1 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: You're listening to Facing Evil, a production of iHeartRadio and 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: Tenderfoot TV. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: are solely those of the individuals participating in the show 4 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: and do not represent those of iHeartRadio or Tenderfoot TV. 5 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: This podcast contains subject matter which may not be suitable 6 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: for everyone. Listener discretion is advised. 7 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 2: Hello, everyone, welcome back to Facing Evil. I'm Rasha Peccuerero 8 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 2: and a big welcome back to my beautiful sister. 9 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 3: Yes Spongourno. Everyone, I am Eve Gentile and as Rasha said, 10 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 3: I am back from Italia, which was amazing, but I'm 11 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 3: also equally excited to be back in the studio with 12 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 3: my A team. And I'm especially excited because we have 13 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 3: a guest in the house today that I am really 14 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 3: looking forward to speaking with. 15 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 2: Yes, I'm looking forward to that as well. But we 16 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 2: are going to be looking at the story of Irma Martinez. 17 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 2: Irma was a Filipino living made for a wealthy family 18 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 2: here in the US, but sadly it became much more 19 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 2: than that. The family exploited her labor and trapped her 20 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:22,559 Speaker 2: there for years, and this eventually became a disturbing case 21 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 2: of modern day slavery. 22 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 3: That's right, Russia. It's terrible, but it points to a 23 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 3: bigger issue of human trafficking in this country, especially for 24 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 3: force slabor. And with us here to talk about that 25 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 3: today will be Remy Adelaike g. Remy is a former 26 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 3: Navy seal who is now a filmmaker and he recently 27 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 3: made a short film about human trafficking. I am so 28 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 3: looking forward to this discussion today with Remy. 29 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: I am as well. Remy is incredible. But first our 30 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 2: producer Trevor is going to walk us through today's case. 31 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: Irma Martinez is a Filipino woman who was coerced into 32 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: indentured servitude for a wealthy Wisconsin family for nineteen years. 33 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: The case was a shocking example of modern day human 34 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: and labor trafficking. In nineteen eighty five, at the age 35 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: of nineteen, Irma was approached by a woman named Elnorra 36 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: kayleem Limb. She offered Irma a job as a housekeeper 37 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: at the kalem lim household in America. Elnorra and her 38 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:32,239 Speaker 1: husband Jefferson, were busy doctors and had three children. Irma 39 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: was promised job stability and a steady income that she 40 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: could send back to her family in the Philippines. She 41 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: agreed to work for an initial five years. The family 42 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: flew with her to America under the guise that she 43 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: was one of their patients. She arrived in the United 44 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: States on a tourist visa. The kalam Limbs reportedly knew 45 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: how to bring a foreign citizen into the US to 46 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 1: work legally, but they chose not to. Had they done that, 47 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: they would have needed to sign an employer contract, pay 48 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: her fair wages, and limit her duties to those appropriate 49 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: for her job classification. But when she arrived, the family 50 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: took her passport and told her she owed them for 51 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: travel expenses. She worked seven days a week for sixteen 52 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: hours a day, cleaning the home and caring for the children. 53 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: If she slept past six am, Elinor and Jefferson would 54 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: scold her and tell her that she should be concerned 55 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: next time it happened. They led her to believe she 56 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: was in the country illegally, so therefore she could not 57 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: open a bank account and they could not pay her. 58 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: They also told her that if anyone found her, she 59 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: would be jailed and deported. Because of this, they told 60 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: her she couldn't walk around the neighborhood. She was never 61 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: even allowed to open the front door. When the children 62 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: came home from school, she would open the garage door 63 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: from the inside so no one would see her. Despite 64 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: both the Kayalam Limbs being doctors, they repeatedly denied Irma 65 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: medical treatment. When Irma had a broken tooth, they refused 66 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: to take her to a dentist, and when she was 67 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: doubled over from menstrual cramps, Elinor ridiculed her and told 68 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: her she would never have children. Jefferson would often get 69 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: angry after drinking alcohol, and on one occasion threw a 70 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: shoe at Irma. In the late nineties, one of the sons, Jack, 71 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 1: brought home a girlfriend named Sherry. Sherry noticed Irma and 72 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: became suspicious. After probing the family further, she eventually tipped 73 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 1: off the US Department of Immigration and Naturalization Services. She 74 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: broke down in tears during the call and stated that quote, 75 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: no one should live under those conditions. That is just 76 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: not humane. On September twenty ninth, two thousand and four, 77 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: FBI and Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents raided the home 78 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 1: with the surge warrant. The agents went into the basement 79 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 1: and found a secret room they opened it and found 80 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: Irma shaking in fear. She was thirty eight years old. 81 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 1: After her rescue, Irma was granted a tea visa for 82 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: trafficking victims. As it turns out, in nineteen years, Irma's 83 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: family received only nineteen thousand dollars from the Kalem Limbs. 84 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: The Kalem Limbs were ordered to pay back over nine 85 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars in back wages and were sentenced to 86 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: four years in prison each. About the case, acting US 87 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: Attorney Michelle Jacobs said, quote, human trafficking is a form 88 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: of modern day slavery and is simply not acceptable. No 89 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: person should ever be forced to live in fear, virtual isolation, 90 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: and servitude. And so what happened to Irma Martinez and 91 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: how does her story reflect a troubling practice of human 92 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: trafficking in the US and across the world. 93 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 3: Without further ado, we are so incredibly blessed to have 94 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 3: the one, the only, Remy Adeleik on the show today 95 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 3: and he's going to be discussing with us the broader 96 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 3: issue of human trafficking. 97 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, Remy, you were a. 98 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 3: Navy seal for thirteen years, which is unbelievable and amazing, 99 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 3: and then you went on to go into acting directing. 100 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 3: You just did a film called The Unexpected, which I 101 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 3: just have to tell you I watched last night and 102 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 3: it's so mind blowing, it's so educating, and it's so 103 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 3: deeply saddening. Kudos to that. It's a brilliant well directed 104 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 3: You wrote it and directed as well. 105 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,239 Speaker 5: As You have a. 106 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 3: Memoir book called Transformed, which I have to tell you 107 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 3: on the plane from Rome to San Francisco I read 108 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 3: and I was just literally blown away by your story. 109 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 3: I mean one of my very first movies growing up 110 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 3: as a child was Coming to America and to read 111 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 3: your book and know your history and to know that 112 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 3: you came and you come from royalty, it's such an 113 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 3: incredible story. So if you could just share with our 114 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 3: listeners how this came about, where you came from, I mean, 115 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 3: how you grew up, all the things, all the things 116 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 3: remy Yeah, I'll. 117 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 5: Just feel free to stop me if I'm going to lawn. 118 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 5: Never never feel free. 119 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 6: To interject, because you know, there's so much of my 120 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 6: story that I skip stuff. 121 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 5: So if there's. 122 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 6: Anything you remember from the book or you will be 123 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 6: to share, just Hey, what about that alcohol? 124 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 2: I will, I will, But I. 125 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 6: Tell people all the time that you know, my story 126 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 6: actually really starts with my dad's story. Yes, because as 127 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 6: you mentioned, my grandfather was a chief in the euro 128 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 6: of a tribe. 129 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 5: And our last name at Day lake Game. 130 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 6: At Day means crown and lake a means is supreme 131 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 6: in euro love. And my first name is actually at 132 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 6: Day Remy. A lot of people don't know that. You 133 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 6: think it's Remy, and it's actually at Day Roman, which 134 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 6: means the crown has appeased me. 135 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 5: So my father was born as he was a firstborn 136 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 5: son to. 137 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 6: My grandfather who had like nine wives and he kept 138 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 6: on having daughters. And the tradition at the time in 139 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 6: Nigeria and you're of a still to this day, is 140 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 6: you know, the firstborn son becomes the chief and is 141 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 6: the leader. 142 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 5: Of the tribe and the family, whatever the case may be. 143 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 6: And so my grandfather died when my when my father 144 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 6: was about eight years old. So my grandfather died when 145 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 6: my dad was young as well, and all the wives dispersed, 146 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 6: They were all given stipends, and you know, they all 147 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 6: pretty much dispersed to different places. And my grandmother wrote 148 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 6: my father down to the south of Nigeria and Lagos 149 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 6: and at the time they were missionaries there and they 150 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 6: were teaching science and math and a bunch of different things. 151 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 5: And my dad was very intelligent. 152 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 6: As a matter of fact, before he was six or 153 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 6: seven years old, he had memorized the Krome, so he 154 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 6: was he just had this very intellectual you know, he 155 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 6: picked up things fast. He had a very diverse, wow, 156 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 6: supernatural brain. 157 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 5: Like that. My father actually has more. He's a really 158 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 5: really smart guy. 159 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 3: He's a he's an engineer, right, yeah. 160 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, he just moved back from Saudi Arabia. He was 161 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 6: out there for eight years working at Saudi Ramco, helping 162 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 6: them find oil and electure. You know, I'm not smart 163 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 6: on all of this, so lot of contests, please forgive me, 164 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 6: but you know, working on the system to help fine 165 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 6: oil and now he works with Doe. 166 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 5: So back to my dad. So so my dad, you know, 167 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 5: he got it. 168 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,719 Speaker 6: He ended up getting pull Right scholarship to study engineering 169 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 6: and architecture in London, and he went to London and 170 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 6: you know, he excelled after he graduated, got his bachelors 171 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 6: and at his master's and then he just started working 172 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 6: and Ronnie he was the first black man on the 173 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 6: board of the British Financial. 174 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 7: Planning Council in the UK. 175 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 5: Beautiful, and he. 176 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:55,599 Speaker 6: Came to the States and he started traveling back and 177 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 6: forth from the States because one of his good friends 178 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 6: was the architect of the World Trade Center a Japan. 179 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 6: I'm always pronounced his name wrong. It's fresh in my 180 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 6: mind because my scory got picked up to be a 181 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 6: movie with a major studio. I can't mention it yet. 182 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 2: Congratula. 183 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 3: I have to interject here because as I was reading 184 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 3: the book, you know, because we read it when we 185 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 3: were driving through Italy. I read it when we were 186 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 3: flying on the plane, and when we were driving, I 187 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 3: was reading it out loud to my husband and like 188 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 3: he was so engrossed. We were both so engrossed, and 189 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 3: I could see it visually, I could see it. So congratulations, 190 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 3: well deserved. 191 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, but a lot of this is fresh in my 192 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 6: mind because I just finished writing the film, you know, 193 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 6: after the writer's strike, because this is a big, big 194 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 6: writers strike, we could start. 195 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 5: Moving forward on other things. 196 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 6: But you know, my dad's again, my dad's a good 197 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 6: friend with Manori and he's with architect or World Trade Center. 198 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 5: So my dad ended up being one of the first 199 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 5: black men on the border. 200 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 6: The World Trade Center in the United States, New York 201 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 6: and so and that was kind of how he met 202 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 6: my mom. As you mentioned coming to America, my mom 203 00:10:58,320 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 6: Dad's story. 204 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 5: Is to Americas, you know, and what you know, they 205 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 5: fell in love and my. 206 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 6: Mom moved to Nigeria and my dad ended up going 207 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 6: back to Nigeria a little bit before he met my mom. 208 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 6: But you know, I'll just jump to that part of 209 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 6: the story because he wanted he felt like Nigeria can 210 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 6: be like the West. 211 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 5: A lot of people realize that. 212 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 6: Africa in general is so so rich in resources, and 213 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 6: Nigeria in particulars rich and. 214 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 5: Oil, very very rich in oil, rich and natural gas, 215 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 5: coco gold. I mean, I was in Nigeria a couple 216 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 5: of years ago actually, when I. 217 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 6: When I was writing a book, I went to finish 218 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 6: writing the book in Nigeria and I. 219 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 7: Went there to just get the. 220 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 5: Deal of the land. 221 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 6: And I interviewed one of my dad's mentees and he 222 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 6: said that, you know, so many Nigerians and Africans believe 223 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 6: that Nigeria is the cradle of civilization. Wow, because of 224 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 6: how many resources come out of Nigeria, but also how 225 00:11:53,840 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 6: intelligent Nigerian people are, like just like just brilliant minds. Yeah, 226 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 6: and so because of all the resources, my dad was like, 227 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 6: Nigeria needs to be like the US. And so he 228 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 6: went back to Nigeria and went well, my mom was 229 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 6: with him at this point, and he started businesses and 230 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 6: he had started an architecture firm and engineering firm. 231 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 5: He's had car dealerships and he had all. 232 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 6: Of these different businesses and his goal was to create 233 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 6: like a Wall Street. So buy a plot of land 234 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 6: and create like this massive wall street in Nigeria with 235 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 6: people from all around the world can come and do 236 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 6: business and trade and look at Nigeria, look at Africa 237 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 6: in a different way. 238 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 5: He was very passionate about his people. 239 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 8: So he bought this massive plot of land almost the 240 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 8: size of a small city called Amerco, and he was 241 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 8: going to use that land to develop his African Wall Street. 242 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 5: And it was a military coup in the seventies. 243 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 6: And when a military coup happened, the land got taken 244 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 6: by the new military regime and everything was just thrown. 245 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 5: The politicians were executed. I mean, it was just it 246 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 5: was just crazy, how heartbreaking. 247 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 6: He waited for the Nigerian government to get reinstalled and 248 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 6: eventually didn't want to say, Like it was the late 249 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 6: seventies in the early eighties and democracy was re established 250 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 6: and he started going to court and started fighting the 251 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 6: Nigerian government. And that's kind of around the time I 252 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 6: was born. Like around that time, the Nigerians federal government. 253 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 6: I said to my dad, Okay, what do you want. 254 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 6: We have we proved that this land was yours. I 255 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 6: can't give you this land back, you know, but you 256 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 6: want your money back because he spent eight million pounds 257 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 6: at the time. They offered him the money back and 258 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 6: he said, no, I don't want the money back. I 259 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 6: want another plot of land. And they said, we're not 260 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 6: going to give you another plot of land. He said, okay, 261 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 6: can you give me this swamp like it was a 262 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 6: lagoon but. 263 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 5: It was literally a swamp. 264 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 6: And everybody laughed at my dad and they were just like, swamp, 265 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 6: what are you going to do with his fun? He said, 266 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 6: don't worry about it, give it to me. Because my 267 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 6: dad was, as I said, he was such a brilliant 268 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 6: man and he was full of thinking and his mindset 269 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 6: was if I can build something where there was never nothing. 270 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 5: Then no one could ever say that was mine, or 271 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 5: he stole it from me, or he did this, and 272 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 5: he did that. 273 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 6: And so he raised a lot more money and invest 274 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 6: a lot more of his money, and they gave him 275 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 6: the swamp. And that's when he hired Dutch engineers and 276 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 6: other engineers from other parts of the world and minority 277 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 6: who designed the World Trade Center, and they started dredging 278 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 6: the foreshore to build an island, to make a man 279 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 6: made island. And so again I was born at this time. 280 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 6: So when I was born, I was going into the wealth. 281 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 6: I was born into, you know, traveling the world. We 282 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 6: had drivers and we had cooks, and we lived on 283 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 6: a company. Didn't live in a house. We lived on 284 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 6: a compound on Victoria Island, which is like the equivalent 285 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 6: of Beverly Hills or Cornado Anthons. We lived a life 286 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 6: love Me and my brother. We went to a very 287 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 6: prestigious private school. And I remember when my dad would. 288 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 5: Come pick us up and walk the halls or people. 289 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 6: Would like like literally bow to him like cheap hatty 290 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 6: Lake and you're excellent, and call him all with these 291 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 6: cool names. I'm just this little kid. And so that 292 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 6: was the life that I was essentially going into. We 293 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 6: didn't work for anything, Remy. 294 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 2: I really want to know more about your time in 295 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 2: the Navy Seals. And I have to tell our listeners. 296 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 2: And I know you already know this because we've talked 297 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 2: about this my wife and daughter and I fell madly 298 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 2: in love with you watching Special Forces World's Toughest Tests 299 00:15:58,440 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 2: on Fox. 300 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: But please, please, please. 301 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 2: Please, Remmy, can you tell us a little bit more 302 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 2: about you know, your time in the Navy Seals and like, 303 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 2: is that where you saw human trafficking becoming an issue? 304 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 3: Did you see? 305 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 5: I mean I was, and I wasn't. 306 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 6: So I was in a sense that when I was 307 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 6: overseas doing missions, we would hit houses if we would 308 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 6: go out the targets, big, big time guys. And they 309 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 6: had wives who were twelve He's a thirty forty year 310 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 6: old man. They had multiple wives who are twelve, thirteen, 311 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 6: you know, pregnant, you know, and fourteen fifteen, And so 312 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 6: you know, it's. 313 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 5: Hard for me to say that's human trafficking. 314 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 6: But at the same time, I want to be careful 315 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 6: about you know, I don't want to offend, but you know, 316 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 6: certain cultures, you know, it's it's acceptable and certain cultures, 317 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 6: girls and women aren't property. 318 00:16:58,640 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 5: It's a second class set. 319 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 6: And so you know, so for me as an as 320 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 6: an American, you know that to me is a form 321 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 6: of trafficking. And you know what, and we'll get down 322 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 6: into it later, but that happens here in the States, yes, you. 323 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 5: Know, and on a big world. 324 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 6: As a matter of fact, you know, the United States 325 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 6: drives the demand for sex trafficking. We are the biggest, 326 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 6: you know, culprit as it relates to utilizing materials and 327 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 6: victims of sex traffic, materials that are that are used, 328 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 6: that are created with sex traffic victims, underage kids. So 329 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 6: America drives the demand. A lot of people don't realize that, 330 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 6: but we do. And so it happens either. But it 331 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 6: happened there, but in a different way. I didn't have 332 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 6: the when I was overseas. I didn't get the opportunity 333 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 6: to serve, serve in northern Iraq where the guysds you know, 334 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 6: were But I mean, you know the story from our 335 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 6: shortcom that's that's a true event, you know that I 336 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 6: believe it was. Toowenty fourteen was the last genocide that 337 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 6: was documented. Body willin considered a genocide Bobby Willing and 338 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 6: Gazes people. 339 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 5: The men were murdered, the old women were murdered. 340 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 6: And the young girls were taken and used as sex 341 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 6: slaves and traffic for organ harvesting, and we used the 342 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 6: labor right. 343 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 5: And so I didn't get a chance to serve. 344 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 6: In that area, but I do have a really really 345 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 6: good friend of mine who did. 346 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 5: He served with some Gazes people. 347 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 6: He ended up up unfortunately, he ended up killed on 348 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 6: Operation Charlie Kete. 349 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 5: But you know, so I'm sure he was exposed to 350 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 5: on that level. 351 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 6: But again going back to my original answer, yes, I 352 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 6: would say from through the lens of the westerner an American, 353 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 6: but through the lens of somebody in the particular cultures 354 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 6: where operated. 355 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 5: And that's not being trafficking to them, but to me 356 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 5: it is explainkery right, R. 357 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 6: Take somebody against their will and forced them to even 358 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 6: to whether it's marry you. 359 00:18:58,880 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 5: For some. 360 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 6: It's slavery. You know, there are times when I even 361 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 6: the term human trafficking because I feel like it borders 362 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 6: down what it really is. 363 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:12,719 Speaker 5: It's slavery. 364 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 3: Slavery, Yeah, it's slavery exactly. That's what I was going 365 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 3: to say, because you know your movie, you know, Unexpected, 366 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 3: the short film that you were just talking about. That 367 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 3: movie is all about Oregon harvesting, which was I mean 368 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 3: completely mind blowing to me. And how it starts one 369 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 3: place and then it takes you back, you know, within 370 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 3: hours of how everything transpires, and it's all across the 371 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 3: world that this is taking place, you know, where someone 372 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 3: is supposedly gaining something but someone else is losing a 373 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 3: life because of it. Can you talk to us a 374 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 3: little bit about that? 375 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's one that I would say, I gravit 376 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:02,959 Speaker 6: sate dude. I'll back up and kind of say how 377 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 6: I kind of got into it. So after I got 378 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 6: out of the seal teams in twenty sixteen, I was, 379 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 6: you know, volunteering with a lot of different nonprofits, you know. 380 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 5: The type of nonprofit that kept on. 381 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 6: I kept on getting reached out to by contacted buying 382 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 6: these a different nonprofit, different or human trafficking nonprofits. You know. 383 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 6: One year, Slave to Nothing reached out to me and said, hey, 384 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 6: we're we're doing a fundraiser for your human traf and 385 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 6: I never heard of, I never heard of from the traffic. 386 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 6: I was like, you know what, but I was like, yeah, whatever, 387 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 6: I'll go help out with that. Then there was another 388 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 6: human trafficking nonprofit out and Sacramento. I can't recall the 389 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 6: name them of it, but they reached out to me 390 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 6: and it were just like, hey, can you come up 391 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 6: and help us out and partner or partner with us 392 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 6: or human drafting see you hear your Navy seal and 393 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 6: you got this background and come help out. And I 394 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 6: was like sure, like I'll go. And it just kept 395 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 6: on happening and happening, and then finally, I want to 396 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 6: say it, around two thousand and seventeen, I got contacted 397 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 6: by specific human trafficking. 398 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 5: Nonprofit that partners with former. 399 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 6: Special Operations guys and former agency guys and women and 400 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 6: former analysts a. 401 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 5: CIA, d I and all these you know. 402 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 6: Say people, and they go into other countries and here 403 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 6: in the US. So they operate both in the US 404 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 6: but also in other countries to help rescue children drafting 405 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 6: sex trafficking. Now, because of international laws, of course, they 406 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 6: can't just operate you know autonomy, right, and so you know, 407 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 6: the targets that they go after are targets We're Americans. 408 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 6: So they target broccos where Americans travel to. 409 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 5: To have sex with underage girls. 410 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 6: So that's kind of how they're able to essentially carry 411 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 6: out these raids. 412 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 5: And so they sent me a video, one of the 413 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 5: one of the contacts. 414 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 6: They sent me a video like it was actual, like 415 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 6: a documentary and actual footage. 416 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 5: And I saw it and I showed it to my wife. 417 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 6: And my wife so I was a doctor and our right, 418 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 6: you know, because she hears it's these crazy stuff. She 419 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 6: used to work in community and medicine and now she 420 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 6: works with Charlotte, and she said, I don't care, really, 421 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 6: whatever you gotta do, whenever you get wherever you gotta go, 422 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 6: and whatever you gotta do, you do something. You put 423 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 6: your skill set to use and you go get these savages. 424 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 6: And so like Roger that, and so I signed up 425 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 6: and I started working with this particularly human trafficking nonprofit. 426 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 6: And you know, our job was to go into these 427 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 6: places and my job in the seal teams, I was 428 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 6: a humid guy. I was a medic but I was 429 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 6: also a human guy, which stands in human intelligence. So 430 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 6: I kind of led the best of both worlds. Like 431 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 6: I took work on like the agency side of things 432 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 6: and running sources and building intelligent packages and Espona and 433 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 6: tradecraft and all the other stuff and using that to 434 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 6: essentially build mission packages to go after bad guys. But 435 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 6: then I also got to go in the missions and 436 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 6: kick down doors, so I was able to kind of 437 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 6: utilize that skill set in the human trafficking side of things. 438 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 6: And and I just remember, you know, going down at 439 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 6: dr and just sing and saying I was we were 440 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 6: in this particular slum where the parents sell their daughters 441 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 6: to traffickers, right, and I. 442 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 5: Remember walking through this particular slum. I was just like 443 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 5: a shock. I was just ack. 444 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 6: And our job at this particular, this particular job, and 445 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 6: I'll say that at. 446 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 5: The airports was not more. 447 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 6: That was not much of kicking down doors and getting 448 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 6: traffickers arresting kids. Our job was essentially talked to the 449 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 6: parents and just say, hey, listen, this is what's happening 450 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,439 Speaker 6: to your daughters, like you need to stop doing that, 451 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 6: and to also give give the family's resources so that 452 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 6: they wanted to sell their daughters and they knew what 453 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 6: was happening, but we had to really like, hey, these 454 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 6: are your daughters. 455 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:46,199 Speaker 5: Like he. 456 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 6: And I remember this one guy who was a liaison. 457 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 6: Of course, he lived in dr. 458 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 5: And he saw a frustrated. 459 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 8: And he pulled me as oude and he's like, because 460 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 8: I couldn't understand. 461 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 6: It, and he pulled me aside, and he pulled me 462 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 6: into this chapel. And in this chapel at the end 463 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 6: of the chapel, the chapel was no bigger than the 464 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 6: size of two like handicapped toilet stalls like that was 465 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 6: like the chapel wasn't big at all. 466 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 5: At the other end of the chapel was his dead 467 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 5: baby basket that had just died. A baby. It was 468 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 5: probably about six months old. 469 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,919 Speaker 6: And he explained to me that the reason why the 470 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 6: baby died was because the mother, you know, she wasn't 471 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 6: getting enough getting enough food assessments to have milk dried up, 472 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 6: and so she was getting flowing and mixing in the flooring. 473 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 5: With the local water. 474 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, order it and it's slum. It's not consumable, 475 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 6: and that's ultimately what killed the baby. But he was saying, reymer, 476 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 6: this is their plight. Either they sell their one daughter 477 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 6: and get money on a consistent basis from what their 478 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 6: daughter's doing, or all their children died. Wow, And that 479 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 6: really put things into perspective to me, and when I 480 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 6: came to realize that that moment was whether on the 481 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 6: trafficking side of things or whether the victim. It all 482 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 6: comes back to desperation, like the parents are desperate for 483 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 6: resources and the traffickers, which it's still evils. 484 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 5: It doesn't justify it. They're desperate for money. There's so 485 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 5: many people that are not even aware of it. You know. 486 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 6: Human trafficking alone is a multi billion dollar industries. Is 487 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 6: estimated to be one hundred and fifty billion dollar industry internationally, 488 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 6: thirty five plus billion our industry in America. Okay, organ harvesting, 489 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 6: it's really really hard to predict how much, but we 490 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 6: know that it's definitely a multi billion dollar industry. 491 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 5: But it's just it flies. 492 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 6: It's hard to predict because victims often die, you know. 493 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 6: And these traffickers are so sophisticated. These organ harvesting rings 494 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 6: are very, very very sophisticated. 495 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 5: These they have endless resources and money weren't into this, 496 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 5: into this, and it's just it's things. People are so intelligent. 497 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 6: The majority of people who are part of these organ 498 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 6: harvesting rings, what are they? 499 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 5: The doctors, Wow. 500 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 6: The nurses, they have to be As a matter of fact, 501 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 6: there was an organ harvesting ring that was busted in 502 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 6: Cairo in twenty sixteen. A lot of people don't know this, 503 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 6: but Cairo, Egypt is the organ harvesting capital of the world, which. 504 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 5: A lot of people don't know. 505 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 2: No, I didn't know that. 506 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 3: Do we know why Cairo. 507 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 6: Is because of the migrant situation? The migrant situation, so 508 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 6: you have you have people from different parts of Africa 509 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 6: that are trying to and in the Middle East that 510 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 6: are trying to get to Egypt. 511 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 5: Where are moving up from Africa. 512 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 6: To thea You're kind of similar to how you know 513 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 6: here that we have a lot of people from South America, Which. 514 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 5: That's a whole conversation. 515 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 6: I mean to talk about how the migrant has created 516 00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 6: this massive human trafficking. Just conline were going to border. 517 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 6: It's forrific. But so that's what's happening in ANGP. We're 518 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 6: getting a lot of people that are moving from Africa 519 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,360 Speaker 6: and even different parts of the Middle. 520 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 5: East to try and move in Egypt, to move north 521 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 5: into Europe. 522 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 6: And so these people get trapped there and they get 523 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 6: desperate and they get promised, hey, you know, we'll figure 524 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 6: a way to get you into Italy or get you 525 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 6: into Spain or wherever the kids may be. 526 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 5: But it's going to cost you. It's going to cast 527 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 5: you a thousand dollars. A thousand dollars to them is 528 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 5: like one hundred million dollars to us. 529 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 6: This and that goes back to desperation and the poverty 530 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,479 Speaker 6: situation and how poverty drives a lot of this, and 531 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 6: these victims being so desperate and so they get caught 532 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 6: up and selling their organs. 533 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 5: And that's why Cairo, Egypt. 534 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 6: Egypt is an organ happened carbs and capital of the world, 535 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 6: and it happens so much because so many people kind 536 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 6: of consolidate there to move into other parts of the world, 537 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 6: and they end up getting trapped and they end up 538 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 6: getting desperate and finding. 539 00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 7: They end up bringing up for organs. 540 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 6: These particular the ring that was busted and the way 541 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 6: it was busted was in an Indian was this woman 542 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 6: who was in this low cast system. She received an 543 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 6: email from this particular website saying, Hey, are you looking 544 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 6: for a job. And again, the perspectives are so different 545 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 6: because when somebody in a low cast system gets an 546 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,479 Speaker 6: email for a job, whether even if it's just a 547 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 6: cleaning job that can change everything. 548 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 2: Right, right, change the world. 549 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 5: And so she. 550 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 6: Got this email and she's like, oh my god, yes, 551 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 6: but she had to move up to. 552 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 5: I believe it was New Deli. 553 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 6: I could be wrong, but you have to move up 554 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 6: to a different part of like a city, part of 555 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 6: Indian And so she gets there and there's an apartment 556 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 6: waiting for her and the liaison, the guy who was 557 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 6: the who's actually trafficker. She said, all right, you're going 558 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 6: to start work tomorrow, but before you start working, I 559 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 6: need you to go a physical. So she doesn't know 560 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 6: any better. She's happy to have her job. She goes 561 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 6: to get her physical into the room, the door closes 562 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 6: on the other end of the rooms. The doctor and 563 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 6: the nurse kept. What saved her life was her attentiveness 564 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 6: because she heard the nurse say to the doctor before 565 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 6: he was getting ready to come in, this is the 566 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 6: one that's giving the storings. 567 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, And. 568 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 6: She jumped up, got dressed, and she booked out of it, 569 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 6: alerted the police. 570 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 5: And that's what essentially exposes. 571 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 3: Or in Bugustin ry wow, and saved her life and. 572 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 7: Saved her life. 573 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 2: So this particular case irma Martinez. She was I believe 574 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 2: nineteen years old at the time in the Philippines and 575 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 2: she was brought over to America with a wealthy you know, 576 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 2: Filipino family that came to America and essentially Irma was 577 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 2: there living made for nineteen years. But really she was 578 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 2: enslaved for nineteen years, basically, and you know, she'd send money, 579 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 2: she'd get gas lit. You know, she wasn't even allowed 580 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 2: to leave the home or say things right, And she 581 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 2: did survive, she did get out. And I'm of course 582 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 2: jumping a bunch of you know, a bunch of the details, 583 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 2: but it was because one of the sons, his girlfriend 584 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 2: who would become his wife. They weren't married very long. 585 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 2: But she saw something, Sherry, Yeah, Sherry, and she's like, 586 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 2: this doesn't feel right. 587 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 3: That is the bulk of the story is this one 588 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 3: person saw that this was something was wrong here, and 589 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 3: she did something. She said something, you know, she she 590 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 3: spoke up, you know, and I and I think that's 591 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 3: what we all have to do, you know, And when 592 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 3: we think about the bigger picture, he said. 593 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 5: Something that I don't want to lose. I'll lose it. 594 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 5: We can all make a difference in this fight. Yes. 595 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 6: And you know, I get people that reach out to 596 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 6: you all the time and they say, I want to 597 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 6: go on issues and kill these guys, do this. 598 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 5: And do that. 599 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 2: That's not what it's about. 600 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 6: No, that's you know, it's it's so many roles that 601 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 6: can be played, and that that's not that's not the role. 602 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 6: And you know the fact that the girlfriend saw something, 603 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 6: recognize the signs and send symptoms of the traffic victim 604 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 6: that saved Herma's life. 605 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, that was That was why I. 606 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 6: Made the film, because I wanted people to you know, 607 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 6: see the film, see that this stuff goes on, or 608 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 6: like you share m a story, yes, and then from 609 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 6: there begin to do something. And doing something can be 610 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 6: as simple as like, Okay, I'm going to listen to 611 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 6: this podcast, or I'm going to find podcasts on human trafficking, 612 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 6: or I'm going to dive deeper into Erma's story to 613 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 6: learn more about Erma's story and find out what happened, 614 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 6: or this is a big one, I'm going to find 615 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 6: a reputable, reputable human trafficking website, go to their website 616 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 6: and take their classes on how to recognize the signs 617 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 6: and symptoms with a traffic victim. 618 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 5: Because there are signs being controlled. 619 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 6: The sense that somebody is being controlled, marks on a 620 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 6: person's body, with somebody is when you see them. And 621 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 6: even the kids at school and they're sheepish, always quiet. 622 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 6: They don't feel like they can speak because they feel 623 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 6: like they need permission to speak. I mean, and that 624 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 6: just doesn't just go for kids, that goes for men, 625 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 6: that goes on that note, I'll share a story. A 626 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 6: woman of Delta Airlines, right, she went on the website 627 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 6: one day and she studied the signs of a traffic victim, 628 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 6: and she saw this kid on a plane and every 629 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 6: time she walked by she saw this kid was like whiet. 630 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 6: This kid was kind of looking around, nervoush The kid 631 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 6: was a very very sheepish. The kid wouldn't speak. Even 632 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 6: when she came and said would you like peanuts? 633 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 8: The kid looked at at the dad and the dad 634 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 8: said either yes or no, and then the kids said. 635 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 5: Yes now, which is normal. She trusted her guts, she 636 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 5: trusted her training, called ahead. When a flight landed, I 637 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 5: guess the police were at the UH at THEE at 638 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 5: the play and. 639 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 6: Come to find out that child had been abducted and 640 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 6: was being traffied, so you know, going back to earn 641 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 6: a story. You know, we can all make a difference. 642 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 6: We could all make a difference in this fighting by 643 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 6: just studying, looking, researching here and more, attending classes with 644 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,719 Speaker 6: short classes, and we can all realize what it is. 645 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 6: And most of the time it's not as applicator asks exactly. 646 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 4: Mm hmmm. 647 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 2: It's because of the Sharrys of the world, right, It's 648 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 2: because of the people who see something and say something. 649 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 2: Of what you're doing, Remy, like you said, like everything 650 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,359 Speaker 2: you've been through has led you to this moment. There 651 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 2: is a reason you're a storyteller. There's a reason that 652 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,879 Speaker 2: you're in front of the camera and behind it. It's 653 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 2: because you're here to make a difference. And each one 654 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:26,800 Speaker 2: of us can do something. 655 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 3: And Remy your book the title Transformed, I mean, that 656 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 3: is what it's all about, right, Like how you continue 657 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 3: on your journey. Things happen to all of us, but 658 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 3: it's how we move forward and move onward, you know, 659 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 3: as always on facing evil, we always like to end 660 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 3: with a lightness, you know, like how do you through 661 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 3: all the trials and tribulations you know that you've been 662 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 3: through in your life. How did you get to the 663 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 3: light or how do you did you stay in the 664 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,399 Speaker 3: light or how did you find the light? 665 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 5: Well, my mom, I mean that's the top of mind answer. 666 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 3: Same with us, ma'am, Yes, same with us. 667 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,760 Speaker 6: She always reminded me when I was selling drugs and 668 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 6: doing all the crazy stuff that I did in the Bronx. 669 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 5: You know, my mom would always. 670 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 6: Remind me of my name. And I brought that up earlier, 671 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 6: and she would always say, Rendy, that's. 672 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,760 Speaker 7: Not you, like like you're. 673 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 5: Acting like someone you're not. This is who you are, 674 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 5: this is who your father was. 675 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 6: And she would always beat into us this importance of hey, 676 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 6: you're excellent and needed to walk that out. And so, 677 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,320 Speaker 6: you know, I had a spirit. I had a constant 678 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 6: example of what. 679 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 5: It meant to persevere. 680 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 6: You know my mom, you know, she worked multiple jobs 681 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,399 Speaker 6: to provide for us. They were times where she didn't 682 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:51,720 Speaker 6: have enough food to be herself. 683 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 5: She had just enough food to be my brother. 684 00:35:53,719 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 6: And I, you know, I watched my mom just never quit, ever, 685 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 6: ever quit. As a matter of fact, I'll share the 686 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 6: story that Dan shared the book. After my dad died, 687 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 6: my mom had she had still has a cousin who 688 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 6: a wealthy, very wealthy lawyer, and my dad called him 689 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 6: up because she had no money left when she came 690 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,919 Speaker 6: to she had no money left after she buried my dad, 691 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 6: and she called up her cousin and said, hey, can 692 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 6: you just loan me some money. 693 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 5: Like just until I can beat myself on because I 694 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 5: don't have a nipple to my name. He said, all right, 695 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 5: let me call you right back. 696 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 6: Five minutes later, his wife called my mom and she 697 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 6: said to my mom, how did you call up my husband? 698 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,839 Speaker 6: And asked her for Monday? Who do you think? Who 699 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 6: do you think you are? Don't you ever do this again? 700 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,479 Speaker 6: And hung up the phone with my mom. My mom 701 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 6: just want her husband. And then now she went to 702 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 6: her family member, her cousin who she grew up, who 703 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 6: my grandfather helped raise because. 704 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 5: His dad was abusive, and he says no to her. 705 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,799 Speaker 2: She could have quitted right then, yep. 706 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 5: And somehow she just put one in front of the other. 707 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 6: So for me, when it's like, hey, you know we're 708 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 6: want to be an eavy sit I'm going to be 709 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:07,359 Speaker 6: a freaking navy ship. 710 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 5: That was hell, you know I want to I want 711 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 5: to be a filmmaker. 712 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 6: Freaking get out the seal teams or thirty forty now 713 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 6: or thirty five or six, whatever it was. 714 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 5: And I want to thrive and be a filmmaker and 715 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 5: start from the bottom. 716 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 6: Everybody in Hollywood telling me, no, Hey, I'm going to 717 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 6: freaking work for the little walk. 718 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 3: It's going to happen, Yes it is, Yes, right. This 719 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 3: has been an incredible, incredible interview with you. We are 720 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 3: just so humbled that you took time out of your 721 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 3: busy schedule to speak with us. 722 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 7: Mm hmm. 723 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 2: Remy A delek Mahalo Nuiloa. Thank you so much for 724 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,880 Speaker 2: joining my beautiful sister and I on facing evil, but 725 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 2: more importantly for sharing your story and helping us tell 726 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 2: Irma's story and teaching us that everyone has unlimited potential. 727 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 6: Absolutely, thank you. Thank you so much for having me there. 728 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 6: Thank you somewhere for having Lassia. I greatly greatly. 729 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:06,240 Speaker 5: Appreciate you both. 730 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 2: Today's message of hope and healing goes out to the 731 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:19,440 Speaker 2: helpers out there, like Shery Bhutang, who initially reported that 732 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,319 Speaker 2: Irma was a human trafficking victim. Cherry spoke up for 733 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 2: Irma and fought for her to be rescued after years 734 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 2: of enslavement. 735 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 3: Yes, so if you see something, say something, you can 736 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 3: call the National Human Trafficking Hotline twenty four hours a day, 737 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,439 Speaker 3: seven days a week at eight eight eight three seven 738 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 3: three seven eight eight eight. You can also text the 739 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,800 Speaker 3: word help to two three three seven three three. Cherry 740 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 3: Beutong saw the signs and said something and gave Irma 741 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:54,760 Speaker 3: her freedom back. 742 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 2: Yes, thank you, Sherry. Our emua goes out to you 743 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 2: and to Irma Martinez. You are both shining examples of 744 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 2: perseverance and hope. Onward and upward. 745 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 4: Emua e moua. 746 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,279 Speaker 2: Well, that's our show for today. We'd love to hear 747 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 2: what you thought about today's discussion and if there's a 748 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 2: case you'd like for us to. 749 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 3: Cover, find us on social media or email us at 750 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 3: facingevilpod at Tenderfoot dot tv. 751 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,279 Speaker 2: And one small request if you haven't already, please find 752 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 2: us on iTunes and give us a good rating and 753 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,919 Speaker 2: a good review. If you like what we do, your 754 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,840 Speaker 2: support is always cherished. 755 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:57,320 Speaker 4: Until next time. Aloha. 756 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,920 Speaker 1: Facing Evil is a production of I Heart Radio and 757 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 1: Tenderfoot TV. 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