets. Planets seemed be either uninhabitable, unable to

1:00:02.960 --> 1:00:08.440
<v Speaker 1>sustain life, or already home to hostile micro organisms. And uh,

1:00:08.600 --> 1:00:11.000
<v Speaker 1>and so there's this organism. I don't want to spoil

1:00:11.080 --> 1:00:12.920
<v Speaker 1>too much about the book, but they go to a

1:00:13.000 --> 1:00:16.240
<v Speaker 1>planet whether where there is this organism that they just

1:00:16.400 --> 1:00:20.080
<v Speaker 1>don't really understand. It does seem to infect and kill people,

1:00:20.160 --> 1:00:23.160
<v Speaker 1>but it doesn't really work like micro organisms that were

1:00:23.240 --> 1:00:26.400
<v Speaker 1>familiar with. At some point, a character tries to compare

1:00:26.440 --> 1:00:29.280
<v Speaker 1>it to a fast acting preon, like the you know,

1:00:29.400 --> 1:00:33.080
<v Speaker 1>these misfolded proteins that make copies of themselves and damage

1:00:33.080 --> 1:00:36.440
<v Speaker 1>our tissues that way. But then they rule out, They

1:00:36.480 --> 1:00:39.120
<v Speaker 1>say it, actually, it doesn't really work that way. It's

1:00:39.160 --> 1:00:40.920
<v Speaker 1>just a sci fi scenario. But it does make me

1:00:41.000 --> 1:00:45.600
<v Speaker 1>think about the possibility that there could be tiny, chemically

1:00:45.800 --> 1:00:50.240
<v Speaker 1>active molecules and objects that act upon our bodies in

1:00:50.320 --> 1:00:54.080
<v Speaker 1>ways that are not even familiar to us. Uh, in

1:00:54.120 --> 1:00:58.560
<v Speaker 1>the ways we're familiar with from micro organisms or from allergens. Interesting,

1:00:59.000 --> 1:01:01.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm not that familiar with the with Kim Stanley Robinson.

1:01:01.600 --> 1:01:04.440
<v Speaker 1>Is there another work by this author that I should recognize?

1:01:04.560 --> 1:01:06.840
<v Speaker 1>This is the only book of his that i've read,

1:01:06.920 --> 1:01:09.280
<v Speaker 1>but I know he's well known for his He did

1:01:09.360 --> 1:01:12.520
<v Speaker 1>a trilogy of books about Mars, about terraforming Mars. Yes,

1:01:12.640 --> 1:01:15.240
<v Speaker 1>that that must be where I recognize his name from.

1:01:15.680 --> 1:01:20.400
<v Speaker 1>They're like different colors. I think it's called Mars. Yes, yes, yes, Okay,

1:01:21.080 --> 1:01:24.000
<v Speaker 1>I've not read those, but I have friends who speak. Yeah.

1:01:24.040 --> 1:01:26.200
<v Speaker 1>I haven't read them either, but I so. Despite the

1:01:26.240 --> 1:01:28.320
<v Speaker 1>fact that a lot of people didn't like Aurora, I

1:01:28.480 --> 1:01:31.720
<v Speaker 1>really loved it. I thought it was a fascinating counterpoint

1:01:31.760 --> 1:01:34.760
<v Speaker 1>to a lot of the space exploration fiction we usually see.

1:01:35.120 --> 1:01:37.520
<v Speaker 1>Are you ready to look at the next threat to

1:01:38.120 --> 1:01:41.440
<v Speaker 1>the unhelmeted space explorer? Bring it on? Helmet still on?

1:01:41.560 --> 1:01:44.080
<v Speaker 1>Ready to look at reason number four? Okay, how about

1:01:44.200 --> 1:01:47.800
<v Speaker 1>killer particles? So we discussed this in our episode Your

1:01:47.920 --> 1:01:51.920
<v Speaker 1>Health is a Mars colonist. Many alien worlds are likely

1:01:52.080 --> 1:01:57.040
<v Speaker 1>to contain extremely fine particles of dust and soil that

1:01:57.200 --> 1:02:00.400
<v Speaker 1>could cause health problems or even kill you. One thing

1:02:00.520 --> 1:02:02.800
<v Speaker 1>that we mentioned in that previous episode that I just

1:02:02.840 --> 1:02:05.880
<v Speaker 1>wanted to mention again. In December nineteen seventy two, you

1:02:05.920 --> 1:02:08.560
<v Speaker 1>have the crew of the Apollo seventeen walking on the Moon.

1:02:08.760 --> 1:02:12.280
<v Speaker 1>They're out there doing their extra vehicular activity did they

1:02:12.280 --> 1:02:14.800
<v Speaker 1>play golf? I can't remember who played golf. Yeah, I

1:02:14.800 --> 1:02:17.040
<v Speaker 1>can't remember off hand either, and some people play golf.

1:02:17.120 --> 1:02:19.480
<v Speaker 1>Maybe they did. Maybe that was somebody else. But astronauts

1:02:19.520 --> 1:02:22.920
<v Speaker 1>Harrison Schmidt and Eugene Cernan, and they were operating in

1:02:23.000 --> 1:02:25.480
<v Speaker 1>the location near the Sea of Serenity, and when they

1:02:25.560 --> 1:02:28.560
<v Speaker 1>got back inside the lunar module after the e v A,

1:02:29.360 --> 1:02:33.200
<v Speaker 1>Harrison Schmidt experienced what has been called quote lunar dust

1:02:33.320 --> 1:02:38.240
<v Speaker 1>hay fever, which was this respiratory reaction to inhaling fine

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<v Speaker 1>particles of lunar regulars. So the dust on the surface

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<v Speaker 1>of the Moon has these weird qualities. It's abrasive, it's

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<v Speaker 1>almost kind of been described like tiny fine shards of glass.

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<v Speaker 1>It sticks to everything, It smells like gunpowder. Apparently, it's

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<v Speaker 1>hard not to inhale it when you're messing around on

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<v Speaker 1>the surface of the Moon, and when you do, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not for your respiratory system, it it it messes you up.

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<v Speaker 1>Other planets also have other types of surface soil that

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<v Speaker 1>are going to be very different than what we're used

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<v Speaker 1>to on Earth, and we need to consider the possibility

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<v Speaker 1>that all of these surface soils could have chemicals in

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<v Speaker 1>them fine particles that could really be a threat to

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<v Speaker 1>our health and and could even kill us. Even on Earth,

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<v Speaker 1>there are situations where inhalation of fine particles can lead

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<v Speaker 1>to respiratory diseases. Like you can if you inhale a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of extremely fine silica, Like if you're a miner

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<v Speaker 1>or sand blaster or something, you can inhale this stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>this fine silica that it leads to something called silicosis,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's just not good for your lungs. It depends

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<v Speaker 1>on exactly what kind of exposure you get, but eventually

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<v Speaker 1>it can lead to progressive massive fibrosis, which is just

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<v Speaker 1>destroys your lungs. It's almost like your lungs filling up

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<v Speaker 1>with concrete. Uh. You do not want things like this

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<v Speaker 1>going into your lungs. And things like in these fine

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<v Speaker 1>grains could be present on many other worlds also. Mars

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<v Speaker 1>is a good example of places where the soil is

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<v Speaker 1>believed to contain chemicals that are not just dangerous in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of them being fine and uh and respirable, but

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<v Speaker 1>the Martian soil is known to contain perclorates, which have

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<v Speaker 1>detrimental effects on the thyroid and hormone production in the

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<v Speaker 1>human body, and we don't know what kinds of toxic

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<v Speaker 1>chemicals could be in the soil of alien planets. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you break the seal between the inside and outside,

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<v Speaker 1>it's difficult to keep fine grain particles separate. And of

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<v Speaker 1>course that's just assuming these are just straight up particles

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<v Speaker 1>and they're not radioactive particles, right, because even Earth has

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<v Speaker 1>naturally occurring radioactive particles radionuclides, which can be hazardous to

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<v Speaker 1>your health if you inhale them. And so we don't

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<v Speaker 1>also know the extent to which the surface of another

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<v Speaker 1>planet might be peppered with fine radioactive articles that you

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<v Speaker 1>can suck right in with a deep breath. Alright, so

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<v Speaker 1>we're down to the last item on our checklist before

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<v Speaker 1>opening the helmet. And again this is not just the

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<v Speaker 1>opening of the helmet, but the breaching of the mini

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<v Speaker 1>space suit and the presume protective layers that encompasses. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So this one might be a little bit less helmet

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<v Speaker 1>focused and more just focused on the general barrier between

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<v Speaker 1>you and the outside. That's right. So radiation. We we've

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<v Speaker 1>done a few different episodes now where we've we've we've

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<v Speaker 1>discussed radiation, most most recently the episode dealing with like

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<v Speaker 1>the demon core idea and like what happens with what

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<v Speaker 1>happened with Chernobyl and the risks probe posed by radiation

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<v Speaker 1>to human health. Yeah, I haven't even thought about this

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<v Speaker 1>before before we did this episode, but walking around with

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<v Speaker 1>exposed skin on these planets, I mean, can you get

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<v Speaker 1>an infurnace six sunburn? Yeah? I would guess so, depending

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<v Speaker 1>on what the the the star or stars at the

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<v Speaker 1>center of the infurnace system or like yeah, yeah, because

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<v Speaker 1>both cosmic and solar radiation immediately become a problem once

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<v Speaker 1>you leave the neighborhood of Earth, and to your point,

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<v Speaker 1>even on Earth, solar radiation can be an issue depending

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<v Speaker 1>on what your skin situation is like and where you are.

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<v Speaker 1>Even on Earth's surface, we're exposed to a steady ambient

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<v Speaker 1>level of radiation from the Sun solar radiation UH and

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<v Speaker 1>the larger universe cosmic radiation. But Earth's atmosphere and magnetosphere

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<v Speaker 1>work together to protect us from most of the danger.

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<v Speaker 1>So even astronauts on the International Space Station two miles

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<v Speaker 1>above Earth, UH, they're exposed to much more radiation than

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<v Speaker 1>we get on the surface. They're still shielded by Earth's magnetosphere.

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<v Speaker 1>Which extends thousands of miles into space around the planet.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, So even though they're outside the atmosphere, there's

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<v Speaker 1>still within this thing that repels a lot of this

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<v Speaker 1>cosmic radiation. Yeah. This so this sort of magic field.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not magic, but you know, it's this wonderful protective

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<v Speaker 1>shield shielding around the Earth. So you'll in on an

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<v Speaker 1>alien world, you're just thinking about breaching your suit taking

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<v Speaker 1>that helmet off. Does the planet have an atmosphere? Let's

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead and assume it does, Otherwise you really don't

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<v Speaker 1>have a good excuse. So if there's so, there's some

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<v Speaker 1>level of radiation shielding just by virtue of there being

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<v Speaker 1>an atmosphere. But is there a magnetosphere? So I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to go ahead and guess there is, because one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that happens when there's no magnetosphere is that

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<v Speaker 1>the solar wind strips most of the atmosphere off of

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<v Speaker 1>your world. Yeah, this is we talked about the thin

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<v Speaker 1>atmosphere of Mars. Mars does not have a strong magnetosphere.

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<v Speaker 1>I think doesn't have one at all. Yeah, we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>massive atmosphere loss in these scenarios. So yet to to

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<v Speaker 1>break down who has magnetosphere. There's Mercury, Earth, Jupiter, Ganymede, Saturn,

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<v Speaker 1>urin this neptune. Mars definitely does not have one. But

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<v Speaker 1>in the case of you know, an absence of a

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<v Speaker 1>magnetosphere massive atmosphere lost, there are there are many astrobiologies

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<v Speaker 1>that predict that that potential life on an exoplanet might

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<v Speaker 1>well be oombed without a magneto magnetosphere in place. At

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<v Speaker 1>the very least, it would mean that life would have

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<v Speaker 1>to flourish there, perhaps underground behind you know, beneath protective

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<v Speaker 1>ice caps or or artificial structures and systems. You get

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<v Speaker 1>into the same scenario when we start thinking about the

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<v Speaker 1>potential Mars colonists, like, how how would you effectively shield uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a colony on that world? You want to

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<v Speaker 1>like dig underground or something. Yeah, Still, you've got this

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<v Speaker 1>protective space suit presumably provides some sort of protection against radiation.

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<v Speaker 1>And even a world protected by a magnetosphere and an

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<v Speaker 1>atmosphere can be a radioactive mess for creatures such as ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it could be naturally occurring radioactive environments which

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<v Speaker 1>we we certainly encounter, or something compromised by an intelligent

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<v Speaker 1>species radioactive dumping. So to come back to the the

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<v Speaker 1>alien universe, we don't know what the what other crimes

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<v Speaker 1>the the engineers got up to. Toby decided to just

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<v Speaker 1>dump a whole bunch of radioactive waste done any particular planet.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like the kind of thing we would do. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, So that's the thing that I guess is

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<v Speaker 1>worth considering. What is the range of possibilities for the

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<v Speaker 1>natural ground based radioactivity of a foreign planet? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>on Earth, there are natural sources of radiation apart from

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<v Speaker 1>just what's coming from the sky. We've got uranium in

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth. Uranium decays produces radon gas. If you inhale that,

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<v Speaker 1>you can have radiation exposure. Uh So yeah, I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess we just don't know what's possible on other planets. Yeah. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>to put everything in sort of a uh in context

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<v Speaker 1>of what we have here, which is our again, our

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<v Speaker 1>best model for what we might find elsewhere. Uh. In

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<v Speaker 1>terms of natural radiation, again, everybody has to do with

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<v Speaker 1>some degree of terrestrial radiation thanks to naturally occurring radioactive

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<v Speaker 1>materials such as uranium, thorium, radium, etcetera. In the Earth

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<v Speaker 1>and the inhabited area on the planet with the highest

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<v Speaker 1>levels of terrestrial radiation is Ramsar, Iran, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>due to a nearby radioactive hot spring and building materials

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<v Speaker 1>that have been harvested from there. But I think I

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<v Speaker 1>recall reading because we did a now piece on this,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't read that that actually in rams Are like people

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<v Speaker 1>are not don't really have much worse health outcomes despite

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that they're exposed to elevated levels of radiation.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, that's my understanding. But but just in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of like the levels here and these are gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>this is what we're looking at, and this is gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be in ing wise or nano gray units and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's gonna be per hour, I believe, so absorbed

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<v Speaker 1>rates of radiation in the air and Ramsar are going

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<v Speaker 1>to be between seventy and seventeen thousand, and again that's

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<v Speaker 1>the highest you're going to find for an inhabited area

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<v Speaker 1>on Earth. But if you're going to uninhabited, uh, then

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<v Speaker 1>this is the place that takes takes the cake. The

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<v Speaker 1>Black Beaches of guardapare Brazil, and they contain monosite, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a phosphate of rare earth metals containing uranium and thorium.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh so it's in the sand here, and it produces

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<v Speaker 1>absorbed dose rates of of ninety to ninety thousand en

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<v Speaker 1>gy wise um per hour. And now that's just natural radiation.

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<v Speaker 1>If you go ahead and you a factor in radioactive

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<v Speaker 1>pollution in our case by humans, but in another case

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<v Speaker 1>by some you know, it doesn't even have to be

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<v Speaker 1>an existing extraterrestrial species. You know, presumably you could have

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<v Speaker 1>the radioactive waste of a of a of an inner

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<v Speaker 1>planetary or simply planetary society that then later got onto

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<v Speaker 1>destroying itself. Like what if we arrived on an exoplanet

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<v Speaker 1>we realized, oh, the previous inhabitants annihilated themselves with an

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<v Speaker 1>atomic war. Uh, surely that's been explored. That sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>classic trek right there. But if we factor that in,

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<v Speaker 1>then the most polluted example we have on Earth is

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<v Speaker 1>a lake Karace in Russia. This is a long time

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<v Speaker 1>dumping site for radioactive waste, and by most estimates, the

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<v Speaker 1>most radioactive place on the planet now is that including

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<v Speaker 1>next to the elephant's foot in in chernobyl Um. I

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<v Speaker 1>believe so, yeah. I mean the idea here is that

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking like long standing you know, radiation. So this

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<v Speaker 1>was just a place where just a small ural mountain

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<v Speaker 1>lake where they would just dump stuff. They would they

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<v Speaker 1>would just dump radioactive waste continually and uh it they

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<v Speaker 1>let to researchers in in the nineties to analyze it

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<v Speaker 1>based on I think current satellite data. It's completely covered

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<v Speaker 1>and cement. Now there have been attempts to to manage it.

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<v Speaker 1>But in nineteen nine, uh, it's said if you were

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<v Speaker 1>standing on the shore of the lake, you more than

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<v Speaker 1>an hour of exposure would have been fatal. Wow, so

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<v Speaker 1>I think you know, you can you can imagine a

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<v Speaker 1>scenario where you you land on a world, maybe you

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<v Speaker 1>have of a preliminary radiation reading for just sort of

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<v Speaker 1>the world itself. You wander onto a black sand beach.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you want, you want onto the beach, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the next thing, you know, you're absorbing increasing levels of radiation,

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<v Speaker 1>which might not be an immediate problem, but it might

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<v Speaker 1>be um, you know a problem of prolonged exposure. Right. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>when we think about radiation again, there are there are

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<v Speaker 1>two main ways that you would want to keep yourself

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<v Speaker 1>sealed from your environment. It works in multiple ways. So

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<v Speaker 1>one is that you would have a suit. Hopefully they

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<v Speaker 1>would have some kind of shielding that proprides a barrier

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<v Speaker 1>against the ray radiation, you know, the bombardment of your

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<v Speaker 1>body with with direct rays like gamma rays or neutron radiation.

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<v Speaker 1>But then you would also want to keep your environment

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<v Speaker 1>sealed so that you don't have the interaction with radioactive particles.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that could be one of the biggest dangers,

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<v Speaker 1>is the inhalation of these radio newclides. The more I

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<v Speaker 1>think about it just might be better to leave the

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<v Speaker 1>suit on, definitely, no matter how delicious the neomorphs same,

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<v Speaker 1>no matter how delightful that beach may seem, maybe it's

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<v Speaker 1>just better just to stay in the suit. It's I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure it has a bathroom function. Okay, here's a question.

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<v Speaker 1>You're totally out of freeze, dried ice cream, no earth

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<v Speaker 1>food left. You're on the alien planet. You've killed a neomorph.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you starve to death or do you try to

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<v Speaker 1>eat it? Well, I guess you try and eat it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, geez, I don't know, of course, not knowing

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<v Speaker 1>what I know about the neomorph's now, I mean, actually

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<v Speaker 1>that maybe in a sense that's a survival method because

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<v Speaker 1>you know that you might live on in some sorts,

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<v Speaker 1>some form or another, right, right, at least you're parasitic progeny. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that the neomorphs sandwich kind of becomes you and then

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<v Speaker 1>then you're good to go. Now you're completely acclimatized to

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<v Speaker 1>the environment. You're no longer remotely human, but you're thriving. Okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you have enjoyed this weird exoplanet speculation with us.

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<v Speaker 1>But but if we haven't convinced you knit by now

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<v Speaker 1>to keep your helmet on, we're probably not gonna right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's probably off by now, I'm guessing you know. But

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<v Speaker 1>but hopefully we give you some good ideas here. Uh. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not to say that I want you to go

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<v Speaker 1>in and just kneel de grass Tyson the heck out

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<v Speaker 1>of every science fiction film you see, because I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's ultimately little joy in that. But but it

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<v Speaker 1>it does. I do think it's always important to to

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<v Speaker 1>have the scientific reality and at least in the background.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's an act of disengaging from what you

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<v Speaker 1>know about the real threats of space exploration, as opposed

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<v Speaker 1>to just not knowing about it to begin with and

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<v Speaker 1>and and basing everything on the sci fi fantasy world

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<v Speaker 1>you're observing. Well, I think earlier I mentioned something about

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<v Speaker 1>how for me it has to its consistency. Really like,

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<v Speaker 1>if if a movie seems to have an ethic of

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<v Speaker 1>realism and hard science, I will be troubled by things

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<v Speaker 1>that are unrealistic. But if it doesn't, across the board

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<v Speaker 1>have an ethic of realism and hard science, then who cares? Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you know it comes. It's kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>if you were to encounter a scene where the helmet

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<v Speaker 1>comes off in two thousand and one, right, Like that

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<v Speaker 1>would be a case where like, whoa, come on, Stanley.

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<v Speaker 1>Up until now, like we didn't even have sound in space.

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<v Speaker 1>We're being just really hard with our science, and now

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<v Speaker 1>you're just kind of thrown into the wind. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>does in the wind singing dust in the world. I'm

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