Speaker 1: What at HBC means to me is friendship. So I
Speaker 1: met them in two thousand and three and what is
Speaker 1: it twenty twenty one?
Speaker 2: So lifelong friendships, that's what.
Speaker 1: It means to me.
Speaker 3: Yes, And I think at HBCU is a nurturing environment
Speaker 3: that puts US African Americans in a great spot, especially
Speaker 3: as we go into our endeavors. Whatever your career may be,
Speaker 3: it sets you up for success.
Speaker 1: If you have anything, it's dope.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 5: How you guys doing. I am Timothy McDonald.
Speaker 6: I am a senior chemical engineering major from Baltimore, Maryland,
Speaker 6: and I have the pleasure of serving as a forty
Speaker 6: fourth mister Howard University.
Speaker 5: Being on campus is the pitting me of black excellence.
Speaker 6: I would say, being surrounded by people not only of
Speaker 6: black minds, but black minds who are willing to challenge you.
Speaker 6: That's something that I had n't faced in high school.
Speaker 6: I went to a majority white high school, right and
Speaker 6: I just didn't have a lot of people that looked
Speaker 6: like me. And once I came to Howard, I knew
Speaker 6: that it was home. I knew that it was a
Speaker 6: place I had to be for the next four years.
Speaker 6: And even though we have been in a pandemic and
Speaker 6: it's been hard. Now that we're back, it feels like,
Speaker 6: you know, just an outpour of good times vibes and
Speaker 6: just being around black people.
Speaker 5: It's like a cookout, right, but all day, every day.
Speaker 5: So that's something I really enjoy.
Speaker 6: So our chant is something that you got to learn,
Speaker 6: which is HU. You know, that's something you do maybe
Speaker 6: a thousand times in the first week alone. So that
Speaker 6: is something and it kind of transcends classes, right. You
Speaker 6: can have alumni from ninety six all the way back
Speaker 6: to sixty six and they're gonna know Hu, you know, right,
Speaker 6: So it's that chance that we hold near and dear
Speaker 6: to our heart.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much, No problem, No problem.
Speaker 4: I'm TT and I'm Zakiyah and from Spotify.
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Speaker 4: Welcome to Dope Labs, a weekly podcast that makes this
Speaker 4: hardcore science, pop culture and a healthy dose of friendship.
Speaker 1: Okay, Zekia, I have a question for you. Shoot, what
Speaker 1: do Spike Lee, Tony Morrison, W E. B. Dubois, Thurgood Marshall,
Speaker 1: Jerry Rice, Felicia Rashade, and Debbie Allen all have in common.
Speaker 2: Fantasy dinner, wishless.
Speaker 1: Yes, but also they all went to historically black colleges
Speaker 1: and universities.
Speaker 4: So HBCUs yes, And that's right on time because it's
Speaker 4: Black History Month and this week we're focusing on HBCUs.
Speaker 4: We're covering everything from history to homecoming. We're delving right
Speaker 4: into the HBCU experience. You know, HBCUs have been in
Speaker 4: the news, they've been in the media. We've seen them
Speaker 4: portray positively. We've seen students complaining about conditions at different
Speaker 4: hb So remember in DC at Howard we saw some
Speaker 4: folks protesting, yeah, about their housing conditions. Yes, and Howard
Speaker 4: is not alone. A couple of other schools have seen
Speaker 4: some similar things happening, some similar feedback from their students.
Speaker 4: Then recently, just earlier this month, do you remember when
Speaker 4: all the bomb threats were called into the.
Speaker 1: Hbc My goodness, that was so scary.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So, you know, I feel like we're seeing positive things
Speaker 4: but also negative things and outside influences.
Speaker 2: Just so much going on.
Speaker 4: But I think there's still a lot to celebrate about
Speaker 4: the HBCU experience.
Speaker 1: And Zakiya, I am really excited about this because you
Speaker 1: went to an HBCU.
Speaker 4: Yes, I am a graduate of Hampton University, and so
Speaker 4: I can't wait to reminisce and talk about some of
Speaker 4: my HBCU experience.
Speaker 2: Those were some formative years.
Speaker 1: I cannot wait. Let's get into the recitation, all right,
Speaker 1: So what do we know today?
Speaker 4: There are just over one hundred HBCUs in the United
Speaker 4: States and that equals about three percent of our colleges
Speaker 4: and universities, both public and private. Many of our HBCUs
Speaker 4: are located in the Southern States, and Alabama has the
Speaker 4: most hbcused per state, with twelve total.
Speaker 1: Another thing that we know is that HBCUs play a
Speaker 1: huge part in education, and we are particularly focused on
Speaker 1: STEM education and addressing inequalities in STEM education.
Speaker 4: Yes, as a matter of fact, about twenty seven percent
Speaker 4: of black undergrads got their STEM degrees from HBCUs, and
Speaker 4: if you look at black doctors in the US, fifty
Speaker 4: percent of them.
Speaker 2: Are HBCU graduates.
Speaker 1: Not to mention, in my field of engineering, forty six
Speaker 1: percent of black women engineers graduated from HBCUs and thirty
Speaker 1: percent of black doctorates in science and engineering are from HBCUs.
Speaker 4: You know, HBCUs have been underfunded for decades and we're
Speaker 4: starting to see some lawsuits in cases where states are
Speaker 4: having to pay up. So just last year, the governor
Speaker 4: of Maryland, Hogan, signed a settlement for five hundred and
Speaker 4: seventy seven million dollars to go to Maryland's HBCUs. What
Speaker 4: they found is that the whole statewide system of education
Speaker 4: for Maryland was disproportionately sending funds to primarily white institutions
Speaker 4: and underfunding the for HBCUs under their care. So over
Speaker 4: the next ten years they will disperse those funds back
Speaker 4: to those schools.
Speaker 1: The twenty five largest predominantly white institutions, their endowments are
Speaker 1: greater than the endowments of all the HBCUs combined. So
Speaker 1: what do we want to know? I know that there's
Speaker 1: a lot that I want to know because I didn't
Speaker 1: go to HBCU unfortunately, so I've got a lot of
Speaker 1: questions because I feel like it'll help me know my
Speaker 1: friend even better.
Speaker 4: Well, we're going to focus on a couple things, friendship
Speaker 4: and camaraderie, mentorship and stewardship. How attended an hbc you
Speaker 4: might affect your identity, so the black experience and different
Speaker 4: perspectives and campus life.
Speaker 2: And then we'll talk about how.
Speaker 4: HBCUs have been portrayed in the media, but one component
Speaker 4: of that that we have to touch is homecoming, which
Speaker 4: is a celebration of coming together and being back on campus.
Speaker 4: I know we said three things, but I couldn't stop.
Speaker 1: I am very excited to dive in, So let's jump
Speaker 1: into the dissection.
Speaker 2: Today.
Speaker 1: We are so excited to have our friend Xavier journ
Speaker 1: again on the show. He's going to be talking to
Speaker 1: us all about his HBCU experience, as well as Zakiah,
Speaker 1: So we got two experts today.
Speaker 2: I'm Xavier Journegan.
Speaker 8: Everybody calls me x I'm the host of The Get Up,
Speaker 8: Spotify's daily morning show, and I'm also an exec at Spotify.
Speaker 8: And I'm a proud, proud Florida A and M University fam.
Speaker 8: You rattler, I bleed arnging Green. Yes, I said it,
Speaker 8: earne in Green.
Speaker 1: Choosing a college, if you decide to go to college,
Speaker 1: is a really big deal. Choosing the right college, choosing
Speaker 1: a place where you know you'll feel comfortable to further
Speaker 1: your education is a really big deal. And as you
Speaker 1: can hear, we have someone who is very proud of
Speaker 1: their institution on the show.
Speaker 4: We asked X to tell us why he chose an
Speaker 4: HBCU and where his beginnings of his love for HBCUs
Speaker 4: kind of started.
Speaker 8: My hometown, Daytona is an HBCU city, so I grew
Speaker 8: up around it. My aunt and uncle worked there. My
Speaker 8: cousin Zach was section leader at a drum line at Cookman.
Speaker 8: My cousin Terry, his sister, went to cook me and
Speaker 8: we always went to the homecoming parade. Zach will march
Speaker 8: by me and my brother and show out in front
Speaker 8: of us and wink at us, and then me and
Speaker 8: my brother became drummers.
Speaker 1: So it sounds like your hbc you experience started when
Speaker 1: you were really, really young, very young. I've definitely heard
Speaker 1: that with a lot of people that I know that
Speaker 1: went to HBCUs. They were exposed to HBCU cultures young, and.
Speaker 8: I do think that's a big part of it, like
Speaker 8: your exposure to it. And I grew up on like
Speaker 8: school days came out when I was a little kid,
Speaker 8: and in a different world was like those are my
Speaker 8: formative years.
Speaker 2: Ex is making a really good point. Tt.
Speaker 4: I feel like over the past couple of years there
Speaker 4: has been so much HBCU exposure in the media.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 4: If you think back to Beyonce's Homecoming at Coachella, that performance. Yes, yes,
Speaker 4: I've even recently seen litl nas. X did something it
Speaker 4: wasn't HBCU centric, but it definitely gave me homecoming vibes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely drumline homecoming, you know, things like that.
Speaker 4: So X talks about exposure in the media that kind
Speaker 4: of drove his love for HBCUs as well, specifically School Days,
Speaker 4: which was written, directed, and produced by Spike Lee, who
Speaker 4: graduated from Morehouse and all male HBCU, and School Days
Speaker 4: also gives a good view of, yes, the HBCU experience,
Speaker 4: but in particular the Black Greek experience and tt.
Speaker 2: You know a little bit about that.
Speaker 1: Yes, the Divine Nine. It's made up of nine fraternities
Speaker 1: and sororities, and I am a proud member of Alpha
Speaker 1: Kapa Alpha Sorority Incorporated.
Speaker 8: So like going up to the campus, me and my
Speaker 8: mom and my brother would go up there and just
Speaker 8: hang out in my aunt Helen's office or my uncle
Speaker 8: James's office and just being in that environment. And then
Speaker 8: my mom went to Cookman and a big part of
Speaker 8: my story, y'all, So my mom had me and my
Speaker 8: brother young. My mom was about to enter her freshman
Speaker 8: year at Bathune Cookman at eighteen. She was pregnant with
Speaker 8: my brother. I ain't come along in the next summer.
Speaker 8: She still keeps going, but then it was too much,
Speaker 8: so she didn't finish.
Speaker 2: But all throughout.
Speaker 8: Growing up, y'all, you will always say to me and
Speaker 8: my brother, I'm going to go back one day. And
Speaker 8: just a few years ago, my mom finally went back
Speaker 8: to the Cookman University and she was able to finish
Speaker 8: that degree, and then she went on and got her
Speaker 8: master's because she's a g That's the HBCU experience.
Speaker 1: And Zakia, listening to X, it really brings back memories
Speaker 1: from stories that you've told me about your upbringing and
Speaker 1: your experience at Hampton. Because you grew up in Greensboro,
Speaker 1: so you were near an HBCU.
Speaker 4: Yes, what ex is saying resonates so much with me
Speaker 4: because I grew up in Greensboro and that's where North
Speaker 4: Carolina A and T is and it's where Bennett College is,
Speaker 4: which is a women's HBCU. It's a huge university town.
Speaker 4: I was talking to somebody and I was saying, Hey,
Speaker 4: I know you went to A and T. But would
Speaker 4: it be strange for me to have an A and
Speaker 4: T sweater? And they're like, you didn't go to A
Speaker 4: and T. But I feel like A and T raised people.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 4: When I think about my trajectory, my path to science,
Speaker 4: I always say it started with these Saturday academies for
Speaker 4: math and science at North Carolina A and T. Yeah,
Speaker 4: my mom was going back to school at A and
Speaker 4: T while I was in middle school, and so Saturdays
Speaker 4: I was going to these academies learning more math and
Speaker 4: science and doing like the SAT and psat training. And
Speaker 4: then by the time I got to high school, one
Speaker 4: of my first summer jobs was working on A and
Speaker 4: T's campus in the Ron McNair building, which was named
Speaker 4: after Ron McNair, who was a black astronaut. And my
Speaker 4: first exposure TT was in your lane in engineering. I
Speaker 4: was doing some civil engineering stuff with the Army Research
Speaker 4: Lab in North Carolina A and T. And that was
Speaker 4: like my first hands on science internship that I was doing. Yes,
Speaker 4: you know, TT, I feel like there's been a lot
Speaker 4: of conversation about high school students and just people in
Speaker 4: general when it comes time to deciding Okay, yes, I
Speaker 4: am going to college. Do I want to go to
Speaker 4: an HBCU or a predominantly white institution or IVY league.
Speaker 4: You know, I feel like we've been seeing a trend
Speaker 4: towards high profile students going to HBCUs exactly.
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter, he was a top college recruit for the
Speaker 1: class of twenty twenty two for football, and he chose
Speaker 1: to go to HBCU Jackson State University instead of Florida
Speaker 1: State University. He switched his commitment and is now attending
Speaker 1: Jackson State.
Speaker 4: We talked to X about this a little bit too,
Speaker 4: because that's not a new sentiment, you know, the concern
Speaker 4: about what does it mean if you choose an HBCU
Speaker 4: earlier in your career, and he's heard some different arguments
Speaker 4: against it as well.
Speaker 2: There is like this argument out there.
Speaker 8: It's like, oh, don't go to an HBCU because that's
Speaker 8: not the real world. But when do you get another
Speaker 8: time to be around your true peer group, not just
Speaker 8: age age and people with a similar experience from you,
Speaker 8: like cultural experience for a five year period in my life.
Speaker 8: And what that does is it removes at least on
Speaker 8: that campus race. There is no Black student union, is
Speaker 8: just the student Union because we're ninety percent black and
Speaker 8: it's just this loving, welcoming space. It's truly the definition
Speaker 8: of what a safe space is. It gives you this
Speaker 8: confidence to know that you can go out in the
Speaker 8: world after and truly know who you are. When we're
Speaker 8: talking about HBCUs, we're talking about schools that were the
Speaker 8: only schools that could and would educate Black folks when
Speaker 8: they didn't want us at the other schools. For me
Speaker 8: to choose to go there is just something really special
Speaker 8: to me. The college experience was the black college experience,
Speaker 8: and that's the only experience I wanted. So I only
Speaker 8: applied to Howard FAM at the time, and I got
Speaker 8: accepted to both. You know, my brother was at Howard
Speaker 8: FAM had the five year NBA. I went to FAM.
Speaker 8: It was that simple and it was the best choice
Speaker 8: of my life. Never regretted it. Loved every day I
Speaker 8: was that, even in bad days, was special. The bonds
Speaker 8: you form they care like FAM's model was excellence with
Speaker 8: caring and that's real. Like we're gonna push you to
Speaker 8: be great, We're gonna care about but we're gonna hold
Speaker 8: you accountable and if you mess it up, we're gonna
Speaker 8: tell you so, I had, you know, a mom from home,
Speaker 8: doctor harp from my heart like she helped me down.
Speaker 2: Man, It's just a special, special experience.
Speaker 4: I think we all can think back to, you know,
Speaker 4: special people who guided us or kept us on the
Speaker 4: right track as we were moving through our academic careers.
Speaker 1: Yes, and I always love this story that you tell
Speaker 1: about doctor White.
Speaker 4: I met a woman. Her name was doctor Gladys Hope
Speaker 4: Franklin White. She came to my high school and she
Speaker 4: was like, Hey, I want to talk to people that
Speaker 4: want to go to college. She wasn't an alumna of
Speaker 4: Hampton University. If I told her what I wanted to do,
Speaker 4: she said, have you taken to SAT I have these
Speaker 4: Saturday classes. I mean it was very much a community
Speaker 4: and nurturing kind of thing.
Speaker 5: That's right.
Speaker 4: I love that she said, come to my church. The
Speaker 4: admissions officer will be here. You can apply in person,
Speaker 4: you can tell your story, talk to them.
Speaker 2: Come on.
Speaker 4: And I got a full ri that day to Hampton
Speaker 4: when I went to meet with the admissions officer.
Speaker 1: That's huge.
Speaker 4: And I had no clue this woman was just helping me.
Speaker 4: She helped all these other people she had helped my
Speaker 4: friend Randy the year before, and when I actually went
Speaker 4: to visit Hampton, I was like, Oh, Gladys Hope Franklin
Speaker 4: White Hall, this is her dorm.
Speaker 2: She earned that thought a lot of people in that dome.
Speaker 4: This type of community shows up in different places. So
Speaker 4: I was able to do admissions at a local church.
Speaker 4: But this is no different from some of the offers
Speaker 4: to interview applicants to Duke or to other schools that
Speaker 4: we get as a lums.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely, It's a story you hear in a lot
Speaker 1: of different spaces. White folks do this all the time. Yes,
Speaker 1: the good Old Boys Club exists, and what HBCU grids
Speaker 1: and HBCU faculty and staff is just that giving people
Speaker 1: opportunity and chances that they might not be aware about
Speaker 1: or say, hey, I know somebody that you can talk to.
Speaker 1: They're giving you additional resources that your white counterparts are getting.
Speaker 1: We see it all the time.
Speaker 4: It just feels so special to see these folks. You know,
Speaker 4: have you ever met on any other traditional you know,
Speaker 4: PWI campus. Have you ever met the person that the
Speaker 4: dorm is named after. Have they ever come and recruited
Speaker 4: you and your friends? No, and that type of love
Speaker 4: and care. That is central to the hbc YOU experience,
Speaker 4: and I think we try to do it across the board.
Speaker 4: I've tried to bring TT into the HBCU folk.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I have my Hampton sweatshirt that now I'm afraid
Speaker 1: to wear because I wore it in the airport because
Speaker 1: I was going to visit a Kia. It was for
Speaker 1: her birthday. I was meeting up with her and all
Speaker 1: of her friends from Hampton, QT from the arm everybody.
Speaker 1: So I put on my Hampton sweatshirt and I was
Speaker 1: in the airport and beautiful black women comes up to
Speaker 1: me and she says, I like your sweatshirt. And I
Speaker 1: said thank you. That wasn't the right answer. She knew
Speaker 1: I was a fraud. She knew that I did not
Speaker 1: go to Hampton, and I was mortified. I started sweating.
Speaker 1: I was like, sweatshirt got so heavy, it felt like
Speaker 1: a million pounds. In that moment, I was just like
Speaker 1: someone helped me get this.
Speaker 8: Off bullet proof vest on all of a sudden real
Speaker 8: And that's what it is.
Speaker 4: The HBCU experienced. People are holding you accountable. They're like,
Speaker 4: do you belong in that Hampton shirt? Are you really
Speaker 4: a Hamptonia, and there's so much nuance even from university
Speaker 4: to university, and even when you get to a school,
Speaker 4: tt little groups at that school. Absolutely, as we know,
Speaker 4: black people are not a monolith, and there are lots
Speaker 4: of different types of black folks. And you and Ex
Speaker 4: told me about your experiences on your HBCU campuses, and
Speaker 4: you're exposure to different Black upbringings and lifestyles.
Speaker 8: Most of my friends growing up came from single parent homes.
Speaker 8: I thought that was the norm because that was all
Speaker 8: my friends I went to fam. I was in the
Speaker 8: minority when it came to that. So my roommate Lands
Speaker 8: he had both his parents in the house, My boy
Speaker 8: Brian both parents, Alita both parents, Erica both parents, Comal
Speaker 8: both parents. I got this other experience and I needed that, y'all.
Speaker 8: I didn't know I needed it until I met a
Speaker 8: whole bunch of people who had an opposite experience coming
Speaker 8: from the black community.
Speaker 2: SI, kid, what about you.
Speaker 4: I can remember my first day coming on the campus
Speaker 4: similar to you, Ex. You know, I just thought, my
Speaker 4: experience is my experience. This is black folks in the South.
Speaker 4: Virginia is still the South.
Speaker 2: To me, right, It's true. My guy.
Speaker 4: When I got there, I was like, who are all
Speaker 4: these people dressing different? I always tell TT because T's
Speaker 4: from PG County, and so I always tell her the
Speaker 4: Maryland and Baltimore people are ninjas. They have new It
Speaker 4: was New Balances, it was Nike ACG boots. There were
Speaker 4: all these little microcosms of blackness that I didn't even
Speaker 4: know about. There were stratifications of class, socioeconomic status, exposure
Speaker 4: to different things, things that were related to geography, language
Speaker 4: difference that you could just pick up on and hear.
Speaker 4: Exposure to music culture just so much. And I grew
Speaker 4: to appreciate black culture in such a way that I
Speaker 4: hadn't experienced and hadn't appreciated before. And so I was
Speaker 4: meeting people for the first time from the Caribbean. One
Speaker 4: of my closest friends my first year, she came in
Speaker 4: and she was already married. That wasn'thard of to me.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 4: One of my other exposures from Hampton is everybody I
Speaker 4: knew up until then what I considered to be middle
Speaker 4: class or doing well. When I got to Hampton, I
Speaker 4: met folks whose parents were in entertainment or show business
Speaker 4: or were lawyers. And my parent is about to be
Speaker 4: a judge how we do their campaign, Like things that
Speaker 4: I was never exposed to people whose parents were doctors.
Speaker 4: I didn't know anybody who was a doctor before that.
Speaker 4: Just meeting other people who looked like you and it
Speaker 4: opened the world of possibility for me.
Speaker 2: I totally agree.
Speaker 8: You see somebody that looked like they could be your
Speaker 8: uncle or your dad. That's big to see that at
Speaker 8: like seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, twenty years old.
Speaker 1: Right, So it contributes to the if you can see it,
Speaker 1: you can be it mentality. So I've heard a lot
Speaker 1: of things about life on campus at HBCUs, some things
Speaker 1: like dress codes, curfews and things like that. I really
Speaker 1: wanted to know more about that.
Speaker 4: Hampton had a lot of rules our first year. We
Speaker 4: couldn't have a car as a freshman. Yeah, it was
Speaker 4: in by like nine or eleven or something like. You
Speaker 4: need to be in the dorm and we didn't have
Speaker 4: co ed dorms. We didn't either, and we had a
Speaker 4: dorm mother or a father, somebody who stayed in the dorm.
Speaker 4: And our dorm mother her name was mssus Charity and Titi.
Speaker 4: You remember, on my birthday, we recorded a video message
Speaker 4: for my dorm mother, whom we all still keep in
Speaker 4: touch with all these years later. And so there was
Speaker 4: just this feeling of community and we got in trouble.
Speaker 4: You would not appear as a Hampton University student on
Speaker 4: the news. You would appear as a former Hampton University
Speaker 4: student and they would call it out wide five because
Speaker 4: you would be stilled by five pm.
Speaker 2: That's real. It was very strict, you know.
Speaker 8: One of the things that fam The dorms were separating,
Speaker 8: so if you went to visit a girl, you couldn't
Speaker 8: go past the lobby and when you stepped in the
Speaker 8: building you had to give an ID, sign in and
Speaker 8: be approved.
Speaker 2: And all you could do was sit in.
Speaker 8: The lobby and it was doors that would lock on
Speaker 8: either side of the lobby.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ain't no sneaky links, no sneaky links. It's real. Nah,
Speaker 2: it ain't going down.
Speaker 8: And you see all these guys lined up on the
Speaker 8: stairs like waiting for the girl they want to talk to.
Speaker 8: I just remember hearing stories about people sneaking people into
Speaker 8: the dorms. That's not happening with the girls dorm, but
Speaker 8: it was a way to do it. In Samson Hall
Speaker 8: where I stayed another stories for another day.
Speaker 4: Okay, so that's curfew. What about dress code?
Speaker 8: Talking about dress, Going to the School of Business and
Speaker 8: Industry SBI, there were certain dress that we had to
Speaker 8: wear for certain events. We had to wear a certain
Speaker 8: dress code on certain days. Blue suit for men, not
Speaker 8: black blue or power gray. It was teaching us how
Speaker 8: to be ready for the corporate world. And it'd be like, listen,
Speaker 8: you're going to get judged on the way you look.
Speaker 8: So do you want to get discriminated against because you
Speaker 8: don't know the proper dress and the proper etiquette in
Speaker 8: the business environment, because you already got certain things to
Speaker 8: deal with as black folks.
Speaker 2: But we're going to go in there and we're going
Speaker 2: to be dope. Absolutely.
Speaker 4: I remember receiving something in the mail that said you
Speaker 4: need to have a black pant or skirt suit, you
Speaker 4: need to have a white dress. That was for convocation.
Speaker 4: There's a building on campus called Ogden Hall, and there's
Speaker 4: a circle in front of it, and there's first of all,
Speaker 4: some superstition that you don't walk across the grass in
Speaker 4: Ogden Circle or you won't graduate on time. But the
Speaker 4: way they told us this is how you dressed when
Speaker 4: you come to Ogden Hall. This was like our auditorium.
Speaker 4: So when people were describing a tire for events, it
Speaker 4: would say, you wear your Ogden's Best.
Speaker 2: I like that to different things, right.
Speaker 1: I'm coming to my Ougden's vest.
Speaker 2: Yes, we knew when we were supposed to.
Speaker 4: Have on, and you just got used to dressing up.
Speaker 4: You got used to being comfortable in those clothes. If
Speaker 4: it's your turn to present in class, you're dressing up.
Speaker 4: You're not presenting in your jeans.
Speaker 5: Not happening.
Speaker 1: I presented them pajamas. What was wrong with me?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you think these people are important people? Clearly
Speaker 1: they're professors. Why wouldn't you try and impress them?
Speaker 4: And you've seen this in person? TT Remember when we
Speaker 4: went to A and T and gave that to.
Speaker 1: Everyone was so impressive. Folks came in their Ogden's Best, okay,
Speaker 1: and they were ready. First of all, when folks would
Speaker 1: stand up, everyone knew the exact spill to give to
Speaker 1: introduce themselves. They would say their name, they would say
Speaker 1: what year they were, they would say where they were from,
Speaker 1: and then they would proceed with their question.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 8: We were taught that good afternoon I'm Xavier Journigan. I
Speaker 8: am a fourth year NBA student from Daytona Beach, Florida.
Speaker 8: Same thing we got taught that in SBI. I was
Speaker 8: like week one. Oh you know what else too, handshakes.
Speaker 8: We got taught how to do handshakes, look at each
Speaker 8: other in the eye, and then do that with the
Speaker 8: introduction as well. As a freshman, we had to go
Speaker 8: around with a notebook. It was called a nothing book,
Speaker 8: and you carried it around your first semester and you
Speaker 8: had to have upper classmen sign it. But you had
Speaker 8: to go up to them and give the proper introduction.
Speaker 8: They'll correct you if the handshake was wrong, like no,
Speaker 8: you do it like this, Okay, try it again, and
Speaker 8: once you got it right, then they would sign your
Speaker 8: nothing book. And you had to get three signatures the
Speaker 8: week for like the whole first semester, so you had
Speaker 8: to go up to professors to upper.
Speaker 2: Classmen, wow, until you got it down.
Speaker 4: We didn't have a book like that, but there was
Speaker 4: something very similar about this culture of each one teach
Speaker 4: one right. The upper classes look out and everybody had
Speaker 4: like big brothers and big sisters, like folks who looked
Speaker 4: out for you and your crew told you what you
Speaker 4: needed to be doing, like, these are the classes you
Speaker 4: should take, here's who you should talk to.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 8: There's a class where you learn all the presidents of
Speaker 8: the school before. If you had to learn that, we
Speaker 8: had to learn alma mater. We had to learn the
Speaker 8: Negro national anthem. We sung the Negro national anthem before.
Speaker 8: Every form and forum was like a big thing on
Speaker 8: Tuesdays and Thursdays where a big executive from a company,
Speaker 8: for example, Ken Chenault from AMX came down a bunch
Speaker 8: of people.
Speaker 2: This was every week.
Speaker 8: They'd give a speech and a student would introduce them,
Speaker 8: and then we'd had to ask questions for grades. So
Speaker 8: I go into corporate America, I had the confidence to
Speaker 8: ask CEO's questions.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 8: So we would have mock dinners and we would have
Speaker 8: receptions where different companies would come in that have relationships
Speaker 8: with FAM and SBI. We're going to know how to
Speaker 8: move in these rooms, and you're going to know how
Speaker 8: to dress and what proper to use when you're at dinner.
Speaker 8: That was so special and so important. So when you
Speaker 8: had your interviews and did your internships, you were really
Speaker 8: confident in there.
Speaker 2: And I carry a lot of that with me today.
Speaker 4: And there's also just so much culture around being the
Speaker 4: product of an HBCU, So like different songs you sing
Speaker 4: and poems to know just all kinds of stuff like that.
Speaker 4: You also get that education too, and it's so valuable,
Speaker 4: and I think we see more and more people appreciating
Speaker 4: that as they learned that that's part of the hbc
Speaker 4: YOU experience. We're gonna take a quick break, but we'll
Speaker 4: have much more with X when we get back. And
Speaker 4: we're back, let's jump into our deep dive with guest
Speaker 4: experts Xavier Journegan on HBCUs. So my next question is
Speaker 4: about HBCUs in the media. X. I know that you
Speaker 4: have mentioned school days and how important that was to you,
Speaker 4: and we also talked a little bit about a Different World,
Speaker 4: which I was absolutely fascinated by growing up and watching that.
Speaker 4: I binge watched a Different World again and it just
Speaker 4: gets better and better with age, and it really highlights
Speaker 4: another point that you and ze Key were making about
Speaker 4: the nuance of blackness.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like all of the different TV shows
Speaker 1: that are set at HBCUs are accurate in their depiction
Speaker 1: of HBCU culture.
Speaker 2: I was so fortunate.
Speaker 8: One of my favorite interviews so far that I've done
Speaker 8: on The Get Up is I got to sit down
Speaker 8: with Evatt Lee Bowser Goat. She created Living Single, the
Speaker 8: first black woman to create a network sitcom. Friends took
Speaker 8: that archetype. Sex and the City took that archetype. She
Speaker 8: was a writer and a producer on a Different World.
Speaker 8: I thought A Different World totally nailed it. I experienced
Speaker 8: that as a little kid. Then I went to FAM
Speaker 8: and then my appreciation for a Different World went on
Speaker 8: another level because it was just like.
Speaker 2: Yo, they really got that right.
Speaker 1: I heard that A Different World was based off of Hampton.
Speaker 1: Is that true?
Speaker 8: I think it was an amalgamation of a few schools.
Speaker 8: I think it was like, I know, it was Spelman's
Speaker 8: campus that they shot, like the exterior scenes like when
Speaker 8: they show a campus, but the fictitious school Hillman was
Speaker 8: actually in Virginias and they would go to DC sometimes.
Speaker 4: Yes, when I think about it, I feel like every
Speaker 4: show from our time really depicts it well. I feel
Speaker 4: like I have a friend that fits every one of
Speaker 4: those type yes of characters. And I think about shows
Speaker 4: like Martin where people are wearing HBC.
Speaker 2: Yes gear and stuff like living single as well.
Speaker 4: Living single, it feels like that people are still friends.
Speaker 4: You meet other people's friends from college or it's all
Speaker 4: this connectedness. So at Hampton, we had two cafeterias we
Speaker 4: did too, We did too. One was the big main
Speaker 4: cape and on the other side of the kitchen for
Speaker 4: that cafeteria was a smaller seating area that they called
Speaker 4: the Little Calf.
Speaker 1: Okay, so they're connected.
Speaker 4: They were connected, but they were only connected by the kitchen,
Speaker 4: so they had different entrances and stuff.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: And it's just so crazy to me that different HBCUs
Speaker 4: they find the smallest things to claim and represent. It's
Speaker 4: not just oh I went to this school. It's not
Speaker 4: just oh I was this kind of major. Oh I
Speaker 4: was in this dorm. It's also like, I'm team Little Calf.
Speaker 4: I saw Justin Tinsley who graduated from Hampton and he's
Speaker 4: a writer. He just did that great podcast with Nipsey Hustle.
Speaker 1: Yes the thirty for thirty.
Speaker 2: Yes, he was.
Speaker 4: Tweeting and he said team Little Calf, and he just
Speaker 4: brought back so many memories when I saw it, because me, I'm.
Speaker 2: Team Big Calf.
Speaker 1: Okay, then we're team Big Calf. Was there difference in
Speaker 1: the food.
Speaker 4: The vibes are totally different, Like one of them might
Speaker 4: have had a waffle station on Sundays, or they opened
Speaker 4: at different times, like the Big Calf opened at four pm.
Speaker 4: I was opening up with the people, I'm like, let
Speaker 4: me help you push these chairs in and get ready.
Speaker 2: I wanted right there. It was like clicks right.
Speaker 4: There were always these older people who were like, now, baby,
Speaker 4: you don't need to be eating this. You've been having
Speaker 4: corby pash every day. That's not good for you. All
Speaker 4: of this stuff it just felt so true to my
Speaker 4: singular experience and now realizing it's true across all these experiences.
Speaker 4: And really what I'm trying to say is that the
Speaker 4: portrayals of the HBCU experience that I see on television
Speaker 4: feel realistic to me because they capture some of this
Speaker 4: nuance even on a different world. The importance of mister Gaines, Yes.
Speaker 1: He was so important a pillar in that community, and
Speaker 1: that was very real. Mister Gaines was the cafeteria man.
Speaker 1: He was one of the cooks for the cafeteria. I
Speaker 1: think he was the head cook, and then some of
Speaker 1: the students would work for him and he gave really
Speaker 1: great advice. He was very funny and he was critical.
Speaker 4: And then you begin to realize that it's kind of
Speaker 4: true across all these different experiences, regardless of which HBCU
Speaker 4: you went to, it's like, hmmm, they really nailed it.
Speaker 8: Yes, there's this universal experience which bonds all of us
Speaker 8: that went to HBCUs. And you know, we'll say HBCU pride,
Speaker 8: we'll shout that out and we'll try to go to
Speaker 8: each other's homecomings. I remember when Howard and Fam played
Speaker 8: in DC. We took a trip up to DC, so
Speaker 8: I hung with my brother and then one time he
Speaker 8: came down and surprised me and hung with me and
Speaker 8: my friends at FAM, which was like one of my
Speaker 8: all time favorite memories.
Speaker 1: And just hearing X talk about going to other people's
Speaker 1: football games, that makes me think about homecoming and what
Speaker 1: we all know. I don't care where you went to school.
Speaker 1: You know that HBCU homecomings are different. Okay, they're built different.
Speaker 8: Okay, let's talk about it because it is something special
Speaker 8: to me. People care first and foremost we care about
Speaker 8: homecoming is staying in at PWIS. People don't really care
Speaker 8: about homecomanies's a regular game.
Speaker 1: I have literally never gone back to Home come in right.
Speaker 2: We make plans. Yeah, you're in advance, like you're going
Speaker 2: to home Kom. You're going home Kom.
Speaker 8: When the football schedule is released that day, we're booking rooms.
Speaker 2: It's like that serious.
Speaker 8: And man, just to be there on campus again with
Speaker 8: the outfits, all the FAM gear, because any FAM event,
Speaker 8: you're gonna have a seed of orange green. Ain't nobody
Speaker 8: got school pride like FAM. I'm telling y'all, you go
Speaker 8: and you actually go see your professors. You email them
Speaker 8: before you go down. Like doctor Harper, who I mentioned
Speaker 8: earlier she retired. I went and saw doctor Harper and
Speaker 8: we both were like tearing up sitting there talking like
Speaker 8: it's that special. How is it there?
Speaker 2: Zakia?
Speaker 4: I think back to five and six year olds Akida
Speaker 4: marching in the homecoming parade at A and T with
Speaker 4: my little things troop Okay. I think about tailgating on
Speaker 4: Sullivan Street and hanging out at my aunt's house down
Speaker 4: the street from the stadium. Hampton felt a little different
Speaker 4: for me right when I was there. I didn't care
Speaker 4: about the football team. I wasn't particularly in love with
Speaker 4: the homecoming experience at Hampton, which may be like taboo
Speaker 4: to say, because I was always going back to North
Speaker 4: Carolina for the homecoming experience at A and T right,
Speaker 4: which is known now is the greatest homecoming on Earth.
Speaker 8: That's the biggest marketing.
Speaker 2: Because it's it's it's it's a farce. Stop it, stop it, Aggie's.
Speaker 4: And so I went to the predominantly black high school
Speaker 4: in Greensboro, which is down the street from A and T,
Speaker 4: which they used to call Little Tea, where the marching
Speaker 4: band culture was really big. So the homecoming for high
Speaker 4: school would often be that Friday, and then it's A
Speaker 4: and T homecoming Saturday, right, So people would show up
Speaker 4: at my high school homecoming. The old heads would come
Speaker 4: back and they're trying to out cheer and out march
Speaker 4: the current high school students. And so for me, it's
Speaker 4: always been going back seeing my friends and family in Greensboro.
Speaker 2: I would bring my college.
Speaker 4: Friends with me from Hampton to come down and experience this.
Speaker 4: We would hang out all night on Friday. We would
Speaker 4: be coming into the house late, but at seven, my
Speaker 4: mom was coming and knocking on that door, like everybody
Speaker 4: ready to go to the parade. So y'all getting up
Speaker 4: to go early morning, early morning to the parade, and
Speaker 4: you're out there all day, tailgating, walking around. Who knows
Speaker 4: where you park your car, You're probably blocked in. You're
Speaker 4: going to be there all day. People are riding up
Speaker 4: and down High Point Road all these places near the campus,
Speaker 4: and you're just running into people tailgating. The smells, the sounds,
Speaker 4: generators going, people were selling those mix CDs. You can
Speaker 4: hear the game in the background. I never really went
Speaker 4: to the game, but I would always hear cheering. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's a roar because there are so many people and
Speaker 4: older folks coming back and asking you what you're doing
Speaker 4: with your life, how can they help.
Speaker 2: You, What do you want to do next.
Speaker 4: It is such a communal affair. Everybody there is rooting
Speaker 4: for everybody else.
Speaker 2: I totally agree.
Speaker 4: They used to have huge concerts Saturday night.
Speaker 2: Course, of course.
Speaker 5: I remember my.
Speaker 4: First homecoming concert I went to. It was Rough Riders.
Speaker 4: DMX was there, jay Z was there. It was a
Speaker 4: mart Knock Life tour coming through and hearing those things
Speaker 4: on the radio leading up to it. It is just excitement.
Speaker 4: It is celebration in this truest sense.
Speaker 1: So y'all have given us a little bit of background
Speaker 1: on the sites. But let's get into the sound of Homecoming.
Speaker 1: Tell me about the bands.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so you got the guys with the flags, so
Speaker 8: the flag core. They go hard, they throw them flags
Speaker 8: down and get to pop in Florida style because we
Speaker 8: grew up on booty Shake in the States. If he
Speaker 8: had mentioned the base, but bas culture and car culture
Speaker 8: is everything, especially Daytona like home and NASCAR birthplace of
Speaker 8: auto racing. The drum majors, I think it's seven of them,
Speaker 8: and it was the first female drum major a couple
Speaker 8: of years ago, so that was a big deal and
Speaker 8: she showed out. Now the band on the field, you know,
Speaker 8: they got this fast march that fam you is known for,
Speaker 8: and it's like a billion of them on the field.
Speaker 2: They're the marching one hundred. But that's a misnomber.
Speaker 8: It's literally like four hundred of them guys out on
Speaker 8: the field.
Speaker 2: But they're gonna play the contemporary music.
Speaker 8: That was watching a game on ESPN and they played
Speaker 8: leave the Door Open, Bruno Mars and Silk Sign.
Speaker 2: I saw this right, you saw that.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 8: At the end of their performance, they somehow in a
Speaker 8: formation formed.
Speaker 2: A stick figure with the basketball.
Speaker 8: Dunking it in a hoop. They did this on the
Speaker 8: field and you knew exactly what they were doing. It
Speaker 8: was the illess thing I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 8: With the marching band, do you.
Speaker 4: Remember Battle of the Bands? Of course, we used to
Speaker 4: go to Battle of the Bands and the bands to
Speaker 4: show up. I don't even feel like Drumline really captured it.
Speaker 4: It didn't quite get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was. They tried. It was intense, y'all.
Speaker 8: But they'll also play classics because they're not trying to
Speaker 8: forget the people who came back parents. They want to
Speaker 8: play music from your time too. So everybody's singing along.
Speaker 8: Everybody's standing. So at PWY homecomings or football games halftime,
Speaker 8: that's when you go use the bathroom, go eat, get third.
Speaker 2: So this is the truth.
Speaker 8: First quarter, Super Pack, everybody's in the stands because it's
Speaker 8: the beginning of the game. Then by halfway through the
Speaker 8: first quarter, the only people who staying are people who
Speaker 8: really care about the game. Everybody else is going below
Speaker 8: the stands to walk around in a stadium seeing people
Speaker 8: showing off your outfit. It's a day outfit and then
Speaker 8: you're gonna change clothes for to go out later on.
Speaker 8: But by halftime you have your butt in your seat
Speaker 8: and everybody standing. We call it corner the corner, like
Speaker 8: every corner of the stadium field, and it's beautiful because
Speaker 8: it's just a sea of black people all on one
Speaker 8: accord and the band's playing.
Speaker 2: We got a chant and it's Fam you, Fam.
Speaker 8: You, fam God thang you all right, all right, all right,
Speaker 8: everybody's just singing the songs they're hype. And then so
Speaker 8: if the band kills it right, they break it down.
Speaker 8: They just basically throw their instruments down and just start
Speaker 8: popping and dancing like then they pick up the instruments,
Speaker 8: they go off the field. But the last people off
Speaker 8: the field with the marching one hundred are the tuba players,
Speaker 8: and they.
Speaker 2: Form a line like a snake coming off the field.
Speaker 8: Literally all the two was jumping the air and d
Speaker 8: on the split at the end like Domino's. But the
Speaker 8: last tuber gets to show out and spin around and
Speaker 8: everybody's like hey, and it's the dopest thing. So when
Speaker 8: the tuba player goes up in the air and goes
Speaker 8: down into the split, the whole crowd goes oOoOO. Everybody
Speaker 8: says that in Unison, and this is one thing too.
Speaker 8: It I gotta tell you all about the hundred when
Speaker 8: they march off the field at the end of the
Speaker 8: day performance, they always play good.
Speaker 2: Times mmmmmmm mmm mmmmmm. So that's what they march off
Speaker 2: the field on. It's like everybody gets it.
Speaker 8: It's just the most special thing you've ever seen in
Speaker 8: your life, and it's nothing like it.
Speaker 2: I just love it.
Speaker 4: If you are not sad about missing homecoming after hearing
Speaker 4: X describe that you have no heart, You've never known you.
Speaker 2: Never have fun of your life. That's right, d you
Speaker 2: never ever ever, Oh my gosh, I love everything about it.
Speaker 4: So thinking about all of this stuff, all of this
Speaker 4: is part of the experience, and it makes me reflect
Speaker 4: on what it means to be a product of an HBCU.
Speaker 1: Yes, there's just a certain Jennesse Quah about people who
Speaker 1: have graduated from an HBCU. There's a certain confidence, a
Speaker 1: level of intelligence, just a swag about them that's just different.
Speaker 1: And so I want you guys to kind of just
Speaker 1: talk about some of the great people from your institutions
Speaker 1: or just from HBCUs in general that have been really
Speaker 1: impactful on your lives and just what that means to
Speaker 1: both of you to be the product of an HBCU.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's like a lineage that you're just so proud of,
Speaker 8: right Zee. Yeah, of course if they go to FAM,
Speaker 8: I'm super hype about that. But if they went to
Speaker 8: an HBCU and they making noise, I go crazy.
Speaker 2: Yes, clap it up for me.
Speaker 4: It really feels like the people who are in my
Speaker 4: class and the class above me. I am still in
Speaker 4: awe of my peers. Okay, yes, and TT knows some
Speaker 4: of my friends, and.
Speaker 1: I'm like, are killing the game?
Speaker 4: Doctors, lawyer, everybody's doing something, because now we're at the
Speaker 4: stage where you're starting to see people pivot and you're like, yo,
Speaker 4: I didn't know you could do that. My friend and
Speaker 4: her husband both went to Hampton Kia, who went to
Speaker 4: grad school with us.
Speaker 2: When they've built this.
Speaker 4: Huge real estate vacation rental home empire, I'm like, girl,
Speaker 4: when did you learn this interior design? Kea has a
Speaker 4: PhD in the sciences, Yes, anesthesiology, she said, no, sucception pain,
Speaker 4: and now she's telling real estate you're taking these places.
Speaker 4: I'm like, you're about to be competing with airbit. When
Speaker 4: I got to Atlanta, I asked one of my really
Speaker 4: close friends from high school. I said, who do I
Speaker 4: need to know in Atlanta and who should I be helping.
Speaker 4: He's like, this is my homeboy from more House. He's
Speaker 4: running for city council. Here's somebody else board of education.
Speaker 4: Like you feel so proud of these folks. I feel
Speaker 4: so excited to say I know them. They went to
Speaker 4: a HBCU and we should spend our dollars here right
Speaker 4: giving back to folks who are trying to make these
Speaker 4: things happen. How do you support the people who are
Speaker 4: out here trying to do it? And people are saying
Speaker 4: dope labs? So you got no dope labs, just off
Speaker 4: the strength that I went to a HBCU.
Speaker 2: Same with the get Up.
Speaker 8: We got a really big audience and the show's doing
Speaker 8: really great. But the fact that I get to be
Speaker 8: the current day representation of somebody who went to an HBCU,
Speaker 8: and it's just proud of that, and I bring those stories.
Speaker 2: Into the show. Dwayne, Wayne, thank you and you were
Speaker 2: on the show.
Speaker 8: T t YOUU been on the show, But like for
Speaker 8: us to be able to represent that I talk about
Speaker 8: my boy, Brian Price.
Speaker 2: I brag on him all the time.
Speaker 8: He's this dope marketing media exact in Lance, my college
Speaker 8: roommate from South Chicago.
Speaker 2: He built the parachute on the Mars Rover. He did
Speaker 2: the parachute. Call him right now. I have questions.
Speaker 8: I now have people who are like, yo, my kid
Speaker 8: wants to go to FAM. Literally today, I got a
Speaker 8: text and she texted me and was like, my seventeen
Speaker 8: year old niece listened to the get Up for the
Speaker 8: first time yesterday and loved it. She's looking at HBCUs
Speaker 8: fam use on her list. Can you come meet with
Speaker 8: us and talk to her about FAM. I was like,
Speaker 8: we're doing it next week. That's important. My friend's daughter,
Speaker 8: she's in the first semester at FAM. They stopped through
Speaker 8: Brooklyn on the way. I brought her two FAM hoodies,
Speaker 8: like top of the line exclusive joints here. Let me
Speaker 8: get you right and when I go down there, I'm
Speaker 8: taking you out to dinner. And I got kids that
Speaker 8: ask me, can you give me some FAM gear?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 2: I will. I'm telling you all. It touches me. It
Speaker 2: like makes me tear up every time. That's real.
Speaker 4: It just makes me think back my first year of
Speaker 4: grad school. I'm the grad school counsel for the summer
Speaker 4: program for students who are interested in science. So we're
Speaker 4: at Duke and I have a young man who went
Speaker 4: to Western Salem State. He is like, huh, deer in
Speaker 4: the headlights, what do I do?
Speaker 7: This?
Speaker 4: And that him and another young woman from Wiston Salem State,
Speaker 4: and to see them both become professors now in the science.
Speaker 4: He's a professor at Vanderbilt. She's a professor at Bowne State.
Speaker 4: Our family reunion used to have this saying, let the
Speaker 4: circle be unbroken, right, we just feeding into each other
Speaker 4: and let it expand.
Speaker 2: Right, T T get on in this circle.
Speaker 4: You're in here, you got your hand stresshirt, you in here,
Speaker 4: you and.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you very much. I'm gonna do my
Speaker 1: best to represent well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's looking out for the next generation, showing them
Speaker 4: it's good to be proud.
Speaker 2: We're just like you wear Nike. We're this like onebody
Speaker 2: ran those yell sweatshirts. Okay, and you can be a
Speaker 2: part of this.
Speaker 8: We're gonna pull you in, We're gonna tell you about it,
Speaker 8: and we're gonna make a way for you. To be
Speaker 8: able to do that is one of my greatest joys
Speaker 8: in my life right now.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: I really love this conversation. I love hearing about both
Speaker 1: of your experiences. I should have went to Hampton. Thank
Speaker 1: you both so much for sharing all of this. It's
Speaker 1: been heartwarming just to be able to sit back and
Speaker 1: just listen to you guys talk about.
Speaker 2: This my honor.
Speaker 8: Y'all know I've been a Day one Dope Labs fan listener.
Speaker 8: Yes you have, And I'm proud of what y'all doing. Really,
Speaker 8: I'm proud of how y'all represent for Black women and
Speaker 8: for your varied experiences. Because one thing I do talk
Speaker 8: about is I don't like if somebody that went to
Speaker 8: an HBCU tries to invalidate the experience of somebody that
Speaker 8: went to a PWI.
Speaker 2: All of these experiences are valid.
Speaker 8: So I'm glad that you have two dope women on
Speaker 8: this show that represent both sides and the commonality because
Speaker 8: there's merit and value and all of it.
Speaker 2: That's the beauty of our people. All right, tt, it's
Speaker 2: time for one thing.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. What's your one thing?
Speaker 4: Z Well, we kind of already talked about my one
Speaker 4: thing in the episode, and if you follow me on
Speaker 4: social media, I've shared it too. My one thing is
Speaker 4: Corinne DeMarco. This is a brand that produces HBCU apparel
Speaker 4: and I love their sweaters. That's where I got the
Speaker 4: sweater that t T talks about wearing and pretending that
Speaker 4: she was a Hampton alum. I am a big fan
Speaker 4: of this brand, So please go support this small brand
Speaker 4: that's putting out great HBCU gear.
Speaker 2: That's Coarenda Marco c O R I N D E
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Speaker 1: My one thing is Coarenda Marco Perfect.
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Speaker 4: thanks to today's guest expert, Xavier journ Again. You can
Speaker 4: find Xavier every weekday at seven am on Spotify's morning
Speaker 4: show The Get Up.
Speaker 1: Reading our credits today is an HBCU grad, one of
Speaker 1: Zakia's longtime besties and one of my new friends. Atlanta House.
Speaker 4: Yes, certified clown and a certified gooon.
Speaker 9: Hi, I'm Atlanta House and I'm a proud graduate of
Speaker 9: Hampton University an HBCU. I'm also a goon and a clown,
Speaker 9: as Ttenza Kia shared, but also a scholar.
Speaker 5: Two.
Speaker 9: You can find Dope Labs on Twitter and Instagram at
Speaker 9: Dope Labs podcast, tt Is on Twitter at Doctor Underscore
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Speaker 9: Rob Smurgiak, mixing by Hannes Brown. Original music composed and
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Speaker 9: producer Candice Manriquez, Wrenn and Corin Gillier. Special thanks to
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Speaker 9: teenage sons really stinky closet because it's the only quiet
Speaker 9: place in this whole house. Pray for moms. Thanks for
Speaker 9: having me.
Speaker 2: I love you both.
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