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Speaker 2: in this conversation, Marie isn't in mentoring mode. She's opening

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Speaker 1: She is my first, my last, my only phone called

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Speaker 2: And they don't hold back from the heartbreak to the healing.

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Speaker 3: The shit was hitting the fan in my life, and

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Speaker 2: And after digging deep, they bring the laughter and real talk.

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Speaker 2: Preach joined host Martin Luther King the Third Andrea Waters

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Speaker 2: king Mark Kilberger and Craig Kilberger for an honest, unapologetic

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Speaker 2: Before today's episode begins, please be advised this conversation includes

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Speaker 4: Welcome to My Legacy. Today's guest is Marie Fourlio. Marie

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Speaker 4: built her business and platform on purpose, resilience, an unshakable belief,

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Speaker 4: We're so honored to have you with us here today

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Speaker 1: Today I brought the one and only magical Unicorn, herself,

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Speaker 6: Now back to my legacy.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I'm so glad you brought Chris. I

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Speaker 1: of support I needed in a really traumatic moment.

437
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Speaker 7: It's really on honor that and just myself and my

438
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,439
Speaker 7: brother Craig. We lost our father about a handful of

439
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 7: weeks ago, but nine ten weeks ago. Sorry, thank you,

440
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 7: We appreciate that. So we do have a good understanding

441
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 7: of the dysfunction of the medical system that really separates

442
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 7: the mind and the body. And just want to say

443
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 7: how challenging that it is. And I want to say

444
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 7: thank you for sharing that, and especially for sharing with

445
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 7: such detail and such rawness about the challenges your mom's

446
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 7: gone through, especially the last little while, because aging is difficult,

447
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 7: but aging parents without a medical system that really understands

448
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 7: the wholeness of that process is equally difficult. Chris, I

449
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 7: want to direct the same type of question for you

450
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,719
Speaker 7: to give listeners inspiration, advice and courage. Let's take us

451
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 7: back to the pandemic, when your father was sick and

452
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 7: was dying, your business was struggling because of the pandemic,

453
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 7: and you just celebrated quote unquote your twentieth anniversary of

454
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 7: having incurable cancer. Now, for anybody else, any one of

455
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 7: those would have been a crisis, but this is must

456
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 7: have felt like an emotional tsunami. What pulled you through,

457
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 7: what got you through through that moment? What advice do

458
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 7: you have for people that are going through very challenging times.

459
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Speaker 3: I look back at that time, and I know all

460
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 3: the things that Marie has gone through in these for years,

461
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 3: and I feel like I was just a little ahead,

462
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 3: meaning like the shit was hitting the fan in my life,

463
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 3: and I had more perspective when it really hit the

464
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 3: fan in her life. And so a lot of the

465
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 3: mistakes that I made in my own life I could

466
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 3: try to avoid in hers. So even saying things like

467
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 3: do you want me to listen, as opposed to just

468
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 3: barreling in with advice you have to do this, you

469
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 3: have to do that, you have to do this, you know,

470
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 3: was something that I learned through my own experience of grief.

471
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 3: I did not want to touch grief. So as somebody

472
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 3: who has lived with stage four cancer for over two decades,

473
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 3: you would think that grief would be an emotion that

474
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 3: I am very familiar with, because there's a lot of

475
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 3: grief that comes from the loss of an identity, the

476
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 3: loss of physical capabilities, the loss of you know, your health.

477
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 3: And yet I had a blind spot because it felt

478
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 3: so hot and so big to me that if I

479
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 3: thought that if I even touched it, and what would

480
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 3: happen is my whole life foot fall apart. Because there

481
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 3: was so much systemic and generational trauma in those places

482
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 3: and in those hot spots, and so I kept avoiding it.

483
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 3: And I think for me that avoidance would come through

484
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 3: working harder, creating more, helping others further, just hustle, and

485
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 3: the more success I got, the easier it was to

486
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 3: continue down that path. So it really wasn't until the

487
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 3: pandemic and this constellation of loss came my way. My

488
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 3: father was my chosen father, so I didn't meet my

489
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 3: biological father until I was a teenager, and so he

490
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 3: and I had a very very close relationship. We still do,

491
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 3: and I actually think Marie has a close relationship with

492
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 3: him on the other side, because she's always reminding me

493
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 3: Ken said this, and Ken would tell us to do that,

494
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 3: and Ken would say that this thing that you're doing

495
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 3: is like naughty town, USA, cut it out right. So

496
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 3: she has had a lot of she's been impacted by

497
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 3: him as well. But it was really those moments when

498
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 3: everything starts to fall apart that I think we have

499
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 3: this opportunity to do the deep healing. And as a

500
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 3: result of that, you know, my book is called I'm

501
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 3: Not a Morning Person, Morning with You, and it's because

502
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 3: I didn't want to be a morning person. And yet

503
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 3: it's those places that we avoid that often hold our freedom,

504
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 3: as everybody here knows and then some And so I

505
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 3: went on this pilgrimage, in this journey that was really

506
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 3: about having the courage to explore my grief and then

507
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 3: kind of understanding that we can't amputate any of our

508
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 3: emotions and expect to be whole. And I believe going

509
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 3: back to that first question of you know, if joy

510
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 3: is the is the path to a good life, and

511
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 3: you know, wholeness is the point, then we certainly can't

512
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 3: amputate something like grief. And so when everything was going

513
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 3: on and has continued to go on for both of us,

514
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 3: I think because I had had a little bit of

515
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 3: that experience, certainly living it, but also then writing about it.

516
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 3: Because when you write about something, you have to put

517
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 3: words to it in a different way other than in

518
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 3: how you would tell your therapist. And so in some

519
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 3: ways I've felt very very privileged to be Marie's best

520
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 3: friend during this time, because I felt like I had

521
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 3: something to offer that the younger me would not have

522
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 3: had to offer.

523
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 7: And Chris, just you can't amputate grief so powerful, so

524
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 7: important in terms of wholeness. But you were there and

525
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 7: you showed up with Marie, of course, and that was

526
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 7: really impactful. But what did Marie do to show up

527
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 7: for you and just give us some tangible things? And

528
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 7: so if you have a best friend going through a crisis,

529
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 7: going through difficult time, and when everybody to be listening

530
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 7: to this, Chris, how did Marie show up and give

531
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 7: you that love and connection that you needed, especially at

532
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 7: that time.

533
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 3: Well, Marie always keeps me connected to my source. And

534
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 3: I think that's one of the greatest things that she

535
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 3: does for me. She not only stands for me as

536
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 3: a person, but she stands for the parts of me

537
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 3: that I neglect, and there are plenty of them.

538
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 7: What do you mean by that? What can you explain

539
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 7: that moment? That's really deep?

540
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 3: Explain that little So when you're going through difficult time,

541
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 3: especially she now that when you know your parents are

542
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 3: getting older and you're in the stage where maybe you're

543
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 3: caring for young people and older people, there's a lot

544
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 3: of pressure on you to be that caregiver, and there's

545
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 3: a lot of very serious decisions that also have to

546
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 3: be made during that time. So you need to be

547
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 3: your sharpest, you need to be at full capacity. Well,

548
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 3: how can you be at full capacity when you're absolutely

549
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 3: exhausted and burnt out? And so of course you're not

550
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 3: going to take the time in those moments, or you

551
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 3: don't think that take the time to recuperate and to

552
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 3: really take care of yourself because you're in fight or

553
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 3: flight mode. You know, somebody's survival is dependent on you

554
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 3: and how you show up. And so your best friend,

555
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 3: if you're like you have a best friend like me

556
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 3: who'll kick your ass, will be the person who will

557
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 3: say like, hey, you're doing a great job, but you

558
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 3: need this, or you need to take care of yourself,

559
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 3: or you need a rest or you need play, you

560
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 3: need to come to the city, We need to have

561
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,959
Speaker 3: a good time, We need to see a scary movie.

562
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 3: Do you need me to brainstorm? How can I help you?

563
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 3: What doors can I open for you? So it's all

564
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 3: of those things, right, And she is truly the person

565
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 3: that I would go to when I have the best

566
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 3: news on the planet, and She's the first person I'm

567
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 3: gonna go to when I have the worst news on

568
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 3: the planet, because she's gonna hold my hair when I'm

569
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 3: barfing because I'm totally overwhelmed by what's going on. And

570
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 3: then she's gonna give me a hug, and then she's

571
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 3: gonna say, how can I help you put this back

572
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 3: together again? And probably if she's gonna help you put

573
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,959
Speaker 3: something back together again, it's gonna come back together in

574
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 3: a much better, stronger, and more loving way.

575
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Speaker 1: We feel each other very intuitively, and and I can

576
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: feel in Chris that she's depleted. Like I'm showing up

577
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: with my full humor. I might drive to her. She

578
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: lives a couple hours away. We love some of the

579
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: same foods. I'm like, we're making this soup, We're watching

580
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: our favorite show. We're doing x Y or Z, or

581
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: I'm making you come into the city and I'm cooking

582
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: for you and I'm going to take you shopping, or

583
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna somehow fill your well in a way that's

584
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: going to keep you aligned with that joy and yourself

585
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: and the fact that everything's gonna be okay and you

586
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: don't have to hold it together on your own and

587
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: I got you. And if you need to just melt

588
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: and lose it and have it be messy, I will

589
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: sit here and get in the mess with you, and

590
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: you don't have to clean it up. I got that too.

591
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 2: Coming up, Marie four Leo and Chris Carr. She has

592
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 2: the relationship advice they wish they'd hurt sooner, and how

593
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 2: they show up for each other through life's toughest moments.

594
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 4: Now back to my legacy, let us.

595
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 6: Talk a little bit about romantic relationships, because obviously the

596
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 6: two of you all are such a powerful system for

597
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 6: each other, but you've also built strong, loving partnerships with

598
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 6: two amazing men. Marie, I think it's been more than

599
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 6: two decades with your partner, Josh. Yes, we're coming up

600
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 6: almost on thirty thirty years together, and like us, you

601
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 6: were wise enough to have a partner with a little

602
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 6: bit of seasoning on them. I think that there's a

603
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 6: little bit of age the same with us, which is

604
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 6: absolutely so wonderful and spicy. But what have you learned

605
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 6: about what it really really takes to grow together through

606
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,719
Speaker 6: the ups and downs of life with your romantic partner?

607
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my gosh. And by the way, this is

608
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: something Chris and I, Oh, we talk about this all

609
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: the time. But for me with Josh, so yeah, it's

610
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: like twenty two plus years and he is just such

611
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: a magical, incredible, creative, loving human being. And I can

612
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: say this because we say this often like the times,

613
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: like we have so much love and adoration and respect

614
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: for one another and there's such deep rapport and support

615
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: and like soul level recognition, and then at so many

616
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: times we want to we're just like I can't stand you,

617
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: you know, like it's just like we drive each other absolutely, Baddy.

618
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 2: Try working together too, Yes.

619
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I say this to Chris too. I say

620
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: this to Chris. I'm like, if Josh and I work together.

621
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: So Josh is primarily an actor, writer, director, so he's

622
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: in the entertainment field, and I've got, you know, my

623
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: own Loneline empire. If him and I work together, I

624
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: would be in an orange jumpsuit because I would have

625
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: murdered this or man and be just a way for it.

626
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: Because that's the level that we can get to. I'm

627
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: joking obviously, but some of the things that we've learned,

628
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 1: I will say probably the most I've done every retreat

629
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: one could do read every book one could read, because

630
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: I'm that person who loves to learn and tries to

631
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: to just be a better person. And doctor Harville Hendrix

632
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 1: and Helen Kelly the Mago American Therapy.

633
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes.

634
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: Our butt continues to save our butts on the car

635
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: rides where I'm like, really, did you just say that

636
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: or whatever?

637
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 6: Automatically going to the script.

638
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: We try and then sometimes one of us slips out,

639
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: and of course like if it's Josh, I'm like, you're

640
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: not doing dialogue.

641
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 7: As a dutiful husband, and craigsy husband, just give us

642
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 7: like the thirty seconds of what you're talking about with

643
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 7: the script and the therapy, we just take us a

644
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 7: step back and.

645
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: Very silent.

646
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, so so so, just just engage to listen.

647
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 6: It is I think one of the most potent and

648
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 6: powerful ways of facilitating love and conversation, certainly in with

649
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 6: your romantic partners, you know, kind of dialoguing and really

650
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 6: hearing what your partner is saying and then not responding

651
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 6: as much. So for me, a lot of it is

652
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,439
Speaker 6: so closely rooted in that the whole idea too, of

653
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 6: nonviolence and agape love. Because you separate, you separate the

654
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 6: actions or the words from the individual so that you

655
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 6: can come back together whole.

656
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: Yes, and so anyone can google learn about it. They're

657
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: still teaching Harville and Helen and I recommend everyone you know,

658
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 1: get a hold of their books, watch their videos. There's

659
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: a new documentary that's out. It's fabulous stuff, whether it's

660
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: romantic or otherwise. But I think Josh and I really,

661
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: for me, I have to always come back to celebrating

662
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: our differences. Yeah, we're very, very different people because each

663
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 1: of us in their philosophical and kind of research clinical

664
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 1: frame work, you know, we all have wounds that were

665
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: formed very early on that sort of determine our lens

666
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: on the world, and that in our romantic relationships are

667
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: very often we're almost magnetically attracted to the exact opposite

668
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: of who's going to push your buttons so that you

669
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: can both heal together. And so for Josh and I,

670
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: we find that, for example, one of my fears is

671
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: being suffocated. So I love freedom. I love freedom, I

672
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: love freedom. And Joshi's fear, his kind of core childhood wound,

673
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: is being abandoned. So you could just see when one

674
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 1: person doesn't want to be suffocated and one person doesn't

675
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,240
Speaker 1: want to be abandoned. You have like a saltmn pepper

676
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: shaker of the exact things that will drive it with

677
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: our bonkers. So I think for us celebrating the differences,

678
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: coming back to tools that actually work. I think also

679
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: the courage to know I am not the same person

680
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: that I was twenty two plus years ago, and neither

681
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: is he, and being able to courageously sit and talk

682
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: and discover anew who this person is now, who do

683
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: they want to become? And can we continue to grow

684
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: together without holding one another back and honoring our differences

685
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: as we both evolve forward, And that's like an ever

686
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: growing dance. We certainly don't always get it right, but

687
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: what I'm proud of is that we keep coming back

688
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: to the core of we love each other. We want

689
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: to see each other happy. We're committed to each other's

690
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: health and well being, and we're committed to it being

691
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: messy and too working it through when things aren't going well.

692
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: And that's you know that can be often in any

693
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: human relationship where you have friction.

694
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 6: And Chris, I know that Brian has been with you

695
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 6: throughout from your diagnosis to your healing. What has he

696
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 6: taught you about love in partnership.

697
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 3: Well, you know, prior to Brian, I was always looking

698
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 3: for the guy who would leave me basically, so I

699
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 3: for me, my core woman is also abandonment. It's somebody

700
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 3: who met her father later in life. My father left

701
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 3: when I was conceived, and so I think I was

702
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 3: always looking for that daddy figure. And I remember as

703
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 3: a child thinking, well, if I am successful, maybe one

704
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 3: day he'll hear about me and he'll want to meet

705
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 3: me because I'll have value, right, And so I would

706
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 3: and I also imagine what he might have been like.

707
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 3: I saw him as like this big warrior and you know,

708
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 3: he's a lot of bravado. I don't know where my

709
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 3: little childhood mind came up with all this stuff, maybe

710
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 3: like superhero type of stuff. And so I was always

711
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 3: looking for that big warrior, bravado guy who had a

712
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 3: lot of charisma and a lot of daddy troubles too, right.

713
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 3: And so it really wasn't until my diagnosis that as

714
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 3: I was healing other aspects of my life and really

715
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 3: kind of saying, Okay, if you only have a certain

716
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 3: amount of time left. If that's the case, how do

717
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 3: you want to spend it? That I think I saw

718
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 3: somebody like Brian.

719
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: I don't.

720
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 3: We knew each other and we had been in previous

721
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 3: relationships and we had been in our friend circles, but

722
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 3: I hadn't seen him as somebody who could be a

723
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 3: partner with me. And so Brian is a filmmaker. He

724
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 3: is an Emmy Award winning editor film editor. And when

725
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 3: I was making my film Crazy Sexy Cancer, one of

726
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 3: our mutual friends was like, maybe Brian can cut a

727
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 3: little trailer for you, because they knew that I wanted

728
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 3: to submit it to a little industry night to see

729
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 3: if so I could get representation. So he cut that

730
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 3: trailer for me, and he started to teach me a

731
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 3: whole lot about filmmaking because I had always been in

732
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 3: front of the camera, but right before my diagnosis, I

733
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 3: had moved to wanting to be behind the camera because

734
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 3: I wanted to basically call the shots. And we were

735
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 3: little bit dating, but not really. It was really for me.

736
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 3: It was about the focus of the film. But as

737
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 3: this four years went on, you know, making the project together,

738
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 3: you know, he became the partner that I always I

739
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 3: think deserved and hadn't didn't see because I was so

740
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 3: trapped in my own wounds, and so we ended up

741
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 3: leaving our careers and working together. And I think that

742
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 3: in and of itself becomes this practice for relationship. As

743
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 3: Marie has said, we have had many conversations where we've

744
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 3: coached each other through hot relationship moments, and I'd say

745
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 3: the biggest thing that I have learned from him specifically is,

746
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 3: and Marie loves when I say this, so you will

747
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 3: know exactly what I'm saying, Marie, is the only time

748
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 3: you can change somebody is when they're in diapers.

749
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 2: That's one of the.

750
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 7: Best That's good, yes, is that at the beginning of

751
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,720
Speaker 7: life and the end of life or just the beginning

752
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 7: of life.

753
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 2: Just obviously.

754
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 6: Got it, Oh my goodness.

755
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 3: And I've had to learn. I had to learn, like, Okay,

756
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 3: who is this person that I'm with that I can

757
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 3: like champion and love and love for who he is.

758
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 3: And and then if you want to change somebody, it's

759
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 3: because there's something in you that really is desiring to

760
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 3: be healed. And so for me it was like, Okay,

761
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 3: I got the focus on the wrong place. What are

762
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 3: the wounds, what's the what are the booboos, what are

763
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 3: the hurt nooks and crannies of my being that need

764
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 3: that care. And then I think, I mean, I'm still

765
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 3: on this path. But the more work we put into

766
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 3: that area, I guess our relationships benefit too, because we

767
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 3: sort of like let the love flourish as opposed to,

768
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 3: you know, try to control and suffocate it and make

769
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 3: it look a certain way that it doesn't want to

770
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 3: be in the first place.

771
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 5: That's amazing and sometimes we say, particularly with the quote

772
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,280
Speaker 5: you can only chance someone in diapers.

773
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 6: Now that a preach and that comes directly from a

774
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 6: preacher's KIDK.

775
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: So there you go, preach.

776
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 5: I can make a whole sermon around it. I want

777
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 5: to ask both of you something about uh particularly for

778
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 5: our uh single listeners uh be because certainly dating can

779
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 5: be frustrating and challenging, and you know everybody has a checklist.

780
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 5: What maybe what's one thing that you were looking for

781
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 5: in your twenties, but now it's what you love most

782
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:47,240
Speaker 5: about your partner.

783
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 6: Before you answer this, did you ever think in your

784
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 6: life that Martin Luther King would be asking you about

785
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 6: your dating checklist?

786
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 2: No?

787
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 3: No, I cannot wait for dinner tonight and be like, honey.

788
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,919
Speaker 2: I tell you about my day so.

789
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: Just as a little context, Jersey girl Italian American grew

790
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: up on the Jersey Shore, which really big hair, lots

791
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: of tanning beds, gold gym, muscles, guidos. I can say

792
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: that because I'm Italian American, so like probably on my

793
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: list in my early twenties was like a really good

794
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: tan and gold chains. And then as it got to

795
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 1: like a more mature age, someone like Josh who is

796
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: so willing to do the work And when I say

797
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: the work, I mean the work of loving themselves and

798
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: another human being who is as flawed as I am,

799
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: who is as wild as I am, who has as

800
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 1: many different expressions as I am. So somebody who's willing

801
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 1: to not just you know, assume that they know it all,

802
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: but be willing to be curious and grow and learn.

803
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, from from tans and kind of oiled up

804
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: big muscles and gold chains to the inner.

805
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 3: You know, I don't even know if I knew what

806
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 3: I wanted. I was just sort of flailing all around,

807
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 3: you know.

808
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 4: Back then.

809
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 3: But what I know now is that I really am

810
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,720
Speaker 3: so grateful to have a partner that I love talking

811
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 3: to that is endlessly curious, that you know, can dive

812
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 3: into any topic out there. Even when we go out

813
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,720
Speaker 3: and we meet people and maybe he doesn't know anything

814
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 3: about the thing that they do, he's endlessly fascinated by

815
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 3: it and he wants to have those really wonderful conversations.

816
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 3: And I think, as my life has continued, it's just

817
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 3: so we it's so we're so lucky when we can

818
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 3: have deep conversations with the people.

819
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: That we love.

820
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 6: And I do want to take us back to where

821
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 6: we began, which is just the deep and unwavering friendship between.

822
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 4: The two of you.

823
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 6: All part of that too, showing up and being there

824
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 6: for each other. Sometimes you have to kind of stand

825
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 6: in some hard truth or one truth, and so I

826
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 6: would like to ask each of you what would be

827
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 6: the one truth that you have said to each other

828
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 6: that you all really needed to hear at that moment.

829
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: I can be very hard headed, I will say that,

830
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 1: and I sometimes I'm like, I need to open everything

831
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: as figure outable. Oh wow, I wrote that. Boy do

832
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: I need a reminder? Here's what I want to say.

833
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: I will find the truth. But I just want to,

834
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: like with Chris, she's really the one person in the

835
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: world and I really think she is the only person

836
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: in the world who can say what may be to

837
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 1: perhaps my ego, you know, like a painful truth, and

838
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: to not have me want to like slap her one person,

839
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: because she will know how to kind of talk about intention,

840
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: to like kind of fill the space with love and

841
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: say hey, because I know she's standing for the essence

842
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: of me, the soul of me, the highest of me

843
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 1: that I can I know she's speaking never to hurt me,

844
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: but to help me rise up and to help me

845
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: ease my suffering. One of the things that I always

846
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 1: wrestle with, less so now than in my earlier years,

847
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: but is really like this ultra competitive comparison kind of

848
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 1: thing in my head that I'm not doing enough, that

849
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: oh I should be doing more. It's kind of this

850
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: addiction to productivity and achievement, and some of which can

851
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: be really beautiful and that can drive us, and then

852
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 1: for me, I've noticed it can go awry and it

853
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 1: can be a monster that can feel just terrible inside.

854
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: And anytime that I've found myself in a space like

855
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: that where I'm torturing me and I'm still you know,

856
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: no matter how hard I'm working or how much I'm producing,

857
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: it's still never enough. And let's say I'm comparing myself

858
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: to a colleague or somebody out there, She'll be the

859
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: one to be like, Okay, well this is what I

860
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: know about you, Marie, you are such a powerful manifestor

861
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: do you really want that?

862
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 2: Do you want X, Y or Z?

863
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: Because I know you could get it and we could

864
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: write down, does that do you really want that?

865
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 5: Life?

866
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 8: And then when she does that to me, I'm no, like,

867
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 8: like it brings it all together. So she has this

868
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 8: way of taming my inner demons and my monsters, and

869
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 8: so the truth is really getting me back aligned with

870
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 8: how powerful of a creator that I am. And the

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Speaker 8: truth I usually need to hear is like I'm doing

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Speaker 8: exactly what I really want to do. It's this thing

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Speaker 8: and I'm pointing to my head for all of our listeners.

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Speaker 8: It's my mind that can often take me off into

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Speaker 8: these very tortuous places.

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Speaker 3: So with me, I as much I will stand for

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Speaker 3: people and stand for people in my family especially, and

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Speaker 3: you know myner in our circle, I can also disappear

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Speaker 3: and vanish and hide, and you become my own little

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Speaker 3: happy hermit cave dweller. And Marie always knows when it's

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Speaker 3: gone too far and she'll just you know, pull me

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Speaker 3: out of the cave, sometimes by my hair, but always lovingly.

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Speaker 3: But also there are those moments when I actually don't

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Speaker 3: know how to use my voice, and they tend to

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Speaker 3: be in similar situations, and literally she will coach me

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Speaker 3: and she'll give me the script to follow. And you

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Speaker 3: think that when you are grown up, you don't need

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Speaker 3: help with things like scripts and how to talk to people,

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Speaker 3: but I think oftentimes we actually do, especially when they're

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Speaker 3: conversations that are difficult and maybe scary. And when I

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Speaker 3: say scary, because they're tapping into something an old wound

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Speaker 3: or a place that still needs love and care in ourselves.

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Speaker 3: And so she's my script doctor.

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Speaker 7: That's awesome, script doctor. What a great conversation. Thank you, guys.

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Speaker 7: This has just been absolutely remarkable.

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Speaker 4: And just listening to the two of you, I gotta say,

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Speaker 4: I think this is one of my favorite episodes You've

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Speaker 4: ever had because of just the vulnerability, the rawness, the

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Speaker 4: holding each other accountable, the storytelling, and just clearly the

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Speaker 4: love between the two of you. It's just such a

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Speaker 4: beautiful model for friendship. Courage comes from pain, the places

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Speaker 4: we avoid hold our freedom. We cannot amputate any emotions

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Speaker 4: and expect to be whole. And of course, I think

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Speaker 4: my personal favorite only time we could change someone in diapers.

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Speaker 4: I think that one my wife is going to quote

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Speaker 4: to me a few times. The two of you have

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Speaker 4: brought such a beautiful friendship to share with us.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you for joining us. If

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Speaker 2: you enjoyed today's conversation, subscribe, share, and follow us on

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Speaker 2: doctor King's vision of the beloved community and the power

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