WEBVTT - Lab 051: BHM: HBCUs Edition 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:03.920 What at HBC means to me is friendship. So I 0:00:04.040 --> 0:00:07.360 met them in two thousand and three and what is 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:08.319 it twenty twenty one? 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:09.880 So lifelong friendships, that's what. 0:00:09.840 --> 0:00:10.280 It means to me. 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:14.040 Yes, And I think at HBCU is a nurturing environment 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:17.320 that puts US African Americans in a great spot, especially 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:20.360 as we go into our endeavors. Whatever your career may be, 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:22.200 it sets you up for success. 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:23.880 If you have anything, it's dope. 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:26.520 That's it. 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:28.840 How you guys doing. I am Timothy McDonald. 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:31.400 I am a senior chemical engineering major from Baltimore, Maryland, 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:32.840 and I have the pleasure of serving as a forty 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:34.159 fourth mister Howard University. 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:36.800 Being on campus is the pitting me of black excellence. 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:39.760 I would say, being surrounded by people not only of 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:42.760 black minds, but black minds who are willing to challenge you. 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:46.000 That's something that I had n't faced in high school. 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:48.360 I went to a majority white high school, right and 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:50.760 I just didn't have a lot of people that looked 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:52.559 like me. And once I came to Howard, I knew 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:53.640 that it was home. I knew that it was a 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:55.400 place I had to be for the next four years. 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:58.240 And even though we have been in a pandemic and 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:01.320 it's been hard. Now that we're back, it feels like, 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:05.640 you know, just an outpour of good times vibes and 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:07.000 just being around black people. 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:08.959 It's like a cookout, right, but all day, every day. 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:10.440 So that's something I really enjoy. 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:13.800 So our chant is something that you got to learn, 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:18.160 which is HU. You know, that's something you do maybe 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:21.920 a thousand times in the first week alone. So that 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:25.520 is something and it kind of transcends classes, right. You 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:28.160 can have alumni from ninety six all the way back 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:30.720 to sixty six and they're gonna know Hu, you know, right, 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:33.000 So it's that chance that we hold near and dear 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:33.440 to our heart. 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:35.760 Thank you so much, No problem, No problem. 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:39.400 I'm TT and I'm Zakiyah and from Spotify. 0:01:39.600 --> 0:02:03.919 This is Dope Labs. 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:09.239 Welcome to Dope Labs, a weekly podcast that makes this 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:12.519 hardcore science, pop culture and a healthy dose of friendship. 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:15.760 Okay, Zekia, I have a question for you. Shoot, what 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:21.200 do Spike Lee, Tony Morrison, W E. B. Dubois, Thurgood Marshall, 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:26.560 Jerry Rice, Felicia Rashade, and Debbie Allen all have in common. 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:30.600 Fantasy dinner, wishless. 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:35.639 Yes, but also they all went to historically black colleges 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:37.280 and universities. 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:41.880 So HBCUs yes, And that's right on time because it's 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:45.760 Black History Month and this week we're focusing on HBCUs. 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:49.760 We're covering everything from history to homecoming. We're delving right 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:53.360 into the HBCU experience. You know, HBCUs have been in 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:55.560 the news, they've been in the media. We've seen them 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:59.720 portray positively. We've seen students complaining about conditions at different 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:02.920 hb So remember in DC at Howard we saw some 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:08.280 folks protesting, yeah, about their housing conditions. Yes, and Howard 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:10.320 is not alone. A couple of other schools have seen 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:13.640 some similar things happening, some similar feedback from their students. 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:17.359 Then recently, just earlier this month, do you remember when 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:19.720 all the bomb threats were called into the. 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:23.480 Hbc My goodness, that was so scary. 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:24.520 Yeah. 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:27.280 So, you know, I feel like we're seeing positive things 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:30.959 but also negative things and outside influences. 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:32.280 Just so much going on. 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:35.160 But I think there's still a lot to celebrate about 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:36.520 the HBCU experience. 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:40.240 And Zakiya, I am really excited about this because you 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:41.560 went to an HBCU. 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:45.080 Yes, I am a graduate of Hampton University, and so 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:47.920 I can't wait to reminisce and talk about some of 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:49.240 my HBCU experience. 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:50.720 Those were some formative years. 0:03:51.280 --> 0:04:06.640 I cannot wait. Let's get into the recitation, all right, 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:08.360 So what do we know today? 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:11.040 There are just over one hundred HBCUs in the United 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:15.440 States and that equals about three percent of our colleges 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:19.120 and universities, both public and private. Many of our HBCUs 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:22.200 are located in the Southern States, and Alabama has the 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:25.360 most hbcused per state, with twelve total. 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:27.839 Another thing that we know is that HBCUs play a 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:31.920 huge part in education, and we are particularly focused on 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:36.039 STEM education and addressing inequalities in STEM education. 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:39.640 Yes, as a matter of fact, about twenty seven percent 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:43.840 of black undergrads got their STEM degrees from HBCUs, and 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:46.200 if you look at black doctors in the US, fifty 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:47.039 percent of them. 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:48.440 Are HBCU graduates. 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:52.640 Not to mention, in my field of engineering, forty six 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:56.799 percent of black women engineers graduated from HBCUs and thirty 0:04:56.800 --> 0:05:00.960 percent of black doctorates in science and engineering are from HBCUs. 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:05.400 You know, HBCUs have been underfunded for decades and we're 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:09.680 starting to see some lawsuits in cases where states are 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:12.240 having to pay up. So just last year, the governor 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:15.200 of Maryland, Hogan, signed a settlement for five hundred and 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:18.840 seventy seven million dollars to go to Maryland's HBCUs. What 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:22.679 they found is that the whole statewide system of education 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:27.839 for Maryland was disproportionately sending funds to primarily white institutions 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:31.400 and underfunding the for HBCUs under their care. So over 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:34.479 the next ten years they will disperse those funds back 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:35.240 to those schools. 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:40.440 The twenty five largest predominantly white institutions, their endowments are 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:45.839 greater than the endowments of all the HBCUs combined. So 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:48.320 what do we want to know? I know that there's 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:51.000 a lot that I want to know because I didn't 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:54.200 go to HBCU unfortunately, so I've got a lot of 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:56.200 questions because I feel like it'll help me know my 0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:57.599 friend even better. 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:01.680 Well, we're going to focus on a couple things, friendship 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:06.279 and camaraderie, mentorship and stewardship. How attended an hbc you 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:09.520 might affect your identity, so the black experience and different 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:11.239 perspectives and campus life. 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:12.800 And then we'll talk about how. 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:16.279 HBCUs have been portrayed in the media, but one component 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:19.000 of that that we have to touch is homecoming, which 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:22.800 is a celebration of coming together and being back on campus. 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:25.479 I know we said three things, but I couldn't stop. 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:31.480 I am very excited to dive in, So let's jump 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:32.240 into the dissection. 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:45.039 Today. 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:48.039 We are so excited to have our friend Xavier journ 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:50.520 again on the show. He's going to be talking to 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:55.160 us all about his HBCU experience, as well as Zakiah, 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:56.560 So we got two experts today. 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:01.800 I'm Xavier Journegan. 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:05.320 Everybody calls me x I'm the host of The Get Up, 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:09.680 Spotify's daily morning show, and I'm also an exec at Spotify. 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:14.400 And I'm a proud, proud Florida A and M University fam. 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:18.960 You rattler, I bleed arnging Green. Yes, I said it, 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:20.720 earne in Green. 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:23.680 Choosing a college, if you decide to go to college, 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:27.000 is a really big deal. Choosing the right college, choosing 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:30.040 a place where you know you'll feel comfortable to further 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:32.800 your education is a really big deal. And as you 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:35.480 can hear, we have someone who is very proud of 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:37.040 their institution on the show. 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:39.760 We asked X to tell us why he chose an 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:44.560 HBCU and where his beginnings of his love for HBCUs 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:45.560 kind of started. 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:48.760 My hometown, Daytona is an HBCU city, so I grew 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:51.240 up around it. My aunt and uncle worked there. My 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:54.040 cousin Zach was section leader at a drum line at Cookman. 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:57.960 My cousin Terry, his sister, went to cook me and 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:00.720 we always went to the homecoming parade. Zach will march 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:03.360 by me and my brother and show out in front 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:05.200 of us and wink at us, and then me and 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:06.520 my brother became drummers. 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:10.640 So it sounds like your hbc you experience started when 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:14.720 you were really, really young, very young. I've definitely heard 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:17.440 that with a lot of people that I know that 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:21.160 went to HBCUs. They were exposed to HBCU cultures young, and. 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:23.000 I do think that's a big part of it, like 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:25.160 your exposure to it. And I grew up on like 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:27.040 school days came out when I was a little kid, 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:29.920 and in a different world was like those are my 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:30.840 formative years. 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:32.560 Ex is making a really good point. Tt. 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:35.080 I feel like over the past couple of years there 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:38.320 has been so much HBCU exposure in the media. 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:39.120 Absolutely. 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:44.600 If you think back to Beyonce's Homecoming at Coachella, that performance. Yes, yes, 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:47.520 I've even recently seen litl nas. X did something it 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:50.920 wasn't HBCU centric, but it definitely gave me homecoming vibes. 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:54.920 Yeah, definitely drumline homecoming, you know, things like that. 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:58.120 So X talks about exposure in the media that kind 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:02.720 of drove his love for HBCUs as well, specifically School Days, 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:06.000 which was written, directed, and produced by Spike Lee, who 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:10.840 graduated from Morehouse and all male HBCU, and School Days 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:14.559 also gives a good view of, yes, the HBCU experience, 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:19.320 but in particular the Black Greek experience and tt. 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:20.240 You know a little bit about that. 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:24.120 Yes, the Divine Nine. It's made up of nine fraternities 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:27.439 and sororities, and I am a proud member of Alpha 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:29.000 Kapa Alpha Sorority Incorporated. 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:31.680 So like going up to the campus, me and my 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:33.720 mom and my brother would go up there and just 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:36.720 hang out in my aunt Helen's office or my uncle 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:39.600 James's office and just being in that environment. And then 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:41.640 my mom went to Cookman and a big part of 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:44.240 my story, y'all, So my mom had me and my 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:47.760 brother young. My mom was about to enter her freshman 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:51.120 year at Bathune Cookman at eighteen. She was pregnant with 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:53.240 my brother. I ain't come along in the next summer. 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:56.520 She still keeps going, but then it was too much, 0:09:57.000 --> 0:09:57.960 so she didn't finish. 0:09:58.000 --> 0:09:59.160 But all throughout. 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:01.440 Growing up, y'all, you will always say to me and 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:04.600 my brother, I'm going to go back one day. And 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:06.800 just a few years ago, my mom finally went back 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:10.720 to the Cookman University and she was able to finish 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:12.240 that degree, and then she went on and got her 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:17.120 master's because she's a g That's the HBCU experience. 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:20.480 And Zakia, listening to X, it really brings back memories 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:25.040 from stories that you've told me about your upbringing and 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:28.079 your experience at Hampton. Because you grew up in Greensboro, 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:29.679 so you were near an HBCU. 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:32.800 Yes, what ex is saying resonates so much with me 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:35.840 because I grew up in Greensboro and that's where North 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:38.880 Carolina A and T is and it's where Bennett College is, 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:43.079 which is a women's HBCU. It's a huge university town. 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:45.240 I was talking to somebody and I was saying, Hey, 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:47.440 I know you went to A and T. But would 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:48.840 it be strange for me to have an A and 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:50.600 T sweater? And they're like, you didn't go to A 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:53.800 and T. But I feel like A and T raised people. 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:54.160 Yep. 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:57.720 When I think about my trajectory, my path to science, 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:00.840 I always say it started with these Saturday academies for 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:03.640 math and science at North Carolina A and T. Yeah, 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:05.680 my mom was going back to school at A and 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:07.679 T while I was in middle school, and so Saturdays 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:09.559 I was going to these academies learning more math and 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:12.360 science and doing like the SAT and psat training. And 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:14.160 then by the time I got to high school, one 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:16.360 of my first summer jobs was working on A and 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:19.200 T's campus in the Ron McNair building, which was named 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:21.880 after Ron McNair, who was a black astronaut. And my 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:25.360 first exposure TT was in your lane in engineering. I 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:27.800 was doing some civil engineering stuff with the Army Research 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:29.400 Lab in North Carolina A and T. And that was 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:34.040 like my first hands on science internship that I was doing. Yes, 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:36.360 you know, TT, I feel like there's been a lot 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:39.400 of conversation about high school students and just people in 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:42.360 general when it comes time to deciding Okay, yes, I 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:44.240 am going to college. Do I want to go to 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:49.800 an HBCU or a predominantly white institution or IVY league. 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:52.240 You know, I feel like we've been seeing a trend 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:57.239 towards high profile students going to HBCUs exactly. 0:11:57.320 --> 0:12:01.040 Travis Hunter, he was a top college recruit for the 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:04.480 class of twenty twenty two for football, and he chose 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:09.040 to go to HBCU Jackson State University instead of Florida 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:12.080 State University. He switched his commitment and is now attending 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:12.800 Jackson State. 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:15.280 We talked to X about this a little bit too, 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:19.080 because that's not a new sentiment, you know, the concern 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:22.000 about what does it mean if you choose an HBCU 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:25.600 earlier in your career, and he's heard some different arguments 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:26.600 against it as well. 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:28.520 There is like this argument out there. 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:31.240 It's like, oh, don't go to an HBCU because that's 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:33.520 not the real world. But when do you get another 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:37.440 time to be around your true peer group, not just 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:41.480 age age and people with a similar experience from you, 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:46.760 like cultural experience for a five year period in my life. 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:50.520 And what that does is it removes at least on 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:54.560 that campus race. There is no Black student union, is 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:58.280 just the student Union because we're ninety percent black and 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:04.680 it's just this loving, welcoming space. It's truly the definition 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:07.160 of what a safe space is. It gives you this 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:09.760 confidence to know that you can go out in the 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:13.600 world after and truly know who you are. When we're 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:17.040 talking about HBCUs, we're talking about schools that were the 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:21.480 only schools that could and would educate Black folks when 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:25.160 they didn't want us at the other schools. For me 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:29.120 to choose to go there is just something really special 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:33.200 to me. The college experience was the black college experience, 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:35.320 and that's the only experience I wanted. So I only 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:38.839 applied to Howard FAM at the time, and I got 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:40.880 accepted to both. You know, my brother was at Howard 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:43.680 FAM had the five year NBA. I went to FAM. 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:45.960 It was that simple and it was the best choice 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:48.400 of my life. Never regretted it. Loved every day I 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:51.680 was that, even in bad days, was special. The bonds 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:54.640 you form they care like FAM's model was excellence with 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:58.120 caring and that's real. Like we're gonna push you to 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:00.840 be great, We're gonna care about but we're gonna hold 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:03.040 you accountable and if you mess it up, we're gonna 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:05.960 tell you so, I had, you know, a mom from home, 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:09.679 doctor harp from my heart like she helped me down. 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:12.559 Man, It's just a special, special experience. 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:21.280 I think we all can think back to, you know, 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:25.760 special people who guided us or kept us on the 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:29.600 right track as we were moving through our academic careers. 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:33.480 Yes, and I always love this story that you tell 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:34.640 about doctor White. 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:37.760 I met a woman. Her name was doctor Gladys Hope 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:39.520 Franklin White. She came to my high school and she 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:40.560 was like, Hey, I want to talk to people that 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:42.800 want to go to college. She wasn't an alumna of 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:45.200 Hampton University. If I told her what I wanted to do, 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:47.480 she said, have you taken to SAT I have these 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:49.480 Saturday classes. I mean it was very much a community 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:50.640 and nurturing kind of thing. 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:51.160 That's right. 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:53.080 I love that she said, come to my church. The 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:56.160 admissions officer will be here. You can apply in person, 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:57.560 you can tell your story, talk to them. 0:14:57.920 --> 0:14:58.480 Come on. 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:01.800 And I got a full ri that day to Hampton 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:04.280 when I went to meet with the admissions officer. 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:05.760 That's huge. 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:07.920 And I had no clue this woman was just helping me. 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:09.920 She helped all these other people she had helped my 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:13.960 friend Randy the year before, and when I actually went 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:17.960 to visit Hampton, I was like, Oh, Gladys Hope Franklin 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:19.840 White Hall, this is her dorm. 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:25.560 She earned that thought a lot of people in that dome. 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.720 This type of community shows up in different places. So 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:38.720 I was able to do admissions at a local church. 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:41.680 But this is no different from some of the offers 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:45.040 to interview applicants to Duke or to other schools that 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:46.040 we get as a lums. 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:46.240 Right. 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:49.840 Absolutely, absolutely, It's a story you hear in a lot 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:53.200 of different spaces. White folks do this all the time. Yes, 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:57.960 the good Old Boys Club exists, and what HBCU grids 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:02.160 and HBCU faculty and staff is just that giving people 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:05.240 opportunity and chances that they might not be aware about 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:07.440 or say, hey, I know somebody that you can talk to. 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:12.240 They're giving you additional resources that your white counterparts are getting. 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:13.440 We see it all the time. 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:23.720 It just feels so special to see these folks. You know, 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:26.280 have you ever met on any other traditional you know, 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:28.240 PWI campus. Have you ever met the person that the 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:30.520 dorm is named after. Have they ever come and recruited 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:34.400 you and your friends? No, and that type of love 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.280 and care. That is central to the hbc YOU experience, 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:39.720 and I think we try to do it across the board. 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:41.720 I've tried to bring TT into the HBCU folk. 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:44.280 Yeah. I have my Hampton sweatshirt that now I'm afraid 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:46.920 to wear because I wore it in the airport because 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:48.760 I was going to visit a Kia. It was for 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:50.880 her birthday. I was meeting up with her and all 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:54.600 of her friends from Hampton, QT from the arm everybody. 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:57.000 So I put on my Hampton sweatshirt and I was 0:16:57.040 --> 0:17:00.080 in the airport and beautiful black women comes up to 0:16:59.920 --> 0:17:03.080 me and she says, I like your sweatshirt. And I 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:09.200 said thank you. That wasn't the right answer. She knew 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:11.639 I was a fraud. She knew that I did not 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:14.919 go to Hampton, and I was mortified. I started sweating. 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:20.320 I was like, sweatshirt got so heavy, it felt like 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:22.359 a million pounds. In that moment, I was just like 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:23.640 someone helped me get this. 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:27.560 Off bullet proof vest on all of a sudden real 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:29.000 And that's what it is. 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:31.520 The HBCU experienced. People are holding you accountable. They're like, 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:33.480 do you belong in that Hampton shirt? Are you really 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:37.680 a Hamptonia, and there's so much nuance even from university 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:41.760 to university, and even when you get to a school, 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:46.520 tt little groups at that school. Absolutely, as we know, 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:49.200 black people are not a monolith, and there are lots 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:51.480 of different types of black folks. And you and Ex 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:55.280 told me about your experiences on your HBCU campuses, and 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:58.240 you're exposure to different Black upbringings and lifestyles. 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:02.280 Most of my friends growing up came from single parent homes. 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:05.000 I thought that was the norm because that was all 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:07.800 my friends I went to fam. I was in the 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:10.639 minority when it came to that. So my roommate Lands 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:13.320 he had both his parents in the house, My boy 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:18.159 Brian both parents, Alita both parents, Erica both parents, Comal 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:22.159 both parents. I got this other experience and I needed that, y'all. 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:24.679 I didn't know I needed it until I met a 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:27.919 whole bunch of people who had an opposite experience coming 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:29.080 from the black community. 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:30.320 SI, kid, what about you. 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:33.000 I can remember my first day coming on the campus 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:34.919 similar to you, Ex. You know, I just thought, my 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:38.399 experience is my experience. This is black folks in the South. 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:40.600 Virginia is still the South. 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:43.800 To me, right, It's true. My guy. 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:49.960 When I got there, I was like, who are all 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:53.840 these people dressing different? I always tell TT because T's 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:56.280 from PG County, and so I always tell her the 0:18:56.359 --> 0:19:00.199 Maryland and Baltimore people are ninjas. They have new It 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:03.440 was New Balances, it was Nike ACG boots. There were 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:07.480 all these little microcosms of blackness that I didn't even 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:13.160 know about. There were stratifications of class, socioeconomic status, exposure 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:16.840 to different things, things that were related to geography, language 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:19.720 difference that you could just pick up on and hear. 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:23.920 Exposure to music culture just so much. And I grew 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:27.840 to appreciate black culture in such a way that I 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:31.320 hadn't experienced and hadn't appreciated before. And so I was 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:33.680 meeting people for the first time from the Caribbean. One 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:36.040 of my closest friends my first year, she came in 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:39.600 and she was already married. That wasn'thard of to me. 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:40.520 Oh wow. 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:43.680 One of my other exposures from Hampton is everybody I 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:47.119 knew up until then what I considered to be middle 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:50.920 class or doing well. When I got to Hampton, I 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:55.760 met folks whose parents were in entertainment or show business 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:59.359 or were lawyers. And my parent is about to be 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:02.280 a judge how we do their campaign, Like things that 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:06.760 I was never exposed to people whose parents were doctors. 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:09.359 I didn't know anybody who was a doctor before that. 0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:12.199 Just meeting other people who looked like you and it 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:15.199 opened the world of possibility for me. 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:16.160 I totally agree. 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:18.439 You see somebody that looked like they could be your 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:22.240 uncle or your dad. That's big to see that at 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:25.240 like seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, twenty years old. 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:28.560 Right, So it contributes to the if you can see it, 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:31.840 you can be it mentality. So I've heard a lot 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:36.080 of things about life on campus at HBCUs, some things 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:41.119 like dress codes, curfews and things like that. I really 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:43.280 wanted to know more about that. 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:45.320 Hampton had a lot of rules our first year. We 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:47.879 couldn't have a car as a freshman. Yeah, it was 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:50.960 in by like nine or eleven or something like. You 0:20:50.960 --> 0:20:52.919 need to be in the dorm and we didn't have 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:55.679 co ed dorms. We didn't either, and we had a 0:20:55.720 --> 0:20:59.280 dorm mother or a father, somebody who stayed in the dorm. 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:02.080 And our dorm mother her name was mssus Charity and Titi. 0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:04.360 You remember, on my birthday, we recorded a video message 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:07.760 for my dorm mother, whom we all still keep in 0:21:07.800 --> 0:21:10.679 touch with all these years later. And so there was 0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:12.760 just this feeling of community and we got in trouble. 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:15.080 You would not appear as a Hampton University student on 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:17.600 the news. You would appear as a former Hampton University 0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:19.240 student and they would call it out wide five because 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:20.879 you would be stilled by five pm. 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:22.720 That's real. It was very strict, you know. 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:25.960 One of the things that fam The dorms were separating, 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:30.000 so if you went to visit a girl, you couldn't 0:21:30.040 --> 0:21:31.879 go past the lobby and when you stepped in the 0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:36.600 building you had to give an ID, sign in and 0:21:36.640 --> 0:21:37.160 be approved. 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:38.800 And all you could do was sit in. 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:41.359 The lobby and it was doors that would lock on 0:21:41.560 --> 0:21:42.959 either side of the lobby. 0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:47.040 Yeah, ain't no sneaky links, no sneaky links. It's real. Nah, 0:21:47.080 --> 0:21:48.000 it ain't going down. 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:51.000 And you see all these guys lined up on the 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:53.720 stairs like waiting for the girl they want to talk to. 0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:57.200 I just remember hearing stories about people sneaking people into 0:21:57.240 --> 0:21:59.080 the dorms. That's not happening with the girls dorm, but 0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:01.280 it was a way to do it. In Samson Hall 0:22:01.320 --> 0:22:03.400 where I stayed another stories for another day. 0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:12.359 Okay, so that's curfew. What about dress code? 0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:14.960 Talking about dress, Going to the School of Business and 0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:17.639 Industry SBI, there were certain dress that we had to 0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:20.800 wear for certain events. We had to wear a certain 0:22:21.200 --> 0:22:24.399 dress code on certain days. Blue suit for men, not 0:22:24.640 --> 0:22:29.080 black blue or power gray. It was teaching us how 0:22:29.119 --> 0:22:32.200 to be ready for the corporate world. And it'd be like, listen, 0:22:32.280 --> 0:22:33.800 you're going to get judged on the way you look. 0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:36.600 So do you want to get discriminated against because you 0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:40.040 don't know the proper dress and the proper etiquette in 0:22:40.080 --> 0:22:42.879 the business environment, because you already got certain things to 0:22:42.920 --> 0:22:44.240 deal with as black folks. 0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:45.560 But we're going to go in there and we're going 0:22:45.600 --> 0:22:47.040 to be dope. Absolutely. 0:22:47.240 --> 0:22:49.560 I remember receiving something in the mail that said you 0:22:49.600 --> 0:22:52.000 need to have a black pant or skirt suit, you 0:22:52.080 --> 0:22:55.600 need to have a white dress. That was for convocation. 0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:58.920 There's a building on campus called Ogden Hall, and there's 0:22:58.920 --> 0:23:01.159 a circle in front of it, and there's first of all, 0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:04.159 some superstition that you don't walk across the grass in 0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:08.679 Ogden Circle or you won't graduate on time. But the 0:23:08.680 --> 0:23:10.479 way they told us this is how you dressed when 0:23:10.480 --> 0:23:12.600 you come to Ogden Hall. This was like our auditorium. 0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:15.639 So when people were describing a tire for events, it 0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:17.320 would say, you wear your Ogden's Best. 0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:20.080 I like that to different things, right. 0:23:20.119 --> 0:23:21.639 I'm coming to my Ougden's vest. 0:23:22.119 --> 0:23:23.720 Yes, we knew when we were supposed to. 0:23:23.760 --> 0:23:26.919 Have on, and you just got used to dressing up. 0:23:26.960 --> 0:23:29.040 You got used to being comfortable in those clothes. If 0:23:29.040 --> 0:23:30.959 it's your turn to present in class, you're dressing up. 0:23:31.000 --> 0:23:32.600 You're not presenting in your jeans. 0:23:33.040 --> 0:23:33.600 Not happening. 0:23:33.920 --> 0:23:37.320 I presented them pajamas. What was wrong with me? 0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:37.840 You know? 0:23:38.880 --> 0:23:41.600 Why wouldn't you think these people are important people? Clearly 0:23:41.640 --> 0:23:43.920 they're professors. Why wouldn't you try and impress them? 0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:46.040 And you've seen this in person? TT Remember when we 0:23:46.080 --> 0:23:47.760 went to A and T and gave that to. 0:23:47.760 --> 0:23:51.920 Everyone was so impressive. Folks came in their Ogden's Best, okay, 0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:55.040 and they were ready. First of all, when folks would 0:23:55.080 --> 0:23:58.520 stand up, everyone knew the exact spill to give to 0:23:58.640 --> 0:24:01.960 introduce themselves. They would say their name, they would say 0:24:02.320 --> 0:24:04.879 what year they were, they would say where they were from, 0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:06.800 and then they would proceed with their question. 0:24:06.960 --> 0:24:07.360 That's right. 0:24:07.400 --> 0:24:10.800 We were taught that good afternoon I'm Xavier Journigan. I 0:24:10.920 --> 0:24:14.400 am a fourth year NBA student from Daytona Beach, Florida. 0:24:14.520 --> 0:24:16.639 Same thing we got taught that in SBI. I was 0:24:16.680 --> 0:24:19.320 like week one. Oh you know what else too, handshakes. 0:24:19.600 --> 0:24:21.439 We got taught how to do handshakes, look at each 0:24:21.480 --> 0:24:23.000 other in the eye, and then do that with the 0:24:23.080 --> 0:24:25.879 introduction as well. As a freshman, we had to go 0:24:25.960 --> 0:24:28.240 around with a notebook. It was called a nothing book, 0:24:28.640 --> 0:24:31.199 and you carried it around your first semester and you 0:24:31.200 --> 0:24:33.560 had to have upper classmen sign it. But you had 0:24:33.600 --> 0:24:36.360 to go up to them and give the proper introduction. 0:24:36.440 --> 0:24:38.480 They'll correct you if the handshake was wrong, like no, 0:24:38.560 --> 0:24:40.879 you do it like this, Okay, try it again, and 0:24:40.920 --> 0:24:42.960 once you got it right, then they would sign your 0:24:42.960 --> 0:24:45.240 nothing book. And you had to get three signatures the 0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:47.840 week for like the whole first semester, so you had 0:24:47.840 --> 0:24:50.280 to go up to professors to upper. 0:24:50.000 --> 0:24:52.600 Classmen, wow, until you got it down. 0:24:52.680 --> 0:24:54.439 We didn't have a book like that, but there was 0:24:54.480 --> 0:24:58.359 something very similar about this culture of each one teach 0:24:58.400 --> 0:25:02.200 one right. The upper classes look out and everybody had 0:25:02.280 --> 0:25:05.480 like big brothers and big sisters, like folks who looked 0:25:05.520 --> 0:25:07.439 out for you and your crew told you what you 0:25:07.480 --> 0:25:09.199 needed to be doing, like, these are the classes you 0:25:09.200 --> 0:25:11.080 should take, here's who you should talk to. 0:25:11.520 --> 0:25:11.960 That's right. 0:25:12.040 --> 0:25:14.560 There's a class where you learn all the presidents of 0:25:14.600 --> 0:25:17.359 the school before. If you had to learn that, we 0:25:17.440 --> 0:25:19.560 had to learn alma mater. We had to learn the 0:25:19.600 --> 0:25:23.280 Negro national anthem. We sung the Negro national anthem before. 0:25:23.760 --> 0:25:26.119 Every form and forum was like a big thing on 0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:30.240 Tuesdays and Thursdays where a big executive from a company, 0:25:30.280 --> 0:25:34.240 for example, Ken Chenault from AMX came down a bunch 0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:34.560 of people. 0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:35.800 This was every week. 0:25:35.960 --> 0:25:38.920 They'd give a speech and a student would introduce them, 0:25:38.960 --> 0:25:41.360 and then we'd had to ask questions for grades. So 0:25:41.400 --> 0:25:44.399 I go into corporate America, I had the confidence to 0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:45.720 ask CEO's questions. 0:25:46.119 --> 0:25:46.479 Yes. 0:25:46.560 --> 0:25:48.879 So we would have mock dinners and we would have 0:25:48.960 --> 0:25:53.080 receptions where different companies would come in that have relationships 0:25:53.080 --> 0:25:55.760 with FAM and SBI. We're going to know how to 0:25:55.800 --> 0:25:58.040 move in these rooms, and you're going to know how 0:25:58.080 --> 0:26:01.879 to dress and what proper to use when you're at dinner. 0:26:02.440 --> 0:26:05.080 That was so special and so important. So when you 0:26:05.119 --> 0:26:08.000 had your interviews and did your internships, you were really 0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:09.320 confident in there. 0:26:09.320 --> 0:26:10.960 And I carry a lot of that with me today. 0:26:11.040 --> 0:26:15.399 And there's also just so much culture around being the 0:26:15.440 --> 0:26:18.760 product of an HBCU, So like different songs you sing 0:26:19.119 --> 0:26:22.240 and poems to know just all kinds of stuff like that. 0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:25.840 You also get that education too, and it's so valuable, 0:26:25.960 --> 0:26:28.600 and I think we see more and more people appreciating 0:26:28.640 --> 0:26:30.959 that as they learned that that's part of the hbc 0:26:31.080 --> 0:26:34.000 YOU experience. We're gonna take a quick break, but we'll 0:26:34.000 --> 0:26:56.840 have much more with X when we get back. And 0:26:56.920 --> 0:26:59.359 we're back, let's jump into our deep dive with guest 0:26:59.400 --> 0:27:03.440 experts Xavier Journegan on HBCUs. So my next question is 0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:07.000 about HBCUs in the media. X. I know that you 0:27:07.280 --> 0:27:10.680 have mentioned school days and how important that was to you, 0:27:10.760 --> 0:27:12.879 and we also talked a little bit about a Different World, 0:27:13.280 --> 0:27:17.600 which I was absolutely fascinated by growing up and watching that. 0:27:17.680 --> 0:27:21.080 I binge watched a Different World again and it just 0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:24.280 gets better and better with age, and it really highlights 0:27:24.320 --> 0:27:26.480 another point that you and ze Key were making about 0:27:26.480 --> 0:27:28.119 the nuance of blackness. 0:27:28.440 --> 0:27:31.840 Do you feel like all of the different TV shows 0:27:31.880 --> 0:27:35.680 that are set at HBCUs are accurate in their depiction 0:27:35.920 --> 0:27:37.040 of HBCU culture. 0:27:37.359 --> 0:27:38.400 I was so fortunate. 0:27:38.440 --> 0:27:41.120 One of my favorite interviews so far that I've done 0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:44.359 on The Get Up is I got to sit down 0:27:44.560 --> 0:27:49.719 with Evatt Lee Bowser Goat. She created Living Single, the 0:27:49.760 --> 0:27:54.640 first black woman to create a network sitcom. Friends took 0:27:54.680 --> 0:27:58.119 that archetype. Sex and the City took that archetype. She 0:27:58.440 --> 0:28:01.520 was a writer and a producer on a Different World. 0:28:01.800 --> 0:28:04.880 I thought A Different World totally nailed it. I experienced 0:28:04.880 --> 0:28:07.879 that as a little kid. Then I went to FAM 0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:10.520 and then my appreciation for a Different World went on 0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:12.520 another level because it was just like. 0:28:12.640 --> 0:28:14.280 Yo, they really got that right. 0:28:14.400 --> 0:28:16.439 I heard that A Different World was based off of Hampton. 0:28:16.760 --> 0:28:17.440 Is that true? 0:28:17.880 --> 0:28:20.520 I think it was an amalgamation of a few schools. 0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:22.200 I think it was like, I know, it was Spelman's 0:28:22.200 --> 0:28:25.440 campus that they shot, like the exterior scenes like when 0:28:25.440 --> 0:28:29.119 they show a campus, but the fictitious school Hillman was 0:28:29.119 --> 0:28:31.879 actually in Virginias and they would go to DC sometimes. 0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:34.840 Yes, when I think about it, I feel like every 0:28:34.880 --> 0:28:37.520 show from our time really depicts it well. I feel 0:28:37.560 --> 0:28:39.360 like I have a friend that fits every one of 0:28:39.400 --> 0:28:43.160 those type yes of characters. And I think about shows 0:28:43.200 --> 0:28:45.640 like Martin where people are wearing HBC. 0:28:45.520 --> 0:28:47.920 Yes gear and stuff like living single as well. 0:28:48.080 --> 0:28:51.080 Living single, it feels like that people are still friends. 0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:53.000 You meet other people's friends from college or it's all 0:28:53.000 --> 0:28:57.600 this connectedness. So at Hampton, we had two cafeterias we 0:28:57.640 --> 0:28:59.560 did too, We did too. One was the big main 0:28:59.560 --> 0:29:01.800 cape and on the other side of the kitchen for 0:29:01.800 --> 0:29:04.680 that cafeteria was a smaller seating area that they called 0:29:04.680 --> 0:29:05.400 the Little Calf. 0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:06.800 Okay, so they're connected. 0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:09.240 They were connected, but they were only connected by the kitchen, 0:29:09.640 --> 0:29:11.400 so they had different entrances and stuff. 0:29:11.480 --> 0:29:11.720 Okay. 0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:15.480 And it's just so crazy to me that different HBCUs 0:29:15.520 --> 0:29:18.880 they find the smallest things to claim and represent. It's 0:29:18.880 --> 0:29:20.880 not just oh I went to this school. It's not 0:29:21.000 --> 0:29:23.240 just oh I was this kind of major. Oh I 0:29:23.360 --> 0:29:27.000 was in this dorm. It's also like, I'm team Little Calf. 0:29:27.120 --> 0:29:29.920 I saw Justin Tinsley who graduated from Hampton and he's 0:29:29.920 --> 0:29:34.000 a writer. He just did that great podcast with Nipsey Hustle. 0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:35.120 Yes the thirty for thirty. 0:29:35.240 --> 0:29:36.200 Yes, he was. 0:29:36.200 --> 0:29:38.959 Tweeting and he said team Little Calf, and he just 0:29:39.000 --> 0:29:41.960 brought back so many memories when I saw it, because me, I'm. 0:29:41.840 --> 0:29:42.600 Team Big Calf. 0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:46.400 Okay, then we're team Big Calf. Was there difference in 0:29:46.440 --> 0:29:46.800 the food. 0:29:46.920 --> 0:29:49.640 The vibes are totally different, Like one of them might 0:29:49.640 --> 0:29:52.680 have had a waffle station on Sundays, or they opened 0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:54.640 at different times, like the Big Calf opened at four pm. 0:29:54.720 --> 0:29:57.160 I was opening up with the people, I'm like, let 0:29:57.200 --> 0:29:59.480 me help you push these chairs in and get ready. 0:29:59.520 --> 0:30:04.400 I wanted right there. It was like clicks right. 0:30:04.440 --> 0:30:06.760 There were always these older people who were like, now, baby, 0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:08.400 you don't need to be eating this. You've been having 0:30:08.600 --> 0:30:10.760 corby pash every day. That's not good for you. All 0:30:10.840 --> 0:30:14.160 of this stuff it just felt so true to my 0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:18.760 singular experience and now realizing it's true across all these experiences. 0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:20.680 And really what I'm trying to say is that the 0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:24.280 portrayals of the HBCU experience that I see on television 0:30:24.560 --> 0:30:27.720 feel realistic to me because they capture some of this 0:30:27.880 --> 0:30:31.640 nuance even on a different world. The importance of mister Gaines, Yes. 0:30:31.880 --> 0:30:35.600 He was so important a pillar in that community, and 0:30:35.640 --> 0:30:39.240 that was very real. Mister Gaines was the cafeteria man. 0:30:39.440 --> 0:30:41.960 He was one of the cooks for the cafeteria. I 0:30:41.960 --> 0:30:43.920 think he was the head cook, and then some of 0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:46.000 the students would work for him and he gave really 0:30:46.000 --> 0:30:49.000 great advice. He was very funny and he was critical. 0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:51.920 And then you begin to realize that it's kind of 0:30:51.960 --> 0:30:55.840 true across all these different experiences, regardless of which HBCU 0:30:55.920 --> 0:30:58.880 you went to, it's like, hmmm, they really nailed it. 0:30:59.120 --> 0:31:03.000 Yes, there's this universal experience which bonds all of us 0:31:03.040 --> 0:31:06.280 that went to HBCUs. And you know, we'll say HBCU pride, 0:31:06.400 --> 0:31:08.040 we'll shout that out and we'll try to go to 0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:12.120 each other's homecomings. I remember when Howard and Fam played 0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:14.560 in DC. We took a trip up to DC, so 0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:16.680 I hung with my brother and then one time he 0:31:16.760 --> 0:31:19.200 came down and surprised me and hung with me and 0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:21.400 my friends at FAM, which was like one of my 0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:26.760 all time favorite memories. 0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:35.520 And just hearing X talk about going to other people's 0:31:35.760 --> 0:31:40.480 football games, that makes me think about homecoming and what 0:31:40.520 --> 0:31:43.760 we all know. I don't care where you went to school. 0:31:44.280 --> 0:31:50.960 You know that HBCU homecomings are different. Okay, they're built different. 0:31:51.320 --> 0:31:55.120 Okay, let's talk about it because it is something special 0:31:55.280 --> 0:31:58.840 to me. People care first and foremost we care about 0:31:58.840 --> 0:32:02.440 homecoming is staying in at PWIS. People don't really care 0:32:02.480 --> 0:32:03.880 about homecomanies's a regular game. 0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:06.440 I have literally never gone back to Home come in right. 0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:09.760 We make plans. Yeah, you're in advance, like you're going 0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:10.719 to home Kom. You're going home Kom. 0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:14.560 When the football schedule is released that day, we're booking rooms. 0:32:14.960 --> 0:32:17.360 It's like that serious. 0:32:17.040 --> 0:32:20.760 And man, just to be there on campus again with 0:32:20.880 --> 0:32:24.160 the outfits, all the FAM gear, because any FAM event, 0:32:24.200 --> 0:32:26.680 you're gonna have a seed of orange green. Ain't nobody 0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:28.680 got school pride like FAM. I'm telling y'all, you go 0:32:28.720 --> 0:32:31.400 and you actually go see your professors. You email them 0:32:31.440 --> 0:32:33.760 before you go down. Like doctor Harper, who I mentioned 0:32:33.800 --> 0:32:36.880 earlier she retired. I went and saw doctor Harper and 0:32:36.920 --> 0:32:41.120 we both were like tearing up sitting there talking like 0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:43.520 it's that special. How is it there? 0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:44.160 Zakia? 0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:46.800 I think back to five and six year olds Akida 0:32:47.040 --> 0:32:49.400 marching in the homecoming parade at A and T with 0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:52.680 my little things troop Okay. I think about tailgating on 0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:55.680 Sullivan Street and hanging out at my aunt's house down 0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:58.920 the street from the stadium. Hampton felt a little different 0:32:58.960 --> 0:33:01.440 for me right when I was there. I didn't care 0:33:01.480 --> 0:33:04.720 about the football team. I wasn't particularly in love with 0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:07.280 the homecoming experience at Hampton, which may be like taboo 0:33:07.360 --> 0:33:09.720 to say, because I was always going back to North 0:33:09.720 --> 0:33:13.480 Carolina for the homecoming experience at A and T right, 0:33:13.680 --> 0:33:16.080 which is known now is the greatest homecoming on Earth. 0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:21.920 That's the biggest marketing. 0:33:23.560 --> 0:33:27.480 Because it's it's it's it's a farce. Stop it, stop it, Aggie's. 0:33:37.640 --> 0:33:40.600 And so I went to the predominantly black high school 0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:43.400 in Greensboro, which is down the street from A and T, 0:33:43.480 --> 0:33:45.719 which they used to call Little Tea, where the marching 0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:48.480 band culture was really big. So the homecoming for high 0:33:48.520 --> 0:33:51.520 school would often be that Friday, and then it's A 0:33:51.600 --> 0:33:55.680 and T homecoming Saturday, right, So people would show up 0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:58.320 at my high school homecoming. The old heads would come 0:33:58.320 --> 0:34:00.640 back and they're trying to out cheer and out march 0:34:00.880 --> 0:34:04.080 the current high school students. And so for me, it's 0:34:04.080 --> 0:34:08.719 always been going back seeing my friends and family in Greensboro. 0:34:08.880 --> 0:34:10.200 I would bring my college. 0:34:09.840 --> 0:34:13.319 Friends with me from Hampton to come down and experience this. 0:34:13.440 --> 0:34:16.040 We would hang out all night on Friday. We would 0:34:16.080 --> 0:34:19.120 be coming into the house late, but at seven, my 0:34:19.120 --> 0:34:21.240 mom was coming and knocking on that door, like everybody 0:34:21.320 --> 0:34:24.040 ready to go to the parade. So y'all getting up 0:34:24.080 --> 0:34:27.640 to go early morning, early morning to the parade, and 0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:30.839 you're out there all day, tailgating, walking around. Who knows 0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:32.719 where you park your car, You're probably blocked in. You're 0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:34.520 going to be there all day. People are riding up 0:34:34.520 --> 0:34:37.200 and down High Point Road all these places near the campus, 0:34:37.360 --> 0:34:40.800 and you're just running into people tailgating. The smells, the sounds, 0:34:40.840 --> 0:34:43.560 generators going, people were selling those mix CDs. You can 0:34:43.600 --> 0:34:45.319 hear the game in the background. I never really went 0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:47.600 to the game, but I would always hear cheering. I mean, 0:34:47.600 --> 0:34:50.239 it's a roar because there are so many people and 0:34:50.440 --> 0:34:52.399 older folks coming back and asking you what you're doing 0:34:52.440 --> 0:34:54.200 with your life, how can they help. 0:34:54.000 --> 0:34:55.560 You, What do you want to do next. 0:34:55.680 --> 0:35:00.000 It is such a communal affair. Everybody there is rooting 0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:00.959 for everybody else. 0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:02.720 I totally agree. 0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:05.879 They used to have huge concerts Saturday night. 0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:07.120 Course, of course. 0:35:07.160 --> 0:35:07.719 I remember my. 0:35:07.680 --> 0:35:11.320 First homecoming concert I went to. It was Rough Riders. 0:35:11.400 --> 0:35:14.040 DMX was there, jay Z was there. It was a 0:35:14.080 --> 0:35:16.919 mart Knock Life tour coming through and hearing those things 0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:19.840 on the radio leading up to it. It is just excitement. 0:35:19.920 --> 0:35:21.760 It is celebration in this truest sense. 0:35:29.040 --> 0:35:30.800 So y'all have given us a little bit of background 0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:33.759 on the sites. But let's get into the sound of Homecoming. 0:35:34.360 --> 0:35:36.960 Tell me about the bands. 0:35:37.040 --> 0:35:40.080 Yeah, so you got the guys with the flags, so 0:35:40.120 --> 0:35:43.560 the flag core. They go hard, they throw them flags 0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:46.440 down and get to pop in Florida style because we 0:35:46.680 --> 0:35:49.239 grew up on booty Shake in the States. If he 0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:52.560 had mentioned the base, but bas culture and car culture 0:35:52.960 --> 0:35:56.440 is everything, especially Daytona like home and NASCAR birthplace of 0:35:56.520 --> 0:35:59.480 auto racing. The drum majors, I think it's seven of them, 0:35:59.600 --> 0:36:03.239 and it was the first female drum major a couple 0:36:03.280 --> 0:36:05.759 of years ago, so that was a big deal and 0:36:05.920 --> 0:36:10.799 she showed out. Now the band on the field, you know, 0:36:10.840 --> 0:36:13.480 they got this fast march that fam you is known for, 0:36:13.560 --> 0:36:15.000 and it's like a billion of them on the field. 0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:17.719 They're the marching one hundred. But that's a misnomber. 0:36:17.719 --> 0:36:20.239 It's literally like four hundred of them guys out on 0:36:20.280 --> 0:36:20.680 the field. 0:36:20.800 --> 0:36:23.040 But they're gonna play the contemporary music. 0:36:23.160 --> 0:36:26.000 That was watching a game on ESPN and they played 0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:28.839 leave the Door Open, Bruno Mars and Silk Sign. 0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:38.279 I saw this right, you saw that. 0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:38.800 Oh. 0:36:39.040 --> 0:36:42.200 At the end of their performance, they somehow in a 0:36:42.320 --> 0:36:44.000 formation formed. 0:36:43.680 --> 0:36:46.920 A stick figure with the basketball. 0:36:46.680 --> 0:36:50.120 Dunking it in a hoop. They did this on the 0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:52.080 field and you knew exactly what they were doing. It 0:36:52.160 --> 0:36:54.479 was the illess thing I've ever seen in my life. 0:36:54.760 --> 0:37:02.879 With the marching band, do you. 0:37:02.840 --> 0:37:05.200 Remember Battle of the Bands? Of course, we used to 0:37:05.239 --> 0:37:07.160 go to Battle of the Bands and the bands to 0:37:07.280 --> 0:37:09.680 show up. I don't even feel like Drumline really captured it. 0:37:09.719 --> 0:37:10.759 It didn't quite get it. 0:37:10.880 --> 0:37:15.720 Yeah it was. They tried. It was intense, y'all. 0:37:15.840 --> 0:37:18.480 But they'll also play classics because they're not trying to 0:37:18.480 --> 0:37:21.640 forget the people who came back parents. They want to 0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:24.799 play music from your time too. So everybody's singing along. 0:37:24.840 --> 0:37:29.800 Everybody's standing. So at PWY homecomings or football games halftime, 0:37:29.920 --> 0:37:33.600 that's when you go use the bathroom, go eat, get third. 0:37:33.880 --> 0:37:34.720 So this is the truth. 0:37:34.960 --> 0:37:37.920 First quarter, Super Pack, everybody's in the stands because it's 0:37:37.960 --> 0:37:40.920 the beginning of the game. Then by halfway through the 0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:42.719 first quarter, the only people who staying are people who 0:37:42.760 --> 0:37:45.280 really care about the game. Everybody else is going below 0:37:45.320 --> 0:37:48.960 the stands to walk around in a stadium seeing people 0:37:49.080 --> 0:37:51.239 showing off your outfit. It's a day outfit and then 0:37:51.239 --> 0:37:53.640 you're gonna change clothes for to go out later on. 0:37:54.200 --> 0:37:58.320 But by halftime you have your butt in your seat 0:37:58.600 --> 0:38:01.440 and everybody standing. We call it corner the corner, like 0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:04.359 every corner of the stadium field, and it's beautiful because 0:38:04.360 --> 0:38:07.000 it's just a sea of black people all on one 0:38:07.040 --> 0:38:08.839 accord and the band's playing. 0:38:08.680 --> 0:38:13.400 We got a chant and it's Fam you, Fam. 0:38:12.840 --> 0:38:16.600 You, fam God thang you all right, all right, all right, 0:38:16.880 --> 0:38:20.239 everybody's just singing the songs they're hype. And then so 0:38:20.280 --> 0:38:22.319 if the band kills it right, they break it down. 0:38:22.360 --> 0:38:24.920 They just basically throw their instruments down and just start 0:38:24.960 --> 0:38:28.719 popping and dancing like then they pick up the instruments, 0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:30.680 they go off the field. But the last people off 0:38:30.680 --> 0:38:34.640 the field with the marching one hundred are the tuba players, 0:38:34.920 --> 0:38:35.400 and they. 0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:38.160 Form a line like a snake coming off the field. 0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:40.560 Literally all the two was jumping the air and d 0:38:40.600 --> 0:38:43.640 on the split at the end like Domino's. But the 0:38:43.719 --> 0:38:45.840 last tuber gets to show out and spin around and 0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:48.879 everybody's like hey, and it's the dopest thing. So when 0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:51.120 the tuba player goes up in the air and goes 0:38:51.120 --> 0:38:54.799 down into the split, the whole crowd goes oOoOO. Everybody 0:38:54.840 --> 0:38:58.000 says that in Unison, and this is one thing too. 0:38:58.040 --> 0:38:59.680 It I gotta tell you all about the hundred when 0:38:59.680 --> 0:39:01.640 they march off the field at the end of the 0:39:01.680 --> 0:39:03.640 day performance, they always play good. 0:39:03.480 --> 0:39:20.839 Times mmmmmmm mmm mmmmmm. So that's what they march off 0:39:20.920 --> 0:39:23.320 the field on. It's like everybody gets it. 0:39:23.520 --> 0:39:26.120 It's just the most special thing you've ever seen in 0:39:26.200 --> 0:39:27.320 your life, and it's nothing like it. 0:39:27.680 --> 0:39:28.880 I just love it. 0:39:29.440 --> 0:39:32.680 If you are not sad about missing homecoming after hearing 0:39:32.840 --> 0:39:36.000 X describe that you have no heart, You've never known you. 0:39:39.840 --> 0:39:41.759 Never have fun of your life. That's right, d you 0:39:41.880 --> 0:39:45.680 never ever ever, Oh my gosh, I love everything about it. 0:39:53.320 --> 0:39:55.600 So thinking about all of this stuff, all of this 0:39:55.880 --> 0:39:59.160 is part of the experience, and it makes me reflect 0:39:59.280 --> 0:40:02.239 on what it means to be a product of an HBCU. 0:40:02.719 --> 0:40:07.640 Yes, there's just a certain Jennesse Quah about people who 0:40:07.719 --> 0:40:11.600 have graduated from an HBCU. There's a certain confidence, a 0:40:11.719 --> 0:40:16.080 level of intelligence, just a swag about them that's just different. 0:40:16.719 --> 0:40:18.719 And so I want you guys to kind of just 0:40:18.880 --> 0:40:22.520 talk about some of the great people from your institutions 0:40:22.600 --> 0:40:25.680 or just from HBCUs in general that have been really 0:40:25.680 --> 0:40:28.960 impactful on your lives and just what that means to 0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:32.200 both of you to be the product of an HBCU. 0:40:32.320 --> 0:40:34.680 Yeah, it's like a lineage that you're just so proud of, 0:40:34.840 --> 0:40:37.480 right Zee. Yeah, of course if they go to FAM, 0:40:37.600 --> 0:40:39.719 I'm super hype about that. But if they went to 0:40:39.800 --> 0:40:42.759 an HBCU and they making noise, I go crazy. 0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:52.160 Yes, clap it up for me. 0:40:52.800 --> 0:40:55.320 It really feels like the people who are in my 0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:58.320 class and the class above me. I am still in 0:40:58.560 --> 0:41:03.080 awe of my peers. Okay, yes, and TT knows some 0:41:03.200 --> 0:41:03.920 of my friends, and. 0:41:04.000 --> 0:41:06.239 I'm like, are killing the game? 0:41:06.480 --> 0:41:10.040 Doctors, lawyer, everybody's doing something, because now we're at the 0:41:10.080 --> 0:41:13.239 stage where you're starting to see people pivot and you're like, yo, 0:41:13.600 --> 0:41:16.200 I didn't know you could do that. My friend and 0:41:16.280 --> 0:41:18.440 her husband both went to Hampton Kia, who went to 0:41:18.560 --> 0:41:19.359 grad school with us. 0:41:19.600 --> 0:41:20.440 When they've built this. 0:41:20.680 --> 0:41:24.200 Huge real estate vacation rental home empire, I'm like, girl, 0:41:24.200 --> 0:41:26.520 when did you learn this interior design? Kea has a 0:41:26.600 --> 0:41:32.719 PhD in the sciences, Yes, anesthesiology, she said, no, sucception pain, 0:41:33.120 --> 0:41:35.840 and now she's telling real estate you're taking these places. 0:41:36.360 --> 0:41:40.399 I'm like, you're about to be competing with airbit. When 0:41:40.440 --> 0:41:42.799 I got to Atlanta, I asked one of my really 0:41:42.800 --> 0:41:44.400 close friends from high school. I said, who do I 0:41:44.520 --> 0:41:46.160 need to know in Atlanta and who should I be helping. 0:41:46.160 --> 0:41:48.279 He's like, this is my homeboy from more House. He's 0:41:48.360 --> 0:41:50.880 running for city council. Here's somebody else board of education. 0:41:51.000 --> 0:41:52.719 Like you feel so proud of these folks. I feel 0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:55.200 so excited to say I know them. They went to 0:41:55.239 --> 0:41:58.600 a HBCU and we should spend our dollars here right 0:41:58.840 --> 0:42:00.879 giving back to folks who are trying to make these 0:42:00.960 --> 0:42:03.600 things happen. How do you support the people who are 0:42:03.640 --> 0:42:06.040 out here trying to do it? And people are saying 0:42:06.800 --> 0:42:09.080 dope labs? So you got no dope labs, just off 0:42:09.120 --> 0:42:10.480 the strength that I went to a HBCU. 0:42:10.640 --> 0:42:11.360 Same with the get Up. 0:42:11.480 --> 0:42:13.399 We got a really big audience and the show's doing 0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:16.360 really great. But the fact that I get to be 0:42:17.360 --> 0:42:22.080 the current day representation of somebody who went to an HBCU, 0:42:22.239 --> 0:42:25.040 and it's just proud of that, and I bring those stories. 0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:28.719 Into the show. Dwayne, Wayne, thank you and you were 0:42:28.760 --> 0:42:29.160 on the show. 0:42:29.320 --> 0:42:31.320 T t YOUU been on the show, But like for 0:42:31.560 --> 0:42:34.319 us to be able to represent that I talk about 0:42:34.360 --> 0:42:35.280 my boy, Brian Price. 0:42:35.320 --> 0:42:37.319 I brag on him all the time. 0:42:37.440 --> 0:42:41.720 He's this dope marketing media exact in Lance, my college 0:42:41.800 --> 0:42:43.040 roommate from South Chicago. 0:42:43.520 --> 0:42:46.560 He built the parachute on the Mars Rover. He did 0:42:46.600 --> 0:42:49.760 the parachute. Call him right now. I have questions. 0:43:02.320 --> 0:43:04.640 I now have people who are like, yo, my kid 0:43:04.680 --> 0:43:08.000 wants to go to FAM. Literally today, I got a 0:43:08.120 --> 0:43:10.800 text and she texted me and was like, my seventeen 0:43:10.880 --> 0:43:12.719 year old niece listened to the get Up for the 0:43:12.719 --> 0:43:16.480 first time yesterday and loved it. She's looking at HBCUs 0:43:16.880 --> 0:43:19.480 fam use on her list. Can you come meet with 0:43:19.680 --> 0:43:22.200 us and talk to her about FAM. I was like, 0:43:22.239 --> 0:43:26.839 we're doing it next week. That's important. My friend's daughter, 0:43:27.080 --> 0:43:29.560 she's in the first semester at FAM. They stopped through 0:43:29.640 --> 0:43:33.080 Brooklyn on the way. I brought her two FAM hoodies, 0:43:33.160 --> 0:43:36.080 like top of the line exclusive joints here. Let me 0:43:36.160 --> 0:43:38.319 get you right and when I go down there, I'm 0:43:38.360 --> 0:43:40.360 taking you out to dinner. And I got kids that 0:43:40.520 --> 0:43:42.640 ask me, can you give me some FAM gear? 0:43:43.120 --> 0:43:43.279 Yes? 0:43:43.600 --> 0:43:45.200 I will. I'm telling you all. It touches me. It 0:43:45.320 --> 0:43:47.520 like makes me tear up every time. That's real. 0:43:47.880 --> 0:43:50.320 It just makes me think back my first year of 0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:52.719 grad school. I'm the grad school counsel for the summer 0:43:52.760 --> 0:43:55.040 program for students who are interested in science. So we're 0:43:55.040 --> 0:43:57.839 at Duke and I have a young man who went 0:43:58.000 --> 0:44:02.160 to Western Salem State. He is like, huh, deer in 0:44:02.200 --> 0:44:03.279 the headlights, what do I do? 0:44:03.480 --> 0:44:03.520 This? 0:44:03.640 --> 0:44:06.359 And that him and another young woman from Wiston Salem State, 0:44:06.600 --> 0:44:10.760 and to see them both become professors now in the science. 0:44:11.040 --> 0:44:14.040 He's a professor at Vanderbilt. She's a professor at Bowne State. 0:44:14.320 --> 0:44:16.320 Our family reunion used to have this saying, let the 0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:19.520 circle be unbroken, right, we just feeding into each other 0:44:19.840 --> 0:44:20.760 and let it expand. 0:44:20.960 --> 0:44:22.480 Right, T T get on in this circle. 0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:25.080 You're in here, you got your hand stresshirt, you in here, 0:44:25.200 --> 0:44:25.440 you and. 0:44:27.280 --> 0:44:29.279 Thank you, thank you very much. I'm gonna do my 0:44:29.360 --> 0:44:30.680 best to represent well. 0:44:31.000 --> 0:44:33.359 Yeah, it's looking out for the next generation, showing them 0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:34.360 it's good to be proud. 0:44:34.680 --> 0:44:37.000 We're just like you wear Nike. We're this like onebody 0:44:37.040 --> 0:44:39.520 ran those yell sweatshirts. Okay, and you can be a 0:44:39.600 --> 0:44:39.960 part of this. 0:44:40.280 --> 0:44:42.560 We're gonna pull you in, We're gonna tell you about it, 0:44:42.680 --> 0:44:44.360 and we're gonna make a way for you. To be 0:44:44.480 --> 0:44:46.760 able to do that is one of my greatest joys 0:44:46.800 --> 0:44:47.680 in my life right now. 0:44:47.960 --> 0:44:48.360 I love it. 0:44:48.520 --> 0:44:51.160 I really love this conversation. I love hearing about both 0:44:51.200 --> 0:44:55.279 of your experiences. I should have went to Hampton. Thank 0:44:55.360 --> 0:44:59.719 you both so much for sharing all of this. It's 0:44:59.760 --> 0:45:02.239 been heartwarming just to be able to sit back and 0:45:02.360 --> 0:45:03.920 just listen to you guys talk about. 0:45:03.640 --> 0:45:04.440 This my honor. 0:45:04.600 --> 0:45:08.760 Y'all know I've been a Day one Dope Labs fan listener. 0:45:09.000 --> 0:45:11.319 Yes you have, And I'm proud of what y'all doing. Really, 0:45:11.600 --> 0:45:14.440 I'm proud of how y'all represent for Black women and 0:45:14.840 --> 0:45:18.239 for your varied experiences. Because one thing I do talk 0:45:18.280 --> 0:45:21.400 about is I don't like if somebody that went to 0:45:21.480 --> 0:45:26.160 an HBCU tries to invalidate the experience of somebody that 0:45:26.280 --> 0:45:27.520 went to a PWI. 0:45:28.360 --> 0:45:30.160 All of these experiences are valid. 0:45:30.239 --> 0:45:33.920 So I'm glad that you have two dope women on 0:45:34.080 --> 0:45:37.760 this show that represent both sides and the commonality because 0:45:37.840 --> 0:45:40.520 there's merit and value and all of it. 0:45:40.640 --> 0:45:55.279 That's the beauty of our people. All right, tt, it's 0:45:55.320 --> 0:45:56.200 time for one thing. 0:45:56.680 --> 0:45:58.480 I'm so excited. What's your one thing? 0:45:58.600 --> 0:46:01.399 Z Well, we kind of already talked about my one 0:46:01.480 --> 0:46:03.920 thing in the episode, and if you follow me on 0:46:03.960 --> 0:46:06.960 social media, I've shared it too. My one thing is 0:46:07.360 --> 0:46:12.560 Corinne DeMarco. This is a brand that produces HBCU apparel 0:46:12.640 --> 0:46:14.719 and I love their sweaters. That's where I got the 0:46:14.760 --> 0:46:18.040 sweater that t T talks about wearing and pretending that 0:46:18.160 --> 0:46:21.319 she was a Hampton alum. I am a big fan 0:46:21.400 --> 0:46:24.399 of this brand, So please go support this small brand 0:46:24.480 --> 0:46:26.560 that's putting out great HBCU gear. 0:46:27.000 --> 0:46:30.080 That's Coarenda Marco c O R I N D E 0:46:30.520 --> 0:46:32.359 M A R c O dot com. 0:46:33.400 --> 0:46:36.200 My one thing is Coarenda Marco Perfect. 0:46:46.560 --> 0:46:48.839 That's it for Lap fifty one. What'd you think? 0:46:49.040 --> 0:46:51.799 Did you learn something new about HBCUs Call us at 0:46:51.800 --> 0:46:54.239 two O two five six seven seven zero two eight 0:46:54.280 --> 0:46:56.360 and tell us what you thought or if you have 0:46:56.440 --> 0:46:58.200 an idea for a lap we should do this semester, 0:46:58.600 --> 0:46:59.239 tell us that too. 0:46:59.480 --> 0:47:00.560 We really love hearing from you. 0:47:00.719 --> 0:47:03.520 That's two O two five six seven seven zero two eight. 0:47:03.640 --> 0:47:05.920 And don't forget there's so much more for you to 0:47:06.000 --> 0:47:08.480 dig into on our website. There'll be a cheat cheat 0:47:08.520 --> 0:47:11.360 there for today's lab and additional links and resources in 0:47:11.400 --> 0:47:14.080 the show notes. Plus you can sign up for our newsletter, 0:47:14.160 --> 0:47:17.640 so check it out at Dope labspodcast dot com. Special 0:47:17.680 --> 0:47:21.200 thanks to today's guest expert, Xavier journ Again. You can 0:47:21.280 --> 0:47:25.800 find Xavier every weekday at seven am on Spotify's morning 0:47:25.880 --> 0:47:27.040 show The Get Up. 0:47:27.400 --> 0:47:31.560 Reading our credits today is an HBCU grad, one of 0:47:31.760 --> 0:47:37.800 Zakia's longtime besties and one of my new friends. Atlanta House. 0:47:38.239 --> 0:47:40.719 Yes, certified clown and a certified gooon. 0:47:42.400 --> 0:47:45.640 Hi, I'm Atlanta House and I'm a proud graduate of 0:47:45.719 --> 0:47:49.680 Hampton University an HBCU. I'm also a goon and a clown, 0:47:49.800 --> 0:47:53.360 as Ttenza Kia shared, but also a scholar. 0:47:53.440 --> 0:47:53.600 Two. 0:47:54.040 --> 0:47:56.799 You can find Dope Labs on Twitter and Instagram at 0:47:56.880 --> 0:48:01.279 Dope Labs podcast, tt Is on Twitter at Doctor Underscore 0:48:01.480 --> 0:48:05.560 t Show, and you can find Zakia at Zi Setzo. 0:48:06.600 --> 0:48:10.359 Dope Labs is a Spotify original production from Mega Owned 0:48:10.480 --> 0:48:14.520 Media Group. Producers are Jenny Rattle at Mast and Lydia 0:48:14.600 --> 0:48:18.520 Smith of Wave Runner Studios. Editing in sound design by 0:48:18.640 --> 0:48:23.600 Rob Smurgiak, mixing by Hannes Brown. Original music composed and 0:48:23.680 --> 0:48:28.880 produced by Taka Yasuzawa and Alex Sugierra from Spotify Creative 0:48:28.920 --> 0:48:33.880 producer Candice Manriquez, Wrenn and Corin Gillier. Special thanks to 0:48:34.000 --> 0:48:39.920 Shirley Ramos yasmine A Fifi, Keimu, Elolia, Till krat Key 0:48:40.239 --> 0:48:44.279 and Brian Marquis. Executive producers from Mega Owned Media Group 0:48:44.360 --> 0:48:45.640 are t T Show. 0:48:45.560 --> 0:48:48.080 Dia and Zakiah Watley. 0:48:48.960 --> 0:48:51.480 And I'm sending all of this to you from my 0:48:51.680 --> 0:48:55.400 teenage sons really stinky closet because it's the only quiet 0:48:55.440 --> 0:49:00.680 place in this whole house. Pray for moms. Thanks for 0:49:00.800 --> 0:49:01.200 having me. 0:49:01.719 --> 0:49:02.640 I love you both. 0:49:03.440 --> 0:49:03.720 Bye.