1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news, single bust idea starting 2 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: the second quarter. What a great day. We had a 3 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: lot of equity talk, stock market for the first time. 4 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: I'm on Dow forty thousand, watcher at Dow thirty nine 5 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: thousand something whatever, But it's there, and it's the equity market, 6 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: not only the Q one lift, but lifting from October 7 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: and far more lifting from a year ago October. It's 8 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: been a heck of a move. Many of you in 9 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: the market and those that have missed the market are 10 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 1: acutely aware of these valuations. What we're gonna do is 11 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about one of the moonshots out there, 12 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: not Bitdog. We'll do that. I promise we'll do bitcog 13 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 1: Dog on single best idea Bitcoin, I should say it's 14 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: single best idea. But we're gonna look at Coco here 15 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: in a moment with a great kna haek of ed 16 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: and f But first of all, I've been dying to 17 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: do this. There are people that have pedigrees in academics 18 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: that give pause. Jim Karen at Morgan Stanley did physics 19 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 1: at Boden, which is a really well known school for 20 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: that small liberal arts but with a huge science integrity, 21 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: and then he wandered out to a small school called 22 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: California Institute of Technology Caltech, did the same thing onto 23 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: a sterling academic career at Morgan Stanley and Bonds. I 24 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: have been dying to talk to Jim Caron about the vogue. 25 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: The rage right now of momentum is a factor ROW 26 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: equals MV. I'm not going to go into the physics here. 27 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: It's a Monday. My brain's not working, But needless to say, 28 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: I have real trouble with the physics envy the physics 29 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: mathematics bringing it over to the stock market. Jim Karen said, no, 30 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: there's something too momentum. 31 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 2: The way that we think about this in the markets. 32 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 2: I mean, obviously we look at different facts, and momentum 33 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: is one of the factors that's in the markets, and 34 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 2: there's many ways to calculate this. I mean, obviously it's 35 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 2: just the it's the consistency and of price change, and 36 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 2: not just a consistency of price change, but it's inability 37 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 2: to deviate meaningfully from a direction. So if there's positive 38 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 2: momentum in the place, there could be a dip, but 39 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 2: that dip is very short lived and it just continues 40 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 2: on the path that it was on before. So that's 41 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 2: the momentum that we're facing. And that's really one of 42 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 2: the key factors across most of the equity sectors right now, 43 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 2: particularly in technology, and it's one of the things that 44 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 2: is a driving factor. It's a risk because if momentum turns, 45 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 2: then it's going to hurt a lot of things all 46 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 2: at once. And I think we need to be a 47 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 2: little bit worried about that. But that's but so far, 48 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 2: momentum is your friend. 49 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: Jim Karrn of Morgan Stale. A momentum is a vector. 50 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: It's like an arrow in space, and it's the price 51 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: in this case series traveling upon the vector. And with 52 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: the word that I really focus on here is the 53 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: magnitude the oomph of that vector through space. And right 54 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: now the oomph of the equity market is noted. And 55 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: mister Karen has said, I think what he said to 56 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: honor the late Marty's wag, the trend is your friend 57 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: until it's not. I don't think there's a trend to Coco. 58 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,839 Speaker 1: I don't know what to do with this. Long ago 59 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 1: and far away in my ute, I had an injury 60 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: in hockey, and I was flat on my back for 61 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: a good ten weeks, twelve weeks, crutches and all that, 62 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: but basically I was horizontal, and I put around the 63 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: bed in the family TV room twenty or thirty books 64 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: that my mother dutifully went and got from the library, 65 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: and one of them was on commodities. It was called 66 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: Cohen and the first commodity I ever studied was Coco. 67 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: Coco is two or three countries in West Africa. It 68 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: is a huge oddity, and when the oddity goes up 69 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: or down, it trends. We've now had an explosive moonshot 70 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: a trend in Coco, and for days I've said to 71 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: the team, Eric Will and the team get ConA haik. 72 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: She is outstanding on the softs and brings an old 73 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: world view to it. She is with edy enough and 74 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 1: the moonshot of cocoa corna hach. 75 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 3: Oh my god, it really is a moonshot. It's skyrocketing. 76 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 3: I've never seen anything like this. It's supplied demands, it's 77 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 3: incredibly volatile, and you're right, it doesn't trend with anything else. 78 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 3: Cocoa production is so concentrated in a handful of countries 79 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 3: which are which are very much influenced by their own 80 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 3: set of microclimatic factors. It's it's very particular. It is 81 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 3: fairly elastic. It's not a staple like grains or vegetable oils, 82 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 3: which you know you have to you cannot do without. 83 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 3: There are some people who say that chocolate is very addictive, 84 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, if it was 85 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 3: up to feeding and having cereal and rites and something 86 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 3: to sustain you with versus that indulgent, lovely pitt you 87 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 3: know what you're going to go for. 88 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 1: The elastic word is microeconomics. I'm gonna call it Marshallian economics. 89 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: For responsiveness, there is elastic and inelastic. Your need for water, 90 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: your need for milk, your need for your cheerios is 91 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: pretty inelastic. You have to have you have to have 92 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: your weedies every morning. But chocolate is supposed to be inelastic, 93 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: where if the price goes up, we say no, or 94 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: we substitute something else. I did, Eric, did you observe 95 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: that this weekend at the house. I did not observe 96 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 1: an elastic chocolate function. It was very inelastic and all consuming, 97 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: and I couldn't believe what some of these upscale Boutiki 98 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: chocolates are run right now. 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