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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Patriots Draft Countdown, presented by bud Light,

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Speaker 1: joined with Evan Lazar forty th year at the Combine

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Speaker 1: for the NFL here in Indianapolis. Haven't set the scene for.

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Speaker 2: Us since we're here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Today I thought was a really good kickoff to

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Speaker 3: the week here with Elliott Wolf talking to us this morning.

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Speaker 4: And I think at this point in.

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Speaker 3: The combine there's a lot of conversations that are going

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Speaker 3: on behind the scenes that we don't necessarily see. And

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Speaker 3: then as we get into Wednesday and Thursday, the prospects

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Speaker 3: start to arrive, and then it kind of shifts more

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Speaker 3: to the interviews, the medicals, the things that go on

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Speaker 3: at Lucas Oil Stadium later on in the week.

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Speaker 4: But for these couple of days.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of just like a summit of all the

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Speaker 3: decision makers in the NFL are in one place, kind

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Speaker 3: of waiting around until the real action starts, and it's

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Speaker 3: a lot of Frankly, a lot of deals get made

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Speaker 3: at this time of the year.

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Speaker 1: As Evan mentioned, Elliott Wolf met with the media today

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Speaker 1: here at the Convention Center in Indianapol And after that

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Speaker 1: meeting with the press, Elliott joined us for this podcast.

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Speaker 1: Here's a conversation, and we're pleased to be joined by

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Speaker 1: executive vice president of Player Personnel Elliott Wolf, Matt Smith,

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Speaker 1: along with Evan Blazar.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for joining us, Eliot, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Not your traditional travel setup to get to Indianapolis and

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Speaker 1: needs a breeze to get to except for maybe this year.

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Speaker 5: No, I feel bad too, because I was.

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Speaker 6: I was kind of talking tough to my wife the

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Speaker 6: day that y'all there's a storm coming, like, don't worry,

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Speaker 6: I'll just go a day later, you know. And then

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Speaker 6: it ended up being we left a day and a

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Speaker 6: half early six am flight and you know, flew to

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Speaker 6: guys made it too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's always a tough conversation with the missus when

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Speaker 3: you're like, we're gonna have to add an extra full

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Speaker 3: day onto this. But when I saw you there, I

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Speaker 3: was like, all right, we're all in the same boat,

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Speaker 3: so I have no excuse.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to make the drive.

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Speaker 3: But I wanted to ask you just for you personally,

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Speaker 3: I remember sitting here with you a year ago and

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Speaker 3: I not coming off a up to the Super Bowl

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Speaker 3: like we are this year. Just how gratifying has this

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Speaker 3: turnaround and this success been for you? Just on an

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Speaker 6: I think it's been, I mean, obviously tremendously gratifying. I

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Speaker 6: think it's really cool that, you know, when when Mike

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Speaker 6: the coaching staff and the scouting staff and everybody working together,

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Speaker 6: the fact that that we were going to get it

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Speaker 6: flip became pretty apparent pretty quickly. The fact that we

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Speaker 6: did it so quickly is really cool now. And now

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Speaker 6: it's you know, incumbent upon us to try to keep

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Speaker 1: So you mentioned the quickly part, Elliott, I think the

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Speaker 1: fans think we're maybe conventional wisdom suggests their super Bowl

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Speaker 1: they're five weeks behind. That's really not the case. Like

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Speaker 1: this is an ongoing process for you and your staff.

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Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, it's an ongoing process.

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Speaker 6: Really the only thing that we've had to adjust somewhat

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Speaker 5: We started.

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Speaker 6: We flew home from the Super Bowl on Monday and

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Speaker 6: the planning, you know, we know who the free agency

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Speaker 3: You mentioned keeping it going, and I was just wondering,

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Speaker 3: does it change your sort of approach at all that

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Speaker 3: you guys made the Super Bowl last year versus it

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Speaker 3: Brable keeps saying three hundred and seven days, you know,

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Speaker 3: does it change the off season that you guys had

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Speaker 5: I don't think so.

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Speaker 6: I think I think we have to do what's necessary

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Speaker 5: Of players to help support our team.

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Speaker 3: You also have mentioned at the podium edge class maybe

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Speaker 6: Do you kind of see you know, needs on the roster. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I mean I just think increasing the depth throughout. You know,

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Speaker 6: if there's a player that that's out there that we

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Speaker 1: I want to fall upon something that you also said

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Speaker 1: at the podium. Maybe this is just a me thing.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that you bristled, but it's that whole Well,

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Speaker 1: it's not a really good draft this year, this is

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Speaker 1: a down year or anything like that. Like it seems

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Speaker 1: like it's kind of a lazy analysis. When people say

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Speaker 1: that that must offend you. Maybe in some sort of way.

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Speaker 5: It doesn't. It doesn't offend me.

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Speaker 6: I just feel like I hear it every year, right,

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Speaker 6: Like so like when like this is just what it is, right,

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Speaker 6: we have to operate, you know, with the players that

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Speaker 6: far as guys staying in school. Yeah, absolutely, But there's

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Speaker 6: still there's still players. There's still seven rounds. We still

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Speaker 6: So you know, I think it I think it would

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Speaker 6: be making an excuse. Well, you know, if you look

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Speaker 6: we didn't get any good players because the.

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Speaker 5: Draft was bad, I think I think that's I think

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Speaker 5: you're lying.

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Speaker 3: Yourself sticking with the draft that what are the differences

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Speaker 3: and does that kind of increase just the amount of

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Speaker 3: because it's not just two or three guys that are

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Speaker 6: I mean, theoretically, yes, it would increase the amount of

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Speaker 6: you know, when you're picking at four, you're also picking

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Speaker 6: at you know, thirty six or whatever, so you're still

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Speaker 6: looking at all those players anyway, So it doesn't really

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Speaker 5: It's just tougher to predict who's going in front of you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how do you guys do is that? Do you

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Speaker 3: guys do run your own simulations? Like how do you

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I would say, you know, starting really starting at the

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Speaker 6: Senior Bowl and the Combine is kind of the big one,

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Speaker 1: You've got a guy who is under contract. I know,

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Speaker 1: you know, there's not players that you could talk about specifically,

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Speaker 1: but Christian Gonzalez is under contract. There's an opportunity probably

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, obviously we love Christian and you know,

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Speaker 6: But you know, Christian took a big step forward this year,

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Speaker 6: not that you know, like his he went from here

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Speaker 5: For the for the long term.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned, you know, taking a big step, and you

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Speaker 1: also said something about the draft industry and that's why

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Speaker 1: everybody's really here in Indianapolis. But Elliott, it's draft and

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Speaker 1: develop isn't it? Like you had a lot of guys

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Speaker 1: to see those guys make the next take the next step,

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Speaker 5: Absolutely?

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Speaker 6: I mean, you know, I feel like I feel like

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Speaker 6: So I think it's a credit to our coaching staff

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Speaker 6: that we were able to play so many rookies. You know,

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Speaker 3: Us, speaking the rookies, and just with Craig Woodson as

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Speaker 3: the fourth round. I remember on our draft shows, people said,

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Speaker 3: you know, you took them too high, like it was

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Speaker 3: this great player for you guys. How do you find

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Speaker 3: the Craig Woodson's Because we all know the Will Campbell's

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean Craig.

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Speaker 6: Craig was an interesting one because like almost universally and

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Speaker 5: Everyone thought he was good.

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Speaker 6: The airy Scout, the National Scout, the college director, the

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Speaker 5: Rabel liked them, the defensive coaches liked them. Like it was.

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Speaker 6: It was an easy one and we got him later

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Speaker 6: than where we had him rated, and we're excited that,

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Speaker 6: you know, he was able to get again. You know,

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Speaker 6: he still get a guy in the fourth round at

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Speaker 6: a position on the defense. That's all about communication and

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Speaker 6: for a fourth round Rooie, those things can be challenging,

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Speaker 6: or any rookie, those things can be challenging.

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Speaker 5: And he was able to answer that and we.

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Speaker 6: Would expect him to continue to develop and get even better.

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Speaker 1: Is that kind of the perfect storm of everything going right?

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Speaker 1: And that's what you're that's the goal. You're all on

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Speaker 1: the same page. Everybody wants the guy. You can get

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Speaker 1: of the shoot. That's what you're looking for, right.

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Speaker 6: That's what you're looking for. And then that probably doesn't

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's I go back to the first practice of

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Speaker 2: Ellie, thank you very much for your time.

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Speaker 1: I thought there was a couple of really interesting nuggets

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Speaker 1: So a really interesting Patriot Center conversation with Elliott wolf

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Speaker 4: Here it is.

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Speaker 3: We are joined now by Dane Brugler from the Athletic.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't need an introduction, though, the Beast himself. Dane,

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Speaker 3: it's your time to shine, buddy. This is your time

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Speaker 3: of year. How is everything going with the draft prep,

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Speaker 3: the Beasts, all of that.

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Speaker 4: This must be your favorite time of year.

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Speaker 2: It really is, especially the combine.

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Speaker 7: It feels like because the season, the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I know you guys are busy last month

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Speaker 7: Yeah, but finally everybody has turned the page and we're

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Speaker 7: kind of turn the page of the draft and that

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Speaker 3: So we were talking draft in October in New England

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Speaker 3: And everybody keeps asking me, what do you want to

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Speaker 7: I think it matches up fairly well with where we

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Speaker 7: two strongest positions.

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Speaker 2: In this draft.

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Speaker 7: In my top one hundred, I had seventeen receivers, sixteen

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to come back to d Dresser, but

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Speaker 7: I know what a difference last four And I'm telling you, man,

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Speaker 7: And that's the thing is we don't know how those

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Speaker 2: To see who's going to fall to you.

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Speaker 7: And it's just it makes it tough for to project,

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Speaker 3: All right, let's go back to the dresser, because trying

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Speaker 3: to figure out who they're gonna take it thirty one

442
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Speaker 3: is a little bit of a needle in a haystack

443
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Speaker 3: that I'm not used to, to be honest with you,

444
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Speaker 3: ed Rushers. You know, we just talked to Elliot Wolf,

445
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Speaker 3: the Patriots personnel chief, and he mentioned what you were

446
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Speaker 3: kind of saying. Past rush ability is really what they

447
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Speaker 3: look for first, you know, first step explosiveness, pass rush ability,

448
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Speaker 3: multiple moves in their arsenal. You know, when you hear

449
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Speaker 3: that description, you know, who are some guys that come

450
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Speaker 3: to mind?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that with where they're gonna be picking

452
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Speaker 7: late first round. You know, you think about an R.

453
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Speaker 7: Mason Thomas from Oklahoma. It's a little bit undersized, but

454
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Speaker 7: you want that juice. Will Campbell's knows who R. Mason

455
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Speaker 7: Thomas is. Will Campbell gave up two sacks in his

456
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Speaker 7: career at LSU, his entire career. One of those was

457
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Speaker 7: our Mason Thomas, And I think that, yeah, you're sacrificing

458
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Speaker 7: a little bit of the size and the ability to

459
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Speaker 7: set an edge. But if he's going to bring you

460
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Speaker 7: that edge juice and going to threaten the quarterback and

461
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Speaker 7: put pressure on what they're doing.

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Speaker 2: That's that's the value.

463
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Speaker 7: And so but again that's why you know, picking late

464
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Speaker 7: first round, you have to compromise in some areas. You know,

465
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Speaker 7: there's a reason these guys are still going to be

466
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Speaker 7: on the board at that point in the draft. So

467
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Speaker 7: you have to compromise in some way. And the Patriots

468
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Speaker 7: need to decide, Okay, where are we willing to compromise?

469
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Speaker 2: Is it speed? Is it size?

470
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Speaker 7: If they want someone with more size than maybe a

471
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Speaker 7: Zion Young from Missouri who big, physical, has length, he'll

472
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Speaker 7: go through you, He'll set a firm edge, he can

473
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Speaker 7: rake out the ball, create turnovers.

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Speaker 2: So TJ.

475
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Speaker 7: Parker from Clempson will always also fall in that group.

476
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Speaker 7: So I think it just depends on the type of

477
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Speaker 7: edge rusher they want to target and who they think

478
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Speaker 7: can best impact because part of it will depend on

479
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Speaker 7: what they do this offseason. You know, Calavian Chase on

480
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Speaker 7: is he still on this team? What do they look

481
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Speaker 7: to address in free agency? So that will depend on

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Speaker 7: the direction or the type of pass rusher maybe they

483
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Speaker 7: target here in the draft.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, those are two good ones.

485
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Speaker 3: Our Mason Thomas is someone that jumped off to me

486
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Speaker 3: this in my initial study of the Edges because of

487
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Speaker 3: that first step, you know, and you look at guys

488
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Speaker 3: like Chase On, guys like Harold Blandery. It's kind of

489
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Speaker 3: in that similar mold you mentioned Young. He's been mocked

490
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Speaker 3: to the Patriots. I've seen a decent amount. What have

491
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Speaker 3: you heard about some of the off field stuff with

492
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Speaker 3: him though, because doesn't he have a little bit of

493
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Speaker 3: a pass and I'm sure will be in the.

494
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Speaker 7: Beast right and he was so he was at Michigan

495
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Speaker 7: State before and you know that he was part of

496
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Speaker 7: that incident you know, in the in the in the

497
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Speaker 7: tunnel with Michigan way back when. But you know, I

498
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Speaker 7: don't I don't think that you talk to the Missouri coaches,

499
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Speaker 7: you talk to scouts, I don't think that they are

500
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Speaker 7: you know, this is a red flag player. This is

501
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Speaker 7: someone that we need to really do our extra homework on.

502
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Speaker 7: They'll do the due diligence and make sure they're comfortable

503
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Speaker 7: with the person. But I don't think it's a huge

504
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Speaker 7: worry with you know, his background and someone that you know,

505
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Speaker 7: you feel like you're bringing in a questionable player into

506
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Speaker 7: your locker room, your community. I don't think it's that

507
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Speaker 7: type of situation with Ion Young.

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Speaker 3: Okay, good to hear, and I go to wide receiver next.

509
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Speaker 3: There's player particularly I want to ask you about. But

510
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Speaker 3: just what did you think about this class as a whole.

511
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Speaker 7: It's a good group and it kind of like edge rusher,

512
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Speaker 7: you know, ice cream flavors, right, and they're all good,

513
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Speaker 7: but you know, do you like vanilla? Do you like chocolate?

514
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Speaker 7: You know, just depends what you're looking for it at

515
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Speaker 7: that time. And the Patriots are interesting because are they

516
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Speaker 7: gonna want the true X on the outside? Are they

517
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Speaker 7: gonna want maybe someone's more versatile and can play the slot,

518
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Speaker 7: can also play the Z. I think that there's different

519
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Speaker 7: ways they could attack it, which could depend you know,

520
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Speaker 7: does that mean that they want to go with the

521
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Speaker 7: Denzel Boston from Washington? Does that mean they want to

522
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Speaker 7: go Casey Conception on Omar Cooper from Indiana? And if

523
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Speaker 7: they wait till the second third round, there's other options,

524
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Speaker 7: smaller guys like Brandon Thompson from Missouri or Missippi State,

525
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Speaker 7: who might pick for the fastest forty this week. A

526
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Speaker 7: big fan of Ted Hirst, from Georgia State, who big

527
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Speaker 7: can win down the field. He has more catches at

528
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Speaker 7: twenty plus yards the last two years than anybody else

529
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Speaker 7: in college football. So I think that Lake edge rusher.

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Speaker 7: It's like, Okay, this is the.

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Speaker 2: How our offense is looking.

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Speaker 7: Do we want to drop in a run after catch slot?

533
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Speaker 7: Do we want to you know? I mean you feel

534
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Speaker 7: you already have that with Douglas? Do you want to

535
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Speaker 7: get a true X on the outside? Does I feel

536
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Speaker 7: like that's our biggest need? So I think it's it's

537
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Speaker 7: interesting that different ways they could attack it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: And I you know, obviously a lot also probably rides

540
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Speaker 3: on what they end up doing with the fun Diggs

541
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Speaker 3: and is he part of their long term plans. But

542
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Speaker 3: we've always seen that sort of Z slot role in

543
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Speaker 3: the Josh McDaniels offense thrive and Diggs was kind of

544
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Speaker 3: in that role last year and had another thousand yard season.

545
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Speaker 3: But then you look at Drake May and he's the

546
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Speaker 3: type of guy that wants to throw the ball down

547
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Speaker 3: the field, especially on the outside the number, you know,

548
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Speaker 3: And the one guy that I just really got infatuated

549
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Speaker 3: with really quickly was Chris Brasel from Tennessee. Sure, and

550
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Speaker 3: it just seems to me like there's just not that

551
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Speaker 3: many guys on the planet that are six foot five

552
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Speaker 3: that run that well. And what really sold me on

553
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Speaker 3: him is how he catches the football at the catch

554
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Speaker 3: point too. It's not just you know, hansketchot great speed,

555
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Speaker 3: he's also got that contested catchability. Talk to me a

556
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Speaker 3: little bit about him and he transferred correct. So yeah,

557
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Speaker 3: he played a little bit more diverse offense maybe at two,

558
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Speaker 3: because that Tennessee offense always freaks me out a little bit.

559
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Speaker 7: The track record of Tennessee receivers so in that offense

560
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Speaker 7: isn't isn't great And yeah, part of it is just

561
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Speaker 7: the route tree that has to run and how much

562
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Speaker 7: of a transition it is to an NFL offense.

563
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Speaker 2: But yeah, I.

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Speaker 7: Mean it's easy to see why teams are going to

565
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Speaker 7: be interested in Brazle because of how explosive he is

566
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Speaker 7: in a straight line. But also he can snap off routes,

567
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Speaker 7: he can create his own separation and then he will

568
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Speaker 7: track the ball really well, bring it into his away

569
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Speaker 7: from his body. And you mentioned the catch radius like

570
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Speaker 7: it's there. So he is tall, very lean, so maybe

571
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Speaker 7: you worry about the play strength concerns at times, just

572
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Speaker 7: expanding his route tree anyone coming from that offense, you

573
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Speaker 7: know you're gonna worry about that to some degree.

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Speaker 2: But he's a good player.

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Speaker 7: He is a good player, and I think once you

576
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Speaker 7: get to day two, he's immediately in that mix and

577
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Speaker 7: that conversation of Okay, this is one of the guys

578
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Speaker 7: on our short list of a direction, we could go.

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Speaker 4: All right, two more positions and I'll let you go.

580
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Speaker 3: The other one that I think the a lot of

581
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Speaker 3: Patriots fans are looking at is tight end because Antre

582
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Speaker 3: Henry's thirty one, thirty two years old.

583
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Speaker 4: Austin Hooper is a free agent, sort of that next wave.

584
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Speaker 3: All the things that I've seen on the tight ends

585
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Speaker 3: is that it's Sadik at the top, and then it's

586
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Speaker 3: like a big gap and then there's a cluster there

587
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Speaker 3: like in the middle rounds. Is that how you see

588
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Speaker 3: it as well? And who are some of the guys

589
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Speaker 3: that stand out?

590
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I see it.

591
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Speaker 7: Sadik should be a first round pick, and then I

592
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Speaker 7: think Eli Stowers from Vanderbilt, Max Claire Ohio State, those

593
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Speaker 7: guys are second round guys.

594
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Speaker 2: But I think the.

595
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Speaker 7: Meat of this draft, why it is so deep. We're

596
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Speaker 7: talking fourth round, fifth round, those guys. It's a deep

597
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Speaker 7: group of tight ends. They're twenty seven tight ends invited

598
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Speaker 7: the Combine this year. The average is like nineteen. So

599
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Speaker 7: and let's remember the NFL teams are the guy that's

600
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Speaker 7: who votes, who gets to the combine, who gets an invite.

601
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Speaker 7: So obviously part of it is just this last and

602
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Speaker 7: how deep it is. Part of it is teams are

603
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Speaker 7: really interested in the tight end position as a whole,

604
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Speaker 7: and so there's a lot of guys they want to see.

605
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Speaker 7: Will kac Merrick from Ohio State is on that short

606
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Speaker 7: list of guys that if if I'm going to wait till,

607
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 7: say the fourth round and target somebody, that's somebody that

608
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Speaker 7: I'd be looking at. And you think about a guy

609
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Speaker 7: that when he's targeted, he'll he'll make plays. He didn't

610
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Speaker 7: have a single drop in two years at Ohio State,

611
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Speaker 7: but his value as a blocker, he will try to

612
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Speaker 7: run through guys, bury them into the ground. He holds

613
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Speaker 7: up in pass protection. So Chatsmeeric, makes sense. I like

614
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Speaker 7: Nate Boorkicker from Texas A and M he'd be in there.

615
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Speaker 7: So it's a there are four or five tight ends

616
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Speaker 7: I'd be circling if I get to day three, hadn't

617
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Speaker 7: drafted the position yet, but feel like there's somebody that, Okay,

618
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Speaker 7: I want to make sure I come away with day

619
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Speaker 7: from day three with one of these guys.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned the blocking ability, and I think that's one

622
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Speaker 3: area where the Patriots tight ends are maybe a little

623
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Speaker 3: deficient in. You know, Hunter Henry had a great year

624
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Speaker 3: top ten and pretty much all receiving categories among tight ends.

625
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Speaker 3: How rare is it though, now to have that well

626
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Speaker 3: rounded guy, because it doesn't feel like every time I

627
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 3: look at a guy, it's like, well, he's a great receiver,

628
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Speaker 3: but he's not a great blocker. But this guy's a

629
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Speaker 3: blocking specialist, but he doesn't catch the ball, and it's

630
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Speaker 3: kind of hard to get the full package.

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Speaker 7: The NFL is all about mismatches, right if we're just

632
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Speaker 7: gonna boil it down in the most simplistic terms, it's

633
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 7: about finding those mismatches, exploiting them, or huffire on defense,

634
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Speaker 7: making sure. You know, we talk so much about Nick

635
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 7: im and worry and what he meant for Seattle this year.

636
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Speaker 7: He was mismatch proof because on the field, he can cover,

637
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 7: he can play the run, he could be a linebacker,

638
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 7: vie too whatever. On offense, you're looking for those advantages.

639
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 7: How can you get a mismatch? And so in certain

640
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 7: personnel packages, team it's an immediate trigger for teams like, okay,

641
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Speaker 7: well they're in thirteen personnel. Okay, that means it's a

642
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 7: run it means it's this. But if you have more

643
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 7: of a versatile tight end group, tight end room, you

644
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 7: can do different things where okay, twelve personnel thirteen personnel

645
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 7: you are. It's not necessarily a run player, You're not

646
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Speaker 7: necessarily running a certain asking concept. You are doing different things.

647
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 7: And so I do think you think about Jackson Hawes

648
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,199
Speaker 7: and what he meant for Buffalo last year. There are

649
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 7: those types of tight ends in this year's class. We're

650
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 7: a fourth round, fifth round. Like I mentioned, Will kek

651
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 7: Merrick board Kicker. Those are the guys that are going

652
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 7: to give you really good blocking, but they also can

653
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 7: help you out in the passing game as well.

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Speaker 3: Awesome in the last position. Obviously, the offensive line and

655
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 3: the Patriots have all been consistent, whether it's Coach Rabel

656
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 3: or Elliot Wolf. Will Campbell's staying at left tackle and

657
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Speaker 3: they're not going to move him. But I look at

658
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 3: left guard because Jared Wilson probably more natural center, you know,

659
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 3: moving him back to center long term. There are a

660
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 3: couple guys in that first round range, you know, the

661
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 3: kid from Oregon for example, that you know are peer

662
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,479
Speaker 3: left guard prospects. You know, what do you see in

663
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 3: this guard class here in the draft.

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Speaker 7: It's it's not a bad group at all. I think,

665
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 7: you know we're going to see Vega Yuana from Penn

666
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 7: Stego early. He'll be off that board one of the

667
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 7: best players in the draft, hands down, you know. I

668
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 7: think you know he's gonna be someone top fifteen, no

669
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 7: questions asked.

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Speaker 2: Guards aren't sexy to draft early, but everyone.

671
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Speaker 7: Needs him and I think he's the bestest draft has

672
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 7: to offer. Chase besonsis from Texas A and M. I

673
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 7: think he's the second best guard young player. But man,

674
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 7: you're excited about who he is now, but also where

675
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 7: he's headed. I think Billy Shroud from Notre Dame. I

676
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 7: really like him, and I think in the third round

677
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 7: that'd be someone that I would I would love to

678
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 7: target if I'm looking for someone I can plug in

679
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 7: at the guard position, and he's gonna, I feel like,

680
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 7: compete right away for a starting job.

681
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 2: Now.

682
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 7: He's missed at at least four games each of the

683
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 7: last two years with injury. That's why you're getting a

684
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 7: little bit of a discount on him. But he's gonna

685
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 7: start games in his future. He has that type of ability.

686
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 7: So there are some players Manuel Pregnant from Oregon you mentioned,

687
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 7: so I think day two if you're looking to come

688
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 7: away with a guard which I like that idea. I

689
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 7: like the idea of moving you know, Wilson inside. I

690
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 7: think that's what is best for him and best for

691
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 7: just getting the best five out there. I do think

692
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 7: that that is a sound strategy to come away maybe

693
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 7: third round with a Billy shroud and feel like, Okay,

694
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 7: our offensive line is immediately stronger with this addition.

695
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 3: In terms of tackles, the one spot to just Morgan

696
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 3: Moses thirty five years old on the right side. You know,

697
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 3: there are some guys in that late first round range.

698
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 3: I don't know if they would you want a red

699
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 3: shirt a guy this early on and in their build,

700
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 3: you know, with Vrabel, But how's the depth of the

701
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 3: tackle class. Let's say they wanted to get a developmental guy,

702
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 3: you know, somewhere on late day two, early day three.

703
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 7: You know, I think that's it's possible. I think it's

704
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 7: threading the needle a little bit, just because there's it's

705
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 7: not a super deep group, and all thirty two teams

706
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 7: are looking for that, right I all thirty two teams

707
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 7: are looking for offensive line help in some form or fashion.

708
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 7: I you know, if they do look at the position

709
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 7: lay first round, Blake Miller is really interesting at that point,

710
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 7: and you think of a vrabel guy. I think of

711
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 7: Blake Miller. I mean I think of he literally missed

712
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 7: one practice in four years at Clemson, Like he just

713
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 7: does not miss it.

714
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 4: I saw that note and I was like, ah, I

715
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 4: got it right. This guy's named it.

716
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 7: And then yeah, there's a lot that I think translates

717
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 7: to what this team wants to be. So if you

718
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 7: have Will Campbell on the left side, Miller on the

719
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 7: right side, and that's kind of your bookends for the

720
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Speaker 7: next ten years, I think you're feeling pretty good about that,

721
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Speaker 7: even if it's not the most immediate need right now.

722
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 7: This is a team that they're looking at, Yes, twenty

723
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 7: twenty six, they're looking at twenty twenty seven roster. They're

724
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Speaker 7: looking twenty twenty eight roster. They're going to do what's

725
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Speaker 7: best for this team long term.

726
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 3: Well that's why we had him on because I was

727
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 3: just taking mental notes of all the names he just mentioned.

728
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 4: You got a target date for the Beast, yet when's

729
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 4: it coming?

730
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 2: Early April is always the goal.

731
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Speaker 7: You know, we got a lot to do this week,

732
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 7: and then yeah, hide back and going back in my

733
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Speaker 7: hole in the month of March to get it done,

734
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Speaker 7: and then hopefully early March or early April it's ready

735
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,239
Speaker 7: and people can dive in and have it by their

736
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Speaker 7: side every step of the way.

737
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Speaker 3: Well, there's nobody better than Dame Brugler on the draft.

738
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 3: The Beast is a invaluable tool that I always look

739
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 3: at right before the draft as well, and add all

740
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 3: your little note data bursts, and you know all the

741
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 3: things that the coaches and scouts are saying about these guys.

742
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 3: So give Dan to follow. Make sure you subscribe to

743
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 3: the Athletic and read his stuff. He's the best. Dane

744
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 3: becoming a yearly tradition.

745
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 4: I love it. Thanks for joining us.

746
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, thanks, really good analysis there by Dane Brugler

747
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: about the draft, and here's another guy who really knows.

748
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 4: A draft well.

749
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: Another conversation Evan had with ESPNS Jordan Reid.

750
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 3: All right, we're joined now by Jordan Reid from ESPN.

751
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 3: A yearly tradition of you coming down to the table,

752
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,719
Speaker 3: which I really appreciate. Jordan, one of the best draft

753
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 3: analysts in the business.

754
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 4: How you doing. That's good to be Yeah, I'm good.

755
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 8: I'm just hoping you guys have caught your breath after

756
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 8: a long season.

757
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know.

758
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 3: I feel like we're you know, the chests out a

759
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 3: little bit right, Like we didn't finish the job, but

760
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 3: we were pretty close.

761
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 4: So it's very exciting.

762
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 3: But now that we turn the page to the draft,

763
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 3: very very different draft scenario for the Patriots, what do

764
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 3: you kind of see as some of the players that

765
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 3: they could possibly target. It's a very wide cast a

766
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 3: net at thirty one. It's gonna be a bunch of

767
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 3: different kind of permutations here. But what do you kind

768
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 3: of see as sort of the strength of the draft

769
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 3: that might make.

770
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Speaker 4: It all the way to thirty one.

771
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 8: I think there's a lot of depth in this year's

772
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 8: defensive class. Honestly, I look at positions like defensive end.

773
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 8: I think there's a lot of depth, which I think

774
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 8: is the area that the Patriots need a lot of

775
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 8: help at dB. I think this is an exceptional corner

776
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 8: class and then also safety, but also a linebacker as well,

777
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 8: so any defensive position. Honestly, I think there's a lot

778
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 8: of depth.

779
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 4: To be at. Yeah.

780
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 3: I want to stick on the defensive side of the

781
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 3: ball because offensive line wide receiver that's going to dominate

782
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 3: the headlines for Patriots fans and media. But when we

783
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 3: talked to Elliott Wolf earlier today, it was very clear

784
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 3: that there were some defensive needs on that side of

785
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 3: the ball that he has on his mind as well.

786
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 3: Let's start with the safeties because there's two guys, McNeil

787
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 3: Warren from Toledo, right and Dylan Dyneman from Oregon. And

788
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 3: I liked both those guys tapes a lot, but they're

789
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 3: very different types of safeties. What do you see out

790
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 3: of those two players and what makes them so different?

791
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 8: I guess I'll start with the enemy. He's somebody that's

792
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 8: coming over from Purdue. When he was at Purdue, he

793
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 8: strictly played at free safety. Like you're seeing him fifteen

794
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 8: to twenty yards away from the ball, and he is

795
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 8: what I like to call him a staky racer. On

796
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 8: the back end, he was just playing sideline to sideline,

797
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 8: really trying to keep everything in front of him. But

798
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 8: also when those dbs got beaten on the back end,

799
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 8: he was just he racing everything. Had six interceptions his

800
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 8: final year there at Purdue, and then he transitions to

801
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 8: Oregon and they changed his role quite a bit. He's

802
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 8: playing all over the place. You're seeing playing nickel, he's

803
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 8: playing strong safety, he's playing that middle hole, middle rap player,

804
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 8: but also some free safety as well. And you know,

805
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 8: the area that he cleaned up the most was his tackling.

806
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 8: I thought he really struggled tackling his final season at Purdue,

807
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 8: and it mainly was because he was coming from so

808
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 8: high from the roof that you know, he would miss

809
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 8: time a lot of things, had some bad angles and

810
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 8: took some bad pursuit areas as well. So he really

811
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 8: cleaned that up. With McNeil Warren, they utilized him quite

812
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 8: a bit more so at that strong safety spots. Have

813
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 8: some shades of playing at free safety as well, But

814
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 8: I think he can be interchangeable. But his hit and

815
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 8: power man he comes down and he'll thump you. I

816
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 8: think that's the area where he's a little bit more

817
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 8: polished than the Enemen. But with him, I think he's

818
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 8: going to be a huge tester as well. And I

819
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 8: don't even know if he's going to be on the

820
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 8: board for the Patriots, but very different stylistically, but definitely

821
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 8: first round worthy players.

822
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 3: So with McNeil warr, I've heard some nick Ammon Moorrey

823
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 3: type Compson does.

824
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 4: Do you see them as similar players?

825
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 3: We always obviously just learned a lot unfortunately about Nick

826
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 3: Avion Warrey in the Super Bowl. So familiar player and

827
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 3: it's a type of safety that I'm not sure the

828
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 3: Patriots system currently is going to prioritize. But it's also

829
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 3: something that they don't really have, Like they kind of

830
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 3: have the Craig Woodson's of the world that can play deep,

831
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 3: but they don't necessarily have that like Big Nickel does that.

832
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 4: How you see him kind of projecting to the pros.

833
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 8: I think primarily that's where he has to play, but

834
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 8: I don't think you have to limit him to be

835
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 8: in that. So let's say seventy five thirty five as

836
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 8: far as the splits, just because he does have some

837
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 8: really good plays of playing split safety, but also being

838
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 8: that single guy high on the roof as well. So

839
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 8: I think he's more so interchangeable. But I think you're

840
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 8: spot on as far as where you primarily want him

841
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 8: to play, which is that big nickel role, that stiffer

842
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 8: is what I like to call it, where he can

843
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 8: make those plays around the line of scrimmers. But I

844
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 8: feel really good about him matching up with those tighty

845
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 8: hands in the slot, especially when teams go to those

846
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 8: twelve thirteen personnel, which is where you have to have

847
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 8: those bigger guys that not only can be consistent as

848
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 8: far as in pass covers, but also they have to

849
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,439
Speaker 8: bring some physicality to the table against the run as well.

850
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 3: So going to linebacker, that's another need that Elliot Wolf

851
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 3: kind of echoed today. You know, Robert Splain, Christian ellis

852
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 3: good players, and the Patriots are going to have back,

853
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 3: but getting younger, getting some depth there. Who do you

854
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,959
Speaker 3: like in that like day two range at linebacker, maybe

855
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 3: early day three that's not at thirty one necessarily, but

856
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 3: a little bit deeper.

857
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 8: I have a huge cluster of those guys right now. Yeah,

858
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 8: I mean you talk about Anthony Hill, junior at Texas.

859
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 8: He's that big, athletic spark blook that is a little

860
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 8: bit more comfortable playing Downhill right now just because he's

861
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 8: so aggressive. He's one one I absolutely love is Jake

862
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 8: Goldey out of Cincinnati.

863
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 2: He's that big, physical guy.

864
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 8: They it was kind of weird how they used him,

865
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 8: just because he's playing like outside at Nickel and then

866
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 8: a transition to wheel and now he'll have some shades

867
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 8: of Mike as well. I think he's more comfortable on

868
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 8: the weak side. I think that's what he's going to

869
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 8: be on the next level. And then one guy that's

870
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 8: really gotten a lot of steam here over the past

871
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 8: few weeks, very young redstart sophomore Josiah Trotter out of Missoo.

872
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 8: Very similar to Anthony Hill as far as run defense.

873
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 8: Aggressive Downhill needs to clean up some things in pass covers,

874
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Speaker 8: but I could see him jumping some guys in that

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Speaker 8: second tier that we talked about.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so we did the defense, that's the nuts and bolts.

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Speaker 3: We got to talk about some wide receivers and playmakers though,

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Speaker 3: because that's.

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Speaker 4: Gotta talk about the pretty guy. All right, Dad right.

880
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 3: Moves the needle, right, I know you you always give

881
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 3: us like one or two good wide receiver sleepers yea

882
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 3: every year, So what do you got for us this year?

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Speaker 8: So one that I like quite a bit is Kevin Coleman,

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00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 8: the wide receiver out of Missou And if you remember

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00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 8: going back to the Senior Bowl, nobody could guard that

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00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 8: guy man. He was absolutely phenomenal well travel start off

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00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 8: his career at Jackson State, then shifted to Mississippi State

888
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 8: before ending his career at Missouri. Had a big breakout

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00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 8: year last season. I think he's going to be a

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Speaker 8: serviceable wide receiver three that's going to give you a

891
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 8: lot on special team. So if you're looking for somebody

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Speaker 8: that can fill out your wide receiver corps, I definitely

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00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 8: think he is one. Another if you're looking for that

894
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 8: vertical guy is Bryce Lance out of North Dakota State.

895
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Speaker 8: He's somebody that we haven't seen at all during the

896
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 8: All Star Game circuit, so he's kind of getting lost

897
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 8: in that shuffle of these big X receivers. And I

898
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 8: think there's a huge cluster of them right now. Ted

899
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 8: Hurst at Georgia State, Chris Brasel at Tennessee.

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Speaker 4: To Dame.

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00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 8: So there's this huge cluster of these big X receivers

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00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 8: that can run vertical.

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00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, b I just called Brasle caught my eye because

904
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 3: when you start to look at you know, Drake May

905
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 3: six foot five, the downfield receiver, really seems to fit that.

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Speaker 4: Bill.

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00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 3: Where are you at with Denzel Boston, because that's one

908
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 3: player obviously first round you're probably but I see like

909
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 3: wild swings of where in the first round people have going.

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Speaker 8: It's just because the prototype that we've seen like that

911
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 8: hasn't translated will in the NFL. But I think he's

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00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 8: much different than some of the guys that we have

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Speaker 8: seen in years past because I think he's underrated as

914
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Speaker 8: a separator. But how they used him at Washington was

915
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 8: just how they ran him vertically. But when you see

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Speaker 8: him separating the shorten intermediate thereas, I definitely think he's

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00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 8: very good in that facet. But his hand strength, man like,

918
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 8: he catches everything that's in his vicinity. He had some

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00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 8: great catches against Washington State this year of where you're

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00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 8: able to see a lot of hand strength and body

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Speaker 8: control with him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like I've heard, you know, a couple of Kean Coleman,

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Speaker 3: I think he moves different from Kenia.

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Speaker 4: With that question, I would agree.

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00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know that Washington State filming that dad

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Speaker 3: a little stutter and go and toe tap on the side.

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Speaker 3: I was like, that's also a Drake may receiver right there. Well,

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Speaker 3: that's why we had Jordan read on because as you

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Speaker 3: can tell, he's an encyclopedia where it comes to this

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Speaker 3: kind of stuff. You can find him on ESPN doing

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Speaker 3: all their draft coverage as well.

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Speaker 4: Jordan, thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Thanks as always, Evan, good stuff there from Jordan's been

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Speaker 1: really a lot of great infection, Elliott, Dane, Jordan, you

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Speaker 1: want to stay tuned to the Patriots Draft Contown presented

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Speaker 1: by bud Light, because we're gonna have more guests this

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