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Speaker 1: This is the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 3: Hey guys. Today we're counting back the top ten episodes

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Speaker 3: of the entire year, and going through this list was

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Speaker 3: pretty fun. We had some legends on Ringo, John Fogerty

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Speaker 3: from CCR, Brooks and Dunn, Lionel Richie, Massive Country Stars,

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Speaker 3: Keith Urban, Luke Bryan, Eric Church, Landy Wilson. We had

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Speaker 3: Dave Ramsey dropping by with Money, Money Truth and Mark

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Speaker 3: Happas from Blink one Eddy two. So a super cool

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Speaker 3: mix of people from this year. And if you hear

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Speaker 3: any of this and you want to go here to

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Speaker 3: the whole episode, just go track it down. It's a

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Speaker 3: lot of fun to do. We're gonna get started now

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Speaker 3: with Landy Wilson. Landy obviously had a huge year both

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Speaker 3: personally and professionally, so it's fun to sit down with

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Speaker 3: her shortly after winning CMA Entertainer of the Year to

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Speaker 3: talk about her biggest supporters, how Fames impacted her and

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Speaker 3: her family. Here's a clip of my conversation with Landy

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Speaker 3: Wilson from episode five thirty one. Do you have someone

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Speaker 3: that's close to you that reminds you to be human.

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Speaker 4: My fiance, Duck reminds me to be human. He definitely

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Speaker 4: helps me keep my feet on the ground. Also just

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Speaker 4: kind of reminds me of like what's important. I know,

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Speaker 4: you know, we've talked about this song, but like I

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Speaker 4: know that I'm not gonna be sitting on the couch

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Speaker 4: with my music career when I'm nine years old. So

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Speaker 4: I want to make sure that I'm like taking all

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Speaker 4: the opportunities that i can. But I also need to

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Speaker 4: make sure that I'm taking care of my people and

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Speaker 4: my relationships and creating those memories. And he helps me.

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Speaker 4: He reminds me how important that is.

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Speaker 3: I've known you for a long time. Yep, I haven't

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Speaker 3: seen much change, except your clothes are nicer. Yeah, what

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Speaker 3: about back on how has it changed for your family

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Speaker 3: and your parents.

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Speaker 4: I think it's been a big adjustment for my folks

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Speaker 4: back at home. I think it kind of like snuck

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Speaker 4: like I'm more kind of in it, so I am

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Speaker 4: aware of like what's happening and the changes that are happening,

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Speaker 4: uh to my life. But I think it's kind of

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Speaker 4: been a few pills to swallow at a time and

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Speaker 4: they'd be like, oh, oh okay, so like this is

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Speaker 4: the new reality. For the most part, everybody at home

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Speaker 4: still treats them the same. I mean, there's a few

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Speaker 4: people who have come out of the woodworks and acting

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Speaker 4: like we're cousins and stuff like cousins.

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Speaker 5: When you're we're from everybody's our cousin now Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but uh, it's been an adjustment, but I feel

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Speaker 3: I think one of the things that makes you special

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Speaker 3: your voice, not just your singing voice, but where you

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Speaker 3: come from, how you talk about where you come from.

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Speaker 3: A lot of that comes through your writing. Now, to write,

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Speaker 3: you have to be creative. To be creative, you need time.

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Speaker 3: Are you able to set aside time to allow creativity

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Speaker 3: or how do you do that?

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Speaker 4: It's been a juggling act, but I have had to

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Speaker 4: force that time. We talked about this too, but how

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Speaker 4: those like first ten years I was here, I had

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Speaker 4: that is that's work, you know, it's like opening a book,

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Speaker 3: You were living in an a trailer outside of somebody

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Speaker 4: Who I would say, Honestly, you don't even know what

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Speaker 4: sure to look up because just like we talked about,

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Speaker 4: you know, there's definitely been moments. You know, it's like

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Speaker 4: just sell a ticket to make sure that I'm not

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Speaker 3: Moments, I want to flip it ten years ago talking

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I would think she would. I think

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Speaker 4: she would tell me that she is proud of me.

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Speaker 4: I do feel like, for the most part, I am

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: I look back at it like a picture of me

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Speaker 4: in my camper trailer days and I can't help but

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Speaker 4: like shake my head a little bit and be like

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Speaker 4: that poor girl, like had no clue. But I feel

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Speaker 4: like at the root of all of it, like who

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Speaker 4: I still think that like I am, I'm staying true

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Speaker 4: just say, remember why you started doing this?

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Speaker 5: Are you proud of you?

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Speaker 4: I am proud of me. I will say, as proud

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Speaker 4: as I am of myself, I am also my biggest critic.

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Speaker 4: Then people on Facebook can't got nothing on me. You

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Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. I'm like, oh, you think you

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Speaker 4: can hurt me, I can hurt myself. But that's I

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Speaker 4: feel like that's a part of the reason why I

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Speaker 4: myself and I'm like, Okay, this song is okay, but

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Speaker 4: it's not like what I think it can be, or

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Speaker 4: that performance was. It did the job, but like, what

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Speaker 4: it's very rare when I walk off the stage and

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Speaker 4: that did not work here, Maybe I need to try

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Speaker 5: Are you a perfectionist?

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Speaker 4: I guess you would say I am a perfectionist.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that the product needs to be perfect

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Speaker 5: In how you have your night?

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Speaker 3: Like where does perfection come from?

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Speaker 4: The Thing is like when I think about my music

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Speaker 4: I'm not trying to make that perfect.

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Speaker 4: I'm saying, I'm not trying to. I don't know. I

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Speaker 4: you know, from a place that is not perfect, who's

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Speaker 4: understand this from like, from your perspective. When you do shows,

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Speaker 4: it's like it all depends on the energy that is

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Speaker 4: for the crowd, it could be a weird night for you.

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Speaker 4: But it truly is like an energy exchange. And there

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Speaker 4: are some nights where it is just absolutely on fire

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Speaker 4: and you feel like you can communicate without even hardly

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Speaker 3: Have you learned through that experience that a lot of

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Speaker 3: times you're wrong, because I have where I've felt like

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Speaker 3: the feedback from the people that I trust is exactly

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Speaker 5: And that's happened enough.

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Speaker 3: Times where I just commit and go and understand that

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Speaker 4: see it for everything that it was. And Duck Mandolin,

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Speaker 4: will tell you this, Melissa Etheridge told me something which

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Speaker 3: Like, having grace for yourself is a really hard thing

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Speaker 3: but I think I understand I'm good at it. And

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Speaker 3: that's like therapy talking where I think I'm getting better

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Speaker 3: at having grace for myself is exactly what you're talking about.

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Speaker 4: Hard.

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Speaker 3: It's it's yeah, it's hard when you hold yourself to

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Speaker 3: and worked for, waited for months to watch Landy Wilson,

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Speaker 3: and there is an expectation within yourself that's right, that

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Speaker 3: they don't go home sad, yeah, or disappointed.

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Speaker 4: I know because when I think about like me as

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Speaker 4: a fan, which if there's anything that I miss more

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Speaker 4: than anything, it is being a fan out in the crowd.

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Speaker 4: I miss that so much. But when I think about

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Speaker 4: me as a fan, I think about, like how hard

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Speaker 4: it was for me to buy that ticket, and how

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Speaker 4: hard it was for me to like get to that

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Speaker 4: and like the entire year we were planning for that.

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Speaker 4: That was like a bigger deal than Christmas, you know

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Speaker 4: what I'm saying. It was like the highlight of my year,

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Speaker 4: the highlight of my life. And I still think about

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Speaker 4: from knowing how important those moments were for me that

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Speaker 4: Yes, her Mandolin, my manager, my sister, They don't tell

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Speaker 7: I will tell you that that's true.

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Speaker 4: My fans are not sure.

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Speaker 5: Let's reflect a bit.

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Speaker 3: When you win Best New Female Artist, YEP, feels like

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Speaker 5: That's your first real big award. Like, what can you

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, Well, I remember Miranda calling me and

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Speaker 4: It felt like I was really finally starting to like

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Speaker 3: And you get to go to the ac MS an

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Speaker 5: That's super special.

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Speaker 3: That's the first time you got to have your first award.

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Speaker 3: Like do you remember that night? Like do you remember

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Speaker 3: See I would have held I would have had an

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Speaker 4: Walk you know how that goes. They don't get it.

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Speaker 7: Three months.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it comes in the mail. It's like, here's your

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about let's go up a level. Best Female Artist.

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Speaker 3: You win that ACM. It's like, you've just had kindergarten graduation.

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Speaker 5: Okay, new level. How does that feel?

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Speaker 4: I felt like, Okay, I mean, these these folks thought

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Speaker 3: I want to go another year and it's best Team

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Speaker 4: I was very surprised.

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Speaker 4: That's the well, that's that's it. That's it. So it's

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Speaker 5: Where do you keep that award?

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Speaker 4: I built me a trophy case upstairs, so I got on.

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Speaker 4: My trophies used to be participation trophies. I don't feel

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Speaker 10: Hang tight, The Bobby Cast will be right back. Wow,

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Speaker 10: and we're back on the Bobby Cast. At number nine

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Speaker 10: on our list is Mark Hoppus from Blink one eighty two.

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Speaker 10: From episode five oh five, Mark told the stories behind

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Speaker 9: Both all the.

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Speaker 12: Well, one of the.

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Speaker 11: Things that's happened since the book has come out and since,

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Speaker 11: Were the Bread and Butter, the Gold Standards artists on TRL,

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Speaker 11: the Britney Spears, Destiny's Child, Christina Aguilera in Sync, Backstreet Boys,

444
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Speaker 11: ninety eight degrees, all these huge pop acts. But when

445
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:17,480
Speaker 11: blinkin eighty two was at our heyday, coming like in

446
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 11: the late nineties early two thousands, rock and roll and

447
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 11: punk rock and kind of like that sports metal stuff

448
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:25,679
Speaker 11: was starting to break through as well. So it was

449
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 11: this interesting time to be popular on a show that

450
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 11: was popular for being so poppy.

451
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Speaker 9: And here's our rock band coming in.

452
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Speaker 11: With like sideways baseball hats and skateboard clothes and big

453
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Speaker 11: dickies performing with people who were wearing like versace and

454
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Speaker 11: really nice clothes and really professionally trained, and we were

455
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 11: just sloppy and dumb and it was fun.

456
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Speaker 3: Was there ever an identity crisis with the band? Because again,

457
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 3: you guys shifted music to pop, emulating what you were doing,

458
00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 3: but in turn you were because you were so pops peeler,

459
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 3: you were now part of pop. You actually led that

460
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 3: sound in pop, which that was what you guys weren't.

461
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 3: Now all of a sudden, you're not pop, you're punk,

462
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 3: and now you're pop. But because you've changed it, you've

463
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Speaker 3: changed what pop is.

464
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Speaker 9: Right.

465
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Speaker 3: Did you guys ever have the man maybe we should

466
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 3: just go so hard and make sure people don't know

467
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Speaker 3: that so they know we're not pop. Was there ever

468
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Speaker 3: an identity crisis with Blink?

469
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Speaker 11: I think that after Enema of the State and how

470
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Speaker 11: popular we got and how we were on pop music

471
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Speaker 11: stations at the time that came to us, and like

472
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Speaker 11: you said, I don't feel like we changed our music

473
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Speaker 11: at all.

474
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Speaker 9: But music had come to us.

475
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Speaker 11: And so on the next record, Takeout for Pants and Jacket,

476
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Speaker 11: we were like, we are going to plant the flag

477
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Speaker 11: that we are a rock band, that we are not

478
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Speaker 11: chasing some kind of fame, that we are not chasing

479
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 11: some kind of sound. We want to do a post hardcore,

480
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 11: you know, really dark cool record. And so if you

481
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 11: look at all the stuff for Takeout for Pants and Jacket,

482
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 11: we're like wearing all black, We're not smiling at anything.

483
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Speaker 11: We're looking straight to the camber ur r's crossed, like

484
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Speaker 11: we are the Sia rock band now. So a little

485
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 11: bit of that, But I would like what take It

486
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 11: from Pansion Jacket did to us and really focused us on, wait,

487
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 11: what are we trying to do? Like I feel like

488
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 11: En of the State was kind of our party punk

489
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 11: rock record, and then take Out for Pants and Jacket

490
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 11: was like a lot more dark and viby.

491
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Speaker 3: So I have three extremely cliche questions and only have

492
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Speaker 3: a few minutes left, but three these are extreme cliche,

493
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Speaker 3: So number one is going to get me. What is

494
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Speaker 3: your favorite Blink hit?

495
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Speaker 9: Favorite Blink hit? I'll go with Feeling This.

496
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 11: Feeling This was the first song that we wrote for

497
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Speaker 11: the untitled record, And if Aliens ever came down from

498
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Speaker 11: outer space and said, what's a Blanquinity two song? I

499
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Speaker 11: would play that, and I would play all the small things.

500
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Speaker 11: But I think that Feeling This really showcases each one

501
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 11: of us in a different way, and it's kind of

502
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Speaker 11: an artistic take on a traditional Blanquanity two song that

503
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 11: pushes things in a new direction that we were really

504
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Speaker 11: excited about when we wrote it.

505
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Speaker 3: Second cliche question, what was the best part about fame

506
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 3: and what was the hardest part about fame?

507
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Speaker 11: Best part about fame is the Okay, here's the coolest

508
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,479
Speaker 11: thing that I ever got to do by being famous.

509
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 11: When they launched the first Pirates of the Caribbean movie,

510
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 11: we got invited to the premiere at Disneyland and they

511
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 11: shut down the whole park, so the red carpet, the

512
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 11: press line was all the way down Main Street and

513
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 11: then we turned left into adventure Land and the whole

514
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 11: thing was closed off and there were literally people at

515
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 11: Disneyland begging us to go on their rides because there

516
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 11: was nobody else there, so like Big Thunder Mountain and

517
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Speaker 11: Pirates of the Caribbean and all these great rides we

518
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Speaker 11: got to ride. And then they premiered the movie on

519
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Speaker 11: Tom Sawyer's Island on a huge screen, but we were

520
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Speaker 11: sitting out in front of Pirates of the Caribbean on

521
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Speaker 11: these cool bleachers, so we watched the movie, and then.

522
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Speaker 9: At the end of the show.

523
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Speaker 11: At the end of the movie, you walk out and

524
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 11: they hand you a video game at the Pirates of

525
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Speaker 11: the Caribbean Video Game, and you get in a limo

526
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Speaker 11: and they drive you down Main Street of Disneyland and

527
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Speaker 11: then take you home. That was rad the hardest part,

528
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 11: the worst part about being famous.

529
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 9: Stalker. We had a stalker for a while. That was

530
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 9: a bum out.

531
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Speaker 3: You wrote about that. Yeah that, Yeah, that sucks. We've

532
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 3: had that issue too, because it feels like you're not

533
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 3: in control. I didn't realize it until it just feels

534
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 3: like you're not. It's you stay your whole life trying

535
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:22,959
Speaker 3: to control everything and then all of a sudden you're

536
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 3: not in control.

537
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 9: Like that sucks. Yeah, yep, Okay.

538
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Speaker 3: My final cliche question, how important is it to you.

539
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 3: The people do lowercase B and the dash in Blink

540
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Speaker 3: one eighty two.

541
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Speaker 9: It's important. I would say it's an eight out of

542
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Speaker 9: ten importance.

543
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Speaker 11: Wow, it's not necessary, but it's like it's like, yeah,

544
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 11: that's what it's supposed to be.

545
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 9: But you know how people can write it however they want.

546
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 11: You know, people overseas say blink one eight two instead

547
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Speaker 11: of Blink one eighty two, And it's always a point

548
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 11: of contention we go over season, like, well, what are

549
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 11: you supposed to say blink one a two or one

550
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 11: eighty two? And it's one eighty two to us. But

551
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 11: as long as you're talking about us, that's all we

552
00:26:59,480 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 11: care about.

553
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 3: My producer Mike, you're his favorite band of all time.

554
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 3: Mike has got a couple of questions.

555
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 7: Mike, Hey, Mark, huge fan.

556
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 13: I've only ever cried once in concert, and it was

557
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 13: in twenty twenty three when I saw you guys play,

558
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 13: and it was the intro you did for Adam song,

559
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 13: like that's my favorite.

560
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 9: Belieb Man song.

561
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Speaker 13: Has that song kind of changed for you from when

562
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 13: you first wrote it to now to kind of having

563
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 13: a different meaning to you?

564
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Speaker 9: I mean, it met the world to me when I

565
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 9: wrote it.

566
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Speaker 11: It was a song that I wrote it a very

567
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 11: dark point during the period of time between Dude Ranch

568
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 11: and m of the State where our band was starting

569
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Speaker 11: to get successful.

570
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Speaker 9: But I would come home and I would be totally

571
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Speaker 9: alone and feel alone.

572
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Speaker 11: And we go out on tour and I'd feel fulfilled

573
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 11: and whole, and then I'd go home and I'd feel

574
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,199
Speaker 11: empty again. So I wrote that song and it meant

575
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Speaker 11: a lot up to me because I was honest with

576
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 11: pain and depression. And then as I've gone through life

577
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 11: and gone back to that song, and especially when the

578
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 11: band got back together after I was sick and we

579
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 11: were playing this song that meant so much to me,

580
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 11: I would walk on stage and say, very honestly, like

581
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 11: this song saved my life once and this band saved

582
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 11: my life a second time. So it like it. It's

583
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 11: almost now like it means so much to me that

584
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 11: I don't want to play it and I always find

585
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 11: excuses to not play it because I get in my

586
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:13,239
Speaker 11: own head when I do.

587
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Speaker 3: The other part that's to got to be able the book.

588
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Speaker 13: We talked about it earlier about you begging your dad

589
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 13: to get you a bass like I did the same

590
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 13: thing because I saw Blinkwin eighty two and I was like,

591
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 13: I got to play guitar with my brother. He's like,

592
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 13: all right, we got to convince our parents he got

593
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Speaker 13: a bass. So we learned playing guitar and bass by

594
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Speaker 13: getting tabs off the internet. For you, what are your

595
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 13: top four blank n eighty two basslines?

596
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 11: Top four blank grenat two bass lines? I would say

597
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 11: the bass line in Mutt I Love. I would say

598
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 11: the bassline and feeling this that I love dysenteria. Gary's

599
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 11: a lot of fun to play.

600
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Speaker 2: And what's the fourth?

601
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Speaker 9: Oh wishing Well? No Carousel?

602
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Speaker 11: Oh Carousel is a good one, but that one, the

603
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 11: intro is hard to play. And I love that bass line.

604
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 11: And it's literally the song that Tom and I wrote

605
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 11: the first time that we got in a room together.

606
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 9: Oh blump with Carousel though too.

607
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 11: Sure, let's kick out, Let's kick out wishing Well and

608
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 11: we'll put Carousel in.

609
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 3: I like the mic change Mark's mind. That's the funniest thing.

610
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 3: Final two questions. Were you at all concerned that when

611
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 3: you were united people wouldn't come?

612
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 9: Yeah?

613
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 11: I think always that, But it wasn't about the people

614
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 11: coming back. What it was important to us was that

615
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 11: the three of us were continuing to do what we love,

616
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 11: which is playing Blink linty two songs and writing new songs.

617
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 11: When we got back together, there wasn't even in talk

618
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 11: about like we're going to tour and play these songs.

619
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 11: It was like, we're going to get in a studio

620
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 11: and write a new record and keep doing what we

621
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 11: love and keep writing new things and keep pushing forward.

622
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 9: So it wasn't so much about like.

623
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Speaker 11: Well, you know, we want a bunch of people to

624
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 11: come and watch us play shows. We do obviously, but

625
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 11: we want people to come and listen to new stuff

626
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 11: as well as old stuff. So yeah, I think that

627
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 11: we were less concerned about the people being there and

628
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 11: more being true to ourselves.

629
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Speaker 3: My final question. You wrote about this in your book

630
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 3: as about you and Tom going from best friends to

631
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 3: being not even on speaking terms. So and you talked

632
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 3: about just communicating by email only, Like what is the

633
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 3: communication like now between you two? On a personal level.

634
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 11: We text all the time, whether it be about you know, uh,

635
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 11: blink blink stuff or just jokes or memes or memories

636
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 11: or whatnot, talking about everything. Really Like I'll just call

637
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 11: Tom up and I'll be like, what are you doing?

638
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 11: And I called him like last week, I'm like, what

639
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 11: are you doing right now? And it's like nothing. I'm

640
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 11: literally sitting in my yard watching my dogs run around,

641
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 11: and so then we just talked about dogs for a while.

642
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 3: So it's now it's just totally normal cool.

643
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 11: Yeah, absolutely, it's better than normal cool, like you know,

644
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 11: like all brothers.

645
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 9: Again, we have.

646
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 3: Lionel Ritchie at number eight. One of the coolest interviews

647
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 3: that I've done because it was at the Paramount Theater

648
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 3: in Austin in front of a live audience and he

649
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 3: had just put out a book, so we were just

650
00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 3: talking about his life, talking about some amazing stories from

651
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 3: the formation of the Commodores which he was part of

652
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 3: that and opening for the Jackson five. Lionel great person

653
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 3: loved the interview. Here is some of Lionel Ritchie from

654
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 3: episode five forty four. You guys had had gotten so good.

655
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 3: The newspapers were also complimenting you guys, and they'd be

656
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 3: the jack and five. They were good, but holy crap,

657
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 3: the Commodores so much so that I feel like there

658
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 3: was maybe resentment from Michael's dad.

659
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Speaker 2: You read the book, boy, are you doing all right?

660
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 8: I like that all right, So what happens is that

661
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 8: every thing that wented on at that time, you have

662
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 8: to understand it was all about protecting the Jacksons. We

663
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 8: were just trying to make sure we killed every night

664
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 8: and every time they schooled them on what you properly

665
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 8: should do.

666
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 2: We were listening, if you.

667
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 8: Have a song that's going to be the highlight song

668
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 8: of the night, play that first. Don't wait till the

669
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 8: end because the crowd won't be there. Now we're playing

670
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 8: top forty. We have no hit record, so we get

671
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 8: to pick any record we want. Well, we hit them

672
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 8: with sly Stone, we hit them with the Tempted. But

673
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 8: we were killing it and they were little boys and

674
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 8: we didn't have any respect for them.

675
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 14: That should good TMZ guard right right, okay, until they

676
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 14: walked out on stage and those little boys turned it

677
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 14: into a machine that would scare you to death to

678
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 14: this day.

679
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 2: Don't let anybody fool you. They came out to slay everything.

680
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 8: And at that point I realized, we are the luckiest

681
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 8: guys in the world to be in front of this little.

682
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 2: School of preschoolers.

683
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 8: And whatever I had to do to tolerate the abuse

684
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 8: for a year, I will take it because this is

685
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 8: my ticket to somewhere. And finally we ended up in

686
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 8: the Hollywood buld in Hollywood, California, and those little kids

687
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 8: walked us right into Motown Records.

688
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 3: One of the interesting things about your story of going

689
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 3: solo wasn't you going I Am going to go solo.

690
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 3: It was the awkward predicament of them saying to you

691
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 3: and your band, you guys are now just going to

692
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 3: follow Lionel, and it put you in a very weird.

693
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 2: Place, ladies and gentlemen.

694
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 8: I was perfectly happy being a member of the Commodores

695
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 8: and had no thought in my life to leave this band.

696
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 8: In fact, I wrote, I think somewhere in the book,

697
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 8: thank God for the Commodores, because without them I would

698
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 8: never have been Lionel Richie.

699
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 2: That is a true story.

700
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 8: These guys, this is not a band now. This is

701
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 8: a group of brothers I never had before. A group

702
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 8: of brothers that didn't grow up on a university campus.

703
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 8: These brothers grew up in real life. Milon Williams Mississippi,

704
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,919
Speaker 8: Clyde the Drummer, and Tommy that's Florida. I'm not talking

705
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 8: about the ritzie side of Florida.

706
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 2: I'm talking about Florida.

707
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 8: Okay, And so when I tell you William King, Birmingham, Alabama.

708
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 8: They taught me more stuff that I had no idea

709
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 8: what survival was until I heard their story. But more importantly,

710
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 8: they taught me that I can be me. I heard

711
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 8: terrifying words from these guys, Lionel, bend over on the

712
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 8: stage and kiss that girl on the front Oh. And

713
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 8: I said to them, in my grandmother, mother and father's training,

714
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 8: I don't know the girl on the front row. And

715
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 8: they said, fool, will you just bend over and kiss

716
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 8: that damn girl on the front row. And so finally

717
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 8: I found enough guts in my heart to bend over

718
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 8: and kiss that girl on the front row.

719
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 2: There was such a scream.

720
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 8: In this huge arena that the problem the Commodore has

721
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 8: had from that point on was Lionel quit kissing the

722
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 8: girls and sing the damn song.

723
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 2: I had discovered.

724
00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 8: Sexy, you understand, So everybody thinks for a moment, the

725
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 8: Lionel broke out being the lover he was when he

726
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 8: was growing up and decided he's gonna go solo. I

727
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 8: did not want to go solo. I had the band,

728
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 8: I had everything I needed, all I needed to do

729
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 8: is just stay in the band. By this time I

730
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 8: discovered I could write. By this time, I didn't have

731
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 8: to play the saxophone too long because I had to

732
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 8: be able to sing more than I could play the sacks.

733
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 8: This is good news. Now came the problem reviews. Everything

734
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 8: was fine until Lady. Now they know me as the writer,

735
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 8: and they don't know the rest of the guys, but

736
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 8: they know Lionel Riches and the Commodores, and.

737
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 2: He wrote Lady.

738
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 8: So now you go back to the band to do

739
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 8: interviews on behalf of the band, and here are the questions.

740
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 8: Lionel tell us when you started the Commodorees, tell us

741
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 8: how you did it?

742
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 2: Well? I didn't start the book. I mean we started

743
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 2: with the coming Lionel, how does it feel being the

744
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 2: front man? This is not good? And then finally the ultimate.

745
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 8: Madison Square Gardens and then finally Lionel Richie's set down

746
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 8: to the piano and played his songs.

747
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 2: Here's the line that stabbed everybody in the in the chest.

748
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 8: What's the guy like Lionel Richie doing in the funk

749
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 8: band like the Commodorees. Now try to go back to rehearsal.

750
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 8: After that, and that is not where you want to be.

751
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 8: So from that point on, I felt this okay, and

752
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 8: no matter what I tried to do, no matter how

753
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 8: I tried to do it, no matter if I stay

754
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 8: on the road longer.

755
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 2: But also was coming at the same time.

756
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 8: Was after three times, a Lady, after Ceylon, after got it,

757
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 8: and then Lady came out. The checks were coming in.

758
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 8: You know what keeps a band together the word equal.

759
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 8: It was not equal, and so it became. And I

760
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 8: believe me, I'm telling you, I knew what was happening.

761
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 2: I just was in denial.

762
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 8: But it was the hardest thing and I know eventually

763
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 8: that something had to happen, and it did.

764
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 2: I had to leave the Commodore's.

765
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 3: I want to talk about songs specifically, and let's bounce

766
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 3: around through some songs. And Lady is so interesting to

767
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 3: me because I love Kenny Rodgers.

768
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:56,919
Speaker 12: Yep.

769
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 3: It's like I got to know him a little bit

770
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 3: before he passed away a few years. Loved him, and

771
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 3: you know, he's known for that song that you wrote,

772
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 3: but it really wasn't Lady. You had it as like

773
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 3: baby and you and he was just telling you a

774
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 3: story and you're like, yep, it's a lady.

775
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 8: No, everybody, you have to understand something. You want to

776
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 8: be embarrassed and you want to get mad. Every guy

777
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 8: in the Commodorees would bring in ten songs for the album,

778
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 8: and each one of us thought that their ten songs

779
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 8: was the ten that should be.

780
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 2: On the album. So you do.

781
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 8: You don't need to finish the song totally, because all

782
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 8: you had to do is play and here's the first song.

783
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 2: Nope, all right, here's my second song. You know, so

784
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 2: you don't write, you don't finish crap. You just hit

785
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 2: the head of it, Go to the verse, go to

786
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 2: the hook. They like it great. Kenny Rogers said.

787
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 8: Called me on the phone one day and said, I

788
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 8: want one of those ballads.

789
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 2: You got one? And I said, yeah, I got one,

790
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 2: and he said I want you.

791
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 8: How fast can you get me the song? I said, well,

792
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 8: I got a problem. I'm on my way on tour.

793
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 8: We are just finishing up the album.

794
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 2: And now, of.

795
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 8: Course I had a song called Baby for the Commodore's album,

796
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 8: and they said to me when I walked in, we

797
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 8: don't want another love song.

798
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 2: And I said, okay, that's pretty clear.

799
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 8: So I decided to write a gospel song, and I wrote,

800
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 8: Jesus is love?

801
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 2: Now all right, I got Jesus's love.

802
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 8: I am not going to be able to do this

803
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 8: with Kenny because we're going on tour. I said, when

804
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 8: I get back off a tour, toun Kenny, I'll call you.

805
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 2: And we got it, no problem. Two weeks later, we're

806
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 2: about to go on tour. The drummer Clyde.

807
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 8: Why he bought a motorcycle, I'll never know his hope

808
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 8: drummers and motorcycles. I'll never figure fell off of his

809
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 8: motorcycle and now has to be off the road for

810
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:32,240
Speaker 8: a month and a half maybe two months. Tours canceled

811
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 8: and pushback. I called Kenny on the phone and said,

812
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 8: you want that song?

813
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: He says, I do.

814
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 8: I said, I'm available, because that's Kenny Rogers. You returned

815
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 8: his phone call, you see, And so he said meet

816
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 8: me in Vegas. I get to Vegas and there he

817
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 8: is in the dressing room, bigger than life, and he

818
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 8: starts telling me this story. He says, you know I

819
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 8: just got married. I said, congratulations, I heard that. He says,

820
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 8: you know I'm married.

821
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 2: A lady.

822
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 8: I mean, I'm from Houston, Texas, and I don't know

823
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 8: why on earth that. I mean, Marianne is so refined.

824
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 8: I have no business being with a lady. This lady

825
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 8: is so amazing, linel she does things that I would

826
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 8: have never just taste, I've never seen. He went on,

827
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 8: this lady, this lady. He said, By the way, what's

828
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 8: the name of the song you wrote for me?

829
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 15: I said, lady, he ain't stupid. The brother ain't stupid, baby, lady,

830
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 15: same damn thing right now.

831
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 2: He's excited because it's right on the story. He wants

832
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 2: to talk about it, all right now, let me hear it.

833
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 8: Wow, now this is commodore pitching one O one lady.

834
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 8: I'm your nine and shining Ama, and I love you.

835
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 2: You have made me when I am I am.

836
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 16: Your should it should have charged more Money's.

837
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 2: All right, it's all right. It was just that quiet.

838
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: And Kenny said, what's next?

839
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 8: And I said, you like it? He says, I think

840
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 8: it's brilliant. What comes next? I said, what if you

841
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 8: like it, I'll finish it.

842
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 2: And that's the big ending up, lady.

843
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 3: The places that songs come from could be purposeful or

844
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 3: could be rare.

845
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 2: Can we take up a collection something that happened?

846
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 3: That's all right, the more you sing, the more Yeah, yeah,

847
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 3: if I got it, hey, hey hey hey, hey, hey

848
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 3: hey hey hey. Nothing felt as random to me as hello.

849
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 2: How that song came to be?

850
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 8: There are things what I love most about writing. It's

851
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 8: got to be simple. If it ain't simple, you won't

852
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 8: remember it, neither will I. And when you have a

853
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 8: d D you need it simple.

854
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 2: All right now.

855
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 8: I was playing around with my co producer, James Anthony.

856
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 2: Carmichael, and.

857
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 8: He was late, and when he walked in, I said, Hello,

858
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 8: is it me you're looking for? We need more money, man,

859
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 8: we got to get more money anyway. He said, the

860
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 8: damnedest thing I'd ever heard in life.

861
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 2: Finished that song and I said, wait, wait, wait, wait wait,

862
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: I said.

863
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 8: James, that's the corniest line I've ever heard in my life. Hello,

864
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 8: is it me you're looking for? Can't be a song?

865
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 8: He says, I'm telling you. Finish the song, brother Richie,

866
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 8: You've got something. And I went back and reluctantly I

867
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 8: put some chords to it, wrote the damn song.

868
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 2: He said, Let's record it.

869
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 8: I said, James, I'll be laughed out of the business

870
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 8: with Hello, is it me you're looking for? He said,

871
00:45:54,200 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 8: Let's record it all right. We record the song USh

872
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 8: Lush Lush Strings. It was just it was just amazing,

873
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 8: and then I loved it and he hated it.

874
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 2: Why it's too heavy. It's too heavy.

875
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 8: So I went off somewhere and wrote a song to

876
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 8: kick ladies ass, excuse me Hello's ass, and wrote Truly.

877
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 8: Now now wait now it gets it gets it gets

878
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:39,919
Speaker 8: scared before it gets good.

879
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 2: Now I'm sitting there and I have Truly. And we

880
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 2: threw some more songs off the record.

881
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:58,760
Speaker 8: Do I throw off Hello and replace it with Truly?

882
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Speaker 8: Or do I keep Hello and put it out? At

883
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Speaker 8: the same time, we threw another song off because it

884
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Speaker 8: was just too risque, Call All Night Long. I ain't

885
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 8: gonna sing that.

886
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 2: That takes too long.

887
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 8: But the point was to show you the insanity was

888
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 8: I was trying.

889
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 5: You know.

890
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:33,760
Speaker 8: My whole concept was, how do I get people's attention.

891
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 2: You have to do something crazy. I ain't taking on my.

892
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 8: Clothes, so I gotta shock you with something that you

893
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 8: ain't ready for. And so I wrote this Calypso song,

894
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 8: and it's got the feeling and that thought. Okay, it

895
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 8: was just too long and it was too much stuff

896
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 8: and it had too many layers, so we threw this off.

897
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 8: I'm walking down the hall one day at the studio.

898
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 8: This music is playing in the second thing. Oh my god,

899
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 8: it's just kicking and the thing is happening, and I

900
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Speaker 8: decided just to make sure I have that uptempo song covered.

901
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 8: I wrote Running with the Knight to cover in case

902
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 8: we don't need All Night Long, Okay, to make a

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Speaker 8: long story short.

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Speaker 2: Truly was the first single.

905
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 8: Truly was also my first Grammy.

906
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 9: Hello.

907
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 2: We threw off the album the very last minute.

908
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 8: We put All Night Long on and Running with the Night,

909
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 8: and that was the national anthem of my life story. Hello,

910
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 8: All Night Long, Running with the Night, Get out of town.

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00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 10: The Bobby Cast will be right back. Welcome back to

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Speaker 10: the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 3: At number seven of our top ten of the year

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Speaker 3: is Dave Ramsey episode five forty two. We talked a

915
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 3: lot of things money. It's crazy he was once three

916
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 3: million dollars in debt and filing for bankruptcy and now

917
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 3: he's super successful and he's a money expert. But a

918
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Speaker 3: lot of that's because of what he went through.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 3: We talked about the worst financial advice out there, and

921
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 3: a lot more. Here's Dave Ramsey at number seven. What's

922
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 3: like common financial advice that's wrong?

923
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 12: Most everything on TikTok.

924
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 17: Yeah, TikTok is, like you know, in the years was

925
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 17: that let me think it was in the eighties and

926
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 17: even up into the nineties, there were these things on

927
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 17: midnight on television on the cable TV at midnight infomercials,

928
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 17: and you would watch some guy sitting by the waves

929
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 17: and he had done nothing down real estate and buy

930
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 17: and sell real estate and flip this house and all

931
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 17: that kind of thing, and you could buy his tape

932
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 17: set for three thousand dollars and learn how to get

933
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Speaker 17: rich in real estate and those kinds of doing the

934
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 17: stuff I did to get to go broke. You see

935
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Speaker 17: exactly how you would do it.

936
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Speaker 7: What about time shares?

937
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 17: Are those that it's the legalized fraud, but the uh.

938
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Speaker 7: It's horrible, so there's no good to it.

939
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 17: There's no good to timeshares. Timeshares are nasty and the

940
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 17: whole the people in the industry are unbelievably scummy. It

941
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 17: is a nasty world. But anyway, the so that a

942
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 17: lot of them flip this house stuff on TikTok is

943
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 17: all over the place, or a lot of crypto stuff

944
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Speaker 17: on TikTok, A lot of most of us kind of

945
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 17: get rich quick vibe. It's like, you know, I'm looking

946
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 17: at you're looking for an easy button. I got an

947
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 17: easy button. I'll show you an easy button for thirty

948
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 17: four and twenty two dollars. If you follow my system,

949
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Speaker 17: you can buy and sell stocks day trade stocks, which

950
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 17: ninety seven percent of the people that day trade stocks

951
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 17: lose money in a six months period of time.

952
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 12: Really, isn't that crazy?

953
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 3: That's exceptionally high. I thought it would be more than

954
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Speaker 3: fifty for sure, but I.

955
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Speaker 17: Would be It's just like it's a one hundred percent

956
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:56,760
Speaker 17: chance of losing money.

957
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 12: It's like nuts.

958
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 17: I mean, you have a better shot at the roulette mathematically, statistically,

959
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 17: So it's crazy. And the difference is in the roulette.

960
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 17: We'll at least you know you're taking a chance. But

961
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 17: on the day trading, they think they got the system.

962
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 17: They bought the system off some gout on TikTok, and

963
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 17: he rented a jet and then filmed it like he

964
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 17: owned the jet and I got a jet, and yeah, right,

965
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 17: what you got is a bunch of crap. But how

966
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 17: do you feel like crypto? I don't buy anything that

967
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 17: is a commodity, and so I don't buy barrels of

968
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 17: oil off of the commodities market. I don't buy gold,

969
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 17: I don't buy soybeans. I don't buy the deutsch Mart

970
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 17: or the Euro. Those are currencies, and crypto's acurrency, and

971
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 17: it's a commodity. And so I buy things that generate money,

972
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 17: and that way I can actually place a value on them.

973
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 17: And that would be like a company. An example that'd

974
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 17: be buying a stock. I don't buy single stocks by

975
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 17: my mutual funds. But a company that's home depot's making money.

976
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 17: You can look at the numbers. It's actually producing something.

977
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 17: It's not just a thing. A commodity is just a thing,

978
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 17: and the only reason that a thing goes up in

979
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 17: value is shortages or perceived shortages. Greed and fear drive

980
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,240
Speaker 17: the markets. And that's why, uh, that's why crypto. Crypto

981
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 17: doesn't actually produce anything. It's just a currency. It's not

982
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 17: a bad it's nothing necessarily evil about it. It's a

983
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 17: very young currency, doesn't have a long track record, and

984
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 17: the trucker that it does have is very volatile. So

985
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 17: it's really scary. But all the cool kids are doing it,

986
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:34,439
Speaker 17: and so that's why everybody's in it. But I don't

987
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 17: have anything, and I don't I'm gonna put money and

988
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,280
Speaker 17: stuff like that because you know, like we said earlier,

989
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 17: kind of trauma.

990
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 12: I don't. I don't like losing money. I don't like gambling.

991
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 12: I don't. I don't play cards.

992
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 5: You don't gamble on it.

993
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 12: I don't, don't damn them. I don't do anything.

994
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 17: My wife will put some quarters in a slot machine

995
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 17: or something like that, but a lot of my buddies

996
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 17: play poker and stuff.

997
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 12: I get zero joy out of that.

998
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 17: It makes my stomach go up into my throat and

999
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 17: it is It is not entertaining for me.

1000
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 12: It's not funny.

1001
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 17: It reminds me of trauma and I go down that

1002
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 17: crazy cycle that we're talking about, and so I.

1003
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 12: Don't do it.

1004
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 17: I don't get joy out of losing money. I understand

1005
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 17: how people get a thrill out of the possibility of

1006
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 17: losing money. So like a Michael Jordan is known to do,

1007
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 17: you know, all that kind of stuff that he's got

1008
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 17: the money to do it, that's fine.

1009
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 12: I'm not mad at Michael. It's just I don't. It's

1010
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 12: not fun for me. So I don't.

1011
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,240
Speaker 17: I don't do that, and Crypto's right in that bucket.

1012
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 17: It's the same thing. And so I don't get joy

1013
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 17: out of being a cool kid. I don't get joy

1014
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 17: out of being on the cutting edge and whatever. I

1015
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,240
Speaker 17: just want to buy something that's boring and has always

1016
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 17: gone up in value, like vintage baseball cards versus brand

1017
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 17: new ones.

1018
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 3: What do you love that you don't really talk about

1019
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 3: much because everybody wants to hear you talk about money.

1020
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,439
Speaker 17: I talk about anything I really want to. I don't

1021
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 17: really have any limitations. I really enjoy tea. We coach

1022
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 17: about ten thousand small businesses with our Entree Leadership brand,

1023
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,959
Speaker 17: and I do a podcast called on leadershiphe I'm answering

1024
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 17: questions for small business people, and leadership questions come up

1025
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 17: a lot and running a business questions. And I have

1026
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 17: thoroughly enjoyed the business part of growing our business over

1027
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:14,240
Speaker 17: the years and taking care of our team and loving

1028
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 17: our team well, and.

1029
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:16,760
Speaker 12: The leadership leadership.

1030
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 17: So I do a lot of leadership conferences as a

1031
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 17: keynote speaker or as a business Yeah, I love it.

1032
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 7: I love you.

1033
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 3: You're still in then, so it's not to you. You're

1034
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 3: not just maintaining by doing what everybody expects of you.

1035
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 3: Because you do it well, you still love it.

1036
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 17: Yeah, I thoroughly love it because leadership the difference in

1037
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 17: that And when I help somebody with their money, that's

1038
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 17: a one to one transaction. If I help a guy

1039
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 17: or gal'll be a better leader, that helps fifty people

1040
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 17: because he's leading the one hundred people that they're leading

1041
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 17: and they weren't doing as good a job and now

1042
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 17: they're doing a great job. So that's got to force

1043
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 17: multiplier to it. That's pretty cool.

1044
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 3: Leadership is interesting, especially when you have to lead multiple

1045
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 3: people with different personalities.

1046
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, you know.

1047
00:54:58,200 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 3: I think one of the things because people in mind

1048
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 3: industry and podcasting or radio will come to me and say, hey,

1049
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 3: how do you manage different personality than I say, differently. Yeah,

1050
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 3: I think there's not a one size fit all leadership method.

1051
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 3: Everybody must do this this way. I was going to

1052
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 3: ask if you subscribe to that same theory.

1053
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 12: I agree, I agree completely.

1054
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:19,879
Speaker 17: Now what you do have to have is some principles

1055
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 17: involved that apply to regardless of your personality. The principles are, well,

1056
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 17: you have to get our work done, hello on time.

1057
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 17: Aude principles are we have to and from the leadership position.

1058
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 17: Bosses push, leaders pull, and so regardless of personality style,

1059
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 17: my job is to sell them, to teach them. Hey,

1060
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 17: the train's going this way. The train's going to a

1061
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 17: shiny place. You want to be on the train. Here's

1062
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 17: the train. Get on the train instead of standing behind

1063
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 17: them with a whip. Because if your organization is being

1064
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 17: pushed rather than pulled, it's always moving at the speed

1065
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 17: of the slowest common denominator, and it grinds to a

1066
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 17: halt pretty quick because we're waiting on the do fists

1067
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 17: at the end that won't keep up, and we're you

1068
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 17: know that that doesn't work.

1069
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 3: I've always felt that hiring energy and attitude massive for

1070
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,760
Speaker 3: me as far as like having successful hires that maybe

1071
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 3: they didn't know as much in a certain area as

1072
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 3: someone else that I was talking to. But it's so

1073
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 3: much easier to have to slow somebody down than to

1074
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:17,760
Speaker 3: push them faster.

1075
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,800
Speaker 17: Absolutely that in character. Yeah, Yeah, I got to be

1076
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:23,240
Speaker 17: a dependable human.

1077
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 3: Being on our show, The Morning Show. The hours are Weird,

1078
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 3: still very hard. It sucks and forever, and I wrote

1079
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,879
Speaker 3: about it my first book, If You Were One Minute Late,

1080
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 3: you got set home, and it wasn't because you had

1081
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 3: to be there at exactly that time. It was because

1082
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 3: everybody else got there before the deadline time.

1083
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 12: Yep.

1084
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 3: And by you not getting there, that shows that you

1085
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 3: feel like your time's a little more important than everybody else.

1086
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:48,879
Speaker 12: Yep.

1087
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 3: And that's an art. That's when it starts to get

1088
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:51,959
Speaker 3: toxic within the group.

1089
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 17: When I was in my twenties, I was very important,

1090
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 17: I thought, and I was going. I had nine I

1091
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 17: was a plate spinner. I had plate spinning everywhere, all

1092
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 17: these different deals I was always doing, had deals, deals, deals, deals, deals, deals,

1093
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 17: and I was perpetually late for everything because I was

1094
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 17: so important and so I but I ended up going.

1095
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 17: I was sitting down with this guy that was going

1096
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 17: to do an investment in one of our real estate projects,

1097
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 17: and a very wealthy guy CEO, and I come in

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Speaker 17: fifteen minutes late, and he goes, you're late. He said, yeah,

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Speaker 17: I got all this going on. He goes, You're really important,

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00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 17: aren't you, And I'm like, well that, yeah, No, I

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00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 17: don't mean no, but I mean he goes, no. You understand,

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00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 17: when you come in here late, you are saying to me,

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00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 17: I'm not as important as everything else you have going on.

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00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 17: If you named a rock star or you named a

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00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 17: world figure that you wanted to meet with, and you

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00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 17: had a meeting with them, you would be early, regardless

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00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 17: of how all the other things you had going on.

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00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 17: But you're late to meet with me, and it says

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00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 17: to me that I'm not important. That's arrogance. He just

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00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 17: chastised me. You know what, I don't think I've ever

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00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 17: been late. After that one conversation, it hurt my feelings

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00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 17: so bad. He was so right, and I said, this

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00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 17: is arrogance. It is arrogance. It's exactly what it is.

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Speaker 17: And so no I train we around Ramsey, we just

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00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 17: say trains run on time.

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Speaker 12: Trains run on time.

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00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 17: And you know we're broadcasters too, so we're looking at

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00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 17: the clock and you know you don't have to hit

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Speaker 17: the clock. I was speaking at a church the other

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Speaker 17: day and they have like four services, and so they

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Speaker 17: got to get the parking lot turned over.

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Speaker 2: They got it.

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Speaker 17: It's like he goes, guy goes, you got thirty four minutes,

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Speaker 17: you don't have thirty five. Put the clock up and

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00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:26,919
Speaker 17: I'm in at thirty three. Give him an extra minute

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00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 17: to get the parking lot, you know, and he's like,

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00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 17: nobody comes in early. And I'm like, yeah, well you

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00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 17: said that number one, number two. It's how my brain works.

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00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 17: From thirty years after that conversation with that guy chastising me,

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Speaker 17: I'm gonna be early.

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00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 12: I'm going to hit the clock.

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Speaker 3: I got like three more questions for you, and I

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00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 3: want to go to Financial Peace University. Do you has

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00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 3: that modified itself with as technology changes?

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Speaker 7: Have you had to change elements of that?

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00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 12: Absolutely?

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00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 17: And the church world has changed. It was largely taught

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00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 17: in churches. Fifty thousand churches have had ten million people

1140
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 17: go through it. That's the size it was and it is.

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00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 17: But the number of churches that meet during the week

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00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 17: like a Tuesday night to do a marriage class or

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00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 17: a money class almost zero.

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00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 12: Now that has shifted.

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00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 17: Pre COVID, it was already going down, but COVID just

1146
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 17: put a stake in it ended it. And so the

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00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 17: way people do church has changed dramatically in the last decade.

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00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 12: And that was you know, for.

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00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 17: Better or for worse was our distribution method for that thing.

1150
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 17: So yeah, we went to digital. What is happening right

1151
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 17: now that is very exciting is we have woven the

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00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 17: teaching pieces then do this, don't do this into the

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00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 17: every Dollar app, and so that as people are running

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00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 17: their budgets, they're getting prompts of videos and we're teaching

1155
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 17: them the same material inside the thing in digitally. And

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00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 17: the success rate of that is crazy good. It's probably

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Speaker 17: better than when we were doing an analog. And it's

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00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 17: just in the early stages, but all of our beta

1159
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 17: testing and stuff, we're going, we're doing to release in

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Speaker 17: a three weeks the next version of every Dollar and

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Speaker 17: it's but that's the methodology that we've shifted to to

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Speaker 17: go to digital.

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Speaker 3: With like Ramsey Plus, because again that is so technological.

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Speaker 3: And I find myself and I'm a forties starting to

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Speaker 3: go like, well, I don't quite get that. Do you

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Speaker 3: have Do you have a whole younger like twenties and

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Speaker 3: thirties that come in and go, hey, this is what

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Speaker 3: we're gonna do and this is how it's consumed.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, well the yeah, exactly, because who is it. I'm

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Speaker 17: I'm My target audience is not me. I'm sixty five. Yeah,

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01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 17: I'm not the focus group, not even close. And so

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Speaker 17: the target audience is thirty four year old with two kids.

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01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 17: And I got student loan debt, they got credit card debt,

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01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 17: they got car payment, and they feel stuck. And the

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Speaker 17: one thing they fight about most in their marriage is money.

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01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 17: And so we've got the antidote for their life. We

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01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 17: can fix it. We've just got to figure out way

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Speaker 17: to inject it. And to your point, the gen Z's

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Speaker 17: and millennials are are two wonderful generations to have on

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Speaker 17: your team. I've got about six hundred in those two

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Speaker 17: generations working for us out of eleven hundred and maybe

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Speaker 17: seven hundred actually out of eleven hundred. But they are

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Speaker 17: abundance mentality because they grew up with this magic wand

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Speaker 17: in their hand and they can just push a button

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Speaker 17: and stuff shows up on their front porch, and so

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Speaker 17: why couldn't I just push a button and fix this?

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01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 17: And so they believe almost anything's possible in the creation

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Speaker 17: of a product, the delivery of product, or the effect

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Speaker 17: of a product, a digital product. And so they're to

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Speaker 17: have those people in a room with that mentality and

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Speaker 17: that spirit while you're building out.

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Speaker 12: Something like this.

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Speaker 17: You can't you can't do it if you don't have them,

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Speaker 17: because it's native to their brain. It's not native to

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Speaker 17: my brain. My brain's native to eight track tapes, for

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Speaker 17: God's sake, you know, so the but I can catch

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Speaker 17: up if I force my intellect to do it. But

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Speaker 17: it's not my natural state, it's their natural state. The

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Speaker 17: only downside they've got and the generation is because they've

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Speaker 17: got this magic wand they have no patience.

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Speaker 12: They want it right now. They want everything microwave.

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Speaker 17: They don't want to crockpot anything, and so if something

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01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 17: doesn't work in about twenty minutes, they want to change

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01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 17: it immediately, Like, no, let's just stick with it a minute,

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01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 17: let's cook it a little bit. Probably it could tender up.

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01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 17: I think it's going to be okay. Let let's not

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Speaker 17: give up on everything so fast. But iterate, iterate, iterate, iterate. Yeah,

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Speaker 17: well we're going to iterate. But you know so the

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Speaker 17: old dog can drag them through that stuff and you

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Speaker 17: end up with this wonderful working situation when you're creating

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Speaker 17: products like that.

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Speaker 3: When couples are fighting about money, does like Amazon purchases,

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Speaker 3: is that a big part of it. They're just like

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Speaker 3: one of them's ordering a lot of stuff to the house.

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Speaker 17: You know, generally it's they don't they're not working together

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01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 17: and there's not a lot of transparency. One of them

1217
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 17: is doing stuff the other one don't even know about.

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Speaker 17: They're not necessarily hiding it. Sometimes they are. But it's

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01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 17: like the wife is handling the money and she just

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Speaker 17: gives her husband an allowance or vice versa, and then

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Speaker 17: then all of a sudden they look up and they go, well,

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Speaker 17: I just I want a new car. Well, we I

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Speaker 17: mean money for a new car. We got all this

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Speaker 17: credit card debt? Why we got credit card debt? Well,

1225
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 17: because you keep spending. Well, nobody said anything, and there

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01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 17: was just this. It's disorganized, it's chaotic, and it's not

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Speaker 17: a top down strategy for laying it all out together.

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Speaker 17: We both agree to it, we both implement it, and

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Speaker 17: there's tons of communication about our values while we do that,

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Speaker 17: and that causes a couple to be knit together and unified.

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Speaker 17: And the opposite of that is when you have all

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Speaker 17: this chaos, disorganization and there's money flying everywhere. It's inefficient

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Speaker 17: for the money piece, but it's disastrous from the relationship standpoint.

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Speaker 7: What about shared checking accounts?

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Speaker 12: One hundred percent?

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Speaker 17: I have to yeah, and again it's databased. Okay, this

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01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 17: idea that you can have a roommate and be married

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01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 17: to them, and you have two separate lives and that

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Speaker 17: causes success.

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Speaker 12: There's no data to support that.

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01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 17: Again, go back to the millionaire study we did with

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Speaker 17: ten thousand, one and sixty seven of them, eighty nine

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01:03:54,400 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 17: percent said I worked very closely with high community cation

1244
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 17: with my spouse to get here. When you interview the public,

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01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:08,919
Speaker 17: forty percent say that and they're broke, and so there's

1246
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Speaker 17: a there's causation and correlation right there. There's statistical on that.

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Speaker 17: That data is solid, and so you know, the couples

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Speaker 17: that work together have higher quality marriage, higher happiness factor

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Speaker 17: when they're doing marriage surveys, higher likelihood of staying together,

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Speaker 17: and a much more efficient use of the money. So

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01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 17: you build weal faster. It's very simple. Instead of I've

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01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 17: got mine, you got yours and you can't. You can't

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Speaker 17: you know you pay your car payment, It's like, what

1254
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 17: do you This is not your college roommate, this is

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Speaker 17: your wife.

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Speaker 10: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor.

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Speaker 1: And we're back on the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 3: One final question, and when I was asking earlier if

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Speaker 3: like things change, because things are changed your book, the

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01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 3: total money makeover, which I'm assuming it's sold so many

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Speaker 3: because it's ever it feels ever green.

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Speaker 12: It is, it's still on the bestseller list.

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Speaker 3: But also are you having to expand it because new

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01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 3: elements are introduced.

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Speaker 12: No, it was principle based.

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01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 17: It wasn't product based, and so they you know, live

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01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 17: on less than you make. You don't need to expand that.

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01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 17: That doesn't change when the digital world takes over. You

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01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 17: still got to live on listen you make so that

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01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 17: you know, being on a written plan, a budget of

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Speaker 17: some kind. Yeah, maybe you're doing it on an app

1272
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 17: versus a yellow pad, but you still you still have

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01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 17: to have a freaking plan and stay and stick to it.

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01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 17: You don't get to Florida unless you have a map Hello,

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01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 17: and so you don't just take off driving and hope

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01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 17: you get there. So those everything in that book is

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01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 17: so principled like that, based on principles, and they're they're evergreen.

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01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 12: And that's why the book has been ever green.

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01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 17: We've updated it, We went back in and changed a

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01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 17: few of the stories, updated the stats. I think we

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Speaker 17: did a twenty year edition the other day or something.

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Speaker 17: Anniversary edition. Yeah, because it's I saw That's why I asked, Yeah,

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01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 17: it's like fifteen million copies or something.

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Speaker 12: That's crazy. It's nuts.

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01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 3: That book, to me reminds me and I alland on

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01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 3: this of Dale Carnegie's book, which I've read many times,

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01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 3: because fundamentally, even though that book was written one hundred

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01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 3: plus years ago, that's all the same, like you want

1289
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 3: to win.

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Speaker 7: Friends, to get people to like you, be successful, like

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Speaker 7: the same fundamentals.

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Speaker 3: Some things have changed with technology with people different abilities,

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01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:25,959
Speaker 3: different utilities, but it's the same.

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Speaker 7: And I feel like that book is that exactly exactly.

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01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 17: It's principles of relationships, how to win friends and influence people.

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Speaker 17: And I sat next to a lady at the I

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01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 17: was over at the ballpark watching my one of my

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Speaker 17: grandkids play ball the other night, and this twenty two

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Speaker 17: year old sitting there reading that book.

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Speaker 7: Saw you just saw it randomly.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, she's just sitting there in them stands reading that book.

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01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 17: She's watching her her little brother or whatever it was

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01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 17: out there, and she's reading that book. As I said,

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Speaker 17: how old are you and she said, I'm twenty two.

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Speaker 17: And I said, it's very cool that you're reading that.

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Speaker 17: That book will change your life. And she's like, what,

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Speaker 17: thank you?

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01:06:57,640 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 7: Did she know that? Was you saying that to her?

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Speaker 12: I don't know what.

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Speaker 7: You never said, because I wrote that book.

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01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 12: No, no, not mine, Dale Carnegie.

1312
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 7: Oh, I thought you were talking.

1313
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 12: About No no, no, no, no no no.

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01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 7: Did you think he was talking about his non? I

1315
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 7: thought he was talking about his should have said I

1316
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 7: wrote that.

1317
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 17: No, my face would be on the front of that one.

1318
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 17: You know that would be hard to get away from.

1319
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 10: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor.

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Speaker 10: This is the Bobby cast.

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Speaker 3: Brooks and Done is on the list at number six.

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Speaker 3: I've been lucky enough to sit down with Brooks and

1323
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:33,919
Speaker 3: Done a couple of times. This one felt extremely real

1324
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 3: and raw because they opened up on whether they still

1325
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 3: like each other and how they've continued to get along

1326
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 3: even decades after. They also talked about the impact RIBA

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Speaker 3: had on them getting back together as a duo. Here's

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Speaker 3: Brooks and Done from episode five twenty one.

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Speaker 5: What's the most accidental, random part.

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Speaker 3: Of all of this success when you go, holy crap,

1331
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 3: I can't believe that happened, because this happened.

1332
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 18: I think probably the fact that actually in two thousand

1333
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 18: there was a real good chance we were sick of

1334
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 18: each other.

1335
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 19: To the point that we were really talking about we've

1336
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 19: had enough.

1337
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:16,799
Speaker 18: You know, we were using different producers whatever, sending files

1338
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 18: back and forth.

1339
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 6: We kind of I don't think it was sick, of

1340
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:23,719
Speaker 6: which you might you might have to me for interrupted.

1341
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:24,680
Speaker 19: I'm glad to hear you say that.

1342
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 6: I thought, no, it was all about about the music

1343
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 6: we were trying to find. We were trying to find

1344
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 6: it hit a wall and we were trying to find

1345
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:34,599
Speaker 6: something it was a little different. I had a little

1346
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:38,679
Speaker 6: little more different twist or you know, it could punch through.

1347
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:41,720
Speaker 6: At the time, it wasn't the same old sambo. And

1348
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 6: I think we just you know, we're hard headed button heads.

1349
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 6: But nothing. I didn't feel any real tension, no, I

1350
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 6: mean other than you know, we.

1351
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 19: Never raised our voices to get each other in thirty

1352
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 19: five years.

1353
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 6: It was just as searching the right music.

1354
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 18: We'll turn our back on each other and come back

1355
01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 18: when we're done. Poutin and Joglani came in at that

1356
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 18: point and said, guys, I just got back to town.

1357
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 18: Will you make one album for me? And we said okay,

1358
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 18: and made what we thought was a pretty good record.

1359
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 18: He had a song, I guess Ronnie said he might

1360
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 18: might have come to him first. I don't know, but

1361
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 18: whatever the song called nothing About You showed up and

1362
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:22,680
Speaker 18: I finished. Only in America the night before we were

1363
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:25,879
Speaker 18: going to record, and uh we cut those two songs.

1364
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,759
Speaker 18: Nothing about You was number one for six weeks after

1365
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:31,720
Speaker 18: having an album that was basically didn't do anything, and

1366
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 18: only in America it was number one. And in the

1367
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 18: time it was a real dark time because of the

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01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 18: towers coming down and both things.

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Speaker 6: I know nothing about you.

1370
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Speaker 18: So it just kind of everything changed. We're back on

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01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 18: back in the saddle. Here we go again, you know.

1372
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Speaker 6: Which takes us back to It's all about the song.

1373
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 6: And you're right about timing. You know that you were guru.

1374
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 6: You've been around this. You've been around it.

1375
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 5: Still waiting with time doing wait right and catch a break.

1376
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 6: Probably probably the most miraculous things to come out of

1377
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 6: all this chaos along the way is that here we

1378
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:06,840
Speaker 6: sit right now.

1379
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 5: Why do you say that?

1380
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 18: Because we get to do Bobby Bone for your kidding

1381
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 18: all this.

1382
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 6: Time, it's just hey, here we are.

1383
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 5: You know, your dream as young children was the worker

1384
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 5: with meet it.

1385
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 2: We call it a panacle.

1386
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:21,600
Speaker 5: It's like my grandma before she died she said, my

1387
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 5: grandma said, be careful on TikTok, and that hasn't been invanity, your.

1388
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 6: Grandma, my grandmothers is just going in there will there

1389
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:33,280
Speaker 6: will come from the from the woods of Arkansas, young man.

1390
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:34,720
Speaker 5: You will know him.

1391
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:37,919
Speaker 3: Buy his glasses Arkansas.

1392
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 5: No, it's not Buddy Alli.

1393
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:41,440
Speaker 19: No, remember Bobby.

1394
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 5: This Buddy, it's Bobby.

1395
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 3: This room, this space that's changed. The walls are a

1396
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 3: bit different. But there's a recording studio. What happened here

1397
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:51,680
Speaker 3: with you guys.

1398
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 19: Brand new Man first song.

1399
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:58,799
Speaker 18: And a ton of stuff, so much freaking music history,

1400
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 18: from good God Almighty, from Roger Miller to you could

1401
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 18: Merle Haggard, everybody you can think of that's famous in

1402
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:11,520
Speaker 18: country music, Carlen Howard and all just the greatest guitar players,

1403
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:15,679
Speaker 18: the greatest songwriter certainly you know Curly Putman, Green Green

1404
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 18: Grass a home all this.

1405
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 6: This was the most single, most impactful. The largest publishing

1406
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 6: company in the world.

1407
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:24,799
Speaker 19: And the studios where everybody demoed that stuff.

1408
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 3: Was there a respect, a creative respect within yourselves when

1409
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 3: you're working in a place that has all that history.

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01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, June Carter, Like before I even really came

1411
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 6: to town was telling me. She said, you don't need

1412
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 6: a writing deal first, Well, here's how we can we

1413
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:46,719
Speaker 6: build it. And she said, I'd already been to every

1414
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 6: publishing company in town. Donna Hilly at the time with

1415
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:53,759
Speaker 6: Buddy Killing which owned Sony Time, but Donna was running

1416
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 6: called uh and think she was the last publisher that

1417
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:02,680
Speaker 6: we had gone to. Call me in Oklahoma and said, uh,

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01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 6: would you take what was it six hundred dollars a

1419
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 6: week or something, which is a lot of money, Uh,

1420
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 6: to to a retainer to ride and he kicks him

1421
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:15,679
Speaker 6: in here. It's like you're just kind of solidified. Oh man,

1422
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:19,720
Speaker 6: you know, do you come into the biggest, baddest professional

1423
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 6: song publish Yeah.

1424
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 3: The three of us come from similar backgrounds, rural area,

1425
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 3: small towns. I'm gonna ask questions, kind of weird to ask,

1426
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 3: but do you remember when you become a millionaire?

1427
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 6: I remember asking kicks on the bus. We got royalty

1428
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 6: checks like the same day.

1429
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:39,680
Speaker 18: It only came in the mail with two commas on it,

1430
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 18: a number in front of it, like you had a

1431
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:45,080
Speaker 18: paper check. YEA, nothing more fun than in the mail,

1432
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 18: broke on your ass your whole life and walking papers

1433
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:52,719
Speaker 18: check with two commas on it there.

1434
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 19: You know, excuse me, how you need to go talk

1435
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 19: to a manager. Yeah, I might want to go do that.

1436
01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:57,679
Speaker 2: I guess.

1437
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:00,280
Speaker 18: I don't know what I was thinking about checking account thing.

1438
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 19: I got some ideas.

1439
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 6: So we get we get these checks. I opened mine first,

1440
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:05,800
Speaker 6: I don't know for whatever. I didn't know what it

1441
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 6: was and turned up and said, oh, I said, he

1442
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 6: he kicks I just became a millionaire. And he's like, okay,

1443
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 6: so he tears his his opening goes, yeah, me too.

1444
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 3: So I'm scared if I'm holding that paper, you know,

1445
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 3: sign the back of it and then get it to

1446
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 3: a bank.

1447
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 6: I did it. I did it in Brentwood. I said,

1448
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 6: it's the first time and probably last time I walked

1449
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 6: in the bank to do that. And I said, I

1450
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:33,639
Speaker 6: just got to see what they do. You know. If

1451
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 6: I had the teller a million dollar check and I

1452
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 6: handed it to her and she's looking looking down doing something.

1453
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:43,439
Speaker 6: She looked on and she goes, okay, she said you

1454
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 6: need to sign this sign of back, sweetie. So I

1455
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:49,600
Speaker 6: signed it and away it went. And then she hands me

1456
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 6: the receipt and I went home and told Janine, living

1457
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 6: right down the road.

1458
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 12: I told her.

1459
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 6: I said, I went in there and put a million

1460
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 6: dollars in the bank.

1461
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 3: He said, like I was even there.

1462
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 5: Everybody does I.

1463
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 6: Guess billed away? SORRYS has just been in there. They

1464
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 6: keep baking hard for twelve million or something.

1465
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 9: I don't know.

1466
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:08,679
Speaker 5: That's what fun I have.

1467
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 3: This is the this is the original ACM. So is

1468
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 3: this the one you guys got first? This is the style?

1469
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:23,720
Speaker 3: Bring back any memories at all?

1470
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 6: Yeah? Oh yeah, a lot of memories.

1471
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:28,680
Speaker 19: The fun thing was you got to take them with you,

1472
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:29,639
Speaker 19: no way.

1473
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

1474
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 6: We had to worry about packing them in your bag,

1475
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 6: you know, to fly out with them from LA.

1476
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 5: It takes like eight weeks to get them the mail. Now.

1477
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 18: I remember waking up with a slide hangover after that

1478
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 18: night you're talking about when we won two of them,

1479
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:46,120
Speaker 18: and going, god, what happened?

1480
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 19: Oh man, are those things? Did I make it home

1481
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:50,160
Speaker 19: with those things?

1482
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 2: Sure enough?

1483
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 19: They were sitting on a bedside table.

1484
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 18: No, thank god, because I didn't really remember a lot

1485
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 18: of what A few.

1486
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 6: Of them got back A little slight dings, you know.

1487
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 5: Some of them are pretty much good.

1488
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 3: Went to the Country Music Hall of Fame and saw

1489
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 3: all of them together. I mean it's like you're walking

1490
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 3: into freaking jewelry store. Uh where were they before you

1491
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:13,360
Speaker 3: allowed them to hold them?

1492
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:14,880
Speaker 5: Like? Where did you keep them? All?

1493
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 12: Just what?

1494
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:19,479
Speaker 6: I just in the home with Janna and half the

1495
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,680
Speaker 6: time we get on the bus or playing and yours

1496
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 6: with Barbara?

1497
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:25,559
Speaker 19: Where are they stored? I don't know.

1498
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:27,920
Speaker 5: There's so many? Do you storm them? Do you put

1499
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:28,599
Speaker 5: some on the toilet?

1500
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 18: Do you put like I e, I got a home theater,

1501
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:33,600
Speaker 18: you know, at home and it's got it's kind of

1502
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:35,559
Speaker 18: set up when I built it just kind of had

1503
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:37,640
Speaker 18: you know, shells with lighting.

1504
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:40,240
Speaker 5: And stuff, all of them all images there.

1505
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:41,160
Speaker 19: They're just kind of.

1506
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 6: Studio they kind of they were all over the place,

1507
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:49,799
Speaker 6: but they're scattered all over over. That's that's that's the change.

1508
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 5: That's the change.

1509
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:53,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I I don't mean, I have

1510
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:55,639
Speaker 3: a bunch of my self, you know, I just whatever

1511
01:15:56,040 --> 01:16:00,559
Speaker 3: for different reasons for being thank you. It's a minute

1512
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 3: to catch the cowboy hat just a minute though, that

1513
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:05,880
Speaker 3: is art.

1514
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 5: Did you know that was a cowboy hat?

1515
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 2: Okay?

1516
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 5: Get it?

1517
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:10,680
Speaker 3: Back then, I thought I like discovered something a few

1518
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:12,719
Speaker 3: years ago and apparently everybody already knew.

1519
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 6: That was that was that did you see that cowboy hat?

1520
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 5: I thought it was a seagull? A couple a sum

1521
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:23,439
Speaker 5: questions as we're getting into it.

1522
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:26,479
Speaker 3: When you get up and you win your award, do

1523
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:29,559
Speaker 3: you have prepared who you're going to think and who's

1524
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 3: going to say who you're going to think?

1525
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 5: Is that even?

1526
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 6: No, it's one of one of my my biggest regrets.

1527
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 6: I think it's like I get up there and stumb around.

1528
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:38,559
Speaker 6: You always come on with like a good, good line,

1529
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 6: and I should just do what I'm a dude, get out.

1530
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:41,759
Speaker 2: Of your wife.

1531
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 6: Not true, and uh uh yeah, I never think about it.

1532
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 6: I just think it's it's superstitious and bad. Don't expect it.

1533
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 6: You know, you're setting yourself up.

1534
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:55,000
Speaker 5: Did you feel that way with music?

1535
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 6: Though? Superstitious in what way?

1536
01:16:57,640 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 7: I don't know.

1537
01:16:58,040 --> 01:16:59,479
Speaker 5: Song is at number three? Do you talk about it

1538
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:00,160
Speaker 5: being number one?

1539
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 6: Oh?

1540
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:02,680
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah.

1541
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:06,640
Speaker 6: You radio guys were of course, calls a lot of

1542
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:08,000
Speaker 6: don't you don't get mine?

1543
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:10,360
Speaker 5: I don't get mine with any of that, Like, I

1544
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 5: have nothing to do with that.

1545
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:14,559
Speaker 6: No, that's the monthly. Finally, I just had to turn

1546
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:16,280
Speaker 6: that off, you know, because the buddies jump up on

1547
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:18,400
Speaker 6: the bus or you know, co Riders or something and go, hey, man,

1548
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:20,720
Speaker 6: someone's the top five right now. It's like, I don't

1549
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 6: know what it's like.

1550
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 18: There's so many charts. If you look at the right one,

1551
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 18: it's number one somewhere. If it makes it to two

1552
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:28,679
Speaker 18: or three, it's number one somewhere.

1553
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:30,639
Speaker 3: I want to ask you about Entertainer of the Year,

1554
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:32,680
Speaker 3: because you got it three times.

1555
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:33,240
Speaker 11: Uh.

1556
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 3: Now you don't see any non singular artist when entertainer

1557
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 3: of the year.

1558
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 5: Uh.

1559
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 3: You guys want it back to back years and then

1560
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 3: again like a few years later, and mostly want to

1561
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 3: talk about the first time in the last time. But

1562
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 3: let's do the first time they call your name as

1563
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:52,479
Speaker 3: entertainer of the year. What does that feel like?

1564
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:56,520
Speaker 6: Big, big boom, big shot?

1565
01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:57,599
Speaker 5: Was it a shot?

1566
01:17:57,880 --> 01:17:58,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, big shot?

1567
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 19: You know, I don't remember who else, but I know Garth.

1568
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 6: Was center sitting right there. You know. I just gone

1569
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:09,599
Speaker 6: out and romped on the world, and uh.

1570
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:12,759
Speaker 19: And Alan was generally in there, and.

1571
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:17,840
Speaker 6: But I remember looking directly when I got up to

1572
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:19,240
Speaker 6: the second I did it. And Garth were talking about

1573
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:21,680
Speaker 6: it too. He said we made eye contact, and I

1574
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:25,839
Speaker 6: was like, I'm up there with like an oath whatever

1575
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 6: that means. And I went, sorry, man, I'm sorry. We're

1576
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:33,439
Speaker 6: gonna take it anyway.

1577
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:36,639
Speaker 3: Let's talk about the third time that you won, because

1578
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 3: there was a few gap years in between. You go,

1579
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 3: bang bang, back to back years. Me my brain, I

1580
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:45,240
Speaker 3: would go, why I don't want the last few? I'm

1581
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:45,680
Speaker 3: kind of over.

1582
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 5: That's what I would be thinking when it came to that.

1583
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:51,639
Speaker 3: I wonder with you guys you won, did you think

1584
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 3: your minute at that that part was over?

1585
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 12: Yeah?

1586
01:18:55,800 --> 01:19:01,639
Speaker 18: And I think it that it's so liked the one

1587
01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:07,640
Speaker 18: way won recently. It uh, it's you feel like you

1588
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:10,800
Speaker 18: kind of deserved it. Maybe you know, we never had

1589
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 18: I mean, we've always been scared and we've always I

1590
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 18: feel like we're really both pretty damn humble at heart.

1591
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:20,519
Speaker 18: So you've got to have some got to have some

1592
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 18: confidence about what you're doing. But entertainer, you know, it's

1593
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:26,360
Speaker 18: like when you win, it it's like, Okay, was.

1594
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 19: That was that a pat on the back or what?

1595
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 19: Or what?

1596
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 5: You know?

1597
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 18: But then the third time, after a couple of years,

1598
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:37,559
Speaker 18: it's like, maybe maybe that's the one. They're going, Okay,

1599
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:40,559
Speaker 18: you're for real that I get out of here.

1600
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:43,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's just one song.

1601
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 3: Play them out, boys, That's it.

1602
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:48,599
Speaker 7: Entertained.

1603
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 3: Now let's taken care of you. Let's talk about Reba.

1604
01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:55,759
Speaker 3: How did that relationship become so strong?

1605
01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:59,799
Speaker 6: They were when we we first start went out early nineties,

1606
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 6: not one whatever, there were only I think five major

1607
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:11,720
Speaker 6: tours out there, so it would be straight Garth uh events,

1608
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 6: Uhlan and Reba. Yeah, but we're all up in roll

1609
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:22,639
Speaker 6: in Alabama. Yeah, and we got we got picked up

1610
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 6: by to open you know, be the first act of

1611
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:30,840
Speaker 6: three uh by by Ribas Camp and uh you get

1612
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:32,800
Speaker 6: what I think maybe twenty minutes in.

1613
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:33,679
Speaker 5: A small part of the stage.

1614
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:34,559
Speaker 2: That's it.

1615
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:36,280
Speaker 6: She even talked about it. She came back and said,

1616
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:37,800
Speaker 6: you know, when I first started, I was opening for

1617
01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 6: Charlie Daniels and he said, I wore high heels and

1618
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:42,120
Speaker 6: there was grapes right there. I had to walk through

1619
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:46,120
Speaker 6: my toes all the time. But uh so, yeah, I

1620
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:49,040
Speaker 6: mean she just kind of they that she and Narvel

1621
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:54,680
Speaker 6: bunch uh kind of you know, drag us drug us

1622
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 6: along for a while.

1623
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:58,120
Speaker 18: I'll tell you what was cool though, when we started

1624
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 18: hitting the lick, you know, first Cup songs took off

1625
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:02,760
Speaker 18: and whatever, and we were out there and we were

1626
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:07,760
Speaker 18: had a fairly extended deal with them, and Norvely became

1627
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 18: the dressing room one night and said, guys, y'all are

1628
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 18: going to be around for a while and we don't

1629
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 18: want you to hate us. And anyway, they doubled what

1630
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:18,240
Speaker 18: they were paying us at the time. I won't say

1631
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 18: what that was, but it was like what a million.

1632
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:26,400
Speaker 19: The record company gave us that one.

1633
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:30,320
Speaker 18: But anyway, it was pretty cool that they said, you know,

1634
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 18: we just you know, you guys are legit and we

1635
01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 18: definitely got a good deal on it, too good of

1636
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:41,800
Speaker 18: a deal. So you know, here's a little kiss.

1637
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:42,720
Speaker 6: That's a class move.

1638
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:44,720
Speaker 5: What's the human riba like?

1639
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 6: She's a she's she's a lot like what you see

1640
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:55,360
Speaker 6: she is there's she's a cowgirl. She's never sat still.

1641
01:21:55,960 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 6: Her mother set calls for that. She bounce her, she's

1642
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 6: she just doesn't stop. She's relentless that what she does.

1643
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 6: You know.

1644
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 19: She's funny too, and loves to play board games.

1645
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 18: I mean literally, we're in Vegas, you know, to go

1646
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:13,120
Speaker 18: on top of the stage waving at the crowd, goodbao

1647
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:15,599
Speaker 18: on their feet whatever. As soon as that curtain comes together,

1648
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 18: he goes, y'all want to play Ruby cuebe tonight?

1649
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:22,840
Speaker 7: Okay, So because she knows. She plays it.

1650
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 18: Every night, So you can half ass play Ruby Cube

1651
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 18: unless you're something wrong.

1652
01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 6: With It's like Trivia Pursuit when you played fifty thousand

1653
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:31,759
Speaker 6: times in you all the answers. Yeah, like a long

1654
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:33,200
Speaker 6: day for the stile of the table.

1655
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 3: I want to ask you about two legacies, and I

1656
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:38,559
Speaker 3: would wrap this up the Brooks and Dune legacy.

1657
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:41,599
Speaker 5: What's it gonna be? What did you want it to be?

1658
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:49,959
Speaker 6: A series of good songs, lasting songs that are classics

1659
01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 6: that you can listen to. You know, we all usually

1660
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 6: used to say that, use the word longevity, you know,

1661
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:58,120
Speaker 6: but just that kind of the music. Let the music

1662
01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:01,160
Speaker 6: define you. You know, there's there's I mean, we work

1663
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:04,799
Speaker 6: on image and stuff like that just as crazy as anybody.

1664
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:06,760
Speaker 6: You know. We took everything west of Mississippi, went to

1665
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:09,240
Speaker 6: the desert, you know, and chased all that that look.

1666
01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:12,679
Speaker 6: But at the at the end of the day, it's

1667
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:15,680
Speaker 6: it's the songs blat out is you know.

1668
01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:20,120
Speaker 18: The thing that's craziest to me at this point with

1669
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:21,200
Speaker 18: sort of this.

1670
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:25,599
Speaker 19: Here we go again, you know, and I've.

1671
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 18: Said it for lack of a better description, when people go,

1672
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:31,280
Speaker 18: what do you think is happening with you guys right now,

1673
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 18: and you know you're selling everything out that I go.

1674
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:36,839
Speaker 18: It really feels like because I didn't find Willie Nelson

1675
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:39,400
Speaker 18: till I was in college, when he'd.

1676
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:41,840
Speaker 19: Already had a really cool career.

1677
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 18: In Nashville and written a lot of classic songs that

1678
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:47,679
Speaker 18: are still there, I didn't know. I hadn't heard really

1679
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:50,799
Speaker 18: heard of Willie Nelson. I like Merle Haggard and George Jones,

1680
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:54,799
Speaker 18: and but I was real close to the Willie picnics

1681
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:57,360
Speaker 18: and went him and whale and came went and kicked

1682
01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:00,439
Speaker 18: the door down. I'm like, that was We're taking road

1683
01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:02,760
Speaker 18: trips down to Austin and getting in the middle of

1684
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:06,160
Speaker 18: it with another forty thousand drunks, going this is the

1685
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:08,040
Speaker 18: funnest stuff in the world, and that guy is so

1686
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,479
Speaker 18: freaking cool. Not to compare us or our music to

1687
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 18: Willie and Whalen in any way other than I think

1688
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:19,240
Speaker 18: a young group of music listeners found him and thought

1689
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 18: that was cool and started sharing that, you know, and

1690
01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:23,519
Speaker 18: I think it's just.

1691
01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:28,799
Speaker 5: It's really it feels great that I look.

1692
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:30,680
Speaker 18: Out in the audience and every night go how many

1693
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:32,559
Speaker 18: all are at your first Brooks and Done shows?

1694
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:33,880
Speaker 19: And watching those hands go up.

1695
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:35,280
Speaker 6: Not before last?

1696
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:36,240
Speaker 12: Was it not for last?

1697
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're at the Houston Rodeo. Seventy one and thirty

1698
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:44,600
Speaker 6: six people. I know, because we're all always competing to

1699
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 6: who has the biggest crowd of the rodeo, And so

1700
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:51,960
Speaker 6: you ask them in the middle of the show, he goes,

1701
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 6: how many of you? Is this your first Brooks and

1702
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:56,200
Speaker 6: Dune show? And it's the Houston Rodeo. We've been there,

1703
01:24:56,240 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 6: like in the Hall of Fame there and I swear

1704
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:06,040
Speaker 6: the whole place erupted. It was like, what what so?

1705
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:08,720
Speaker 3: And that's the legacy that you wanted, the legacy and

1706
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:10,920
Speaker 3: you get to live it now, which is so rare.

1707
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:15,040
Speaker 19: I think the legacy is what Ronnie was saying.

1708
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 18: Because every year we did the craziest stuff we could

1709
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:22,599
Speaker 18: think of on stage, you know, inspired by zz Top

1710
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:24,960
Speaker 18: and a lot of rock bands that were doing you know,

1711
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:28,840
Speaker 18: Garth picked up on that too, but man, a lot

1712
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:30,960
Speaker 18: of things that we stole from rock bands that had

1713
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 18: done this, from the Stones to zz Top, stuff I

1714
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:36,719
Speaker 18: had seen coming up, going.

1715
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:38,760
Speaker 19: Oh we ought to do something like it. And I

1716
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:39,919
Speaker 19: won't even get into.

1717
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:42,080
Speaker 18: All that, but just we tore up stuff and just

1718
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 18: spent all this money just to see how freaking crazy

1719
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:49,120
Speaker 18: we could be on stage in terms of sets and

1720
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 18: things we could do. Ronnie was always somewhat reserved, thank god,

1721
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:55,320
Speaker 18: or you know, we'd lost completely lost our minds. But

1722
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:58,160
Speaker 18: I really enjoyed that part of it. And at the

1723
01:25:58,240 --> 01:26:01,280
Speaker 18: same time, with all the stupid I was wearing and

1724
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:04,920
Speaker 18: coming up with and all that, the fact that now

1725
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:07,840
Speaker 18: I don't hear anybody talking about it.

1726
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 19: It's we have these giant inflatable women that took four.

1727
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:13,719
Speaker 18: Crew guys behind shaking them on stage because I'd seen

1728
01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 18: the Stones do that. It's it's the coolest thing I

1729
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 18: ever saw us. Probably not so much, but we did

1730
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:19,439
Speaker 18: it well.

1731
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:20,160
Speaker 9: That was a result.

1732
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:22,559
Speaker 6: All this crazy stuff was a result of like you

1733
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:26,479
Speaker 6: said earlier, country country like it got to that rock

1734
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:31,760
Speaker 6: status level. We would play Friday night. Erol Smith would

1735
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:35,559
Speaker 6: play near Chicago, we'd play right behind him next night.

1736
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:38,720
Speaker 6: So you're coming in, you gotta go. We need a

1737
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:41,040
Speaker 6: few more trucks with stuff.

1738
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:45,880
Speaker 2: Okay.

1739
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:48,599
Speaker 3: That was part one of the Top ten. Bobby Cast

1740
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:51,680
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1741
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:55,559
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Speaker 3: would help us as well. Hope you guys have a

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Speaker 3: great week.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production