WEBVTT - MLB: Leading Off June 16th, 2022 (Ep. 533) 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:17.759 Another near no no. Let's play ball. Welcome in, everybody 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:20.040 to Fantasy Closed. This is leading off, brought to you 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:22.560 by bet MGM, the King of sports Books. It's me, 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:25.320 Joey Pa joe Piece Appea with me. Today is the Welsh, 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:27.760 and of course it's you, the Peanuts, the cracker Jacks, 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:31.320 the Randos as some of you like to call yourselves nowadays. 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:33.240 But I think that's like day three of this is 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:35.120 kind of old already. So it was funny for like 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:37.120 the first day, maybe two, and I was like, okay, 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:39.560 just yeah, it'll have it te again. 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:41.840 Though, don't worry, it'll come back like it'll it'll make 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:44.120 it come back like next week or something. Everyone will 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:44.600 love it again. 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:48.120 Here you go. And speaking of loving it, let's get 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:50.400 to some baseball. Let's get to some news, and we'll start, 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:54.560 of course with another near no no, so close to 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:57.040 the near no nos. Oh my goodness, Welsh. This time 0:00:57.080 --> 0:01:02.160 it was Tyler Anderson. Two outs come so close, so close, 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:04.240 only to fade away. And it's funny, how I remember. 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:06.480 I think it was ninety one was the year. I 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:07.920 want to say, it could be wrong where we have 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:10.280 seven no hitters or something crazy like that, like every 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:12.759 day you woke up there was another no hitter. It's 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:14.880 just fascinating that we are getting so many of them, 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:17.600 or those close no hitters, because people don't change their 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:21.119 approach with two strikes. People don't alter what they're trying 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:23.399 to do. They don't try to just get on base. 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:26.759 It's a different game. So therefore these types of outings 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:30.720 I feel like, are certainly more more teams are more susceptible, 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:32.960 and offense is more susceptible to being no hit. 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:36.200 Can I ask you what is your definition of an 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:39.200 almost no hitter? Is it going into the ninth? Is 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:41.039 it going eight innings? Is it going seven in? 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:43.679 I think ninth, ninth is ninth? Is you got close? 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:45.400 That was you were right there? Because that seems like 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:46.920 you get to the ninth hitting. I think that's it. 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:49.960 I asked Bogmin about that because I feel like this 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:51.920 is becoming the season of almost no hitters. 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:53.200 Maybe you could also. 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:55.440 Throw in guys that are pulled, you know, that have 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:57.760 a no hitter and pulled in six that's kind of 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:00.880 like a missed opportunity, and then guy that lose it 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:02.840 in the eighth. It feels like a lot of close 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:06.280 opportunities this season and back to back nights. That's fun. 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:07.080 That's fun. 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:09.600 Well, our boy JP was having fun. He got Tyler 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:12.760 Anderson in a waiver wire claim yesterday, so I hope 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:15.480 you started him. Yeah, that's if you did. It was 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:18.040 probably a good night for you. Also good night for 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:22.040 Spencer Stryder. Ooh fourteen baby, and you were all over that. Well, 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:24.120 she loved the Strider yesterday. 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:29.480 So well, well, Joe, I love Strider in general. Maybe 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:32.120 you heard me say I liked the under six and 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:34.400 a half strikeouts, but it was the sixteen and a 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:35.440 half strikeouts show. 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:36.200 It's actually sixty. 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:37.440 I liked him at sixteen. 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:38.840 Un what it was? 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:39.440 What it was? 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:42.680 I love Strider and I've been here's the problem. I've 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:45.480 been wanting to say that I want to take it 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:49.760 every single game. So of course the first time I'm like, 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:52.400 I'll take the under. He had had only hit it twice, 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:54.800 he got one hundred and twenty pitches, like they let 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:57.560 him completely go, right, So now it is team Strider 0:02:58.080 --> 0:02:58.680 full force. 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:01.680 And how long is a forced last? You know, because 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:03.360 he is a younger pitcher, he was a guy pitching 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:05.760 out of the bullpen. So do you believe this is 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:09.160 a guy you can you could start and be happy 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:11.040 about and confident in for the next two months. Or 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:12.160 do you think this is a guy that could take 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:13.800 you all the way to the end of the wire. 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:15.360 Here, I think he could take you to the end 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:17.200 of the wire. The problem could be is they could 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:19.680 easily switch him. They could throw him back into that 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:24.560 like leveraged reliever role. But he's a strikeout magnet and 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:27.000 he's really finding his rhythm. I asked a question on 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:30.240 in this league a couple of weeks ago Strider versus Ashby. 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:32.600 People lost their mind. They're just like, oh, how could 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:33.240 you ask this? 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:34.200 How could just be a. 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:36.920 Oh look at the question, Look at it now. It's 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:40.160 because of Strider and his strikeout ability. That's exactly why 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:43.680 you asked that question. So yes, if if he continued starting, 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:46.800 he's got like a mid two era strikeouts through the roof. 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:47.160 He threw it. 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:50.320 Had eleven last night. Is a huge performance. This is 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:52.160 the type of guy and he keeps it up, he 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:55.960 can get into that McClanahan territory where he is a 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:59.040 must play from k props. Moving forward to the rest 0:03:59.080 --> 0:03:59.440 of the year. 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:03.280 Now here's a question for you too. If Soroka comes back, 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:05.240 is that gonna be the guy that bumps him out 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:05.720 of rotation. 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:09.040 I would be shocked if they just let Soroka like go. 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:12.400 I would imagine Soroka has got to be babied. Now 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:14.720 here's the thing. They could piggyback. You know, we talked 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:17.280 a lot about piggybacks. They would make sense as a piggyback. 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:20.360 Don't go nuts with Strider, and you know, maybe make 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:23.599 those two be a seven inning guy. But if Soroka 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:27.039 were to start and Stryder were to be your inning four, five, six, 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:29.640 and seven, he gets the win. And in four innings 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:31.760 a guy can strike out eight. So if it's at 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:35.040 this point five and a half strikeouts, you always are 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:36.200 gonna bet the overend Strider. 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:38.360 That's just what you should do six and a half. 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:41.279 I'm probably gonna cherry pick the bad strikeout teams, but 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:44.440 I'm gonna hope the Strider is gonna be able to 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:46.880 maintain this because he has looked phenomenal. 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:50.480 Manny Machado also look phenomenal. More on him a little 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:52.400 later in this show, but he did it. A home 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:54.960 run drove in four yesterday against the Cubs. Ooh boy, 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:57.640 the Cubbies. Things are not going well there for the 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:01.599 Cubs and many. Machado certainly on another hot streak himself. 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:03.800 I'm at Rosario at a home run, scored four runs. 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:07.800 Jack Flaherty yield four runs, two earned in his first return. 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:10.440 So there you go, Jack Flaherty back. Very exciting for 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:14.680 fantasy owners everywhere. Adley Rutchman finally got the big one off. 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:18.320 He got the big home run his first. Congratulations ad 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:22.240 Lee Rutchman, Good for you kid, touch them all. Hopefully 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:25.760 he hits many more. Ryan Mountcastle also went deep twice, 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:29.880 but Mike maher did not pick him, so I'm not sure, Like, like, 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:31.200 what happens then? 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:35.560 Does Castle really hit a homer if Mike Mahyer doesn't 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:36.800 choose him in the contest. 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:41.159 It's a good philosophical question to ask. I think that's 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:42.680 part of it, And I think the other part of 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:44.839 it is I almost always feel like Mike Mahor is 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:46.600 just in his basement writing the letter, like in the 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:49.000 eminem video where he's just like talking to him. Is like, 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:50.960 you hit a home run the other day. You know 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:52.880 I didn't pick you. What's up with that? You know? 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:53.440 Ryan? 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:56.720 I saw you hit that Homer was flying. 0:05:57.120 --> 0:06:00.920 I was really excited for all the it's not seeing 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:03.240 you when you hit balls without me, you make me 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:04.360 feel like a little bitch. 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:05.480 Uh not whatever. 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:09.400 Raphael Devers also a home in his fourth straight game, 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:12.240 So Devers has been red hot as well. Some injuries 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:15.120 though to deal with. There always is something good. Some bad. 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:17.960 We had were you who underwent his surgery, so that 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:21.919 happened pretty quickly, and then Andrew Heaney looks like he 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:25.320 could return on Sunday for the Dodgers. A question about 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:27.320 Heeni if he's out there in the waiver wire, you're 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:31.160 adding him and how many starts before you want to 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:33.800 throw him into a lineup if you have the if 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:35.880 you have the ability to wait, let's just say, I 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:38.000 know some people don't have the ability. They're just grabbing 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:40.520 its straws. When it comes to Andrew, Hey, how many 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:42.239 good starts do you need before you feel confident? 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:45.440 Just one? He was really Oh yeah, he was a 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:47.040 beast to start the year. 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:49.440 It was one of those things where we saw Hemi 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:51.600 and we were just like, oh my gosh, is this 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:52.400 actually happening? 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:54.280 And he's gone. That's what we did. 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:57.440 He had a little over I know, it was actually 0:06:57.440 --> 0:06:59.960 almost close to a fourteen k per nine didn't give 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:03.000 up earned run. His ex fip was sitting in the twos. 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:06.080 Wasn't walking guys at a crazy clip. It was only 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:09.320 over those two games. There's an argument to be had 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:11.680 that pending the matchup, I might just throw him back 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:13.800 out there, but you always should be cautious about guys 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:16.440 in their first start back and not really worry about it. 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:18.800 A lot of flairty I would give him one and 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:20.520 then I would get him back out there because he 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:23.640 was a strikeout machine. The Dodgers of obviously they've got 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:27.600 something going down where revived careers of Tyler Anderson. Gonsolin 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:31.520 looks like an ace at this point, and Keeney was 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:34.760 this was those guys before he got hurt. He was 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:36.800 the first of this entire crew that looked like, oh 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:41.280 my gosh, he might be completely career revived in LA. So, yeah, 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:43.040 is dominate is a strikeout guy? 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:43.320 He is. 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:45.840 I'd love to see him come back and show more 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:47.920 of that, and then he's a must start. He's not 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:50.480 a streaming guy. He's a must start moving forward as 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:54.960 long as this injury isn't isn't lingering, Yeah, that's for sure, 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:56.920 must actually sitting out. 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:01.320 I'm sure he's still rostered him leagues, but I mean, 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:03.160 I wonder what that percentage is. I mean, my guess 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:05.360 is he's probably available still in like thirty five percent 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:06.200 of league something like that. 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:09.720 My guess, Yeah, Well, you're going on McK it out 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:12.440 like CBS if I can, if I can find his 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:13.440 Rochester percentage. 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:15.560 Here's a good question too, and we'll get some more 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:17.440 of the injuries. Brank Cox wants to know would you 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.080 rather have Buxton or Spring arrest of season? For me, 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:22.960 this is an interesting one. I get where you're coming from. 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:26.400 In a points league, I want Springer because I can 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:29.239 I find it more dependable in that sort of format. 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:31.800 But if it's Rodo, then I'm gonna roll the dice 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:33.880 with Bucks, and both these guys are always injury risks. Anyway, 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:35.680 I'll be Bucks in the king of injury risk. But 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:37.679 that's how I I mean, I think I take the 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:39.800 risk in Roto because of the stolen bases and they're hard 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:42.520 to find. But Welsh, is it just blanket Buxton for you? 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:46.760 As usual? With Yo Binki, Let's give me a break. 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:49.679 Care what are we talking about? Yeah, it's Buxton out. 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:52.120 Mike Mayer is singing the dido part of that song 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:54.960 right now. If you didn't like the video right directly 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:58.120 after the Ryan Mountcastle rap, I don't know. I don't 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:03.480 question or choices, no wondering why. Yeah, it's good Starling 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:05.960 Marte day to day with a risk contusion. Kevin Kiirmeira 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:08.559 leaves the game with an achilles injury. Jordan Hicks, though, 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:10.920 ready for rehab assignment with that four arm issue. So 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:14.040 that's good news for the Cardinals, getting another picture back. 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:17.360 So the Cardinals, you know, making their push, getting Flawery back, 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:21.280 getting Hicks back, getting healthy. It's real good. Speaking of healthy, 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:22.000 can we go again? 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:23.319 Oh yeah, we got heiny if you want it? 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:24.280 What's your Oh yeah yeah? 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:27.000 What do you? What do you guess his roster percentages? 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:30.920 I think he's rostered probably in sixty five percent of leaks, pretty. 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:34.720 Close seventy five percent of leaks in as CBS's format. 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:37.679 So what that'll probably mean is like Yahoo, I bet 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:41.680 it's closer to fifty ESPN probably forty. My favorite stat 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:45.280 is that it is three percent started. Still, Dear Ryan, 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:47.720 I wrote you, but you still ain't calling. I left 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:50.559 my cell pager in my home phone at the bottom. 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:53.240 I like it. Yeah, my rap's better. 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:54.000 We're doing the whole h. 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:58.240 All right, Can we talk about this? At twenty nine 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:02.160 years old, Maddy Machado joins MLB Royalty. He's got fifteen 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:04.680 hundred hits, two hundred and fifty homers. The list of 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:10.320 players in this company is staggering. Manny Machado, Miguel Cabrera, 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:14.960 Albert Pujols, Alex Rodriguez, Ken Griffey Junior, Eddie Murray, Ron Santo, 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:19.199 Orlando Sepeda, Frank Robinson, Hank Aaron, Eddie Matthews, Mickey Manto, 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:23.080 Willie May's Male, Jamie Fox, lou gerrig and Andrew Jones. 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:24.960 Andrew Jones is the only guy who's not in the 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:27.200 Hall of Fame in that group. That's pretty stunning. And 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:28.880 I think Andrew Jones is a Hall of Famer with 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:31.120 of the best center fielders I've ever seen, so I 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:33.320 have no problem with him ever getting in. But wow, 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:34.679 that is That. 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:37.840 Is team one hundred hits and two hundred and fifty 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:40.800 homers before the age of thirty. That list Andrew Jones 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:44.200 is an absolute travesty. And I just want to point out. 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:49.000 His son is probably is probably the best baseball player. 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:49.720 In this upcoming draft. 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:52.839 A little could go number one unless the Orioles are 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:54.880 going to go cheap, and then he would come to 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:59.600 my Arizona Diamondbacks. Drew Jones is a phenomenal, ridiculous talent. 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:01.120 Andrew j should be in the Hall of Fame. It 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:04.000 makes me sick, But that is an insane list of guys. 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:07.880 You know, I rag on these like weird, like, hey, 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:10.199 we put everything together and we're going to create this 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:13.920 little fun stat But when you see these, when they're 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:17.880 attached to like insane names with this type of scope, Okay, 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:20.520 I'm in like this ridiculous list. 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:24.440 It's ridiculous. And these are all the guys before thirty. 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:25.720 Every single one of them is a Hall of Famer. 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:28.400 We're talking all MLB greats. I mean, Ron Santo and 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:31.000 Supaida maybe a little bit. I mean when you're dealing 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:34.360 with the a Rod and Poohols and Cabrera Totals and 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:37.960 the Frank Robinson and Mickey Manno, Willie Maze, Jimmy Fox, 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:41.160 double x Lou Garritt names mean, it's stunning. So there's 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:43.439 definitely a tier and there's another tier. But the Hall 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:45.520 tier is Hall of Famers except for Andrew Jones, who 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:47.920 again I think he should be. I'm curious if you 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:50.040 think he's Andrew Joe. Let's put it to a little 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:52.280 bit of a a little bit of a vote here, 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:55.760 Andrew Jones Hall of Famer, Yes or no in the 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:57.679 chat right now, Let's see how many people think yes 0:11:57.800 --> 0:11:59.600 or no for Andrew Jones if they had a vote 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:01.640 where they've for him? And again, if you want to 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:03.840 get in on this, subscribe to Fantasy Rose MLB, so 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:05.040 you can drop that in the chat. 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:06.679 I don't know real quick, I don't know if it 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:10.800 matters for everybody. But he played seventeen years, just reminding, 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:14.240 had just fell short of two thousand hits, four hundred 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:16.600 and thirty four homers, so just short of the five hundred, 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:18.720 one hundred and fifty two stolen bases. 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:20.360 Wait, how many homers did he have? Four hundred and 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:20.760 how many? 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:24.839 Four hundred and fifty two career homers? For fifty and 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:26.800 three hundred and sixty eight of those came with Atlanta. 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:29.199 He played for Atlanta for twelve years. This is probably 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:31.360 one of the things that holds him back. Two fifty 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:33.400 four career batting average, which was it was. 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:36.559 The ops though OPS was eight. 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:41.520 OPS was eight twenty three over his career. 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:43.200 Above eight hundred. You got me listening. He did not 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:44.480 have a stolen bases? Did he have? 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:47.760 He had one hundred and fifty two so over seventeen years. Yeah, 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:50.200 that's so, that's a problem here. He hadn't hit two 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:54.280 fifty since two thousand and six, which means he finished 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:57.920 his final six years of his career hitting under two fifty. 0:12:58.080 --> 0:12:59.400 The guy was one of the more. 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:03.800 Predominant defensive players in Major League Baseball history. I mean, honestly, 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:08.000 for talking, like center field so incredible defender, pretty good, 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:10.960 solid home run numbers. Hits are kind of there, but 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:13.680 storm bases down, patting average down. 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:16.360 I guess defense just matters for me. I mean, it's 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:17.920 the same reason I Thinkkeithan Nandez should be in the 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:19.760 Hall of Fame. If you're the best defensive player your 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:22.920 position every year for a decade and you hit as well, 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:25.439 then I don't understand how you're not a Hall of Famer. Yeah, 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:27.240 I mean he's not a good center fielder. He is 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:30.959 game changing centerfield. We were talking Jim Edmons should be 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:31.679 in the Hall of Fame too. 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:35.480 That's ten straight Gold Gloves from nineteen ninety eight to 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:36.640 two thousand and seven. 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:37.600 Ten straight. 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:42.240 He also finished inside MVP Award inside the top three 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:46.480 once and he made five All Star Games in his time. 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:48.079 So just throwing it out there. 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:50.560 See I keep saying Jim Edmonds for years two. I 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:52.600 was appalled that he was wanted down the ballot because 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:55.400 that I mean, he's got three hundred and ninety three homers. Okay, 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:57.240 so he's got less homers, but career two to eighty 0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:02.040 four hitter, a career ops of note three, nine oh three, 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:04.960 a career ops of nine o three, a two eighty 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:08.600 four hitter, one of the best defensive first center fielders 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:11.480 I've ever seen in my entire life. And he was 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:13.320 one and done on the ballot. It was absurd. 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:16.120 Andrew Jones or Jim Edmonds by the way, Jim Jim Edmond. 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:19.640 Jim Edmond's wife was on Real Housewives of Something and 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:20.800 Jim Edmonds showed up. 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:22.480 He wasn't great. 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:25.080 He was He wasn't the coolest. It wasn't he wasn't 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:26.480 a cool guy. He was a cool guy. 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:28.560 Are you and Mayor watching that and d and talking 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:31.920 about it in Slack yesterday. You guys watching the Real Housewives. 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:32.720 You want to start the group? 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:34.000 How did you end up seeing this? 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:34.440 I don't. 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:36.400 My wife watches it so like if I was like 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:39.320 laying in bed, I would look over and then and 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:41.400 you know, hey, listen, it's not the worst show to 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:42.320 watch on mute. 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:42.800 Uh. 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:46.280 Sometimes and uh, I see Jim Edmonds, it's like a 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:49.000 little bit interested, and I was like, oh, Jim Edmonds 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:51.160 not the coolest guy on the planet. 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:53.240 No, no, no, I mean he might be the coolest guy, 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:56.120 but not not a good guy necessarily. It's not the 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:57.920 Hall of Fame and nice. It's not the Hall of Nice. 0:14:58.040 --> 0:14:59.240 Yeah, it's true baseball. 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:02.240 And once again, I just I'm appalled that you know, 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:05.600 Ozzie Smith is automatically a Hall of Famer. He never 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:07.760 hit for any power in his career. He's an amazing 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:10.680 center for you, short stuff. I don't understand why we 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:13.080 don't apply that to other positions, Like why doesn't that matter? 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:14.720 Why does it only matter at short stop? Because he 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:16.440 was fun to watch, because he played for the Cardinals, 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:18.720 because he was at a fun nickname, and he did flips. 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:20.280 I mean, that's not fair, you know, I'll tell you. 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:23.080 I'll tell you you're not wrong about the intangible stuff. 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:24.880 I think what's funny is the. 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:28.080 Gold gloves are what even Wonky says it. Ozzie Smith 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:30.800 did backflips Joe. That's why they may come back. 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:32.040 With the Andrew Jones just real quick. 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:35.280 I think the problem is is the defensive prowess is 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:37.240 being taken into this because if you just look at 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:39.240 the stats, because you're not Hall of Fame war these 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:43.040 stats alone, like under five hundred homers, not two thousand hits, 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:45.600 a two fifty four career batting average, like I only 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:48.440 hit over three hundred once in his entire career. The 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:51.240 only reason we're still talking about him is because of 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:52.880 the defense. So it is one of those things where 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:54.200 I don't think we have to be like, man, why 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:55.560 does the defense matter more? 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:56.280 It really does. 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:59.040 That's why we're still in this list. But I will say, 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:00.840 you know, you look at the impact of the early 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:03.640 part of his career. Good lord, he made that list 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:06.200 of all those players. He just had a really not 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:09.480 great fall. Maybe a bigger question could be this if 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:13.080 he had ended his career five years earlier, or even 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:15.120 cut it short. You know, thirty one thirty two and 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:17.800 just had that short extent, you know, and went off 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:20.840 into the wild Boo Yonder with all of those gold gloves. 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:23.120 Would we give him the Treell Davis type of thing. 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:24.560 It's a short career, but it was incredible. 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:26.960 I always feel like those players, the players you don't 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:29.120 see decline, you always have a different feeling for. But 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:30.920 then I'm also the guy that looks at Paul Konerko 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:33.160 stats over his career and go, look at this guy 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:35.840 every year putting up incredible numbers thirty one hundred, like 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:37.760 every year for a decade, and nobody seems to care 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:39.440 about me. I don't get it. I don't get the 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:41.560 criteria for the Hall of Fame. Everyone wants to make 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:44.200 Joey Vaddo Hall of Fame. Paul Konerko's no, like, go 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:47.040 look at Paul Canerko's every year stats and then go 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:49.400 look at Joey Vado every season and then talk to me. 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:53.440 Then talk to me, Paul Canerco, Team Canerco Meke Maher 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:55.720 has been bothering me about this since last night. He 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:57.720 put in the show sheet. Today he said, I didn't 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:01.520 put anything in except this chosen this immaculate inning. 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:03.080 Yes, I saw this. 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:05.959 Why do I not care about this? I don't this 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:08.439 is weird. I feel like I've become mayor here. I 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:10.600 don't care about this. This is not interesting to me 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:13.919 at all. It came against the same three hitters, so okay, 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:16.520 that's quirky. But do you care about this? Is this 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:17.359 interesting to you? You know? 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:20.640