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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt. They called me Ben. We're joined

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Speaker 1: as always with our super producer Paul Mission controlled decade.

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Speaker 1: Most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that

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Speaker 1: You know, for a long time now, we've been putting

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Speaker 1: you and I were putting out a ton of YouTube

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Speaker 1: videos every week. Uh, and it was this was back

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Speaker 1: and I did. But still we are grateful as always

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Speaker 1: for the best part of the show, which is you,

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Speaker 1: if you're listening now, our fellow listeners and conspiracy realists.

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Speaker 1: And in between these episodes, we like to do a

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Speaker 1: we can share your stories with each other. So, um, Matt,

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Speaker 1: you and I kind of divide and conquer on these things,

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Speaker 1: you know, I will I will have conversations with a

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Speaker 1: lot of people on show social media or on my

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Speaker 1: least credits where it's due. You run point. I help

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Speaker 1: and Bait commercials, But you run points on on our

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Speaker 1: voicemail que and uh, we love it. You also call

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Speaker 1: people back. We've talked about this on the show before,

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Speaker 1: voicemail stuff is about I would say nine three percent,

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Speaker 1: Matt Frederick, and that is me being very kind to me,

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Speaker 1: you know whatever, whatever, I'm just saying thank you in

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Speaker 1: calling somebody from this number that they don't have in

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Speaker 1: and those conversations are always very rewarding. But you know,

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Speaker 1: we've been clear from day one that this show doesn't

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Speaker 1: exist without you, fellow listeners. All the other stuff aside,

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Speaker 1: and this is where we really put our money. Where

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Speaker 1: mouths are, your ears are something something something, Okay, Anyway, anyway,

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Speaker 1: here we go. We're going to explore We're going to

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Speaker 1: explore disturbing story out of New Jersey. We're going to

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Speaker 1: explore a story that starts with a funny headline and

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Speaker 1: coast of Florida. And then we're gonna end with a

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Speaker 1: quick little cavalcade of voicemails that really stood out to

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Speaker 1: the both of us. Matt, I propose that we begin

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Speaker 1: this week's exploration in New Jersey high new Joy Easy

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Speaker 1: so my name is Taylor. Feel free to use my

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Speaker 1: don't exactly know how far it goes, we being the scientists,

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Speaker 1: but we know that it has negative and negative consequences

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Speaker 1: on things like reproduction, things like odds of survival to

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Speaker 1: the extent of their natural lifespan. Also, these things can

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Speaker 1: in other parts of the world. We know that they

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Speaker 1: can affect fish feeding, their interactions with other fish, and

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Speaker 1: their migratory behavior. This has led the researchers of this

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Speaker 1: study to say Florida needs to expand and modernize wastewater

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Speaker 1: treatment facilities and sewage infrastructure a cross the state. Initial

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Speaker 1: question for me was does this affect the human consumer?

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Speaker 1: Which was admitted admittedly a very self centered thing to ask.

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Speaker 1: But does does it affect you know, it's a question

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Speaker 1: anybody in Florida would ask green this headline, Does that?

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Speaker 1: Does this affect me? Right? Do we not have to

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Speaker 1: pay for medications anymore? Do we just eat local seafood? Right? Right?

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Speaker 1: I can't. I can't afford my prescription, So I guess

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Speaker 1: I'll become a pesctarian. Is that that? Yeah? You know?

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Speaker 1: I also thought of mercury level warnings, which were really,

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Speaker 1: you know, really common thing. Uh. Several years ago, people

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Speaker 1: were warned to watch their consumption of certain maritime wildlife,

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Speaker 1: with the idea being that it could lead to mercury contamination.

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Speaker 1: There's some stuff that really alarmed the scientists here, including

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Hodge or jag R e h A G. E.

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Speaker 1: A Coastal and Phish ecologists An associate professor at the university.

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Speaker 1: Not for nothing did she say these findings are incredibly alarming. Quote,

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Speaker 1: pharmaceuticals are an invisible threat, unlike al algiel blooms or

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Speaker 1: turbid waters. Yet these results tell us that they are

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Speaker 1: a formidable threat to our fisheries and highlight the pressing

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Speaker 1: need to address our longstanding wastewater infrastructure issues. Do we

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Speaker 1: talk about it all the time? No one cares about infrastructure, really,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't get the votes, it's boring to talk about.

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Speaker 1: It's not a problem with a human face, right, And

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Speaker 1: if it's not a problem with a human face or

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Speaker 1: like a celebrity attached to it, then people don't really

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Speaker 1: care until the bridges start collapsing, right until the water

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Speaker 1: coming out of the faucet turns the wrong color or

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Speaker 1: catches on fire. Uh. And it's not a profit center either, right,

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Speaker 1: So there's there's just no real incentive besides just not

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Speaker 1: wanting to have your things break in your city. And

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Speaker 1: yet it happens all the time. And this is what's

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Speaker 1: blowing my mind here. Man. The ocean is big, dude,

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Speaker 1: The ocean is so big. How many drugs have to

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Speaker 1: be there to be detectable in one hundred of the

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Speaker 1: fish they looked at. Yeah, it's it's got to be

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Speaker 1: coming directly out of that wastewater, right and pooling I

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Speaker 1: guess in there, because it's not like it would dissipate

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Speaker 1: fully into the ocean, right, it would be in a

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Speaker 1: localized area. Still, you have clouds of these things, of

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Speaker 1: these pharmaceuticals floating around. But it's still. Yeah, it's gross

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Speaker 1: and awful and something must be done. Rabble rabble, rabble rebel. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's I mean, I'm a percent with you. This is

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Speaker 1: also calling into question other possible implications. How does this

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Speaker 1: affect humans? Right are you if you eat enough, do

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Speaker 1: you get functionally a dose of this kind of stuff?

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Speaker 1: Where is it? Is it simply a matter of trace amounts?

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Speaker 1: What does this mean for the future? Or as one

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Speaker 1: clever redditor put it, and please beat me here, Paul,

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that our world is so that even the

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Speaker 1: fish need antidepressants. I don't. I don't know what fish

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Speaker 1: healthcare is like. Uh, it's like the rest of the ocean.

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Speaker 1: It's probably not very good. But it's a bigger problem too.

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Speaker 1: And this is what this is why fellow Instagram guy

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Speaker 1: we gotta, we gotta talk about this some more because

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Speaker 1: I looked into larger context things, right, systemic things. Puget

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Speaker 1: Sound also has high rates of drug presence in the salmon.

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Speaker 1: They're like, this is not just happening in Florida. This

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Speaker 1: is not a case of you know, quote unquote Florida

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Speaker 1: man just purposely drugging fish. You know, for Florida fish

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Speaker 1: seeks local supply of viagara in his water. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't think viagra was one of the things they found,

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Speaker 1: but I can imagine. Yeah, And you know, it's no

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Speaker 1: secret that different creatures in the water. It's so laughing

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Speaker 1: about the viagara idea that different creatures in the water

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Speaker 1: are already enduring um incredible hardships. Right and again, the

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Speaker 1: question so often asked by the human species is well,

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Speaker 1: what does that mean for me? What does that have

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Speaker 1: to do with me? Right? It will. The dominoes may

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00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: seem far away, but they all make the others fall.

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Speaker 1: When you think about it, it's just a matter of time.

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Speaker 1: That's how that's how ecosystems and biomas work. So for

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Speaker 1: some of us in the crowd today, it might be

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Speaker 1: you know, a laughable story kind of like, oh, hey,

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Speaker 1: that's that's extra value if I buy the bone fish.

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Speaker 1: And we hate to be the bearer of bad news,

511
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Speaker 1: but the bone fish, legally speaking, is catch and release

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Speaker 1: only in Florida, which means you're just gonna have to

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Speaker 1: keep buying drugs the good old fashioned way from your

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00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: shady friend of a friend. I'm kidding, that's unfair. These

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00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: are pharmaceutical drugs, so you should be getting a prescription

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Speaker 1: to obtain these. But you know that it reminds me

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Speaker 1: of Matt. Over the years, you and I have seen

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Speaker 1: multiple stories of other widespread contaminants in what would be

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Speaker 1: considered public space, like a ton of cocaine and the

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Speaker 1: water in Italy or specific Italian towns, a ton of

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Speaker 1: feces on paper currency. By the way, the last time

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Speaker 1: you touched uh paper bill in the United States, there's

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00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: a chance you were rubbing on some poop. That's why

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Speaker 1: I launder all my money. We launder all our money

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00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: through fine art and and this book we wrote help

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Speaker 1: us launder money. No no, no, no, no no, we'll see,

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Speaker 1: we'll see if if Matt and Legal let me get

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Speaker 1: away with that one. But uh, but the point of

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Speaker 1: the matter is that these sorts of things don't often

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00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: don't get examined as deeply as they should because they

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Speaker 1: may not have immediately harmful effects to people to the

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Speaker 1: what about you know, how does this matter to me? Species? Uh?

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Speaker 1: And the fact that those things are not immediately damaging

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that they're not damaging. It doesn't mean they're benign,

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Speaker 1: nor does it mean they're neutral. It means they may

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Speaker 1: well have a danger inaggregant cumulating over time. So with this,

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Speaker 1: I am going to pause us for a word from

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Speaker 1: our sponsor. I can't wait to hear back from our

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00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realist on Instagram. You can reach out to

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Speaker 1: me directly there if you also, if you have a

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Speaker 1: story to share with us, we'll tell you how to

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Speaker 1: get in touch with us through any number means at

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Speaker 1: the end of the show. But stay tuned because we have,

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Speaker 1: as we promised, a cavalcade of messages coming from you

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Speaker 1: right after the break and we're back personal shout out

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Speaker 1: to everyone that we're about to play here. Uh. You

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00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: have very interesting things to say and we can't wait

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00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: to share them with everyone else. Way more interesting than

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Speaker 1: the sidebar. I guess their ads or there are more

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Speaker 1: from CNN articles I'm getting from this other article I'm

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Speaker 1: looking at. I just want to let everyone know this

552
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Speaker 1: is the kind of important stuff that you're gonna find.

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Speaker 1: Michael B. Jordan's who's an actor, and apparently Lorie Harvey,

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Speaker 1: who's I guess. I don't know what she does. But

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Speaker 1: they split up, and according to this headline, Steve Harvey

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Speaker 1: says he's team Lorie, and I guess that's because he's

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Speaker 1: Laurie's father. I don't even I don't know. Good, good call, Steve. Sorry.

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Speaker 1: I was trying to make a joke about how stupid

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Speaker 1: the news is, but I didn't even do it. Control

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Speaker 1: his death said, uh, yes, he is Lori's father. I

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Speaker 1: don't Harvey is because I know his stand up comedy.

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00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm unplugged from the celebrity stuff. Man.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a job, right, right right? Anyway, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it hurts my head. Let's keep it at mass starvation

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Speaker 1: looming in Somalia. But who wore what to wear? Well?

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Speaker 1: But Steve Harvey, his team his daughter so great. Okay, alright,

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Speaker 1: so take take that widespread starvation. Okay, here we go.

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Speaker 1: Let's jump to a message we got from one Sean.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna set this up too much. Let's just

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Speaker 1: play it and respond to it. This is Sean marsh

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Speaker 1: again from Long Island. I am the U S veteran.

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Speaker 1: I served in the US during ninety one. I'm considered

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Speaker 1: a war veteran. I was in Berlin, Germany before I

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00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: took the world totally down. So um, my job I

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00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: had was actually most coding in conception with cryptologic specialists.

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Speaker 1: My title was night hotel. Back in the old days

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00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 1: there was a five hotels. They're called just hobbs. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: my question, really, the one I really wanted to talk

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Speaker 1: to you all about, was I listened to your episode

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Speaker 1: on mad cow disease. I am a person who unfortunately

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Speaker 1: is affected by the bad understanding of the disease. I

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Speaker 1: was told when I got out of service because I

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Speaker 1: was in Germany between eighty nine and ninety one. They

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Speaker 1: were I'll break some mad cow disease and I can

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Speaker 1: no longer ever give blood. I don't claim understand this,

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Speaker 1: since I was very proud of me to give blood

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Speaker 1: because I have a rare blood type. My blood type

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Speaker 1: is a B positive, so I think maybe negative is

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Speaker 1: the rarest, but I used to allow to give ut

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Speaker 1: before I went all those says. I understand how you

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Speaker 1: can say that I'm dangerous when you have no way

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Speaker 1: to test the mag How do it? And if I

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Speaker 1: had such a bad disease, I don't think I would

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Speaker 1: make it the one in which I've made it now.

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Speaker 1: Once again, I'm a veteran, So if there any more

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Speaker 1: information on this particular copy, I would love to hear it. First,

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Speaker 1: thank you sir for taking the time to write too

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Speaker 1: well to call us, you know, to contact us, I

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Speaker 1: should say, and uh. Secondly, we have we have a

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Speaker 1: little bit of an answer. And the answer, at least

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Speaker 1: in my mind, Matt, the answer is really one of

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Speaker 1: airing on the side of caution. Yes, do well, I

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Speaker 1: don't want, Ben, Let's just let's just say what the

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Speaker 1: answer is. I found a couple of articles in just

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Speaker 1: briefly searching about this when it comes to new tests

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Speaker 1: that have been develop lipped over the past seven years

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Speaker 1: or so, where it's it's blood screenings for mad cow

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Speaker 1: disease and crayons, things like that crux filled Jacob disease,

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Speaker 1: um several things here. So just what Ben, what have

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Speaker 1: you found? So? Yeah, the mad cow disease is the

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Speaker 1: street name, the friendly, the media friendly name for disease

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Speaker 1: that has a couple of actual names. In cows, it's

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Speaker 1: called bovine sponge ofform encephalopathy, but in humans it's called

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Speaker 1: variant Krutzfield Jacob disease, like you just described, Matt. So

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Speaker 1: it can be a little bit it can be a

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Speaker 1: little bit confusing. The symptoms are similar regardless of which

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Speaker 1: mammal is infected, and those symptoms go down to a

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Speaker 1: little thing called prions, which everyone can remember from the

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Speaker 1: excellent X Files episode Matt at Hazard. That's when you

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Speaker 1: and I both learned about this. Is that correct, absolutely?

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Speaker 1: Or was that one of the movies it was? It

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Speaker 1: was Curu. I think it's the episode Our Town. Okay, yep, yeah, okay, So, Sean.

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Speaker 1: One of the one of the most important things to

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Speaker 1: know here about Red Cross donation and how that affects

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Speaker 1: the ability to donate blood or to not be allowed

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Speaker 1: to do it, is that first, these organizations they're doing

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Speaker 1: mission critical work, humanity needs them, but they're also terrified

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Speaker 1: of being a vector for any sort of infection. Right.

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Speaker 1: The idea of someone um, for instance, having a blood

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Speaker 1: borne disease like HIV, which leads to AIDS, and then

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Speaker 1: having someone received a blood transfusion and now contract in

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Speaker 1: that disease. That is part of why they are so

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Speaker 1: risk averse, because they they are numerous successes, and all

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Speaker 1: the work that they do around the clock every year

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Speaker 1: will get ignored in favor of reporting one situation where

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Speaker 1: things go wrong. So that's kind of what that's the

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Speaker 1: scrutiny under which they labor. The second aspect of this

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Speaker 1: is that they know these prions can be communicated through

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Speaker 1: donated blood, regardless of whether or not the donor shows

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Speaker 1: any signs of disease, and they're basing this decision on

641
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: precedent not here in the US, but in the United Kingdom,

642
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Speaker 1: where blood transfusions gave a relatively small number of people

643
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Speaker 1: mad cow disease. I think it only it happened to

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Speaker 1: four people, but I don't want to say only, because

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Speaker 1: of course they contracted it. And in addition to being

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Speaker 1: risk converse, I would argue that um, there's also a

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Speaker 1: bit of the um the inertia of institutions at work here.

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Speaker 1: You know, for a long time there was a ban

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Speaker 1: on people donating blood due to their do entirely and

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Speaker 1: only to their sexual orientation, the assumption being that those people,

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Speaker 1: due to their orientation, would somehow be more likely to

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Speaker 1: transmit blood borne diseases. And this this was enormously controversial.

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Speaker 1: You remember hearing about this, right, Matt, Yeah, Ben, Ben,

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Speaker 1: I had heard that. What's really weird to me, Ben,

655
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Speaker 1: is that Sean in this instance just happened to be

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Speaker 1: in Germany at a time when there were several outbreaks,

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Speaker 1: and since that time, at least for a lot of

658
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: Sean's life, there's been no good way to test if

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Speaker 1: Sean actually was affected by this thing. Uh, it's just

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Speaker 1: because of where he was at that time that he

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Speaker 1: cannot give blood and he can't even I'm assuming he

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Speaker 1: can't confirm at this moment whether he has been affected

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Speaker 1: by it or not. Um, I'd want to know if

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Speaker 1: there's a way. I'm not seeing it right now, but

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Speaker 1: if there's a way for Sean specifically to get tested

666
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Speaker 1: for it. Unfortunately, the only current method to test for

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Speaker 1: human born mad cow disease is post mortem, perform post

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Speaker 1: mortem analysis of the brain, or you could um perform

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Speaker 1: a biopsy, but it's a it's a medical priority right

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Speaker 1: now to create a non invasive test that can detect

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Speaker 1: prions in the blood. But there is some good news, Sean,

672
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: that research is highly prioritized right now, and it's being

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Speaker 1: priorities at such a high level because the US is

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Speaker 1: encountering what vampires would call a blood crisis, well vampires

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Speaker 1: and regular humans. It's the worst blood shortage in more

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Speaker 1: than a decade. So especially people with rare blood types

677
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Speaker 1: like you, Sean um you, you would be prized. And

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Speaker 1: these organizations are risk averse because of the constraints that

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Speaker 1: we just described. But they're pushing. They being senators and

680
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: power structures and Congress. They're pushing for more research funding

681
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: to allow more people to give blood, and they're also

682
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Speaker 1: pushing for the FDA to change its policy on restricting

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Speaker 1: people from giving blood due to their orientation. And this

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Speaker 1: this is something that we should, I mean talk about

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Speaker 1: in a full episode Man blood donate a Sian plasma donation.

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Speaker 1: H We just didn't have time to hit it when

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Speaker 1: we were doing our Body Brokers episode. Well, you know

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Speaker 1: another thing, Ben, I don't want to get too far

689
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Speaker 1: away from that conversation. It's just Seawan's message about who

690
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Speaker 1: he was and what he did in some of the

691
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 1: Morse Code, cryptography and some of that stuff like yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about that. I want to know

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Speaker 1: more about that. That sounds. But for now, hey, Sean,

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Speaker 1: I think we're gonna we're gonna leave it there, and

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00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: you know, always feel free to call back. We want

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Speaker 1: to hear from you again, right to us. Uh, We're

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00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: gonna jump to one more, one or two more messages,

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Speaker 1: just really quickly here to get some opinions and statements.

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Speaker 1: So let's jump quickly to Jordan's. Oh and as are

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Speaker 1: really on Jordan's one last note, Sean, thanks for being

701
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: one of the good guys man. Um more people should

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00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: donate blood. I don't want to even make a vampire joke.

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00:46:56,120 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: I can't have my blood. That's you know. Here we go,

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Speaker 1: here's j Hi then Matt, now all this is Jordan's um.

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Speaker 1: I have been a long time listener, first time caller,

706
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Speaker 1: and I was listening to your podcast episode on wealth,

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00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: the Wealthy and Taxes, and I wanted to pose mybe

708
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Speaker 1: a doubles advocate. Uh idea, although I agree with the

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Speaker 1: whole CEOs and executives and that sort of seeing being

710
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Speaker 1: able to kind of this scave those high tax brackets.

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Speaker 1: They should be pain I wanted to mention. I think

712
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Speaker 1: then it was your friend who has to set in

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Speaker 1: rental properties, and I want to just think I wanted

714
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Speaker 1: you all to think about like generational wealth myself. I'm sorry. One.

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Speaker 1: I have a have a two year old daughter, and

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Speaker 1: we started in our early twenties. You know, we bought

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Speaker 1: our house, we worked to get out of sta and

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Speaker 1: all that sort of thing, and we're working to build

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00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: her wealth because I know it's not going to happen

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Speaker 1: in my in my lifetime, but maybe by the time

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Speaker 1: I'm sixty years seventy will be a good chunk of

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Speaker 1: of generational wealth for her. But I don't want her

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Speaker 1: to have to pay taxes on it. Like I get

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Speaker 1: the tax rates. When I get that, maybe some of

725
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: the wealthy are a little bit crooked, But um, I've

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Speaker 1: already paid taxes over all the stuff that I've thought.

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Speaker 1: I've already paid taxes on my income, on my houses,

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Speaker 1: all that thurs thing. I don't think it's fair for

729
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Speaker 1: my daughter to have to pay taxes again on that, um,

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Speaker 1: especially as an inheritance tax or the best tax of

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Speaker 1: you guys called it. So I'd love to hear your

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Speaker 1: hands a box on that, because although corporations and companies

733
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: are very corrupt in those cases, I don't think I'm

734
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: corrupt and I won't just want to provide uh last

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00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: thing where to see from my daughter. So I love

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Speaker 1: the show, Love you guys, can't wait here for me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Jordan. I'm I'm so glad someone called in

738
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: for this mat because it's true. We have to be

739
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: very clear that when uh, we're talking about wealthy people

740
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 1: rigging the game, we're talking about a level of wealth

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Speaker 1: that few are the one percent of people across the

742
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: span of human history have ever attained. And Jordan makes

743
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:20,760
Speaker 1: such a good point. I I left her a message.

744
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: I didn't get to actually talk to her, but it

745
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: really did make me think about my son and what

746
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: what do I want to do? What I what I

747
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: want to provide for him? And will I be able

748
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: to do that ever? And if I do get you know,

749
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Speaker 1: when I'm sixty or seventy, if I make it that far, like,

750
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: what does he actually get? And what is the government

751
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: get out of that? You know what it's a taking

752
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: because unless you attain you know, a very very very

753
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:56,439
Speaker 1: um rarefied and threshold of success again one the very

754
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: few people can attain by design. By the way, then

755
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: you do still have likelihood of your government wherever you live,

756
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: taking a chunk out of it, and part of that,

757
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: arguably it could be by design to help filter to

758
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: run a scrimmage line, preventing people from accumulating more intergenerational wealth.

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00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: It's it's a fascinating subject, and maybe it's a topic

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00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 1: for an episode in the future. But Jordan's I, like Matt,

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00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 1: I tremendously appreciate that point. And you know, here in

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Speaker 1: the States especially, there are a lot of people who

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00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: would look at someone who has, you know, who has

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00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: some assets and say, oh, that person's rich. But you know,

765
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 1: like Chris Rock said, there's a difference between rich and wealthy, right,

766
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 1: and it's important. And you know, most of those people,

767
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,760
Speaker 1: by the way, our own, our own friends and family,

768
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: don't consider themselves rich. They're still busting their humps every day,

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00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: usually for their kids. Uh. And I don't know, Matt,

770
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: you can probably speak to it more eloquently than me.

771
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, I am really glad that Jordan reached out

772
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: to us here. Thank you, seriously, Jordans for for calling

773
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: and give me us with that perspective, let's jump to

774
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: one last message and then we'll be out of here,

775
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: because at this point most of you are probably asleep.

776
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: We're still driving. Okay, here we go. Hello. My name

777
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,720
Speaker 1: is Becca. Um, I've heard I can't remember what episode

778
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: it was, but you guys said something about whoever's driving. Oh,

779
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: I bet somebody listens to this when they can't fall asleep,

780
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: and somebody made a joke like, oh, I can't fall

781
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: asleep with all those guys, and I wanted to let

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00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: you know that, Um, one of those people does exist,

783
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: and it's me. I cannot fall asleep without you guys.

784
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: I listened to an episode every Not Out of My Life,

785
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: and I set the timer on my Spotify to end

786
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: of the episode, and a lot of times I get

787
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: upset that I didn't get to hear the rest, so

788
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: I just have to listen to it over and over

789
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: and over until eventually I finished the episode. Um, but yeah,

790
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: I want to let you know we exist and I

791
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,800
Speaker 1: can't think about you guys. You guys are my favorite podcast.

792
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: I also can't drive about you guys. So thank you

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00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: for making the podcasts. Oh wow, thank you. Dangerous Dangerous

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00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: Combination Becca, if you if you associate us with sleeping,

795
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: but then you're also driving whilst listening to the thing

796
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: you associate with sleeping, I hope you're I don't know,

797
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: consuming caffeine or something while you're driving too, or put

798
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 1: or put us as the first playlist in your autonomous car.

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00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 1: Uh seriously, Bega, thank you so much. I I've joked

800
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: about this since I read the reviews where I think

801
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: I'm the one who mentioned this now where there were

802
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: people who would say I love this show. I I

803
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: can't go to sleep without it. And I think that's great, honestly,

804
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: because a lot our individual lives are always shaped by

805
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: rituals of different sorts. I have a lot. I know

806
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: that you have several met and and if we are

807
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: part of your life in that way, then that's awesome.

808
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: Thank you. You know, um, I wonder what I wonder

809
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 1: when we're going to do that a SMR episode. I

810
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: I don't know we should, but I am going to

811
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: start putting secret messages in to this like every episode

812
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: from now on, They're going to be secret messages for

813
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 1: people right towards the end here who are falling asleep,

814
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be like it's gonna be dream inception

815
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 1: infection kind of stuff. Oh, it's going to be good.

816
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: Can I team up with you on that? Yeah, we're

817
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: doing it right now. We are the Blue Door, the

818
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 1: Blue Door, all right. And with that, thank you so

819
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: much to everybody who's been calling in. Again. As Ben said,

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00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: we're going through the voicemails. Were about halfway through May.

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00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: Almost there. Uh. We're gonna keep doing that and we'll

822
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: be calling you back and putting you in more of

823
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: these episodes. Thank you for reaching out to us in

824
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: every way that you possibly can. Because you've been doing it,

825
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: we appreciate it. We can't thank you enough, but we

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00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: will try so. Thank you. Sean Jordan's Becca Taylor. And look,

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Speaker 1: if you're listening, if we talked about the fish on Instagram,

828
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: I feel so bad and I only have like three

829
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: feelings a year. Reach out. Let me let me make

830
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: this right. We try to be easy to find on line. Uh, Matt,

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Speaker 1: let's see, we got the Facebook, we got the Twitter.

832
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:58,760
Speaker 1: That's not enough. We got the the YouTube's the Instagram's

833
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: conspiracy stuff is some derivation thereof all across all across

834
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Speaker 1: your inter tubes. But wait, you might be saying I've

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00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: been eating all these fish too high right now to

836
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,439
Speaker 1: hop on social media, that's like a permanent record thing.

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Speaker 1: Can't I just give you guys a call? You absolutely can? Yes,

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Speaker 1: is one sorry you are you awake? Y? No? Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's one eight three three std w y t K.

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Speaker 1: When you call in, give yourself a cool nickname. We

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00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: don't care what it is. We're excited to hear it.

842
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 1: Let us know if we can use your voice and

843
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: message on the air. You've got three minutes. Tell us

844
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: anything you'd like, respond to anything we We just want

845
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: to know. We want to know your story. If you've

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00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: got more to say than can fit in that three minutes,

847
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 1: why not instead send us a good old fashioned email.

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