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Speaker 1: You're listening the Draftings.

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Speaker 2: Network, The John Nnick and Kenny Florian Podcast John Annik

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Speaker 2: and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 3: I love him.

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Speaker 4: I can't get.

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Speaker 5: Enough of him.

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Speaker 1: I hear that bo big job there, Koktuffia, Brett fer.

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Speaker 3: Rock Suck. I believe there are a couple of absolutely

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Speaker 2: Here are your hosts, John Nick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 1: That's song I'm Winner, but it was a draw. We

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Speaker 1: missed you, guys. I think Kenny actually missed me for

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Speaker 1: the first time in four hundred and forty episodes. Well,

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Speaker 1: The Anak and Florian podcast Sorry for the Tuesday Started

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Speaker 1: is Tuesday, October tenth, twenty twenty three, Episode four hundred

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Speaker 1: and forty The Florian Podcast presented by DraftKings glam Kenflow

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Speaker 1: for the non Sunday Monday start.

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Speaker 6: It is my fault, dude, and yes I did miss you.

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Speaker 1: I feel like a lost puppy.

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Speaker 6: Well, when I don't talk to you, Marre, but I

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Speaker 6: don't hear your voice every week, it definitely feels strange.

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Speaker 6: But speaking of puppies, my man, I saw the picture

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Speaker 6: of your new dog. It is absolutely the cutest thing

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Speaker 6: I've ever seen. Are you pumped about that.

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Speaker 1: What's going on? New dog in the Anneck family. So,

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Speaker 1: for the first time in the near four hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty episode history of the show, I'm starting the show

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Speaker 1: out of breath and sweating a little bit. I'm always sweating,

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Speaker 1: but out of breath as anew for the Anticmploring podcast

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Speaker 1: because I just brought this god forsaken puppy downstairs. She

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Speaker 1: has thrice escaped my dining room setup. I think I'm

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Speaker 1: just misjudging how skinny she is and these holes. She

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Speaker 1: probably can get through the actual baby gait at this

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Speaker 1: point in time. But yeah, I'm watching this new puppy

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Speaker 1: on a baby monitor. We have our great babysitter coming

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Speaker 1: here in thirty minutes. We have a lot to get to.

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Speaker 1: But yes, a burden has been added, but more importantly,

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Speaker 1: a burden has been relieved. As I texted you the

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Speaker 1: photo with caption yesterday, it was so burdensome not having

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Speaker 1: a puppy. Hearing my daughter Tatum and all of my

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Speaker 1: children suggest to me that all their friends have dogs

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Speaker 1: or puppies and they don't have them. So that's been

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Speaker 1: the relief. But yeah, we were up from like three

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Speaker 1: to five am last night, and like having a newborn

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Speaker 1: right now, Ken flip.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's definitely very very similar, man. And you had

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Speaker 6: three kids that are hassling you non stop, so that

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Speaker 6: has ended. And how much work are they going to

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Speaker 6: put into to the dog?

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean the question beckons right, how much weight

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Speaker 1: are they actually going to pull? If they work half

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Speaker 1: as hard as as our next guest, then I think

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Speaker 1: they'll be just fine. And speaking of dogs, we got

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Speaker 1: one on the line right now, running us just three

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Speaker 1: days after the biggest win of his UFC career, UFC

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Speaker 1: middleweight contender Joe Pifer, and we can certainly call you

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Speaker 1: a contender now given what's transpired this weekend. My man,

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Speaker 1: I know you're your harshest critic, but congratulations on a

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Speaker 1: big w and uh, we appreciate a few minutes to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you guys for having me. Uh sorry, my

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Speaker 4: camera setup's not that great. I gotta get a new phone.

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Speaker 4: I scratched a lens and uh, I had like a

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Speaker 4: whole camera setup that I have my buddy come out

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Speaker 4: So but uh, nonetheless, thanks for having me, and uh

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Speaker 4: I'm excited to be on here.

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Speaker 1: So is that for content you're going to be creating

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Speaker 1: on your own? Is that what that all is for?

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Speaker 3: I assume or no, No, it was actually for like twitch.

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Speaker 4: I play Call of Duty a lot, So all right, Uh, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I've been trying to get a get a nice setup

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Speaker 3: Uh, I'll show you my my my dirties.

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Speaker 1: Yeah please, But I have I have a camera.

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Speaker 4: Up here, I got my leg I have a I

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I got two gaming PCs.

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Speaker 4: So I'm trying to I'm trying to get like a

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Speaker 3: So but I have a sick interview room.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense

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Speaker 1: as the as the interview requests continue to uh to

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Speaker 1: you co made event Abdul Razak al Hassen and I

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Speaker 1: guess we just want to get your thoughts off the top.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you get the bonus, you get to the

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Speaker 4: a static because I got the bonus.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 3: That's that's the kind of fights I want. I want.

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Speaker 4: I want to be like man, like, we've got to

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Speaker 4: the fight style I want to have. I think that's

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Speaker 4: the flight style I brought, you know, first and foremost,

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Speaker 4: I think I really went out there and I took

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Speaker 4: So that's something I've always prided myself in. And I

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Speaker 4: up my cats. Yeah, but but yeah, I'm happy. I'm

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Speaker 4: And I had a lot of stress. I had a

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it can be tough, man, when things outside of

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Speaker 1: But you know, you have been dominant. Man.

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Speaker 6: I'm curious in your opinion. I know you are, you know,

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it's not quite what you see.

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Speaker 6: Sometimes people rise the occasion when it comes to competition.

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Speaker 6: But you've been finishing guys left and right. What haven't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we haven't seen.

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Speaker 4: We haven't seen me go against somebody that can stop

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Speaker 3: So I think I'm a complete fighter.

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Speaker 4: And that's something I tried to say leading into this,

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Speaker 4: I just didn't see him possessing the skills that do

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Speaker 6: And Joe, my other question is, you know what has

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Speaker 3: No, I'm not surprised or shocked by anything. You know.

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Speaker 3: It's funny because every time I fight, you know, people

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Speaker 4: That this is a big test, this is the next

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Speaker 4: You know that that's the whole point in climbing this

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Speaker 4: You know, For me, I was like, I'm renegotiating this flight.

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Speaker 4: and a referee and John Banaher said it best. And

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Speaker 4: that's what brought me to the right mental state. Even

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Speaker 3: And you know, I know that I'm a dog, and.

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Speaker 4: I say that in a way where it's like I can,

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Speaker 4: the second. You know, I've seen him dancing and just

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Speaker 4: working my whole life for us, So bring that shit.

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Speaker 3: That's how I felt.

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Speaker 1: You have seen mid Away contender Joe Pifer with us

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Speaker 1: here on the Anican Florian podcast. Yeah. Born September seventeenth,

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six. You definitely speak and fight, I think,

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Speaker 1: and carry yourself with a wisdom that belies those twenty

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Speaker 1: seven years. I think part of that rooted in the

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Speaker 1: mixed martial arts experience, the life experience. But at twenty seven,

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Speaker 1: have you not already changed your life through fighting? I mean,

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Speaker 1: certainly there are people like me as an MMA fan,

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Speaker 1: off this past weekend and I'm telling my twin brother,

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Speaker 1: I want to make sure I watched Joe Piper fight

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Speaker 1: lot right. I didn't watch that whole card Bell to

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Speaker 1: Bill and I did later. So have you not already

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Speaker 4: I have? You know I have, But I think I

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Speaker 4: fight turn It's not gonna.

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Speaker 3: Happen, dude. It's just I can't.

436
00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:53,280
Speaker 4: I physically can't, Like so I almost fucking die making

437
00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,360
Speaker 4: this way all the time. So I'm just not doing it,

438
00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,520
Speaker 4: and it's traumatizing for me. So I don't want to

439
00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:01,680
Speaker 4: fucking do it that often. Yeah, I mean, I think

440
00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,280
Speaker 4: it's very realistic. You know, I got respect for Paul Craig,

441
00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,080
Speaker 4: I do, but you know, I don't think he's that good,

442
00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:09,800
Speaker 4: and I think he's got a big name, So that's

443
00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:14,200
Speaker 4: that's why I'm interested. I know Brendan Allen is fighting him, obviously,

444
00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,040
Speaker 4: so we'll see how that goes. I do believe Brendon's

445
00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,240
Speaker 4: gonna kind of make it look easy. I just he's

446
00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,480
Speaker 4: another one. He reminds me of Gerald Miershark. That's that's

447
00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,560
Speaker 4: why I like that flight. I think I would absolutely

448
00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:26,800
Speaker 4: bully the shit out of him, and uh, I think

449
00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:27,320
Speaker 4: I would get.

450
00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,080
Speaker 3: A nasty, nasty knockout that would put me on the map.

451
00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,679
Speaker 3: So yeah, and I like it, you know what I mean.

452
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Speaker 4: He also has a really good threat, Like I know

453
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Speaker 4: that if I shot the shot that I shot on

454
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Speaker 4: a duel, he's very good, and he's good enough that

455
00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,920
Speaker 4: he could probably like sense something up. You know, they're

456
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Speaker 4: I don't think like when I look at like Gerald

457
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Speaker 4: and I look at Paul Craig, they're they're not UFC

458
00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,080
Speaker 4: title contenders, Like they'll never win a belt in my opinion,

459
00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,120
Speaker 4: but they're good enough to beat guys they're not supposed

460
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Speaker 4: to because they're very good at certain things. So you know,

461
00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,720
Speaker 4: I'm very aware of that, and and you know, anybody

462
00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,000
Speaker 4: can knocked out, So I would look like a total

463
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,960
Speaker 4: dickhead if I got slept, but I just don't.

464
00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,640
Speaker 3: He's another one of these things where I'm so good at.

465
00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,639
Speaker 4: My range, I think, and I like, I think Abdule

466
00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,240
Speaker 4: hit me one time with a like a very light

467
00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:15,720
Speaker 4: right hand as I would start going off the cage.

468
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Speaker 4: Otherwise I don't think I get hit in the face

469
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Speaker 4: of all. So yeah, and Abdulla is he was a

470
00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:21,720
Speaker 4: tough challenge, you know what I mean. So, but I

471
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Speaker 4: do think I can get that fight, and uh yeah,

472
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Speaker 4: I mean I really do want that fight. I was

473
00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 4: hoping they were gonna have the AC card and as

474
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Speaker 4: I was like plotting to call out Paul Craig after

475
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Speaker 4: my fight, he got a nasal Brandan and I told

476
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Speaker 4: Brendan I hated.

477
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Speaker 3: Him for it.

478
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Speaker 1: So well, we'll see what happens. I think Atlantic City

479
00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,239
Speaker 1: maybe in the not too distant future, but a lot

480
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,040
Speaker 1: of punchable faces for you in the UFC middleweight division.

481
00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,160
Speaker 1: Joe Pifer on Instagram. You can find him at Joe Pifer.

482
00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 1: One thing I do like to do to support select

483
00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,000
Speaker 1: athletes is buy merchandise. I mean, if somebody wants to

484
00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,560
Speaker 1: buy a be Joe Pifer T shirt, like, please tell

485
00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:56,600
Speaker 1: me they can fucking do that.

486
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

487
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

488
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Speaker 4: So I work with a company, an investment group Disruptive

489
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 4: with Alex Davis, and they just put together a website

490
00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,600
Speaker 4: for me. The link is in my bio and my

491
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 4: Instagram so you can click that. And there are beat

492
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,400
Speaker 4: Joe Pifer shirts and you know, Piper gear. So it's

493
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,239
Speaker 4: a very new website. We're gonna make it better. It's

494
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:15,960
Speaker 4: already got the hoodies. I would say, the hoodies are

495
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Speaker 4: really banging.

496
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:18,359
Speaker 3: The T shirts.

497
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Speaker 4: How we get a size up because they gave me

498
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 4: a large and I was like stretching the ship, so

499
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Speaker 4: I don't know, I didn't get that fat yet, but

500
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 4: but yeah, yeah, the links in my bio and obviously

501
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,680
Speaker 4: you know, I'm still still got that poor kid mentality.

502
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,280
Speaker 4: And you know, I want to buy a house one day,

503
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,880
Speaker 4: and I want to live like an old man.

504
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Speaker 3: I don't. I don't go out and party. You know,

505
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,320
Speaker 3: I did what I want, went and fucking ate pizza.

506
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 1: There you go, hey, man, schedule a.

507
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 4: Flight for later because there's no way I could deal

508
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 4: with the pain with my legs thropping like that.

509
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's my celebration. Go home and eat pizza.

510
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,639
Speaker 1: Well, get healthy, get a little bit fat, enjoy the

511
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 1: rest of the year, and very yoked up dog.

512
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Speaker 3: Come on, we ain't get.

513
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Speaker 1: Fat, don't get fat. Don't get fat. Enjoy the rest

514
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Speaker 1: of the year. Brother. We much appreciate the time. I

515
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 1: know you're a man in demand and we look forward

516
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,919
Speaker 1: to the Encore in twenty twenty four. Whenever you're healthy, brother, Thank.

517
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 3: You, thank you.

518
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 1: There he is at Joe Pifer on Instagram Joe p

519
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 1: y f e Er kids got his head on straight, man.

520
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,879
Speaker 1: I mean, Ken Flow was twenty when he was born,

521
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,719
Speaker 1: so that's working in his favor. It's crazy, man, you know.

522
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Speaker 6: I think what I like best is I get the

523
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,160
Speaker 6: sense and this is kind of my attitude I guess

524
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 6: when I was fighting, is I get the sense that

525
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,879
Speaker 6: he's in there to see how good he is. Like,

526
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,399
Speaker 6: he's in there to genuinely test himself and wait for

527
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Speaker 6: those right matchups that he feels he's ready for at

528
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Speaker 6: his stage.

529
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Speaker 1: Of his career.

530
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Speaker 6: And it's always, you know, a challenge. That's what he wants.

531
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Speaker 6: He's trying to see how damn good he can truly be.

532
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Speaker 6: And you can see in his work ethic and his performances. Man,

533
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Speaker 6: he's he definitely seems very focused man.

534
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 1: And every career is different in terms of how you

535
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Speaker 1: navigate certain things. Just take the weight cut, and I'm

536
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 1: sure you're sort of when he says traumatic, you know,

537
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 1: we're both sort of laughing a little bit, but understanding

538
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,919
Speaker 1: at least you are acutely what that trauma is all about.

539
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 1: But he's not the type of guy who's going to

540
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Speaker 1: be able to fight more than two or three times

541
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Speaker 1: a year because he's going to have to get his

542
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: body optimally prepared to get through the fight before the

543
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Speaker 1: fight be healthy. Dude.

544
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Speaker 6: Being aware of that, I think is so huge. You know,

545
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 6: for some fighters sometimes they lack the awareness of how

546
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 6: damn tough that weight cut is, and they're just going

547
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 6: to keep fighting consistently. But when you realize it's going

548
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 6: to diminish, you know, something from you long term, then

549
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 6: you know you kind of have to put the brakes

550
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Speaker 6: on it. And it seems like Piper is fully aware

551
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Speaker 6: of that.

552
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Speaker 1: He's got a lot of different ways to get you

553
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Speaker 1: out of there. He was a huge favorite and held

554
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Speaker 1: serve as such. Shall we congratulate and appreciate Joe Pifer?

555
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 1: And in terms of the nickname, right, it's Joe Bodybags Piper.

556
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 1: And I'm sure if you go to his Instagram page

557
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: there's body Bags gear as well. But were he ever

558
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Speaker 1: to have Bruce S. Buffer introduced him as Bee Joe Pifer,

559
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 1: I think the place would go Matt. So yeah, it's tough,

560
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 1: like what's your nickname? Be well, my nickname's body Bags.

561
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: But when I have Bruce Buffer introduced me, I just

562
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Speaker 1: go with b Joe Pifer because Dana White said it

563
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Speaker 1: and it has been branded into Eternity. All right. How

564
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 1: about Bobby King Green over Grant Dawson Kenny? How'd you

565
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Speaker 1: have a green By knockout at thirty three seconds around

566
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Speaker 1: one or no?

567
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Speaker 6: I wish I did. I wish I did. I did

568
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 6: not see it coming, certainly not in that manner. You know,

569
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 6: we all know about Bobby Green, and I said, listen,

570
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Speaker 6: if if Grant wasn't able to take down Bobby, then

571
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Speaker 6: he was going to be in trouble.

572
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 3: Now.

573
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Speaker 6: We never really even got to that point. It seemed

574
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Speaker 6: like it was just kind of a what was it

575
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 6: a left hand? It was a cross right down the middle,

576
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Speaker 6: and it didn't seem like it had too much on it.

577
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 6: I just don't think Grant saw it coming, and he

578
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Speaker 6: just folded him like fresh laundry man, and he kind

579
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Speaker 6: of went into that fetal position. Bobby Green is not

580
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 6: going to forgive from that position. Followed up with some

581
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 6: ground and pound and got Grant Dawson out of there.

582
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Speaker 6: To me, I just don't think we saw it much

583
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Speaker 6: of a fight, But again, huge result for Bobby Green.

584
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Speaker 6: Great to see that he's a guy that is always

585
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Speaker 6: going to be dangerous and perhaps now he seems focused

586
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 6: and has some momentum now as he starts to maybe

587
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Speaker 6: climb up those rankings.

588
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Speaker 1: But I think that was a.

589
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Speaker 6: Huge spot for Bobby Green and quite the disappointment, unfortunately

590
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Speaker 6: for Grant Dawson, who had his first main event. He

591
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Speaker 6: was coming in here, sounded like he was, you know,

592
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Speaker 6: in great spirits, had a great training camp and got

593
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Speaker 6: caught with that shot by Bobby Green and it was

594
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Speaker 6: all over pretty quickly then.

595
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Speaker 1: If memory serves. At one point, excuse me and our

596
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: fighter meeting, Bobby Green suggested that he wanted to buy

597
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Speaker 1: a house for each of his three kids, and I

598
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Speaker 1: think he has already accomplished that and he's on his

599
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Speaker 1: way to making some serious money. He is in lightweight

600
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Speaker 1: title contention. We could do a quarter of an hour

601
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Speaker 1: just in terms of career retrospective, career appreciation for Bobby Green.

602
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: There was a time when he had a lot of

603
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: red stripes on his Wikipedia page. You never fancied him

604
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: as this UFC headliner. Obviously, he stepped up in big

605
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: spots for the UFC, chief among them against Islam Maikashev.

606
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: He has had a lot of huge wins and getting

607
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Speaker 1: this one as such a big underdog and being the

608
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Speaker 1: first to beat Grant Dawson in the UFC like this

609
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Speaker 1: to take his o professionally is absolutely huge. But there's

610
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Speaker 1: a lot to unpack on the grand Dawson side, I think,

611
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Speaker 1: even though there's not a lot of footage here, and

612
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Speaker 1: that's why we are going to talk to his head

613
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: coach Mike Brown here coming up in about thirty five minutes.

614
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Speaker 1: What do you say about grand Dawson other than the

615
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Speaker 1: fact that he did not see the shot coming right?

616
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Speaker 1: I know on our Anakin Floorydan podcast text chain, there's

617
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Speaker 1: conversations about his chin and oftentimes when we get short

618
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Speaker 1: change by a main event, it is not our intention

619
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Speaker 1: to at all takeaway from the winner, Bobby Green. But

620
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Speaker 1: what do you make of the grand Dawson side, because

621
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Speaker 1: he's sort of minimizing this as a setback. You know,

622
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Speaker 1: I'm big on this being a two year setback. What

623
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Speaker 1: do you have for me on the grand Dahnson side

624
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 1: other than the fact that clearly he did not see

625
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Speaker 1: the shot coming.

626
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Speaker 6: Yeah, listen, I think that you know, this is most

627
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,479
Speaker 6: certainly going to push him back significantly. He's in a

628
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 6: division with a bunch of killers. This division is loaded

629
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Speaker 6: with talent, loaded with skill, and if you're failing in

630
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 6: a position like that, and this is no disrespect against

631
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 6: Bobby Green, because he is very, very dangerous, but I'm

632
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Speaker 6: not sure I would qualify that this stage from what

633
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 6: I've seen as elite. So I think that if you're

634
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 6: not getting by the guys like a Bobby Green, then

635
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 6: it probably means that you're just not ready for that spot.

636
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 6: You're certainly not ready to really deal with the great

637
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 6: fighters in the top fifteen. So it means he's got

638
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 6: to go back to the drawing board, built up his skills,

639
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,959
Speaker 6: figure out a way of trying to nullify that backhand

640
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 6: of his opponents and being comfortable in that boxing range,

641
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 6: because we all know, hey, Grant gets you on the ground,

642
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 6: he could do some great things there no question about

643
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 6: he can outposition. You could take the back very well,

644
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 6: all those things, but the fight starts on defeat. You

645
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 6: have to know how to deal with punches. You got

646
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 6: to know how to set up punches properly. And I

647
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 6: think he I don't know he was telegraphing that shot,

648
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 6: Bobby Green got out of the way, laid his shot,

649
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 6: and just Grant just never expected it. So to me

650
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 6: it shows he has a long way to go when

651
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Speaker 6: it comes to the striking aspect of this.

652
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Speaker 1: I think you put that well. However, unfortunately, maybe for

653
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 1: the Grant Dawson corner or camp to hear now he

654
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: is still fully of the belief that he is going

655
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: to be a world champion, and confidence and self belief

656
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: are very powerful things. And I have no doubt in

657
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: terms of the desire and the commitment that all of

658
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: the right work will be done. And this is not

659
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: a career referendum on Grant Dawson, but right this was

660
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: the test at this point in time that not just

661
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: the betting public, but you know, most of the mma

662
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: world expected him to pass, and to not pass it

663
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: with flying colors like this, the thirty three second loss

664
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Speaker 1: is a really, really difficult thing, and I think the

665
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: build back is certainly something that bears watching for Grant Dawson.

666
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: But you know, there are a lot of analogies in

667
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: terms of like the confidence and you know, we've talked

668
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: about it on my podcast with my twin brother Annix

669
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: Squared about Zach Wilson, New York Jets quarterback, like does

670
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: he want to be there? You know? And some people

671
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: were wondering at the end of this fight, like did

672
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: Grant Dawson want to be there? Like they didn't necessarily

673
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: see the urgency and the desperation after that left hand.

674
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: And I can't necessarily sit here and be critical as

675
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: far as that part of the fight is concerned, because

676
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: I'm not a fighter. But there is going to be

677
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: that criticism for Grant Dawson to address based upon the

678
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: way that fight ended as well.

679
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 6: Thank you for bringing that up, because I think that's

680
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 6: very important to talk about as well. You know, this

681
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 6: isn't Grant Dawson's first fight. This isn't him in the

682
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 6: Ultimate Fighter one the finale where you you know, you

683
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 6: get overwhelmed and you cover up and then you realize

684
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 6: you're bleeding and then by the time you're trying to

685
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 6: get back into the fight, they're stopping the fight, and

686
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 6: to see him kind of ball up like that after

687
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 6: eating that shot, it wasn't quite the response that I

688
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 6: expected from someone like Grant Dawson at this stage of

689
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 6: his career. He's had a bunch of fights in the

690
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 6: UFC already, and so I think that, you know, they

691
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 6: say the truth, the true test of a fighter is

692
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 6: when things aren't going well for them, and we never

693
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 6: saw him even attempt to really battle back from that,

694
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 6: and I think that's what's a little concerning. And that

695
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 6: and the fact that he was dropped on the chin

696
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 6: with that shot, which to me, again I was not

697
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 6: in there eating that shot, so I can't say with

698
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 6: a one hundred percent confidence, but it didn't seem like

699
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 6: a big shot. And the fact that he was dropped

700
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 6: so quickly and the response that followed wasn't a great sign.

701
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 6: And that's where, you know, I think, as a fighter,

702
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 6: you need some of that awareness of, Okay, why did

703
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 6: that happen? First of all, from a technical standpoint and

704
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 6: from a mental spiritual standpoint, why did I react like that?

705
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: Was I genuinely messed up?

706
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 6: Was I actually there or did I fall to the

707
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 6: pressure of that moment? And I think that's a question

708
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 6: that only Grant Dawson to come up with, and it's, hey, great,

709
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 6: believe you're gonna be a world champion. Tell everybody you're

710
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 6: gonna be a world champion.

711
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: Believe it. Put that work ethic in. But you also

712
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: have to be realistic. What are your results telling you?

713
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: I think that that's something.

714
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 6: There is this kind of there's the inner part of

715
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 6: it and there's the outer part of it. Is what

716
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 6: is reality actually dictating to you?

717
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Speaker 1: Knowing Grant Dawson the way I do, I believe that

718
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: if there were a similar circumstance in his next fight,

719
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: that you would see that desperation, you know. But like

720
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: you know, you could run into somebody like Dan Hooker

721
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to kill a man right before

722
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: you get him out of that octagony. So we'll see

723
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: where Grant Dawson goes from here. Sometimes talking heads are

724
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: criticized for the notion that we anoint guys, and I

725
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: don't know that there was any anointing of Grant Dawson.

726
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: We put him on the Anticin Flooring podcast. I certainly

727
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: believed in him based upon results, based upon his last

728
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: performance against Emirsmagoulab and again, not a lot of fight

729
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: footage here, but Bobby Green's the one who spins this

730
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: forward to the positive number thirteen in the world coming

731
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: in ken Flow, and he's the guy who wants the

732
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: Dan Hooker fight. I think he maybe even wants it

733
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: before the end of the year. But dude, what else

734
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: can you say about a guy who competed during your

735
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: era that Bobby King Green is still getting it done

736
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: and headlining for the UFC and getting all the fruits

737
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: that come with it.

738
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Speaker 6: Man, it's extremely impressive, man, And to see him, you know,

739
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 6: at least take a different approach than maybe he's had before.

740
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 6: I think that he's being more realistic with what he's

741
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 6: about and what he brings to the octagon each time,

742
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 6: and I think that has helped him focus and kind

743
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 6: of booy his spirits a little bit. And we're seeing

744
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 6: this resurgence because of it. And it's great to see

745
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 6: guys that have been around for that long to see

746
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 6: where he has come from and to see where he

747
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 6: is at now.

748
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Speaker 1: It's always a great story, man.

749
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, And again I think that we all kind of

750
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 6: underestimated him a little bit, and even his fight against

751
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 6: Tony Ferguson. You know, I know, I kind of maybe

752
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 6: downplayed his ground skills a bit, but the fact that

753
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 6: he got a submission wait over Tony Ferguson is no joke, dude.

754
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 6: So he's clearly working on his game. He's focused on

755
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 6: being a better fighter, and we're seeing some great results

756
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 6: because of it.

757
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: Very happy for Bobby King Green, who I believe has

758
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: officially changed his name to King Green, so we have

759
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: not gone with that on the air, but he is

760
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: actually King Green, I believe on his California driver's license

761
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,720
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Speaker 1: us get to the star of the show, Ray Longo.

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Speaker 2: It is now time for the Ray Longo Minutes, and

797
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna point someone on this fucking subs.

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Speaker 3: That's what I want, the Ray Longo minute.

799
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Speaker 2: Sorry, the John Nick and Kenny Florian podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm may look at you.

801
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 5: I'm I going yeah from my Hayze hole at a place. Hey, Kenny,

802
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 5: knocking it out of the park again. On Bobby Green,

803
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 5: I couldn't agree with you more. He's one guy that

804
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 5: knows exactly what he's doing right now. I think he's

805
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 5: has a great time, very talented. I would have even

806
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 5: given him the PHYSI FI. I thought he fought for

807
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 5: Ze beautifully at that time. And uh, he's got his

808
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 5: own style. Man, He's he's he's one hundred percent of

809
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 5: tough out and like again, I think he's making some money.

810
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 5: He's enjoying himself at thirty eight years old. I think

811
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 5: he reinvented himself. Like Kenny says, I just think he's

812
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 5: in a good spot, gonna lose, He's going to push on,

813
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 5: and I don't think he's an easy out for anybody.

814
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: Your hair is not an easy out for your barber.

815
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: What is going on?

816
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 5: What does what's in my hair? No?

817
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: It looks so you get your hip orplace? Does that

818
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: mean you don't keep up with any sort of grooming

819
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: or hygie? What do we do?

820
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 5: I couldn't even I couldn't even sit in a chair

821
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:41,919
Speaker 5: up until two weeks ago.

822
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: All right, So what's the update on this week? What's

823
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: the update on the hip? I'm just messing with you,

824
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: just having a little fun.

825
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 5: I feel good, Yeah, I'm actually what are we doing Tuesday?

826
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 5: What happened? Now?

827
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: Flow? That's Kenny my fault, it is.

828
00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 5: I mean, he's poor. Poor guy's are fucking starving for content.

829
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 5: We just caught you. We thought you.

830
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 1: Whether people like me or don't, I am a man

831
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: of veracity. So when I suggest this to you people,

832
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: I hope you take it as nothing but the truth.

833
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 1: When we do the podcast schedule, the number one priorities

834
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: can flow, followed closely by Ray Longo. Period Kenny fought

835
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: for the UFC World Championship three times. I've never been a.

836
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 5: Fighter place, so second place so it's wait, wait, it's

837
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 5: Ken float me.

838
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Kenny had a conflict. So we're here on

839
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: a Tuesday in all our glory.

840
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 5: Joke knock, who's there? Second place?

841
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 3: Who?

842
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,240
Speaker 1: So there's so much too, there's so much to sort

843
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: of unpack with you on this main event, even though

844
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: it was only thirty three seconds. We can all sit

845
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: here and marvel at Bobby Green as a massive betting underdog.

846
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: Take in Grant Dawson, z O like this. We're going

847
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: to talk to Mike Brown, Grand Dawson's coach here in

848
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: about twenty five minutes. What are your thoughts on a

849
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: fighter now like Grant Dawson as he tries to rebuild.

850
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:10,919
Speaker 5: No, I think it's I think he's going to grow

851
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 5: from that loss. Uh, you know, things were going his

852
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 5: way and uh up until that fight. Look, he got

853
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 5: caught with one punch by a by by a tricky fighter,

854
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 5: Bobby Green. Really he's a really good he's a really

855
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 5: good striker with his own style, that he he's molded

856
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 5: into now and he's very comfortable with He doesn't mind

857
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 5: getting hit to hit you. Uh, you know, I think

858
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 5: I think Grant Dawson grows from this and and I

859
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 5: don't think it's a like a major step back. I

860
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 5: mean it's it's obviously it's a it's a step back.

861
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 5: But I think the adversity and going through this is

862
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 5: going to help me. He's a smart fight at Grant Dawson.

863
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 5: I think it's going to be one little blip in

864
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 5: the radar. But he got caught. Man, you know, that's

865
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 5: just part of the game. Man. You're not getting out

866
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 5: of this game without a couple of losses here and

867
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 5: there and one of you know, a law one of

868
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 5: two losses doesn't define a champion, you know what I mean.

869
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 5: It's he could always come back from that. So this

870
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 5: sport is crazy. It's not like boxing. And I don't

871
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 5: know if you guys were listening to Bernard Hopkins on Rogan,

872
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 5: but you know boxing, if you had one loss, you

873
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 5: were almost considered. That's what Bernard Hopkins said. He lost

874
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 5: his first fight, then he rang up ten wins. I

875
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 5: think I think this is what he were saying. But

876
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 5: even at ten and one, they didn't even take them serious.

877
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 5: You know, if you're ten and one in the UFC,

878
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 5: that's a huge accompany. Yeah, you know, because you're not

879
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 5: getting fed fighters, you're fighting whoever the hell they throw

880
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 5: in front of you. Things are going to be tough.

881
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 5: It's a totally different model back in the day boxing. Man,

882
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 5: your first sixteen seventeen fights could be against all technically

883
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 5: tomato cans, and then they would try to build your slowly,

884
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 5: test you here and there. But man, you get thrown

885
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 5: into the frying pan in the UFC right away. I

886
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 5: think that's the way Dana likes it, and I think

887
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 5: he found a recipe for it, and I think, you know,

888
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 5: people appreciate it. But it's no easy time UFC. You're

889
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 5: not getting a chance to pick your fights. Every so often.

890
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 5: You know, they maneuver a guy here and there, but

891
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 5: for the most part, man, those fights are tough.

892
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: Like if I'm Grand Dawson, I'm trying to get back

893
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: in there as soon as humanly possible. Now, there may

894
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: be no frying pan in the whole UFC as hot

895
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: as the UFC's lightweight division. Ray, you see what I

896
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: did there, But I just feel like his next fight

897
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: is going to be an absolute killer in the top eighteen,

898
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: if not top fifteen. Right, I mean, so, I just

899
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: if I'm Grant Dawson, I'm trying to flip the page

900
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: on this thing. I don't know that he was concussed,

901
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: but I'm trying to flip the page on this thing

902
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: as soon as humanly possible.

903
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 5: Uh. But he got hit with one shot, right, did

904
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 5: he get hit after the all.

905
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: Like shots on the ground. Yeah, he's fine, I think.

906
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 5: Said he take a couple of shots on the ground. Yeah,

907
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 5: I think he'll be fine. Yeah. I mean, I think

908
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 5: sometimes it helps when it's that quick because you can

909
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 5: move on, you know. Was it like a lengthy fifteen

910
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 5: minute back and forth beating where those those fights are

911
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 5: hard to come back from you he just gets annihilated.

912
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,439
Speaker 5: So I think he's with a good camp and he'll

913
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 5: make the I think he'll make the adjustments and come back.

914
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: So I'd like to get to a few other things

915
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: from UFC Fight Night, Dawson versus Green, And then I

916
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: just wanted to talk about a couple of your local

917
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: guys because there have been some recent results, even over

918
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: the last two or three weeks that we haven't necessarily

919
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: gotten to with you, even friend of the program, Justin Montalvo,

920
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 1: kid Marvelous. I want to talk about that over the

921
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: weekend some other things.

922
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, great.

923
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: But in terms of this UFC Fight Night, whether it

924
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: was Joe Pifer or Joaquin Buckley, Drew Dober moving out

925
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: of that time with Dustin Poier is the most decorated

926
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: knockout artist in UFC lightweight history, Bill Algo canniball coming

927
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: at one hundred and forty five pounds. Excuse me any

928
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: major takeaways from fight Night before we move on to

929
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:46,919
Speaker 1: your locals.

930
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 5: Me, you could talk about any one of those guys

931
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 5: you mentioned. Bill Aljo was a Bill Aljo and then

932
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 5: Joe Pifer guys on the local circuit. So I got

933
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 5: to see those guys a lot before they made it

934
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 5: to the UFC, and they were crushing it on the

935
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 5: local circuit and I'm glad to see them doing good

936
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 5: in the UFC. Doba pathy yourself at act guy, what

937
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 5: a just a nice guy bouncing back from the for

938
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 5: Bola loss for the performance like that? Uh, pats off

939
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 5: to him? Who else did you mention in there? We

940
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 5: covered three?

941
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: I mentioned the new mansa joking Buckley over Alex Morono.

942
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: Pretty clean unanimous decision there. Uh yeah, no, that's good.

943
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: I got a lot to get to with you, so

944
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: we don't mean to short change that card. Your bonus

945
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: winners Bobby Green, Joe Pifer, whom you just heard from,

946
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: Drew Dover, and Nate Manesse or Manas apologized there all right.

947
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: I also have some Rob Dwallace Wally stuff coming up. Race,

948
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: So don't think today, you know, yeah, exercisin, what are

949
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 1: you doing? So you walking around? You can what's going on.

950
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 5: I'm getting toll you. Today is gonna be the first

951
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 5: day after the podcast. I'm going to the gym. I'm

952
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 5: getting the workout.

953
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 1: Nice, that's breaking news. Huh, somma Fighting dot Com. I

954
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: made junk you hear that.

955
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 5: It's going to be a modified worker. But I'm going

956
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 5: to actually try to hit and hold the pants today

957
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 5: for the first time. Oh yeah, that goes. I'm actually

958
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 5: excited for that.

959
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: Let's go, and.

960
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 5: I got to follow Yeah, I got tomorrow. I got

961
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 5: to follow up with the doctor at HSS and hopefully

962
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 5: just cuts me loose and lets me do whatever the

963
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 5: hell I want to do. That's what I'm hoping.

964
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: For I know that going into UFC two ninety two

965
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: with Chris Wadman and al Jamain Sterling, this all was

966
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: weighing heavily on you. The trip to Vegas, of course

967
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: for the Contender Series a few days prior. I bet

968
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: if I would have told you then just get me

969
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: to October tenth, you would have taken that every day

970
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: of the week. So here you are, You're out the

971
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: other side, and we're excited to see ye healthy.

972
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 5: Obviously, thanks, thank you very much. I appreciate that it

973
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 5: was way tougher though, all right, but it's all good.

974
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 5: I feel really really good. Go ahead, Ella.

975
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: Tour three hundred over the week, Kenny and I did

976
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: not ingest this fight card. Kenny, you didn't see this,

977
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: did you? I did not. Ken Fler's got a bunch

978
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: of young kids and everything else. You know, I got

979
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: a puppy over the goddamn weekend, so just a month. Yeah,

980
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,720
Speaker 1: we know you like dogs. Your dog has not uh

981
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:16,720
Speaker 1: sabotaged our show in months.

982
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 5: Yeah. I know she's locked up right now because she's

983
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 5: she's she's horrible, but uh, Bell Talk three hundred with Justin.

984
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: Justin Montalvo, Kid Marvel as Friend of the Show goes

985
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: down by unanimous decision.

986
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 5: You know, really unfortunate circumstances, I think. Anyway, I'm not

987
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 5: making excuses, but you know it's funny when that he

988
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 5: was the second fight before the main card, and I'm

989
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 5: looking at the number of fights and I cool, Steve Lee, go,

990
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 5: anybody talked to you about they're going to have this

991
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 5: fight after the main event? And he goes, oh, no,

992
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 5: you know, don't do this to me. You know, he

993
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 5: thinks I'm fucking with him. I go, do this, like

994
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 5: six fights to go to is an hour before the

995
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 5: main card, like they they're gonna have to do it.

996
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 5: Because I've been around along when they used to have

997
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 5: those swing bouts. I've been involved in a bunch of those,

998
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,959
Speaker 5: you know, where you don't even know when you're gonna

999
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 5: fight at the beginning of the main card, in the

1000
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 5: middle or after the main event. That's the way he

1001
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 5: used to be. Whoever, they had the programming. You know,

1002
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 5: now they got the programming down, I think so tight

1003
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 5: that this should never happen, right, they have everything scheduled.

1004
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 5: But for whatever reason, so then they came in and

1005
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 5: told him, you know, he was already warmed up, and

1006
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 5: then he had to wait another two and a half

1007
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 5: hours or two hours or whatever. And you know, I

1008
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 5: talked to him the other day, just said, man, I

1009
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 5: just first round it was just like cramped up and cold,

1010
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 5: and man, he just it was like the worst first

1011
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 5: round I've ever seen that. It just wasn't him. And

1012
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,439
Speaker 5: then you could see as the fight went on. By

1013
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 5: the third round, it looked like he was almost even

1014
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,439
Speaker 5: gonna take the guy out. He just woke up and

1015
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 5: started fighting. But if he would have started sooner, he

1016
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 5: one hundred percent wins that fight. I think anybody who

1017
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 5: sort of fight. You could see in the third round

1018
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 5: when he started to do what he's supposed to be doing,

1019
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 5: the other guy had no answers for it.

1020
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: Kenny, obviously you can speak to this whole post limb scenario.

1021
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: There's just no excuse for this in two thousand twenty

1022
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: three to have a pre limb fighter, you know, being

1023
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: sort of warm up and don't all that bullet. I mean,

1024
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: are you serious, Like you're effectively blowing my mind right now, Kenny,

1025
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 1: you were involved in this like twenty years ago, right,

1026
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: I mean, oh, you're on mute.

1027
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 6: Sorry, when you have swing belts, right, I mean, when

1028
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 6: you had swing belts, you'd go in there, you'd have

1029
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 6: you warm up all that stuff. But like you know,

1030
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 6: fighting at the UFC also already could be a pretty

1031
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 6: stressful thing, and you know, not being in that right

1032
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 6: mindset and being kind of geared up and then kind

1033
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 6: of have to be brought down again can mess with you.

1034
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: And it can obviously affect the performance for sure. I

1035
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: can't even believe that's still happening. Yeah, yeah, list never

1036
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: do that.

1037
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 5: Great story, So, no, no way. I think Dana would

1038
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 5: blow an absolute fit. And that's the beauty of thaying

1039
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 5: he's gonna have things knocked down, and you know he

1040
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 5: wants his way, and you know he's got a great recipe.

1041
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 5: But I'll give you a funny story years ago, Kenny,

1042
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 5: remember when we were they were holding those fights at

1043
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 5: the original hard Rock?

1044
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1045
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,280
Speaker 5: Did you ever fight there at the original High.

1046
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Yeah.

1047
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 5: So it's Luke Como's fighting Jonathan Gulay. Was it Jonathan

1048
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 5: Gulay from Canada? Yeah, guy with the red hair, Kenny,

1049
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 5: I think. But he's fighting him and they don't know

1050
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 5: when the fight's gonna go on, So they said, you know,

1051
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 5: it could be here, could be there, it could be

1052
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 5: after the main event. So we're like the last fight.

1053
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,879
Speaker 5: Now We're sitting in that tiny dressing room, and I'm

1054
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 5: like going that. You know, Gulay was more of like

1055
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 5: a wrestler. I knew Luke would outstrike him easily. And

1056
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 5: I hear something. I mean, it was out of that

1057
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 5: movie Kickboxer where the guy's kicking the pole and you

1058
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 5: just and it was such as there was only a

1059
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,760
Speaker 5: curtain separate and I'm like, this cannot be Jonathan Gulay.

1060
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 5: I mean, you knew that whatever was going on on

1061
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 5: the other side of the curtain was just it was devastating.

1062
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 5: I tell by the way the pads were cracking. And

1063
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 5: so I can't even I go, I gotta, I gotta

1064
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 5: see if this is him, you know, maybe get a

1065
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 5: jump on, like a strategy something different. I peeked behind

1066
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 5: the curtain. It's Anderson Silver. I didn't even realize he

1067
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 5: hadn't fought yet. I thought it was it was just

1068
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 5: Gulay and Luke left. It was Gulay, Luke Liban, and

1069
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 5: Anderson Silver. And I was Anderson Silver's first fight against

1070
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 5: Chris Leeban. But crazy, I mean, I did not know

1071
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 5: that that fight was. I didn't know if it was over.

1072
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 5: It was it. But when I heard a dude killing

1073
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 5: the pads killing him and I'm like, holy shit, I

1074
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 5: thought that guy was a wrestler. Gut striking at least

1075
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 5: sounds good, but yeah, crazy. That was a swing bountain.

1076
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 5: When the Drago Beeperoni, uh you know, we were all

1077
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 5: in the dressing room, I think it was. I was

1078
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 5: with like we were like four a ka guys. Oh man,

1079
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 5: who was the heavyweight they had this?

1080
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1081
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he was in the he was fight.

1082
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: I forget who was every time before fight every time,

1083
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:21,280
Speaker 1: and meant.

1084
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 5: Every time he's in there, he's in the john, he's

1085
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 5: in the bit. I mean just and I'm looking around

1086
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 5: like everybody's acting like it's no, I go is that

1087
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 5: guy all right? And he does this all the time. Yeah,

1088
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 5: So it was. It was crazy, but he ended up

1089
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 5: Baroni ended up fighting uh Drago after the main events.

1090
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 5: So it's a shitty position to be in, and if

1091
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 5: you're not used to it, you never it's hard to

1092
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 5: adjust this so that you know, like again, look what

1093
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 5: I told the kid is the other guy had to

1094
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 5: go through the same thing. You had to go through also,

1095
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 5: so it kind of evens the playing field here. But

1096
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 5: if your body was ready to go oh and then

1097
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 5: you start cramping up, I don't care who else, you know,

1098
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 5: maybe the other guy to deal with it. Bet. It

1099
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 5: just it sucked because you know, he was coming off

1100
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 5: a loss, and I knew he was fighting an undefeated

1101
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 5: guy this time, which goes to show you what we

1102
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 5: were talking about. There's no easy matches, right, I mean,

1103
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 5: he came off a loss to Archie Colgan and they

1104
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 5: give him an undefeated Russian kid. So it is what

1105
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 5: it is. But if you go back and watch the

1106
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 5: fight start the third round and work your way backwards, you'll.

1107
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: Like it all that.

1108
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 5: But whatever, that's it.

1109
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 1: No, and it is sort of a longer conversation. Fighting

1110
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: is just such a hard sport to begin with when

1111
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: you inject a variable like that, and even it makes

1112
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: me think about during the COVID climate in the UFC

1113
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,439
Speaker 1: when they were spraying down the octagon, and that wasn't

1114
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: necessarily why guys were slipping, but there were times where

1115
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: fighters were slipping and I just was thinking to myself, Man,

1116
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: I hope that this doesn't start impacting results. And it

1117
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: just got me thinking too of out like local MMA,

1118
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: regional MMA. You show up and you're fighting on like

1119
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: a slippery surface. There are just so many things that

1120
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 1: fighters have to deal with that are unforeseen, and to

1121
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: be in a major promotion, so to speak, even if

1122
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: it was their last show and dealing with this nothing

1123
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: good about it?

1124
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that. Look, that's my takeaway. When I

1125
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 5: was watching it unfold, I was like, who knows what's

1126
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 5: going to happen with Belatov? But they crammed as many

1127
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 5: fights as they could on the card, and they just

1128
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 5: didn't prepare. They were an in coordination with the programming

1129
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 5: side of it. They just had to go back and

1130
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 5: look at the prelims. There was probably I think it

1131
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 5: was eighteen prelums before the main card or twelve for

1132
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 5: whatever it was. It was a lot, and they looked

1133
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 5: like they just had to get guys fights before maybe

1134
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,879
Speaker 5: something's going to go down, and whatever it was, it

1135
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 5: was a business decision, but a couple of guys the

1136
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 5: last two fights got screwed on that.

1137
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: Cody. Can you look up how many fights there were

1138
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: at belatour three hundred and I will give our UFC

1139
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: producers a lot of credit because they do have to

1140
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: manage and navigate that clock and there are times where

1141
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: maybe they have the liberty to bleed over. But it

1142
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 1: can be very tricky, especially when you're dealing with featured

1143
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: prelims leading into a pay per view and trying to

1144
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: time it perfectly. And a guy wins a big fight

1145
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: right the main event so to speak on the prelims,

1146
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: and he can't get an interview because we got to

1147
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: go to pay per view. There's a lot of difficult

1148
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 1: things when it comes to produce a lot of them.

1149
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 5: So yeah, and I'll tell you the UFC does do

1150
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,879
Speaker 5: a great job. And look, even as a trainer, I'm

1151
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 5: always asking when will the guy go on, Like, will

1152
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 5: give me the you know, if you want to get

1153
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,919
Speaker 5: that you know, you need that information so the guy

1154
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 5: doesn't warm up too soon or too late. And you know,

1155
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 5: depending on you know, what type of fight you have

1156
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 5: fighting for you. But you know they're really good. You

1157
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 5: know it's going to be five minutes we'll walk in

1158
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 5: five minutes after the end of this fight, you know.

1159
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 5: And they're always dive, don't I don't remember them making

1160
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 5: a mistake and ye like they've been dead on you know,

1161
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 5: especially even when when Bert was there, he was he

1162
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 5: had that shit nailed down man perfectly. So they do

1163
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 5: a great job with that. But how frustrating is that

1164
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 5: when you're warming up and you're getting a sweat going, Kenny,

1165
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 5: and then you got to sit down for like two hours.

1166
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 5: You know, it's just I think it's unfortunate, but again,

1167
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 5: everybody has to deal with it and part of the game,

1168
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 5: I guess, but I felt bad for well, you know,

1169
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 5: the way that unfolded.

1170
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,439
Speaker 1: My best high school basketball games always when I threw

1171
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: up prior, not that I was anything great, but I

1172
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: played well a couple times. So I guess that's a

1173
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,919
Speaker 1: wrap for you on the Contender series, Dana Whites. Contender series.

1174
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: This summer you had Dylan Montello fought September nineteenth, was

1175
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: unable to get the job done. Nobody else Right, Well.

1176
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 5: Oh, I'm thinking to you, you threw up before the basket,

1177
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 5: and did you do that added nerves or you wanted

1178
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 5: your nerves to smell bad so nobody would guard you. Yeah,

1179
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 5: you had an open shot at the basket.

1180
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: No, it was nerves. Oftentimes before home games, especially night games,

1181
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: fighting in front of you know, all my girlfriend and

1182
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,959
Speaker 1: all my friends and family, right, and we had this big,

1183
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: sort of drawn out entrance with fucking hip hop music

1184
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: and everything. Fucking shave my head before the game, you know, man,

1185
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: I thought I was something that I was nothing. I

1186
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: was nothing.

1187
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 5: No, that's always something, you kidd.

1188
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: I got a picture around here somewhere, I don't know. Yeah,

1189
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,720
Speaker 1: you don't need to see that. It to me making ai.

1190
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: It's me driving, to me driving to the hoop. I

1191
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 1: probably missed the fucking layup, all right. A few other

1192
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: things with Ray Longo, The Ray long Minute every week

1193
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: here on the Attican Florian podcast, on the DraftKings Network

1194
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 1: and on the DraftKings YouTube channel and wherever you get

1195
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 1: your podcasts. So uh, Mattauje Gamroths has been tabbed is

1196
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: the backup for the lightweight championship fight between Islamikashev and

1197
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 1: Charles Olivera that is eleven days from right now. And

1198
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: this news was confirmed by Dana White fairly recently. Now,

1199
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: we've had a lot of different situations with backups. Some

1200
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:56,359
Speaker 1: m'd imagine are far more prepared than others. But Sente Luke,

1201
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 1: you may recall, got like seven days notice to be

1202
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: a backup and missweight by twelve pounds. It was the

1203
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: most insane circumstance for a true professional to have to

1204
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: deal with. So I guess I'm just curious how as

1205
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 1: a coach, I'm gonna ask Mike Brown this in ten minutes,

1206
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: how did you navigate that type of circumstance, especially when

1207
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: it's like a title fight, not just a big fight

1208
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: or a main event, but a UFC championship fight? Like

1209
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 1: what are you trying to do? You're trying to get

1210
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 1: Gamrock to peak or just to make weight? Like, how

1211
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: do you navigate that as a coach?

1212
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 5: Oh, that's short of notice?

1213
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he just fought fairly recently.

1214
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 5: One hundred percent. He's in a horrible spot because to

1215
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 5: put your body through that in that short period of

1216
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 5: time has already put you at a disadvantage. I mean, look, man,

1217
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 5: it's all mental at that point. These guys know how

1218
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 5: to fight. And if he says he could do it,

1219
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 5: and he feels comfortable doing it, then you give it

1220
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 5: a shot. Man. It's a once in a lifetime thing,

1221
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,919
Speaker 5: so you can't you have to take the shot, I think.

1222
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 5: But that's a weird position as a coach to be

1223
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 5: in because you know the guy's going to be at

1224
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 5: a disadvantage. It has to be you know how long

1225
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 5: ago was this fight? It was what was it two

1226
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 5: weeks ago?

1227
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: A few weeks ago, and it didn't go very long.

1228
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 1: Obviously Rafael Fhazee got hurt. But sometimes too you wonder

1229
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,919
Speaker 1: like do they get the other athletes in this case,

1230
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: is La Makashev and Charles Olavera right, like they're not

1231
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: agreeing to separate terms to fight mattaus Gamrod. I think

1232
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: it's something that you deal with as a hurdle when

1233
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: it comes right. If one fighter falls ill or misses, wait,

1234
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: then you have Gamrot there, and then you go to

1235
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: Olavera or Mikashev and say, here are the terms. Will

1236
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: you fight mattaus Gamrod even though you didn't do anything

1237
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 1: to prepare for that particular challenge. But Gamrod Ray was

1238
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: AKSW world champion at one hundred and forty five pounds,

1239
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: like Justin Gaichee seemingly is the number one contender as

1240
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: the winner of that BMF belt, But Gaichi's not flying

1241
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: to Abu Dhabi awigh in as a backup.

1242
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 5: I wouldn't think, yeah, well, I mean look, you know what,

1243
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:54,479
Speaker 5: what's the question again?

1244
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: I mean, like, no, there's no question, it's a conversation.

1245
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: We move on.

1246
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, I'm just saying, gamrocks in a weird spot.

1247
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 5: I don't know if there's anything you could do. You

1248
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,399
Speaker 5: don't have much time. You just hope that you can

1249
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 5: get the guy's weight down without killing them and he

1250
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 5: could perform at the best that he that he's going

1251
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:11,919
Speaker 5: to be able to perform it. I don't think there's

1252
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 5: you know, it doesn't become like a strategy thing at

1253
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 5: that point. You don't even have enough time, although you know,

1254
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 5: the good guys you could make adjustments on the fly

1255
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 5: and stuff. But yeah, everybody's like you say, I think

1256
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 5: everybody's in a weird position. Those guys are trained to

1257
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 5: fight each other and then if something happens, they got

1258
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 5: to get a totally new guy. I don't you know.

1259
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 5: That's crazy too. So look from being around a lot,

1260
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 5: that's how important. Like as a promoter, that's you you

1261
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 5: don't want to see your main event can't fall apart.

1262
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 5: That's like, that's the worst possible nightmare you could have.

1263
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 5: That's going to be a call that day when the

1264
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 5: phone rings and it's a day before the fight. He

1265
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 5: doesn't want he doesn't want to pick up the phone,

1266
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 5: I could guarantee because he doesn't want to hear any

1267
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 5: bad news. So he wants to fight to go on

1268
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 5: as a promoter, right And and honestly, the fighters, you know,

1269
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 5: they're making decent money, they're going to fight anybody. They're

1270
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 5: not gonna. I don't think they're gonna. You know, some

1271
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 5: guys are gonna say, look, I didn't train to fight him,

1272
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna fight him. But I think most guys

1273
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 5: just want to fight. You know, when you get up

1274
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 5: to the championship type of fights, it changes, man, Yeah,

1275
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 5: it changes if you were like a prelim fighter and

1276
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 5: they wanted you to take a short notice fight, you know,

1277
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 5: because everybody's working their way up. So it's a little tricky,

1278
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 5: I think, but the show must go on. I think

1279
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 5: that's the bottom line.

1280
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: Lightweight title spots are so hard to come by, right,

1281
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: I mean, Connor McGregor could come back first quarter twenty

1282
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: twenty four and knock Michael Chandler's head off, and then

1283
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you got that problem to deal with, right,

1284
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: Like if you're Mataw's Gamard, and you can make the

1285
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: weight as a fighter who has competed and realized success

1286
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: ten pounds south of their forty five. You fly to

1287
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:48,479
Speaker 1: Abu Dabi, you make the weight, you make the money,

1288
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: and you don't necessarily hope for something to go wrong

1289
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: with one of those guys, but you try to get

1290
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 1: as ready as possible, all right before we let you go.

1291
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And let me just say one other things.

1292
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 5: I mean, I did have like a similar situation you're

1293
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 5: on with Aya Quinta and Kabeb. Right, he was training

1294
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 5: for Felder, but he trained for a three round fight

1295
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 5: against a striker and then he took that fight with

1296
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 5: Kabeeb on you know, a twenty four hour notice, and

1297
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 5: you know, during the shakeout, yeah, we definitely you know,

1298
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 5: Sarah was going through how to get up on some

1299
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 5: of those things, and I think Al did a great job,

1300
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 5: you know, sometimes going to his back to get up

1301
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 5: you know before you know, yeah, he you know, got

1302
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 5: stuck in that position. So they I think that was

1303
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 5: a short term thing. But I was already an accomplished

1304
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 5: guy and everybody's on the same page. So I think

1305
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 5: we made some adjustments within twenty four hours that really

1306
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 5: helped him in the fight, so you know, it all depends.

1307
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 5: But he was going to make weight anyway, so that

1308
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 5: wasn't a problem. But the strategy and going an extra

1309
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 5: two rounds knowing that you trained for three rounds, That's

1310
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 5: why I put a lot of emphasis on. I think

1311
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 5: anybody who knows fighting, that's been around as a fighter

1312
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 5: or a trainer knows that what he did is not

1313
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 5: easy to do, you know, against a guy who's going

1314
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 5: to go down is the greatest lightweight of whole time. Yeah,

1315
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 5: he's the only guy to go to distance with him

1316
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 5: since he was a champion, which is crazy. Kenny on

1317
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 5: twenty four hours notice, I think anyway, but you know

1318
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 5: I'm biased, No, I as everybody well knows on this show.

1319
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 1: At this point, I think that fight Ali Quenta versus

1320
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: Cub even Dermago Medov is not brought up nor referenced enough,

1321
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: and so I like that every chance you get to

1322
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: sort of inject it into the conversation, you do, and

1323
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: it actually has relevance. Here. It almost looks like you're

1324
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 1: wearing a two pay today. Would you shave your head

1325
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: to make weight? Ray?

1326
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 5: What?

1327
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: I actually look like that my way point?

1328
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 5: First, it depends on what weight does trust me shave

1329
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 5: of my head it can help me make it? What

1330
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 5: weight did I make? I shave my head to make

1331
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 5: weight though?

1332
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, before we let you go, there are

1333
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 1: rumblings that Henry Shudo has been offered a fight in

1334
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 1: January against may Dualish Willy now Dwallis Willy is the

1335
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: number one contender. Seems like Sean O'Malley is not going

1336
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 1: to be seen till maybe late first quarter twenty twenty

1337
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 1: four or so. I mean, what are your thoughts on

1338
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: Morob and do you have anything in form, speculation, or

1339
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: otherwise as to his immediate fighting future?

1340
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 5: Man, I tell you I actually don't know anything about it.

1341
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 5: I have no you know, I've just seen what you've seen.

1342
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 5: I haven't talked to Morob every time. I mean, I'm

1343
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 5: going to say the last time we spoke was maybe

1344
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 5: a week ago. I could be off on that, but

1345
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 5: he said he had no news on anything. But then

1346
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 5: I started seeing the Sehudo stuff. So look again, I

1347
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 5: think the right thing to do. If I'm O'Malley's like

1348
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 5: exactly what, I'll just say, give me the rematch. I'll

1349
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 5: let the number one contender, which is Morob fight him

1350
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 5: and that's it, you know. But you know, like again,

1351
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 5: this stuff will seems easy Kenny, right, because didn't he

1352
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 5: call out Cheeto for December? You know, I mean, so

1353
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 5: where's that? You know? They make poor Raljo fight a

1354
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 5: couple of months, So this guy's going to get six

1355
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 5: months before.

1356
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you gotta milk it, got a milk go.

1357
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: I'd shove him for six months, one of the biggest

1358
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: cars in the promotion.

1359
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, i'd actually retire you that.

1360
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1361
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 5: I really think his make that it'll make money no

1362
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 5: matter what he's doing, of course he will either way.

1363
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's a really good human being too, So

1364
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 1: I'm excited to Uh, I'm really excited to see though,

1365
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 1: how his career and this now Sugar era plays out,

1366
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 1: because we've talked now three to the last four episodes

1367
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 1: or so about that durability issue, you know, especially in

1368
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 1: this one hundred and thirty five pounds of vision. Right,

1369
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 1: it doesn't even matter who his next fight is, uh

1370
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 1: going to be a really violent individual. All right, Let's

1371
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: let Mike cown on here and say hello to Ray

1372
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: Longo before we get Longo out of here. I can

1373
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 1: almost guarantee that American Top teams. Mike Brown does not

1374
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: have Harris has shoveled as Raymond Peter Longo. There he is, Michael.

1375
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 3: What's up? Guys? Hey, Ray, what's up?

1376
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 5: Man?

1377
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 3: Good to see you.

1378
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 5: I don't see him. You don't see Mary is look

1379
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 5: at that handsome.

1380
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 3: Good to see you, Ray. Great to see your brother.

1381
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 5: Hey, save me and Mike. Did you comb your head

1382
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 5: just to make me look bad?

1383
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 3: Falling out? Falling out by the dead.

1384
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 5: Here you go, you look very well groomed.

1385
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: Right on, mans, Hey, Ray, have a great day in

1386
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 1: a better evening. We'll talk to you next week. Okay,

1387
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: my friend.

1388
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 5: Awesome, man, I have a great time guys.

1389
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 3: Mike.

1390
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 5: Good seeing you, buddy. Good look.

1391
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 3: Good to see you man.

1392
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 1: Good to see you.

1393
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:33,919
Speaker 3: See right, Take it easy, guys.

1394
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: Really long a minute every week here on the Anakin

1395
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 1: Flooring Podcast, and now, of course with us legendary mixed

1396
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 1: martial arts mind and coach former WEC champion as well,

1397
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 1: Mike Thomas Brown. Mike Brown is with us. Good to

1398
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 1: see him, man, We appreciate the time.

1399
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 3: How are you thanks for having me?

1400
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 5: Uh?

1401
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 3: Always great to see Ray's amazing guy. Man, legend he is.

1402
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 1: He needs to clean up his act a little bit.

1403
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 1: He had his hip replaced in UH in a guest

1404
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 1: and it seems as though grooming it was optional before

1405
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: and now it's just not happening at all.

1406
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 3: So that's that's so scary the UH when you start

1407
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 3: seeing replacement, replacement sounds so bad to me. And that's

1408
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 3: like I know eventually that that's that's coming for all

1409
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 3: of us. You know, no more surgeries. It'll be now

1410
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 3: we need to replace this And that's right, right, that's scary.

1411
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 1: How is how is your body holding up to the

1412
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 1: coaching grind, specifically obviously on the back end of a

1413
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 1: world class fighting career, But like, what's the worst thing

1414
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: on your body right now?

1415
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not too bad. I haven't had any

1416
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 3: surgery since I stopped competing, So for the last ten years,

1417
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 3: I've had zero surgery, so that's a plus. But I

1418
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 3: need one. I need like my knee cleaned up. There's

1419
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 3: something going on with it, but you know it's not

1420
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 3: we'll see, all right.

1421
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 1: So obviously it's been a busy time for you. But

1422
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 1: before we get into all of the coaching stuff, that

1423
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 1: sort of I think has dominated your profile for the

1424
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 1: modern day Mixed Martial arts fan. You were a very

1425
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 1: accomplished fighter in your own right, and just as Kenny

1426
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 1: and I were launching MMA Live at ESPN in two

1427
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, you were becoming a star. So I'm

1428
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 1: going to take you back November fifth, two thousand and eight,

1429
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 1: WEC thirty six, By the way title fight against your

1430
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 1: I favor, you knock them out in round one, effectively

1431
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: changing the course of your life, certainly your professional life.

1432
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 1: What do you remember about that time in your life,

1433
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 1: the lead up to that fight and that faithful night

1434
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 1: in Hollywood, Florida.

1435
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 3: Oh, No, one percent changed my life, just because at

1436
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 3: the time, that was the most prestigious title in the

1437
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 3: world for one hundred and forty five pounds, So that

1438
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 3: was the world championship everybody was striving for, and you

1439
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 3: know it was it was a fight that people were

1440
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 3: paying attention to. Before that, I had, you know, twenty

1441
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 3: or so fights that there wasn't a lot interesting, but

1442
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 3: that was the one that drew interest and I got

1443
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 3: lucky at the time. I think Versus Network used to

1444
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 3: replay those fights all the time, so if you didn't

1445
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 3: catch it, eventually you ended up catching it. So I

1446
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 3: think I got a lot of exposure from from that

1447
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 3: and then and it and it really helped my career

1448
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 3: quite a bit.

1449
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 1: Did you always know that you wanted to transition to coaching?

1450
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 1: And if you didn't always know it, do you remember

1451
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 1: the tipping off point?

1452
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 5: No.

1453
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 3: I knew for a long time that's what I wanted

1454
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 3: to do, and I knew that, uh, I was lucky

1455
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 3: enough to know what I wanted to do after and

1456
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 3: I knew that I had a home I had. I

1457
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 3: knew that American Top Team was my spot, and I

1458
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 3: knew that you know that eventually I would be there

1459
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:48,919
Speaker 3: in some capacity, And for me, it's a dream come true.

1460
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 3: This is it's not a job.

1461
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 5: You know.

1462
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 3: Every day, Yeah, I wake up and I and I

1463
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 3: go hang out the gym, and I talk about fighting

1464
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 3: and I'm bullshitting with the guys and fucking around.

1465
01:06:58,320 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 6: This is.

1466
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 3: I got to pinch myself sometimes, this is not a job.

1467
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 3: I'm very lucky and fortunate for what I do.

1468
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 1: I think, and I think Kenny and I certainly can

1469
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 1: lean into a lot of that gratitude. But it's not

1470
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 1: quite as jobless as what you do, you know. I

1471
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 1: think there's just the nature of what we do. I

1472
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 1: think is such that it doesn't feel quite as jobless.

1473
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 1: But to hear you describe that as really cool and

1474
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 1: you are richly deserving of that reality. I wish we

1475
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 1: had a different UFC main event result to discuss. Obviously,

1476
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 1: we had Grant Dawson on the show last week. His

1477
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 1: fight with Bobby Green lasted just thirty three seconds. Seemed

1478
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:37,479
Speaker 1: like you and Thiago Alvez, and I know your time

1479
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 1: is limited in terms of the athletes you can work with,

1480
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 1: but when Grant aligned with American Top Team, you and

1481
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 1: Thiago were certainly eager to work with him. What are

1482
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 1: your thoughts on Grant so far under your roof and

1483
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 1: ultimately the results over the weekend.

1484
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 3: Grant Dawson is a monster? Like this result blew my

1485
01:07:54,920 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 3: mind and it shows me it's the sport always surprises me. Right,

1486
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 3: just when you think you know what's going on, you

1487
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 3: have no idea what's going on. But now this guy

1488
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 3: is so good, so talented, and has improved leaps and

1489
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 3: bounds since he's since he's joined the team. A monster.

1490
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 3: This guy truly is like one of the absolute best

1491
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 3: guys I've ever seen on the ground. His his his

1492
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:26,799
Speaker 3: stand up is solid and improving all the time. He's

1493
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 3: actually pretty decent his stand up, but like on the ground,

1494
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 3: good luck getting away from this guy. He is an

1495
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 3: absolute monster. And you know, I truly I had one

1496
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 3: hundred percent faith in him. But it just shows how

1497
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 3: crazy the sport is this, you know, it's it's the MMA.

1498
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 3: Math is insane and never works quite right, and all

1499
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 3: it takes is one punch or one sub and anyone

1500
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:53,679
Speaker 3: can win on any night. But this kid is extremely

1501
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 3: talented and has a bright future and I think he'll

1502
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 3: be I do truly believe he'll be champion one day.

1503
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 6: Oh what was the conversation after the fight, Mike, and

1504
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 6: how do you kind of get him back on track?

1505
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 6: Or was Grant already kind of hey, listen, this was

1506
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:13,879
Speaker 6: something that just kind of fluke accident that happened.

1507
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 1: I'm good to go.

1508
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's always rough fight night when that

1509
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 3: stuff happens, right, It's it's not it's not a good night.

1510
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 3: But he was as as good as one could be.

1511
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 3: I think, like I, you know, every time I would

1512
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 3: say hey, you know, it's one punches in and and

1513
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:36,640
Speaker 3: he was quick to like yep, yep, I know, I

1514
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 3: know this one point he like was very he of

1515
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:46,560
Speaker 3: course it's sung, but I think he realizes that, you know,

1516
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 3: that doesn't determine who the better fighter is, and it

1517
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 3: happens to everybody. And he said something that I appreciate that,

1518
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:54,960
Speaker 3: and I like his mindset. He says, you know, I

1519
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 3: didn't get in the sport to become to be undefeated.

1520
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:03,559
Speaker 3: I came in this I'm in this sport. I came

1521
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 3: in the sport to become a world champion for one night.

1522
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:08,640
Speaker 3: That's at least one night. That's what my goal is.

1523
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 3: And this does not change that. And he and he's

1524
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 3: like strong minded and he has stood by that, and.

1525
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 5: He was.

1526
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,679
Speaker 3: He's mentally tough, and I think he's totally fine.

1527
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 1: Michael.

1528
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 6: One thing I've always been curious about teams like American

1529
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 6: Top Team, where you have so many fighters, so many

1530
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 6: great coaches. How does it all work as far as

1531
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 6: what fighters you work with and which ones you don't.

1532
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:39,760
Speaker 1: Is it the.

1533
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 6: Fighters going up to you? Is it you guys picking?

1534
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 6: Is it determined from a higher power? How does that work?

1535
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:49,759
Speaker 3: We allow the athletes to choose, got you. The athletes

1536
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 3: choose their coaches that they want to work with, and

1537
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:59,719
Speaker 3: we have a monster staff, you know, the biggest coaching

1538
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 3: staff in the world. I'd say, yeah, elite coaches, many

1539
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 3: of them. Dan has put together a monster team and uh,

1540
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 3: it's it's up to the the athlete to choose who

1541
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 3: they want. And we have wrestling, kickboxing, MMA, BJJ. You know,

1542
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 3: whatever you your style is, you know, we have somebody

1543
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 3: great that in that field and it's working very well.

1544
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 1: Mike Brown with us here on the Anakin Florian podcast

1545
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 1: on Instagram. And is that Mike Brown MMA, Is it

1546
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 1: fair to say Matauje Gamrod is one of your star pupils.

1547
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 1: I think that's fair to say, yes, all right, So

1548
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 1: it has been confirmed by UFC President Dana White that

1549
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 1: he will be the backup for the lightweight title fight

1550
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:48,080
Speaker 1: at UFC two ninety four, that is eleven days from

1551
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 1: right now. And I guess I'm curious what that means

1552
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 1: for you in terms of your life and how you

1553
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 1: navigate news like that when it comes down the pike

1554
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 1: with not much notice.

1555
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 3: You know, I'm on like a holdering pattern right now.

1556
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 3: Right I'm circling the airport, you know, waiting to land

1557
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 3: if we can, if anything happens, ready to ready to

1558
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:15,759
Speaker 3: jump on a flight to Abu Dhabi.

1559
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 1: Wow.

1560
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 3: But Gamra is another monster who's a crazy hard worker,

1561
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 3: crazy strong mind and a talented guy. It's crazy how

1562
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 3: deep we are that weight. Lightweight is is our probably

1563
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 3: deepest weight, many many high level guys in the top ten,

1564
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 3: fifteen or twenty. And dude, he's knocking on the door.

1565
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 3: He's right there, and I think style wise he matches

1566
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 3: up very well with both of those guys. His grappling,

1567
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 3: his top notch is wrestling, his top notch and conditioning,

1568
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:55,320
Speaker 3: top notch striking footwork is great.

1569
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 5: He h.

1570
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:00,600
Speaker 3: He wants He won the a few back, and a

1571
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 3: lot of people don't know this, but he won the

1572
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 3: ADCC European Trials in submission grappling. This is not easy

1573
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 3: to do. There's many competitors in there. He's a high

1574
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 3: level sub grappler right with also very strong wrestling, so

1575
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 3: looking with ol of Error or Marktchef, he can grapple

1576
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 3: with either of those guys quite fine.

1577
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 1: And those are a couple of big lightweights. Michael, you

1578
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:27,720
Speaker 1: might want to get a flight to Abu Dhabi, but

1579
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 1: of course we hope that doesn't happen for those athletes.

1580
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 1: So a few more minutes here with the Great Mike

1581
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 1: Brown back in late July, and I think I might

1582
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 1: have texted you, but a lot of us were thinking

1583
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 1: about you as you navigated this circumstance in which three

1584
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:43,639
Speaker 1: of your highest profile guys were competing on the same weekend,

1585
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 1: Dustin Pourier, Kyogi Horigucci, Danny Sabatello. And I know, I

1586
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 1: think in conversation with me, you said just the longevity

1587
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:54,840
Speaker 1: and the nature, long standing nature of your relationship with

1588
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 1: Poorier kind of made that decision for you. But how

1589
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:00,599
Speaker 1: often do you find yourself in that predicament you're having

1590
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 1: to sort of be in one place and not another.

1591
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 3: It doesn't happen a lot, but once or twice a

1592
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 3: year we come across that where it's we have to,

1593
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:18,240
Speaker 3: you know, to choose. But we we have a big staff,

1594
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 3: you know, we always have for for every fighter two

1595
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:24,760
Speaker 3: or three coaches that are that are going with with

1596
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:27,799
Speaker 3: a guy. So if I'm not with a fighter, somebody

1597
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:33,839
Speaker 3: else will be right, Yeah, it's uh Poompa, Maco Katel,

1598
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 3: And you know we have a long list of coaches, right,

1599
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:43,040
Speaker 3: They'll be always well taken care of. But you know,

1600
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 3: sometimes you I try to go with the the athlete

1601
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 3: that has seniority, that's been there longer is typically choice.

1602
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:56,800
Speaker 1: And I know you're a diplomatic guy, but I also

1603
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 1: know your chips in the center of the table on

1604
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:00,719
Speaker 1: Danny Sabatel, and I know that it's a big fight,

1605
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 1: and you know, I know, maybe this isn't the platform

1606
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 1: for you to just say how deeply disappointing it was

1607
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:09,639
Speaker 1: for you to not be there, especially when he actually

1608
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 1: loses the fight. But what can you tell us about Danny?

1609
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 1: I was there in twenty nineteen for his fourth pro

1610
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,559
Speaker 1: fight in West Palm Beach, Florida. I became a fan

1611
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 1: that night. Future of Bellatur perhaps a little bit uncertain.

1612
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 1: But I know you're bullish on the skid on.

1613
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 3: I uh, well, this is a big on interseaction. He's

1614
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 3: got the rematch with Thoughts, which was a very close fight.

1615
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 3: You know, this was a coin toss, this last one.

1616
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:36,679
Speaker 3: A lot of people thirty one. You know, I don't

1617
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:38,680
Speaker 3: want to be say what I thought and throw my

1618
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 3: bias opinion in, but it was a very close fight, right,

1619
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 3: and we're going to find out in six weeks or

1620
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:49,680
Speaker 3: five weeks or whatever it is how good he is

1621
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:54,599
Speaker 3: he's he is super talented, maybe the best conditioning I've

1622
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 3: ever seen any athlete, monster wrestler, monster mindset, and uh,

1623
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 3: I really think he can compete with any any bandon

1624
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 3: weight in the world, any organization. This guy is a

1625
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 3: monster talent and yeah, yeah, and conditioning, I think is

1626
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 3: the most important attribute you can have as an athlete,

1627
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 3: as a as a fighter. And he's literally got the

1628
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 3: best conditioning I've ever seen of anybody. He's just gifted

1629
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:25,559
Speaker 3: that way.

1630
01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1631
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 3: You know, pressure, you know, breaks people, and that's what

1632
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 3: he can do.

1633
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:33,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love when fighters talk about Cardio, you know,

1634
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 1: Ian Maschado, Gary for all of his bravado, he always

1635
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:38,800
Speaker 1: tells us Cardio is his main weapon and his number

1636
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 1: one weapon, so important one, yeah, the most All Right,

1637
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 1: before we let you go, what are your thoughts on

1638
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:49,679
Speaker 1: the weight class future for Dustin Poier. Certainly it seems

1639
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 1: like he has kind of mastered getting down to fifty

1640
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 1: five or fifty six, But would you like to see

1641
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 1: him take a super fight of sorts at seventy And

1642
01:16:57,040 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 1: do you have any opinion on all of that?

1643
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 3: I mean, absolutely, he can, he can fight it both,

1644
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:06,120
Speaker 3: He definitely can. He's I think the biggest problem is

1645
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:10,040
Speaker 3: the length. You know, sometimes he's concerned about He's not

1646
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 3: worried about power or strength, but sometimes the longer guys,

1647
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:20,560
Speaker 3: it can be an issue with striking. But he's spars

1648
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 3: most of the time with welter weights in our gym. Yeah, right,

1649
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 3: Like that's usually who we have to put him with,

1650
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 3: just because he's he's heavy handed and can be rough.

1651
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 3: Sometimes in the sparring you we usually have to give

1652
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:37,559
Speaker 3: him welter weights. He doesn't spar with a lot of lightweights,

1653
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 3: to be honest, and yeah, with other world class welterweights

1654
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:44,600
Speaker 3: he does just find so I know he can do it,

1655
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 3: but probably his optimal weight is a lightweight, but he

1656
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 3: definitely can fight out at weal to weight without a doubt.

1657
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 1: Well, you can find him on Instagram at Mike Brown Mma.

1658
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:57,840
Speaker 1: I know you're on the back end of sparing on

1659
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 1: a Tuesday here after or sporring Data American Top Team

1660
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 1: Tuesday and Thursday, So we appreciate you hopping on for

1661
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 1: a few minutes and we look forward to seeing you

1662
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 1: rebuild grant Us and we really believe in that kid

1663
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 1: as well. Maybe rebuild is actually the wrong verb, but

1664
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 1: I hope he flips the page quickly.

1665
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 3: Literally one punch, right, it's hard to take look from it.

1666
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 3: He literally got hit with one punch in his fight,

1667
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 3: so it's it's hard to tell.

1668
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:23,760
Speaker 1: But don't you think though, like there are gonna be

1669
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 1: people who criticize maybe the fight ending moment or the

1670
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 1: lack of desperation. Maybe in that moment. I'm not gonna

1671
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 1: do it obviously as a non fighter, but don't you

1672
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:34,360
Speaker 1: think that there's so much to be gained. I mean

1673
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:35,920
Speaker 1: you sort of touched on it off the top, like

1674
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 1: if he finds himself in this next situation. Maybe my

1675
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:41,760
Speaker 1: mind is simplistic, but I think his body language will

1676
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:43,679
Speaker 1: be more urgent. I know he didn't see the shot coming,

1677
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 1: but I think he'll learn from this and be different

1678
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 1: in a potential fight ending moment in the future.

1679
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:53,479
Speaker 3: I mean, of course, but it was so fast and

1680
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 3: it was one punch. And I always say this, You know,

1681
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:02,479
Speaker 3: early the first two minutes, it's the punches are coming

1682
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:05,639
Speaker 3: up the hardest. There's a lot of nervous energy in there.

1683
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:08,800
Speaker 3: Guys are growing with like kind of scared energy. So

1684
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:11,679
Speaker 3: the powers at the mats. If you get hit early,

1685
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 3: that's when your most apt to get hurt. He got

1686
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:17,280
Speaker 3: hurt when he went down. That happens, and then Green

1687
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:19,320
Speaker 3: did a good job following up.

1688
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 1: He did.

1689
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 3: He hit him very quickly right after and then you know,

1690
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 3: then Grant was was out, you know, or pretty damn

1691
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 3: close to it. He knew he was in big trouble

1692
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 3: and that happens. But that's going to happen you that's

1693
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 3: that dangerous first minute.

1694
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:41,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a crazy game you all play. I'm glad

1695
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:43,800
Speaker 1: to be on the outside looking in at Mike Brown.

1696
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:46,880
Speaker 1: M m a outstanding coach at American Top Team. Really

1697
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 1: appreciate you carving out a few minutes, brother, and uh

1698
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 1: always we always have time for the man or we

1699
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 1: look forward to seeing you on the road soon. Man,

1700
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 1: thanks for the time, all right, thanks having me on guys,

1701
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 1: see you the Top Teams. Mike Brown with us today

1702
01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 1: on the Anak and Florian podcast. And and you know

1703
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 1: one question that I did not ask of Michael because

1704
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:06,000
Speaker 1: I didn't think that the question would bear fruit is

1705
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 1: how hard do you take these losses as a coach?

1706
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 3: Right?

1707
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:13,479
Speaker 1: And I'd imagine especially for the high profile fighters like

1708
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:15,280
Speaker 1: you can imagine what it's like walking back to the

1709
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 1: locker room with Dustin Pourier after he beats Connor McGregor

1710
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:22,320
Speaker 1: versus when he loses to Justin Gatchee. Thrill versus agony.

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Speaker 1: We talk about it all the time, but in this

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Speaker 1: particular instance, Grant Dawson potentially on the cusp of legitimate

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Speaker 1: title contention and then all of a sudden, this does

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Speaker 1: force you to hit the reset button for the next

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Speaker 1: two years to build him back up. Like that's the

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Speaker 1: fact of the matter. I wonder how hard the coaches

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Speaker 1: take that loss at this stage of a career that

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Speaker 1: is crescendoing and then it sort of hits a pause. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: you know, even if you just have that coach fighter relationship,

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Speaker 1: it could weigh heavy on you, you know, not to

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Speaker 1: mention the amount of time that you spend with these guys, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know I could speak from my experience

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Speaker 1: when Ryan Hall lost and I was in his corner.

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Speaker 6: I feel like I lost, you know, I really do.

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Speaker 6: So it can be very difficult. I have more than

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Speaker 6: just a coach's relationship with him. He's one of my

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Speaker 6: best friends. But yeah, it's really difficult for a coach

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Speaker 6: to take, you know. Certainly, I think it's way easier

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Speaker 6: to go in there and fight than it is the corner,

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Speaker 6: you know. So yeah, all right, Thank you to Mike Brown,

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Speaker 6: Thank you to Joe Pifer. Thanks to the great Ray Longo.

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