WEBVTT - Part Two: Crime Pays: The Sophie Lyons Story 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:04.120 Hello, dear listeners, and welcome to cool people who did 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:06.800 cool stuff today. I'll be your host to this dangerous 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:09.960 world of crime and sin, this world of adultery, of 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:13.760 violence and strange beauty. With me on this journey into 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:15.760 the criminal underworld. Okay, I don't think I can keep 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:18.000 this up. Our guest today is prop prop How are 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:21.640 you doing? I was preparing my my voice for this? 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:24.560 Oh all right, all right, we'll keep going. This is 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:30.200 top of the morning, fair maiden. How's that is great? 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:35.680 We both definitely deserve to be an entertainment. Yes, give 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:39.760 them the old what fall ah sword canes for everyone 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:44.400 is happening. I'm not sure that voice is our producer 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:46.640 who tries to keep us on track. Hi, Sophie, how 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:54.920 are you doing? Smart? Smart smart Sophie. No world, No, okay, world? Yes, ah, 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:58.600 in a world, so is the producer in a world 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:04.319 we're too Sophie. Can never exist? Yeah, yeah, they can't, 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:07.640 because apparently you get you know, made, made, made roasted 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:12.880 in your sound grade science class. Sucked up. I bet 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:15.920 you are doing better than I did. In fact, looked 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:18.440 up the other person and that they're doing just fine. 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:22.360 So that is what's upsetting not that I wish the middle, 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:25.080 but I was like, you know what, that doesn't sound 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:29.880 like that bad of a career. Shout out. I looked 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:33.640 at my fourth grade bully and he's a Christian real 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:42.080 estate agent in Oklahoma. You know what you won that? Yeah? 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:45.240 Well this actually we'll talk about what to do with 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:47.800 real estate agents in a short moment on this episode. 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:53.240 So this week we're talking about crime. Sophie, prop have 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:55.880 you ever committed a crime? I haven't. Have you all 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:59.560 ever committed no crimes, no crimes, not never. What are 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:03.800 you talking to about? Yeah? No, no, No one commits crimes. 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:05.480 And we don't live in a world in which everyone 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:09.600 commits crimes and only certain people are convicted of that 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:14.320 that that wouldn't happen, speed limits or something that everyone obeys. Anyway, 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:16.600 today we are talking about Sophie Lyons, the queen of 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:20.440 the underworld in nineteenth century America. Probably the least role 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:22.880 model of anyone we've had on the show, but she 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:24.960 makes it to be older than most of our subjects. 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:29.760 So actually there's something to this. Where we last left her, 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:32.840 she's just gotten out of prison, but her husband was 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:34.720 still in prison. At this point. I think she didn't 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:37.320 really mind. All of her kids are off at boarding school, 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:39.480 which also I think she didn't mind. And she just 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:43.600 moved to Detroit, and she is she's not done with 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:46.120 walking into fancy department stores and walking out with whatever 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:48.440 she wants. She'll keep her she'll keep that up for 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:52.080 decades longer. But she sets her sights higher at this 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:55.600 point too. And you know, what's a good fun time problem, 0:02:56.600 --> 0:03:03.520 what's a good fun time blackmail? Oh kay? She sets 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:08.040 up this really yeah. Yeah, so I have here pictures 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:11.760 Now I can't make that joke, okay, so um, so 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:14.120 she sets up this really solid con I'll be at 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:16.720 one of questionable ethics. I guess most couples are questionable, 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:21.360 aren't they all? Yeah? Yeah. She sets herself up like 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:24.160 she's a fancy actress in Cincinnati for a few weeks, 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:26.359 and she pays for a hotel room in cash, plus 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:29.359 a bunch of fancy dresses in cash. She calls fancy 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:32.680 rich asshole men and she lures them over the hotel room. 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:35.760 It's possible she does this under some pretense like calling 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:39.360 a real estate agent and saying, Hey, I've got some 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:41.240 deeds for you to come up to my hotel room 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:43.760 to look at at night. It's also possible she just 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:46.160 was like, hey, you want to fuck I was like yeah, 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:52.720 come like yeah deeds yeah. Yeah. And we've got we've 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:55.600 got two accounts of everything. We've got Sophie's autobiography, which 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:59.400 is a lie, and then we have historians who at 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:01.280 least seemed to trust everything that the police and her 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:05.240 victims say, which are also slightly less lie. Yeah exactly. 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:08.240 Like it's like like lie is Sophie, and then like 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:11.760 the victims is like sixt lie because the victims they 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:13.440 say things in court like I thought I was just 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:15.760 gonna come over late at night, this rich actress is 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:21.600 a hotel to look at deeds in her pants? Yeah, 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:24.160 and yeah, because she wasn't. I don't think she was 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:27.839 subtle in her seduction method. So she gets, she gets 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:29.520 she'll get some guy up to the hotel room, gets 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:31.680 him naked, and then throws all of his clothes out 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:35.080 the window, which it turns out to be a bad 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:38.719 move later in court. But and then it's like, look, 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:41.279 give me a thousand dollars or I'm telling everyone and 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:44.400 either telling everyone you tried to assault me or that 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:46.640 you tried to fuck me, and you're like married and shipped, right, 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:49.040 and it depends on the mark basically, which would hurt 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:53.120 his reputation more. The con because all good old timey 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:56.600 cons have names, this con is called the badger game, 0:04:57.440 --> 0:04:59.960 which apparently comes from an old timey word badger, which 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:04.120 is for a sex worker who robs her clients. Wow. Normally, 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:07.360 the con is you set it up with some guy 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:09.680 where it looks like you're about to funk, like you're 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:12.080 you know, you start getting ready to fux some dude, 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:14.719 and then your fake husband or boyfriend or possibly your 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:17.800 real husband or boyfriend whatever storms in there, suddenly back 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:19.800 from the office or something out of town trip, and 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:25.000 they're like, what, how dare you give me some money? Right? Yeah, 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:28.839 but she is a self made woman and she doesn't 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:32.000 need a male accomplice. She can do regular blackmail all 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:35.680 on her own. I will tell you this. I have 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:43.200 a teenage child who I speak very we are. Our 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:46.839 agreement is I will always keep it a whole santry. 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:49.400 I'm gonna keep it a honey with you, right, and 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:54.520 we're definitely at the like. Look, I'm gonna tell you 0:05:54.640 --> 0:06:00.120 right now, no one makes good decisions when thinking with 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:05.159 their genitals. You're just not A hundred percent of the time, 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:08.520 you are going to make the wrong decision. So like 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:13.920 I'm I'm telling you, baby, decide who you are right 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:17.760 now while all the blood flow is going to your 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:23.479 brain and not your genitals, because I swear to let 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:30.920 Daddy tell you the truth from personal experience. What yes exactly. 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:34.000 I was like, I know, I know how weird this sounds, 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:37.440 but I will be not be doing my duty as 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:41.680 as your parents without keeping it real with you. You're 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:45.800 gonna make bad decisions. You will in the heat of 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:49.680 the moment. A hundred percent of the time you are 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.040 going to make the wrong decision. And I just feel like, 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:55.720 here's another example. It's just like, look these you you 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:57.840 thinking with your pants, fam, and you're gonna make a 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:02.120 bad decision. You now your pants is out the window 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:05.120 and it's gonna call shoot thousands of dollars or you're 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:07.840 just gonna have to eat it and be like yeah now, yeah, now, 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:10.920 she got me yeah, which is what almost everyone does. 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:15.440 Everyone is like, well she got me, yeah, right, And 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:19.800 because she runs this con for decades, uh, the men 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:22.160 are generally too embarrassed to go to the police. She 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:24.760 carefully picks men with good names and something to lose. 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:29.000 But one real estate asshole. I mean, I don't know whatever. 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:30.960 I just call him an asshole because you fucking put 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:34.240 most real estate people that in my head are like 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:36.680 the gentrifiers and ship whatever. Anyway, Yeah, maybe he's a 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:39.760 perfectly reasonable fellow. I don't know. He goes to the cops, 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:42.160 claims that she drew a gun on him and forced 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:44.840 him to strip, which she might have done. I don't. 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:48.720 I don't. Yeah, I don't trust anyone who is present 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:50.480 to tell the truth about this, but I don't know. 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:54.400 In court later, one guy who works at the nearby 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:57.119 store is like, yeah, every night I saw pants flying 0:07:57.160 --> 0:08:03.960 out the window. He would like that all all the time. 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:06.680 I don't know what was going on, Yeah, Baly And 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:08.320 people are like, why didn't you say anything? Because he 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:10.040 would take the coats and stuff and bring them to 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:12.080 the hotel front desk, and he was like, I didn't 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:14.280 say anything because I didn't. It was not my business. 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:17.400 I don't want to know my business. If you thought, look, man, 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:19.640 if you look the stuff just going out the window, 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:22.560 I figured belonged to somebody. I just brought it to 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:25.800 the people. But look, and none of them. What why 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:29.560 it went out is none of my business. I am 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:33.760 in the story. I'm the clerk. That's me. Yeah, this 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:36.440 is belong to somebody. I asked no questions. I just 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:40.560 figured somebody gonna need their clothes. Yeah, maybe check the pockets. Yeah, 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:42.600 you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't know. There 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:44.520 was no idea and it won no wallet's in it. 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:47.480 It was just about, you know, and just be making 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:51.320 my making my money. They just fly out the way. Listen, 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:54.440 the money fall out the sky. What are you gonna take? 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:58.480 One of them would not take it that I even asked. 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:01.600 I said, hey, is this anybody's pay aunt? Did nobody answer? 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:05.400 So I just I don't know. Yeah, yeah, I wonder 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:07.640 if you just started selling the coats, you know, like 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:12.880 immediately the dude walks in, I'm selling it, next door, Doc, 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:15.880 that's my coat. Like, I don't know what you're talking about. 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:18.440 Found on the street. What do you talk about? Yeah, 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:22.280 take that up with someone else. Not my problem. So 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:25.160 so she's on trial, right, and so she does what 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:27.880 she always does. They give her bail and they said 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:29.880 that pretty high, you know, five a lot of money 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:32.360 back then, right, So she pays the ball, and she 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:35.360 skips town because she did under a different name, and 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:37.920 she makes a pretty major profit even with the five 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:41.240 dollar bail because that's half a night's work, goes onto 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:44.800 the next town. And at one point she updates her method. 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:47.000 I don't know if it's after the pants out the window, 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:49.360 think I'm up in court and she locks all the 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:51.360 clothes in a trunk and says, give me money or 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.199 I'm gonna keep all your clothes. Yeah, it has to 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:59.120 be because of the court. Yeah. Every time she's called yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:01.760 Every time she's caught, she pays post bail and fox 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:05.160 off different name every time. And one time she got 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:07.480 arrested and extradite under her real name. People are like 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:09.280 starting to kind of figure out who this lady is. 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:13.000 But she sticks to her story so well that it 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:18.040 ends in a hung jury. Wow. And also she hires 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:20.720 the best fucking lawyers in the country. You got all 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.120 kinds of money, and her mental health is starting to 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:25.480 come apart at this point. It's also possible that her 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:28.160 mental health was never very good. Everyone loves doing that, 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:30.600 Like was this person bipolar or did they have a 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:32.480 personality disorder or whatever the funk? I don't know she 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:34.520 also had the fucking craziest life. Like I don't know 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:37.760 what the fuck, but she um, she starts shoplifting more 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:40.720 and more brazenly in both I think Detroit and Boston. 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:43.720 The cops who arrest her are like, I don't get it. 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:46.040 She did not disguise the fact that she was stealing, 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:48.599 like right in front of me, Like she would just 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:50.599 like walk in. She's so used to getting away with 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:52.600 ship that she's like walking. Yeah. So I was gonna say, 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:54.520 sometimes you get so used to getting away with stuff, 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:59.400 you just get crazy. It just works. Yeah. In jail, 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:01.640 at one of these points, she tries to hang herself, 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:03.840 but it's also possible that she didn't really try and 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:06.240 hang herself. It was all just part of her plan 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:08.520 to like feign desperation and plead for the mercy of 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:10.920 the court. This is this is around the time that 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:13.640 she's like, I'm addicted to morphine and the cops are like, 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:16.000 now you're not. You're in the cell all night and 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:18.040 you had no signs of withdraw And she's like, I'm 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:20.600 just a poor single mother addicted to morphine. Please have 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:26.360 mercy on me. The court they're like, there's there's literally 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:30.360 no evidence in your body or yeah you don't, you've 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:35.880 you've never taken morphine, like if we can see it. Yeah, yeah. 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:41.160 And at this point, Sophie's past starts catching up with her. Specifically, 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:42.960 first one of her kids that she had shipped off 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:45.439 to boarding school. He runs away from boarding school and 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:47.480 he comes home and he's like getting involved in all 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:51.160 this crime, and then she tries to get him arrested 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:55.840 and sent to the house of refuge. And I can't 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:59.000 figure out her motive here. The best I can understand 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:01.520 it was this like desperate it. I'm convinced that the 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:05.320 juvenile facility might set you straight. I'm not sure. But 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:08.480 she takes her own kid, being like he's a terrible criminal, 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:10.199 and the kid in court it's like, no, my mom's 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:13.760 a fucking criminal. This is a soaky lions, she's a criminal. 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:19.040 Like it was not a good move. No. And then 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:24.400 her husband Ned gets out of jail. Oh, he pretty 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:26.760 immediately gets into a gunfight with the guy she was 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:32.640 probably fucking whose name is Brock. Who Yeah, no, yeah, 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:36.800 you're not, you're not smashing nobody named Brock. And also 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:40.080 if you are, like if your wife is smashing someone 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:42.640 named Brock. It's hard to funk with someone named Brock. 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:46.559 It's a little bit sketchy. Ned starts the gunfight. Brock 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:51.880 won the gunfight. Ned shows up, pulls a gun, pulls 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:54.880 the trigger, but in the struggle the hammer gets caught 0:12:54.880 --> 0:13:00.679 in the clothing and doesn't connect. No Box shoots Ned 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:04.760 twice in the chest. Ned survives. Sophie. At this point, 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:07.440 she's like, I'm done with you. I'm fucking done. I'm leaving. 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:10.000 She doesn't leave him for Brock. She just sits out 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:11.920 on her own again, because that's the way she likes it. 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:16.400 Shortly after Sophie left him, Ned gets another two bullets, 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:18.400 this time from a security guard as he's trying to 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:20.360 blow up a bank vault, and he gets one in 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:22.520 the gut and one in the neck and he still 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:26.640 fucking survives. Dude, what's wrong? Okay? Okay? I was been 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:28.600 to ask, like, I don't understand what it is about 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:33.240 this time where you could just survive gunshots four fucking times, yeah, 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:36.920 fucking three in the Torso go ahead. I do. Got 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:39.640 a homie who took nine, you know, out in the 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:43.640 city and like and I'm like, dog, you took nine. 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:49.640 He's like, yeah, I'll know what to tell you. I'm like, okay, anyway, 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:51.360 well no, I mean, like, but what do you do 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:53.440 right after that? Like I feel I feel like I 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:56.360 a shot none time. Nine times I'm probably done. Like 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:58.800 I'm like, I mean, like one, I'm probably dead or something. 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:02.319 But yeah, I don't want to live through that. Yeah, 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:05.640 and if I do, Sophie, Yeah, I love Sophie's giggle 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:09.080 because she could picture this person, right, I like, I 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:16.640 know this person just just street dude. Like yeah, I'm 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:20.080 like I went to high school with him, exactly right. 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:25.760 I'm glad he survived. Yeah, so did the guy from 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:35.760 my high school exactly so. Ned fucking gets out. He 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:38.560 pleads guilty on some other for the bank robbery. He 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:41.880 gets three years, and he fucking serves it. And Brock 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:45.960 for his part, smartest man in this entire episode. Brock 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:48.880 is like, I had a good run of this crime ship, 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:53.840 but you know what this is gonna get me killed? Yeah, out, 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:58.840 and he becomes a horse trainer in Vermont. Yes, oh 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:02.360 my god, I love it, hey Brock so much. Yeah. Yeah, 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:04.400 Brock got in and Brock did it right, He got in, 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:07.200 it got out. Yeah, he lived the high life. He 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:09.560 robbed some banks, he got in the gunfight. He won 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:13.080 the gunfight, and then he escaped a murder charge because 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:16.240 the guy survived. So you escaped a murder charge. Yeah. 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:18.800 Now he's like, man, it's too close. Yeah, I'm gonna 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:23.480 mess with these horse horses. Don't shoot back. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:28.040 Sophie goes back to her old games, running podcasts. No different, Sophie, 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:31.640 Um oh yeah. Honestly, it seems like she's getting even 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:34.000 more unhinged. At some point during all of this, she 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:36.440 shoots at a bank manager because he stops paying her 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:39.560 hush money, Like someone that she's blackmailed, like just stops 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:41.360 paying her. So she like shows up at his office 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:45.280 and like, and she doesn't shoot people. She shoots near people, 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:46.960 and that's like it seems to be her whole thing, 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:48.760 because she shoots in a lot of people, but she 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:51.280 always misses, and I think it's a it's a like 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:54.359 fuck you thing, now I'm gonna kill you thing. Yeah. 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:57.240 Another guy who stops paying her hush money, she smashes 0:15:57.320 --> 0:15:59.720 up his furniture and all this fancy art with an 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:04.320 axe in front of him. And another guy threatens her 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:07.920 with a gun for honestly understandable reasons. She gets it 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:10.200 away from him and shoots next to his head. She 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:12.120 takes his gun away, and she's like, puts it next 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:15.240 to his head and fucking pulls the trigger. And every 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:18.080 single time she gets put on trial, she gets found 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:22.320 not guilty. She spends multiple fortunes on her lawyers throughout 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:25.880 her life. Just she makes a fortune stealing a bunch 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:27.960 of ships, she turns around and gives it to her lawyer, 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:34.040 mm hmm. And at this point she's she's mostly working 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:36.440 out of Detroit. She goes and she shoplifts because it's fun, 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:40.000 and she picks pockets and she blackmails people. But I 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:41.440 don't know exactly what she was up to, but I 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:44.240 think she's the next morm. She's the She's the note 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:48.120 in a nationwide web of crime stolen goods, connecting people, 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:52.880 probably fencing um and this is what she's doing. She 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:55.800 like buys a house in Detroit and starts doing stationary 0:16:55.920 --> 0:17:00.240 crime mostly and she makes the mistake of ren teen 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:02.120 out a room in her house for cheap as hell 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:04.240 to a down and out woman who needs the favor. 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:07.960 That woman, her name is Teresa Lewis. She's like, I 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:11.960 think I'll become a snitch. No, So she starts collecting 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:16.840 evidence basically to sell to the cops because everyone's corrupt. Um. 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:20.600 The cop who she's selling the evidence to also takes 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:23.040 bribes regularly from all the other criminals in town, you know. 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:28.520 And so Sophie is like, she's she's smart. She figures 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:30.760 out this lady's a snitch. She's like, I gotta deal 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:34.640 with that. So she kicks Teresa out of the house. 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:37.920 Then she plants all these like like fur and diamonds 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:40.960 and shipped into Teresa's trunk at the new house, I think, 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:42.800 she like bribes the landlord and be like, hey, let 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:45.320 me in, And then she goes to the cop and says, 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:47.600 my ex tenants stole a ton of jewelry from me. 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:50.680 So the cops raid the fucking Teresa's house. They find 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:53.520 all the stolen jewelry that, of course, was that Sophie 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:57.120 had stolen. Yeah, of course, brilliant. And the snitch goes 0:17:57.119 --> 0:17:59.679 on trial and the chief of police is like kind 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:04.359 of try in a defend the snitch Teresa, but in 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:06.760 the process he gets all of his history of like 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:09.520 taking bribes, and ship gets dragged out and put into 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:13.119 the light, and so the chief of police has to resign. 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:20.560 Oh my god. See, snitching is never worth it, and 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:23.480 it it was this crazy gamble on Sophie's part, right 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:26.920 because the defensive case defenses cases. No, Sophie Lions is 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:29.919 a professional criminal, which is a there is a strong 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:31.919 case to be made that this professional criminal is a 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:36.280 professional criminal. Yes, And so a lot of evidence gets 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:39.000 dragged out in front of court, all of the evidence 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:42.280 that Teresa had been collecting this whole time. But in 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:45.280 the end, Teresa has found innocent. The cop goes down. 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:49.040 Sophie now has an enemy for life, but Sophie isn't 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:51.480 put up on charges, so it's kind of a draw. 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:57.920 It's also good to note that like, uh, police very 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:03.200 rarely solved crimes the snitches like somebody tails totally. You 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:05.960 don't say it like that stutic she works anyway, go on. 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:08.399 So there's one more crime character that I want to 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:11.919 throw in, just because he's an interesting character and he was. 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:14.920 Sophie's alibi was like, no, no, I wasn't robbing stuff. 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:18.200 I was hanging out with my friend, my friend John Larney, 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:21.320 who was better known by his crime name Molly Matches. 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:28.520 Why because hard. When he was a kid at a pickpocket, 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:30.880 he dressed up as a girl who was selling match 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:35.479 sticks on the street in order matches and hard. Yeah, 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:39.919 have you ever heard of match stick girls? Yes? All right, 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:42.720 well I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do the listeners 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:47.480 this this small tangent like everything, and then I just 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:49.560 basically I get really excited about including match stick girls 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:52.719 and also this weird cross dresser. So yes, like everything 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:54.920 in the late nineteenth century, if poor people had a job, 0:19:54.960 --> 0:20:00.200 that job fucking sucked. Yes, match sticks no exception. First 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:03.960 than most things. Boys made the matches by dipping sticks 0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:07.080 into sulfur and then some other ship like phosphorus, and 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:09.880 they it was white phosphorus at first, which makes strike 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:13.040 anywhere matches. Red phosphorus gets later discovered, and say you 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:16.639 get strike on box matches. Matches get called lucifers at 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:20.040 the time because of the sulfur in them. A skilled 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:22.200 worker who gets paid like fucking nothing, right when I 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:25.320 say skilled worker makes a million matches an hour. One 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:28.080 of these kids, and I mean kids in a literal sense, 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:30.679 about a third of them were kids. Most of them 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:34.000 were fourteen to eighteen or the kids were mostly fourteen 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:37.920 d eighteen. There's a couple who are under fourteen. And 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:39.680 then the women and girls took over the rest the 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:42.840 rest of the process making match sticks and passing them. 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:46.080 And but before we tell you more about match sticks, 0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:49.920 unless our next ad is match sticks white phosphorus match sticks. 0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:52.080 They may give fosse draw a necrosis to the person 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:54.280 who made them. But you can strike them anywhere, just 0:20:54.440 --> 0:20:59.399 like your grandfather used to. That's my ad for matches. 0:20:59.400 --> 0:21:04.760 Strike you anywhere, prop do you have any We try to. 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:07.280 We try to have positive things on this show, you 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:10.879 know as our sponsors. Um, is there anything on abashedly 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:13.720 positive you would like to Sophie to get as a 0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:18.760 sponsor for this podcast. Concept of potatoes being a perennial favorite. Uh, 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:21.240 I can't remember yours for the last time? What was 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:24.040 your last day? And I don't remember? Yeah, I don't know. 0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:29.880 Like really good DJs, you know it's always a good time. Yeah, 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:33.560 a really good sponsored by really good DJ. Yeah, no 0:21:33.680 --> 0:21:37.120 medio for DJs do not apply. Sophie is a good 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:40.680 judge DJ read the room, DJs, you know what I'm saying. 0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:42.960 Some DJs don't be reading the rule. You know, he's 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:47.399 a good dj our editor. Ian. You can hire Ian. 0:21:47.880 --> 0:21:50.560 I don't know if that's true. God, dj it is true, 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:54.120 is turned into a real lad. Ian and Daniel are 0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:58.440 DJ duo called gladiator. You should hire them and give 0:21:58.480 --> 0:22:03.200 them lots of money mhm. And you can also participate 0:22:03.359 --> 0:22:07.080 in the buying and selling of other goods. Since there's 0:22:07.119 --> 0:22:13.360 some ads coming up. And here's where we'll break to them. 0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:15.520 And we are back, and we're talking about the people 0:22:15.520 --> 0:22:18.120 who make matches for almost no reason except the fact 0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:21.560 that I think is interesting because it's fucked up. Anyone 0:22:21.680 --> 0:22:24.320 working with white phosphors could get something called Fossey jaw. 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:30.359 And Fossey jaw it starts as a toothache, then you 0:22:30.400 --> 0:22:33.639 get like zombie gums with sores. Then parts of your 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:37.400 jawbones start separating from the rest, and eventually your entire 0:22:37.440 --> 0:22:41.480