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Speaker 5: Thank you so much, No problem, No problem.

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Speaker 4: I'm TT and I'm Zakiyah and from Spotify.

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Speaker 7: This is Dope Labs.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to Dope Labs, a weekly podcast that makes this

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Speaker 8: And what that does is it removes at least on

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Speaker 2: Man, It's just a special, special experience.

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Speaker 4: I think we all can think back to, you know,

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Speaker 1: Yes, and I always love this story that you tell

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Speaker 4: I met a woman. Her name was doctor Gladys Hope

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Speaker 4: was like, Hey, I want to talk to people that

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Speaker 4: want to go to college. She wasn't an alumna of

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Speaker 4: I love that she said, come to my church. The

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Speaker 4: you can tell your story, talk to them.

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Speaker 2: Come on.

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Speaker 4: And I got a full ri that day to Hampton

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Speaker 1: That's huge.

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Speaker 4: And I had no clue this woman was just helping me.

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Speaker 2: She earned that thought a lot of people in that dome.

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Speaker 4: This type of community shows up in different places. So

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Speaker 4: But this is no different from some of the offers

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely, It's a story you hear in a lot

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Speaker 1: the good Old Boys Club exists, and what HBCU grids

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Speaker 1: They're giving you additional resources that your white counterparts are getting.

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Speaker 1: We see it all the time.

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Speaker 4: It just feels so special to see these folks. You know,

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Speaker 4: I've tried to bring TT into the HBCU folk.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I have my Hampton sweatshirt that now I'm afraid

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Speaker 8: Off bullet proof vest on all of a sudden real

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Speaker 8: And that's what it is.

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Speaker 4: The HBCU experienced. People are holding you accountable. They're like,

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Speaker 4: do you belong in that Hampton shirt? Are you really

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Speaker 4: tt little groups at that school. Absolutely, as we know,

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Speaker 4: you're exposure to different Black upbringings and lifestyles.

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Speaker 8: Most of my friends growing up came from single parent homes.

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Speaker 8: I didn't know I needed it until I met a

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Speaker 2: SI, kid, what about you.

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Speaker 4: I can remember my first day coming on the campus

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Speaker 4: Virginia is still the South.

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Speaker 2: To me, right, It's true. My guy.

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Speaker 4: When I got there, I was like, who are all

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Speaker 4: One of my other exposures from Hampton is everybody I

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Speaker 4: I was never exposed to people whose parents were doctors.

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Speaker 4: Just meeting other people who looked like you and it

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Speaker 2: I totally agree.

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Speaker 8: You see somebody that looked like they could be your

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Speaker 1: Right, So it contributes to the if you can see it,

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Speaker 1: you can be it mentality. So I've heard a lot

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Speaker 1: like dress codes, curfews and things like that. I really

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Speaker 4: You would not appear as a Hampton University student on

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Speaker 2: That's real. It was very strict, you know.

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Speaker 8: One of the things that fam The dorms were separating,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, ain't no sneaky links, no sneaky links. It's real. Nah,

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Speaker 8: And you see all these guys lined up on the

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Speaker 8: I just remember hearing stories about people sneaking people into

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Speaker 4: Okay, so that's curfew. What about dress code?

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Speaker 8: Talking about dress, Going to the School of Business and

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Speaker 8: So do you want to get discriminated against because you

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Speaker 8: the business environment, because you already got certain things to

440
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Speaker 8: deal with as black folks.

441
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Speaker 2: But we're going to go in there and we're going

442
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 2: to be dope. Absolutely.

443
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Speaker 4: I remember receiving something in the mail that said you

444
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Speaker 4: need to have a black pant or skirt suit, you

445
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 4: need to have a white dress. That was for convocation.

446
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Speaker 4: There's a building on campus called Ogden Hall, and there's

447
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,159
Speaker 4: a circle in front of it, and there's first of all,

448
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,159
Speaker 4: some superstition that you don't walk across the grass in

449
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:08,679
Speaker 4: Ogden Circle or you won't graduate on time. But the

450
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,479
Speaker 4: way they told us this is how you dressed when

451
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 4: you come to Ogden Hall. This was like our auditorium.

452
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 4: So when people were describing a tire for events, it

453
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 4: would say, you wear your Ogden's Best.

454
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Speaker 2: I like that to different things, right.

455
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Speaker 1: I'm coming to my Ougden's vest.

456
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 2: Yes, we knew when we were supposed to.

457
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,919
Speaker 4: Have on, and you just got used to dressing up.

458
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 4: You got used to being comfortable in those clothes. If

459
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,959
Speaker 4: it's your turn to present in class, you're dressing up.

460
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Speaker 4: You're not presenting in your jeans.

461
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Speaker 5: Not happening.

462
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Speaker 1: I presented them pajamas. What was wrong with me?

463
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Speaker 2: You know?

464
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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you think these people are important people? Clearly

465
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Speaker 1: they're professors. Why wouldn't you try and impress them?

466
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Speaker 4: And you've seen this in person? TT Remember when we

467
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 4: went to A and T and gave that to.

468
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Speaker 1: Everyone was so impressive. Folks came in their Ogden's Best, okay,

469
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Speaker 1: and they were ready. First of all, when folks would

470
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 1: stand up, everyone knew the exact spill to give to

471
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Speaker 1: introduce themselves. They would say their name, they would say

472
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Speaker 1: what year they were, they would say where they were from,

473
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Speaker 1: and then they would proceed with their question.

474
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Speaker 2: That's right.

475
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Speaker 8: We were taught that good afternoon I'm Xavier Journigan. I

476
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Speaker 8: am a fourth year NBA student from Daytona Beach, Florida.

477
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Speaker 8: Same thing we got taught that in SBI. I was

478
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 8: like week one. Oh you know what else too, handshakes.

479
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 8: We got taught how to do handshakes, look at each

480
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 8: other in the eye, and then do that with the

481
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 8: introduction as well. As a freshman, we had to go

482
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Speaker 8: around with a notebook. It was called a nothing book,

483
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,199
Speaker 8: and you carried it around your first semester and you

484
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 8: had to have upper classmen sign it. But you had

485
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Speaker 8: to go up to them and give the proper introduction.

486
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Speaker 8: They'll correct you if the handshake was wrong, like no,

487
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 8: you do it like this, Okay, try it again, and

488
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 8: once you got it right, then they would sign your

489
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Speaker 8: nothing book. And you had to get three signatures the

490
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Speaker 8: week for like the whole first semester, so you had

491
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Speaker 8: to go up to professors to upper.

492
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Speaker 2: Classmen, wow, until you got it down.

493
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Speaker 4: We didn't have a book like that, but there was

494
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 4: something very similar about this culture of each one teach

495
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 4: one right. The upper classes look out and everybody had

496
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 4: like big brothers and big sisters, like folks who looked

497
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 4: out for you and your crew told you what you

498
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,199
Speaker 4: needed to be doing, like, these are the classes you

499
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 4: should take, here's who you should talk to.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

501
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 8: There's a class where you learn all the presidents of

502
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 8: the school before. If you had to learn that, we

503
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 8: had to learn alma mater. We had to learn the

504
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 8: Negro national anthem. We sung the Negro national anthem before.

505
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Speaker 8: Every form and forum was like a big thing on

506
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Speaker 8: Tuesdays and Thursdays where a big executive from a company,

507
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Speaker 8: for example, Ken Chenault from AMX came down a bunch

508
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 8: of people.

509
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Speaker 2: This was every week.

510
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Speaker 8: They'd give a speech and a student would introduce them,

511
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Speaker 8: and then we'd had to ask questions for grades. So

512
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 8: I go into corporate America, I had the confidence to

513
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Speaker 8: ask CEO's questions.

514
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Speaker 2: Yes.

515
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 8: So we would have mock dinners and we would have

516
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 8: receptions where different companies would come in that have relationships

517
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 8: with FAM and SBI. We're going to know how to

518
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 8: move in these rooms, and you're going to know how

519
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 8: to dress and what proper to use when you're at dinner.

520
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 8: That was so special and so important. So when you

521
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 8: had your interviews and did your internships, you were really

522
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 8: confident in there.

523
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Speaker 2: And I carry a lot of that with me today.

524
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Speaker 4: And there's also just so much culture around being the

525
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 4: product of an HBCU, So like different songs you sing

526
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 4: and poems to know just all kinds of stuff like that.

527
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 4: You also get that education too, and it's so valuable,

528
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 4: and I think we see more and more people appreciating

529
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,959
Speaker 4: that as they learned that that's part of the hbc

530
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Speaker 4: YOU experience. We're gonna take a quick break, but we'll

531
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Speaker 4: have much more with X when we get back. And

532
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Speaker 4: we're back, let's jump into our deep dive with guest

533
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 4: experts Xavier Journegan on HBCUs. So my next question is

534
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 4: about HBCUs in the media. X. I know that you

535
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 4: have mentioned school days and how important that was to you,

536
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 4: and we also talked a little bit about a Different World,

537
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 4: which I was absolutely fascinated by growing up and watching that.

538
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 4: I binge watched a Different World again and it just

539
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 4: gets better and better with age, and it really highlights

540
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 4: another point that you and ze Key were making about

541
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 4: the nuance of blackness.

542
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Speaker 1: Do you feel like all of the different TV shows

543
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: that are set at HBCUs are accurate in their depiction

544
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: of HBCU culture.

545
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 2: I was so fortunate.

546
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Speaker 8: One of my favorite interviews so far that I've done

547
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 8: on The Get Up is I got to sit down

548
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:49,719
Speaker 8: with Evatt Lee Bowser Goat. She created Living Single, the

549
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 8: first black woman to create a network sitcom. Friends took

550
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 8: that archetype. Sex and the City took that archetype. She

551
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 8: was a writer and a producer on a Different World.

552
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 8: I thought A Different World totally nailed it. I experienced

553
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 8: that as a little kid. Then I went to FAM

554
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 8: and then my appreciation for a Different World went on

555
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 8: another level because it was just like.

556
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Speaker 2: Yo, they really got that right.

557
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 1: I heard that A Different World was based off of Hampton.

558
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Speaker 1: Is that true?

559
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 8: I think it was an amalgamation of a few schools.

560
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 8: I think it was like, I know, it was Spelman's

561
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 8: campus that they shot, like the exterior scenes like when

562
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 8: they show a campus, but the fictitious school Hillman was

563
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 8: actually in Virginias and they would go to DC sometimes.

564
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Speaker 4: Yes, when I think about it, I feel like every

565
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 4: show from our time really depicts it well. I feel

566
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Speaker 4: like I have a friend that fits every one of

567
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 4: those type yes of characters. And I think about shows

568
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 4: like Martin where people are wearing HBC.

569
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 2: Yes gear and stuff like living single as well.

570
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 4: Living single, it feels like that people are still friends.

571
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 4: You meet other people's friends from college or it's all

572
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Speaker 4: this connectedness. So at Hampton, we had two cafeterias we

573
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 4: did too, We did too. One was the big main

574
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 4: cape and on the other side of the kitchen for

575
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 4: that cafeteria was a smaller seating area that they called

576
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Speaker 4: the Little Calf.

577
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Speaker 1: Okay, so they're connected.

578
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 4: They were connected, but they were only connected by the kitchen,

579
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Speaker 4: so they had different entrances and stuff.

580
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Speaker 1: Okay.

581
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Speaker 4: And it's just so crazy to me that different HBCUs

582
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 4: they find the smallest things to claim and represent. It's

583
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 4: not just oh I went to this school. It's not

584
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 4: just oh I was this kind of major. Oh I

585
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 4: was in this dorm. It's also like, I'm team Little Calf.

586
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 4: I saw Justin Tinsley who graduated from Hampton and he's

587
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 4: a writer. He just did that great podcast with Nipsey Hustle.

588
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: Yes the thirty for thirty.

589
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: Yes, he was.

590
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,959
Speaker 4: Tweeting and he said team Little Calf, and he just

591
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 4: brought back so many memories when I saw it, because me, I'm.

592
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 2: Team Big Calf.

593
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: Okay, then we're team Big Calf. Was there difference in

594
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: the food.

595
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 4: The vibes are totally different, Like one of them might

596
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 4: have had a waffle station on Sundays, or they opened

597
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 4: at different times, like the Big Calf opened at four pm.

598
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 4: I was opening up with the people, I'm like, let

599
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 4: me help you push these chairs in and get ready.

600
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Speaker 2: I wanted right there. It was like clicks right.

601
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Speaker 4: There were always these older people who were like, now, baby,

602
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 4: you don't need to be eating this. You've been having

603
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 4: corby pash every day. That's not good for you. All

604
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 4: of this stuff it just felt so true to my

605
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 4: singular experience and now realizing it's true across all these experiences.

606
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Speaker 4: And really what I'm trying to say is that the

607
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 4: portrayals of the HBCU experience that I see on television

608
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 4: feel realistic to me because they capture some of this

609
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 4: nuance even on a different world. The importance of mister Gaines, Yes.

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Speaker 1: He was so important a pillar in that community, and

611
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Speaker 1: that was very real. Mister Gaines was the cafeteria man.

612
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Speaker 1: He was one of the cooks for the cafeteria. I

613
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Speaker 1: think he was the head cook, and then some of

614
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: the students would work for him and he gave really

615
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: great advice. He was very funny and he was critical.

616
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Speaker 4: And then you begin to realize that it's kind of

617
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 4: true across all these different experiences, regardless of which HBCU

618
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 4: you went to, it's like, hmmm, they really nailed it.

619
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Speaker 8: Yes, there's this universal experience which bonds all of us

620
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 8: that went to HBCUs. And you know, we'll say HBCU pride,

621
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 8: we'll shout that out and we'll try to go to

622
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 8: each other's homecomings. I remember when Howard and Fam played

623
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 8: in DC. We took a trip up to DC, so

624
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 8: I hung with my brother and then one time he

625
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 8: came down and surprised me and hung with me and

626
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 8: my friends at FAM, which was like one of my

627
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 8: all time favorite memories.

628
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: And just hearing X talk about going to other people's

629
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: football games, that makes me think about homecoming and what

630
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: we all know. I don't care where you went to school.

631
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Speaker 1: You know that HBCU homecomings are different. Okay, they're built different.

632
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 8: Okay, let's talk about it because it is something special

633
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 8: to me. People care first and foremost we care about

634
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 8: homecoming is staying in at PWIS. People don't really care

635
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 8: about homecomanies's a regular game.

636
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: I have literally never gone back to Home come in right.

637
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 2: We make plans. Yeah, you're in advance, like you're going

638
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:10,719
Speaker 2: to home Kom. You're going home Kom.

639
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 8: When the football schedule is released that day, we're booking rooms.

640
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: It's like that serious.

641
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 8: And man, just to be there on campus again with

642
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 8: the outfits, all the FAM gear, because any FAM event,

643
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 8: you're gonna have a seed of orange green. Ain't nobody

644
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 8: got school pride like FAM. I'm telling y'all, you go

645
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 8: and you actually go see your professors. You email them

646
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 8: before you go down. Like doctor Harper, who I mentioned

647
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 8: earlier she retired. I went and saw doctor Harper and

648
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 8: we both were like tearing up sitting there talking like

649
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 8: it's that special. How is it there?

650
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 2: Zakia?

651
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 4: I think back to five and six year olds Akida

652
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 4: marching in the homecoming parade at A and T with

653
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 4: my little things troop Okay. I think about tailgating on

654
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 4: Sullivan Street and hanging out at my aunt's house down

655
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 4: the street from the stadium. Hampton felt a little different

656
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 4: for me right when I was there. I didn't care

657
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 4: about the football team. I wasn't particularly in love with

658
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 4: the homecoming experience at Hampton, which may be like taboo

659
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 4: to say, because I was always going back to North

660
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 4: Carolina for the homecoming experience at A and T right,

661
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 4: which is known now is the greatest homecoming on Earth.

662
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 8: That's the biggest marketing.

663
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 2: Because it's it's it's it's a farce. Stop it, stop it, Aggie's.

664
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 4: And so I went to the predominantly black high school

665
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 4: in Greensboro, which is down the street from A and T,

666
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,719
Speaker 4: which they used to call Little Tea, where the marching

667
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 4: band culture was really big. So the homecoming for high

668
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 4: school would often be that Friday, and then it's A

669
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 4: and T homecoming Saturday, right, So people would show up

670
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 4: at my high school homecoming. The old heads would come

671
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 4: back and they're trying to out cheer and out march

672
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 4: the current high school students. And so for me, it's

673
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 4: always been going back seeing my friends and family in Greensboro.

674
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 2: I would bring my college.

675
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 4: Friends with me from Hampton to come down and experience this.

676
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 4: We would hang out all night on Friday. We would

677
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 4: be coming into the house late, but at seven, my

678
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 4: mom was coming and knocking on that door, like everybody

679
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 4: ready to go to the parade. So y'all getting up

680
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 4: to go early morning, early morning to the parade, and

681
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 4: you're out there all day, tailgating, walking around. Who knows

682
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 4: where you park your car, You're probably blocked in. You're

683
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 4: going to be there all day. People are riding up

684
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 4: and down High Point Road all these places near the campus,

685
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 4: and you're just running into people tailgating. The smells, the sounds,

686
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 4: generators going, people were selling those mix CDs. You can

687
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 4: hear the game in the background. I never really went

688
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 4: to the game, but I would always hear cheering. I mean,

689
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 4: it's a roar because there are so many people and

690
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 4: older folks coming back and asking you what you're doing

691
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 4: with your life, how can they help.

692
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 2: You, What do you want to do next.

693
00:34:55,680 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 4: It is such a communal affair. Everybody there is rooting

694
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:00,959
Speaker 4: for everybody else.

695
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 2: I totally agree.

696
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 4: They used to have huge concerts Saturday night.

697
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 2: Course, of course.

698
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 5: I remember my.

699
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 4: First homecoming concert I went to. It was Rough Riders.

700
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 4: DMX was there, jay Z was there. It was a

701
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 4: mart Knock Life tour coming through and hearing those things

702
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 4: on the radio leading up to it. It is just excitement.

703
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 4: It is celebration in this truest sense.

704
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 1: So y'all have given us a little bit of background

705
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: on the sites. But let's get into the sound of Homecoming.

706
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: Tell me about the bands.

707
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, so you got the guys with the flags, so

708
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 8: the flag core. They go hard, they throw them flags

709
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 8: down and get to pop in Florida style because we

710
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 8: grew up on booty Shake in the States. If he

711
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 8: had mentioned the base, but bas culture and car culture

712
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 8: is everything, especially Daytona like home and NASCAR birthplace of

713
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 8: auto racing. The drum majors, I think it's seven of them,

714
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 8: and it was the first female drum major a couple

715
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 8: of years ago, so that was a big deal and

716
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 8: she showed out. Now the band on the field, you know,

717
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 8: they got this fast march that fam you is known for,

718
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 8: and it's like a billion of them on the field.

719
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 2: They're the marching one hundred. But that's a misnomber.

720
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 8: It's literally like four hundred of them guys out on

721
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 8: the field.

722
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: But they're gonna play the contemporary music.

723
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 8: That was watching a game on ESPN and they played

724
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 8: leave the Door Open, Bruno Mars and Silk Sign.

725
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 2: I saw this right, you saw that.

726
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 5: Oh.

727
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 8: At the end of their performance, they somehow in a

728
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 8: formation formed.

729
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 2: A stick figure with the basketball.

730
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 8: Dunking it in a hoop. They did this on the

731
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 8: field and you knew exactly what they were doing. It

732
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,479
Speaker 8: was the illess thing I've ever seen in my life.

733
00:36:54,760 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 8: With the marching band, do you.

734
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 4: Remember Battle of the Bands? Of course, we used to

735
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 4: go to Battle of the Bands and the bands to

736
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 4: show up. I don't even feel like Drumline really captured it.

737
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 4: It didn't quite get it.

738
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 2: Yeah it was. They tried. It was intense, y'all.

739
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 8: But they'll also play classics because they're not trying to

740
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 8: forget the people who came back parents. They want to

741
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 8: play music from your time too. So everybody's singing along.

742
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 8: Everybody's standing. So at PWY homecomings or football games halftime,

743
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 8: that's when you go use the bathroom, go eat, get third.

744
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:34,720
Speaker 2: So this is the truth.

745
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 8: First quarter, Super Pack, everybody's in the stands because it's

746
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 8: the beginning of the game. Then by halfway through the

747
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 8: first quarter, the only people who staying are people who

748
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 8: really care about the game. Everybody else is going below

749
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 8: the stands to walk around in a stadium seeing people

750
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 8: showing off your outfit. It's a day outfit and then

751
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 8: you're gonna change clothes for to go out later on.

752
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 8: But by halftime you have your butt in your seat

753
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 8: and everybody standing. We call it corner the corner, like

754
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 8: every corner of the stadium field, and it's beautiful because

755
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 8: it's just a sea of black people all on one

756
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 8: accord and the band's playing.

757
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 2: We got a chant and it's Fam you, Fam.

758
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 8: You, fam God thang you all right, all right, all right,

759
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 8: everybody's just singing the songs they're hype. And then so

760
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 8: if the band kills it right, they break it down.

761
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 8: They just basically throw their instruments down and just start

762
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 8: popping and dancing like then they pick up the instruments,

763
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 8: they go off the field. But the last people off

764
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 8: the field with the marching one hundred are the tuba players,

765
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 8: and they.

766
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 2: Form a line like a snake coming off the field.

767
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 8: Literally all the two was jumping the air and d

768
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 8: on the split at the end like Domino's. But the

769
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 8: last tuber gets to show out and spin around and

770
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 8: everybody's like hey, and it's the dopest thing. So when

771
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 8: the tuba player goes up in the air and goes

772
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 8: down into the split, the whole crowd goes oOoOO. Everybody

773
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 8: says that in Unison, and this is one thing too.

774
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 8: It I gotta tell you all about the hundred when

775
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 8: they march off the field at the end of the

776
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 8: day performance, they always play good.

777
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 2: Times mmmmmmm mmm mmmmmm. So that's what they march off

778
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 2: the field on. It's like everybody gets it.

779
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 8: It's just the most special thing you've ever seen in

780
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 8: your life, and it's nothing like it.

781
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 2: I just love it.

782
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 4: If you are not sad about missing homecoming after hearing

783
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 4: X describe that you have no heart, You've never known you.

784
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 2: Never have fun of your life. That's right, d you

785
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 2: never ever ever, Oh my gosh, I love everything about it.

786
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 4: So thinking about all of this stuff, all of this

787
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 4: is part of the experience, and it makes me reflect

788
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 4: on what it means to be a product of an HBCU.

789
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: Yes, there's just a certain Jennesse Quah about people who

790
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: have graduated from an HBCU. There's a certain confidence, a

791
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: level of intelligence, just a swag about them that's just different.

792
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: And so I want you guys to kind of just

793
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: talk about some of the great people from your institutions

794
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: or just from HBCUs in general that have been really

795
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: impactful on your lives and just what that means to

796
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: both of you to be the product of an HBCU.

797
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's like a lineage that you're just so proud of,

798
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 8: right Zee. Yeah, of course if they go to FAM,

799
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 8: I'm super hype about that. But if they went to

800
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 8: an HBCU and they making noise, I go crazy.

801
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: Yes, clap it up for me.

802
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 4: It really feels like the people who are in my

803
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 4: class and the class above me. I am still in

804
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 4: awe of my peers. Okay, yes, and TT knows some

805
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 4: of my friends, and.

806
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, are killing the game?

807
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 4: Doctors, lawyer, everybody's doing something, because now we're at the

808
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 4: stage where you're starting to see people pivot and you're like, yo,

809
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 4: I didn't know you could do that. My friend and

810
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 4: her husband both went to Hampton Kia, who went to

811
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 4: grad school with us.

812
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 2: When they've built this.

813
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 4: Huge real estate vacation rental home empire, I'm like, girl,

814
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 4: when did you learn this interior design? Kea has a

815
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 4: PhD in the sciences, Yes, anesthesiology, she said, no, sucception pain,

816
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 4: and now she's telling real estate you're taking these places.

817
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 4: I'm like, you're about to be competing with airbit. When

818
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 4: I got to Atlanta, I asked one of my really

819
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 4: close friends from high school. I said, who do I

820
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 4: need to know in Atlanta and who should I be helping.

821
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 4: He's like, this is my homeboy from more House. He's

822
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 4: running for city council. Here's somebody else board of education.

823
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 4: Like you feel so proud of these folks. I feel

824
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 4: so excited to say I know them. They went to

825
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 4: a HBCU and we should spend our dollars here right

826
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 4: giving back to folks who are trying to make these

827
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 4: things happen. How do you support the people who are

828
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 4: out here trying to do it? And people are saying

829
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 4: dope labs? So you got no dope labs, just off

830
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 4: the strength that I went to a HBCU.

831
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 2: Same with the get Up.

832
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 8: We got a really big audience and the show's doing

833
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 8: really great. But the fact that I get to be

834
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 8: the current day representation of somebody who went to an HBCU,

835
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 8: and it's just proud of that, and I bring those stories.

836
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 2: Into the show. Dwayne, Wayne, thank you and you were

837
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 2: on the show.

838
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 8: T t YOUU been on the show, But like for

839
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 8: us to be able to represent that I talk about

840
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:35,280
Speaker 8: my boy, Brian Price.

841
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 2: I brag on him all the time.

842
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 8: He's this dope marketing media exact in Lance, my college

843
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 8: roommate from South Chicago.

844
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 2: He built the parachute on the Mars Rover. He did

845
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 2: the parachute. Call him right now. I have questions.

846
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 8: I now have people who are like, yo, my kid

847
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 8: wants to go to FAM. Literally today, I got a

848
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 8: text and she texted me and was like, my seventeen

849
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 8: year old niece listened to the get Up for the

850
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 8: first time yesterday and loved it. She's looking at HBCUs

851
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 8: fam use on her list. Can you come meet with

852
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 8: us and talk to her about FAM. I was like,

853
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 8: we're doing it next week. That's important. My friend's daughter,

854
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 8: she's in the first semester at FAM. They stopped through

855
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 8: Brooklyn on the way. I brought her two FAM hoodies,

856
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 8: like top of the line exclusive joints here. Let me

857
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 8: get you right and when I go down there, I'm

858
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 8: taking you out to dinner. And I got kids that

859
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 8: ask me, can you give me some FAM gear?

860
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 6: Yes?

861
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 2: I will. I'm telling you all. It touches me. It

862
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 2: like makes me tear up every time. That's real.

863
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 4: It just makes me think back my first year of

864
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 4: grad school. I'm the grad school counsel for the summer

865
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 4: program for students who are interested in science. So we're

866
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 4: at Duke and I have a young man who went

867
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 4: to Western Salem State. He is like, huh, deer in

868
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 4: the headlights, what do I do?

869
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 7: This?

870
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 4: And that him and another young woman from Wiston Salem State,

871
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 4: and to see them both become professors now in the science.

872
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 4: He's a professor at Vanderbilt. She's a professor at Bowne State.

873
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 4: Our family reunion used to have this saying, let the

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Speaker 4: circle be unbroken, right, we just feeding into each other

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Speaker 4: and let it expand.

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Speaker 2: Right, T T get on in this circle.

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Speaker 4: You're in here, you got your hand stresshirt, you in here,

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Speaker 4: you and.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you very much. I'm gonna do my

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Speaker 1: best to represent well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's looking out for the next generation, showing them

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Speaker 4: it's good to be proud.

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Speaker 2: We're just like you wear Nike. We're this like onebody

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Speaker 2: ran those yell sweatshirts. Okay, and you can be a

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Speaker 2: part of this.

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Speaker 8: We're gonna pull you in, We're gonna tell you about it,

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Speaker 8: and we're gonna make a way for you. To be

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Speaker 8: able to do that is one of my greatest joys

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Speaker 8: in my life right now.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: I really love this conversation. I love hearing about both

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Speaker 1: of your experiences. I should have went to Hampton. Thank

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Speaker 1: you both so much for sharing all of this. It's

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Speaker 1: been heartwarming just to be able to sit back and

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Speaker 1: just listen to you guys talk about.

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Speaker 2: This my honor.

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Speaker 8: Y'all know I've been a Day one Dope Labs fan listener.

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Speaker 8: Yes you have, And I'm proud of what y'all doing. Really,

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Speaker 8: I'm proud of how y'all represent for Black women and

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Speaker 8: for your varied experiences. Because one thing I do talk

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Speaker 8: about is I don't like if somebody that went to

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Speaker 8: an HBCU tries to invalidate the experience of somebody that

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Speaker 8: went to a PWI.

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Speaker 2: All of these experiences are valid.

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Speaker 8: So I'm glad that you have two dope women on

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Speaker 8: this show that represent both sides and the commonality because

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Speaker 8: there's merit and value and all of it.

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Speaker 2: That's the beauty of our people. All right, tt, it's

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Speaker 2: time for one thing.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited. What's your one thing?

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Speaker 4: Z Well, we kind of already talked about my one

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Speaker 4: thing in the episode, and if you follow me on

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Speaker 4: social media, I've shared it too. My one thing is

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Speaker 4: Corinne DeMarco. This is a brand that produces HBCU apparel

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Speaker 4: and I love their sweaters. That's where I got the

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Speaker 4: sweater that t T talks about wearing and pretending that

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Speaker 4: she was a Hampton alum. I am a big fan

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Speaker 4: of this brand, So please go support this small brand

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Speaker 4: that's putting out great HBCU gear.

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Speaker 2: That's Coarenda Marco c O R I N D E

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Speaker 2: M A R c O dot com.

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Speaker 1: My one thing is Coarenda Marco Perfect.

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Speaker 2: That's it for Lap fifty one. What'd you think?

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Speaker 4: Did you learn something new about HBCUs Call us at

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Speaker 4: two O two five six seven seven zero two eight

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Speaker 4: and tell us what you thought or if you have

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Speaker 4: an idea for a lap we should do this semester,

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Speaker 4: tell us that too.

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Speaker 2: We really love hearing from you.

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Speaker 4: That's two O two five six seven seven zero two eight.

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Speaker 4: And don't forget there's so much more for you to

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Speaker 4: dig into on our website. There'll be a cheat cheat

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Speaker 4: there for today's lab and additional links and resources in

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Speaker 4: the show notes. Plus you can sign up for our newsletter,

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Speaker 4: so check it out at Dope labspodcast dot com. Special

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Speaker 4: thanks to today's guest expert, Xavier journ Again. You can

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Speaker 4: find Xavier every weekday at seven am on Spotify's morning

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Speaker 4: show The Get Up.

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Speaker 1: Reading our credits today is an HBCU grad, one of

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Speaker 1: Zakia's longtime besties and one of my new friends. Atlanta House.

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Speaker 4: Yes, certified clown and a certified gooon.

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Speaker 9: Hi, I'm Atlanta House and I'm a proud graduate of

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Speaker 9: Hampton University an HBCU. I'm also a goon and a clown,

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Speaker 9: as Ttenza Kia shared, but also a scholar.

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Speaker 5: Two.

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Speaker 9: You can find Dope Labs on Twitter and Instagram at

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Speaker 9: Dope Labs podcast, tt Is on Twitter at Doctor Underscore

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Speaker 9: t Show, and you can find Zakia at Zi Setzo.

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Speaker 9: Dope Labs is a Spotify original production from Mega Owned

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Speaker 9: Media Group. Producers are Jenny Rattle at Mast and Lydia

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Speaker 9: Smith of Wave Runner Studios. Editing in sound design by

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Speaker 9: Rob Smurgiak, mixing by Hannes Brown. Original music composed and

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Speaker 9: produced by Taka Yasuzawa and Alex Sugierra from Spotify Creative

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Speaker 9: producer Candice Manriquez, Wrenn and Corin Gillier. Special thanks to

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Speaker 9: Shirley Ramos yasmine A Fifi, Keimu, Elolia, Till krat Key

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Speaker 9: and Brian Marquis. Executive producers from Mega Owned Media Group

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Speaker 9: are t T Show.

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Speaker 2: Dia and Zakiah Watley.

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Speaker 9: And I'm sending all of this to you from my

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Speaker 9: teenage sons really stinky closet because it's the only quiet

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Speaker 9: place in this whole house. Pray for moms. Thanks for

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Speaker 9: having me.

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Speaker 2: I love you both.

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Speaker 7: Bye.