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Speaker 2: Look at us now, tip to tip. This is our life,

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Speaker 1: That's the spirit we bring to this show.

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Speaker 2: I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat. I'm forty three and I have allergies.

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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, it's Morning Combat. Hello, Hello, Hello, on this

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Speaker 1: twenty fourth day of May. Look at BC just making faces. Hey,

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Speaker 1: why don't you get a shorter haircut there, Lilith Fair,

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Speaker 1: Why don't you do that for us? In your orange Subaru?

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Speaker 1: Listening to Melissa Etherridge. I don't want to hear it

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Speaker 2: I don't want to hear I don't get down like that. Gee.

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Speaker 2: I tried to come to her window. I got denied. Luke, Okay, wait.

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Speaker 1: Well you were supposed to wait by the light of

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Speaker 1: the moon. That really is the issue there. Hi, everyone,

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Speaker 1: Welcome Morning Combat A Wednesday edition, episode four forty five.

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Speaker 1: Apparently here on the twenty fourth day of May twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three, Luke Thomas here from the Cape of Theos

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Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. That gentleman over there, he is, uh,

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Speaker 1: he's just pathetic in every way, but he's he's an

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Speaker 1: all right guy. It's Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: What's up, Luke, I got my summer haircut ready as

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Speaker 2: a motivating factor to look in the mirror every day

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Speaker 2: and remind myself that it's skinny faces in Luke. So

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Speaker 2: I've gotta I've got to adjust my diet to that.

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Speaker 2: And uh also only pipes dot com slash Brian Campbell

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Speaker 2: cameo on fire right now. So thank you to all

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Speaker 2: those donks for uh for supporting the cause. All right,

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Speaker 2: thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: What did you any birthday shoutouts? Or what was the deal?

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Speaker 2: There so many? Sometimes I'm just answering people's personal questions

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Speaker 2: about me. Sometimes I'm shouting out their mother and their father, Luke.

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Speaker 2: You know, hey, whatever it takes, Luke. All Right, everybody's

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Speaker 1: We all we all have scams. High. So what's on

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Speaker 1: the agenda today today is gonna be a little bit different.

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Speaker 1: We realize that it's a bit of a slow week

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Speaker 2: Should go out with it should go without saying, Luke,

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Speaker 2: but all you live chatters, if you could suspend the

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Speaker 2: traditional racism and misogyny which normally fills that cesspool, and uh,

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, look, it's gonna go more south than Luke

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Speaker 1: on three margaritas. It might. It might. I mean it

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Speaker 2: The whole point is, Luke, the more things change in

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Speaker 1: Yeah. With that in my mind, VC, that moves us

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Speaker 2: Okay, let me count to that though, because we are

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Speaker 1: Well in terms of what they owe for the debt

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Speaker 1: them into action, or for example, this lawsuit that they

432
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Speaker 1: have ongoing that itself produced for that period twenty seventeen

433
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Speaker 1: to twenty twenty two, some pretty significant changes to UFC

434
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 1: contracts for that window. A though way, as you indicated,

435
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,160
Speaker 1: we now know they have rolled back some of those

436
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Speaker 1: protections since then. So my answer to all of this

437
00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 1: is is in a world where they're making money, why

438
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,159
Speaker 1: aren't they sharing more of it. I don't think that

439
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 1: they feel like they have any reason where they have to.

440
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 1: Their money keeps going up more and more each year.

441
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:53,920
Speaker 1: There is a lot of question about this. There is

442
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 1: a lot of bad press, but it never really amounts

443
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 1: to any particular change. There is no lobbying effort in

444
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 1: Congress because because there's no bill introduced right now to

445
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 1: get the ALIAC exend into MMA, there's zero effort around unionization.

446
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 1: They've closed now avenues related to joining up to any

447
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 1: potential future class action lawsuit. They have now rolled back

448
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,359
Speaker 1: some protections that fighters had and getting out of their contracts.

449
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 1: Their contracts are for the at least the upper end,

450
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,440
Speaker 1: going to be very difficult to get out of. And again,

451
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Speaker 1: they might make it worth Sergey Pavlovitch's time to stay,

452
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Speaker 1: They might make it worth Almeta's time to stay. There

453
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Speaker 1: might be a few winners on that end, but the

454
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Speaker 1: overall picture is they don't do it because they don't

455
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 1: feel like it's important. I don't know how else to

456
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 1: say it. If they if they honestly felt it was

457
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 1: important for their business, we've seen them react. They're not reacting.

458
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Speaker 1: It must not be a priority.

459
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Speaker 2: Probably because their reaction is more intrusive to try to prevent. Like,

460
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 2: like I'm saying, why don't they do things for pr reasons?

461
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Speaker 2: Why don't they do things for morale reasons within their

462
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 2: own pool of fighters?

463
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Speaker 1: Because listen to a big chunk of fans and the

464
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Speaker 1: vast majority are are they not aware of these issues

465
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 1: or mostly don't care to the words It wouldn't really

466
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Speaker 1: affect their purchasing decisions. And let's just be honest, the

467
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 1: fighters are not. It looks like all evidence indicates that

468
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Speaker 1: they are not going to do anything to meaningfully improve

469
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Speaker 1: their situation. That's so that's the reality. Then here we are.

470
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Speaker 2: We always say Dana's reaction to fighter pay or this,

471
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Speaker 2: to these type of topics when he does get asked

472
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Speaker 2: in person, it's, you know, it's it's these weird responses,

473
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 2: like they eat what they kill. They're just fine, you know,

474
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 2: essentially leaning towards you know, I pay them more than

475
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 2: I announced secretly, and I want to keep it that way, right,

476
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 2: But I always say, the only way you're going to

477
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 2: make that, you know, changes by obviously coming together. And

478
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 2: Danta is almost outright telling you, go ahead, the moves

479
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 2: on you fighters, the balls in your court, do something.

480
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 2: But now it's like even with like I said, the

481
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 2: potential competition, a free agency, all the bad pr which

482
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Speaker 2: I know they don't care about, they're straight up like,

483
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 2: here's what I think they're ultimately saying. They know the

484
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Speaker 2: advantages that they've built again because the sport was dead,

485
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 2: and it's a credit to them for how much money

486
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 2: they were willing to commit to save it and all

487
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 2: the great decisions they've made across the way, but they've

488
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 2: been absurdly shrewd as business leaders, Luke, I mean, what

489
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 2: would is there like a a military or political term

490
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 2: that that sums up the amount of control and the

491
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 2: heavy handedness which with which they run this instead of

492
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 2: doing little things like I said, to fix pr or

493
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Speaker 2: to make fighters a little happier. So this isn't an issue.

494
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 2: They're straight up telling everyone we don't care. We know

495
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,919
Speaker 2: we have this built in advantage, and this built in

496
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 2: advantages what allowed us to have this much financial success,

497
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 2: and we are going to continue to make it harder

498
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 2: for the fighters so that at the end of the day,

499
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 2: it is on the fighters to do something. And we

500
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:51,719
Speaker 2: know they're not going to join up. We know if

501
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 2: a couple did, we would just freeze them out and

502
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 2: you know, throw a little bit more money on everybody

503
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 2: to come forward to try to cross the picket line

504
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,239
Speaker 2: prevent this. So it's like they're telling you straight up

505
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 2: their intentions, Loke. They're telling you straight up what really

506
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 2: matters to them. To me, even in an understanding of

507
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 2: corporate business, this is mind blowing to me. Maybe it's

508
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 2: because we're used to successful team sports in which the

509
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 2: athletes do have a say, they do have a union,

510
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 2: they do have a players association, they do have a

511
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 2: system in which they have managers or agents working for

512
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 2: them that are actively trying to create not conflict, but

513
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 2: disruption to fuel the fiduciary responsibility that they have in

514
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 2: their roles, to constantly help the athlete climb even more,

515
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 2: get more money, get more years, and all that. Damn

516
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,719
Speaker 2: it's tough on a UFC fighter right now when the

517
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 2: entire system, especially the manager relationship, is built upon being

518
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 2: more of a middleman to keep brass happy so that

519
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 2: they don't lose their jobs. There could not be more

520
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 2: things against the fighter right now. And it's almost as

521
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 2: if publicly UFC is saying, we don't care and it's

522
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 2: on you. We're going to continue to build up more

523
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 2: sandbags to prevent this eventual flood that they know is coming. Look,

524
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 2: they know that, I believe they know that in this

525
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 2: modern era they cannot keep this up forever. This is

526
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 2: considered even though UFC and the sport of MMA is

527
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 2: out of the Dark Ages. It is mainstream, It's on ESPN.

528
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 2: They want to keep this dark age's way of handling

529
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Speaker 2: fighters for as long as they possibly can.

530
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Speaker 1: Dude, I mean, just just yourself. Just do the math.

531
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Speaker 1: Just do the math.

532
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this. I want to ask you

533
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 2: this key question. Is that not good business? Is that

534
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 2: great business in the corporate life? Not a lot of

535
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 2: times you.

536
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: Talk about a lot of times you said it here too,

537
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: where like you talk about how shrewd the UFC was,

538
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to say that they haven't been shrewd. Please,

539
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 1: please don't walk away from today's show being like Luke

540
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: Thomas Hays. UFC's business practices over the last fifteen twenty

541
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: years have not been shrewed. They have been shrewed. They've

542
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 1: they've been they've been at times very effective promoters. They've

543
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 1: been at times, you know, they really were good. I remember,

544
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 1: you know, part of the reason why Danis called this

545
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: avuncular title of Uncle Daner was I remember when he

546
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: was really just like, I mean, hammering the boards in

547
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 1: terms of going to radio shows, sitting down with editorial boards,

548
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: going out in person, handing out tickets, doing everything that

549
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: they could to make a promoter or at least brand

550
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: fan connection. I think that's why they do still to

551
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: this day, have a special bond with the fans. And

552
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: I could go on much further than that. They've been

553
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: forward thinking in a lot of interesting and novel ways.

554
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: That is true, and you cannot take that from them.

555
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: But on the other side, they're dude people who are like,

556
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: don't have sympathy for the fighter. They're like the guy

557
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 1: or for their pay. They're like the guy who goes

558
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: to the casino and roots for the roots for the house.

559
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: Like that's who you are. Do They have structured these

560
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: deals with fighters to make it impossible for free market,

561
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: genuine free market competition actually happen.

562
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 2: I will not sue you, I will not be part

563
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 2: of a class action law right, and I'm going.

564
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: To extend your deal and extend your deal and extend

565
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: your deal, or hold you or matching rides or any

566
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: number of different tools possible to make the free flow

567
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 1: of talent which exists much more nimbly. Devin Haney finished

568
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: his three five deal. He's off to the next one, right,

569
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: and he played his situation, you know, uniquely well but

570
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: you get the idea of Canelo two fight deal, three

571
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: five deal. When you get to that level, you have

572
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: that kind of fluidity and what does that do? Devin

573
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: Haney spends a little bit of time under ESPN, a

574
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: little bit of time under his own, Maybe he goes

575
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: to Showtime. Who knows where he ends up going after

576
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 1: all this time, But you get the idea there's a

577
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,239
Speaker 1: free flow of talent that promoters then bid on these

578
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: services and it changes the equation in a dramatic way.

579
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: The UFC has, again, on top of all the very

580
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: commendable no bs they won situations, they've gone the extra mile,

581
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: so to speak, to make it very difficult for anyone

582
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:52,719
Speaker 1: in the space to do business. And again I'm going

583
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: to go back to that same consideration. There is basically,

584
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: in terms of the upper end of MMA, there is

585
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: one fucking promoter who's actually making money. And to that point, BC,

586
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: I wanted to say something. It was three eighty seven

587
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: and twenty twenty two. It's going to be over four

588
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: hundred million in twenty twenty three here coming up soon. BC.

589
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: They're not far away from half a billion dollars annually

590
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: in profit profit. I just want folks to know, what

591
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: is the excuse gonna be when they have take home

592
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: pay after all the expenses, all the athlete expenses, all

593
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: the live event expenses, all the running fight pass, all that,

594
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: you name it, everything is paid for, and they still

595
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: have five hundred million sitting there to take home. What

596
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: is the argument that not only could fighter pay meaningfully

597
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: go up, but that guy sitting out because they want

598
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: more aren't fair to do it? What would be the

599
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: fucking argument at that point?

600
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Speaker 2: That's why I say there's an unanswered question here. Is

601
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 2: it because all this money is owed to endeavor to

602
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 2: pay off their debts or not? Because Look, the question

603
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 2: I was trying to ask you before is ultimately you

604
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 2: said they're going heavy handed methods to you know, to

605
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: even further eliminate their own athletes rights. I mean, they're

606
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 2: publicly lobbying against their own athletes, you know, leverage and

607
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 2: ability to do that. So is that just great business?

608
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 2: It's cutthroat and heavy handed, but is that just great

609
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 2: corporate business? And we should all stand back and go, Look,

610
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 2: you know, they did the work to save this sport,

611
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 2: this brand, to make it work, and at the end

612
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 2: of the day, it's on the fighters, So media, shut

613
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: the frick up and let's get back to enjoying Saturday

614
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 2: night fights. Like, seriously, is this great business, Luke? Or

615
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 2: does morality not belong in corporate life? I'm asking, sincerely, get.

616
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: You get the world that you can create. But here's

617
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: what I would say, right, I mean you're asking, is

618
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: what the UFC is doing legal? Yeah? Like it's above board.

619
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess someone could try to challenge it

620
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: in court, but it would have to go through that process.

621
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: Doesn't seem like anyone's gonna do that, and nothing. What

622
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: they're doing is not within regulatory compliance. So can they

623
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: do it?

624
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 2: Sure?

625
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: Are they gonna get away with it? Yep? They already are,

626
00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: Like that's the situation. But that by itself doesn't prove

627
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: it shrewd and doesn't prove it valuable. And then the

628
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: question is you know, is it good business? Well, yeah,

629
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: it's good business for UFC. The question is is it

630
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,719
Speaker 1: good business for MMA? I want to point to something, So,

631
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: for example, there are certain states. This is a very

632
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: different example, and I'm just trying to point out and

633
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: make it very clear. There are certain states where people

634
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: try to spy on the agricultural practices of big meat

635
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: producers like Tysons and whatnot, and to show that there

636
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: are hold on, let me finish, to show that there

637
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: are animal abuses happening at scale, and not just that

638
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: water damage to the water systems in terms of pollution,

639
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: and any number of issues related to how farming is

640
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: supposed to look. And there's something called aggag laws where

641
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: various states have stopped people from reporting on what would

642
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: be considered crimes, but they make the act of discovery

643
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: of those things illegal. That's legal, that's above board, at

644
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: least in those states where that has been practiced. Is

645
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: it moral? Is it good for the business? Is it

646
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: good for the animals? Is it good for human society?

647
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: Are utterly different questions than whether or not it is

648
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: good for the major poultry producers of the world. So

649
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: to point out like is it good business for who?

650
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: For who? Is the question for UFC, Yes, great, it's

651
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: great for everyone else's I think it's a matter of debate.

652
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: Last thing on this BC, and we'll move along to

653
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: have more contentious issues.

654
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 2: Said, I got one more thing to talk about on

655
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: this when you're ready, Luke, OK, right, Well.

656
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: I just want to talk about the what share the

657
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: fighters are getting. Yeah, if I may so, I want

658
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: to be clear about something. This is an estimate. This

659
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: is an estimate. But here's where the estimation comes from.

660
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: They estimated total compensation for fighters in twenty twenty one

661
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: based on Endeavor CEO statement as follows. On a earnings call,

662
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: he said the following Lubin disclosed that fighter pay had

663
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: increased twenty six percent CAGR. For folks who don't know,

664
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: c AGR compound annual growth rate. Essentially, how much did

665
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: you make on an investment yearly for a certain amount

666
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: of time, right' that's what that's what that is a

667
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: cently measuring at that point. So in two thousand and

668
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: five it's gone up twenty six percent CGR. Okay, well,

669
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: they know what they made in fighter revenue in two

670
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: thousand and five it was four point three, so they

671
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: can just do the math. So for twenty twenty one,

672
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: it put them at one seven to eight point eight

673
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: million for the fighter cost that year. If that is accurate,

674
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: John Nash writes, then deducting thirty two point eight million,

675
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: because that's how much less their cost came relative to

676
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: last year. At this was in their filings. This is

677
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: where this math comes from. That would make athlete compensation

678
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two one hundred and forty six million,

679
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: or thirteen percent of total revenue. Now a lot of

680
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: that is explained by Connor McGregor not fighting, but even

681
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: that wouldn't be the fullest one. A lot of their

682
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: costs have been slashed on the other side of facilitating

683
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: this BC they're making up. We're getting to a point

684
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: where they're near half a billion dollars in profit with

685
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: thirteen percent annualized fighter costs off of the overall revenue.

686
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: It's I don't understand why this is a difficult conversation

687
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: for folks to have. The math makes it so clear

688
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: for you to understand that the industry is stacked against

689
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 1: the fighters. Oh, quite plainly.

690
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 2: I mean, seriously, dial in MMAI on YouTube and that's

691
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 2: MMA the letter. I watch that lengthy manager video and

692
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: see how backwards this system actually is. That the people

693
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 2: in place that are supposed to represent the fighters are

694
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 2: essentially working for the promoter. But that's a separate thing.

695
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 2: My final point or question is this loop we have

696
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 2: to ask ourselves, like, what's our responsibility to hear this news?

697
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 2: If you're a media member, and you've got a heart

698
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: and you care about these athletes that we interview and

699
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 2: criticize and praise all the time. I think you know

700
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 2: what we feel like. Our role is at the very

701
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 2: least to just bring it to the forefront. Whether you

702
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 2: the viewer have heard too much about Francis and this

703
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 2: stuff or not, that's our responsibility. If you're a fighter,

704
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: what's your responsibility. You either keep accepting it right in

705
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 2: signing because there's so much against you, or you figure

706
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: out what to do about it. But I want to

707
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 2: ask about the fan because look, if business was as

708
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 2: usual right now, meaning what do we always say about

709
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 2: the UFC, particularly in comparison with boxing. Dude, you get

710
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 2: what you pay for, you know what I mean? Like

711
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 2: you get great action. A lot of times, these early

712
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 2: prelims are great, right, Like, you get what you pay for.

713
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 2: They make the fights that you want to see. The

714
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 2: in arena experience, even though they're gouging up tickets, is

715
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 2: still incredible. You get what you pay for because they

716
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: have incredible control. But yet right now May twenty fourth,

717
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,479
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, we're talking about that they're fresh off

718
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: an absurdly record breaking year so I get to some fans,

719
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 2: it's sort of like, look, if the fighters aren't smart

720
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 2: enough to do something about it, then hey, BCNLT shut up.

721
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 2: I'm a consumer. I love my UFC. I'm getting what

722
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 2: I pay for. But Luke, right now, are they haven't

723
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 2: We just gone through three four months of unnaturally watered

724
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 2: down matchmaking per UFC's normal standards. So you're telling me,

725
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 2: coming off a record year, we have week to week

726
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 2: routine head scratching, max making discussions going wait, why are

727
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 2: you making Newness pain you three again? And it's a

728
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 2: pay per view main event? Why are you doing all

729
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: this across the board? You're making this record money. It's

730
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 2: a separate argument to say this record money should be

731
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 2: going to the fighters, But what about to the consumers

732
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 2: who are now getting, to some degree a water down

733
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 2: product to what they're used to. Yet ticket prices are

734
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 2: going through the roof. There's no slowdown on the amount

735
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 2: of events. And you can make an argument that because

736
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 2: of how successful the ESPN deal is, which we always

737
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 2: make that argument for UFC, that they're no longer in

738
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 2: the pay per view business. They're in the content you know,

739
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 2: fill what's asked of them business. To get that seven

740
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 2: hundred something million per year that you talked about. They

741
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 2: do feel asleep at the wheel right now. You and

742
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 2: I this morning went on UFC dot com the entire

743
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: front banner. The main story on the website that hits

744
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 2: you is a preview of Power Slap two. Then there's

745
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 2: a pop up ad that jumps out on the screen

746
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 2: that you have to X out of. That is what

747
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: an advertisement for Power Slap too. Then you go and

748
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: stop the show and go on the website right now.

749
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 2: Then you go down the page a little bit more

750
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 2: and there's like a new section. The first three of

751
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: four items there's a McGregor item and then there's three

752
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 2: items about Power Slap and below that is another Power

753
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 2: Slap advertisement. Luke, what do you say about the consumer

754
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 2: right now? Because it's one thing to be a media

755
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 2: member with a heavy heart, it's one thing to be

756
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 2: a fighter and go, yeah, you're right, we do deserve more.

757
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 2: Are the fans really getting served what they are owed

758
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 2: or used to? If there's you know whatever, that gray

759
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 2: area lays out there when we're talking about constant water

760
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 2: down matchups, head scratching decisions and oh, by the way,

761
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 2: they won't stop fucking shoving power. Slap down your your arsehole, Luke. Yeah,

762
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 2: what's going on to the consumer right now? Coming for

763
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 2: this record breaking year?

764
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think you're right right. It's one

765
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: thing to build a schedule based on what you have

766
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: and what you can make, which means sometimes it might

767
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: be booming and sometimes it might not be, but it

768
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 1: generally follows what the available talent is. The UFC's model

769
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: doesn't do that. The UFC's model says, we have trains

770
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: leaving the station at these times, we're gonna build them

771
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: for the various reasons the best we can, and then

772
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: they're just out. They're just gonna go because what they've

773
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: done is they've managed through their media rights stale. As

774
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: I mentioned eight hundred million in twenty twenty two, that

775
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: eight hundred million is contracted guaranteed revenue if they just

776
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: meet their quota for content. Now, of course, it's not

777
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: just all fight nights. Some of those have to be

778
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: pay per views blah blah blah. If you go to

779
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: certain parts of the world to get more money. You

780
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: get the idea. But it's just a content schedule. It's

781
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: just delivering content as much as possible in that space

782
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: and the questions of the fans being served well. On

783
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: the one hand, yes, right, I mean, like, some of

784
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 1: these cards are good, some of these fights are great.

785
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: They do have the overwhelming vast majority of the world's

786
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: best fighters, and so for that reason, they're gonna get

787
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 1: the vast majority of the attention. On top of it,

788
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: you know, fans don't really have a great alternative. One

789
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: gets pretty close because it's a little bit different, you know, PFL.

790
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: You might have a couple guys you like there, Belatore

791
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: definitely got some interesting things going, but none of those

792
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: are a genuine alternative. Again, none of them even make money.

793
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 1: None of them even fucking make money. The only one

794
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: that even makes money truly revenant or I should say

795
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 1: profit is the UFC. And so if you don't really

796
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 1: have an alternative and they've got most of the best stuff,

797
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: you're just gonna stick with what you have. I do

798
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: think though, that's a very short term way of looking

799
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: at it. Long term, long term, if they keep this

800
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: up where you see not what I'm saying, but you

801
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: just see the fan dissatisfaction in terms of the complaints

802
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: about the quality of the cards. If they keep that up,

803
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: over time, they will erode the fan base. That will

804
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 1: take some time. It's not immediate. But this is another

805
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: thing working against the fighters. Fighters be like, oh, well,

806
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: you know, the UFC is just kind of mailing it in.

807
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: Maybe there'll be a pushback and they want us, you know,

808
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: they'll pay us to do more fights, but that doesn't

809
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: really work that way. That could take a long time.

810
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: They don't have time to wait out that long. We're

811
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: talking like, you know, five to ten, fifteen years or

812
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: even something like that would be noticed. So I do

813
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: think that long term they could not keep getting away

814
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: with this and keep the same level of business. But

815
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: as long as they're on this model for now, where

816
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: they have deliver x amount of content, collect on contracted

817
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: guaranteed worldwide media righte revenues, it's just gonna be what

818
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: it's gonna They're too powerful, they have too much say

819
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: in the market for anything to upend it other than

820
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: undercutting their own connection with their fan base, and that

821
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: would take some time and some real decline.

822
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 2: They're willing to try it. Look, they're willing to try it.

823
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: We'll see how this plays out. This is why guys

824
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: like us are embracing the idea. I think of competition, right,

825
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: you want competition. You want to see you do for

826
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 2: many reasons.

827
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: You want to see competition, right, dude, you're just gonna

828
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: get more if. I mean, you know all these people

829
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: who are like supporting I've said it before, who like

830
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: to support UFC doing anything, not just like UDCE doing

831
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: good things, but like anything UFC does is by definition

832
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: good because UFC did it. It's very circular logic. These

833
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: are all the people who put in their bios that

834
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: they're free thinkers and shit like that. I mean, they're

835
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: the biggest lemmings on fucking earth, all of them. Every

836
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 1: one of them is the biggest lemmings. It's not about

837
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 1: hurting UFC. It's about what kind of industry are consumers

838
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: best served in. Show me the argument that they are

839
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: best served in a competent in a in a in

840
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: a marketplace where there is ineffective or basically non existent competition.

841
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: It's just fucking obviously not true. It's just not true.

842
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: So you know, I don't know what to say at

843
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: this point to convince people. I think it's important to

844
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: keep them abreast of these numbers, and so everyone knows it.

845
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: But it's just an absurd There's just no good argument

846
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: for the dodge other than I like what they're doing

847
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: and fuck everybody else as a consequence. You just have

848
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: to say that's what that's what Dana has said at

849
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: this point, like it's honestly, it's he's telling the truth,

850
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: Like it's what we're gonna do. Fuck off, like that's

851
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: what he said.

852
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: I love when people are like, oh, yeah, BC, I

853
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 2: don't see you complaining that that boxing card that was

854
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 2: on TV last week had two fighters off TV making

855
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 2: only seven thousand each for that for that fight. Okay, good, good, comeback.

856
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: You're right.

857
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 2: I should have I should have been I should have

858
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 2: been publicly parading against that. Yeah, that's a that's an

859
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 2: apples to apples comparison right there. Thank you very much.

860
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's ridiculous, all right. Topic number two BC, So

861
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 1: Dana White is now having a bit of a beef

862
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: with al Jamain Sterling. This is a situation where they

863
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: announced that Sterling was going to be headlining UFC two

864
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: ninety two in Boston in August opposite Sugar. That was

865
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: an almost I said for Shot Evans, Sugar, Sean O'Malley,

866
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: and then a few days after. By the way, I'm

867
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: so glad on this show, we gave people a a

868
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 1: what do you want to say? A warning, a disclaimer

869
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: that we don't know if these fights are signed or not.

870
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: You gotta wait to see they're independently verified. Sure enough,

871
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: turn out they were not independently signed. And so basically

872
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: al Jo has got a problem because he is being

873
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: kind of slammed by Dana. Now we have Dana responding

874
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: to al Job but al Joe, I'm not gonna read

875
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: all these quotes BC. But al Jo is pissed and

876
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: he gets to his podcast and he says, quote, you

877
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 1: put me in a situation and you make it sound

878
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: as if you want me to be the bad guy.

879
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: Tell me behind closed doors. I'll play the character, but

880
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: get me in on the joke. But not when you're

881
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: going to keep doing this stuff making me look like

882
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: a bitch. Nah, bro, you're not going to keep doing

883
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,439
Speaker 1: that to me. Dog, Get the f out of here, data,

884
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: Get get out of here with that. I've done everything

885
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: in the UFC has asked me to do. Two partially

886
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: torn biceps, went through two training camps like that, fought

887
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: through them, beat pyotr Yan, former champion beat TJ. Delashaw,

888
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 1: former champion, which we all know is a weird one,

889
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: but still it's not his fault. And then you got

890
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 1: Henry Suhuto, the greatest combat athlete of all time. I

891
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 1: beat this guy also with a partially torn bicep tendon.

892
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: I got stem cells. Every time they've asked me to

893
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: put on a fight, I put my nuts on the

894
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 1: table and I showed out every single time in one.

895
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: At what point do I get credit from the UFC

896
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: from Uncle Dana before you respond? Dana responded to that,

897
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: I believe on a fan sided podcast. I think we

898
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: have the video. Let's hit it.

899
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 3: I didn't give him enough credit. Well, first of all,

900
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 3: I didn't hear what he said.

901
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: Number one. Number two.

902
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 3: I'm not the one that set out the one out

903
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 3: and said if my body holds up when I'm promoting

904
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 3: a fight, if you're not healthy, don't take the fight.

905
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 3: We'll we'll have somebody else fight. We'll do somebody else

906
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 3: for the interim title. You know what I mean. Don't

907
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 3: say you're gonna go out and fight and then start

908
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 3: saying stuff like what's the first thing that happened? As

909
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 3: soon as I was at the press conference, I was asked,

910
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 3: is Al Jermaine Sterling really gonna fight or not? Is

911
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 3: that what you want? The fans thinking? How is that

912
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 3: me not giving him credit? I didn't say anything. That

913
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 3: was a Saturday afternoon. I was home working out mine

914
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 3: in my own business when my phone starts blowing up

915
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 3: and Henry Sujudo is calling me saying, I'll take the fight.

916
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 3: I'll take the fight. I'm like, why is all Joe out?

917
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 3: He's like, he's already make an excuse of saying that

918
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 3: his you know, if his body holds up and all

919
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 3: this sudden, just get me the fight. We'll fight for

920
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 3: the interim. Blah blah blah blah blah. Then I walk

921
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 3: into the press conference and one of the first questions

922
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 3: that's asked me is as Aljemaine still fighting? How am

923
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 3: I not giving him credit? Ridiculous?

924
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: B se How is he not giving him credit?

925
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 2: I mean probably because your default move in general is

926
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 2: to publicly shit on your fighters at every turn if

927
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: they're asking for too much money, if they're asking for anything.

928
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 2: I mean, look, does this feel similar or different to

929
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 2: Francis and Gano beating Stepe for the heavyweight championship? And

930
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 2: then saying, look, you know, I can come back in

931
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 2: four months. They're like, no, come back in three or

932
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 2: we're putting an interim title down, which is what they did.

933
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 2: Is there a scenario when you really break down the

934
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 2: details that we.

935
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 4: Know here where Al Joe could be criticized, maybe partially,

936
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 4: but at the whole point is you announced the fight

937
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,919
Speaker 4: purposely in a group of announcements on the same day

938
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 4: that Frantz has had his moment, you know, to obviously

939
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 4: jump on that and shut that down.

940
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 2: Why always? Why always? Why first of all, announced fights

941
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 2: that aren't fully signed, when your champion is telling you

942
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 2: that you know I'm banged up, I will fight. I'll

943
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 2: come back if I say I'm gonna fight, and you

944
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 2: know the extended quotes from Algo on this podcast, we're

945
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 2: essentially if I say I'm gonna fight, I'm gonna be there.

946
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 2: But why come out and and frame me this way?

947
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, Luke like shrewd business, then yes, But

948
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 2: to me, shrewd business takes place more behind the scenes.

949
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 2: Why is it constant public shitting on your own people?

950
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 2: Why when Aman the Newness is hospitalized as a bad weightcut,

951
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 2: are you instantly shitting on her, you know, ahead of

952
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 2: what was supposed to be that second chef Chenko fight,

953
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: saying she'll never headline for us again. Like why always

954
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 2: go to that? Shouldn't you be partnering with your athletes,

955
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 2: especially your champions, rather than you know, shitting on them

956
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: and then having an excuse of them not being marketable enough.

957
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 2: Why is this a repetitive pattern in this case, Luke,

958
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 2: I don't see enough here to put the blame on

959
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 2: Aljo and I like, by the way, this is why

960
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 2: this is newsworthy, not to continue some beef that we

961
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 2: have with Dana. I like that an active champion is

962
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,919
Speaker 2: stepping out and saying, look, enough is enough? Like why

963
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 2: do this? What does that even mean? I can't get

964
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 2: out of my own way? Like I just want another

965
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 2: big fighter, getst another big name, and I'm telling you

966
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 2: I'll be back when I'm healthy. Let's figure it out.

967
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 2: This is probably the most frustrating to me, because it's

968
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 2: one thing to have a built in financial structure where

969
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 2: there's limits to how much these fighters can actually get

970
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 2: paid based on the hurdles in front of them, But

971
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 2: then there's always that extra hurdle Dana getting in front

972
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 2: of the microphone, willingly devaluing his own champions by shitting

973
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 2: on them, and then suddenly it's a them against the

974
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 2: promotion thing where you're almost thinking the promotion is probably

975
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 2: hoping they lose so the next hungrier guy that gets

976
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 2: paid less can come in here and do exactly what

977
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 2: the promotion says. Is that a way of looking at this, Luke.

978
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: I don't think it's wrong. I just find the whole

979
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:13,280
Speaker 1: thing bizarre. It's like, let me see if I understand this. Okay,

980
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: he fought in early May, that's second quarter of this year.

981
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: You want him to fight in August that's third quarter

982
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: of this year? Is the argument? Now? Such as I

983
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: understand it, and if I got it wrong, please you know,

984
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: correct me. But if you're saying that, if you're he

985
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: doesn't fight in August, that they're gonna put an interim

986
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: title in rotation, which you know, I know fans say

987
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: doesn't mean anything, but the champs don't like it. It

988
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: does challenge their legitimacy because it puts pressure on them

989
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: to answer for it at a bare minimum, right, I

990
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: mean you could say that they're all invented, but in

991
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: these guys, you got to remember these fighters live and

992
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: die in their own minds, and like that one floating

993
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 1: in rotation, they can say it doesn't bother them one

994
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: hundred percent. It bothers them, and so all these things

995
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: are sort of designed. It seems to trip him up

996
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: or get him out of there. I mean, I can

997
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: only on that end. I don't know what's in Dana

998
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: White's heart or in his head. But if the argument

999
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: is an interim title should be introduced, if you can't

1000
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 1: fight once a quarter, then there's gonna be a lot

1001
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 1: of interim titles introduced to It just doesn't seem like

1002
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: they This is my guess. This is just my portion

1003
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: of the analysis. My guess is they don't really want

1004
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: him as champion and to trying to find a way

1005
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: to usher him out, and for whatever reason that could be.

1006
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: Everyone else can make their own judgment call. But if

1007
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: you're telling a guy who just defended his title, if

1008
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 1: he can't come back next quarter, that that's worthy of

1009
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: introducing another champion into that weight class, you have a

1010
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: serious problem with that guy. There can be really no

1011
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,760
Speaker 1: other argument. It's not like he's had other long pronounced

1012
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: bouts of times off he had the one when he

1013
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,760
Speaker 1: had the next surgery. But of course that's fucking next surgery,

1014
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: where some guys don't even come back from that, right,

1015
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:50,959
Speaker 1: That's how difficult that is a thing to get over.

1016
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: And he came back and has defended his title subsequently

1017
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: to that. So I just want to point out, you know,

1018
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: he fought two times in twenty twenty two. He is

1019
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: capable of fighting too, maybe even three times this year

1020
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: if he gets really lucky. But it's just so nakedly

1021
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: obvious that they have a problem with the guy by

1022
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: virtue of what timelines are introducing for an interim title

1023
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: in this particular context. So it's not.

1024
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 2: Would you ever see Roger Goodell come out and just

1025
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 2: trashing a fighter who is in discussion about a contract

1026
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 2: and a return. I know, the structure is different there.

1027
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 2: You have owners that ultimately report to Roger Goodell, and

1028
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 2: then you obviously have a player's associate on top of that,

1029
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 2: so it's a whole different model. But like I don't know,

1030
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 2: these fighters are a major part of your brand, but

1031
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 2: you constantly make them so disposable by trying to turn

1032
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 2: the general public against them by reframing and reshaping what

1033
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:45,919
Speaker 2: might actually be going on. That's why I always say, Luke,

1034
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 2: if they're shrewd business and man at the end of

1035
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 2: the day and behind the scenes the negotiation table, they're

1036
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 2: just cut throat, which they are. I mean, how many

1037
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 2: times do you hear the reputations of Joe Silva like

1038
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 2: they are. That's one thing, but you've already got every

1039
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 2: possible built in advantage, and on top of that you

1040
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 2: double and triple down by constantly shitting on your own people.

1041
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 2: I just again question how this is normal practice and

1042
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 2: or good for business. You know, all it does is

1043
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 2: label certain champions Tyron Woodley Francis now John Jones. At

1044
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 2: times it just sort of labels them to the public

1045
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 2: as you know, not being team players, or being weak,

1046
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 2: or being difficult to deal with, and also.

1047
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: Like layabouts, you know, just lazy guys.

1048
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 2: Do you know who's difficult to deal with at every turn?

1049
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 2: You Danta White, Hunter Campbell in the UFC, Like, how

1050
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 2: much more uphill does the battle have to be for

1051
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 2: the fighters at this point? That's really it, Luke, That's

1052
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 2: really it, you know.

1053
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:43,919
Speaker 1: I honestly like it just looks to me, and again

1054
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: I don't know this. I don't have a chance to

1055
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: have ever interview these guys. But it looks to me

1056
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: like what they're trying to do is create a core

1057
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: business of people in different tiers, like core business in

1058
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,280
Speaker 1: terms of ESPN, core business in terms of who buys

1059
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: pay per view, where they're just set to expect to

1060
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: buy the next one, like just get the next one,

1061
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: the next one, the next one, the next one, and

1062
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: we'll just substitute in the pieces they're in. And that's

1063
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: good for them because that creates the fan attachment to

1064
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: the brand rather than the fan attachment to the individual fighters.

1065
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 1: As it's reflected in brand events. They're very very different relationships.

1066
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: They're trying to foster them, that one versus the other,

1067
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: and that's been that's been a long time thing. But

1068
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: now they've got a business model to really put that

1069
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: into effect in a very dramatic way. Again, it's do

1070
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: the trains leave the station on time? That's the most

1071
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: important question for them, and as a consequence, that's why

1072
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: you get these kinds of responses. So there you go,

1073
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: wi wild all right, b see, but this one's not

1074
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: a full topic. It's kind of a top quick one. Here.

1075
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: I'll let you set this up. So Don Davis is

1076
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: a PFL founder, he still an executive. He had an

1077
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 1: interesting tweet in response to Dana White. Let's show it

1078
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: if we can to react to it.

1079
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, go for Okay, So here's the deal we all know.

1080
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 2: We all know that Saturday night, Dana White was asked

1081
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 2: about the Francis situation, and that led to him saying,

1082
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 2: I'm not shitting on PFL. They've been They've said good

1083
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 2: things about me, but the deal doesn't make sense. And

1084
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 2: he went on to break down at length why this

1085
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 2: is a bad deal for PFL, which, by the way,

1086
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,760
Speaker 2: that part of it is a fair statement or debate.

1087
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 2: Let's go back to that tweet to see what Don

1088
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 2: Davis's response was that you just saw if you don't

1089
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 2: mind Mikey, and Don Davis says, quote, Netflix is not

1090
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 2: even on our radar screen in terms of competition, quoting

1091
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 2: a Blockbuster CEO back in two thousand and eight, and

1092
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 2: then Don runs the quote from UFC president in twenty

1093
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 2: twenty three, what PFL is doing makes no sense to me.

1094
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 2: End quote. Luke, I don't present this quote to you

1095
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 2: as a topic of discussion to try to further an

1096
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 2: anti Dana debate or further pfl's coming. That's not the

1097
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 2: stance I'm taking right now. Believe me, I am surprised, Luke.

1098
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 2: Does this feel like the first time on a major

1099
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:49,240
Speaker 2: level you have PFL, who is actively in this space

1100
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 2: trying to compete for the number one. There's no question

1101
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 2: they resigned their ESPN deal, they got Jake Paul, they

1102
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 2: got and Gon who they're launching pay per view. That

1103
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 2: shows you that they are trying to go to that

1104
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 2: next level. But this is Davis and Company publicly saying, Hey, UFC,

1105
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 2: you're gonna come if you're coming on, you know, come on,

1106
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 2: We're fucking coming on your Blockbuster, We're Netflix. Doesn't that

1107
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 2: seem like a power statement? Doesn't that seem like a seriously,

1108
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 2: you know, schitz it bits aside? Doesn't that seem like

1109
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 2: a slow the fuck down, dude, because we are coming?

1110
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 2: So my question to you isn't necessarily is PFL coming?

1111
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 2: We know their intentions? Is this putting the cart before

1112
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 2: the horse? Do you want the potential strong competition of

1113
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 2: number two to be this vocal? How do you react

1114
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 2: to Don Davis's comments?

1115
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:40,399
Speaker 1: I think it's just a bunch of bullshit. I don't

1116
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: really take it very seriously. Blockbusters business model and then

1117
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: some of their business choices in terms of what was

1118
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:55,240
Speaker 1: like what Netflix ultimately did was yes, disrupted the business

1119
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 1: by virtue of having the capacity to do it. PFL

1120
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,959
Speaker 1: is just doing the same thing that the UFC does

1121
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: in practice. I mean, there's some differences with their season

1122
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 1: and whatnot, but in practice these are roughly similar and

1123
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: not identical, but very similar kinds of entities. There's nothing

1124
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: PFL does in terms of how they conduct their business

1125
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: and what ways in which they engage talent that meaningfully

1126
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:20,439
Speaker 1: ever disrupts what UFC has done unless everyone of their

1127
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 1: own volition chooses to leave it, which we know is

1128
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: you know, again, highly unlikely to happen. So the comparison

1129
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: is just utterly nonsensical. The way in which Netflix was

1130
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 1: able to dominate the industry is simply not an avenue

1131
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: that is available to PFL. They're not doing anything different

1132
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: with the way in which they conduct business to supersede

1133
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: and take over in that market share. What I think

1134
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 1: they are trying to say. What they are trying to

1135
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 1: say is are they.

1136
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 2: With the regular season and playoffs?

1137
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: Doesn't that dude, Dude, the regular people buy into like

1138
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,240
Speaker 1: their business model, is is they're going to do seasons

1139
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:57,879
Speaker 1: and it's going to be different. Blah blahlah blah. It's

1140
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: all bullshit. It's all bullshit. It's just yes, if you

1141
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 1: like that, enjoy it, not here to take it away

1142
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: from you, not even saying PFO should stop. But that's

1143
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: got nothing to do with what's happening here. That's just

1144
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 1: the thing that gets them nowhere. I've said this before,

1145
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: people like name five PFL heavyweights. Dude, that's the fucking point.

1146
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,359
Speaker 1: That's the fucking point. They want to move away from

1147
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,399
Speaker 1: the situation where it's they're a bridge to nothing, which

1148
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: is what they've been building all this time. They they've

1149
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: raising significant funds, but that business model PFL has will

1150
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:30,240
Speaker 1: never turn a profit, the current one maybe getting Francis

1151
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 1: and a bunch of other stars does. The only thing

1152
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: it signals to me is that they want to be

1153
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: I think I saw someone else saying this on social media.

1154
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: I forget who, so please forgive me. They just want

1155
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: to be the Pepsi to the UFC's coke. They want

1156
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 1: to convince someone else to come around and buy this

1157
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: operation that they're building with the idea that what they've

1158
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: got is this big business. That is, you know, not

1159
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: as big as the number one rival, but you know,

1160
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 1: pretty close to it. It's a good substitute. You can

1161
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 1: do something with it. I think all these guys just

1162
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: want to build this up and then sell it. I

1163
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: don't think there's anything more to it than that at all,

1164
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 1: and they can parison from Blockbuster to Netflix doesn't even

1165
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: make sense when you examine it.

1166
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 2: Okay, do you though, I mean, look, this does feel

1167
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 2: like a power statement. Do I believe they can get

1168
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 2: there right now? No? But obviously I wish them the best,

1169
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 2: and I applaud going for it, going all in. If

1170
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 2: you got the money, if you've got the celebrity investors,

1171
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 2: which they have, go after it, make a run at it.

1172
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 2: But does this declare war true or false? Do you

1173
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 2: think UFC goes back to Disney and goes, yeah, we

1174
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 2: love having them on the same network.

1175
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: I don't think so, right, Yeah, I mean there might

1176
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: be something to that. I think, you know, because the

1177
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: UFC probably will pull any handle that they could. I think,

1178
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: you know something like that. Maybe PFL is engaging in

1179
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: it because they see the riding on the wall with ESPN. Again,

1180
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: I've said this before, it's like, what has PFL really

1181
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: gotten now this relationship with ESPN like a ton of

1182
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: extra coverage. Not really, it doesn't change their fortunes at all.

1183
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 1: So maybe ESPN wants to move away from it. Yes,

1184
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 1: on that level, something could happen. I suppose that part

1185
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: is true, but just in general, like I hope everyone

1186
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: understands that you know, this is uh, this is not

1187
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: a real statement. There isn't Listen. I will tell you

1188
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: what what can change the industry, and I mean this

1189
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: the force of law. That is fucking it, folks. There

1190
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: is no way, under the current structure and given the

1191
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: power imbalance, that someone is going to come along and

1192
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: out compete UFC to take enough market share to matter.

1193
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: It cannot be done. That's what it means to have

1194
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: a monopoly. It means it doesn't fucking matter what all

1195
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: the minnows in the in the pond do. If the

1196
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: big fish is still sitting there and has the control

1197
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: that it does, they cannot wrestle away control. The only

1198
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: thing that can wrestle away control is the force of law.

1199
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: Backing what a union requires of the the of the

1200
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: employer or ali act or this lawsuit requires some kind

1201
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: of change that is it? That? Is it? So any

1202
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: promoter who's going out there telling you we can compete

1203
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: enough to really shake up the industry, dude, you are

1204
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 1: lying to yourself and you are lying to the industry.

1205
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 1: Maybe strategically, but you're lying. You know. Interesting.

1206
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 2: Interesting. I wonder if their goal long term is to

1207
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 2: get bought out and merged by the UFC.

1208
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, they want to get bought out by somebody else.

1209
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: I mean, they want to get bought out, you know.

1210
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: And that's this thing about like going to getting Middle

1211
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: Eastern money is definitely true. You know. I was exchanging

1212
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: some texts this morning for sure that is true. So

1213
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, I don't know how that's

1214
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: going to go and what it's all going to mean. Again,

1215
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: it feels like the world right now is in constant

1216
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: flux with all this with belt or who knows. But

1217
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: you know, this idea like we're going to take over, dude,

1218
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 1: Like if the if the Rubes believe that, that's cool, man, But.

1219
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not he Hey, UFC, Hey, UFC, Why don't

1220
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 2: you get a cage that has more than a community

1221
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 2: college education? You know what I mean? Why don't you

1222
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, why don't you step up

1223
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 2: your game? All right? Your cage is looking like BC

1224
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 2: right now. Well, while that that damn smart cage just

1225
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 2: graduating from William and Mary. You know what I'm saying, Yeah.

1226
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 1: The smart cage so smart it can't even tell. Dude,

1227
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: you know what, I swear to God. You know that

1228
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: they're going to do some AI integration, Like there are

1229
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: real useful AI tools out there, and we're seeing more

1230
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 1: and more of those day to day. You know, there's

1231
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: a lot of bullshit AI tools, but there's some be

1232
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 1: good useful ones too. But what I've noticed every brand

1233
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: wants to do whether or not their AI product is

1234
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: ready for this is the new thing is every brand

1235
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: has some kind of AI integration. Have you noticed that? Like, dude,

1236
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 1: you know PFL is going to be like, Yo, We've

1237
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: equipped the smart cage with motherfucking AI in this bitch.

1238
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: It's gonna be like Skynett and set off nuclear fucking

1239
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 1: weapons and Saint Petersburg. Bitch.

1240
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 2: I would just be happy if PFL was willing to

1241
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 2: show leaked celebrity nudes in the cage during the fights.

1242
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 2: Look Devigrad be like, wow, who ordered roast beef? Right,

1243
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Get that goalie out of there? Right?

1244
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:56,959
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

1245
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 1: Look, wow, yeah, are you talking about a certain athlete

1246
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: whose whose initials are hs?

1247
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 2: I hope, Luke, I hope, I am. You know what

1248
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 2: I'm saying. Wow?

1249
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: All right, with that in mind, let's try something new.

1250
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 1: Let's try something here. I don't know how this is

1251
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 1: gonna go because we're trying to keep these shows shorter,

1252
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 1: but here they go, they keep being long. Let's do

1253
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 1: a bit of a live Q and a call her

1254
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: live chack Q and a whatever you want to call it.

1255
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: We'll do it for you for a few minutes and

1256
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 1: see how this goes. B See what is your hope

1257
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: out of this segment, aside from not getting fired because

1258
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: Mikey picks someone who's got like the N word in

1259
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: their name or something.

1260
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 2: I know that you and I on big issues ten

1261
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 2: tend to align more than we don't, so I understand

1262
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:42,919
Speaker 2: that there is another opinion out there. We just spent

1263
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 2: almost an hour talking about the state of the UFC,

1264
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 2: the future of the finances, future of competition. You know,

1265
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 2: if you've got something that challenges that, if you got

1266
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 2: to if you need to roast us.

1267
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: Bring it, bring it all right, all right, Mikey, let's

1268
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 1: hit it.

1269
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 2: Let's have an honest chat here, let's do.

1270
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 1: It all right? From Blue Indian, how do you guys?

1271
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 1: Don't know if that's racist or not, but I'm gonna

1272
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: read it. How do you guys see Poarier Getchee two going?

1273
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 1: And do you think the winner will be next in

1274
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 1: line for a title shot BC? What do you think?

1275
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 2: I think it'll be a great action fight. I don't

1276
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 2: think it'll be as good as the first. But how

1277
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 2: do I think it going? I think we'll see you

1278
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 2: got five rounds there. I think we'll see a stoppage

1279
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 2: at the end of the day. You know, I can't

1280
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 2: count Dustin Pourier out anymore after that great performance he

1281
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 2: had against Chandler and the way he was able to

1282
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 2: dig in. If he can dig in on that level again, Luke,

1283
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 2: I kind of still on the surface like the idea

1284
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 2: of him doing what he did the first time around,

1285
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 2: which is, you know, getting dirty, getting in the puddle

1286
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 2: with Gechee because he kind of forces you too, but

1287
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 2: having the ability to outlast him, not only by having

1288
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 2: a great chin, but you know, Dustin puts together off

1289
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 2: sustained offense so well and can snuff out your attacks

1290
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 2: with with giant responses that at the end of the day,

1291
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 2: he is more technical and a little bit more skilled.

1292
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 2: I mean, do you see repeat here, great fight, but

1293
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 2: repeat right.

1294
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 1: I will just say this. I've been waiting, not waiting,

1295
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 1: but I've been wondering. I think it's a better way

1296
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 1: to put it, like when Dustin Pourier's durability is going

1297
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 1: to fall off a cliff because a man has been

1298
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 1: in some rough contests and he has been surprisingly very durable.

1299
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 1: So it's like if I mean, he's been like not

1300
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 1: just durable, he's been like durable durable, like in an

1301
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 1: unusual way. And so I've just kind of wondered, like

1302
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 1: if that guy shows up, Yes, ge Chee is improved,

1303
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: but I don't think Gaichee is actually wearing the damage

1304
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 1: at this point as well, fight to fight, like, I

1305
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 1: can notice a little bit more of a decline on

1306
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 1: what he can resist and although it's still pretty commendable

1307
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: as well. So I actually still feel like Dustin is

1308
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 1: more skilled and uh might be more or I should say,

1309
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 1: much less shop worn, even though he's been in you know,

1310
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 1: he's insane wars.

1311
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 2: And I love this fight, which is why bring the bmfbbs,

1312
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 2: bring it. I love it. But this is the first

1313
01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 2: time Dustin want to be fighting the two point zero

1314
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 2: version of Getchee. But you know this is also Geechee

1315
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 2: a little bit longer in the tooth, even though he

1316
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 2: did have a very gutsy win to get into the spot.

1317
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 2: Will the winner get a title shot? I think they'll be. Look,

1318
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:11,479
Speaker 2: the winner's going to get a huge fight. The winner

1319
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 2: could just as well fight McGregor or something like. You know,

1320
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 2: we don't know. But the winner I think will be

1321
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 2: in line for something big, whether that's title or whether

1322
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 2: that's continuation of this BMF thing. I mean, look, outside

1323
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 2: of McGregor, who we think will fight Champerth at the

1324
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 2: end of the year. Is there a scenario where you

1325
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 2: think this fight's great and then Dana and company go, hey, wait,

1326
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 2: we need to fill more main events. Let's keep BMF going.

1327
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 2: Who do you think would be next in line for

1328
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 2: a BMF shot?

1329
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 1: Who I couldn't.

1330
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 2: Tell you pleas into Robert Rowley's question here of how

1331
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 2: do you guys feel about the BMF titles should it

1332
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 2: continue to be implemented if show should it be defended. Look,

1333
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 2: I'm actually I don't.

1334
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 1: Have a strong I don't have a strong feeling about

1335
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 1: the BMF title one way or the other. It's there

1336
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: or it's not there.

1337
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:58,479
Speaker 2: Like me, It's like, does.

1338
01:04:58,400 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 1: It change it for me?

1339
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 2: If you're gonna do it and they've already done it,

1340
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 2: then go all in with it. Is it? Does it

1341
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 2: mean anything? No? But the whole idea of I've always

1342
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 2: said is go back to like rashad versus rampage. You

1343
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 2: don't need a title on the main event. If it's

1344
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 2: a great matchup, you don't. But that title does tell

1345
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 2: you that we expect this to be a badass brawl.

1346
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 2: It's not necessarily going to lead either man to the title,

1347
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 2: although it could. Let's just let's just recruit great brawl. So, Luke,

1348
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 2: who could potentially be in line there? I mean, do

1349
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 2: you think Jorge has fallen out of that picture as well, Luke,

1350
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 2: or do you think they could resuscitate Jorge again for

1351
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 2: a BMF fight.

1352
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 1: He's retired, right, yeah, but.

1353
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 2: He's already hedged that and said he would come back

1354
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 2: for a big one. My whole question is would you

1355
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 2: be interested in seeing the winner of this BMF fight

1356
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 2: against Jorge in a BMF fight.

1357
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 1: No, I don't care about that at all.

1358
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 2: No, okay, trying to see what you care about.

1359
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 1: I just I mean again, like, the reason why they

1360
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 1: have that title is because the UFC internally feels like

1361
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 1: they need to have one for a pay per view.

1362
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 1: They have a schedule they have to keep. They didn't

1363
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 1: have a title fight available, so they resurrected one out

1364
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: of nothing thing to give them this leeway, which you

1365
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 1: know is fine. Like if people care about it, cool,

1366
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 1: I'm not hating on the fight. Fight's incredible, so like great,

1367
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: Like I'm all about it, but it doesn't change anything

1368
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,439
Speaker 1: for me. Like maybe it changes something for Dustin or Justin,

1369
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 1: in which case good for them. Like I'm not I'm

1370
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 1: not telling anyone else how to feel about it. I

1371
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 1: just can't come on the show and then proclaim I've

1372
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 1: got strong opinions about what they should do with the

1373
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 1: BMF belt when it is quite literally just there to

1374
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 1: service the business ends of the needs to sell more

1375
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 1: pay per views or sometimes make the product look a

1376
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 1: certain way.

1377
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 2: Sometimes I have good ideas, Luke, do you like this idea?

1378
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 2: Let's say Justin Gaichie wins, and he is the best,

1379
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 2: arguably the best representation of what a BMF champion should

1380
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 2: be if we're taking this WWE belt and making it

1381
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 2: kind of fun.

1382
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 1: Actually, I think Dustin's a better representation, having been Chandler

1383
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 1: Alvarez and Gaechie.

1384
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 2: He's the guy to be fair. Okay, so bite your tongue.

1385
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 2: There's a reason though, why I say Justin and not Dustin.

1386
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 2: If Volkanovski beats you, I ear and decides to stay

1387
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 2: at the one, four or five? How about Max Hollwaver

1388
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 2: versus the winner of that for the BMF title? Do

1389
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 2: you get down like that.

1390
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 1: Again? Like you keep making it for the BMF title.

1391
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 1: It doesn't. I don't know how to explain it. It's

1392
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 1: like it's like if someone said, dude, would you want

1393
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 1: to see Max Holloway fight the winner of blah blah blah,

1394
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 1: and then you know it's for the lint in your pocket.

1395
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 1: It's like I would rather you know, the lint in

1396
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 1: the pocket doesn't sell it to me, like I fight

1397
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 1: itself is phenomenal, Like.

1398
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 2: To answer that man's question, if they're going to have it,

1399
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 2: and it's comical right that they brought it back because

1400
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 2: Jorge retired. Like it's comical. But if you're going to

1401
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 2: have it, then I think it should be defendable. I

1402
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 2: think it should be a lineage. I don't think it

1403
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 2: has to be on the line for every subsequent fight

1404
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 2: to the winner. But when you have a badass all

1405
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 2: action matchup between big names and it's not a title

1406
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 2: fight and you want it to main event or comin event,

1407
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 2: you want to add a spice to it, put it

1408
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 2: on the line consistently. I think people would like it, Luke,

1409
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 2: And I think it does play into the synergy of

1410
01:07:56,920 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 2: WWE for whatever that means, this larger conglomerate out of

1411
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 2: one big company. I kind of like that bullshit. I'd

1412
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 2: let that in. I'd let that in my house.

1413
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll just point out this for all of my

1414
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 1: like issues with one or I should say, their management,

1415
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 1: you know, doing four ounce moy thai, Yeah, well whatever,

1416
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 1: But doing four ounce moy thai is to me a

1417
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 1: much more novel idea of doing things than just throwing

1418
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 1: a fucking silver belt in. There called be a math

1419
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 1: like it's not like which one is which one is

1420
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 1: inherently more interesting? Four ounce moy thai is just much.

1421
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a new category, almost throwing a

1422
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 1: silver belt on there that we didn't even know existed

1423
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 1: because we thought it was a one time thing, because

1424
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 1: they told us explicitly over and over it was a

1425
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: one time thing. You know, what does that mean? It

1426
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: means whatever you want it to mean. Like, that's honestly

1427
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:48,639
Speaker 1: what it means. All right, let's do the next one.

1428
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 1: All right, question with Spencer versus Crawford. What do you

1429
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 1: think the biggest X factor?

1430
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 2: Oh?

1431
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 1: Good question for each of them? And what is their

1432
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 1: biggest flaw that the opponent might expose? Thanks?

1433
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 2: We think take you, Trevor Mahoney. You have to love

1434
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 2: this matchup southpaw against orthodox fighter. Although Crawford can switch

1435
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 2: and does regularly. I think when we've looked at this

1436
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:12,760
Speaker 2: over the years, the one thing we ultimately say is,

1437
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 2: although Spence is a south paw and although he can

1438
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:19,680
Speaker 2: do it all, he is to a large degree a

1439
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 2: more traditional boxer. Yes, he like look what he did

1440
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 2: to Ugus, likes to get inside on you. You can

1441
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 2: go to the body. He can fight from distance, but

1442
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 2: if he wants to walk downhill against you, he can.

1443
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 2: I think the key to this matchup of what makes

1444
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 2: it so great, along with the unbeaten records and the

1445
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 2: titles and all that is. Crawford's the opposite of that.

1446
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 2: To me, He's the freestyler, He's the free flower. He

1447
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 2: switches dances. Yes, he's more of a pure boxer, but man,

1448
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 2: he could be the bully and the puncher just the same.

1449
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:51,800
Speaker 2: I want to see if that element Luke dictates where

1450
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,679
Speaker 2: this fight goes. I know that it's dangerous to frame

1451
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 2: it that way because it feels like you're putting Spence

1452
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 2: down by saying he's more traditional which kind of screen

1453
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 2: he's not as adaptive or creative. But is it fair

1454
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 2: to say at the core that that would create some

1455
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 2: of the contrast between them and maybe potentially some of

1456
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:17,800
Speaker 2: the advantage. Whose advantage potentially to Crawford, because nobody freestyles

1457
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 2: in this game at the elite level arguably like him.

1458
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, no one freestyles like Bud. I agree Boots

1459
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 1: Boots is up there, but he has not. He's got

1460
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 1: a little bit more to prove. I think two things

1461
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 1: stand out to me right now about Crawford. On the

1462
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 1: limiting side, the way BC said it is right that

1463
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 1: just maybe the highest fight IQ in the game. I

1464
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 1: mean he's he's in that discussion, right, you see true

1465
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 1: or false, He's in that discussion. Right.

1466
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 2: So if you had king, no one's going to be

1467
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:48,599
Speaker 2: knocking on your door with a burning steak.

1468
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 1: Okay, that's right. I mean, I mean the reality is

1469
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 1: Bud Crawford is a boxing genius and that's just you

1470
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 1: can't take that from him. So that's number one. Uh well,

1471
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 1: that's that's the back dround. But the two things that

1472
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 1: limit him in my judgment BC, or at least could

1473
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 1: be could be factors that limit him is one, he's

1474
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 1: a little bit old. Now. Folks have asked, is he's

1475
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:08,800
Speaker 1: so old that the fight is no longer interesting? No,

1476
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 1: he has not shown that kind of decline that makes

1477
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: you think that he couldn't put in an all time

1478
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:15,519
Speaker 1: performance like Limoncheko thirty five. I don't know how many

1479
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 1: times he could do what he did on Saturday Night,

1480
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 1: but he did that. You know, Bud could have the

1481
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 1: fight of his life. Quite honestly, he's still he still

1482
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 1: has that level of connection to his game where he

1483
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 1: could pull it out of himself if he really needed

1484
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 1: to with a high volume affair. If that's what his

1485
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 1: style called for that night, but he is a little

1486
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 1: bit on the older side. The other thing that kind

1487
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:34,639
Speaker 1: of stands out to MEBC and then there's I get

1488
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 1: pushback on this for saying it, but in general, you know,

1489
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 1: there's a lot that happened to him in his top

1490
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 1: ranked tenure that to me was not impressive, like not

1491
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 1: beating the right guy, or not beating interesting guys, or

1492
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:50,560
Speaker 1: beating overmatched guys. Like dude, what the fuck was that

1493
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:52,679
Speaker 1: a mere con fight? I realized that's not Bud's fault,

1494
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 1: Like I was even fighting a mire con at that point.

1495
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:59,640
Speaker 1: Like the last thing. Yeah, well, here's the difference. On

1496
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 1: the other side, Spence to me has been fighting relatively speaking,

1497
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 1: in that same time, much better competition in general, not totally,

1498
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 1: but in general. The only thing that stands out to

1499
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 1: me on the other side about Spence by C is

1500
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 1: how much did that car wreck fuck him up? Now

1501
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:19,799
Speaker 1: here's the thing. He looked terrifying against Ugas, But Ugas

1502
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 1: is very good, but completely different guy than Bud Crawford.

1503
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:27,439
Speaker 1: And I want to say this too, like Errol Spence

1504
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 1: to me is the most devastating body attacker in boxing today.

1505
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 1: I mean, he will punch a fucking hole through you

1506
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 1: if you if you don't have the best defense in

1507
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 1: that fucking division. And Ugasa's eye got shut, but he

1508
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 1: got torched to the body too. Yea, he is, he

1509
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:47,680
Speaker 1: is a bulldozer. But I wonder what that what that

1510
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 1: car accident did to him. Is he's still the same guy.

1511
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 1: So there's a couple of questions on either end. You

1512
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 1: have this force of nature and Spence versus this artistic

1513
01:12:56,360 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 1: genius in Crawford. But one guy's kind of banged up

1514
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:02,200
Speaker 1: from that or accident maybe and one guy's kind of old.

1515
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:03,599
Speaker 1: Maybe that's how I see it.

1516
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've both been inactive, which is why this isn't

1517
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 2: best case scenario. But they're still both undefeated. They have

1518
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:11,360
Speaker 2: all four of the titles, and this is our generation

1519
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 2: sort of welterweight summit like Maywether Pacio was before, like

1520
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:18,400
Speaker 2: Hearns versus Leonard was at a time, Uh Leonard Duran

1521
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 2: as well. But look, the whole the whole point is

1522
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 2: ultimately this that if there's any question, like, no one

1523
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,720
Speaker 2: has a bad chin here, but Spence has Spence has

1524
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:30,559
Speaker 2: a great chin. Yeah does Crawford. I got dropped by

1525
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 2: me and machine got right back up, kicked his ass,

1526
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 2: stopped him, got hurt by gamboa a couple of times. Briefly,

1527
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 2: I wonder if at the end of the day, like, look,

1528
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 2: if Spence can duplicate the type of attack he had

1529
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 2: against against Ugas and tries to make it an action

1530
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 2: fight in a war, what does that do to Crawford.

1531
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 2: You can make the argument that Crawford won't be in

1532
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,599
Speaker 2: that type of fight because he has advantages over Ugas

1533
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:55,720
Speaker 2: with movement and distance control and all that that he

1534
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 2: doesn't because he is a wizard and he can switch

1535
01:13:57,840 --> 01:13:59,760
Speaker 2: stances and oh, by the way, Crawford can dig in,

1536
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:02,920
Speaker 2: and but if Spence can make it more of a

1537
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:06,719
Speaker 2: fight than a high level chess match, does that favorite Spencer.

1538
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 2: There's a lot of things to look at here. The

1539
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 2: whole point is either man can win. They're both not

1540
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 2: only greats, but I think they're teetering toward the idea

1541
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 2: of all time greats. Luke. That's why you got to

1542
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 2: see them against one another. Let's just hope that that

1543
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 2: and I believe they will. Let's hope that they go

1544
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 2: after it on fight night when they do make this,

1545
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 2: and I believe.

1546
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:28,799
Speaker 1: Spence has Spence has no other gear Spence has. Spence

1547
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 1: is one thousand going to bring the fight to him.

1548
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 1: Like if there's one constant in the universe aside from

1549
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:38,880
Speaker 1: you know, space, time getting pulled apart and stretched near

1550
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 1: the end of the the getting pulled into a black hole,

1551
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:45,720
Speaker 1: it is aerol Spence driving forward, not like a not

1552
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 1: like an estat cruise, but very scientifically pushing into you

1553
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:53,120
Speaker 1: and absolutely roasting the fuck out of your ribs. Okay,

1554
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 1: next question, what do we got there? Mikey uh from

1555
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:06,360
Speaker 1: fuck who fuck you? Fuck you? If Umar number gota

1556
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:08,720
Speaker 1: made off Aljaban sterling thought tomorrow gun to your head,

1557
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 1: who do you think, wins Man, that's a great question.

1558
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:12,719
Speaker 1: I'd still go with Aljaban because I think people sleep

1559
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 1: on him BC there. I had my thing where I

1560
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 1: slept on him before, but I have since been like, okay,

1561
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:20,759
Speaker 1: he is just you got to give the guy credit.

1562
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 1: There's still a lot of fans who just refuse to

1563
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 1: cross that line, even though we've all been on one

1564
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 1: side of it. But it's time to cross. But Umar

1565
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 1: is the motherfucker like that one could be could be tough.

1566
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:32,599
Speaker 2: I wonder if that's oddly a fifty to fifty fight.

1567
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:35,479
Speaker 2: We don't know. I mean, Umar hasn't faced consistently guys

1568
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:37,719
Speaker 2: on this level yet, Like he's about you, We're about

1569
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:39,839
Speaker 2: to find out how grad he is. San Hagan Hello,

1570
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 2: But if you backed him, would it be a bad bet?

1571
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 2: I don't know. You'd have to wait and see, Luke.

1572
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:46,880
Speaker 2: I'd love to see that fight.

1573
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 1: Next question for each who is current day MMA? Who

1574
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:56,639
Speaker 1: in current day MMA is your favorite fighter all around? Why?

1575
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:59,720
Speaker 1: As a fighter and as a person. I mean we're

1576
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 1: just where every other day these guys are high fiving

1577
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 1: Andrew Tayan. I don't know if I can answer that

1578
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:04,559
Speaker 1: question with a straight face.

1579
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:09,120
Speaker 2: Can I offer a guy? Can I for Dustin Poorier?

1580
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 1: Luke?

1581
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:13,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike, he just said, yeah, I bet you. Luke's

1582
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:13,719
Speaker 2: gonna pick Dustin.

1583
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:15,720
Speaker 1: I do like Dustin Poarier is a lot I had.

1584
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 2: You've always loved him and backed him, and you were right.

1585
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 2: Other people in my combat life have I you know,

1586
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 2: I came around to realize that you guys were right.

1587
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 2: He's an American hero. I'll set off in the MMA space, Luke.

1588
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:29,160
Speaker 2: Randy Couture is an American hero. I think Dustin Pourier

1589
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:32,639
Speaker 2: is too, and and I have a lot of respect

1590
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:34,680
Speaker 2: for how he's handled his life and career in a

1591
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 2: lot of ways. So, uh, is he my favorite MMA fighter? Like?

1592
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:40,479
Speaker 2: No like to watch? It might be it might be

1593
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 2: Gaye Chee, but you know, yeah, man, I mean, who

1594
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:48,840
Speaker 2: wouldn't want to have Dustin Pourier's career right now, even

1595
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 2: though he hasn't won the full championship.

1596
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 1: Right I guess the answer to that question, B see

1597
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:55,519
Speaker 1: has got to be Dustin's up there. Dustin's up there.

1598
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 1: I do think he's done. You know a lot of good.

1599
01:16:57,760 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 1: But just in a sport where a lot of these

1600
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 1: guys are like, yeah, trans people should be shot, you know,

1601
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:06,519
Speaker 1: I mean we just utterly retrograde caveman opinions. It's hard

1602
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 1: to get on board with them when they do that,

1603
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:10,840
Speaker 1: not so much as talents but as people. But there

1604
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 1: are some exceptions to that rule, obviously, Max Holloway. Max

1605
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 1: Holloway just seems what, you know, what a great dad.

1606
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 1: I'll tell you something, man, if someone is a great dad,

1607
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 1: that doesn't make him a great person. But if they're

1608
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:28,640
Speaker 1: a great dad and a great partner to a to

1609
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:30,519
Speaker 1: a spouse, a woman or man, you know, whatever the

1610
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 1: situation is that that's enough cross sections where it's hard

1611
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:37,679
Speaker 1: to be a shitbag person while being a great dad

1612
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 1: and being a great husband. It's actually hard to do that,

1613
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 1: and I think Max has got to a point where

1614
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 1: I don't know what his life is like on the inside.

1615
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 1: You know. I've seen little snippets here and there. He

1616
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 1: seems to be a guy who takes that part of

1617
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:52,520
Speaker 1: his life seriously, and I think the results speak for themselves.

1618
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 2: I'm also going to offer Luke, although sometimes we criticize

1619
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:58,920
Speaker 2: the decisions or comments he makes that lean toward being

1620
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 2: a corporate UFC guy, which he also is. Daniel Cormier

1621
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 2: as a fighter, as a man, I've got monster respect

1622
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 2: for and I always have. I think to this day

1623
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:11,559
Speaker 2: he's my favorite MMA interview because he's so honest and

1624
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 2: so real and can be self reflective. I'm gonna throw

1625
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:16,800
Speaker 2: that out there, and Luke, I also if I always

1626
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 2: say it, and I thought the documentary on her really

1627
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:22,480
Speaker 2: nailed this home. Rosenami Unis, to me is an incredible

1628
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 2: interesting person who has been through a lot in her

1629
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:26,640
Speaker 2: life in and out of the cage, and I have

1630
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 2: a lot of respect for how she thinks and navigates

1631
01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 2: and what she represents, you know what I mean. Like,

1632
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 2: it's also like, what are you using your platform for? Obviously,

1633
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:36,640
Speaker 2: somebody like Dustin Poier with the commitment to charity and

1634
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:38,639
Speaker 2: all that is, you know, in the commitment to family,

1635
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:40,760
Speaker 2: we have a lot of respect for. But I like

1636
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 2: for some of the things Roses stood up for too.

1637
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 1: Just the same, fair enough, all right. Next someone says

1638
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:50,599
Speaker 1: Gilbert Burns a good one from that same conlioration, Yeah,

1639
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:55,200
Speaker 1: I would agree. I would agree from lone wolve, what

1640
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:57,639
Speaker 1: does Luke think a BC's haircut? I think he's ready

1641
01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 1: for Lilith fair No, but seriously, what the what the

1642
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:05,800
Speaker 1: fuck is going on with BC's cut. It looks like

1643
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:07,639
Speaker 1: Ray Charles got him with the clippers.

1644
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 2: What is wrong with it? Okay, look I've got I've

1645
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:12,559
Speaker 2: got some BedHead here, Luke, because when you work from home,

1646
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 2: showering is optional. But I mean, I said, I said

1647
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 2: to Kenny, I said, Yo, Kenny, give me the summer cut, man.

1648
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:21,840
Speaker 2: I'm willing to go shorter here, because, Luke, what's the

1649
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 2: best way to fight the summertime? I know I have

1650
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 2: to take my shirt off at the lake. I don't

1651
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:29,639
Speaker 2: want to have fat face it's to trim your beard

1652
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:31,640
Speaker 2: down and get a tight haircut, because every time you

1653
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 2: look in the mirror, you'll see what you got to

1654
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:33,600
Speaker 2: work on.

1655
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 1: Luke. All right, turn to the side, and these.

1656
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 2: Are confessions of a forty four year old man.

1657
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:43,759
Speaker 1: Be gentle with me. Okay, you know what, the fade's

1658
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:46,680
Speaker 1: not so bad, actually better than the last one you had.

1659
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 1: The last fade you had with some bullshit. This one

1660
01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:53,479
Speaker 1: is twenty two dollars. Bro all right, do you go

1661
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:55,720
Speaker 1: to the barber college. Who's cutting your hair?

1662
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 2: My guy Kenny at sport Clips, Luke. I don't normally

1663
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:01,920
Speaker 2: like places like four Clips. They're very you know, you

1664
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 2: never know what the quality you're getting. They're very you know,

1665
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:06,759
Speaker 2: But you do Luke for a total of like twenty

1666
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 2: eight bucks. If you want to add it on, you

1667
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:11,160
Speaker 2: do get the MVP, which is the massage, the face,

1668
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:13,519
Speaker 2: the hair wash, the you know, you got a lot.

1669
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 2: There's a lot going there's no no one, no one's

1670
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:16,000
Speaker 2: reaching anyone.

1671
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:18,760
Speaker 1: So I'll just say this, if this boxing and MMA

1672
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:20,639
Speaker 1: stuff doesn't work out for you, you've got a great

1673
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:22,880
Speaker 1: career going forward with this haircut. To be a Rosi

1674
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 1: O'Donnell impersonator.

1675
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,720
Speaker 2: It's really okay, it's not it doesn't make sense, it's

1676
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 2: not funny, it's disrespectful in a lot of ways. But uh,

1677
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 2: I think you know this is Luke. Are we getting closer?

1678
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 2: Because look, you and I may have bottomed out of

1679
01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:38,440
Speaker 2: our washedness if you go back and look at doncumentary

1680
01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 2: number three, the Bellatour one, the Puerto Rico one, like,

1681
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 2: we may have hit our limits of fatness and just

1682
01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:46,679
Speaker 2: not caring about ourselves. And my skin has different colors

1683
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:49,559
Speaker 2: jumping out. I might be jaundice. I don't know. Would

1684
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:51,639
Speaker 2: you say that right now? And yes, Brian, I see

1685
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:53,640
Speaker 2: your comment there. I'm a hip, middle aged guy in

1686
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:56,760
Speaker 2: a reggae tongue club. Yeah yeah, I haven't lost all

1687
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:59,559
Speaker 2: my money in to crypto. But look, this haircut gets

1688
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:03,120
Speaker 2: me close to being prime BC. I don't mean twenty

1689
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:05,200
Speaker 2: five year old single got it together for the first

1690
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:09,200
Speaker 2: time prime BC. I mean what's the prime dad husband

1691
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 2: mid forties version I can be. I think this haircut

1692
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:13,680
Speaker 2: is a step closer to that.

1693
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:15,639
Speaker 1: Bro, all right, you should have showered.

1694
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 2: That's true.

1695
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:24,680
Speaker 1: That's true, you should have showered. All right? Next, how

1696
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:27,599
Speaker 1: are y'all originally selected? And paired together for the show

1697
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:30,879
Speaker 1: what's the origin story? We actually have slightly different answers

1698
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:32,920
Speaker 1: for this. I mean, in the end, it's kind of

1699
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:34,639
Speaker 1: the same, but it's a little bit different.

1700
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:38,080
Speaker 2: I can only tell you, Kinsey, thank you for that

1701
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:38,679
Speaker 2: quch yes.

1702
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:41,240
Speaker 1: Thinking, I can only tell you my answer, which was,

1703
01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:43,759
Speaker 1: I was in negotiations with Vox to do a different

1704
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:45,680
Speaker 1: show than MMA Hour. I was never going to do

1705
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:47,680
Speaker 1: that one again. It was like, I was awful to

1706
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 1: do that, and so I was in negotiations for a

1707
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:54,639
Speaker 1: different show, and then like I had this fortuitous meeting

1708
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:58,800
Speaker 1: with Showtime and they swooped in quite literally at the

1709
01:21:58,920 --> 01:21:59,719
Speaker 1: last minute.

1710
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:02,479
Speaker 2: Once you run on the on the subway, you ran

1711
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:05,680
Speaker 2: into an executive at Showtime who I had previously told like, Hey,

1712
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 2: you should probably look at Luke Thomas if you're looking

1713
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:09,719
Speaker 2: to expand into different things, right.

1714
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:11,920
Speaker 1: So it was so funny you had you had told

1715
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:13,519
Speaker 1: him that. I didn't know you had told him that.

1716
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:16,120
Speaker 1: But you got to remember, when BC and I were

1717
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:18,920
Speaker 1: doing the MMA beat together, he had already had a

1718
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 1: relationship with Showtime developed before that. I really did not.

1719
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 1: It was mostly on v season that he had had

1720
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:27,800
Speaker 1: done some boxing work for them. In fact, you could

1721
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:29,640
Speaker 1: see him. I think his pinned clip, I think your

1722
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:32,240
Speaker 1: pin clip on Twitter to this day is doing one

1723
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 1: of the weigh ins for a Wilder Fight with Morrow

1724
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:38,840
Speaker 1: and then Polymelanagi at the time. Anyway, So I think

1725
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:42,480
Speaker 1: it was Brendan Shab who kind of, again from my perspective,

1726
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 1: was like, Hey, let me hook up with this guy

1727
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 1: our boss. I won't say his name. And and then

1728
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:51,680
Speaker 1: that fucking day I ran into him on the New

1729
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:54,960
Speaker 1: York City subway. We were in the same car, like

1730
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:57,640
Speaker 1: two feet from each other. We're like, we did that

1731
01:22:57,680 --> 01:22:59,240
Speaker 1: Spider Man memewhere. It's like, are you the guy? And

1732
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 1: I'm the guy? And then we talked and we set

1733
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:04,559
Speaker 1: up a conversation, and the conversation led to what you're

1734
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 1: looking at today. I remember when they came with like

1735
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:09,679
Speaker 1: a verbal offer. I called BC and I was like, dude,

1736
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 1: they want to do this, Like.

1737
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:14,559
Speaker 2: Dude, I was in a cab in Midtown and you

1738
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 2: were like, BC, I'm not going to tell you business

1739
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 2: wise what decision to make or how to live your life.

1740
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:22,719
Speaker 2: But you're like, have you signed the because you're forgetting

1741
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:24,719
Speaker 2: the part where we were going to do a show

1742
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:26,519
Speaker 2: similar to this but on Vox.

1743
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:29,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the show we were negotiating with Vous. Yeah,

1744
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 1: and you.

1745
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 2: Were like, before you signed with Vox, they're going to

1746
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 2: call you from Showtime. Take the call and listen to them,

1747
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:37,439
Speaker 2: that's all you said.

1748
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:39,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then like, you know, who's going to give

1749
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:43,760
Speaker 1: us the best offer? Showtime by far gave us the

1750
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:47,040
Speaker 1: best offer, and uh so that's it. Like they came

1751
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:50,400
Speaker 1: in at the end and rolled out the red carpet,

1752
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 1: and BC already had a relationship. I already had a

1753
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:55,720
Speaker 1: relationship with BC through MMA Beat. I knew we had

1754
01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 1: good chemistry. He knew we had good chemistry, and.

1755
01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:01,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I knew Luke the well. I didn't know

1756
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 2: what the first episode of m B MMBT two hundred

1757
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 2: when I came on, because I thought you hated me,

1758
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:08,120
Speaker 2: but Chuck after Chuck afterwards like no, no, no, it

1759
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:10,719
Speaker 2: was great man, And I'm like, nah, Luke's a grunk,

1760
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:14,200
Speaker 2: you know, he's just angry. But Luke, the difference in

1761
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 2: our origin story is you shared to me early on

1762
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:19,720
Speaker 2: when I joined the MMA Beat that like, look, I

1763
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:23,080
Speaker 2: inherited this from Ariel. It's great, but it's just it's

1764
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:24,840
Speaker 2: not the best use of my skills. I kind of

1765
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 2: want to do something a little bit different, you know,

1766
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:29,680
Speaker 2: because it was already in place in MMA Fighting, and

1767
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:31,640
Speaker 2: I pitched to you. I said, you know what you

1768
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:35,840
Speaker 2: probably need, Luke. You probably need a funny partner to

1769
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:38,120
Speaker 2: do almost like a PTI of MMA. I don't know

1770
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 2: if you remember this, but I pitched to you you

1771
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:42,880
Speaker 2: and Shop. I said you need somebody like Brendan shopp.

1772
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:44,800
Speaker 1: I don't remember that actually, but.

1773
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:48,280
Speaker 2: Secretly I was also thinking, man, you know, if I

1774
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:51,600
Speaker 2: could get better and bigger in this place, it'd be

1775
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 2: great if it was me. But I wasn't pitching it

1776
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 2: because I look, you had just taken Ariel's chair. This is,

1777
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:58,280
Speaker 2: you know, a big deal. I'm I wasn't established an MMA,

1778
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:00,360
Speaker 2: even though I'd been working in there for having eight

1779
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:03,080
Speaker 2: years on a high level. And Luke it Ultimately you

1780
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:06,080
Speaker 2: came back about two months later and we're like, BC,

1781
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:09,320
Speaker 2: I got an idea, what about if you and me

1782
01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 2: just do a two man show? And so you know,

1783
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, that's that's exactly what I'm talking about, dude, Okay, Luke.

1784
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:20,720
Speaker 2: So you know, they they went. I went from you

1785
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:22,440
Speaker 2: and Shob to you and me in my mind.

1786
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:25,120
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think the shop one was ever real

1787
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:29,280
Speaker 1: because he's he's he was tied on the East coast. Yeah,

1788
01:25:29,479 --> 01:25:31,040
Speaker 1: well it just doesn't make any sense. You and I

1789
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:33,360
Speaker 1: were at least relatively in the same area. We could

1790
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 1: we could meet at the Box offices, you know, basically

1791
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:38,160
Speaker 1: once a week to do that. I was like, Okay,

1792
01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:39,760
Speaker 1: there's a thing we can put together here, you know,

1793
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:40,439
Speaker 1: all right, Luke.

1794
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:45,240
Speaker 2: In hindsight, in hindsight, did you have about us as

1795
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:49,559
Speaker 2: a duo? In hindsight, did you have fears, misgivings, concerns

1796
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:51,120
Speaker 2: where you're like, let's roll the balls out and see

1797
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:51,960
Speaker 2: what happens.

1798
01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:57,519
Speaker 1: You know, I honestly had. I mean, I had some

1799
01:25:57,560 --> 01:25:59,720
Speaker 1: concerns about what all the big switch would be. Like

1800
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:03,800
Speaker 1: I was. I was elated to no longer be working

1801
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:09,640
Speaker 1: at Box. That was a giant relief, but you know,

1802
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:12,679
Speaker 1: having to make boxing a bigger priority when I had

1803
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 1: shelved it for years. Was concerned working with a new

1804
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 1: person and just you and me was a concern. Like,

1805
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 1: there was just a lot that I was concerned about

1806
01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 1: in terms of the switching. I wasn't concerned that we

1807
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:27,879
Speaker 1: could deliver an entertaining product that was never really concerned

1808
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:30,080
Speaker 1: with that and to this.

1809
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 2: Day about the m M A space would it would

1810
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 2: accept me? Luke, what about that?

1811
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:38,320
Speaker 1: Yeah? But like they still they still happened. But like

1812
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:40,599
Speaker 1: you know, I get taunted from my boxing takes all

1813
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:43,240
Speaker 1: the time too, like it's a work in progress. I

1814
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:45,160
Speaker 1: I have to I have to be you know, I

1815
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:47,160
Speaker 1: know that I have to pay my dues and I

1816
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 1: haven't paid them enough, and I get that completely. So

1817
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 1: I knew that there was going to be work for me,

1818
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:54,360
Speaker 1: and so for those reasons I had some trepidation, but

1819
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:57,360
Speaker 1: not in terms of like my not not in terms

1820
01:26:57,400 --> 01:26:59,519
Speaker 1: of the camera being on in us doing well, No.

1821
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the in the you know, us going

1822
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:04,120
Speaker 2: to showtime made a lot more sense too because I

1823
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 2: was full time with CBS up both under now the

1824
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:08,880
Speaker 2: Paramount brand than vi COMCBS, so it made a lot

1825
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:11,600
Speaker 2: of sense. And I do have a question sometimes of

1826
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 2: like what would it have been like if we had

1827
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:16,679
Speaker 2: if you hadn't had that fortuitous meeting, if we had

1828
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 2: signed with Vox, we would have been MMA only. We

1829
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:22,880
Speaker 2: probably still would have built a huge audience, but you know,

1830
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:24,320
Speaker 2: you know, you never know if it would have gone

1831
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:26,720
Speaker 2: the same way, we wouldn't have a documentary series, and that.

1832
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:28,639
Speaker 1: It would not have gone the same way. It would

1833
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:30,439
Speaker 1: not we would just would not have had the same

1834
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:32,920
Speaker 1: level of institutional support that we've had. I can just

1835
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:38,080
Speaker 1: say that very very confidently. You know, all right? Next, Uh,

1836
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 1: does Usman versus Hamza get done? And does wrestling cancel

1837
01:27:41,439 --> 01:27:43,320
Speaker 1: it out as a stand up fight? Who do you

1838
01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:45,839
Speaker 1: guys have in that matchup? BC? Nice haircut, you handsome

1839
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:46,759
Speaker 1: son of a beach.

1840
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:49,920
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you very much, sir, Thank you, my m.

1841
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:52,400
Speaker 1: I don't think the wrestling fully cancels itself out. I

1842
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:54,320
Speaker 1: think it. I think they both wrestle a little bit.

1843
01:27:55,000 --> 01:28:00,400
Speaker 2: You're talking about Usman hamsad At what Wait? Yeah, I

1844
01:28:00,439 --> 01:28:01,800
Speaker 2: mean there's a lot of we have to wait and

1845
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:03,559
Speaker 2: see to see how Usman looks at that way. But

1846
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:07,599
Speaker 2: fighting another blown up ish welterweight maybe, but that's probably

1847
01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:10,720
Speaker 2: disrespectful because Hamsat's probably going to be an instant title contender. Yeah,

1848
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:12,200
Speaker 2: I want to see that fight. Look. By the way,

1849
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:14,400
Speaker 2: Hamza did put out a video that he said he's

1850
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:17,120
Speaker 2: coming back, He's gonna fight Nabu Dabi in October and

1851
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 2: that it's that the UFC is talking about maybe usman, Damn,

1852
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 2: I love that fight. Damn I do all right.

1853
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:27,760
Speaker 1: I love the fight too. I hope it happens. I

1854
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:29,640
Speaker 1: think you get a mix. I think you get a

1855
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 1: mix like the Gilbert fight. I think you get a

1856
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:33,200
Speaker 1: Gilbert is a little different because he's much more of

1857
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 1: a submission specialist. But in terms of like the apportionment

1858
01:28:36,120 --> 01:28:38,240
Speaker 1: of that, I think you're gonna get, You're gonna get

1859
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 1: a mix. Maybe a little bit less striking than you

1860
01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:44,000
Speaker 1: got with Gilbert, but something on the order of that.

1861
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:44,360
Speaker 1: I think.

1862
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:47,720
Speaker 2: Won't usman get into troubles trying to strike exclusively with

1863
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:48,439
Speaker 2: Hamzad or no.

1864
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:54,479
Speaker 1: Not necessarily, not necessarily, Hamzat takes risks Man's That's the

1865
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:58,800
Speaker 1: part too. It's like, remember Hamzat. Sometimes Hamzat can fight

1866
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:02,160
Speaker 1: very very smart. He is very talented, but sometimes he

1867
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:05,880
Speaker 1: fights well beneath his level, and that opens up opportunities man,

1868
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:09,080
Speaker 1: like you know, so they think about that, all right, last,

1869
01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:10,760
Speaker 1: we'll do one more than we got a switch just

1870
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:13,680
Speaker 1: timing constraints. Let's do one more. Give us a good one.

1871
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:17,559
Speaker 1: Mikey fucking us at Morning Combat for BC and Luke,

1872
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:20,000
Speaker 1: if they could change three things to help fix UFC

1873
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:25,360
Speaker 1: fighter pay. What would they be and why?

1874
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:25,800
Speaker 2: See?

1875
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:27,760
Speaker 1: I mean the answers are not that difficult, right, like

1876
01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:33,840
Speaker 1: greater share of rev protections for the length of contracts,

1877
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:34,320
Speaker 1: like what.

1878
01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 2: Do you feel about the wind bonus and that if

1879
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:37,280
Speaker 2: you're in a great fight.

1880
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:42,760
Speaker 1: Utterly eliminate it, utterly eliminated or or do this? Do this.

1881
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:45,320
Speaker 1: Remember there's still a fifty k just just sitting at

1882
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:49,080
Speaker 1: fifty k. Tie them to revenue, tie them to revenue.

1883
01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:52,000
Speaker 1: So over the years it goes from being fifty k

1884
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:54,479
Speaker 1: to seventy five K, one hundred K, two hundred K,

1885
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:57,160
Speaker 1: three hundred k, you know whatever, some kind of amount

1886
01:29:57,200 --> 01:29:59,360
Speaker 1: like that where you just tie it, like tie all

1887
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:02,280
Speaker 1: that stuff. However much the UFC is making tie it

1888
01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 1: some kind of buy in where everyone eats in the

1889
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:09,920
Speaker 1: same kind of growing proportions along that way. So that

1890
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:11,559
Speaker 1: would be a great way, But that doesn't fix fighter

1891
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:12,320
Speaker 1: pay that you know.

1892
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 2: I think one of the three things that could fix

1893
01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:18,800
Speaker 2: it is a renewed allowance to some level of sponsorship.

1894
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:23,639
Speaker 1: Correct, agreed? Dude, did you see that octagon for that

1895
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:24,599
Speaker 1: last fight night?

1896
01:30:25,240 --> 01:30:28,680
Speaker 2: They have absolute stomach Yeah.

1897
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:31,360
Speaker 1: I'm so tired of seeing that shirtless weirdo, but more

1898
01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:34,840
Speaker 1: to the point, more to the point, like just the

1899
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:39,519
Speaker 1: level of like v Chain, the Burt Kreischer thing on

1900
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:43,679
Speaker 1: the ring post. Outside the ring post, there's the DraftKings Clock.

1901
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:46,479
Speaker 1: Then we're back in here and it's the Monster Energy.

1902
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:48,639
Speaker 1: Then there's this other movie. Then there's some other thing

1903
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:52,920
Speaker 1: that's crypto related, and every little piece, every corner has

1904
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:55,519
Speaker 1: a designated spot. And then they're selling even the black

1905
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:59,280
Speaker 1: line to retail, basically folks to just buy a spot

1906
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:02,639
Speaker 1: that you can't even see. It's like, dude, they are

1907
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:07,280
Speaker 1: fucking printing money off this fan base. Man, It's insane.

1908
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:10,679
Speaker 2: And guess what, it's not going back to the people

1909
01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:11,280
Speaker 2: that matter.

1910
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:14,400
Speaker 1: All right, all right, well that in mind, BC, let's

1911
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:15,439
Speaker 1: do some fan subs.

1912
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:18,360
Speaker 2: All right, we open up the emails to you, to

1913
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 2: the paquets, to whoever's creative here Morning Combat at gmail

1914
01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:25,519
Speaker 2: dot com for something we call fans emissions. Let's do it.

1915
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:33,400
Speaker 2: Let's do it. You've got mail feures favorite male viewers.

1916
01:31:33,439 --> 01:31:36,439
Speaker 2: Lukes Saoul, the real sou No, not Little Anthony and V.

1917
01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:39,400
Speaker 2: We're talking about the real Saoul, he says, reporting from

1918
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:43,240
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty three Bluegrass Pug festival. This was year

1919
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:46,679
Speaker 2: two of this charity event and was bigger than last year.

1920
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:49,600
Speaker 2: Saw hundreds of pugs and my dogs got to socialize.

1921
01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:52,240
Speaker 2: Donated to a couple of charities to ensure the great

1922
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:55,240
Speaker 2: care of these little guys. I also adopted this pitbull

1923
01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:57,200
Speaker 2: mixed dog a month ago. He was abandoned at a

1924
01:31:57,240 --> 01:32:00,000
Speaker 2: park at about four weeks old, and when the alternative

1925
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:02,560
Speaker 2: was given him to a shelter filled with only pipples,

1926
01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:05,120
Speaker 2: I made him a part of our family. He fit

1927
01:32:05,200 --> 01:32:08,160
Speaker 2: in perfect with the pugs. And as always, I'm sporting

1928
01:32:08,200 --> 01:32:10,800
Speaker 2: the MK merch because it's MK all day. Look, keep

1929
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:13,000
Speaker 2: the picture there, Mikey. Look what do you think of

1930
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:19,160
Speaker 2: Saul's girls' leg tat?

1931
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:24,000
Speaker 1: I don't love it, but it doesn't matter.

1932
01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:27,320
Speaker 2: Don't you dare he boss? Sooul, Come on, don't do that, dude.

1933
01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:29,240
Speaker 1: You got to understand something like you do this bit

1934
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:30,920
Speaker 1: where you want me to like take a dump on

1935
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:35,280
Speaker 1: people's tattoos. You know, I don't mind doing it for strangers,

1936
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:37,120
Speaker 1: but like you got to remember something. Number one. Just

1937
01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:38,639
Speaker 1: put the camera on me for a second here, Mikey.

1938
01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:41,519
Speaker 1: Number one, what BC just doesn't get. So BC just

1939
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:44,360
Speaker 1: doesn't get First of all, let he who is without

1940
01:32:44,479 --> 01:32:47,439
Speaker 1: sin cast the first stone. I've got bad tattoos. In fact,

1941
01:32:47,479 --> 01:32:48,680
Speaker 1: most of the ones I have are bad. I only

1942
01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:50,800
Speaker 1: got a couple of good ones. That's it. Number one,

1943
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:55,040
Speaker 1: number two dude, BC, that's what you do. Understand. They're

1944
01:32:55,080 --> 01:32:58,960
Speaker 1: not getting tattoos for you or for me, They're getting

1945
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:02,040
Speaker 1: them for themselves. So, like, do I like that tattoo?

1946
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:03,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. If it's not for me, I'm not.

1947
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:08,719
Speaker 1: For example, I don't really like green on in most cases,

1948
01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:10,960
Speaker 1: I don't think it actually looks good as a tattoo color.

1949
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:13,479
Speaker 1: But that's very much my opinion that she's got a

1950
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:15,840
Speaker 1: roase tattoo something else, dude, that could have like the

1951
01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:19,880
Speaker 1: most amazing significance for them. That has nothing to do

1952
01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:21,680
Speaker 1: with me. So, like, you know, I don't want to

1953
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:24,960
Speaker 1: bag on. I don't mind judging the tattoos of assholes.

1954
01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:27,479
Speaker 1: I can. I'm happy to do that, okay, But like

1955
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:30,880
Speaker 1: you know that that's not very meaningful and you know, yeah,

1956
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:32,479
Speaker 1: is it my favorite? No, it's not my favorite.

1957
01:33:32,520 --> 01:33:35,559
Speaker 2: Would you judge a tattoo on Sowell's asshole? Though? Would

1958
01:33:35,560 --> 01:33:36,320
Speaker 2: you be wanting to do that?

1959
01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:38,120
Speaker 1: You know that I'd be a little bit I'd be

1960
01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:43,600
Speaker 1: a little bit more, you know, and I would have

1961
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:46,360
Speaker 1: a stronger say potentially un situationally.

1962
01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:49,559
Speaker 2: Well, all five of my animals right now are shelter rescues. Luke,

1963
01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:52,639
Speaker 2: I couldn't back this anymore. Shout out to yea lady

1964
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:56,400
Speaker 2: for doing that. I appreciate that. I hope that this

1965
01:33:56,520 --> 01:33:59,680
Speaker 2: little little bundle of joy you picked up, this pit

1966
01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:02,160
Speaker 2: bull mix brings you guys the same joy.

1967
01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:05,559
Speaker 1: Also, pugs are full of health problems, but I'm glad

1968
01:34:05,560 --> 01:34:06,519
Speaker 1: to see that there will.

1969
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:10,680
Speaker 2: Take Gary sawool and that lady with the leg tat

1970
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:13,280
Speaker 2: will love that thing for all its days. Luke, that's

1971
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:14,200
Speaker 2: truth about.

1972
01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:16,799
Speaker 1: Because of their health problems.

1973
01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:19,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, he loves MK. That's my guy. Let's go

1974
01:34:19,240 --> 01:34:20,920
Speaker 2: to Gary, he says, Hi, Luke and Brian. I had

1975
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:23,599
Speaker 2: the pleasure of repping m K at the largest high

1976
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:27,120
Speaker 2: school sprint race in the country at the ninety sixth

1977
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:32,400
Speaker 2: annual Stotsberry Cup Regatta on the Shykill River in Philly

1978
01:34:32,479 --> 01:34:37,240
Speaker 2: on Saturday. My son Alex Carpentier was in the DMV

1979
01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:42,439
Speaker 2: Powerhouse Gonzaga College Prep High School silver medallist one V

1980
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:48,720
Speaker 2: eight man boat for Gonzaga is the w M I

1981
01:34:49,160 --> 01:34:54,400
Speaker 2: r A Champs, which is DC city wide and now Young,

1982
01:34:55,160 --> 01:34:57,080
Speaker 2: what's the kid's named? Young Alex goes on to the

1983
01:34:57,160 --> 01:35:03,160
Speaker 2: Scholastic Rowing Association of America National Championships regatta in Oakridge,

1984
01:35:03,200 --> 01:35:08,360
Speaker 2: Tennessee this weekend. Gary says, we longtime viewers and loyal followers,

1985
01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:10,599
Speaker 2: look shout out to this dad right here, right.

1986
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:14,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. Gonzaga is right near the Capitol. It's off North

1987
01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:16,120
Speaker 1: Capitol Street as a matter of fact, which is the

1988
01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:20,640
Speaker 1: dividing line between northeast and northwest and DC. And you

1989
01:35:20,720 --> 01:35:22,760
Speaker 1: can see all the kids walking there. They always leave

1990
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:26,160
Speaker 1: the US. It's literally like across the street basically from

1991
01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:28,640
Speaker 1: the back end of Union Station right off there on

1992
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:31,439
Speaker 1: H Street, and uh, you'll see that. You'll see the

1993
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:33,679
Speaker 1: kids who go there. And there's a huge football field

1994
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:35,400
Speaker 1: right off North Capitol you can see it right there.

1995
01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:37,920
Speaker 1: And all the boys who go there have to wear

1996
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:40,080
Speaker 1: their shirts tucked in with khaki pants and they're all

1997
01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:42,200
Speaker 1: like buttoned up early morning. It's like a it's like

1998
01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:45,360
Speaker 1: a big powerhouse in the area for that. And like

1999
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:47,919
Speaker 1: in Maryland, Damatha are some of these like bigger programs.

2000
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:50,840
Speaker 2: Look, we tend to find a lot of washed white

2001
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:53,320
Speaker 2: males around our age. Gary looks like he's got older

2002
01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:55,200
Speaker 2: balls than us, but he looks in shape. He's wearing

2003
01:35:55,200 --> 01:35:57,800
Speaker 2: the empty one point merch. Shout out to that guy, right.

2004
01:35:57,960 --> 01:36:00,439
Speaker 1: What I know is artesticles are not impressed, but his

2005
01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:02,320
Speaker 1: probably sag Moore they are.

2006
01:36:02,439 --> 01:36:04,400
Speaker 2: They're way worse. But shout out to his son Alex,

2007
01:36:04,439 --> 01:36:06,400
Speaker 2: who seems to be doing well. I was trying to

2008
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:08,600
Speaker 2: get my kids on the rowing team or the what

2009
01:36:08,680 --> 01:36:10,120
Speaker 2: do you call that? Luke rowing?

2010
01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:12,360
Speaker 1: Right? What is it called? Dude? I gotta tell you,

2011
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:13,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, did I go to the

2012
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:15,519
Speaker 1: worst fucking high schools on earth because we didn't have

2013
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:16,280
Speaker 1: a rowing team.

2014
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:19,200
Speaker 2: But we didn't have a rowing team at Naggy High.

2015
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:21,240
Speaker 2: Remember that, but my kids do. By the way, my

2016
01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:24,080
Speaker 2: son yesterday as a freshman, Luke ran in the conference

2017
01:36:24,200 --> 01:36:26,559
Speaker 2: championships in track and field on the four by eight.

2018
01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:28,559
Speaker 2: I was real proud of him for qualifying this year.

2019
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:31,000
Speaker 2: So shout out to my son Chris and my man

2020
01:36:31,080 --> 01:36:33,559
Speaker 2: Isaac just the same harder, the hardest workers on the team,

2021
01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:35,120
Speaker 2: Luke or Campbell's you better believe that.

2022
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:37,440
Speaker 1: All right, let's go, let's go, let's go talking about.

2023
01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:39,080
Speaker 2: Let's go over to Todd. He says, Hey, guys, I

2024
01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:42,080
Speaker 2: came out of retirement when I heard that MMA journalists

2025
01:36:42,160 --> 01:36:45,240
Speaker 2: are the standard bearers for the levels of lung damage

2026
01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:49,840
Speaker 2: caused by vaping. Wow. And there's a picture of a

2027
01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:54,680
Speaker 2: team claiming vaping collapsed his lungs and made his insides

2028
01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:57,519
Speaker 2: look like that of a washed MMA journalist. Doesn't looks

2029
01:36:57,520 --> 01:36:59,040
Speaker 2: like a girl. Is that a girl? Luke?

2030
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:01,640
Speaker 1: I think he just has long hair. I don't know.

2031
01:37:03,240 --> 01:37:06,360
Speaker 1: But what I would say is, dude, these teens they

2032
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:08,640
Speaker 1: don't vape like you like. I mean, first of all,

2033
01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:12,200
Speaker 1: I haven't vaped in a while. Number one, number two,

2034
01:37:12,479 --> 01:37:17,960
Speaker 1: number two. These teens vape like uh, like it's a toy,

2035
01:37:18,240 --> 01:37:20,280
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like like a week.

2036
01:37:20,120 --> 01:37:22,840
Speaker 2: Ago, I saw you in person vaping in Jersey City,

2037
01:37:22,920 --> 01:37:23,559
Speaker 2: like a week ago.

2038
01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:26,000
Speaker 1: So no, no, I didn't have a vape. I had

2039
01:37:26,040 --> 01:37:30,360
Speaker 1: the wee pen. But that's the that's the same thing, right,

2040
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:34,880
Speaker 1: that's smoking. I consider that smoking. Vaping is Like, here's

2041
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:37,400
Speaker 1: what I would consider vaping, just pulling all the time

2042
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:40,840
Speaker 1: right everywhere you go. I don't do that. I don't

2043
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:43,439
Speaker 1: do that. I have strategic day parts of the day

2044
01:37:43,479 --> 01:37:47,599
Speaker 1: where I might do it, but that's it. But these kids,

2045
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:51,560
Speaker 1: these teenage morons, they just vape like there's like absolutely

2046
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:54,560
Speaker 1: no consequence to it and the most insane shit you

2047
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:56,960
Speaker 1: would ever see. And then they blow their lungs out

2048
01:37:56,960 --> 01:37:58,400
Speaker 1: and they're like, how this happen. It's like, well, you're

2049
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:00,439
Speaker 1: a fucking you know, Darwood Award winning dumbass.

2050
01:38:00,920 --> 01:38:02,559
Speaker 2: I'd like to act like I didn't spend a lot

2051
01:38:02,600 --> 01:38:04,360
Speaker 2: of time in the back of the Arby's parking lot

2052
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:07,280
Speaker 2: in Waterbury, Connecticut with fresh whippets, Luke. When it happened,

2053
01:38:07,400 --> 01:38:08,680
Speaker 2: that was there, it happened. All right.

2054
01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:10,920
Speaker 1: Let me just say something, dude, if you during if

2055
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:13,960
Speaker 1: you're doing whippets at the back of an Arby's, park

2056
01:38:14,040 --> 01:38:16,680
Speaker 1: the car and just walk into traffic and stay there,

2057
01:38:16,760 --> 01:38:17,240
Speaker 1: they just do.

2058
01:38:17,360 --> 01:38:20,080
Speaker 2: The best part is that's actually where we did it,

2059
01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:21,760
Speaker 2: because it was right down the street from the store

2060
01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:23,400
Speaker 2: that sold them, Luke. So it was like, yeah, let's

2061
01:38:23,400 --> 01:38:25,800
Speaker 2: go to the Arby's by the dumpster. We'll just uh yeah,

2062
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:28,000
Speaker 2: I mean you know, I mean, wow, you know, Luke,

2063
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:29,760
Speaker 2: I regret most of my life. To be fair, Hey,

2064
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:31,720
Speaker 2: let's go over to r J. I don't think I.

2065
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:33,519
Speaker 1: Want to follow on that real quickly. Like, I know,

2066
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:35,559
Speaker 1: we have to move the show along. But people always

2067
01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:37,240
Speaker 1: ask me like, hey, what part of your life would

2068
01:38:37,280 --> 01:38:40,559
Speaker 1: you go back to? And I'm like, I've hated most

2069
01:38:40,640 --> 01:38:45,360
Speaker 1: of it. I've found it like awful and embarrassing in

2070
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:49,519
Speaker 1: large large quantities. Like I don't know, man, that means you.

2071
01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:52,160
Speaker 2: Really lived it though, right, You weren't boring. You didn't

2072
01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:54,240
Speaker 2: stay home, Luke all the time you lived that life.

2073
01:38:54,600 --> 01:38:56,880
Speaker 1: I guess the answer is college, I guess, but I

2074
01:38:56,920 --> 01:38:59,040
Speaker 1: don't know, because then I still have to relive my

2075
01:38:59,120 --> 01:39:00,719
Speaker 1: mom's death, like it's all terrible anyway.

2076
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:02,519
Speaker 2: Oh no, come on, come on, we don't do that. Hey,

2077
01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:04,360
Speaker 2: let's go over to r J, he says sub donks

2078
01:39:04,520 --> 01:39:08,120
Speaker 2: RJ here showing off the MK hat at a wage

2079
01:39:08,200 --> 01:39:10,439
Speaker 2: war and SPIKEE show, Luke, what is wage war?

2080
01:39:10,520 --> 01:39:10,920
Speaker 1: In spite?

2081
01:39:11,560 --> 01:39:12,080
Speaker 2: Is that a band?

2082
01:39:13,080 --> 01:39:16,599
Speaker 1: I mean there's a million metal bands that I've never

2083
01:39:16,680 --> 01:39:19,519
Speaker 1: heard of. People think people think I have something encyclopedic knowledge.

2084
01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:20,719
Speaker 1: I have nothing of the sort.

2085
01:39:21,120 --> 01:39:23,120
Speaker 2: Yeah you don't. I mean you said you people are

2086
01:39:23,240 --> 01:39:25,600
Speaker 2: still killing you for shouting out medmen and Taurus d

2087
01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:27,640
Speaker 2: Las Vegas when you should be going down the you know,

2088
01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:28,599
Speaker 2: outside the strip.

2089
01:39:28,720 --> 01:39:31,519
Speaker 1: Hey, we go to medmen because it's walkable on foot.

2090
01:39:31,720 --> 01:39:33,920
Speaker 2: That's why if it's good enough for Bob Aaron, it's

2091
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:36,760
Speaker 2: good enough for for MK. I'll tell you that. R

2092
01:39:36,840 --> 01:39:38,840
Speaker 2: J says, I got a VID of one of the

2093
01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:42,200
Speaker 2: pits here, and I'm wondering how long BC would last

2094
01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:44,439
Speaker 2: in one of these. When Luke takes him to a

2095
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:47,679
Speaker 2: show Much Love Fellas, Hey, I haven't lost okay bet yet,

2096
01:39:47,720 --> 01:40:23,200
Speaker 2: but let's see this thing, dude.

2097
01:40:23,240 --> 01:40:24,680
Speaker 1: That was pretty good, a little bit of I think

2098
01:40:24,720 --> 01:40:26,200
Speaker 1: I was like Death Corp. That was pretty good.

2099
01:40:26,840 --> 01:40:27,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2100
01:40:27,080 --> 01:40:29,800
Speaker 2: I mean, you know of my favorite genres right now

2101
01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:33,720
Speaker 2: of music, Luke's Satan rock is not really that high

2102
01:40:33,800 --> 01:40:35,680
Speaker 2: up there, but I'll shout out that. Arg that's not

2103
01:40:35,880 --> 01:40:37,760
Speaker 2: r J dunkle Maker, that's a different one. But shout

2104
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:39,960
Speaker 2: out to him. Wearing our merchant public I represent that.

2105
01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:43,320
Speaker 2: And to answer his question, I would not last twenty

2106
01:40:43,360 --> 01:40:45,320
Speaker 2: five seconds. Yeah, let me put Let me be around

2107
01:40:45,360 --> 01:40:47,400
Speaker 2: a bunch of weirdos, Luke. We are doing spinning back

2108
01:40:47,439 --> 01:40:50,160
Speaker 2: elbows as I as I watch somebody screaming, yeah.

2109
01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:51,800
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't stay on the floor when I

2110
01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:53,400
Speaker 1: go to these shows. I go to the upper deck.

2111
01:40:53,439 --> 01:40:56,439
Speaker 1: I don't I'm forty three. I'm not trying to you know,

2112
01:40:57,960 --> 01:41:00,320
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to have extra dentist bills at age

2113
01:41:00,360 --> 01:41:02,160
Speaker 1: forty three. Like, no, I'm not doing that shit.

2114
01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:06,200
Speaker 2: Let's go over to Ballal, he says, Morning, Luke and BC.

2115
01:41:06,680 --> 01:41:11,760
Speaker 2: This is Bellall pronounced bill All, bill All here from

2116
01:41:11,880 --> 01:41:16,240
Speaker 2: the PNW by the way of Karachi, Pakistan, keeping up

2117
01:41:16,280 --> 01:41:20,080
Speaker 2: with last week's trend of unconventional MK listeners that BC

2118
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:24,400
Speaker 2: wishes didn't exist here. I am a Muslim Pakistani American

2119
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:27,200
Speaker 2: about to start my fourth year of medical school, listening

2120
01:41:27,280 --> 01:41:30,320
Speaker 2: to you old Fox all day nearly every day. Being

2121
01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:33,040
Speaker 2: an immigrant and having a non white name are two

2122
01:41:33,120 --> 01:41:36,920
Speaker 2: reasons why BC wishes Guantamino would come get me Wow.

2123
01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:39,720
Speaker 2: But I wanted to take this opportunity to make him

2124
01:41:39,800 --> 01:41:41,800
Speaker 2: hate me further by calling him out. I'm being a

2125
01:41:41,880 --> 01:41:45,479
Speaker 2: total shithead about name pronunciations. I would give him a

2126
01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:48,559
Speaker 2: taste of his own medicine by calling him brain instead

2127
01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:52,040
Speaker 2: of Brian. But unfortunately his brain is as decayed and

2128
01:41:52,160 --> 01:41:55,120
Speaker 2: battered as his liver, along with the rest of his

2129
01:41:55,320 --> 01:41:59,400
Speaker 2: decrepit existence. I have been analyzing your personalities and I've

2130
01:41:59,400 --> 01:42:01,800
Speaker 2: been working on interesting piece which I will submit soon

2131
01:42:02,240 --> 01:42:04,439
Speaker 2: until then, I am sorry. My name is not as

2132
01:42:04,520 --> 01:42:07,559
Speaker 2: dull as yours, Brian. If you were food, you would

2133
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:12,240
Speaker 2: taste as bland as oatmeal. All love though, you bitter,

2134
01:42:12,680 --> 01:42:18,559
Speaker 2: insipid understanding moldy fuck love you guys. It's belall be all,

2135
01:42:19,680 --> 01:42:22,400
Speaker 2: Bill All, it's here.

2136
01:42:22,479 --> 01:42:23,720
Speaker 1: I'm not what did I do?

2137
01:42:24,920 --> 01:42:29,040
Speaker 2: Here's his meme of Luke's Yeah. I mean that's fair, Luke.

2138
01:42:29,080 --> 01:42:30,480
Speaker 2: I don't think the fan subs.

2139
01:42:30,240 --> 01:42:32,760
Speaker 1: Are for you for per se rubs?

2140
01:42:33,240 --> 01:42:35,080
Speaker 2: All right, all right, I don't know why I got

2141
01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:37,680
Speaker 2: roasted by Bill All? Why look do I look? I mean,

2142
01:42:37,680 --> 01:42:39,840
Speaker 2: I I've had issues with Japan, Luke, but I have

2143
01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:42,920
Speaker 2: prepared those I don't think I've had issues with anybody

2144
01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:47,960
Speaker 2: else out all right, I'm not out here doing that, Luke.

2145
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:51,440
Speaker 1: All Right again, it's not red son it's red Sonia.

2146
01:42:52,240 --> 01:42:55,320
Speaker 2: Not even Sonya, Luke, it's not even that. Okay, But Luke,

2147
01:42:55,360 --> 01:42:58,040
Speaker 2: do you have any comments about uh? Bill All?

2148
01:42:59,000 --> 01:43:01,280
Speaker 1: Put more big boodylets and the fan subs. It's an

2149
01:43:01,320 --> 01:43:02,760
Speaker 1: easy win. All right.

2150
01:43:02,840 --> 01:43:05,240
Speaker 2: There you go, Thank you for your contribution, sir, and

2151
01:43:05,360 --> 01:43:10,639
Speaker 2: your roast. Let's go over to k hey Keangion here

2152
01:43:11,120 --> 01:43:13,759
Speaker 2: or k But I wanted BC to try and pronounce

2153
01:43:13,800 --> 01:43:16,360
Speaker 2: my Korean name again, just sending in a pick of

2154
01:43:16,520 --> 01:43:19,240
Speaker 2: the MK Polo. It fits well and it looks nice.

2155
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:23,439
Speaker 2: You have at least one Korean MK fan, But that's

2156
01:43:23,560 --> 01:43:27,520
Speaker 2: still not gonna help b C with that Risen karate.

2157
01:43:27,360 --> 01:43:31,760
Speaker 1: Chopp to back. Hey, hey, could k glue more shit

2158
01:43:31,880 --> 01:43:33,719
Speaker 1: to his uh fridge?

2159
01:43:35,240 --> 01:43:37,880
Speaker 2: Yeah? But houses cable management, that's the real question. Look

2160
01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:38,840
Speaker 2: probably pretty good, right.

2161
01:43:39,120 --> 01:43:41,519
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, is you ever seen that, like, uh,

2162
01:43:41,920 --> 01:43:44,880
Speaker 1: it's always sunny in Philadelphia, like Meme where the guys

2163
01:43:44,920 --> 01:43:46,920
Speaker 1: are trying to create a conspiracy theory on like the

2164
01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:49,800
Speaker 1: back wall, and he's got all those papers and like

2165
01:43:49,880 --> 01:43:53,960
Speaker 1: everything's kind of connected to this nonsense idea. My man

2166
01:43:54,120 --> 01:43:56,479
Speaker 1: is just doing the same thing on his fridge. Bro.

2167
01:43:57,160 --> 01:43:58,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Luke, doesn't he look good in that Polo?

2168
01:43:58,960 --> 01:43:59,840
Speaker 2: Doesn't he look like you work?

2169
01:44:00,040 --> 01:44:00,840
Speaker 1: Polo is nice?

2170
01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:05,600
Speaker 2: I have to say that Polo is ku or kangi on.

2171
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:08,520
Speaker 2: Thank you for your fan hood, thank you for representing

2172
01:44:08,600 --> 01:44:12,479
Speaker 2: Korean MK fans everywhere, and thank you for forgiving me

2173
01:44:12,600 --> 01:44:15,120
Speaker 2: about the rising debacle.

2174
01:44:15,479 --> 01:44:17,360
Speaker 1: You know what, we never have enough of on the road.

2175
01:44:17,400 --> 01:44:21,120
Speaker 1: I don't think we've ever had Korean barbecue on the road, dude, No,

2176
01:44:21,320 --> 01:44:24,840
Speaker 1: we have not. Korean barbecue is like living doesn't get

2177
01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:27,600
Speaker 1: much better than Korean barbecue. I'll just be honest about that.

2178
01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:30,160
Speaker 1: Korean barbecue top of the food Chaine.

2179
01:44:30,160 --> 01:44:31,960
Speaker 2: All right, we got to do it together because I've

2180
01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:34,960
Speaker 2: had it before. And they bring out like fifty different

2181
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:37,360
Speaker 2: small cups of things that look really weird and then

2182
01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:39,320
Speaker 2: you try them and they're weird? Am I being racist

2183
01:44:39,360 --> 01:44:40,120
Speaker 2: here correctly?

2184
01:44:40,280 --> 01:44:40,479
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2185
01:44:41,000 --> 01:44:44,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm being correct Yeah, thank you very much.

2186
01:44:44,439 --> 01:44:46,760
Speaker 2: All right, let's go over to average Joe R.

2187
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:47,280
Speaker 1: Luke.

2188
01:44:47,320 --> 01:44:47,920
Speaker 2: He's on fire.

2189
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:51,879
Speaker 1: You're bringing these weird things like delicious beef and you know, kimchi.

2190
01:44:52,520 --> 01:44:55,080
Speaker 2: I don't think it's racist to not like certain foods, Luke.

2191
01:44:54,960 --> 01:44:58,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. Here's the thing. You're not person racist.

2192
01:44:58,080 --> 01:45:00,200
Speaker 1: We should talk about this for just a second. You're

2193
01:45:00,280 --> 01:45:03,080
Speaker 1: not person racist, Like there's nothing in your heart where

2194
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:05,760
Speaker 1: based on how they look, you know who they what

2195
01:45:05,840 --> 01:45:07,720
Speaker 1: they believe in, where you're going to discriminate against them.

2196
01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:08,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you work with me, and we have a

2197
01:45:08,920 --> 01:45:10,680
Speaker 1: lot of things. We're not a part or we're apart on.

2198
01:45:10,840 --> 01:45:13,000
Speaker 1: But I've seen you, I've seen you interact with the staff.

2199
01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:14,439
Speaker 1: I've seen your acting with people in the street like

2200
01:45:14,479 --> 01:45:16,040
Speaker 1: you have a you have a heart of gold, and

2201
01:45:16,160 --> 01:45:19,800
Speaker 1: I mean that. But when it comes to food, you're

2202
01:45:19,960 --> 01:45:22,720
Speaker 1: food racist. You know what I'm saying. Like I could

2203
01:45:22,840 --> 01:45:25,160
Speaker 1: never get you to go eat at a West African place.

2204
01:45:25,200 --> 01:45:27,600
Speaker 1: You just be like, I'm food racist. But you know,

2205
01:45:28,400 --> 01:45:31,200
Speaker 1: let's be Pakistani. You're two food racists for that.

2206
01:45:31,439 --> 01:45:33,439
Speaker 2: No, No, let's put respect on my wife's name, Luke.

2207
01:45:33,520 --> 01:45:35,280
Speaker 2: She took me when the only thing I ate was

2208
01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:38,240
Speaker 2: like Italian food and cheeseburgers, and she she molded me

2209
01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:41,160
Speaker 2: into a cultural man. All right, thank you.

2210
01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:43,920
Speaker 1: Now you're you're you're a food racist? Is the issue?

2211
01:45:45,200 --> 01:45:47,519
Speaker 1: This weird shit in Korea? You mean like delicious food

2212
01:45:47,560 --> 01:45:48,799
Speaker 1: that they're known for. Motherfucker.

2213
01:45:50,320 --> 01:45:52,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that was like fifteen years ago.

2214
01:45:52,120 --> 01:45:55,000
Speaker 1: Food racist. You're a food racist.

2215
01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:58,320
Speaker 2: You know where do you think k Kang Gion lives? Look,

2216
01:45:58,360 --> 01:46:00,880
Speaker 2: we should I'd love to go to Korean barbecue with him?

2217
01:46:00,960 --> 01:46:03,040
Speaker 2: Or is that racist even suggest that? No?

2218
01:46:03,200 --> 01:46:05,040
Speaker 1: I bet he knows a good spot. Always ask the

2219
01:46:05,120 --> 01:46:06,880
Speaker 1: locals what they know. You know what I'm saying, he

2220
01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:07,439
Speaker 1: probably does.

2221
01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:10,840
Speaker 2: Average Joe Art says Hi Brian and Luke, I guess

2222
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:12,800
Speaker 2: I couldn't stay away more than a week. I've got

2223
01:46:12,840 --> 01:46:16,320
Speaker 2: two ideas for you, pulling from the MK vernacular that

2224
01:46:16,439 --> 01:46:20,040
Speaker 2: borrows and may or may not relate to the fan

2225
01:46:20,120 --> 01:46:22,200
Speaker 2: base of a similar age. The first is as that

2226
01:46:22,280 --> 01:46:23,559
Speaker 2: I remember, So this guy is.

2227
01:46:23,640 --> 01:46:28,839
Speaker 1: Turning in grand slams every fuck in the league. Seriously,

2228
01:46:29,040 --> 01:46:30,160
Speaker 1: what the fuck?

2229
01:46:31,080 --> 01:46:33,160
Speaker 2: He says. The first is a classic that I remember

2230
01:46:33,240 --> 01:46:36,160
Speaker 2: as a kid before it was redesigned a half dozen times.

2231
01:46:36,320 --> 01:46:38,800
Speaker 2: Skits and Bits is the second one based on the

2232
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:48,400
Speaker 2: classic eighties Chuck E Cheese logo. Oh dude, wow, this

2233
01:46:48,600 --> 01:46:49,160
Speaker 2: pulls at.

2234
01:46:49,120 --> 01:46:51,160
Speaker 1: A level like if you weren't around in the eighties,

2235
01:46:51,240 --> 01:46:53,639
Speaker 1: you just won't, or nineties even like you just won't,

2236
01:46:53,680 --> 01:46:58,520
Speaker 1: It just won't mean the same thing. But holy shit balls.

2237
01:46:58,439 --> 01:47:00,320
Speaker 2: And he says. The other one, Luke, is based on

2238
01:47:00,400 --> 01:47:03,040
Speaker 2: the champagne of Beers Miller High Life because but Light

2239
01:47:03,120 --> 01:47:05,920
Speaker 2: won't pay me nothing, right, brock and should resonate with

2240
01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:08,320
Speaker 2: a certain section of the MK fan base that loves

2241
01:47:08,360 --> 01:47:11,040
Speaker 2: them some dub t beer not as detailed as the

2242
01:47:11,120 --> 01:47:14,800
Speaker 2: illustrated shirts, but looks different. Looks are fun, And if

2243
01:47:14,840 --> 01:47:18,320
Speaker 2: we can't get together and create a morning combat Morning

2244
01:47:18,479 --> 01:47:22,200
Speaker 2: Combat parody t like Lucas sub Zero and Brian is

2245
01:47:22,280 --> 01:47:26,840
Speaker 2: Johnny Cage featuring a character selection of previous MK guest hosts.

2246
01:47:27,400 --> 01:47:30,120
Speaker 2: What are we even doing? We can even make a

2247
01:47:30,280 --> 01:47:34,320
Speaker 2: donk version of the MK Dragon logo. The possibilities are endless, Luke,

2248
01:47:34,320 --> 01:47:39,000
Speaker 2: would you like more Mourning Combat? Mortal Combat? That's what

2249
01:47:39,080 --> 01:47:40,760
Speaker 2: I meant to say before crossover?

2250
01:47:40,840 --> 01:47:42,439
Speaker 1: Would you like to I want to buy the new

2251
01:47:42,680 --> 01:47:44,960
Speaker 1: I want to buy the new game, dude, for the PC.

2252
01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:47,280
Speaker 1: Do you know how big that game is in terms

2253
01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:50,120
Speaker 1: of the amount of gigs it ticks up? No, dude,

2254
01:47:50,240 --> 01:47:53,320
Speaker 1: the new Mortal Mortal Kombat that they just advertised, that

2255
01:47:53,439 --> 01:47:56,720
Speaker 1: motherfucker is one hundred gigs. Dude. Yeah, I'm not one

2256
01:47:56,800 --> 01:47:57,559
Speaker 1: hundred gigs.

2257
01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:00,960
Speaker 2: I'm into the new Fortnite Ranked mode and right now, Luke,

2258
01:48:00,960 --> 01:48:02,639
Speaker 2: you know I'm ranked high in silver. I mean, I'm

2259
01:48:02,640 --> 01:48:04,760
Speaker 2: making moves against a lot of probably punk kids. But

2260
01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:07,639
Speaker 2: you know this dad, Reggie's dad, Won is my sign

2261
01:48:07,680 --> 01:48:08,000
Speaker 2: on name.

2262
01:48:08,080 --> 01:48:09,920
Speaker 1: We talked ship to kids on like do you put

2263
01:48:09,960 --> 01:48:11,600
Speaker 1: the headset on and be like yo, I'm gonna go.

2264
01:48:11,640 --> 01:48:14,600
Speaker 2: Find Yeah, I'm not a headset guy, but sometimes the

2265
01:48:14,720 --> 01:48:17,000
Speaker 2: settings are off and somebody's yelling at me through the screen,

2266
01:48:17,080 --> 01:48:18,280
Speaker 2: and you know it gets weird.

2267
01:48:18,120 --> 01:48:20,400
Speaker 1: Luke, But dude, I would definitely if I had like

2268
01:48:20,400 --> 01:48:22,360
Speaker 1: a thirteen year old kid, I would definitely threaten to

2269
01:48:22,400 --> 01:48:24,560
Speaker 1: bang his mom the entire time we're playing. This is

2270
01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:26,960
Speaker 1: getting too far, Luke, I'd be like, you keep you

2271
01:48:27,080 --> 01:48:29,160
Speaker 1: keep getting smart mouthed with me, mister, and you know

2272
01:48:30,360 --> 01:48:32,400
Speaker 1: we got to get huh.

2273
01:48:32,800 --> 01:48:35,200
Speaker 2: We got to do something with all these average joe

2274
01:48:35,240 --> 01:48:37,760
Speaker 2: our ideas for merch. Right, maybe we can get RJ

2275
01:48:37,920 --> 01:48:39,800
Speaker 2: back here too and just collaborate and just make it

2276
01:48:39,880 --> 01:48:40,320
Speaker 2: all happen.

2277
01:48:40,640 --> 01:48:42,600
Speaker 1: Right. We should, we should, we.

2278
01:48:42,600 --> 01:48:44,920
Speaker 2: Should thank you? Uh to close here, Look, I think

2279
01:48:44,920 --> 01:48:47,479
Speaker 2: I've got two more from some heavy hitters. Here's David A.

2280
01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:50,479
Speaker 2: You know, happy right, Hi guys. When Brian suggested I

2281
01:48:50,560 --> 01:48:53,519
Speaker 2: needed to do a redemption tour following my behavior in London,

2282
01:48:53,720 --> 01:48:55,640
Speaker 2: I really didn't know what he was talking about. But

2283
01:48:55,720 --> 01:48:59,439
Speaker 2: on the recent og RSD episode, Luke spelled out how

2284
01:49:00,720 --> 01:49:03,960
Speaker 2: Larry I was that night. L A I R Y

2285
01:49:04,200 --> 01:49:06,960
Speaker 2: was that? What the hell's that word, Luke, and something

2286
01:49:07,120 --> 01:49:10,479
Speaker 2: in my brain clicked much love and sincere apologies for

2287
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:13,160
Speaker 2: being such an old, drunk dickhead. The irony is that

2288
01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:15,400
Speaker 2: I came to London determined to prove that I am

2289
01:49:15,560 --> 01:49:19,720
Speaker 2: not an international sex best but a perfect normal family guy.

2290
01:49:20,040 --> 01:49:22,080
Speaker 2: But at eleven am that day of the live show,

2291
01:49:22,120 --> 01:49:25,240
Speaker 2: I met up with my old friends Pisshead Paul and

2292
01:49:25,400 --> 01:49:28,360
Speaker 2: Big Dick Tim for a couple of drinks. What could

2293
01:49:28,400 --> 01:49:32,280
Speaker 2: possibly go wrong? I said, I thought, redemption though starts here,

2294
01:49:32,840 --> 01:49:36,639
Speaker 2: Appy ps. Did you boys ever drink the top French

2295
01:49:36,760 --> 01:49:39,360
Speaker 2: wine I gave you? Or did I steal it back

2296
01:49:39,439 --> 01:49:41,160
Speaker 2: off of you at the end of the night. Luke,

2297
01:49:41,640 --> 01:49:44,120
Speaker 2: what happened to that bottle of wine that drunk as

2298
01:49:44,400 --> 01:49:45,599
Speaker 2: shit Appy gave us?

2299
01:49:46,800 --> 01:49:50,040
Speaker 1: I never got a bottle, so I don't know what

2300
01:49:50,160 --> 01:49:50,960
Speaker 1: he's talking about.

2301
01:49:51,200 --> 01:49:54,880
Speaker 2: No, you did he handed it to you, Luke, Dude, I.

2302
01:49:54,880 --> 01:49:56,960
Speaker 1: Would have taken that home by the time I got

2303
01:49:57,080 --> 01:49:59,720
Speaker 1: back to my room that night, because the show was

2304
01:49:59,760 --> 01:50:02,120
Speaker 1: at night, I didn't have any wine. So I don't

2305
01:50:02,160 --> 01:50:02,759
Speaker 1: know what happened.

2306
01:50:02,760 --> 01:50:04,960
Speaker 2: But I see it. Let's see his video here that

2307
01:50:05,000 --> 01:50:44,280
Speaker 2: he's referencing, Mikey, could you play the visit? I don't

2308
01:50:44,320 --> 01:50:45,120
Speaker 2: know what just happened?

2309
01:50:45,160 --> 01:50:48,240
Speaker 1: Do you did he use one of those shitty AI

2310
01:50:48,360 --> 01:50:54,160
Speaker 1: tools we were referencing earlier? Because that's what I do appreciate.

2311
01:50:54,160 --> 01:50:58,200
Speaker 1: It looked like the dream of some like computational fucking program.

2312
01:50:58,760 --> 01:51:00,479
Speaker 2: He did bring us wine. I'm I'm trying to think.

2313
01:51:00,479 --> 01:51:01,519
Speaker 2: Did it end up in my room?

2314
01:51:01,920 --> 01:51:03,880
Speaker 1: Mikey, do you have the wine? Did? I didn't get any?

2315
01:51:04,400 --> 01:51:05,679
Speaker 1: I did not get a bottle of wine?

2316
01:51:06,120 --> 01:51:08,559
Speaker 2: All right, Luke, do you believe him? Because we've had

2317
01:51:08,600 --> 01:51:10,200
Speaker 2: a lot of Mikey does not have the wine. We

2318
01:51:10,320 --> 01:51:12,040
Speaker 2: had a lot of debate heading into the show. There

2319
01:51:12,120 --> 01:51:15,920
Speaker 2: was an international scare when we talk about Interpol. You know,

2320
01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:18,160
Speaker 2: members of our staff were afraid that Appy would show

2321
01:51:18,240 --> 01:51:20,759
Speaker 2: up and be the drunken sex pest. We all assumed

2322
01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:23,920
Speaker 2: he was, and I did argue for his reputation, Luke,

2323
01:51:24,040 --> 01:51:26,759
Speaker 2: after meeting him, after seeing all of his fan subs

2324
01:51:26,800 --> 01:51:30,759
Speaker 2: and learning of the legend of this Cosby esque teacher.

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Speaker 2: Is he the character drunken sex pest he portrays on

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Speaker 2: TV here on Morning Combat or is he a normal

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01:51:38,640 --> 01:51:42,160
Speaker 2: family man teacher who loves to mold the youth of tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: He's normal, but I could not tell you whether or

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01:51:45,720 --> 01:51:49,040
Speaker 1: not he's housebroken. That part I couldn't tell you.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, all right, let's go over to Alan w

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01:51:54,840 --> 01:51:58,719
Speaker 2: he says, the big Beige the donk abides, Oh.

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01:51:58,800 --> 01:51:59,920
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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01:52:01,320 --> 01:52:04,000
Speaker 2: I never thought of myself as the as the guy

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01:52:04,120 --> 01:52:05,160
Speaker 2: from what movie is that?

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01:52:05,280 --> 01:52:05,400
Speaker 1: Luke?

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01:52:05,439 --> 01:52:08,800
Speaker 2: It's off the typic of Big Lebowski. That's right, the dude,

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01:52:08,920 --> 01:52:10,320
Speaker 2: the dude from Big Lebowski?

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01:52:10,720 --> 01:52:11,760
Speaker 1: That is what is that?

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01:52:11,960 --> 01:52:12,360
Speaker 2: What is that?

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01:52:13,479 --> 01:52:15,200
Speaker 1: So he's not wearing a drug rocket. This one is

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01:52:15,200 --> 01:52:17,160
Speaker 1: more like a jacket or a coat what do you call?

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01:52:18,200 --> 01:52:22,160
Speaker 2: I don't know. That is possibly in that category. Yeah,

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01:52:22,280 --> 01:52:25,760
Speaker 2: I like that though. Then he's got another one that says, hey, BC,

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01:52:25,960 --> 01:52:27,879
Speaker 2: you're welcome. Here's Brian's angels.

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01:52:28,840 --> 01:52:30,800
Speaker 1: Holy, oh my.

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01:52:31,320 --> 01:52:32,960
Speaker 2: God, it says once.

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01:52:34,320 --> 01:52:35,120
Speaker 1: Now they work for Brian.

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01:52:35,360 --> 01:52:38,920
Speaker 2: Wow, that's the dream, Alan, isn't it? Isn't it, Luke?

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01:52:39,520 --> 01:52:39,800
Speaker 1: Isn't it?

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01:52:40,040 --> 01:52:40,320
Speaker 2: This is?

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01:52:40,560 --> 01:52:44,880
Speaker 1: This is your kind of lady Eastern European and uh,

2352
01:52:45,479 --> 01:52:49,160
Speaker 1: they could beat the fuck out of you and you

2353
01:52:49,280 --> 01:52:51,040
Speaker 1: have no possible chance with them.

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01:52:51,960 --> 01:52:54,160
Speaker 2: It's awesome haircut white.

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01:52:54,920 --> 01:52:56,599
Speaker 1: You also like you like the white ladies, dude, Let's

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01:52:56,600 --> 01:52:57,160
Speaker 1: be honest about that.

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01:52:57,200 --> 01:52:59,959
Speaker 2: You like the white ladies, Luke, I'm an equal opportunity

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01:53:00,040 --> 01:53:01,280
Speaker 2: the employer in those areas.

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01:53:01,680 --> 01:53:03,240
Speaker 1: Like you like the white ladies.

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01:53:04,320 --> 01:53:06,400
Speaker 2: It's okay, to have a specific area of the globe

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01:53:06,439 --> 01:53:09,439
Speaker 2: that you trend toward. That's okay, Luke's fine. I like

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01:53:09,520 --> 01:53:09,920
Speaker 2: what I like.

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01:53:10,200 --> 01:53:12,600
Speaker 1: You know, you know what I'm saying, Like, I'm not you.

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01:53:12,840 --> 01:53:15,240
Speaker 1: You just deny that it's true. I'm asking you to

2365
01:53:15,360 --> 01:53:16,280
Speaker 1: admit it. That's all.

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01:53:17,240 --> 01:53:20,760
Speaker 2: I married a beautiful Irish Lithuanian woman, Luca. You gonna

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01:53:20,760 --> 01:53:23,240
Speaker 2: have to deal with that, all right, all right, okay, Yeah,

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01:53:23,280 --> 01:53:26,479
Speaker 2: that's that's the truth right there. Uh he. Alan also says,

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01:53:26,520 --> 01:53:29,120
Speaker 2: while I understand the propensity to go overboard with the

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01:53:29,160 --> 01:53:32,560
Speaker 2: shenanigans during room service diaries, one point, oh, I do

2371
01:53:32,680 --> 01:53:35,519
Speaker 2: hope you guys do them more often moving forward. Here's

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01:53:35,560 --> 01:53:37,439
Speaker 2: a thumbnail I made for you for your.

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01:53:37,439 --> 01:53:41,360
Speaker 1: Next rsd Oh dear god.

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01:53:41,880 --> 01:53:44,360
Speaker 2: Wow. That should be a poster in our studio if

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01:53:44,400 --> 01:53:45,360
Speaker 2: we ever go back there.

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01:53:45,640 --> 01:53:49,120
Speaker 1: Wow, made in France, thirty two leaves to that these

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01:53:49,240 --> 01:53:52,800
Speaker 1: are that is so good. I don't even know what

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01:53:52,960 --> 01:53:53,320
Speaker 1: YEAH say.

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01:53:54,200 --> 01:53:56,080
Speaker 2: And you know what, Alan's got one more for us.

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01:53:56,160 --> 01:53:59,400
Speaker 2: He says, while it was a fantastic chess match last

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01:53:59,439 --> 01:54:02,720
Speaker 2: Saturday of Haini Loma, I'm confident saying that Hani is

2382
01:54:02,760 --> 01:54:06,800
Speaker 2: a placeholder with the undisputed lightweight championship. Thirty one year

2383
01:54:06,840 --> 01:54:09,639
Speaker 2: old Loma would have beaten Haley cleanly. With that said,

2384
01:54:10,000 --> 01:54:12,600
Speaker 2: the heir apparent to the championship showed up in the

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01:54:12,680 --> 01:54:16,160
Speaker 2: ring after the fight, Shaker. Stevenson, a photographer, took a

2386
01:54:16,240 --> 01:54:18,559
Speaker 2: great photo with Shaquer staring at Haney with a pure

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01:54:18,600 --> 01:54:21,479
Speaker 2: desire and lust to take away the gold from him.

2388
01:54:21,880 --> 01:54:26,479
Speaker 2: This powerful juxtaposition of Shakur's lust for the undisputed lightweight title.

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01:54:26,560 --> 01:54:29,360
Speaker 2: That is that is pretty good, Luke, that is pretty

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01:54:29,439 --> 01:54:29,840
Speaker 2: damn good.

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01:54:31,320 --> 01:54:34,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, these are absolutely excellent.

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01:54:34,600 --> 01:54:38,920
Speaker 2: Those are You know, Allen W. Luke. I accidentally left

2393
01:54:39,000 --> 01:54:42,080
Speaker 2: him off of the nominees originally for Dank of the

2394
01:54:42,120 --> 01:54:44,240
Speaker 2: Year last year. And you know who fought for Mikey

2395
01:54:44,280 --> 01:54:47,320
Speaker 2: Mormle fought for Alan w And you know.

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01:54:47,360 --> 01:54:50,160
Speaker 1: That the fan subs man people get bitter like danger

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01:54:50,280 --> 01:54:52,480
Speaker 1: Mouse got bitter at us. I you know, there's a

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01:54:52,520 --> 01:54:54,320
Speaker 1: couple other people right now who are bitter at us,

2399
01:54:54,480 --> 01:54:57,280
Speaker 1: bitter at me. Maybe I don't even know, but guys

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01:54:57,480 --> 01:55:00,440
Speaker 1: like we appreciate all of them. We might salt them.

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01:55:00,440 --> 01:55:02,480
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean we don't like him, actually means like we're

2402
01:55:02,520 --> 01:55:05,720
Speaker 1: just having fun with it. And uh, that's what we do.

2403
01:55:05,920 --> 01:55:08,640
Speaker 1: Like I never say anything nice about Brian on purpose,

2404
01:55:08,720 --> 01:55:11,760
Speaker 1: partly because it's true, but also because it's the show.

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01:55:11,840 --> 01:55:14,840
Speaker 1: That's that's the bit we kill each other, that's the bit.

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01:55:14,920 --> 01:55:16,920
Speaker 2: Guys, we got one more for you, Luke from a

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01:55:16,960 --> 01:55:20,120
Speaker 2: fellow named two Chang's. This guy's a grifter. He's the

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01:55:20,160 --> 01:55:22,760
Speaker 2: guy that's created some of the most well known songs

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01:55:22,800 --> 01:55:25,120
Speaker 2: in Reddit history. Luke, he's got something about this Smart

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01:55:25,160 --> 01:55:25,600
Speaker 2: Cage that.

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01:55:26,360 --> 01:55:28,560
Speaker 1: It's their calling card, it's the tournament system. Because it's

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01:55:28,560 --> 01:55:30,680
Speaker 1: sure as hell, isn't the Smart Cage The Smart Cage

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01:55:30,720 --> 01:55:35,720
Speaker 1: didn't do this deal? Luke? You said that at three

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01:55:35,800 --> 01:55:38,680
Speaker 1: miles per hour. I'll be you know, if the Smart

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01:55:38,720 --> 01:55:40,920
Speaker 1: Cage did the deal, then you know we would have

2416
01:55:40,960 --> 01:55:41,960
Speaker 1: to have some questions asked.

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01:55:41,960 --> 01:55:44,919
Speaker 2: But how dare you the Smart Cage is the smartest

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01:55:44,960 --> 01:55:47,240
Speaker 2: of all the cages. We're gonna find out pretty soon

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01:55:47,320 --> 01:55:49,640
Speaker 2: how smart that cage really is at the negotiation table.

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01:55:50,080 --> 01:55:52,960
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I mean, if PFL goes bust,

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01:55:53,600 --> 01:55:55,520
Speaker 1: I don't think that cage was all that smart. BC,

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01:55:55,640 --> 01:55:57,600
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, not that smart.

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01:55:57,640 --> 01:55:59,320
Speaker 2: You could tell me the miles per hour of that

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01:55:59,400 --> 01:56:02,680
Speaker 2: guy's ball bag swinging back and forth. But it was

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01:56:02,800 --> 01:56:07,320
Speaker 2: five miles per hour. Fourth, But you know you couldn't

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01:56:07,360 --> 01:56:09,640
Speaker 2: sweeten the pod on some of this negotiation, you know me.

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01:56:09,720 --> 01:56:11,680
Speaker 1: You know, I'm guessing it wasn't really involved in the deal,

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01:56:11,720 --> 01:56:13,880
Speaker 1: so I don't really know how smart it is. Smart

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01:56:14,000 --> 01:56:16,520
Speaker 1: cage the smartest of all the cages.

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01:56:24,680 --> 01:56:28,040
Speaker 2: That was South Oregon Bird or Agan Again.

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01:56:28,200 --> 01:56:33,280
Speaker 1: Wow, you said that at three miles an hour. Dude.

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01:56:33,360 --> 01:56:37,120
Speaker 1: They take the most meaningless fucking numbers and then just

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01:56:37,520 --> 01:56:40,480
Speaker 1: litter the screen with them. Oh God.

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01:56:40,600 --> 01:56:43,640
Speaker 2: Hortycombat at gmail dot com. Shout out to our many

2435
01:56:44,240 --> 01:56:48,960
Speaker 2: successful fan submission droppers this Wednesday. Wow, good shit across

2436
01:56:49,000 --> 01:56:50,920
Speaker 2: the board. Look, do you want to update people on

2437
01:56:51,040 --> 01:56:54,000
Speaker 2: our schedule for the rest of the holiday weekend and

2438
01:56:54,080 --> 01:56:55,080
Speaker 2: what they can We'll.

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01:56:55,000 --> 01:56:58,400
Speaker 1: Have content for you on Friday, and we'll have content

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01:56:58,520 --> 01:57:01,520
Speaker 1: for you on Monday. BC. You have an interview coming

2441
01:57:01,560 --> 01:57:02,600
Speaker 1: out today, do you not?

2442
01:57:03,200 --> 01:57:07,240
Speaker 2: Yes? With One Championships Brent Stover, a fantastic chat about

2443
01:57:07,240 --> 01:57:09,840
Speaker 2: the One product, his transition into MMA, all that stuff.

2444
01:57:09,880 --> 01:57:12,120
Speaker 2: A good very good guy, Luke. I think he's I

2445
01:57:12,200 --> 01:57:14,480
Speaker 2: think he would hang with us mkwise. Now, he'd probably

2446
01:57:14,920 --> 01:57:16,880
Speaker 2: take home more women than we would due to his

2447
01:57:17,320 --> 01:57:20,360
Speaker 2: burgeoning country star career. But you know, he's a very

2448
01:57:20,400 --> 01:57:20,800
Speaker 2: nice man.

2449
01:57:21,720 --> 01:57:23,440
Speaker 1: He is a very nice man. And of course we'll

2450
01:57:23,440 --> 01:57:26,200
Speaker 1: have a mailbag for you guys on Memorial Day. We'll

2451
01:57:26,240 --> 01:57:28,320
Speaker 1: also have something for you guys on Friday as well,

2452
01:57:28,440 --> 01:57:31,680
Speaker 1: so the content will keep flowing. Please don't worry. By

2453
01:57:31,680 --> 01:57:33,120
Speaker 1: the way, if you want to ask a question for

2454
01:57:33,200 --> 01:57:37,200
Speaker 1: the mailbag, go to our YouTube community section where the way,

2455
01:57:37,320 --> 01:57:40,000
Speaker 1: we have a post up there and we've solicited questions

2456
01:57:40,040 --> 01:57:41,640
Speaker 1: in there. So you go to YouTube dot com slash

2457
01:57:41,920 --> 01:57:44,880
Speaker 1: Morning Combat, then click the community tab. It's right in there.

2458
01:57:44,920 --> 01:57:46,960
Speaker 1: You can see everything there right one asap and we'll

2459
01:57:46,960 --> 01:57:47,640
Speaker 1: get that far for you.

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01:57:47,800 --> 01:57:49,800
Speaker 2: So if you don't have family that you like hanging

2461
01:57:49,840 --> 01:57:51,840
Speaker 2: out with on the Memorial Day weekend, you can hang

2462
01:57:51,880 --> 01:57:54,320
Speaker 2: out with us. And also if you haven't watched Room

2463
01:57:54,400 --> 01:57:57,120
Speaker 2: Service Diaries two point zero with Ray Longo Luke, I

2464
01:57:57,240 --> 01:58:01,440
Speaker 2: am overwhelmed by the fan reaction because I thought Paul Craig,

2465
01:58:02,000 --> 01:58:05,440
Speaker 2: Arnold Allen, John Annick, Rashad Evans, I thought these recent

2466
01:58:05,600 --> 01:58:11,120
Speaker 2: RSDs were untouchable, impregnable, if you will right. Some people

2467
01:58:11,160 --> 01:58:13,080
Speaker 2: think this very long one's the best thing we've ever done.

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01:58:13,840 --> 01:58:16,320
Speaker 1: It's very good. It's very good. I really had a

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01:58:16,400 --> 01:58:18,320
Speaker 1: great time doing it. I could we could easily do

2470
01:58:18,400 --> 01:58:20,600
Speaker 1: another one, and I hope at some point in the

2471
01:58:20,640 --> 01:58:22,880
Speaker 1: future we get a chance to do that, So please

2472
01:58:22,960 --> 01:58:25,320
Speaker 1: go check that out. It's really cool stories from a

2473
01:58:25,440 --> 01:58:28,400
Speaker 1: very unique man who has accomplished a lot in the

2474
01:58:28,440 --> 01:58:30,120
Speaker 1: sport and kept a pretty good attitude about it the

2475
01:58:30,160 --> 01:58:33,120
Speaker 1: whole time. So a great guy to talk to. All right,

2476
01:58:33,440 --> 01:58:36,240
Speaker 1: let's move this along. So BC Brent Stover out today,

2477
01:58:36,440 --> 01:58:38,879
Speaker 1: content out on Friday. I'm doing a couple of interviews

2478
01:58:39,200 --> 01:58:42,120
Speaker 1: privately that we'll have up either this week or around

2479
01:58:42,160 --> 01:58:45,320
Speaker 1: Sunday or Monday. So we're gonna have content for you continuously.

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01:58:45,440 --> 01:58:48,240
Speaker 1: YouTube dot com slash Morning Combat are up on the

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01:58:49,440 --> 01:58:52,280
Speaker 1: listening platform. So Showtime dot Com thirty day free trial.

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Speaker 1: You'd like it, you can keep it. If not, move

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Speaker 1: on Morningcombat dot Store for all of your merch. Thanks

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01:58:58,040 --> 01:59:00,720
Speaker 1: to Malka, thanks to Showtime, and of course Mikey Morms

2485
01:59:01,080 --> 01:59:03,360
Speaker 1: from CBS Sports on the ones and twos keeping us

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01:59:03,400 --> 01:59:05,960
Speaker 1: locked and loaded. Here, we're it, We're don excuse me,

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01:59:06,080 --> 01:59:08,240
Speaker 1: We're done for the day. That's it. We're out of here.

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01:59:08,360 --> 01:59:10,680
Speaker 1: That's Brian Campbell. I'm Luke Thomas. Thank you guys so

2489
01:59:10,760 --> 01:59:12,560
Speaker 1: much for watching. Hit Up the Show. If you want

2490
01:59:12,600 --> 01:59:14,480
Speaker 1: to see us are here us uh. If you want

2491
01:59:14,520 --> 01:59:16,640
Speaker 1: to what am I saying, I'm just batching the outro.

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01:59:17,160 --> 01:59:18,800
Speaker 1: Hit up the Show at Morning Combat at gmail dot

2493
01:59:18,840 --> 01:59:20,800
Speaker 1: com to talk to the producers. We're out here until

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01:59:20,880 --> 01:59:23,560
Speaker 1: next time. May all of your gains be loyal