Speaker 1: You're listening to Facing Evil, a production of iHeartRadio and
Speaker 1: Tenderfoot TV. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast
Speaker 1: are solely those of the individuals participating in the show
Speaker 1: and do not represent those of iHeartRadio or Tenderfoot TV.
Speaker 1: This podcast contains subject matter which may not be suitable
Speaker 1: for everyone. Listener discretion is advised.
Speaker 2: Hello, everyone, welcome back to Facing Evil. I'm Rasha Peccuerero
Speaker 2: and a big welcome back to my beautiful sister.
Speaker 3: Yes Spongourno. Everyone, I am Eve Gentile and as Rasha said,
Speaker 3: I am back from Italia, which was amazing, but I'm
Speaker 3: also equally excited to be back in the studio with
Speaker 3: my A team. And I'm especially excited because we have
Speaker 3: a guest in the house today that I am really
Speaker 3: looking forward to speaking with.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm looking forward to that as well. But we
Speaker 2: are going to be looking at the story of Irma Martinez.
Speaker 2: Irma was a Filipino living made for a wealthy family
Speaker 2: here in the US, but sadly it became much more
Speaker 2: than that. The family exploited her labor and trapped her
Speaker 2: there for years, and this eventually became a disturbing case
Speaker 2: of modern day slavery.
Speaker 3: That's right, Russia. It's terrible, but it points to a
Speaker 3: bigger issue of human trafficking in this country, especially for
Speaker 3: force slabor. And with us here to talk about that
Speaker 3: today will be Remy Adelaike g. Remy is a former
Speaker 3: Navy seal who is now a filmmaker and he recently
Speaker 3: made a short film about human trafficking. I am so
Speaker 3: looking forward to this discussion today with Remy.
Speaker 2: I am as well. Remy is incredible. But first our
Speaker 2: producer Trevor is going to walk us through today's case.
Speaker 1: Irma Martinez is a Filipino woman who was coerced into
Speaker 1: indentured servitude for a wealthy Wisconsin family for nineteen years.
Speaker 1: The case was a shocking example of modern day human
Speaker 1: and labor trafficking. In nineteen eighty five, at the age
Speaker 1: of nineteen, Irma was approached by a woman named Elnorra
Speaker 1: kayleem Limb. She offered Irma a job as a housekeeper
Speaker 1: at the kalem lim household in America. Elnorra and her
Speaker 1: husband Jefferson, were busy doctors and had three children. Irma
Speaker 1: was promised job stability and a steady income that she
Speaker 1: could send back to her family in the Philippines. She
Speaker 1: agreed to work for an initial five years. The family
Speaker 1: flew with her to America under the guise that she
Speaker 1: was one of their patients. She arrived in the United
Speaker 1: States on a tourist visa. The kalam Limbs reportedly knew
Speaker 1: how to bring a foreign citizen into the US to
Speaker 1: work legally, but they chose not to. Had they done that,
Speaker 1: they would have needed to sign an employer contract, pay
Speaker 1: her fair wages, and limit her duties to those appropriate
Speaker 1: for her job classification. But when she arrived, the family
Speaker 1: took her passport and told her she owed them for
Speaker 1: travel expenses. She worked seven days a week for sixteen
Speaker 1: hours a day, cleaning the home and caring for the children.
Speaker 1: If she slept past six am, Elinor and Jefferson would
Speaker 1: scold her and tell her that she should be concerned
Speaker 1: next time it happened. They led her to believe she
Speaker 1: was in the country illegally, so therefore she could not
Speaker 1: open a bank account and they could not pay her.
Speaker 1: They also told her that if anyone found her, she
Speaker 1: would be jailed and deported. Because of this, they told
Speaker 1: her she couldn't walk around the neighborhood. She was never
Speaker 1: even allowed to open the front door. When the children
Speaker 1: came home from school, she would open the garage door
Speaker 1: from the inside so no one would see her. Despite
Speaker 1: both the Kayalam Limbs being doctors, they repeatedly denied Irma
Speaker 1: medical treatment. When Irma had a broken tooth, they refused
Speaker 1: to take her to a dentist, and when she was
Speaker 1: doubled over from menstrual cramps, Elinor ridiculed her and told
Speaker 1: her she would never have children. Jefferson would often get
Speaker 1: angry after drinking alcohol, and on one occasion threw a
Speaker 1: shoe at Irma. In the late nineties, one of the sons, Jack,
Speaker 1: brought home a girlfriend named Sherry. Sherry noticed Irma and
Speaker 1: became suspicious. After probing the family further, she eventually tipped
Speaker 1: off the US Department of Immigration and Naturalization Services. She
Speaker 1: broke down in tears during the call and stated that quote,
Speaker 1: no one should live under those conditions. That is just
Speaker 1: not humane. On September twenty ninth, two thousand and four,
Speaker 1: FBI and Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents raided the home
Speaker 1: with the surge warrant. The agents went into the basement
Speaker 1: and found a secret room they opened it and found
Speaker 1: Irma shaking in fear. She was thirty eight years old.
Speaker 1: After her rescue, Irma was granted a tea visa for
Speaker 1: trafficking victims. As it turns out, in nineteen years, Irma's
Speaker 1: family received only nineteen thousand dollars from the Kalem Limbs.
Speaker 1: The Kalem Limbs were ordered to pay back over nine
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars in back wages and were sentenced to
Speaker 1: four years in prison each. About the case, acting US
Speaker 1: Attorney Michelle Jacobs said, quote, human trafficking is a form
Speaker 1: of modern day slavery and is simply not acceptable. No
Speaker 1: person should ever be forced to live in fear, virtual isolation,
Speaker 1: and servitude. And so what happened to Irma Martinez and
Speaker 1: how does her story reflect a troubling practice of human
Speaker 1: trafficking in the US and across the world.
Speaker 3: Without further ado, we are so incredibly blessed to have
Speaker 3: the one, the only, Remy Adeleik on the show today
Speaker 3: and he's going to be discussing with us the broader
Speaker 3: issue of human trafficking.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, Remy, you were a.
Speaker 3: Navy seal for thirteen years, which is unbelievable and amazing,
Speaker 3: and then you went on to go into acting directing.
Speaker 3: You just did a film called The Unexpected, which I
Speaker 3: just have to tell you I watched last night and
Speaker 3: it's so mind blowing, it's so educating, and it's so
Speaker 3: deeply saddening. Kudos to that. It's a brilliant well directed
Speaker 3: You wrote it and directed as well.
Speaker 5: As You have a.
Speaker 3: Memoir book called Transformed, which I have to tell you
Speaker 3: on the plane from Rome to San Francisco I read
Speaker 3: and I was just literally blown away by your story.
Speaker 3: I mean one of my very first movies growing up
Speaker 3: as a child was Coming to America and to read
Speaker 3: your book and know your history and to know that
Speaker 3: you came and you come from royalty, it's such an
Speaker 3: incredible story. So if you could just share with our
Speaker 3: listeners how this came about, where you came from, I mean,
Speaker 3: how you grew up, all the things, all the things
Speaker 3: remy Yeah, I'll.
Speaker 5: Just feel free to stop me if I'm going to lawn.
Speaker 5: Never never feel free.
Speaker 6: To interject, because you know, there's so much of my
Speaker 6: story that I skip stuff.
Speaker 5: So if there's.
Speaker 6: Anything you remember from the book or you will be
Speaker 6: to share, just Hey, what about that alcohol?
Speaker 2: I will, I will, But I.
Speaker 6: Tell people all the time that you know, my story
Speaker 6: actually really starts with my dad's story. Yes, because as
Speaker 6: you mentioned, my grandfather was a chief in the euro
Speaker 6: of a tribe.
Speaker 5: And our last name at Day lake Game.
Speaker 6: At Day means crown and lake a means is supreme
Speaker 6: in euro love. And my first name is actually at
Speaker 6: Day Remy. A lot of people don't know that. You
Speaker 6: think it's Remy, and it's actually at Day Roman, which
Speaker 6: means the crown has appeased me.
Speaker 5: So my father was born as he was a firstborn
Speaker 5: son to.
Speaker 6: My grandfather who had like nine wives and he kept
Speaker 6: on having daughters. And the tradition at the time in
Speaker 6: Nigeria and you're of a still to this day, is
Speaker 6: you know, the firstborn son becomes the chief and is
Speaker 6: the leader.
Speaker 5: Of the tribe and the family, whatever the case may be.
Speaker 6: And so my grandfather died when my when my father
Speaker 6: was about eight years old. So my grandfather died when
Speaker 6: my dad was young as well, and all the wives dispersed,
Speaker 6: They were all given stipends, and you know, they all
Speaker 6: pretty much dispersed to different places. And my grandmother wrote
Speaker 6: my father down to the south of Nigeria and Lagos
Speaker 6: and at the time they were missionaries there and they
Speaker 6: were teaching science and math and a bunch of different things.
Speaker 5: And my dad was very intelligent.
Speaker 6: As a matter of fact, before he was six or
Speaker 6: seven years old, he had memorized the Krome, so he
Speaker 6: was he just had this very intellectual you know, he
Speaker 6: picked up things fast. He had a very diverse, wow,
Speaker 6: supernatural brain.
Speaker 5: Like that. My father actually has more. He's a really
Speaker 5: really smart guy.
Speaker 3: He's a he's an engineer, right, yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he just moved back from Saudi Arabia. He was
Speaker 6: out there for eight years working at Saudi Ramco, helping
Speaker 6: them find oil and electure. You know, I'm not smart
Speaker 6: on all of this, so lot of contests, please forgive me,
Speaker 6: but you know, working on the system to help fine
Speaker 6: oil and now he works with Doe.
Speaker 5: So back to my dad. So so my dad, you know,
Speaker 5: he got it.
Speaker 6: He ended up getting pull Right scholarship to study engineering
Speaker 6: and architecture in London, and he went to London and
Speaker 6: you know, he excelled after he graduated, got his bachelors
Speaker 6: and at his master's and then he just started working
Speaker 6: and Ronnie he was the first black man on the
Speaker 6: board of the British Financial.
Speaker 7: Planning Council in the UK.
Speaker 5: Beautiful, and he.
Speaker 6: Came to the States and he started traveling back and
Speaker 6: forth from the States because one of his good friends
Speaker 6: was the architect of the World Trade Center a Japan.
Speaker 6: I'm always pronounced his name wrong. It's fresh in my
Speaker 6: mind because my scory got picked up to be a
Speaker 6: movie with a major studio. I can't mention it yet.
Speaker 2: Congratula.
Speaker 3: I have to interject here because as I was reading
Speaker 3: the book, you know, because we read it when we
Speaker 3: were driving through Italy. I read it when we were
Speaker 3: flying on the plane, and when we were driving, I
Speaker 3: was reading it out loud to my husband and like
Speaker 3: he was so engrossed. We were both so engrossed, and
Speaker 3: I could see it visually, I could see it. So congratulations,
Speaker 3: well deserved.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but a lot of this is fresh in my
Speaker 6: mind because I just finished writing the film, you know,
Speaker 6: after the writer's strike, because this is a big, big
Speaker 6: writers strike, we could start.
Speaker 5: Moving forward on other things.
Speaker 6: But you know, my dad's again, my dad's a good
Speaker 6: friend with Manori and he's with architect or World Trade Center.
Speaker 5: So my dad ended up being one of the first
Speaker 5: black men on the border.
Speaker 6: The World Trade Center in the United States, New York
Speaker 6: and so and that was kind of how he met
Speaker 6: my mom. As you mentioned coming to America, my mom
Speaker 6: Dad's story.
Speaker 5: Is to Americas, you know, and what you know, they
Speaker 5: fell in love and my.
Speaker 6: Mom moved to Nigeria and my dad ended up going
Speaker 6: back to Nigeria a little bit before he met my mom.
Speaker 6: But you know, I'll just jump to that part of
Speaker 6: the story because he wanted he felt like Nigeria can
Speaker 6: be like the West.
Speaker 5: A lot of people realize that.
Speaker 6: Africa in general is so so rich in resources, and
Speaker 6: Nigeria in particulars rich and.
Speaker 5: Oil, very very rich in oil, rich and natural gas,
Speaker 5: coco gold. I mean, I was in Nigeria a couple
Speaker 5: of years ago actually, when I.
Speaker 6: When I was writing a book, I went to finish
Speaker 6: writing the book in Nigeria and I.
Speaker 7: Went there to just get the.
Speaker 5: Deal of the land.
Speaker 6: And I interviewed one of my dad's mentees and he
Speaker 6: said that, you know, so many Nigerians and Africans believe
Speaker 6: that Nigeria is the cradle of civilization. Wow, because of
Speaker 6: how many resources come out of Nigeria, but also how
Speaker 6: intelligent Nigerian people are, like just like just brilliant minds. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and so because of all the resources, my dad was like,
Speaker 6: Nigeria needs to be like the US. And so he
Speaker 6: went back to Nigeria and went well, my mom was
Speaker 6: with him at this point, and he started businesses and
Speaker 6: he had started an architecture firm and engineering firm.
Speaker 5: He's had car dealerships and he had all.
Speaker 6: Of these different businesses and his goal was to create
Speaker 6: like a Wall Street. So buy a plot of land
Speaker 6: and create like this massive wall street in Nigeria with
Speaker 6: people from all around the world can come and do
Speaker 6: business and trade and look at Nigeria, look at Africa
Speaker 6: in a different way.
Speaker 5: He was very passionate about his people.
Speaker 8: So he bought this massive plot of land almost the
Speaker 8: size of a small city called Amerco, and he was
Speaker 8: going to use that land to develop his African Wall Street.
Speaker 5: And it was a military coup in the seventies.
Speaker 6: And when a military coup happened, the land got taken
Speaker 6: by the new military regime and everything was just thrown.
Speaker 5: The politicians were executed. I mean, it was just it
Speaker 5: was just crazy, how heartbreaking.
Speaker 6: He waited for the Nigerian government to get reinstalled and
Speaker 6: eventually didn't want to say, Like it was the late
Speaker 6: seventies in the early eighties and democracy was re established
Speaker 6: and he started going to court and started fighting the
Speaker 6: Nigerian government. And that's kind of around the time I
Speaker 6: was born. Like around that time, the Nigerians federal government.
Speaker 6: I said to my dad, Okay, what do you want.
Speaker 6: We have we proved that this land was yours. I
Speaker 6: can't give you this land back, you know, but you
Speaker 6: want your money back because he spent eight million pounds
Speaker 6: at the time. They offered him the money back and
Speaker 6: he said, no, I don't want the money back. I
Speaker 6: want another plot of land. And they said, we're not
Speaker 6: going to give you another plot of land. He said, okay,
Speaker 6: can you give me this swamp like it was a
Speaker 6: lagoon but.
Speaker 5: It was literally a swamp.
Speaker 6: And everybody laughed at my dad and they were just like, swamp,
Speaker 6: what are you going to do with his fun? He said,
Speaker 6: don't worry about it, give it to me. Because my
Speaker 6: dad was, as I said, he was such a brilliant
Speaker 6: man and he was full of thinking and his mindset
Speaker 6: was if I can build something where there was never nothing.
Speaker 5: Then no one could ever say that was mine, or
Speaker 5: he stole it from me, or he did this, and
Speaker 5: he did that.
Speaker 6: And so he raised a lot more money and invest
Speaker 6: a lot more of his money, and they gave him
Speaker 6: the swamp. And that's when he hired Dutch engineers and
Speaker 6: other engineers from other parts of the world and minority
Speaker 6: who designed the World Trade Center, and they started dredging
Speaker 6: the foreshore to build an island, to make a man
Speaker 6: made island. And so again I was born at this time.
Speaker 6: So when I was born, I was going into the wealth.
Speaker 6: I was born into, you know, traveling the world. We
Speaker 6: had drivers and we had cooks, and we lived on
Speaker 6: a company. Didn't live in a house. We lived on
Speaker 6: a compound on Victoria Island, which is like the equivalent
Speaker 6: of Beverly Hills or Cornado Anthons. We lived a life
Speaker 6: love Me and my brother. We went to a very
Speaker 6: prestigious private school. And I remember when my dad would.
Speaker 5: Come pick us up and walk the halls or people.
Speaker 6: Would like like literally bow to him like cheap hatty
Speaker 6: Lake and you're excellent, and call him all with these
Speaker 6: cool names. I'm just this little kid. And so that
Speaker 6: was the life that I was essentially going into. We
Speaker 6: didn't work for anything, Remy.
Speaker 2: I really want to know more about your time in
Speaker 2: the Navy Seals. And I have to tell our listeners.
Speaker 2: And I know you already know this because we've talked
Speaker 2: about this my wife and daughter and I fell madly
Speaker 2: in love with you watching Special Forces World's Toughest Tests
Speaker 2: on Fox.
Speaker 1: But please, please, please.
Speaker 2: Please, Remmy, can you tell us a little bit more
Speaker 2: about you know, your time in the Navy Seals and like,
Speaker 2: is that where you saw human trafficking becoming an issue?
Speaker 3: Did you see?
Speaker 5: I mean I was, and I wasn't.
Speaker 6: So I was in a sense that when I was
Speaker 6: overseas doing missions, we would hit houses if we would
Speaker 6: go out the targets, big, big time guys. And they
Speaker 6: had wives who were twelve He's a thirty forty year
Speaker 6: old man. They had multiple wives who are twelve, thirteen,
Speaker 6: you know, pregnant, you know, and fourteen fifteen, And so
Speaker 6: you know, it's.
Speaker 5: Hard for me to say that's human trafficking.
Speaker 6: But at the same time, I want to be careful
Speaker 6: about you know, I don't want to offend, but you know,
Speaker 6: certain cultures, you know, it's it's acceptable and certain cultures,
Speaker 6: girls and women aren't property.
Speaker 5: It's a second class set.
Speaker 6: And so you know, so for me as an as
Speaker 6: an American, you know that to me is a form
Speaker 6: of trafficking. And you know what, and we'll get down
Speaker 6: into it later, but that happens here in the States, yes, you.
Speaker 5: Know, and on a big world.
Speaker 6: As a matter of fact, you know, the United States
Speaker 6: drives the demand for sex trafficking. We are the biggest,
Speaker 6: you know, culprit as it relates to utilizing materials and
Speaker 6: victims of sex traffic, materials that are that are used,
Speaker 6: that are created with sex traffic victims, underage kids. So
Speaker 6: America drives the demand. A lot of people don't realize that,
Speaker 6: but we do. And so it happens either. But it
Speaker 6: happened there, but in a different way. I didn't have
Speaker 6: the when I was overseas. I didn't get the opportunity
Speaker 6: to serve, serve in northern Iraq where the guysds you know,
Speaker 6: were But I mean, you know the story from our
Speaker 6: shortcom that's that's a true event, you know that I
Speaker 6: believe it was. Toowenty fourteen was the last genocide that
Speaker 6: was documented. Body willin considered a genocide Bobby Willing and
Speaker 6: Gazes people.
Speaker 5: The men were murdered, the old women were murdered.
Speaker 6: And the young girls were taken and used as sex
Speaker 6: slaves and traffic for organ harvesting, and we used the
Speaker 6: labor right.
Speaker 5: And so I didn't get a chance to serve.
Speaker 6: In that area, but I do have a really really
Speaker 6: good friend of mine who did.
Speaker 5: He served with some Gazes people.
Speaker 6: He ended up up unfortunately, he ended up killed on
Speaker 6: Operation Charlie Kete.
Speaker 5: But you know, so I'm sure he was exposed to
Speaker 5: on that level.
Speaker 6: But again going back to my original answer, yes, I
Speaker 6: would say from through the lens of the westerner an American,
Speaker 6: but through the lens of somebody in the particular cultures
Speaker 6: where operated.
Speaker 5: And that's not being trafficking to them, but to me
Speaker 5: it is explainkery right, R.
Speaker 6: Take somebody against their will and forced them to even
Speaker 6: to whether it's marry you.
Speaker 5: For some.
Speaker 6: It's slavery. You know, there are times when I even
Speaker 6: the term human trafficking because I feel like it borders
Speaker 6: down what it really is.
Speaker 5: It's slavery.
Speaker 3: Slavery, Yeah, it's slavery exactly. That's what I was going
Speaker 3: to say, because you know your movie, you know, Unexpected,
Speaker 3: the short film that you were just talking about. That
Speaker 3: movie is all about Oregon harvesting, which was I mean
Speaker 3: completely mind blowing to me. And how it starts one
Speaker 3: place and then it takes you back, you know, within
Speaker 3: hours of how everything transpires, and it's all across the
Speaker 3: world that this is taking place, you know, where someone
Speaker 3: is supposedly gaining something but someone else is losing a
Speaker 3: life because of it. Can you talk to us a
Speaker 3: little bit about that?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's one that I would say, I gravit
Speaker 6: sate dude. I'll back up and kind of say how
Speaker 6: I kind of got into it. So after I got
Speaker 6: out of the seal teams in twenty sixteen, I was,
Speaker 6: you know, volunteering with a lot of different nonprofits, you know.
Speaker 5: The type of nonprofit that kept on.
Speaker 6: I kept on getting reached out to by contacted buying
Speaker 6: these a different nonprofit, different or human trafficking nonprofits. You know.
Speaker 6: One year, Slave to Nothing reached out to me and said, hey,
Speaker 6: we're we're doing a fundraiser for your human traf and
Speaker 6: I never heard of, I never heard of from the traffic.
Speaker 6: I was like, you know what, but I was like, yeah, whatever,
Speaker 6: I'll go help out with that. Then there was another
Speaker 6: human trafficking nonprofit out and Sacramento. I can't recall the
Speaker 6: name them of it, but they reached out to me
Speaker 6: and it were just like, hey, can you come up
Speaker 6: and help us out and partner or partner with us
Speaker 6: or human drafting see you hear your Navy seal and
Speaker 6: you got this background and come help out. And I
Speaker 6: was like sure, like I'll go. And it just kept
Speaker 6: on happening and happening, and then finally, I want to
Speaker 6: say it, around two thousand and seventeen, I got contacted
Speaker 6: by specific human trafficking.
Speaker 5: Nonprofit that partners with former.
Speaker 6: Special Operations guys and former agency guys and women and
Speaker 6: former analysts a.
Speaker 5: CIA, d I and all these you know.
Speaker 6: Say people, and they go into other countries and here
Speaker 6: in the US. So they operate both in the US
Speaker 6: but also in other countries to help rescue children drafting
Speaker 6: sex trafficking. Now, because of international laws, of course, they
Speaker 6: can't just operate you know autonomy, right, and so you know,
Speaker 6: the targets that they go after are targets We're Americans.
Speaker 6: So they target broccos where Americans travel to.
Speaker 5: To have sex with underage girls.
Speaker 6: So that's kind of how they're able to essentially carry
Speaker 6: out these raids.
Speaker 5: And so they sent me a video, one of the
Speaker 5: one of the contacts.
Speaker 6: They sent me a video like it was actual, like
Speaker 6: a documentary and actual footage.
Speaker 5: And I saw it and I showed it to my wife.
Speaker 6: And my wife so I was a doctor and our right,
Speaker 6: you know, because she hears it's these crazy stuff. She
Speaker 6: used to work in community and medicine and now she
Speaker 6: works with Charlotte, and she said, I don't care, really,
Speaker 6: whatever you gotta do, whenever you get wherever you gotta go,
Speaker 6: and whatever you gotta do, you do something. You put
Speaker 6: your skill set to use and you go get these savages.
Speaker 6: And so like Roger that, and so I signed up
Speaker 6: and I started working with this particularly human trafficking nonprofit.
Speaker 6: And you know, our job was to go into these
Speaker 6: places and my job in the seal teams, I was
Speaker 6: a humid guy. I was a medic but I was
Speaker 6: also a human guy, which stands in human intelligence. So
Speaker 6: I kind of led the best of both worlds. Like
Speaker 6: I took work on like the agency side of things
Speaker 6: and running sources and building intelligent packages and Espona and
Speaker 6: tradecraft and all the other stuff and using that to
Speaker 6: essentially build mission packages to go after bad guys. But
Speaker 6: then I also got to go in the missions and
Speaker 6: kick down doors, so I was able to kind of
Speaker 6: utilize that skill set in the human trafficking side of things.
Speaker 6: And and I just remember, you know, going down at
Speaker 6: dr and just sing and saying I was we were
Speaker 6: in this particular slum where the parents sell their daughters
Speaker 6: to traffickers, right, and I.
Speaker 5: Remember walking through this particular slum. I was just like
Speaker 5: a shock. I was just ack.
Speaker 6: And our job at this particular, this particular job, and
Speaker 6: I'll say that at.
Speaker 5: The airports was not more.
Speaker 6: That was not much of kicking down doors and getting
Speaker 6: traffickers arresting kids. Our job was essentially talked to the
Speaker 6: parents and just say, hey, listen, this is what's happening
Speaker 6: to your daughters, like you need to stop doing that,
Speaker 6: and to also give give the family's resources so that
Speaker 6: they wanted to sell their daughters and they knew what
Speaker 6: was happening, but we had to really like, hey, these
Speaker 6: are your daughters.
Speaker 5: Like he.
Speaker 6: And I remember this one guy who was a liaison.
Speaker 6: Of course, he lived in dr.
Speaker 5: And he saw a frustrated.
Speaker 8: And he pulled me as oude and he's like, because
Speaker 8: I couldn't understand.
Speaker 6: It, and he pulled me aside, and he pulled me
Speaker 6: into this chapel. And in this chapel at the end
Speaker 6: of the chapel, the chapel was no bigger than the
Speaker 6: size of two like handicapped toilet stalls like that was
Speaker 6: like the chapel wasn't big at all.
Speaker 5: At the other end of the chapel was his dead
Speaker 5: baby basket that had just died. A baby. It was
Speaker 5: probably about six months old.
Speaker 6: And he explained to me that the reason why the
Speaker 6: baby died was because the mother, you know, she wasn't
Speaker 6: getting enough getting enough food assessments to have milk dried up,
Speaker 6: and so she was getting flowing and mixing in the flooring.
Speaker 5: With the local water.
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, order it and it's slum. It's not consumable,
Speaker 6: and that's ultimately what killed the baby. But he was saying, reymer,
Speaker 6: this is their plight. Either they sell their one daughter
Speaker 6: and get money on a consistent basis from what their
Speaker 6: daughter's doing, or all their children died. Wow, And that
Speaker 6: really put things into perspective to me, and when I
Speaker 6: came to realize that that moment was whether on the
Speaker 6: trafficking side of things or whether the victim. It all
Speaker 6: comes back to desperation, like the parents are desperate for
Speaker 6: resources and the traffickers, which it's still evils.
Speaker 5: It doesn't justify it. They're desperate for money. There's so
Speaker 5: many people that are not even aware of it. You know.
Speaker 6: Human trafficking alone is a multi billion dollar industries. Is
Speaker 6: estimated to be one hundred and fifty billion dollar industry internationally,
Speaker 6: thirty five plus billion our industry in America. Okay, organ harvesting,
Speaker 6: it's really really hard to predict how much, but we
Speaker 6: know that it's definitely a multi billion dollar industry.
Speaker 5: But it's just it flies.
Speaker 6: It's hard to predict because victims often die, you know.
Speaker 6: And these traffickers are so sophisticated. These organ harvesting rings
Speaker 6: are very, very very sophisticated.
Speaker 5: These they have endless resources and money weren't into this,
Speaker 5: into this, and it's just it's things. People are so intelligent.
Speaker 6: The majority of people who are part of these organ
Speaker 6: harvesting rings, what are they?
Speaker 5: The doctors, Wow.
Speaker 6: The nurses, they have to be As a matter of fact,
Speaker 6: there was an organ harvesting ring that was busted in
Speaker 6: Cairo in twenty sixteen. A lot of people don't know this,
Speaker 6: but Cairo, Egypt is the organ harvesting capital of the world, which.
Speaker 5: A lot of people don't know.
Speaker 2: No, I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: Do we know why Cairo.
Speaker 6: Is because of the migrant situation? The migrant situation, so
Speaker 6: you have you have people from different parts of Africa
Speaker 6: that are trying to and in the Middle East that
Speaker 6: are trying to get to Egypt.
Speaker 5: Where are moving up from Africa.
Speaker 6: To thea You're kind of similar to how you know
Speaker 6: here that we have a lot of people from South America, Which.
Speaker 5: That's a whole conversation.
Speaker 6: I mean to talk about how the migrant has created
Speaker 6: this massive human trafficking. Just conline were going to border.
Speaker 6: It's forrific. But so that's what's happening in ANGP. We're
Speaker 6: getting a lot of people that are moving from Africa
Speaker 6: and even different parts of the Middle.
Speaker 5: East to try and move in Egypt, to move north
Speaker 5: into Europe.
Speaker 6: And so these people get trapped there and they get
Speaker 6: desperate and they get promised, hey, you know, we'll figure
Speaker 6: a way to get you into Italy or get you
Speaker 6: into Spain or wherever the kids may be.
Speaker 5: But it's going to cost you. It's going to cast
Speaker 5: you a thousand dollars. A thousand dollars to them is
Speaker 5: like one hundred million dollars to us.
Speaker 6: This and that goes back to desperation and the poverty
Speaker 6: situation and how poverty drives a lot of this, and
Speaker 6: these victims being so desperate and so they get caught
Speaker 6: up and selling their organs.
Speaker 5: And that's why Cairo, Egypt.
Speaker 6: Egypt is an organ happened carbs and capital of the world,
Speaker 6: and it happens so much because so many people kind
Speaker 6: of consolidate there to move into other parts of the world,
Speaker 6: and they end up getting trapped and they end up
Speaker 6: getting desperate and finding.
Speaker 7: They end up bringing up for organs.
Speaker 6: These particular the ring that was busted and the way
Speaker 6: it was busted was in an Indian was this woman
Speaker 6: who was in this low cast system. She received an
Speaker 6: email from this particular website saying, Hey, are you looking
Speaker 6: for a job. And again, the perspectives are so different
Speaker 6: because when somebody in a low cast system gets an
Speaker 6: email for a job, whether even if it's just a
Speaker 6: cleaning job that can change everything.
Speaker 2: Right, right, change the world.
Speaker 5: And so she.
Speaker 6: Got this email and she's like, oh my god, yes,
Speaker 6: but she had to move up to.
Speaker 5: I believe it was New Deli.
Speaker 6: I could be wrong, but you have to move up
Speaker 6: to a different part of like a city, part of
Speaker 6: Indian And so she gets there and there's an apartment
Speaker 6: waiting for her and the liaison, the guy who was
Speaker 6: the who's actually trafficker. She said, all right, you're going
Speaker 6: to start work tomorrow, but before you start working, I
Speaker 6: need you to go a physical. So she doesn't know
Speaker 6: any better. She's happy to have her job. She goes
Speaker 6: to get her physical into the room, the door closes
Speaker 6: on the other end of the rooms. The doctor and
Speaker 6: the nurse kept. What saved her life was her attentiveness
Speaker 6: because she heard the nurse say to the doctor before
Speaker 6: he was getting ready to come in, this is the
Speaker 6: one that's giving the storings.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, And.
Speaker 6: She jumped up, got dressed, and she booked out of it,
Speaker 6: alerted the police.
Speaker 5: And that's what essentially exposes.
Speaker 3: Or in Bugustin ry wow, and saved her life and.
Speaker 7: Saved her life.
Speaker 2: So this particular case irma Martinez. She was I believe
Speaker 2: nineteen years old at the time in the Philippines and
Speaker 2: she was brought over to America with a wealthy you know,
Speaker 2: Filipino family that came to America and essentially Irma was
Speaker 2: there living made for nineteen years. But really she was
Speaker 2: enslaved for nineteen years, basically, and you know, she'd send money,
Speaker 2: she'd get gas lit. You know, she wasn't even allowed
Speaker 2: to leave the home or say things right, And she
Speaker 2: did survive, she did get out. And I'm of course
Speaker 2: jumping a bunch of you know, a bunch of the details,
Speaker 2: but it was because one of the sons, his girlfriend
Speaker 2: who would become his wife. They weren't married very long.
Speaker 2: But she saw something, Sherry, Yeah, Sherry, and she's like,
Speaker 2: this doesn't feel right.
Speaker 3: That is the bulk of the story is this one
Speaker 3: person saw that this was something was wrong here, and
Speaker 3: she did something. She said something, you know, she she
Speaker 3: spoke up, you know, and I and I think that's
Speaker 3: what we all have to do, you know, And when
Speaker 3: we think about the bigger picture, he said.
Speaker 5: Something that I don't want to lose. I'll lose it.
Speaker 5: We can all make a difference in this fight. Yes.
Speaker 6: And you know, I get people that reach out to
Speaker 6: you all the time and they say, I want to
Speaker 6: go on issues and kill these guys, do this.
Speaker 5: And do that.
Speaker 2: That's not what it's about.
Speaker 6: No, that's you know, it's it's so many roles that
Speaker 6: can be played, and that that's not that's not the role.
Speaker 6: And you know the fact that the girlfriend saw something,
Speaker 6: recognize the signs and send symptoms of the traffic victim
Speaker 6: that saved Herma's life.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, that was That was why I.
Speaker 6: Made the film, because I wanted people to you know,
Speaker 6: see the film, see that this stuff goes on, or
Speaker 6: like you share m a story, yes, and then from
Speaker 6: there begin to do something. And doing something can be
Speaker 6: as simple as like, Okay, I'm going to listen to
Speaker 6: this podcast, or I'm going to find podcasts on human trafficking,
Speaker 6: or I'm going to dive deeper into Erma's story to
Speaker 6: learn more about Erma's story and find out what happened,
Speaker 6: or this is a big one, I'm going to find
Speaker 6: a reputable, reputable human trafficking website, go to their website
Speaker 6: and take their classes on how to recognize the signs
Speaker 6: and symptoms with a traffic victim.
Speaker 5: Because there are signs being controlled.
Speaker 6: The sense that somebody is being controlled, marks on a
Speaker 6: person's body, with somebody is when you see them. And
Speaker 6: even the kids at school and they're sheepish, always quiet.
Speaker 6: They don't feel like they can speak because they feel
Speaker 6: like they need permission to speak. I mean, and that
Speaker 6: just doesn't just go for kids, that goes for men,
Speaker 6: that goes on that note, I'll share a story. A
Speaker 6: woman of Delta Airlines, right, she went on the website
Speaker 6: one day and she studied the signs of a traffic victim,
Speaker 6: and she saw this kid on a plane and every
Speaker 6: time she walked by she saw this kid was like whiet.
Speaker 6: This kid was kind of looking around, nervoush The kid
Speaker 6: was a very very sheepish. The kid wouldn't speak. Even
Speaker 6: when she came and said would you like peanuts?
Speaker 8: The kid looked at at the dad and the dad
Speaker 8: said either yes or no, and then the kids said.
Speaker 5: Yes now, which is normal. She trusted her guts, she
Speaker 5: trusted her training, called ahead. When a flight landed, I
Speaker 5: guess the police were at the UH at THEE at
Speaker 5: the play and.
Speaker 6: Come to find out that child had been abducted and
Speaker 6: was being traffied, so you know, going back to earn
Speaker 6: a story. You know, we can all make a difference.
Speaker 6: We could all make a difference in this fighting by
Speaker 6: just studying, looking, researching here and more, attending classes with
Speaker 6: short classes, and we can all realize what it is.
Speaker 6: And most of the time it's not as applicator asks exactly.
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: It's because of the Sharrys of the world, right, It's
Speaker 2: because of the people who see something and say something.
Speaker 2: Of what you're doing, Remy, like you said, like everything
Speaker 2: you've been through has led you to this moment. There
Speaker 2: is a reason you're a storyteller. There's a reason that
Speaker 2: you're in front of the camera and behind it. It's
Speaker 2: because you're here to make a difference. And each one
Speaker 2: of us can do something.
Speaker 3: And Remy your book the title Transformed, I mean, that
Speaker 3: is what it's all about, right, Like how you continue
Speaker 3: on your journey. Things happen to all of us, but
Speaker 3: it's how we move forward and move onward, you know,
Speaker 3: as always on facing evil, we always like to end
Speaker 3: with a lightness, you know, like how do you through
Speaker 3: all the trials and tribulations you know that you've been
Speaker 3: through in your life. How did you get to the
Speaker 3: light or how do you did you stay in the
Speaker 3: light or how did you find the light?
Speaker 5: Well, my mom, I mean that's the top of mind answer.
Speaker 3: Same with us, ma'am, Yes, same with us.
Speaker 6: She always reminded me when I was selling drugs and
Speaker 6: doing all the crazy stuff that I did in the Bronx.
Speaker 5: You know, my mom would always.
Speaker 6: Remind me of my name. And I brought that up earlier,
Speaker 6: and she would always say, Rendy, that's.
Speaker 7: Not you, like like you're.
Speaker 5: Acting like someone you're not. This is who you are,
Speaker 5: this is who your father was.
Speaker 6: And she would always beat into us this importance of hey,
Speaker 6: you're excellent and needed to walk that out. And so,
Speaker 6: you know, I had a spirit. I had a constant
Speaker 6: example of what.
Speaker 5: It meant to persevere.
Speaker 6: You know my mom, you know, she worked multiple jobs
Speaker 6: to provide for us. They were times where she didn't
Speaker 6: have enough food to be herself.
Speaker 5: She had just enough food to be my brother.
Speaker 6: And I, you know, I watched my mom just never quit, ever,
Speaker 6: ever quit. As a matter of fact, I'll share the
Speaker 6: story that Dan shared the book. After my dad died,
Speaker 6: my mom had she had still has a cousin who
Speaker 6: a wealthy, very wealthy lawyer, and my dad called him
Speaker 6: up because she had no money left when she came
Speaker 6: to she had no money left after she buried my dad,
Speaker 6: and she called up her cousin and said, hey, can
Speaker 6: you just loan me some money.
Speaker 5: Like just until I can beat myself on because I
Speaker 5: don't have a nipple to my name. He said, all right,
Speaker 5: let me call you right back.
Speaker 6: Five minutes later, his wife called my mom and she
Speaker 6: said to my mom, how did you call up my husband?
Speaker 6: And asked her for Monday? Who do you think? Who
Speaker 6: do you think you are? Don't you ever do this again?
Speaker 6: And hung up the phone with my mom. My mom
Speaker 6: just want her husband. And then now she went to
Speaker 6: her family member, her cousin who she grew up, who
Speaker 6: my grandfather helped raise because.
Speaker 5: His dad was abusive, and he says no to her.
Speaker 2: She could have quitted right then, yep.
Speaker 5: And somehow she just put one in front of the other.
Speaker 6: So for me, when it's like, hey, you know we're
Speaker 6: want to be an eavy sit I'm going to be
Speaker 6: a freaking navy ship.
Speaker 5: That was hell, you know I want to I want
Speaker 5: to be a filmmaker.
Speaker 6: Freaking get out the seal teams or thirty forty now
Speaker 6: or thirty five or six, whatever it was.
Speaker 5: And I want to thrive and be a filmmaker and
Speaker 5: start from the bottom.
Speaker 6: Everybody in Hollywood telling me, no, Hey, I'm going to
Speaker 6: freaking work for the little walk.
Speaker 3: It's going to happen, Yes it is, Yes, right. This
Speaker 3: has been an incredible, incredible interview with you. We are
Speaker 3: just so humbled that you took time out of your
Speaker 3: busy schedule to speak with us.
Speaker 7: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Remy A delek Mahalo Nuiloa. Thank you so much for
Speaker 2: joining my beautiful sister and I on facing evil, but
Speaker 2: more importantly for sharing your story and helping us tell
Speaker 2: Irma's story and teaching us that everyone has unlimited potential.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, thank you. Thank you so much for having me there.
Speaker 6: Thank you somewhere for having Lassia. I greatly greatly.
Speaker 5: Appreciate you both.
Speaker 2: Today's message of hope and healing goes out to the
Speaker 2: helpers out there, like Shery Bhutang, who initially reported that
Speaker 2: Irma was a human trafficking victim. Cherry spoke up for
Speaker 2: Irma and fought for her to be rescued after years
Speaker 2: of enslavement.
Speaker 3: Yes, so if you see something, say something, you can
Speaker 3: call the National Human Trafficking Hotline twenty four hours a day,
Speaker 3: seven days a week at eight eight eight three seven
Speaker 3: three seven eight eight eight. You can also text the
Speaker 3: word help to two three three seven three three. Cherry
Speaker 3: Beutong saw the signs and said something and gave Irma
Speaker 3: her freedom back.
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you, Sherry. Our emua goes out to you
Speaker 2: and to Irma Martinez. You are both shining examples of
Speaker 2: perseverance and hope. Onward and upward.
Speaker 4: Emua e moua.
Speaker 2: Well, that's our show for today. We'd love to hear
Speaker 2: what you thought about today's discussion and if there's a
Speaker 2: case you'd like for us to.
Speaker 3: Cover, find us on social media or email us at
Speaker 3: facingevilpod at Tenderfoot dot tv.
Speaker 2: And one small request if you haven't already, please find
Speaker 2: us on iTunes and give us a good rating and
Speaker 2: a good review. If you like what we do, your
Speaker 2: support is always cherished.
Speaker 4: Until next time. Aloha.
Speaker 1: Facing Evil is a production of I Heart Radio and
Speaker 1: Tenderfoot TV. The show is hosted by Russia Peccuerero, in
Speaker 1: Avet Gentile, Matt Frederick and Alex Williams our executive producers
Speaker 1: on behalf of iHeartRadio, with producers Trevor Young and Jesse Funk,
Speaker 1: Donald albright In Payne Lindsay our executive producers on behalf
Speaker 1: of Tenderfoot TV, alongside producer Tracy Kaplan. Our researcher is
Speaker 1: Carolyn Talmadge. Original music by Makeup and Vanity Set. Find
Speaker 1: us on social media or email us at Facing Evil
Speaker 1: pod at tenderfoot dot tv. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio
Speaker 1: or Tenderfoot TV, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or
Speaker 1: wherever you listen to your favorite shows