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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Almost Famous podcast. I'm here, and

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Speaker 2: I'm here with an incredible co host. She's a special guest,

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Speaker 2: a friend of the podcast, been on so many times

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Speaker 2: that I can't even count, And the star of this

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Speaker 2: recent season of The Perfect Match, Rachel Rekia, was with

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Speaker 2: me today. Hello Rachel, Hi Ben.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I would say star star, especially

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Speaker 3: with the entrance I had.

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Speaker 2: You're a star. You're a very big star on the show.

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Speaker 2: You are a reason that people tuned in and watched.

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Speaker 2: You are a reason, if not the reason that we're

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Speaker 2: even talking about it here on the Almost Famous podcast.

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Speaker 2: So millions a free press coming to Perfect Match based

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Speaker 2: on you being a part of the show.

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Speaker 3: I know, me and Clayton are really just bringing in

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Speaker 3: the masses. Yeah, and everyone who's not a part of

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Speaker 3: atchination gets to now know about that. So now more

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Speaker 3: of the world can go look up the rest ceremony

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Speaker 3: from hell on you two and be a part of

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Speaker 3: it with us. So that's exciting.

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Speaker 2: We did take a break from breaking down Perfect Match.

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Speaker 2: We had some huge Bachelor news coming in along with

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Speaker 2: obviously summer travels, So when I was in Italy, I

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Speaker 2: finished the perfect match and then got back and we

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Speaker 2: plan on today to kind of recap from episode five

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Speaker 2: to the end of the season with you, Rachel. But

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Speaker 2: before we get going, there has been some big news

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Speaker 2: in Bachelor Nation. We have a new bachelorette announced. Taylor

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Speaker 2: Frankie Paul was announced last week as the upcoming season's bachelorette.

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Speaker 2: We'd love to get your reactions, your thoughts, your opinions.

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Speaker 3: I was shocked, right, It's so crazy. They never like

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Speaker 3: have done anything like this before. Obviously so happy for her,

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Speaker 3: like I think she's going to give us a great season.

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Speaker 3: But it's just funny because I feel like as people

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Speaker 3: who are in the Bachelor world and as people who

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Speaker 3: are chosen to be leads, it's like, I feel like

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Speaker 3: we have this standard to live up to in this

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Speaker 3: there like that she isn't perfect. So it'll be interesting

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Speaker 3: how the world reacts going in already knowing that versus

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Speaker 3: like watching us fall from grace during the season. But

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Speaker 3: yeh know, it'll be interesting. I think especially like where

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Speaker 3: are they going to be filming it? Like are the

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Speaker 3: kids going to be involved? I'm excited to see all

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Speaker 2: Do you think Bachelor Nation is going to receive for

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Speaker 2: Will I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I hope so, but it just feels like for us

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Speaker 3: or I don't know how you feel. Everyone I've talked

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Speaker 3: of Perfect Match, where I think contestants on those shows

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Speaker 3: like have more freedom to themselves. Bachelor people feel so

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Speaker 3: like under pressure to constantly be perfect. I don't know

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Speaker 2: I mean my tagline for the season was the perfect Ben,

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Speaker 2: So yes, I think I did feel that pressure.

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Speaker 3: So it'll be interesting because I feel like some of

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Speaker 2: It's been a very polarizing announcement based on Taylor's past,

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Speaker 2: her decision making, obviously her you know record. I am

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Speaker 2: intrigued to watch it from Afar to see how Bachelor

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Speaker 2: I do think for her sake, there is a benefit

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Speaker 2: because she won't have to kind of have those dark

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Speaker 2: being like what am I doing?

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Speaker 2: Why did I do that? She can kind of be free,

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Speaker 2: But I'd love to get your advice, bachelorette to bachelorette

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Speaker 3: I mean I always say this, but I'm not the

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Speaker 3: I guess the only thing is, like I'm interested to

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Speaker 3: I feel like that was such a moment to connect

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Speaker 3: So it'll be interesting because in a lot of ways,

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Speaker 3: these guys do have to step up for her. I mean,

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Speaker 3: She has things that she's not going to change, so

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you think she will. I think it's going to

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Speaker 2: be really hard for her too, You think so, I do.

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Speaker 2: She doesn't get it. I mean, I think that is

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Speaker 2: get it. It's just the truth. She doesn't understand this

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Speaker 2: and relatability, because there is this initial when you're the lead.

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Speaker 2: I understand why you're saying weird stuff. I understand why

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Speaker 3: And like, I mean, I'm sure in her real life

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Speaker 3: It'll be so interesting to watch from that point of

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Speaker 2: It will be a good season. I feel personally like

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Speaker 2: it was the Bachelor trying to hit a home run,

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Speaker 2: and if the home run falls short, I am going

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Speaker 2: to be very intrigued with how they move forward from

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Speaker 2: we do have the perfect match to break down. We're

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Speaker 2: going to start with episode five. Rachel, you lived it,

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Speaker 3: I was there, and I'm trying to look up like, wait,

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Speaker 2: So it starts with Sandy bringing in her ex from

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Speaker 2: the ultimatum JR. JR. Kind of then has it consistent

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Speaker 2: But this is the first time we get to know JR. Rachel,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to put you on the spot here

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Speaker 3: I think, I mean JR. When he first came in,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, there's no like. He doesn't slow roll this

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Speaker 3: He's zero to one hundred.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it probably mean he is a

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Speaker 2: very beautiful man. I'm sure it works for him. I

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Speaker 2: but I'm sure it works for you know, a good

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Speaker 3: And yeah, because Jar's been married actually yeah, yeah, so

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Speaker 3: He's a character.

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Speaker 2: Was there ever a moment that I'm going to try

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Speaker 2: to pull out during this breakdown? Because we do have

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Speaker 2: Ad would jump ship and move on?

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Speaker 3: So it's really really hard looking back now because Ad

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Speaker 2: Way and they're still together.

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Speaker 3: Right, They're still together and they're engaged, Like their love

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Speaker 3: Big twist, yes, and a necessary one.

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Speaker 3: I think the producers, because for I don't know, the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it does seem like and it's the beauty of

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Speaker 3: I just feel like, for me, I know it's possible

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Speaker 2: They got to go to the pool, no way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, with the handler, they got to go to the pool,

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Speaker 2: Goodness, that's smart. Yeah. That was one of my favorite times.

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Speaker 2: When I was a contestant on The Bachelor at Nick

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Speaker 3: This is so nice, right, it's like ani vacation.

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Speaker 2: you love this dude, you like this dude at this

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00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 2: point and You're just being forced to leave based on

439
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 2: somebody else's decision, not any decision that the couple has made, And.

440
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,239
Speaker 3: We didn't know at the time if or when they

441
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 3: were coming back. Yeah, we were like, it could have

442
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 3: been a week, we could have recoupled and had challenges

443
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,640
Speaker 3: with the new people, so we didn't know how long

444
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,919
Speaker 3: it would be gone. It was. It was tough.

445
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,920
Speaker 2: But Oli goes on a date with Justine from Love

446
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 2: Island and Olivia from Temptation Island. Madison goes on a

447
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 2: date with Jalen from Too Hot to Handle, and this

448
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 2: is where we get introduced to Ray from Love Island.

449
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 2: I can't tell Rachel watching it if it is just

450
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 2: the way the camera and the team works it. But

451
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 2: these dates always seem to go pretty well. We didn't

452
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 2: really have a date this season where I'm like, oh,

453
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 2: this isn't obvious, not gonna work out kind of scenario.

454
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 2: I was on edge every date that they might stay

455
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:26,199
Speaker 2: with these people.

456
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 3: I know, I think, I mean, it's so much fun

457
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 3: and everyone wanted to give the people coming in a

458
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 3: chance a good time. But I think there is an

459
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 3: element of course, of like making it look like they're

460
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 3: not gonna go back to their original partner. But yeah,

461
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:48,439
Speaker 3: the dates with Madison and Ollie for sure looked like

462
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 3: they could have been swayed.

463
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Speaker 2: When everybody comes back to the house, give us kind

464
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 2: of a sneak peek at what this is like when

465
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 2: you have new people in turn. Especially in this moment,

466
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 2: it does seem to go I don't know if it

467
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 2: was directly related, but it does seem to cause chaos

468
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 2: during this episode and a lot of emotions from a

469
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 2: lot of people because there are new people coming in.

470
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,400
Speaker 2: We're getting further along in this season. Some of your

471
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 2: best friends have just been sent home. I mean, we

472
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 2: see tears from Sandy here, we see tears from Lucy here.

473
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 2: Is that just part of the new people coming in

474
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 2: or is just what's.

475
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 3: Happening like when they first left.

476
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well they all come back to the villa. All

477
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 2: the new people come back to the villa. Lucy and

478
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 2: Daniel's situation is a little different because he says she's oh,

479
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:42,679
Speaker 2: because I was.

480
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 3: Gonna say they got in a fight that night. They

481
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:45,919
Speaker 3: got That's why she was crying.

482
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 2: Yes, And then Louis is kind of on edge because

483
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 2: of Sandy flirting, I think, and then Sandy gets upset

484
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Speaker 2: about this.

485
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that night with the tears, I think those

486
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 3: recoupling everyone was very on edge. Always as far as

487
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 3: Lucy and Daniel. Daniel would try to fight with Lucy

488
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 3: every single day and I think she cried majority of

489
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 3: the time, which is so so sad. But with Sandy

490
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,479
Speaker 3: and Louie that night, I think they always had an

491
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 3: interesting dynamic where I think they would both flirt with

492
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 3: other people to get each other jealous, and it was

493
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 3: just something that they did. And I think that night

494
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 3: Sandy was like, you know, you've been on this date

495
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 3: with Alex and you have had your time to explore,

496
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 3: so I'm going to talk to Jalen, and you know,

497
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 3: he just got angry. I think she was quurting. But

498
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 3: never that night was there a second where I thought

499
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 3: Sandy would switch over to Jalen.

500
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:45,479
Speaker 2: You never thought that.

501
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 3: No. I think eventually, like down the road she was like,

502
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,959
Speaker 3: oh he is attractive, like you know, things like that,

503
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 3: But in that moment she was so locked in with

504
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 3: Louie and I don't think there was a chance.

505
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 2: Now helped me rem member here, it's been a week

506
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 2: and a half. Yes, this evening, you still matched with

507
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 2: Scott Lay was obviously there. He goes home with Olivia,

508
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 2: Alie matches with Justine. At this moment, we feel like

509
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 2: new couples are forming. But you stayed with Scott.

510
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 3: Why so at the time, Well, I actually didn't speak

511
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 3: to Ray that night. I didn't talk to him aut all.

512
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 3: I did talk to Jalen. It's funny because I did

513
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 3: watch it back and it looked like I was like

514
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 3: trying to flirt with Jalen. And it's so funny because

515
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 3: I sat down with him and immediately I was like, oh,

516
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 3: just so you know, like I'm going to match with

517
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 3: Scott tonight, like we're hitting it off. But I think

518
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 3: at the time I really did like Scott actually, which

519
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 3: is funny. He was so different from anyone who've ever dated,

520
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 3: and I wanted to give it a chance to see

521
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 3: if it worked. I didn't want to just switch the

522
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 3: first week, and I didn't go on a date or anything.

523
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 3: I didn't know Jalen or so I was liking where

524
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 3: things were. What's gone.

525
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 2: Actually, this is the first episode, the full episode where

526
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 2: Clayton isn't involved at all. Yes, that obviously becomes Rachel.

527
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 2: I think we talked about this. I think I even

528
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 2: made a joke to you. I'm sorry that I did this.

529
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 2: I said, this isn't going to happen, right, and you

530
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 2: like stop and I was like, gosh, dang it. Okay,

531
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 2: but you.

532
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 3: Knew I would do that, Like, let's not be surprised

533
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 3: that I made a bad decision. I always make a

534
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 3: bad decision.

535
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think I was just hopeful you know me

536
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 2: better than that lessons have been learned, But I guess

537
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 2: I guess they have learned them now. Yeah, could just

538
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 2: wait till next season when you get caught into a

539
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 2: new show.

540
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 3: And he's back again.

541
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 2: He's back. What is it about Clayton that draws you in?

542
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 3: Okay? I know that people think it's like I'm obsessed

543
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 3: with him, but I think it really was in this situation.

544
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 3: I think the fact that I've always thought that he

545
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 3: made a mistake, and I've always felt this like unfinished,

546
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 3: like not having any closure with him really, and then

547
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 3: being in this environment it's exactly like how we met.

548
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 3: There's like a camera in our face. It feels so familiar,

549
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 3: and he was the only person there I knew, like

550
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 3: I didn't know anyone else there, so it just felt

551
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 3: like something familiar and It wasn't like I'm like, oh

552
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 3: my god, let's get married right now. I was just

553
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 3: open to seeing what happened. And then I just got

554
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 3: pissed at him because I'm like, you're the one person

555
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 3: I can trust, and you did this on purpose. I

556
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 3: thought he was doing it on purpose to hurt me.

557
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 3: So that's kind of why it happened.

558
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: So was there actually a chance when we did the

559
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 2: almost famous event in Pebble Beach, like a few months

560
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 2: after your first time, well, you guys hadn't really spoken

561
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: since he you know, said goodbye to the first time.

562
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 2: Was there actually cause I always took that. I mean

563
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 2: I was there. We were like filming a commercial outside.

564
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: You guys were inside. I remember being like, that's just funny.

565
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 2: They're just flirting and this is not going to be

566
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 2: a thing. But now I could have been wrong, like

567
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 2: you were looking at it being like, no, maybe this

568
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 2: could be a thing again.

569
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 3: I think that time was mostly that was the first

570
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 3: time we've seen each other since AFR and since I

571
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 3: had been a lead, and so I think seeing him

572
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 3: that day was really just being like, okay, I understand

573
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 3: kind of where you were coming from, and being able

574
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 3: to actually get to a place to be like, okay,

575
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 3: we're good and so I feel like that day or

576
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 3: that time, it was more of us just being like okay,

577
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 3: like we're in a really really good place now, but

578
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 3: of course, like you know, who knows, and now we know.

579
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, now we know. Goodness.

580
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 4: Hey h Jenna Ashkwitz.

581
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 5: And Kevin McHale, hosts of And That's What You Really

582
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Speaker 5: Miss podcasts.

583
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 4: You joined us as we relive the magic of McKinley

584
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 4: High by watching all six seasons of Glee, and now

585
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 4: we're keeping the music.

586
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 5: Going, but this time we're stepping outside the choir room

587
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 5: and diving into some of the most iconic musicals ever.

588
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 4: Think Rocky, Horror Picture Show, Grease, Hairspray, West Side Story,

589
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 4: Moulin Rouge, Wicked, and of course, high school Musical.

590
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 5: We'll also celebrate unforgettable musical TV projects like Smash, Nashville,

591
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 5: Crazy Ex Girlfriend, plus those surprise musical episodes of shows

592
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 5: you already love, like Grey's Anatomy, Riverdale, and The Flash.

593
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 5: And don't worry, we'll still have plenty of Glee surprizes

594
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Speaker 5: along the way.

595
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Speaker 4: So if you're a fan of musicals on the big

596
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Speaker 4: screen or on TV, or anywhere in between. Join us

597
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Speaker 4: every week as we break down the songs, the stories,

598
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 4: and the magic that made us fall in love with

599
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 4: musicals in the first place.

600
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Speaker 5: Listen to and That's What You Really Miss podcasts on

601
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Speaker 5: the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

602
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 2: All Right, So he apologizes to you on episode five. Uh,

603
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: I know that you've talked about this a ton. Did

604
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 2: that apology feel like? You're? Kind of being on these

605
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: shows is so weird because you live episode by episode.

606
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 2: You're talking and doing interviews episode by episode, and so

607
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 2: when you guys split apart or when he says no

608
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 2: more to you, you know you're upset. But then we

609
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 2: see in this episode he apologizes and it feels like

610
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 2: there's some reconciliation and healing. Was there or are you

611
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 2: still fuming?

612
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously I was embarrassed. I don't know if

613
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 3: I was.

614
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, why were you embarrassed?

615
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 3: Because I think that was this moment or like that

616
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 3: moment the night before that was what everyone wanted me

617
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 3: to do the first time, right, like no and walk

618
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 3: away like you don't get to do this to me?

619
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 3: And I knew that moment was like in front of

620
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 3: me to have and I chose to not do it,

621
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 3: to give it a chance, and then he did the

622
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 3: same thing. So it was like, oh, like, it was

623
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 3: just embarrassing that I thought that he wouldn't do that again,

624
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 3: and just thinking about what the world would say and

625
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 3: what my family and friends would say, but you would say,

626
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 3: just like knowing people would be disappointed in me, that

627
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 3: was mainly it. And then I had the night to

628
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 3: sleep on it. I'd gone on my date and realized like, okay,

629
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 3: like it was just embarrassment. It's not coming from a

630
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,719
Speaker 3: place of like hatred or anything like that. So we

631
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 3: did say I'm sorry to one another and moved on

632
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 3: for the time. Obviously, since that we've had a bit

633
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 3: of a tiff. But yeah, at the time, it felt

634
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 3: like we were like, okay, worse by We're good.

635
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 2: I feel like you have every right to be tiffing

636
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 2: with him. I think he should be crawling back to

637
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 2: you being like I am so sorry that I did

638
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 2: this again.

639
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, Clayton, he's not here, yeah.

640
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 2: And well so yeah, so why in the world did

641
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 2: you think it was going to be a different kid?

642
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 3: I don't know.

643
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad that you can move on. We see

644
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 2: him leave the house. It feels like a closure moment

645
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 2: for you. Even though Clayton pops up again this season.

646
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 2: He shows up, I was worried. I was watching, and

647
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 2: I was worried.

648
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 3: We'ren't worried. I barely talked to him that day when

649
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 3: he came back.

650
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 2: I know. I was excited for you. We're growing here,

651
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 2: we're learning as we go. But this jumps us into

652
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 2: episode seven where we're told that the men are going

653
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 2: to go hang out with the single women. The single

654
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 2: women are going to come hang out, or the single

655
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: men are going to come hang out with you all.

656
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 2: I think this is a great twist for so many

657
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 2: reasons on a show like this, I love every second

658
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 2: of this. It's funny to me how once you get

659
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 2: used to cameras being around, how comfortable you get, and

660
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 2: also that you think that you can do whatever you

661
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 2: want to do and your partner, I'm not going to

662
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 2: say spouse, because I think that would be a bigger issue,

663
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 2: but your partner won't ever find out. And it seems

664
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 2: like the men really jumped into that mindset of I

665
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 2: can have fun and do whatever, and these women will

666
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 2: never find out, even though it's being filmed and at

667
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 2: some point you're gonna have to watch it back.

668
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 3: It's so funny too, because we to this day talk

669
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 3: about it for the people listening in. AD was at

670
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 3: this mixer with the boys, so I would like to

671
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 3: know what they would have done if AD wasn't there,

672
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 3: because they knew AD was going to come back and

673
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 3: tell us everything. Sure, and the behavior that I witnessed

674
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 3: watching that back was worse than when I was just

675
00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 3: hearing it firsthand. So yeah, you're so right. It was

676
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 3: actually insane that some of those guys thought that we

677
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 3: would never find out. But when I watched that, I

678
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 3: like to think, I'm like, oh, we're thinking about it

679
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 3: from a point of view, like oh, when they watch

680
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 3: back with their partner. But I think those guys knew

681
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 3: that they weren't going to be with their partners after this.

682
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,720
Speaker 3: I don't think they have that longevity mindset that we have. Yeah,

683
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 3: so they just wanted to have fun, I think, yeah.

684
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 2: And I mean the girls, you guys did. I mean

685
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 2: it was very tame, right.

686
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean the girls were playing patty Cake. We

687
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 3: actually I think we barely were drinking. I took advantage

688
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 3: of it to get to know people, just because I

689
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 3: was newer and I didn't know some of the guys.

690
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 3: But I mean, no one kissed anyone. It was so

691
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 3: tame on our side. But that's you know how it

692
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 3: is with girls. I feel like we're so loyal.

693
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I was going to ask, like some

694
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 2: people watch these shows for the social experiment. I mean,

695
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 2: there are college courses built around the back and abound

696
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 2: reality television. I feel like we're like coming close into

697
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: stereotyping men and women. But I think if you do

698
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 2: bring an experiment out like this one, you see the

699
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 2: behavior that's probably going to occur, which is the men

700
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: feel like they're on a bachelor party without any guardrails,

701
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 2: and the women are like, I just wish my partner

702
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 2: was still here with me having so much fun.

703
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 3: I know. And you even look at like that season

704
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 3: of Paradise where they did a similar switch separated the

705
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 3: guys and girls, or Love Island when they separate, it's

706
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 3: always the men that ended up switching, which is so interesting, right. Yeah,

707
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 3: But yeah, like you said, you can stereotype it at

708
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 3: this point, it happens so much.

709
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 2: It happens so much. We're seeing it over and over again.

710
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: It was I mean, it looked like the guys are

711
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 2: having a lot of fun. Give it that. For what

712
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 2: they were wanting, they were able to accomplish it. They

713
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 2: were for whatever reason, I feel like licking thighs. Licking thighs.

714
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it was wild up in the boys party.

715
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 2: I've never like heard of like thigh licking as a

716
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 2: mixer party trick, but it seems to be what when

717
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 2: we saw episode one, we see it here now at

718
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 2: remind me, was this when you started talking to Ray again?

719
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 3: So this is where I basically met Ray. Okay, I

720
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 3: met Ray, Carrington and Cody for the first time, so well,

721
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 3: yeah basically, so yeah, that's where you get introduced to him.

722
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 2: You get introduced to him. What is it about Ray

723
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 2: at that moment above, Like, because you could have switched

724
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: to Carrington obviously, this is your moment to kind of

725
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 2: jump around a little bit. What it was it about

726
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 2: Ray that stood out to you?

727
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 3: I think in the it just felt like Ray wasn't

728
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 3: trying to get into the house. It was very friendly.

729
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 3: He was so easy to talk to. Not saying that

730
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 3: Cody and Carrington weren't, but they were definitely a little

731
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 3: more like flirty and forward, whereas I feel like with Ray,

732
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 3: it was so friendly and it felt like he wanted

733
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 3: to just get to know me, and it was just

734
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 3: really easy with him. So it just felt like he

735
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 3: was there for the right reasons, you know, like he

736
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 3: wasn't trying to just get into the house.

737
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 2: Well, we quickly see the transition to this whole like

738
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 2: reuniting party, the mixer that everybody gets to be a

739
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 2: part of. This is where we see kind of the

740
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 2: conversations spark up between Ady and Ali about him matching

741
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 2: with somebody else. We also start to hear, well Lucy

742
00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 2: gets familiar with Daniel's behavior at the mixer. I personally

743
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 2: felt like Ady and Ali this was kind of every

744
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 2: couple needs that really tough moment, and this was their

745
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 2: really tough moment. Either they were going to make it

746
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 2: through it and be stronger for it, or they were

747
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 2: going to be done. And I think a show like

748
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 2: this it sets you up for so many opportunities to

749
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 2: have these kind of moments, which it kind of like

750
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 2: you said, Sandy and Louie continue to have. It feels

751
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 2: like every time a new person comes into the house

752
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,720
Speaker 2: and they just kind of enjoy that aspect, but Adie

753
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 2: and Ali felt so strong that this could have broken

754
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 2: them because they're like, no, you're not the type of

755
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: person I want to be with. But they make it through.

756
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 2: Lucy and Daniel make it through. Was there ever a

757
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 2: moment that you thought either of these couples would not

758
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 2: stay together?

759
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 3: Aidi and Alie I knew would go back to each other.

760
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 3: It just felt like they were the strongest couple in

761
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 3: the house. And I feel like there's always that one

762
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 3: couple that's like, you just know that they're going to

763
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 3: make it, and so I think Allie was I mean,

764
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 3: I think he was just trying to give the respect

765
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 3: that Justine deserved and wanted to be open to the

766
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 3: process of the show. Obviously, it sucks that they kiss

767
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 3: and that eighty found out and that she had to

768
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 3: find out through Justine, Like that's horrible, But I was

769
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 3: so happy that they were able to get over all

770
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 3: that and come together. Lucy and Daniel, I feel like

771
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 3: that was more. It was sad to watch, just because

772
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 3: I feel like Lucy didn't have anyone else she was

773
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 3: interested in, So if it wasn't Daniel, she would have

774
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 3: probably just went home. So it's difficult because of course

775
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 3: I would have liked her to tell him no and rematch,

776
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 3: but like with who, I just can't look back and

777
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:47,720
Speaker 3: think that there would have been anyone else.

778
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had never felt like she out of anybody.

779
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 2: I think that's why she got set up on so

780
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 2: few dates or any date she went on zero, because

781
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 2: it's like, I don't see her with anybody else.

782
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 3: You would just fight her if she laughed too out

783
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 3: Like I don't know if you saw that night when

784
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 3: Ray came in, they got in a fight because Lucy

785
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 3: was laughing and that isn't even exaggeration, Like it was

786
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 3: like that the whole time. So it was difficult to

787
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 3: watch her go back.

788
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,959
Speaker 2: Do you think it was because he was so into

789
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 2: her that he was insecure that she would move on

790
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 2: or No.

791
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 3: I think the boys they were very very close and

792
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 3: they would rile each other up, and I think no

793
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 3: one wanted to be embarrassed in front of their boys,

794
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 3: and so if someone's girl was flirting or doing something,

795
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 3: they just didn't want to be embarrassed. I think that's

796
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 3: what it was, more than them caring about the women.

797
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that first kissing challenge we see kind

798
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 2: of his reaction to it. On a show like this,

799
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 2: when I get to talk to the who i've is

800
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 2: going to be the next Bachelor, I don't have a

801
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: lot of advice to give, but I just try to

802
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 2: set up expectations and the mindset and what could be happening.

803
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: So on a show like this, I'm sure you look

804
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 2: back now and if somebody were to call you and say, hey,

805
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 2: I'm going on the Perfect Match next season, how should

806
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 2: I be viewing this? Should it just be more lighthearted

807
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 2: and loose and be And if you're especially if you're

808
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 2: a guy, like, hey, your girl is going to do

809
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 2: some wild stuff, but she'll probably come back to you,

810
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 2: or you hope she does.

811
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 3: I don't even think the girls do anything wild. I

812
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 3: would just say it's definitely more lighthearted. They even if

813
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 3: there are heavy moments, a lot of those were taken out.

814
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 3: There were a lot more moments that they could have

815
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 3: aired if they wanted to be dramatic. They don't want that.

816
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 3: They want funny and fun. So I would tell anyone

817
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 3: to just go in and I would say, really, just

818
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 3: keep your options open. I want to see next season

819
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 3: have a bunch of rematches and coming back together, and

820
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 3: I want to see people explore more. So that's what

821
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 3: I would say.

822
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 2: Well, we do see Scott exploring more. He matches with Juliette.

823
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 2: During this episode, Freddy and Madison get back together. Not

824
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 2: a shock there. Probably the most unexpected couple for me.

825
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 3: I know, right, they were a great couple, though there's

826
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 3: been so much talk online. I think just because people

827
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 3: have watched Love Is Blind before and just had an

828
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 3: idea of Madison. But I went in not knowing either

829
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 3: of them, and they were such a good couple, so

830
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 3: unexpected to the viewers. But like in person, they were

831
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 3: like in a little love bubble, they were solid.

832
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 2: Let's actually do this now. If you could give me

833
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 2: like one word or just a few words to describe

834
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 2: each couple at this point, I think that would give

835
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,240
Speaker 2: a viewers or the listeners a little understanding. So Scott

836
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 2: and Juliette.

837
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 3: Will start with them game players.

838
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 2: Freddy and Madison married, Lucy and Daniel.

839
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 3: Toxic and Ray the best. No, I'd say like friends.

840
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 3: We were like friends, Louis and Sandy, Sexy.

841
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 2: Eighty and Ali soulmates. We do see eighty and Ali

842
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: getting a little fight before bed. It doesn't look good,

843
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 2: but it does feel like they have the strength to reconcile.

844
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 2: And as you said, I think soulmates have that right.

845
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 2: Arguments are part of relationships, but it's how you come together.

846
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 2: So we now see you Rachel with Ray. This starts

847
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 2: to episode nine with the Final Compatibility Challenge. Each couple

848
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: has to complete a group of tasks, and each person

849
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 2: has to do fifty percent of the tasks a tire change,

850
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 2: there's a mystery buffet where you have to dive through

851
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff, a cold plunge, and a pyramid puzzle.

852
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 2: The winners get to go on a date and a

853
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 2: trip to the boardroom, which obviously gives you a lot

854
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 2: of influence when it comes down to the final weeks

855
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 2: of the show. You ate some crickets during this challenge.

856
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 3: I killed it. I was I've never been more surprised

857
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 3: at myself that I was competitive. I loved this challenge.

858
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 3: It felt like Survivor. It was so much fun.

859
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, eating crickets isn't that weird. I think

860
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,439
Speaker 2: you just have to get past the mindset of Hey,

861
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 2: I personally, living in the United States haven't done this often. However,

862
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 2: a lot of other places in this world, do enjoy

863
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 2: a cricket or too.

864
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 3: It's funny because I ate crickets on my one of

865
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 3: my dates with Zach in Mexico, so I'd already done this.

866
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 3: And on The Bachelor we had a group date in Croatia.

867
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 3: We were eating like cowbrains, cow eyeballs, fish heads like,

868
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 3: so I've already kind of had experience doing this. So

869
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 3: when I saw the crickets, I was like, oh, this

870
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 3: is going to be the easiest thing on the table.

871
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 3: I thought it was just going to get worse and

872
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 3: worse and worse. So that's why I went for the

873
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: crickets right away. And looking back, none of the girls did,

874
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 3: except for a d because Ollie's actually vegan, so that's

875
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 3: why she had to do it. But it was just

876
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,439
Speaker 3: so funny watching back, I'm like, oh, I just took

877
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:09,760
Speaker 3: the hardest one for no reason.

878
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 2: I'm impressed with you. I also didn't I don't remember

879
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 2: the eyeballs and stuff that I could do crickets easily.

880
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 2: I think it's the texture stuff that gets me just

881
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 2: in general, no matter where I'm at, I understand that

882
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 2: they're crunchy. Yeah, I can do crunchy.

883
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 3: Crunchy and salty. They're salted.

884
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 2: See it's nice.

885
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 3: It wasn't bad.

886
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 2: You give me an eyeball it explodes in my mouth.

887
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm that cool with it.

888
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:33,720
Speaker 3: Yeah it was bad.

889
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think I'm like dah. I just I

890
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 2: have a hard time getting my head around that. You

891
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 2: are the last two people to go to the boardroom

892
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: after winning this date. Congratulations by the way on winning

893
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 2: the challenge. It's a big deal. You pick Sandy to

894
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 2: go on a date with JR. Because of the past

895
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: they had a little trial marriage. I haven't watched the ultimatum,

896
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 2: but I'm assuming it makes getting married quickly even worse

897
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 2: than what the Bachelor does. We don't get to see

898
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 2: during this moment kind of what your last choice is,

899
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: but you do choose Sandy to go on this date

900
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 2: with JR. Is it only because I'm not going to

901
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 2: lead you into this? Why?

902
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 3: So? I will say going into the boardroom, we thought

903
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 3: it would be mixed. We thought there'd be boys and girls.

904
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 3: So we had a plan. And then we get to

905
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 3: the boardroom and we saw everyone who's already been on dates,

906
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 3: who's already been in here, and we were like, what

907
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 3: do we do? They gave us nothing on his board,

908
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 3: so it was such a hard decision because there was

909
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 3: no nothing to do. I went in with the mindset

910
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 3: of like not wanting to mess up couples, not wanting

911
00:47:55,840 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 3: to get people in trouble. So I thought from that board,

912
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 3: it could just be a good closure moment for Sandy

913
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 3: to have a Loane time with Jr. Because I think

914
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 3: when you're in the house and louis staring at you

915
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 3: in the kitchen, maybe you don't have that closure moment.

916
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 3: So that's why I chose that. And then the next

917
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 3: decision was actually all Ray So he made the Juliette

918
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 3: and Carrington decision.

919
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 2: Why do you think he did that?

920
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 3: So from what we heard, Juliet and Carrington really hit

921
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 3: it off, and everyone was shocked she picked Clayton, So

922
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 3: I thought, if they had such a good connection already,

923
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 3: like maybe let's see where it goes now. But I

924
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 3: didn't choose that, right, did choose that? So, I mean

925
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 3: it made sense. She gave us a great ending, better

926
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 3: than we could have ever asked for. She makes such

927
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 3: good TV, so it ended up being a good decision.

928
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 2: Now, Juliet was obviously upset with you when she first

929
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 2: was eliminated from the show or asked go home from

930
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 2: the show. She called you boring.

931
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 3: I am boring kind of compared to her.

932
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's great to me. Do you like, did you

933
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 2: enjoy her?

934
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 3: At the time, I just felt like she hated me.

935
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 3: So I definitely just I understood why she was mad

936
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 3: at me. I would have felt the same exact way,

937
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 3: and so I think I was just during the show

938
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 3: kept my distance from her. And then she stole my man,

939
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 3: which just felt like she did it on purpose. And

940
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 3: then I look back now knowing her, and I'm like,

941
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 3: she just doesn't care, like she just wanted to have

942
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 3: fun and it was fine. But at the time I

943
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 3: was like, oh my gosh, I feel like she hates me.

944
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I would struggle when Jess and I

945
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 2: watched this, I watched it with there is a reason

946
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 2: why I didn't do any other reality television shows because

947
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 2: I would be on this and I would be so boring.

948
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 3: We are boring. That's when people just have a different

949
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 3: mindset we do.

950
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I think one hundred percent I would been

951
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 2: on the show and you would have never seen me.

952
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 2: You would have never seen me.

953
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 3: Likely you would have been like Freddie, you would have

954
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 3: been the same exact way. And people love Freddy. So

955
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 3: I think you need all types of people.

956
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 2: You do, You do need all types of people. Freddie

957
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 2: was so sweet and he was great, and he found

958
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,760
Speaker 2: somebody during this and was able to make it through

959
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 2: with very little damage. But nobody's talking about Freddie. That's

960
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 2: the thing.

961
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 3: Everyone talks about Freddy. They love him. He's a fan favorite. Sure, yeah,

962
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 3: but yeah, like there's no discourse, Like people aren't like

963
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 3: talking or like making tiktoks about him.

964
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 2: No, there is no blurbs about Freddy. They're just like, yeah,

965
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,760
Speaker 2: he seems like a nice guy. Why weren't you with Freddie?

966
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 3: Well, when I first got there, I was like so

967
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 3: excited because me and Freddy really hit it off. But

968
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 3: he was very like clear with that. He was like

969
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 3: going to try to pursue things with Madison. Okay, So

970
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 3: I didn't really. I don't know. I look back at him.

971
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 3: I don't know if I could have tried harder, But

972
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 3: at the time he just said I'm with Madison, and

973
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 3: I just said, I don't want to sit on any toes.

974
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 3: I don't know anyone.

975
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 2: I'm metrically here. Yeah, let me go back to what's

976
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 2: so healthy and best for me? Clayton Goodness greatness. So

977
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,919
Speaker 2: episode ten, uh, we kind of see this whole thing

978
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 2: come to a conclusion. The final mixer is going on.

979
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 3: I want to know your thoughts before we go to this.

980
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 3: The night before with Carrington and Scott with the big.

981
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:41,240
Speaker 2: Blow up with Julie about JULIETT. I mean, my thoughts

982
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 2: are this it was? It just it's predictable.

983
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 3: You thought I was shocked when it was happening. Why

984
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 3: Because Scott and Juliet just seemed so unseerious that I

985
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 3: thought he would have just not cared that she was

986
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 3: flirting with Carrington.

987
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 2: I think it's the embarrassment factor. I think you make

988
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 2: it make sense when you say these guys were so

989
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 2: worried about being embarrassed. They all come into this. I

990
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 2: think only Freddie was the only guy that came into

991
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 2: this without his intro package being like I am a

992
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 2: ladies man. I love to like saying things like I'm

993
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 2: a ladies man, or I steal girls, or girls are

994
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 2: so lucky to be with me. He was the only

995
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 2: one to not have that type of ego and confidence,

996
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 2: not even confidence. I think he has confidence. He didn't

997
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 2: have the ego, He had humility, he had perspective. Ray, Yes,

998
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 2: I would say Ray was very similar in that too.

999
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 2: But everybody else I think had so much of an ego.

1000
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 2: They thought they were God's gift to this world and

1001
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 2: they were going to walk into that house and the girls,

1002
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 2: We're just gonna be like, all right, please choose me.

1003
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,919
Speaker 2: And most of the guys who kind of had that

1004
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 2: mentality failed miserably, like nobody wanted them.

1005
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know.

1006
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 2: I mean, Louis was there from the beginning, so I

1007
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 2: think he got lucky because he didn't come into the

1008
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 2: house to try to convince anybody. I think anybody knew, like, yes,

1009
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 2: the originals, the ogs had connections. I think if you

1010
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 2: were new and you came in with that mentality where

1011
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 2: it's where you thought you were going to be able

1012
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 2: to convince some one of the girls who has already

1013
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 2: coupled up to move on from whoever they're with, it

1014
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 2: just never worked. I mean, Carrington I think had the

1015
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 2: most aggressively bad intro.

1016
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 3: I will defend him, though, I think he just was

1017
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 3: messing around a little and it came off not so nice.

1018
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 3: But I will say, like with me, at least, he

1019
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,240
Speaker 3: was so sweet.

1020
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 2: Then why didn't you ever get with him?

1021
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 3: Well, I was just saying because like at the time,

1022
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 3: I mean looking back, everyone saw his intro, but when

1023
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 3: I was there with him, he was nice. But I

1024
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:56,760
Speaker 3: do agree he and Jr. Definitely had a strong intro package. Yes, yes,

1025
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 3: but I think maybe it is them just like trying

1026
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 3: to hype them so helps up.

1027
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 2: So that's why I don't think it's shocking to me,

1028
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 2: is because I saw the intros and I watch it

1029
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 2: back and I'm thinking, these guys just don't want to

1030
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 2: be embarrassed, like they don't want to be made fools

1031
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 2: of And I think Juliette was just making fools of

1032
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 2: them in a little bit of ways, because yeah, they

1033
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 2: were unseerious with Juliet, and they thought, I'm unseious, she's

1034
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 2: in a sense lucky that she's here with us, and

1035
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 2: then it blows up. And that's why I think I

1036
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 2: was expecting it at some level.

1037
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy because just from what I saw with

1038
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 3: Scott and Juliet, they actually seemed like they liked each other,

1039
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 3: but they were so unserious together also, like they were

1040
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 3: so like, we're having fun and when Scott walked out

1041
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 3: without having a conversation with her, I remember that it

1042
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 3: was crazy, but yeah, definitely a crazier night than could

1043
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,280
Speaker 3: have anticipated with such a dismal board selection.

1044
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 2: Well, this means that Juliette has no one to match

1045
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 2: with after that evening, and so she has to leave

1046
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 2: the villa again, leaving final matches Sandy and Louis, Lucy

1047
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 2: and Daniel, You and Ray, Madison and Freddie and Ali

1048
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 2: and a d. This is an incredible group to walk

1049
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 2: into the finale with. At the end of this we

1050
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 2: see the couples kind of have their romantic moments together.

1051
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 2: You said that you and Ray were friends. Were you

1052
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:25,280
Speaker 2: ever romantic?

1053
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 3: I think maybe there was like a moment where it

1054
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 3: was like we could have been Like I definitely didn't

1055
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 3: look at him and I'm like, oh, we're just going

1056
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 3: to be friends. Like he's so good looking, he's a

1057
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 3: great guy. But I think the more we were in

1058
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 3: the house, it just seemed like, I don't know if

1059
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 3: we had that spark, and then it just never really came.

1060
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 3: But I loved my time with him there. I wouldn't have,

1061
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 3: you know, done it with anyone else. It was so special.

1062
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think even like for our final date,

1063
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 3: like we're talking about the future and things like that,

1064
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 3: and I think I was surprised at some of the

1065
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 3: things he was saying because I was like, I don't

1066
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 3: feel like you really liked me like that. So yeah, no,

1067
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,720
Speaker 3: I definitely think we were just more friendly.

1068
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,439
Speaker 2: Do you before I skip forward into kind of life

1069
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 2: now and now that it all makes sense, we do

1070
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 2: have the final compatibility challenge. In the last few minutes

1071
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 2: of hear us breaking down the last few episodes of

1072
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 2: Perfect Match. The compatibility challenge is this. You all were

1073
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 2: given questions. You have to answer these questions, which I

1074
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 2: think is so hard really during this thing because you

1075
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 2: don't know a lot about each other.

1076
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 3: I was shocked at how much I knew. I was

1077
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 3: so proud of myself. We were such a new couple.

1078
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 3: But it's hard because I think the reason they did it,

1079
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 3: I don't know if you know, Ben, but the season

1080
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 3: before the people who won were they'd just gotten there

1081
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,399
Speaker 3: like the week before. Oh, because a lot of our

1082
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:01,280
Speaker 3: vote is from outside the house, and so I think

1083
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 3: people who are outside the house can be a little

1084
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 3: bit angry sometimes at like the way that the show

1085
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 3: played out, and I'm angry for them. Honestly, it's hard

1086
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 3: to get in the house, so I think this was

1087
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,959
Speaker 3: their way this season to not allow that to happen again.

1088
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 3: I'm assuming like they just didn't want me and Ray

1089
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 3: to win or like people who are newer. But it

1090
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 3: took out couples like Madison and Freddy, who she genuinely

1091
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 3: think should have been in the final two. So that

1092
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 3: was tough that that happened.

1093
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it did. It took out fred This compatibility challenge

1094
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 2: took out Freddy at Madison, You and Ray and Sandy

1095
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 2: and Louie. Be honest, please, I really liked the Perfect Match.

1096
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 2: I would tell anybody to still like to watch it,

1097
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 2: to tune in. But the idea of a seven day

1098
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 2: vacation as your reward for winning, was it really a

1099
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 2: driving force for you? Like, did you want to win

1100
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 2: different than half a million?

1101
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 3: Right? I think for me, if you really, if you're

1102
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 3: not like eighty and Ali in love with each other, Yeah,

1103
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 3: that seven day trips seems like it would be tough, Like,

1104
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 3: I don't know if I want to really do that

1105
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 3: with someone I just met. I would say the driving

1106
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 3: factor for a lot of these people is like kind

1107
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 3: of like just wanting to be there the longest. I

1108
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 3: think the trip is just that's the reward that they

1109
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 3: thought of. I don't think anyone was like, oh, I

1110
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 3: want to win because I really want this trip. I

1111
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 3: think people just want it to be there as long

1112
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 3: as they could. I think eighty and Dollie were the

1113
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 3: only people who would have actually taken and truly enjoyed it.

1114
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 3: But it's hard to say that it was like a

1115
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 3: good prize because I don't feel like anyone was like, oh,

1116
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 3: I need to go on this vacation.

1117
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 2: I've just gotten back from the beach and gotten gotten

1118
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 2: drinks and food and hung out, like I don't need

1119
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 2: another vacation, right.

1120
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 3: So it's definitely I mean, it's nice that there is

1121
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 3: a prize. I think they could also do it without

1122
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 3: a prize and people would still.

1123
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 2: Go in the show sure, just to be titled the

1124
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 2: Perfect Match, Well, Lucy and Daniel are there for the

1125
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 2: couples to vote on, and Ali and a d I

1126
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 2: shouldn't say the couples because there's outside influences voting on

1127
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 2: this as well. Lucy and Daniel end up being the

1128
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 2: winners of this shocker to me. I think you've hinted

1129
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 2: at being a shock as well. You probably voted for

1130
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 2: Aid and Ali.

1131
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 3: I'm assuming everyone in the house, I think except for Louis.

1132
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 3: Louis didn't eat you. I don't know everyone in the

1133
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 3: house voted for Aid and Ali.

1134
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 2: So why do you think that, Like, why were people

1135
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 2: like why wouldn't people vote for AIDI.

1136
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 3: And Ali in this Everyone outside of the house voted

1137
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 3: for Lucy and Daniel Because I don't think the women

1138
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 3: who were outside the house were happy with the way

1139
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 3: Ali treated Justine. And I think Justine loves ad and

1140
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 3: like wants the best for her, and I think she

1141
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 3: just didn't like the way Alie handled things. So I

1142
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 3: think they were coming from a place of like wanting

1143
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 3: to support a d and just thinking that Allie was

1144
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe they thought he wasn't being truthful.

1145
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 3: They weren't in the house so they didn't get to

1146
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 3: see what we saw. And of course Lucy is like

1147
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 3: just such a sweetheart, so she's like so easy to

1148
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 3: love and vote for. I think they were just like

1149
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 3: mad at Allie.

1150
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 2: I mean, it makes sense. I think it's still shocking

1151
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 2: to me. I think even you don't punish a d

1152
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 2: for a seven day vacation because she's with a guy

1153
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 2: who you don't.

1154
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,919
Speaker 3: I agree, and that is why I voted for them,

1155
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 3: and I was in shock when they didn't win. I

1156
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 3: mean Lucy was in shock. She did win, it was crazy.

1157
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:00,040
Speaker 3: And then obviously they ended up not taking the t

1158
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 3: so it really all was a waste because now ad

1159
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 3: is pregnant and about to have a beautiful baby girl,

1160
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 3: and I would have loved to see her on the

1161
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 3: trip with Ali.

1162
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 2: Maybe the show can just pass it off for a

1163
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 2: baby moon.

1164
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 3: He keep saying that.

1165
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, now let's talk about the couples. Now Lucy and

1166
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 2: Daniel no longer together. As you mentioned, how quickly did

1167
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 2: that end?

1168
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 3: They a couple of people went on a trip right

1169
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 3: after we finished filming to Cabo, and I think there

1170
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 3: was a lot that went on there that the women

1171
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 3: weren't too happy about. I would say Cabo was the

1172
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 3: driving breakup for a lot of people who were there.

1173
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 3: I wasn't there, but I know that he didn't treat

1174
01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 3: her super well, and they also live in different countries sure,

1175
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 3: so when they broke up, I wasn't very surprised. Daniel

1176
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 3: also didn't like me very much. So I was like,

1177
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 3: but y, yeah, it.

1178
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 2: Was sad, but you and Lucy were friends me and

1179
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 2: see our friends.

1180
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're really close, and so it's just hard, you know,

1181
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 3: you don't want to see your friends go through that.

1182
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 2: Freddie and Madison, what's the updates?

1183
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 3: So they are not together? I actually really thought they

1184
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 3: would be together for a while. They seemed so they

1185
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 3: seemed like a married couple.

1186
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and.

1187
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just saw them recently in July, and I

1188
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 3: guess they broke up pretty soon after. Again, they're in

1189
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 3: different countries. It's probably a big reason. You and Ray

1190
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 3: we're still friends, like actual friends, which is crazy.

1191
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 2: And do you guys ever go skydiving?

1192
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 3: Okay, so we were going to We like had plans

1193
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:00,959
Speaker 3: to the morning after we had the big Netflix party,

1194
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 3: and then everyone was so hungover that I'm like, if

1195
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 3: I jump onto a plane right now, I'm gonna die.

1196
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 3: So hopefully we get to soon.

1197
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 2: Now, obviously, you've had two big time hosts, Jesse Palmer

1198
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 2: and Nick Lache. I know you love Jesse. Who to

1199
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 2: you is the better host?

1200
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 3: Well, obviously I always have to say Jesse because I

1201
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 3: was his first Bachelorette season and Bachelor season, so I

1202
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 3: just have a bond with him. But Nick Lache is amazing.

1203
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 3: He is so fun. He would take shots with us like.

1204
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 3: He's great. I just don't have any relationship to him,

1205
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 3: so of course I'm gonna pick Jesse.

1206
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 2: Okay, final couple questions for you personally, Rachel. We get

1207
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 2: to see the Clayton stuff go down. We have gotten

1208
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 2: to know you from the show. I'm assuming somebody from

1209
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 2: the show has circled back after the show and said, hey, Rachel,

1210
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 2: maybe we should have given it a shot. Can you

1211
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 2: tell us who?

1212
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I reconnected with Carrington before the show. I

1213
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 3: feel like I've like kind of pinted at it and

1214
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 3: things like that. But yeah, I think he's so sweet

1215
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 3: and yeah, you know, who knows what could have happened.

1216
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 2: Are you dating anybody right now?

1217
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 3: I'm not dating anyone. I'm definitely single. But yeah, it

1218
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 3: was nice to reconnect for sure with Carrington.

1219
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 2: Does he live in LA.

1220
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 3: He lives in Salt Lake City?

1221
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 2: Okay, have you been to Salt Lake City?

1222
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 3: I have been there, but uh, not to see him.

1223
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 2: Dides intro scare you a little bit, So it's funny.

1224
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 3: I didn't know about any of that. Until I watched

1225
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 3: it back, and then it was funny. We watched some

1226
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 3: of it together. But I think with me, he was

1227
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 3: so sweet and actually it's funny. He DMed me after

1228
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 3: I think I was on The Bachelor, so like years ago,

1229
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 3: and he told me that on the show, and I

1230
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:06,439
Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, I couldn't remember. So, yeah,

1231
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 3: he's just a sweetheart.

1232
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 2: So there is a potential for you to find a

1233
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 2: perfect match from the show.

1234
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 3: Still, there's always potential, right, you know. I love to

1235
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 3: circle back.

1236
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's like a behavior that I

1237
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 2: would say it was a good one. I don't know.

1238
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 2: I think you're better than that, Rachel, But I don't

1239
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 2: know Carrington, so maybe that is a good one to

1240
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 2: circle back too.

1241
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 3: We'll see, we'll see.

1242
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 2: That's all we're getting.

1243
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 3: I don't have any like solid updates, like we're definitely

1244
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 3: not dating or like anything like that.

1245
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 2: Okay, he calls you tomorrow and says, Hey, I'm going

1246
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 2: to be in La Rachel, I want to take you

1247
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 2: on a date.

1248
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 3: Well, we see each other when he's in La. Yeah,

1249
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 3: but yeah, I think we live in different states and

1250
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 3: it's really far.

1251
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 2: It's super hard to fly from Salt Lake today.

1252
01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 3: I know, it's like thirty minutes. It's crazy and apply

1253
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 3: for freeze. It's just like it's really hard to get

1254
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 3: out there.

1255
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 2: Such a good excuse you're making to why this could

1256
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 2: potentially not be a thing.

1257
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 3: No, who knows, Like I genuinely like will tell you

1258
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 3: if I have an update, but like as of now,

1259
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 3: it's been nice to reconnect with him and like, you know,

1260
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 3: we went through the show together, so like watching it

1261
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 3: back and stuff, it was nice to have someone who

1262
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 3: like got it.

1263
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 2: Rachel. I've told you this many times on the show

1264
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 2: and person, I think, out of so many people, you

1265
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 2: are one of my favorite people to ever come out

1266
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 2: of the franchise. I am confused when people ask me,

1267
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 2: like about single people from the Bachelor World. I'm confused

1268
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 2: on how people haven't reached out to you to try

1269
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 2: to connect and date more often. But it sounds like

1270
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 2: to me, for the first time since your time as

1271
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 2: the lead on the show, you're getting some attention that

1272
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 2: you deserve from boys.

1273
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 3: You know, I think boys do reach out to me.

1274
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 3: I definitely. I mean it's funny because you know, the

1275
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 3: guy that I dated, like the one that I was

1276
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 3: kind of like more in the public with it was

1277
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 3: difficult because when things ended, it was still online and

1278
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 3: people still thought we were together and you were with

1279
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 3: me actually when I was like talking to you about

1280
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 3: that for the first time. So after that had happened,

1281
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 3: I just tried to be more silent about it because

1282
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 3: I didn't want that to happen again. And I think

1283
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 3: now I'm kind of at the point where like, I

1284
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 3: think people do deserve to know what I'm doing and

1285
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 3: if I'm talking to someone, so I like to be

1286
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 3: more open. But yeah, for years I just was like,

1287
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 3: I'm single, I don't know, and now I think everyone

1288
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 3: thinks that, you know, no one was trying to talk

1289
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 3: to me. They do, but it's just hard, you know,

1290
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 3: when you're in the public failing in relationships, especially when

1291
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 3: you already have at such a large scale. So I

1292
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 3: would definitely keep things more private. But I mean, hey,

1293
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 3: now you know some of the tea at least.

1294
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 2: Some of the tea. I get it. No, I mean we,

1295
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 2: Jess and I kept it secret for six months because

1296
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 2: because when something's good too you don't want to publicize it,

1297
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 2: and then if things don't work out, you're asked about

1298
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 2: that person and it will every time you're asked about

1299
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 2: that person, because yeah, that was a good thing. Well

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Speaker 2: luckily for me, you know, it ended in marriage, so

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Speaker 2: not ended, it started in marriage, and so we can

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Speaker 2: will never be sad to talk about it. I could

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Speaker 2: talk about Jess all day.

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Speaker 3: Literally, So happy for you guys and your beautiful baby

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Speaker 3: and your amazing trips and hopefully you can give me

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Speaker 3: some of that luck.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to. I'm passing it off to you. Rachel,

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Speaker 2: you are a dream, the perfect match. Final question for you?

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Speaker 2: Are you glad you did it? What did you learn

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Speaker 2: about yourself through it?

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Speaker 3: I actually am so glad. I keep getting asked this question. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: it's so different from Bachelor, and I just think this

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Speaker 3: was the first time I ever got to be like

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Speaker 3: on TV being myself without this reputation of people who

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Speaker 3: had seen me before thought that they knew me. And

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Speaker 3: I just got to have so much fun. Obviously the

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Speaker 3: Clayton stuff was hard, like wouldn't have wanted that for anyone,

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Speaker 3: but I think I just got to really have a

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Speaker 3: great time, and so that's why I'm so happy I

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Speaker 3: did it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, I mean it is. It's just shake up.

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Speaker 2: It's fun. It looked so enjoyable. I would tell anybody

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Speaker 2: to watch it. It is very entertaining.

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Speaker 3: It's so entertaining. It was a good season.

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Speaker 2: It's so entertaining. I really did enjoy it, and it

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Speaker 2: helped my flight home from Italy go so much faster. Rachel,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you'll be back soon helping co host an

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Speaker 2: episode of Safe here talking about Taylor, Frankie Paul or

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Speaker 2: the next upcoming season of The Golden Bachelor, which will

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Speaker 2: be airing very soon. But I appreciate you stepping on.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate your insights into the perfect match, and so

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Speaker 2: until next time, I've been Ben and I'm Rachel. That's right.

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