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Speaker 1: This is what happened with our species eighty five thousand

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Speaker 1: years ago or sixty five thousand years ago. This is

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Speaker 1: what it is. And when you're you have a training background,

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Speaker 1: also no offense, but there's no it's there's not always

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Speaker 1: an arc to a training journey. There there is in

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Speaker 1: terms of body improvement, or maybe you go into competition,

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Speaker 1: or maybe you try different things, but there's not the

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Speaker 1: same highs in the low there's not the same thing.

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Speaker 1: Like on the other end, you could fall in love

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Speaker 1: with cycling and spend thousands of dollars on gear and

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Speaker 1: compare your bike to someone else's bike. But the thing

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Speaker 1: about running is, even though there's the human modern instinct

448
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Speaker 1: to compare yourself to someone else's body or someone else's time,

449
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Speaker 1: running every time draws you back to thinking about yourself,

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Speaker 1: and running draws you back to reflecting on your own mystery.

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Speaker 1: What could I do differently? What could I do better?

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Speaker 1: It's again I'm going to give a capitalist analysis. We're

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Speaker 1: in New York City in twenty twenty one, and we're

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Speaker 1: just bombarded with images of how to be like somebody else.

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Speaker 1: But running existed well before all this, and so running

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Speaker 1: has the promise for us to return to our own

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Speaker 1: inner sense of who we are as people and as

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Speaker 1: a people. And that's what you're in love with. That's

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Speaker 1: what keeps drawing you back. That's what I see in

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Speaker 1: your face, in your posts when you have highs and lows.

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Speaker 3: You know, yeah, now I feel that, I think, say.

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Speaker 1: To your listeners, and I just I would encourage them

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Speaker 1: to be open to falling in love with the running journey.

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Speaker 1: Whether people are training for their first mile or a

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Speaker 1: five k, that's on the same spectrum as like someone

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Speaker 1: running one hundred miles. That's on the same spectrum as

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Speaker 1: Jess Woods running by yourself with other people crewing from

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles to Las Vegas last week. Right, that's we're

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Speaker 1: all doing the same thing. That's the same spectrum, And

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Speaker 1: it's a journey of self exploration, and it's a journey

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Speaker 1: of self expression, you know, And other pastimes and practices

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Speaker 1: also kind of have those same values. But running is

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Speaker 1: our most ancient, and our most central, and our most

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Speaker 1: intrinsic expression of that idea.

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Speaker 2: When you take a step back now and love at

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Speaker 2: the crew culture and arguably the explosion of running community across.

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Speaker 3: The globe, how do you feel about that? What excites

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Speaker 3: you about that?

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Speaker 1: As a more advanced in age person, I think it

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Speaker 1: correlates to cardiovascular health. So if people are getting healthier,

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Speaker 1: then that's huge. We didn't have that before. And if

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Speaker 1: people are getting in touch with themselves, or if people

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Speaker 1: are letting go of family dysfunction or a dependence on alcohol,

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Speaker 1: if people are quitting smoking or smoking less or just

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Speaker 1: thinking about smoking less, I'm all for it. You know.

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Speaker 1: I have my reservations about the ways in which our

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Speaker 1: underground urban culture was corralled into selling shoes for for

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Speaker 1: major brands. And I'm a little bummed on a personal

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Speaker 1: level that the tribal nature of our species manifests itself

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Speaker 1: in the tribal nature of running crews. But if bridge

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Speaker 1: runners started very near little five Points, where Gangs of

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Speaker 1: New York occurred historically in the early days of New

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Speaker 1: York City, then it stands to reason that that things

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Speaker 1: would be a little rough and tumble, so that also

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Speaker 1: gives its integrity. But what excites me again is the

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Speaker 1: potential for people coming together, the potential for people to

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Speaker 1: want to travel and run and explore on two feet

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Speaker 1: rather than burning up fossil fuels, you know, when they

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Speaker 1: get to their destination. The idea that we can go

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Speaker 1: back and embrace one of our earliest elements of the

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Speaker 1: human toolkit and and bring that into you know, postmodern life,

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Speaker 1: and the extent to which that could be a tool

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Speaker 1: of resistance for us to not become just consumers and like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, termites basically just chewing our way through

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Speaker 1: modern day life. If that's something that makes us feel

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Speaker 1: a little free or a lot free, then I got

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Speaker 1: to just fan the flames.

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Speaker 3: Of that, you know, for sure.

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Speaker 1: And I think last year was interesting. Last year was

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Speaker 1: so fascinating because we were approaching a peak, an Olympic year.

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Speaker 1: All the brands had all their shoes ready, all the

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Speaker 1: narratives ready, and then all the runners in the scene

550
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Speaker 1: were training like crazy to run their times and be

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Speaker 1: like this elite runner and this is my coach and

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Speaker 1: this is my crew, and look at how expensive my

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Speaker 1: shoes are, and then everything just had to stop, you know.

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Speaker 1: And I it was tragic because there was a backdrop

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Speaker 1: of human tragedy on on a global scale, but everything

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Speaker 1: going quiet and the hype dying down was such a

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Speaker 1: relief for a person such as myself, And it was

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Speaker 1: such a godsend honestly on a personal level, but also

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Speaker 1: I think on a cultural level for running culture in

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Speaker 1: the scene. I hope it was an opportunity for everybody

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Speaker 1: to reset and to come back not only with like

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Speaker 1: different ideas or better ideas about training, but hopefully people

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Speaker 1: are coming back as New York City's back and the

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Speaker 1: world is coming back, and there's parties and festivals, and

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Speaker 1: hopefully people are coming back with a new set of

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Speaker 1: humanistic values after the pandemic and after the convulsions of

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Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter, Hopefully people are coming back. And the

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Speaker 1: virtue signaling of last year where hey, we have a

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Speaker 1: black person in our crew, or we have a black

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Speaker 1: person in leadership, or I'm a black person who works

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Speaker 1: at a company. That's not what it's all about. It's

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Speaker 1: about connection and unity and like uplifting the collective together,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We shouldn't be like yeah,

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Speaker 1: yeah that Even as intense as twenty twenty was, it

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Speaker 1: was still just the beginning of the conversation as far

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Speaker 1: as diversity, inclusion, equity, you know, equality, justice, social justice

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Speaker 1: and running and.

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Speaker 2: It's continued efforts, right and good intentions. It's not just

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Speaker 2: like checking these boxes. So having that one individual at

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Speaker 2: your company or having one conversation with one person doesn't

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Speaker 2: mean that you've you know, checked a quota that makes

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Speaker 2: you good and your.

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Speaker 3: Intentions for the rest of the year.

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Speaker 2: I know, like you have to actually do that inner

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Speaker 2: You have to have that inner dialogue and that inner

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Speaker 2: conversation and that audit with yourself about how you can

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Speaker 2: be a continued participant in the revolution of perhaps both

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Speaker 2: what's going on around you, but also inner self.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying the distinctions between a club and

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Speaker 1: a crew. The club, you pay your membership, you get

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Speaker 1: your uniform, you have a coach sending you the email, PDF,

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Speaker 1: the whole thing, and you get a return on your

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Speaker 1: investment because you're out for self. Maybe you meet some

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Speaker 1: people and it's a good time or whatever, but you're

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Speaker 1: out for self because that's the transaction. But with a collective,

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Speaker 1: everybody's raised and everybody has the potential to benefit. We

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Speaker 1: got to reach out and lift everybody up together. And

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Speaker 1: hopefully maybe that's some of the promise and the potential

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Speaker 1: of the crew movement in urban running coming out of

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, is that the crew movement can can look

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Speaker 1: back at what we had going on. We didn't have

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Speaker 1: to become clubs. We didn't have to train harder and

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Speaker 1: have expensive shoes. That's awesome. I'm definitely the expensive shoe.

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Speaker 1: I'm definitely day one four percent and our seat, Nike

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Speaker 1: run Club Club founder, definitely proud of my prs in

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Speaker 1: the race, and I'm racing again this fall. But there

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Speaker 1: was also something special about the other side of things,

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Speaker 1: and hopefully crews can go back and search their souls

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Speaker 1: for what made it special and what made it a

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Speaker 1: vibe to your word, but also your listeners who are

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Speaker 1: curious about this whole conversation. Maybe it's going to help

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Speaker 1: them in Bloomington or Biloxi or Brawley can look at

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Speaker 1: their running club and be like, Hey, what's it all about? Like,

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Speaker 1: can we what's this vibe thing? Can we have a vibe?

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Speaker 1: Can we want to go out for tacos after a run?

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Speaker 1: Or hey, should we you know, should we host like

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Speaker 1: an unsanctioned five k at nine o'clock at night, you know,

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Speaker 1: on the third of July or something like that. Just

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Speaker 1: thro't get out there, everybody, you know?

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Speaker 3: Should we do it?

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Speaker 2: Is there a hurdlers unsanctioned five k on July third?

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Speaker 2: I'm not announcing it here, but I'm not saying maybe not.

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Speaker 1: You said it. I didn't. I'm just.

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Speaker 3: Watch out race details coming coming soon.

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Speaker 2: Well before we wrap this up, what I think would

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Speaker 2: be a great cherry to put on top of this

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Speaker 2: Sunday that we've just compiled together would be talking a

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Speaker 2: little bit about how hurdlers could get integrated into their

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Speaker 2: local running community if they're not so already, or perhaps

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Speaker 2: just some maybe you know suggestions or tips that they

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Speaker 2: can use to really open themselves to becoming part of

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Speaker 2: something bigger than what they already have going on. So

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Speaker 2: where would you kickstart that discussion?

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Speaker 1: Honestly, you gotta be honest. We know running is not easy.

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Speaker 1: It has a lot of joys, subtle and overt. It's

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Speaker 1: not easy. So but we're doing it and you have

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Speaker 1: the curiosity because as human beings we have that innate curiosity.

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Speaker 1: The same impulse is there when it comes to ending

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Speaker 1: a running crew or a club that's cool that works

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Speaker 1: for you. It begins with us and as individuals, you

641
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Speaker 1: got to challenge yourself and believe in yourself. And this

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Speaker 1: is why I think is great for hurdlers because that's

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Speaker 1: who you connect with, Folks who are curious about the

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Speaker 1: potential of curiosity. And so I think that folks wherever

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Speaker 1: they are can step out and challenge themselves to get

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Speaker 1: out there and run with the crew that meets on

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Speaker 1: Wednesday six point thirty pm in the park in your town.

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Speaker 1: You're nervous. I mean, it happens to me. I remember

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Speaker 1: one time I was in Ethiopia and I went to

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Speaker 1: this town that's produced like Olympic gold medalists and world

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Speaker 1: record holders, and it's like going to like a holy

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Speaker 1: grail towns, like go into the Vatti of Mecca for

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Speaker 1: a runner. And I knew where the workout spot were.

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Speaker 1: The workout spot was like down a rocky trail crossover

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Speaker 1: a stream, and it was in a grove of eucalyptus

656
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Speaker 1: trees at dawn in this town at ten thousand feet altitude,

657
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Speaker 1: and here comes Knox Robinson like slipping and sliding down

658
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Speaker 1: the trail and they're in this grove. It was just

659
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Speaker 1: like it was like a Wild West movie, like the Showdown,

660
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: except it was all like skinny Ethiopian dudes in running

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Speaker 1: clothes and like old shoes. But they were there in

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Speaker 1: like a ring around this forest and there was just

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Speaker 1: like this mist and I was like, okay, this is

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Speaker 1: a shootout. This is like it's time now you're this

665
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: is it like I'm dead, But I'm taking two or

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Speaker 1: three of these guys out with me. Some two or

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Speaker 1: three that's not what it's like to go to a

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Speaker 1: running group. But I'm just saying, like, even for me,

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Speaker 1: I've been in experiences where I'm super intimidated to go out.

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Speaker 1: I ran an unsanctioned race last weekend, and I was

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Speaker 1: intimidated to line up with women I've been coaching. I

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Speaker 1: was intimidated to line up and run with like women

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Speaker 1: that I had invited out to come and run at

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Speaker 1: the race. I was like, I didn't think you are

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Speaker 1: going to show. So the intimidation is real, but that

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00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: just lets us know the promise of the potential for discovery. So,

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Speaker 1: first of all, folks should do it. And then for

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Speaker 1: us who are already in those groups, what are we

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Speaker 1: doing to remain open? What are we doing to make

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Speaker 1: sure that we're imaging and surfacing and communicating that openness.

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Speaker 1: We don't have to be like a running club that's

682
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 1: a community food drive and bring a can of soup

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Speaker 1: if you want to run a mile like that's awesome too,

684
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Speaker 1: But what are we doing in our behavior and the

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Speaker 1: way we talk when someone walks up off the street.

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Speaker 1: How are we interacting with them? You know, how are

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Speaker 1: we maintaining our cool and how are we making sure

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00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: we're wearing all black at night and talking about our

689
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Speaker 1: plans to go to the Chicago Marathon. But how are

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Speaker 1: we also like drawing somebody in and and and having

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Speaker 1: them come back a second time, Because it's if someone's

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Speaker 1: coming out the first time, then it's on us to

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Speaker 1: make sure they come back the second time. And that's

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Speaker 1: one more thing. A lot of like mainstream media was

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Speaker 1: asking me what what is a white ally in running?

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00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: Last year? What can a white person do for a

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Speaker 1: black runner? And I had seen some of my black

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00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 1: runners in arms kind of have a list of suggestions

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Speaker 1: and reading lists and all that. And I was thinking

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Speaker 1: of your teammate Tim ROSSI shout out Brooklyn Track Club

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Speaker 1: because I was like, a white ally for me can

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00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 1: drive past my house at six thirty in the morning

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Speaker 1: and pick me up on a long run for a

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Speaker 1: long run and trash me on a long run. That's like,

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Speaker 1: And that's Tim, and I like, and you're you know

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Speaker 1: the bros. And Brooklyn Track Club, the Lost Boy Stephen Finlay,

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Speaker 1: Like I've known those guys since the beginning, and those

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Speaker 1: guys I want to I could train with those guys.

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Speaker 1: That's what our connection is. Brooklyn Track Club has its

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Speaker 1: own thing, and Black Roses NYC has this nothing. But

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Speaker 1: like I do need Tim Rossly and Jare and all

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Speaker 1: those guys to come out this summer and like come

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Speaker 1: up into the hills and upstate New York and like

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Speaker 1: let's trash on some long runs. That's the same principle

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Speaker 1: that exists with all of us. So let's get people

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Speaker 1: coming back, and let's make sure if we've got to

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Speaker 1: go back and reach out to the person who came

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Speaker 1: the first time, if there's a little bit of curiosity,

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Speaker 1: let's meet that curiosity with that support.

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Speaker 2: So what I'm hearing you say here are two important factors.

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Speaker 2: Important factor number one is to show up. And it

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Speaker 2: could be to an organized situation, which could be a

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Speaker 2: Wednesday night at six thirty, or you might have to

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Speaker 2: figure out how to show out. Show up in your

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Speaker 2: own way in your local community. So if you're going

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Speaker 2: to a park where you know that people run, be

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Speaker 2: open to maybe striking up a conversation or talking to

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Speaker 2: another runner, because if that crew is not established, or

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Speaker 2: perhaps there's not something that you could really see yourself

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Speaker 2: in from the get go, although I would encourage you

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Speaker 2: to at least give it a try. Then you have

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Speaker 2: an opportunity to create your own community and create your

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Speaker 2: quote unquote own crew with whatever is available to you.

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Speaker 2: And then the second thing that is worth double clicking

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Speaker 2: on that I heard you say is be conscious of

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Speaker 2: how you are showing up in that space. So don't

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Speaker 2: show up and have your iPhone in your right hand

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Speaker 2: and expect to automatically be embraced in the culture, but

739
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Speaker 2: rather show up and look around you and absorb and

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Speaker 2: start these conversations and look to others to get a

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Speaker 2: better understanding of how you can integrate into this environment,

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Speaker 2: how you can feel more comfortable in this environment. With

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Speaker 2: the caveat that if you are already a member, standing

744
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 2: member in this environment, it is up to you to

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Speaker 2: be open to these new people and also not be

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Speaker 2: the person standing there blocking out the potential for what's

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Speaker 2: to come.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess one more thing is as someone

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Speaker 1: who is there, like in early days, I don't ever

750
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Speaker 1: hear people say this enough, but this whole thing is

751
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Speaker 1: made up. This whole thing is just a creative experiment

752
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: that a handful of people started that like got out

753
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: of control. When you talk about making up names, just

754
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,240
Speaker 1: make up starting your own crews are made up. Crews

755
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: are not real. People are real. Running is real, Your

756
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,919
Speaker 1: times are real, I guess if you believe in that.

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00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: But like, it's all made up, So Bridge Runners, Black Roses.

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Speaker 1: That's the funniest thing is this whole time highs and lows.

759
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: It's just made up. That doesn't make it fake. It's

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00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: very real, but it's made up. And so for folks

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Speaker 1: who are in cruise already, remember that your whole thing

762
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Speaker 1: is made up. And folks who are worried about or

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Speaker 1: nervous about going out for the first time, don't worry

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Speaker 1: about it. It's it's like puff the magic Dragon, Like,

765
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: don't don't worry about you know it's made up.

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Speaker 3: It's made up. Knox. Tell me what you're excited about

767
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Speaker 3: right now.

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00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: I'm excited. This is super corny, but this is how

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Speaker 1: I'm showing up. I'm excited to run in thirty minutes,

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Speaker 1: you know I love that. Yeah, I'm I'm about to

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Speaker 1: go out here and tool around in this park by

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Speaker 1: my house, and I'm excited for the future. I'm coming

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Speaker 1: back to uh New York for the summer there.

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Speaker 3: We love to hear that, well, some do, some don't.

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00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: There's some secret things happening upstate that we're going to

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00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: open up for the community with some some new partners

777
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: and some new energy, some new alliances. There's some new plot

778
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 1: twists that I think folks are going to be surprised

779
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: right out the window to see in a in a

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Speaker 1: month's time. So yeah, there's there's a The movie's not

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00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: over yet, so I look forward to seeing you in

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Speaker 1: a month or so.

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Speaker 2: The ultimate teaser from Knox Robinson Notox, thank you for

784
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Speaker 2: your time today. How do the hurdlers follow along with you?

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00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 2: How do they keep up with you? If they can

786
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Speaker 2: try give me the details.

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Speaker 1: I'm exclusively on Instagram. The handle is at first Run.

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Speaker 1: But the best thing to do is just come up

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Speaker 1: to me when you see me in the streets and connect,

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00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: because you never know when I'm running past your bakery,

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00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: your coffee shop. I ran with a crew the other day,

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00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: one of these crew that I kind of referenced out

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00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:37,760
Speaker 1: in the suburbs of Los Angeles, and like some people

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00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: were in their phones. Some people introduce themselves to me,

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00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 1: but it was like awesome for me just to lurk

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00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 1: into a crew. So I still do show up in

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00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: cities and like lurk with their crew. So if you

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Speaker 1: see someone who looks like me, introduce yourself because I'm shy.

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Speaker 2: Knox is coming for your crew and he's coming for

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Speaker 2: your croissants. I'm over at hurdle podcasts. At your body

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Speaker 2: another hurdle conjured. Catch you guys next time