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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Nola.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We are joined as always with

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Speaker 3: our super producer Alexis code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly,

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Speaker 3: you are you. You are here That makes this the

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Speaker 3: stuff they don't want you to know. It's the top

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Speaker 3: of the week, which means it is time for some

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Speaker 3: strange news. Where are Mexican cartels getting all this hardware?

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Speaker 3: From what's going on with Iran the US? And that

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Speaker 3: weird sound in Florida that might just be fishbanging? Is

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Speaker 3: Bear going to be held responsible for some various other

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Speaker 4: Of that, we'll get to all that more.

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Speaker 3: But before we do any of that, we've got an

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Speaker 3: up and coming musician to talk about. And even before then, Noel,

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Speaker 3: you had some thoughts on the recent resurgence and viral

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Speaker 3: popularity of Stanley Cup's not the hockey trophy exactly.

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Speaker 4: I mean, look, first of all, that's the first time

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Speaker 4: I heard all this hubbub about the Stanley Cup. I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 4: I guess hockey's taken off in the States now, you know,

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Speaker 4: Not the case. Apparently. This company, Stanley, has been around

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Speaker 4: for like a hundred years and largely, much like the

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Speaker 4: thermisis and sulated thermoss that you might see folks taking

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Speaker 4: to a work site. And then I don't know exactly

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Speaker 4: how it happen. There were a couple of things that

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Speaker 4: They're very popular among nurses, They're very popular among you know,

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Speaker 4: or for having knockoff Stanley Cups kind of like a

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Speaker 4: bit of a rag's to riches kind of story for

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Speaker 4: this brand. They started doing all these exclusive colors. People

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Speaker 4: are getting in fights over them at Walmart's. There was

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Speaker 4: a heist of them recently to come into our recent

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Speaker 4: contain lead. There were some like kind of TikTok moms

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Speaker 4: tests that you can get on Amazon, swabbing the inside

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Speaker 4: of Stanley cups, also swabbing the inside of I believe

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Speaker 4: And one other thing, and the other two tested negative

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Speaker 4: but it's okay because it's part of the manufacturing process

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Speaker 4: That you can't buy that kind of marketing. You can't.

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Speaker 3: so tell us about this Taylor Swift person. It's tough

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Speaker 4: I think that's part of what we're going to talk

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Speaker 2: Yes, no, yeah, I feel all that stuff. The point

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Speaker 2: And we've returned. Guys, are we familiar with the comedian

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Speaker 2: into our very serious subject here today. Arms trafficking and

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Speaker 2: This is a tale as old as time. You could

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Speaker 2: January twenty second, it is titled Mexico demands Investigation into

432
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Speaker 2: US military grade weapons being used by drug cartels. Right

433
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 2: on the nose there, Mexico is looking for an urgent

434
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 2: investigation into how exactly these US military grade weapons are

435
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 2: finding their way into the hands of these members who

436
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 2: are using them against the security forces. These are things

437
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 2: like belt fed machine guns, rocket launchers, and grenades, things

438
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 2: that you don't want to deal with the wrong end

439
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 2: of right, and they're generally not sold for civilian use.

440
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Speaker 2: Before we even get into the rest of the article here, guys,

441
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Speaker 2: I think we've all found in research for this subject,

442
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 2: just in seeing the news and thinking about it. There

443
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,199
Speaker 2: are states in the United States where you can procure

444
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Speaker 2: such things. Some of it is a little more off book,

445
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 2: like the rocket launchers are a little more iffy. Let's

446
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 2: call it gray market, yeah, grenades just writing underneath that.

447
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 2: But the belt fed machine guns and like sig sour

448
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,479
Speaker 2: huge like fifty cow rifles are a whole other thing,

449
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 2: because that's a whole that's a whole other problem here,

450
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 2: like these large essentially sniper rifles that use the larger ammunition.

451
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Speaker 4: So the implication being that there's an inside person's that's

452
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 4: feeding them this stuff, or that there's even potentially governments involvements.

453
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Speaker 3: I think the first part is a clarification that I

454
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 3: really appreciate, Matt, which is that in some states some

455
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 3: of this hardware that is military great can be acquired legal.

456
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 3: So it's just it's expensive, it's inconvenient. It can happen,

457
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 3: but nowhere near this degree. Yes, that is the issue.

458
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Speaker 2: I would say it's highly unlikely that you have even

459
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 2: a large number of people who are buying these weapons

460
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 2: legally in the US then shipping them to Mexico because.

461
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Speaker 4: You couldn't get that scale right. It wouldn't.

462
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 3: It'd be tough.

463
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 2: It would be tough to scale. And also the legal

464
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 2: matter of tracing guns, because when you buy one of

465
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 2: those guns, you're gonna get registered in some way somewhere

466
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 2: unless you're buying it, you know, secondhand, third hand, and

467
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 2: you basically create a paper trail that's difficult to follow.

468
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 3: We don't need serial numbers between friends. You meet out

469
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 3: in the desert, you make sure everyone's got a cool vibe,

470
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Speaker 3: and then you get your bag.

471
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Speaker 4: Yes you have an inside connection.

472
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the vibe. I would say that Mexico is

473
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 2: putting out is that hey, US military, maybe there's a

474
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 2: backdoor problem that you've got going on with your military

475
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 2: with your supplies, right.

476
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Speaker 3: Which is almost certainly true.

477
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Speaker 4: I think I do. Yes, I'm sorry, just elef in

478
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 4: the room, guys, I guess it's not really an element,

479
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 4: it's just the room.

480
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Speaker 2: Well, so it brings up the thing we mentioned at

481
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 2: the top, but also another The first thing is that

482
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 2: US military grade weapons are hanging out all over the place,

483
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 2: stockpiles of them that have just existed since the nineteen

484
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 2: eighties and before that. You then get repurposed or then

485
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 2: an official military body comes through in a country where

486
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 2: those weapons were used, takes them over and then has

487
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 2: them stockpile. But then maybe they leak out. We know

488
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 2: corruption amongst military members within Mexico itself is a huge

489
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 2: issue that they've been dealing with for decades, but even

490
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 2: recently we've talked about it on this show, where it

491
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 2: appears that there are potential leaks for that kind of thing,

492
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 2: and potential let's say, lines that someone could follow to

493
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 2: get that hardware. Agreed, it's a really messed up issue

494
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 2: because these weapons were used to do things like destroy

495
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 2: planes recently that were at an International Airport, like Cartel

496
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 2: members used some of this weaponry to all that kind

497
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 2: of stuff.

498
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 3: To stop a boss from escaping right now.

499
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was when one of the one of l

500
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 2: Chapo's suns was being arrested or being taken in. There

501
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 2: was a huge, I don't know, pushback their resistance to

502
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 2: that action being taken by the military where very dangerous

503
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 2: weapons were being used against military members and civilians alike. Horrifying,

504
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 2: terrifying stuff that if you were there to witness it.

505
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 2: Just the number of bullet holes And I'm looking at

506
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 2: a picture right now of the entrance to the city

507
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 2: hall in this one part of Mexico City where Cartel's

508
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 2: shot it up, and they're just these huge holes that

509
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 2: are not from standard style like in AR fifteen or something. Gosh, guys,

510
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 2: we don't even need to spend that much time on

511
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 2: this because it is this huge quagmire of an idea,

512
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 2: of a concept, of a thing that's happening that doesn't

513
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: have an exact answer, But Mexico wants an answer, that's

514
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 2: the whole point. They want to know what the heck's happening,

515
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 2: and they're reaching out to the US, the government, to

516
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: the ambassador saying, hey, what the heck is the problem?

517
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 2: Help us figure it out.

518
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 3: And do they not deserve an answer? I feel like

519
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 3: that's a very fair thing. I mean, like, think through.

520
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 3: I love that you pointed out there the messy logistics

521
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 3: right of the US being the hedgemon of those two continents.

522
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 3: What happens is you get your freedom fighters, your right

523
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 3: wing Getia and you stage a coup, right shout out

524
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 3: Guatemala in the fifties and so on, and you typically,

525
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 3: unfortunately this is true, you typically cut that native talent

526
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 3: and you leave them adrift. You don't take back their guns,

527
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 3: so you don't take back their stuff. So that means

528
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 3: there's a lot of material that's unaccounted for, and there's

529
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 3: not a very high and unfortunately, in the domestic US

530
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 3: there is a huge incentive on monitoring and tracking this

531
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Speaker 3: kind of stuff or civilian esque versions of it, prosumer

532
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 3: if you wish. But abroad there's absolutely there's very little oversight,

533
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And people sometimes forget that

534
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 3: you could hop on a plane and aproad is like

535
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 3: two to three hours away, you know.

536
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think that that's one of the main

537
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 2: points Mexican officials have been making if you are a

538
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 2: civilian living in Mexico, you can buy low grade firearms

539
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 2: like the small stuff, right low caliber weapons if you

540
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: and you can't get a hold of the other stuff,

541
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 2: you can't do it legally. So it has to be

542
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 2: coming from somewhere, And like, what are the what holes

543
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 2: do we need to plug to make sure this thing

544
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 2: stops leaking guns into our country?

545
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 4: Well, dude, also not to mention the hypocrisy of it all,

546
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 4: Like there's so much rhetoric, you know, in certain political

547
00:30:55,360 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 4: spaces around Mexico and how they're leaking drugs and and

548
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 4: an evil people into you.

549
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 2: Know what I mean.

550
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 4: It's like the rhetoric, the heated rhetoric behind that we

551
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 4: have to close those plug those holes, build the wall whatever.

552
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 4: And again I'm not coming down on any political side here.

553
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 4: It's just it's a fact these things are said. I

554
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 4: can imagine that does not sit well oftentimes with these

555
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 4: folks in power there. I mean, and we know it's corruption,

556
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 4: we know there's problems, but when when they see these

557
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 4: weapons that they believe are coming from US unchecked causing

558
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 4: some of the problems that we're blaming on Mexico, you

559
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 4: know what I mean, So I could see the hypocrisy

560
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 4: there being a bit of a.

561
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 3: It's not hard to find where those guns are manufactured,

562
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 3: is the issue, you know what I mean. It's not

563
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 3: like a mystery that you know, this insert insert hardware

564
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 3: here came from somewhere, but we don't know where. We

565
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 3: suspect it was maybe made the US. No, it's one

566
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 3: hundred percent this stuff is made in the United States,

567
00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 3: and it's somehow getting into the hands of veryous people

568
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 3: who honestly aspire to replace the government and the rule

569
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 3: of law of that country. It's a very dangerous thing.

570
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 4: Dude.

571
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 2: Oh this this is the other major part of this.

572
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: I can't believe you didn't bring this up yet. There's

573
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 2: a lawsuit some news that just came out of Mexico,

574
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 2: but a lawsuit. They are suing seven US gun manufacturers

575
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: for ten billion dollars. There's a lawsuit right now. It

576
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: had at one point gotten struck down or dismissed, basically

577
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 2: like you can't sue the gun manufacturers for.

578
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 4: People don't kill people. You know, bot's kill people. People

579
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 4: kill people.

580
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 2: That was the big deal. It was there's a I'm

581
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 2: gonna get this wrong y'all, there's a rule. It's not

582
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 2: a law, but it is a one of those rulings

583
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: that came down before that said you cannot sue the

584
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 2: gun manufacturer because somebody used a weapon to kill somebody.

585
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: Does that make sense, Like, yeah, that they just made

586
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 2: the tool. Somebody else with malice or whatever intent or

587
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 2: whatever was used it and someone died. But that only

588
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 2: holds true within the United States, which is what this

589
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 2: latest ruling said. So it's basically saying, yeah, well, if

590
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 2: Mexico wants to sue the manufacturers, I guess we have

591
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: to see this thing out and see how it plays.

592
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: So that's going to be a fascinating thing that plays

593
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 2: out over the next two three years or however long

594
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 2: it takes.

595
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 3: Especially because that's a that's a recent, a relatively recent

596
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 3: US law. Right, it's a.

597
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 2: Potential Lawful Commerce of Arms Act or the KEYLCAA.

598
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 3: George w Yeah, mostly true. It's very difficult in the

599
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 3: US to hold you know, your local I don't know

600
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 3: why I said it, like your local mom and pop

601
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 3: defense company. It's tough to hold them liable in civil

602
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 3: court at least, right.

603
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 4: Hey, quit picking on the defense companies, guys, yeah, they

604
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 4: didn't do anything wrong.

605
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 2: Well, no matter what route these guns are taking, it

606
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 2: is believed, at least by the Mexican there is the

607
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: government there that seventy percent of all guns that are

608
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 2: getting in the hands of cartels come directly from the

609
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 2: United States, from these weapon manufacturers that they've got beef

610
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 2: with rightly. So, so we'll see how it plays out.

611
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 2: There is a story though, that I think we should

612
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 2: cover specifically at some point in a full episode. It's

613
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 2: a story about a factory in Wisconsin that was manufacturing weapons,

614
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 2: these large caliber like they call them fifty caliber rifles,

615
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 2: and how in some way six hundred thousand dollars worth

616
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 2: of these things went to a cartel of the weapons

617
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: that were being manufactured there. It is a twisted, weird tale.

618
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 2: Vice has been writing about it, Reuter's been writing about it.

619
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 2: A bunch of places wrote about it. I think it

620
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 2: first hit the news like late last year, twenty twenty three.

621
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Speaker 2: It's strange, you guys, and it makes me think about

622
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 2: the reach of the cartel, how far as it go,

623
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 2: how many countries is you know, one particular cartel in

624
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: like the Sonola cartel or the New Generation cartel, it's

625
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 2: creepy and I think we should look into it further.

626
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, writing it down. And also another question that the

627
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 3: public media doesn't ask as often as it should. How

628
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 3: well do these cartels play with others, Meaning, for instance,

629
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 3: you might not have you might not have full reach

630
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 3: into the Upper Midwest based on your current organizational structure,

631
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 3: but you may know someone who knows someone right and

632
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 3: you could talk O Marita a little bit with some

633
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 3: with some locals. That kind of stuff happens. That's why,

634
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 3: that's why it's called organized crime. They're super into this

635
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 3: kind of thing. I think it's absolutely plausible. I agree

636
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 3: with you, wrote it down, this is an episode in

637
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 3: the future.

638
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 4: Heck yeah.

639
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,479
Speaker 2: The Mexican government, by the way, estimates around two hundred

640
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 2: thousand weapons are manufactured in the US and then sent

641
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: to Mexico each year in some way I'm abused.

642
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, are they coming in new or are they no? No?

643
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 2: Sorry not as in like their manufacturing and then sent directly.

644
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 2: Let's say, let's say two hundred thousand weapons that were

645
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 2: at some point manufactured by US based companies end up

646
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 2: in Mexico.

647
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 3: Every year, possibly with a secondary like a third party

648
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 3: transit country of some sort.

649
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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, and that is an estimate. So the question

650
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: is track down, track down the lines, guys.

651
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 4: I mean, we know that the US military, like has

652
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 4: lost nukes before in the past. Just would not shock

653
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 4: me that there was an ungodly number of these stockpiles

654
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 4: of like let's call them vintage weapons. You know that

655
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,760
Speaker 4: there maybe aren't keeping as close a watch on anymore

656
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,439
Speaker 4: as they should, and then maybe the leaks are coming

657
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 4: from some of that as well, if not largely. I

658
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 4: would be a shu to see, like what make and

659
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 4: vintage some of these guns are? You know what I mean, Like, yeah,

660
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 4: it's not it's not this year's models. You know, it's

661
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 4: probably I bet you they're.

662
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 3: Quite old, like the ak's and the coalition of covs.

663
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 3: Coalitionon covs are a currency in some more troubled parts

664
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 3: of the world. Once again, once it gets out, you

665
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 3: can't get back in. And I would advance I'm just

666
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 3: going off the top here. I would advance the idea

667
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 3: that the US probably has messy oversight for anything handheld abroad.

668
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 3: I think it's just too difficult to watch every falling

669
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 3: belt fed sparrow.

670
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 2: Well, and we've talked about black market arms dealing is

671
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 2: a thing, and it's been a thing since arms have existed,

672
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 2: and it's not going to stop. Just how much worse

673
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: is it going to get? And is it possible to

674
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 2: I guess, get the guns at the source, which is

675
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: the factories making them. And is that a good thing

676
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 2: or a bad thing? Let us know what you think.

677
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 2: We'll tell you how to contact us at the end.

678
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 2: Here for now, we're going to take a break and

679
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 2: we'll be right back.

680
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 3: We've returned bleeped the g rides. I want the machines

681
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 3: that are making them. As our pal Zach said once

682
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 3: upon a time, We're going to end with a tiny

683
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 3: bit of hopefully good news. It's scary, but hopefully hopefully

684
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 3: it's good news. Actually, wait no, we're going to give

685
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,479
Speaker 3: you the good news story. We'll give you a couple

686
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 3: of weird ones at the end. So we talk often

687
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 3: on this show about pharmaceutical companies, about R and D stuff,

688
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 3: and you have probably heard longtime conspiracy realist, you've probably

689
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 3: heard some advertisements for various pharmaceutical products on this show. However,

690
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 3: that does not affect our reporting of these things. And

691
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 3: Matt Nol you'll remember a while back, we had gotten

692
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 3: very deep into neo nicotinoids. It was once called a

693
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 3: conspiracy theory that those things were killing bees. They are

694
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 3: very much killing bees. We also we also looked at herbicides.

695
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 3: One of the most popular herbicides is round up. Have

696
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 3: you ever used round up?

697
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 4: You guys, No, not personally, but it's certainly like it's

698
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 4: almost like xerox is synonymous with, you know, making copies,

699
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 4: you know, or coc is synonymous with soda. Roundup is

700
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 4: kind of occupies that same kind of space with pesticides.

701
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 3: That's a great point. Yeah, I love that, Like it

702
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 3: became the epononymous trademark, the word. Yeah, the so round

703
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 3: up is super popular.

704
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 2: Round up ready crops?

705
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah, Like, Matt, did you ever use round up?

706
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 2: I did not, because we talked about round up early

707
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 2: on in my having a house career. So yeah, no,

708
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,280
Speaker 2: I avoided this stuff like crazy. But it is weird

709
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,479
Speaker 2: how many similar how many products have similar chemicals in them. Yeah,

710
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 2: it's just a matter of time before we all go, oh, crap,

711
00:39:58,200 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 2: that one does it too?

712
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 3: Bum bum bump. Yeah. The German pharmaceutical giant Bear bought

713
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 3: the American agro chemical giant Monsanto back in twenty eighteen.

714
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 3: Wheels within wheels, you know, just like a pyramid, ownership

715
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 3: attenuates and conglomerates at the top. We're going to go

716
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 3: to a Washington Post article that came out January twenty seventh,

717
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, so just a few days ago as

718
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Speaker 3: you're hearing this strange news on February fifth. Shout out

719
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 3: to Francis Vanaal, who writes Bear is ordered to pay

720
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:39,240
Speaker 3: two point twenty five billion US dollars after jury links

721
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 3: the herbicide roundup to cancer. Two point twenty five billion.

722
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 3: Maybe the good guys win sometimes, maybe maybe the courts work.

723
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Speaker 3: I don't know, what do you guys think? Just off

724
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 3: that headline, it.

725
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 2: Sounds great, don't it. But but again, but again, this

726
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 2: is a huge company. That's a lot of jobs, it's

727
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 2: a lot of people. We get that we feel empathy

728
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: for those humans. I agreed, But it does seem like

729
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 2: this is something we've kind of known. And then I'm

730
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 2: going to continue one more but Ben, the science I'm

731
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 2: doing quotations here is still out, guys.

732
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the and they deserve that's those are two

733
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 3: really great points, two really great butts. And the person

734
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 3: awarded these damages. Is a guy named John mckavision, and

735
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 3: uh mckivison filed a lawsuit in Philly when he was

736
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 3: diagnosed with non Hodgkins lymphoma, and he said, this happened

737
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 3: because I used round up specifically on my property for

738
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Speaker 3: the better part of two decades. And so the jury

739
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 3: comes back and they unanimously find that round up is carcinogenic,

740
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 3: it did give this guy lymphoma non Hodgkins lymphoma, and

741
00:41:54,440 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 3: that Massanto either knew or was criminally negligent, you know,

742
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 3: like willfully ignorant about the dangers of roundup. And so

743
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 3: they say, this is the lawyers, the legal team, Tom

744
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 3: Klein and Jason Icken said, this verdict is quote a

745
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 3: condemnation of fifty years of misconduct by Monsanto, which again

746
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 3: is owned by Bear. So so would Bear have made

747
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 3: this purchase in twenty eighteen if they knew what was coming?

748
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 3: Interesting boardroom conversations, you know what I mean, off the record,

749
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 3: no phones in the room. I imagine Monzanto fires back

750
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 3: or Bear fires back, and they say, we're appealing this.

751
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 3: It's two point two five billion dollars. Obviously we're appealing this.

752
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 2: And that's a lot. That's a lot for one.

753
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 3: That's a lot for one. What about the class action,

754
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, which is surely on the way.

755
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 3: They also called the damages awarded by the court, they

756
00:42:54,960 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 3: called it quote, unconstitutionally excessive. And this reminds me that

757
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 3: was such a great setup in our in our previous

758
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 3: conversation before the break, the controversy surrounding liability of gun

759
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 3: manufacturers or firearm defense companies, things.

760
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 4: Like that, and it came immediately to mind in terms

761
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 4: of the Purdue case, where it's so rare to even

762
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 4: have any whiff of holding those types of executives or

763
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 4: the company accountable. It was only what there was clearly

764
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 4: malice and malicious and maybe not malicious, okay, well whatever,

765
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 4: No one editorialize here, but clearly an intent to ignore

766
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 4: data and push forth something that was going to cause

767
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 4: people to die with their knowledge. You know, It's different

768
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 4: with medicine though, because death is only kind of a

769
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 4: side effective medicine. Death is like the point of guns,

770
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 4: So it's sort of hard to you know what I mean, Like, ugh,

771
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 4: is the point of guns? Brother? The ultimate point is

772
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 4: death or at the very least making people do things

773
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 4: as a result of the fear of death. That this

774
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 4: sort of the end.

775
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 2: Goal of guns. The point is a hit him with

776
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 2: some bird shots so they know you're coming, and then

777
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 2: with some buck shots so they know you mean business.

778
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 3: I think also the point is death is buteedor time

779
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 3: is butet windoor, I'll be back, shut out, vego Ghostbusters?

780
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 3: Can we get an air horn?

781
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:18,439
Speaker 4: Dot?

782
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 2: Schwarzenegger snuck in there somewhere that guy was senisd there.

783
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 3: I got a lot of plot twists today, guys. I

784
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 3: actually had to listen to a lot of Schwarzenegger statements.

785
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 3: Uh for a different thing. But but this is like,

786
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 3: these are actual arguments. Another example of this. Another example

787
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 3: of this is the to your point, noal the Sackler

788
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 3: family and Purdue. However the courts end up working those

789
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 3: things out, they have still created an environment wherein dangerous

790
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 3: addictive drugs are sort of pure pressured onto patients who

791
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 3: might not need them. Like, remember, I was so confused

792
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 3: we were talking about this off air. I was so

793
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 3: confused when uh docs wet hard on the paint to

794
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 3: prescribe the oxycodone or oxy cont oxyds.

795
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 4: No, it's not content anymore. Hydro codone is classic. That's

796
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 4: like classic coke. OxyContin was like the next level up,

797
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 4: and that was what they said, wouldn't get you addicted

798
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 4: in the way that that hydro codone would. But yeah,

799
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 4: hydro codone is still okay. It has a lot of

800
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 4: tilent all in it, and so it's very commonly prescribed

801
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 4: for like things like oral surgery. But it also left unchecked,

802
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 4: and if they don't know the person has an addictive personality,

803
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 4: can very quickly lead to addiction.

804
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 2: You don't want to go fall the house of the

805
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 2: usher or whatever.

806
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 3: It was, right, Yeah, that was a great adaptation.

807
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:42,919
Speaker 4: You don't want to take that fall of the house.

808
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 4: That's a that's a deep fall, that's a false flat

809
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 4: on your face.

810
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 3: And I feel like these three examples were mentioning firearms, opioids, uh,

811
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 3: and now carcinogenic things that are just for your lawn.

812
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 4: Uh.

813
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 3: These these things show us one upling commonality. Indeed, something

814
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 3: I could argue is conspiratorial, which is the burden falls

815
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 3: upon the consumer caveat em tour As they said, there's

816
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 3: serious questions about liability for the creators of these and

817
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 3: other products, even unto of course, like food manufacturers. That's

818
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 3: a big thing we talked about pretty often over the years,

819
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 3: like the way the EU handles ingredients versus the way

820
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 3: the UK or the US handles ingredients. I mean, the

821
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 3: European Commission already got got in front of this because

822
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 3: in twenty oh, gosh, twenty twenty three now they put

823
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Speaker 3: in a ruling about the active ingredient in roundup live

824
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 3: foss eight or gly foss eight, and they said, we

825
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 3: don't think it's carcinogenic, and Canada said the same thing.

826
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 3: And Bear has a lot of money.

827
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 4: The difference, folks, that's what we have here. We don't

828
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 4: believe that this is costing a gena despite the side

829
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 4: different results. These eggheads don't know what they're talking about.

830
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 3: And I'm glad they talked. Sorry, that is exactly how

831
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 3: they talk. And four years ago, interestingly enough, Bear agreed

832
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 3: to pay a settlement in class action lawsuit tens of

833
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 3: thousands of people. Bear paid a total of ten billion

834
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 3: US dollars over allegations that round up causes wait for it,

835
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 3: non Hodgkins lymphoma. And because Bear is a very powerful,

836
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 3: big company, they did not admit wrongdoing. They just gave

837
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 3: him billion dollars away.

838
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 4: Ben, if you're hearing me chuckle every now and then,

839
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 4: is because I'm just hearing in my mind you're describing

840
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 4: a bear like bear feels very strongly about this, and

841
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 4: the bear does this, and the bear does that. In

842
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 4: my mind, it's just the culprit. Here is a giant

843
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 4: anthropomorphic bear, love it. I know that's not the case,

844
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 4: but you know, I have a very active imagination. My

845
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 4: mommy told me right to bear arms.

846
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 3: You know. That's what I was trying not to bring

847
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 3: that up during our very serious conversation exactly.

848
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 2: About the weapon.

849
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 3: Straight.

850
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean everyone has a right to bare arms.

851
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 4: All you got to do is lift, bro, you lift

852
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 4: get those bare arms.

853
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. By some fur so Bear also be a ye er.

854
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 3: In their most recent annual report to investors, they were

855
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 3: required to state that they have thirty one separate lawsuits

856
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 3: in Canada related to Roundup. Eleven of those thirty one

857
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 3: lawsuits are looking to become class action lawsuits. Bear is

858
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 3: Bear and Monsanto round Up. Those brands are in trouble.

859
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 3: We don't know how, we don't know how far this

860
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 3: will go. And obviously, Matt, I think we can all

861
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 3: agree with the point you raised earlier. So astutely, we're

862
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Speaker 3: not saying these companies are filled with evil, villainous monsters.

863
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Speaker 3: A lot of people make a good living there and

864
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Speaker 3: they're definitely not waking up every morning saying I hope

865
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Speaker 3: I give someone lymphoma.

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Speaker 2: They probably don't believe that it causes lymphoma. And I

867
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Speaker 2: think that's just a part of being in that position,

868
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 2: you know, especially like people were putting together the chemicals,

869
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 2: people who are packaging these things like you cannot believe.

870
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 2: I think there's that's that cognitive dissonance kind of thing,

871
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 2: where like even if someone showed you, hey, this definitely

872
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 2: causes cancer. But yeah, but this also puts like allows

873
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Speaker 2: me to feed my family. It's a weird thing.

874
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 3: And they're like, your family stinks.

875
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 4: Though it's similar to what happened with Perdue, where it's well,

876
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 4: that's not what our scientists say, you know what I mean?

877
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 4: You know, and again no shade on scientists, but we

878
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 4: know a lot of the folks that end up getting

879
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 4: those jobs working with these big companies come from regulatory backgrounds.

880
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 4: They know how to kind of twist the numbers a

881
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 4: little bit maybe, And again I'm not trying to malign

882
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 4: scientists are saying that there are people out there doing

883
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 4: quote unquote bad science.

884
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 3: This just no Brown hates scientists anti.

885
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 4: Science because I have a real agenda. But no, we

886
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 4: know that you can, by virtue of limiting the scope

887
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 4: of research kind of get the results you want. You're

888
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 4: doing the thing that you're doing.

889
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 3: You know, not too long ago, R. J. Reynolds supported

890
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 3: studies where they found some doctor who is like, actually,

891
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 3: smoking cigarettes is great for your respiratory, for breathing, it's

892
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 3: like refreshing.

893
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 4: It's the best if we're when there is all this

894
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 4: talk about how the reason people in France didn't get

895
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 4: COVID is because they smoked so many cigarettes.

896
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah yeah.

897
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, you know, causality or whatever, without causation,

898
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 4: never mind, there's different ways of looking at this stuff

899
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 4: where you can definitely be like, that's the thing. See,

900
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 4: that's the thing that did it. It was this, and

901
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 4: we like that because it's our thing, you know.

902
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 3: Correlation the causation, Yeah, thank you, thank you.

903
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,399
Speaker 2: It just as an aside, speaking that shit think true.

904
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 2: A little while ago we talked about these things med beds, right,

905
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 2: and I fear so much shade and all this stuff,

906
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 2: and it made a video put out there's so much shade.

907
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 2: Then there really is new research coming out talking about

908
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 2: resonances and cellular destruction and like ways to target like

909
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 2: hyper targeting part of the like a tumor that's inside

910
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 2: a brain, and then be able to actually use again

911
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 2: different type of vibrations than sitting on a bed and

912
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 2: someone you know too good good ones presumably right, good

913
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 2: playing vibrations, yeah, but just playing some tones near you,

914
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 2: but using using just vibrational tones to do things like

915
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 2: cure cancer or at least remove a tumor.

916
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 3: Didn't we talk about do we not?

917
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 4: We may have talked about me if we danced around

918
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 4: a little bit. But I think Matts saying that he's

919
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 4: been seeing some new stuff that kisses even further into

920
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 4: the realms of possibility, but.

921
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 2: Just saying how quickly our belief can potentially be shifted

922
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 2: if we're willing to take in evidence, right.

923
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 4: And if we have skin in the game, especially you know,

924
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 4: if it's like, oh, this might apply to my nana,

925
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 4: you know, I want to believe right.

926
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 3: It's also, yeah, you always have to hear things out

927
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 3: in science, and sometimes people perhaps incorrectly misidentify themselves as skeptics,

928
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 3: and what they're practicing instead is not open inquiry. What

929
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 3: they're practicing is a kind of zealousness and over stubbornness

930
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 3: at the very least sure, and that way it becomes

931
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 3: another fundamentalist ideology, and just as dangerous as any other

932
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 3: fundamentalist ideology, I would argue. And that's just one entity's opinion.

933
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 3: But what we can see now is that you probably

934
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 3: shouldn't use a ton of a ton of things if

935
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 3: you just to be safe. If you hear something in

936
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 3: the wind like this might cause this specific thing, and

937
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 3: a lot of people want to court for it, then

938
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 3: it's a personal choice, but very likely.

939
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 4: It's up to you absolutely. But that's why I did

940
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 4: want to bring up the lead in Stanley cups things,

941
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 4: because I think it's so easy for someone to read

942
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 4: that headline and immediately be like, oh, lead and Stanley

943
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 4: cub is gonna kill us all, And not to say that.

944
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 4: Maybe there won't be more retaith that comes out that

945
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 4: says the levels are beyond allowable or they're not good.

946
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 4: But you should think about more, like you know, the

947
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 4: big picture before you make those decisions. That's the opposite

948
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 4: side of it.

949
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 2: You're right. I want to talk about how frustrated it

950
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 2: is that things like round up are bad because it

951
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:24,439
Speaker 2: seems like such a beautiful miracle substance for someone who's

952
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 2: borderline OCD like me when I look out at my

953
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 2: grass and I go look at all these stinking weeds everywhere,

954
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 2: and now I can't spray them with anything. I gotta

955
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 2: go out and pick them one by one out from

956
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 2: the root.

957
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 4: I believe al Gore would call that an inconvenient truth.

958
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 3: And here we wrap it up. I want to hear

959
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 3: from people who have worked in this industry, would love

960
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 3: to hear your take on these products, like are there

961
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 3: safe herbicides? Are there safe pesticides? What do you think

962
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 3: more of your fellow conspiracy realists need to know. Also,

963
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 3: I want to give a quick shout out to Elmo,

964
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 3: thank you for the mental health check in earlier. Yeah,

965
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 3: a lot of angst in Western society.

966
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 4: Wait wait, people were I just want to say the headlause.

967
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 4: I love this term trauma dumping on Elmo because on

968
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 4: the social media account for I guess sm street, Almo

969
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 4: wanted to know how everyone was doing, and apparently not

970
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 4: super well.

971
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Elmo did respond just as we were going

972
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 3: into record today. You can find a great article about

973
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 3: the whole debacle on the BBC shout out to the

974
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 3: journalist nor Nanji. You can also find out on XFK Twitter.

975
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 3: One last shoutout, guys, we have to say congratulations and

976
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:46,720
Speaker 3: good luck to Crystal Gable, who is non consensually running

977
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 3: for president in Minnesota. She got a Google alert that

978
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 3: told her she's on the primary ballot for the presidency

979
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 3: in Minnesota, and according to reporting, she cannot get off

980
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 3: the ballot. She does not want to be potus. What

981
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 3: we don't know. We know that she spoke with the

982
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 3: Star Tribute and said, quote, I did not give consent

983
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Speaker 3: to be on the Minnesota ballot for this race.

984
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 4: Is this a public figure at all? Or is this

985
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 4: just like a clerical error because of a mistaken connection

986
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 4: with a name.

987
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 3: It definitely is not if conspiracy it is. It is

988
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 3: not a conspiracy that she was in on. So let

989
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,720
Speaker 3: us know the times you've accidentally run for office, folks,

990
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:30,399
Speaker 3: What a.

991
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 4: Great plot for sort of a comedy, sort of satire.

992
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 4: Someone's name accidentally ends up on the ballot and they

993
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,240
Speaker 4: win because all the other candidates are that garbage.

994
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 3: The Eddie Murphy, the Eddie Murphy vehicle.

995
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised if this had been done. You're

996
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 4: talking about Bowfinger or.

997
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 3: No, it's earlier in that he goes into Congress based

998
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 3: on name recognition, and spoiler, he ends up doing the

999
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:56,399
Speaker 3: right thing because it's a wholesome comedy. We can't wait

1000
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,919
Speaker 3: to hear your thoughts, folks. Thanks as always for joining us.

1001
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 3: We'll be back later this week with a lot of

1002
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 3: strange things and some stuff they don't want you to know.

1003
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Speaker 3: In the meantime, join up with us. We'd love to

1004
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 3: hear from you. We try to be easy to find online.

1005
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 4: That's right. You can find it to the handle Conspiracy

1006
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:17,760
Speaker 4: Stuff where we exist on Facebook, YouTube and x FKA Twitter.

1007
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 4: You can also find it in the handle Conspiracy Stuff

1008
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 4: show on Instagram and take any talk feeling down run

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Speaker 4: to do w ride.

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Speaker 2: I'll stop now.

1012
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 4: That was a thanks for checking in.

1013
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 2: Just you know, why don't you check in with us too.

1014
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Speaker 2: We're a lot like Elmo. The number is one A

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Speaker 2: three three std W I t K. It's a voicemail system.

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Speaker 2: You got three minutes and let us know if we

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Speaker 2: think that's it. What wait, what if people want to

1019
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Speaker 2: send us an email.

1020
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Speaker 3: touch space at our good old fashioned email address. Twenty

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Speaker 3: every missive we get. Take us to the edge of

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Speaker 3: the rabbit hole. We'll do the rest. Conspiracy at iHeartRadio

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