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Speaker 1: Order a Fresh Show. It's all right, the honorable is here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Judge Kik, your honor take it away.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's step into the court room. The gavel

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Speaker 2: has been hit and for our new friends. If you

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Speaker 2: ever want to send a case, you can hit me

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Speaker 2: up on Instagram at on air Kiki and Fresh Show Radio.

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Speaker 2: Let's get into it, it says Heiki Key. My name

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Speaker 2: is Dan. I'm a new listener and I love the show.

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Speaker 2: I've been a single dad for three years. And then,

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Speaker 2: don't try to persuade this, Okay, I'm a single dad

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Speaker 2: for three years now after my wife ran off with

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Speaker 2: another man. However, raising my girls has been the joy

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Speaker 2: of my life until recently because I'm having a big

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Speaker 2: issue with my daughter's teacher. A few months ago, I

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Speaker 2: stopped my daughters from wearing deodorant and using body wash

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Speaker 2: because of the chemicals. Well, just last week, I noticed

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Speaker 2: that my seventh grader kept coming home smelling like a

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Speaker 2: floral garden. I did some investigating and found a travel

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Speaker 3: In her backpack.

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Speaker 2: When I asked her about it, she said that her

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Speaker 2: teacher gave her what she called a smell good bag.

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Speaker 3: I was livid.

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Speaker 2: I called the teacher to remind her that I am

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Speaker 2: the father. I am the parent, and given my child

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Speaker 2: theodorant is extremely inappropriate. The teacher told me that my

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Speaker 2: child's body odor was distracting to the other students and

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Speaker 2: the only other option is to move her desk in

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Speaker 2: the hallway away from the other kids. Ki ki, I

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Speaker 2: want this teacher fired immediately. And then he goes on

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Speaker 2: to list her name and the school, which I won't

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Speaker 2: read on air.

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Speaker 3: Am I wrong?

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Speaker 4: Wow? A smell good bag?

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Speaker 3: A smell good bag?

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Speaker 1: Damn yeah, Dad, anybody ever handed me a smell good bag?

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Speaker 1: I would just crumble into a pile of nothing. Oh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would just cease to exist. My god, you never

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Speaker 1: see me again. The person who handed me said smell

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Speaker 1: good bag. I would change my name and move to

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Speaker 1: a foreign country and where the nosed classes mustache combination

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Speaker 4: Judge Kinky? What say you?

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Speaker 5: Dan?

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the family. First of all, welcome to the family,

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Speaker 3: and we love you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, However, you cannot send your kid to school smelling

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Speaker 2: like funk Master flet okay, because you have just decided

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Speaker 2: on a Tuesday to boycott deodorant, like, there has to

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Speaker 2: be another alternative, you know what I'm saying, There has

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Speaker 2: to be another option. I don't like to sit. Teachers

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Speaker 2: up in here. And then she tried to be helpful,

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Speaker 2: I think, by giving her a little bag of toilet trees.

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Speaker 2: And I don't think the teacher is wrong in this scenario,

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Speaker 2: because what do you want her to do?

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Speaker 1: Well, we talk about this all the time. First of all,

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Speaker 1: I do think she probably should have talked to the

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Speaker 1: kind of product, you can see that. But at the

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Speaker 1: same time, we talk about how teachers do so much

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Speaker 1: and a lot of ways they're sadly, uh doing duties

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Speaker 1: you know. I think the teacher was probably just trying

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Speaker 1: which is why you would want to have that conversation

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I'm just assuming here that the seventh grader

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Speaker 3: But for sure, feel so bad.

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Speaker 6: I can't blame the teacher because, like we talked about,

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Speaker 6: I'm sure they can recognize like which students might need

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Speaker 3: And I think I'm really really happy that that's provided.

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Speaker 6: So maybe it was something like that when the teacher

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, So you can't necessarily give a child food

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Speaker 1: to be probably social workers, it's people who could intervene.

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Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, maybe you go to the

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Speaker 1: the reason why I think this is happening versus I

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Speaker 4: There's got to be another way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think everybody here was was well intended.

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Speaker 1: Hey Amber, yes, him, good morning, Good morning, eight five

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Speaker 4: What say you?

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Speaker 7: So?

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Speaker 5: I have three late teens early twenties kids, and I

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Speaker 5: her body her choice. That's what I tell my kids.

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Speaker 5: You know, they can do whatever they want with their hair.

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Speaker 5: They can do they could, they could wear yodorant. I mean,

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Speaker 5: they and so he should really be talking with his

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Speaker 5: young people and making good choices overnight. So he needs

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Speaker 1: His daughter when And I'm not a parent, and or

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Speaker 1: when do you When does that transition take place where

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Speaker 5: I think it's gradual, right, So when they're little, they can.

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Speaker 5: When they get older, they can choose their hair. Anything

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Speaker 5: that's not permanent. I tell my kids before eighteen, you

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Speaker 5: wait until you're eighteen because that's more of a permanent choice.

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Speaker 5: And while I still believe that it's their body, their

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Speaker 4: So I feel like they.

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Speaker 5: Need to be at a point where they can legally

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Speaker 1: I think it's while the teacher was doing tattoos and piercings.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy for it. I mean, that's that's crazy. That's

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Speaker 1: I mean that to me, that's a little much. But

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Speaker 1: you know, thank you, An have a great day.

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Speaker 8: Thank you too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, Aaron, how you doing.

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Speaker 3: I'm all right with you.

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Speaker 4: Hey, good morning, welcome Geeky's Court. What say you?

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Speaker 1: So?

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Speaker 8: I just wanted to make the point that everybody's saying,

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Speaker 8: this dead is also putting this teecher on blast right

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Speaker 1: Good point, Okay, all right, because so cause he reached

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Speaker 1: out to Keiki's court, and because we're talking about this

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Speaker 1: I don't know this person, but what you're saying is

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, because why would the dad not just assume

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Speaker 9: positive intent, like oh shoot that I got to do

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Speaker 9: something about my kid, and this teacher was trying to help.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Aaron, thank you. Have a good day

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Speaker 1: you too, well, I know, without getting too much into it.

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Speaker 1: I also have a question about so you said that

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Speaker 1: it's his daughter, but the mom is not present.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the mom is not in the picture. So he's

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Speaker 1: I have at least one friend whose wife passed away

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Speaker 1: when they had a young daughter, and I often kind

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Speaker 1: is it possible that he doesn't Maybe, And again, I

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Speaker 1: don't know this guy. I'm not I'm not saying anything

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Speaker 1: negative about him, but maybe there needs to be a

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Speaker 1: female influence involved here because and maybe, and maybe that's

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Speaker 1: what the teacher was trying to do, because I know

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Speaker 1: that's a very tenuous age and there's transition going on,

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Speaker 1: and there are things that are probably happening that he

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Speaker 1: doesn't understand as a man. Right And it doesn't there's

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Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that. It's not his fault. Yeah, but like,

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe maybe there does need to be a

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Speaker 1: these things are happening, And how as a man would

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Speaker 1: I know if I didn't have someone sort of consulting

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Speaker 3: That would be helpful to him.

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Speaker 2: But I also think if you just make this decision

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Speaker 2: to sing your child to school with no deodorant and

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Speaker 2: no fragrance, you know you should discuss that with her

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Speaker 2: like you can't just make those decisions for her without

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And is it Shanita or Shanta?

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Speaker 4: Shanta? How you doing?

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Speaker 7: I'm good?

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Speaker 4: How are you very well? What do you want to say?

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Speaker 7: Okay, So this dad, he's completely out of line. You

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Speaker 7: have to think about it. These are girls, and he's

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Speaker 7: have to think it's maybe they're getting bullied or talked

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Speaker 7: about at school. And it's plenty products out here that

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Speaker 7: don't have the harsh chemicals in them that some do.

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Speaker 1: She runs helves down with a tree every day and

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Speaker 4: Rarely. Do I have an odor issue with kaylor snubby coming?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think the dad should have probably looked into

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Speaker 1: I think there's a misunderstanding here maybe or maybe just

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Speaker 1: I don't know, because there are your point, there are

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Speaker 4: Are others or the there are other options.

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Speaker 1: It's it's a little bigger than that than just I

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Speaker 4: Have to come up with an alternative of that. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and these are girls, like you can't just up

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: And I also think that the girls need to make

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Speaker 10: or whatever. You can't you can't decide that for them

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Speaker 10: the whole natural dedan thing.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a good point. Thank you, have a great day.

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Speaker 7: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Glad you called Kiki's court. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So this this dad is writing in because his twelve

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Speaker 1: you're not going to give my kid. You know, you

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Speaker 4: Hey Nicole, yes, hi, good morning. What do you want

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Speaker 4: to saying? I love you guys, love you too, thank you.

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Speaker 11: But I disagree this time, and I just sure because

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Speaker 11: I feel like the teacher. I mean, yes, seventh grade

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Speaker 11: think the teacher giving her a smell good beat is

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Speaker 11: telling her she's smells bad, but there's a better way

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Speaker 11: like a smell good bag. I just don't like how

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Speaker 12: That language, or you know, she could have given her

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Speaker 11: It's come she's come home a couple of times.

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Speaker 12: And like he's tried to tell the girl not to

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Speaker 12: with the teacher, which is again something him and his

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Speaker 11: A little overboard there.

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Speaker 12: And I don't like the terminology used there of a

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Speaker 12: she smells bad and she doesn't deserve to be around everyone,

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Speaker 12: and so there's there's a there's a middle ground here,

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Speaker 12: But I just I really feel like he has good

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Speaker 11: You really go through the father, not through the daughter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that makes sense. I think there's a

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Speaker 1: compromise here for sure. Thank you, Nicole, Thank you, have

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Speaker 1: a good day. Glad you called. Okay, So case not closed,

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Speaker 3: Hit but the teachers that deal with all kinds of stuff.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I'm saying too. It's like you guys

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