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Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vanderkam. I'm a mother of four,

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Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Hunger.

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Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, practicing physician and blogger. On

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Speaker 1: the side, we are two working parents who love our

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Speaker 1: careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds.

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Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family,

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Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping

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Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get

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Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds.

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Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode one oh five, first

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Speaker 1: airing in early August of twenty nineteen. We are going

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Speaker 1: to be talking about, gosh, what are we doing. We're

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Speaker 1: going to be talking about getting in health. Either wise,

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Speaker 1: I'm very babylay. You know, why did my brain just

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Speaker 1: blip there? Clearly I did not get enough sleep last night,

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Speaker 1: which we can talk about. But we're gonna be talking

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Speaker 1: about making time for help both exercise, sleep, making time

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Speaker 1: for mental health, all these things that become more challenging

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Speaker 1: when you're a parent. But in the meantime, Sarah recently

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Speaker 1: got back from her summer vacation, which was at times

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Speaker 1: a bit taxing for her mental health. So, Sarah, why

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Speaker 1: don't you tell us about that? Yeah? So, I think

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Speaker 1: I had mentioned this trip a little bit previously when

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Speaker 1: it was in its planning stages, and I feel like

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Speaker 1: I made a number of mistakes that i'd like you

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Speaker 1: all to learn from. Perhaps, So you know, Genevieve is

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Speaker 1: currently nineteen months. To set the stage, She's very opinionated,

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Speaker 1: She's very cute and charming. She will sit in a

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Speaker 1: actually talked about on an episode very recently that oh,

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Speaker 1: she'll sit so nicely because the other kids. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that lasted five seconds. Now she wants to get up

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Speaker 1: She is a whirling dervish of craziness. The other two are,

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Speaker 1: you know, they're a little older, they're five and seven,

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Speaker 1: generally more you know, easy to handle on vacation, but

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Speaker 1: when kids are not happy about something, most kids, including

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Speaker 1: Laura's kids, from what I've read, tend to make that

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Speaker 1: So I'm not going to nero ability to suffer in silence,

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Speaker 1: and maybe that's a good evolutionary trait. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: I did want to mute button on a couple of occasions.

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Speaker 1: So okay. When we book the trip, we knew that

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Speaker 1: we wanted to go to Legoland and that we wanted

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Speaker 1: to visit Amelia Island. I did strategically avoid any flights

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Speaker 1: Anyone interested in property in Miami Beach, there's a great

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Speaker 1: house for sale. Anyway, So we planned this trip and

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Speaker 1: decided we would go to Legoland and then go to

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Speaker 1: I was very close to booking a room at the Omni,

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Speaker 1: But I read a few trip Advisor reviews that ended

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Speaker 1: really nice hotel. So we stayed at the Ritz, which

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Speaker 1: was beautiful. But I regret that choice because you were

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Speaker 1: at the beautiful hotel with your three small children. Yes,

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Speaker 1: It wasn't all bad. It wasn't And you know, in

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Speaker 1: and I'll just remember that wonderful trip we took. Lego

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Speaker 1: the ocean was great. We had a good beach day,

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428
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Speaker 1: when I felt like, well, if I can't run five,

429
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,320
Speaker 1: like what's the point, Like that's not a real workout.

430
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,800
Speaker 1: And now I've found that fairly short bursts can get

431
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,239
Speaker 1: the job done, and something is better than nothing. It

432
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,680
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be every day. It's fine to take

433
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 1: breaks and have periods of laziness and get back to

434
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,199
Speaker 1: it and just generally more forgiving about the concept of

435
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,760
Speaker 1: exercise itself, which I guess it sort of sounds like

436
00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,680
Speaker 1: do less exercise, but that's not really what I mean.

437
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,359
Speaker 1: It's more just think of it more as sort of

438
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 1: just an ongoing part of life rather than some big

439
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,200
Speaker 1: deal thing that you have to get in specific way

440
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 1: every single day. Yeah, I think this is the biggest

441
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 1: mind is shift for people, is because they've you know,

442
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 1: before kids, they've been in the mindset that what it

443
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 1: means to exercise is to go to the gym for

444
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,680
Speaker 1: an hour after work, and so they you know, even

445
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,200
Speaker 1: people are very good exercisers, have built this into their

446
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:45,640
Speaker 1: life that they go to the gym three or four

447
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,639
Speaker 1: times a week after work for an hour, and so

448
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:50,919
Speaker 1: they come home at what's seven thirty or so and

449
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 1: then order food or cook food at that point. And clearly,

450
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:56,879
Speaker 1: if you have young kids, that's probably not going to

451
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 1: be your top priority with your schedule at that point,

452
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:00,400
Speaker 1: because you know, if you want to put to bed,

453
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 1: for instance, you probably want to come home before seven thirty.

454
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,199
Speaker 1: And so because you can't go to the gym for

455
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 1: an hour every night after work, you talk yourself into

456
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 1: this idea that oh, well, you know, you just can't

457
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,679
Speaker 1: be a working parent an exercise like I would be

458
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 1: failing my children if I did that. But I think

459
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:21,920
Speaker 1: that's a very limited way to look at this first start,

460
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Speaker 1: as I mean, you could go to the gym for

461
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 1: an hour every night after work. I mean, there's no

462
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Speaker 1: rule that you can't, you know, especially if your kid

463
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Speaker 1: is waking up at like five am and you're spending

464
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Speaker 1: five to eight thirty with them every morning, like you know,

465
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 1: maybe you don't actually have to go put them to

466
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,199
Speaker 1: bed every night too, So so maybe you do your

467
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,159
Speaker 1: time together in the morning, and you can go to

468
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Speaker 1: the gym for an hour every night after work, or

469
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 1: you know, don't make it every night, like you know,

470
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 1: if you're co parenting with someone, you can trade off

471
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,159
Speaker 1: each of you gets one night off you can go

472
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 1: to the gym then. So again it's not you're not

473
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Speaker 1: part of that gym scene, although I don't know if

474
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Speaker 1: you really want to be part of the scene when

475
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 1: you're like married, what sort of thing is going on there?

476
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,159
Speaker 1: But you know, you can certainly take your favorite class,

477
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 1: like if you you know, loved the Thursday night power

478
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 1: pump class like that, that would totally be reasonable to do.

479
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 1: And you give your partner Tuesday night and he or

480
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 1: she can go do their group bike ride that night

481
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 1: or whatever it is that that person loves to do.

482
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: And I think big fitness projects are still reasonable too,

483
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 1: Like I still think I would like to run another marathon,

484
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,360
Speaker 1: but it doesn't mean that I need to like always

485
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Speaker 1: be running a marathon or like always go to that

486
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Speaker 1: Thursday night class. Like you can go to it one

487
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,360
Speaker 1: week and then the next week you have a work event,

488
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 1: and then you can jump back into the third week.

489
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: Like there's, yeah, are you gonna do a marathon again? Yeah?

490
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 1: Probably I will. Okay, I sound surcribed. I don't know.

491
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 1: I mean I've thought about it too. In fact, I

492
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 1: thought about, like possibly ending the running streak by doing

493
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Speaker 1: a marathon be a way too, And I for a

494
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 1: variety of reasons, I don't think that's gonna happen, but

495
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 1: it would be an option. I think it would be

496
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Speaker 1: a fun ending as a way. But then you'd probably

497
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 1: be like, well, now I'm gonna do a fifty k Okay,

498
00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 1: now I'm gonna end it with I'd at least need

499
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 1: to take a day off, right, One would think you

500
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: would think maybe I will just state for the record.

501
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 1: So I have this app at use Strava, and I

502
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 1: it like show it has this new thing it didn't

503
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: used to have it where it kind of shows you,

504
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 1: like where you are for the month in terms of

505
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,199
Speaker 1: how many times you worked out where they overlay a

506
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Speaker 1: graph of your prior months. You can kind of see

507
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 1: the slope of the line. And mine is so laughable

508
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 1: July because I was sick and then we went on vacation,

509
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: which I mentioned. Oh yeah, by the way, was gonna mention.

510
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: Josh and I both decided we wish we had worked

511
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 1: out on this shop a lot happier. We could have

512
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:35,959
Speaker 1: done it. We just sort of like, I don't know

513
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 1: whatever anyway, So I've only worked out four times in July,

514
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: and it's like, what the fit sixteenth seventeenth sixteenth, that's

515
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 1: like terrible, Well, it's that terrible. I mean, so you

516
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,360
Speaker 1: could have done zero in July. I could have done zero,

517
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 1: but I don't. I don't know what my point is

518
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Speaker 1: with that, except that I guess I'm more accepting of

519
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: the ebbs and flows than I ever was before. I'm like,

520
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 1: that's cool, and maybe I'll do a marathon in six

521
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: months and maybe I won't whatever. Well, and I also

522
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 1: point out you're probably walking like fifteen thousand steps a

523
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: day around Lego Land. I mean, it's not like that's true.

524
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: Although they were like only like in tight circles. Following

525
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: general people have lifts like you're like a figure out,

526
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 1: you know what. I bet I did get a lot

527
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 1: of like arm works armor. Yeah, that account that totally counts,

528
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 1: totally count. So yes, you can totally make time for exercise.

529
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's a lot of the questions

530
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: I actually get from people. A lot of people email

531
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: me questions, how am I going to find time to exercise, Like, well,

532
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: you know, first change your idea of what exercise means,

533
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: but then think about the whole week, think about where

534
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: you can fit it in, think about stuff you love,

535
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: because you're not going to do something you hate. That's

536
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: just not going to happen. But sleep is also a

537
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: key component of health, and so this is another one

538
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: that tends to be harder for people, although my time

539
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: diary studies have found that most parents do in fact sleep.

540
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: It's and I love hearing that because it feels like

541
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,239
Speaker 1: everyone else loves to say the opposite, and I'm like,

542
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. It seems like I don't know where

543
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: they're getting their number, or it's some online survey that

544
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: people play that you fill out when you're tired, and

545
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: I mean, like, when are you going to google like

546
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 1: how to sleep more? Yeah, I don't know that. Time

547
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 1: diary studies definitely find that people sleep a reasonable amount.

548
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: I would say the vast majority of adults sleep somewhere

549
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: between seven and eight hours a day when you average

550
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 1: it over the week. Certainly there are nights where you

551
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: get less, and people are probably thinking of the nights

552
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: that they get less when they are answering that question,

553
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 1: But then they're never adding in the night they got

554
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 1: like ten hours of sleep because you know, they crashed

555
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: on the couch or they you know, their partner got

556
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 1: up with the kids, or they slept later. You know,

557
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: they're just not adding that in, or because it occurred

558
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 1: on Saturday or Sunday, which turn out to beautily they

559
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: didn't count. Be kidding, it didn't count. So the vast

560
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: majority of people somewhere between seven and eight hour day.

561
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: I would say, like ninety nine percent of people need

562
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 1: between six and nine. Like there's very few people who

563
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: are outside that norm. There's some people who for whatever

564
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 1: reason genetically need quite a bit of sleep, and that's

565
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,239
Speaker 1: difficult if that's you that you have to work with,

566
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: but that's life. I mean, there's nothing you can do

567
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: about it, so I mean, you know, and you're probably

568
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: better off just figuring out how to accommodate it than

569
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: being miserable for all of your waking hours. And then

570
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: there's that is hard though, because it's like, you know,

571
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: there are one hundred and sixty eight hours and you

572
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: start going down on them, and it is sort of

573
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: unfair that more of us, some of us get a

574
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: little bit more than others for that reason, but it's

575
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: probably not that common. Well, I mean totally normal to

576
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: need say eight and a half hours a day like

577
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: that is a totally normal number. But compared from somebody

578
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: who needs seven to somebody who needs eight and a half,

579
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: that's an hour and a half a day. And when

580
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: you are in it's somewhat the crunched mode of again

581
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: building your career, raising young children, that can feel like

582
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: quite a bit and again there's nothing you can do

583
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: about it, so it's not worth getting upset about. You

584
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 1: could also tell yourself that probably the vast majority of

585
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: people who do only need seven don't spend that extra

586
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 1: ninety minutes. Well, I mean, so if that's remotely helpful

587
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 1: to you, maybe they're getting to watch a little bit

588
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: extra television or spend or time on Twitter. But you

589
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: don't want to be on Twitter, so it's all good.

590
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: There you go. Yeah, well, I feel like I'm definitely

591
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: one of those people who sleeps less some nights and

592
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: more other nights, and that's okay. I know people who

593
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: will set their alarm like specifically for a number of hours.

594
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: Sometimes I stay up a little later than I should.

595
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 1: I still tend to get up early, and then I'll

596
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 1: sort of make up for when I can. Either on

597
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: the weekends, I'll take a nap during Genevieve's nap, or

598
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: I'll alternate who's going to sleep in with Josh or

599
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 1: on my day off, I mean sleep later. Yeah. Yeah, Well,

600
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: in general, I mean, you're best off I think figuring

601
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: out what time you need to wake up, which for

602
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: many people that's pretty set, whether it's you know, getting

603
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: kids to school or getting to work or whatever or both.

604
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: Counting back the number of hours you need and the

605
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: at least having that as your target, right, because I mean,

606
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: I feel like people often don't connect the two at all,

607
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: like like somehow the amount of sleep they need and

608
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: the time they wake up are like two entirely separate

609
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: variables that don't need to be simultaneously encountered. And taking

610
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: a tip from last week's episode, you know, if you

611
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: really think about that sleep affecting how that day is

612
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: going to go, then counting back and your night, your

613
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: day starting with the sleep to kind of preface your day,

614
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: then that might be enough motivation to count and actually

615
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: plan for that. But I see on the days where

616
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: I'm not, I mean, and my promise is still the

617
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: unpredictable wake ups. It's a lot less frequent than it was,

618
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: but Alex is still an early riser. And this morning

619
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: he elected to wake up at five thirty and came

620
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: and found me, and because he loved me so much,

621
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: he also lied because he knows he's not supposed to

622
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: get out of his bed till six. So I'm like, Alex,

623
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: what time is it? He's like six oh one. I'm like, okay, fine, Wow,

624
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: I don't have my contact and I have no idea

625
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: what time it is. So funny. Well, he's so close

626
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: to I mean he technically he's old enough to just

627
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: sort of do stuff on his own, but maybe maybe

628
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: he needs to get a little older to be brave

629
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: enough to Yeah. Well, I mean I then go set

630
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: him up watching cartoons. But it's just like getting him

631
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: to that point, like you know that he can't really

632
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: navigate the menu to to get it set up. And

633
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: I also put like that'll happen soon though, because Cameron's

634
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: like a pro, yeah, you know, And I give him,

635
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: give him food like you know, waffle or raisin bread

636
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: or you know, raisins or something, and so he has

637
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: a snack, has a little water, and then he can

638
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: just chill for a while and I either try to

639
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: go back to sleep, which is which I normally do,

640
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: but I didn't manage to this morning, so I was

641
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Speaker 1: up working that Sarah. I got the surprise of emails

642
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: from me stamped before six am, which never happened. It

643
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: was weird, but the net result is I'm paying for it.

644
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: Like I just sat here unable to introduce this episode,

645
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: and I mean, for me, it's the patient notes. The

646
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,479
Speaker 1: patient notes are so easy when I'm rested, and like

647
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: insurmountably hard. Like it's not the patient interactions, and I

648
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: don't think it's like what I'm actually doing for the patient,

649
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: but it's the documentation. There's something about that it's like

650
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: required because I guess it's just like a little boring,

651
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: you know, and so you're not so engaged, And yeah,

652
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: I just can't do it when I'm super tired. And

653
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: I like what we heard about our recent expert, you know,

654
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: really thinking about your efficiency when you're not sleeping, Like

655
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: you're just wasting time if you're going to spend three

656
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: times as long doing something that's not very much fun

657
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: because you're tired. Yeah. So I have a line in

658
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: my speeches that sleep and exercise don't take time, they

659
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: make time. And I think that within reason, that is true. Yes,

660
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: I agree. I don't think training for like a one

661
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: hundred mile race is making time for you. No, but

662
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: I think like running three miles a day and sleeping

663
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: eight hours a night is not a bad investment of

664
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: time and that will probably make you feel more productive

665
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: in the other you know, eight you know, that's eight

666
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: and a half hours. That's like, you know, fifteen and

667
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: a half hours you have for us. There are things

668
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: that will be a better fifteen and a half hours.

669
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: I totally believe that. Yeah, all right, Well, our next

670
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: topic is food, and by the way, I do think

671
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: it's probably time to get a new food related expert on.

672
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: So if you have suggestions, I do. We do have

673
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: one that contacted us that I think would be a

674
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,239
Speaker 1: great fit. I'm not going to mention her. But if

675
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: you have other suggestions, she's busy. He's important. If you

676
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: have people who are great with meal planning, cooking at home,

677
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: efficient styles of cooking rather than gourmet styles of cooking,

678
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,479
Speaker 1: let us know because we owe you another meal product.

679
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: I would say I would actually like to have a

680
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,719
Speaker 1: female chef because I think the restaurant business is fascinating.

681
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: So I would like to actually talk about oh does

682
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: that because you know somebody? Those could be two episodes

683
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: running cooking and then also yeah, and succeeding in the

684
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: in the food world, the food, hospitality, beverage world is

685
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: so yes, if you know people in these realms, or

686
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,719
Speaker 1: if you are people in these realms, please let us

687
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: know because we want you. Yes, so you know, I

688
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: have been on a slightly healthier eating kick for the

689
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: past three months only exception of your ice cream on

690
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: your We had ice cream six times on vacation. I

691
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: was like, wow, I was impressive, that's awesome. Well, what

692
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: could I say? I will buy Ben and Jerry's like

693
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: chocolate peanut butter ice cream for the house. I will

694
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: not bring it into the house. I will not put

695
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: any of that in my freezer because then I know

696
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: it's there and it would be very tempting to eat it.

697
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: Whereas if I have to, you know, if I'm on

698
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: vacation and walking to an ice cream parlor and waiting

699
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: in a twenty minute line, it's a very intentional choice.

700
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: It's a very intentional choice. So I think not putting

701
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: stuff that you don't want to eat in the house,

702
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: and so that that involves being good about grocery shopping

703
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: like and whatever that's going to involve for you. Totally agree.

704
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: I mean I think I think the more forethought you

705
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: could do with your eating, the healthier going to be.

706
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I know I make the worst choices when

707
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,919
Speaker 1: I've gotten myself into that last minute desperation mode where

708
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: oh man, why didn't I think about the fact that

709
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: I would need to eat lunch today like every other day?

710
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: Oh my god, my body needs food again, exactly Like,

711
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: what can I get that's super quick or free or

712
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: readily available. It's never good. It's never healthy. It's like,

713
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: if I pack or if I even know that I'm

714
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: going to order take out from somewhere reasonably healthy, I

715
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: will thank myself for it later. So I don't know,

716
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: Planning strikes again. Planning strikes well. And one thing, I mean,

717
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: one thing you could do that's not really planning, but

718
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: then at least you have stuff. I mean, since I

719
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: work from home, it's it's not quite the same thing,

720
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 1: but you know, somebody who has an office freezer could

721
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: totally do this, but bringing in frozen meals, but that

722
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: are a reasonably healthy ones, so ones that aren't really

723
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: know the sodium bombs, but like read the label and

724
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: you know, find one that's sort of like three hundred

725
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: four hundred calories and you can always jazz it up

726
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: with extra fruit and veggies on the side, but keep

727
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: it in your freezer and then you always have something.

728
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: And so even on the days when I'm like, oh,

729
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: I'm really hungry, I don't feel like making anything. I

730
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: don't have any groceries. I'm like, but I have the

731
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: frozen meal that I can put in the microwave in

732
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,919
Speaker 1: four minutes later, I have lunch. I've been getting into

733
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: the Fronterra, you know Rick Bailey, like Mexican. Oh oh oh yeah,

734
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: I've been to that restaurant at at least one airport,

735
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: if not hair, I'm sure I always stop there when

736
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,720
Speaker 1: I'm in the like H and K terminal of O'Hair.

737
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 1: But no, it's at They're good. Yeah, And I saw

738
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 1: I top it with like sour cream and it's really good. Nice,

739
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 1: So jazz it up a little bit. I have thought

740
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: about doing that, just getting a bunch of stuff for

741
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: the work freezer, or like you know, bringing in a

742
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: few meals and then like a bag of baby carrots

743
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: and some cheese and then you're like stocked for the week.

744
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: Kind of a thing. I still have my fridge in

745
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: my office from my breastfeeding days, so you could put

746
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: it in there. I kind of want to keep it. Yeah, yeah.

747
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: And one one thing we've also found in terms of

748
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: like I'm part of eating healthy, I think is just

749
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: eating a lot of like produce, because if you're eating

750
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: a lot of produce, you just have less space for

751
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 1: anything else in your stomach and you do the box. Yeah,

752
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: we do the box. So we get a Hungry Harvest

753
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: produce box every two weeks. And I first learned about

754
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: this through the Frugo Girls website. And I don't know

755
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: if it counts as frugal or not. I mean, she

756
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: also has a very strong, like environmental aspect to what

757
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: she does, and may part about spending less is also

758
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: about well, but her growth three budgets are like inspiring.

759
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: She are inspiring. But so she and I now we

760
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: spend twenty five dollars every two weeks on the Hungry

761
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: Harvest produce box. And what Hungry Harvest does is they

762
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: rescue produce, so if it's slightly misshapen, if it is

763
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: not regulation sized, if sometimes it's just that the farmer

764
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: grew too much and like his buyers won't take it,

765
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: so they have extra. And so the idea is that

766
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: they're creating a market for food that would otherwise definitely

767
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: go to waste. And then there's another component. I think

768
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: there's a you know, addressing food insecurity. On the other part,

769
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: their mission statements sort of like every every vegetable has

770
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: the right to be eaten and every person has a

771
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 1: right to brush vegetables or something like that. I'm butchering,

772
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: but that's about what it is. So it's you know,

773
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: you get a lot of produce every two weeks, and

774
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: I think if I were cooking all the meals, this

775
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: would drive me crazy. And there are reasons I did

776
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: not do the CSA thing because I kind of like

777
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: to know what I'm going to cook. And if you know,

778
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: people are like, well, it's so exciting, you know, you

779
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 1: get random stuff. I'm like, oh, that's not sure, that's

780
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: so exciting. But Arnana, who cooks our meals, is actually

781
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: cool with it, like she likes it and so awesome

782
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: that she's you know, tried different. What was in your

783
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: last box. We got a lot of cabbage, But if

784
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: I just had some leftover for lunch, you know, you

785
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: get like we had some blood oranges. Recently, we had

786
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: a head of some of it stuff you'd buy anyway,

787
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: like a head of cauliflower. And I have no idea

788
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: what was wrong with it. I guess it must have

789
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: been slightly misshapen or like, you know, well, sometimes it's

790
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: just overproduced, over produced, you know, it's it's going to

791
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: be based on the seasons. Right now, you get more

792
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: like zucchini than anyone needs. But you know then you

793
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: get say blueberries in June and apples in August, September,

794
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: and and so you know, it's it's just a cool

795
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: way to sort of increase the amount of produce in

796
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: your house, which is a way too And then I

797
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: feel like if we do have to dump it, like

798
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 1: if we've bought too much and we don't, it's it's

799
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: like it was going to be dumped anyway, So it's

800
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: head for the period a market, and if it's dumped

801
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: on the second time around, well that's you know, probably

802
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: not as bad as if that makes sense. Yeah, that's awesome.

803
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: Well maybe I'll look back at we used to do

804
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: that in North Carolina. Actually it was a very cool

805
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: CSA where you could choose so you were not surprised

806
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: by like eight pounds of rudabaga. They gave you a

807
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: menu and you just you know, clicked online each week

808
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: and then you thought what you want to Yes, that

809
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: was nice. Yeah, So let's why don't we pivot real

810
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: quick to mental health? Making time for your mental health

811
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 1: and what that means, like what does that mean to you?

812
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I think this a lot of This comes

813
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: down to acknowledging that it is important for you to

814
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: have some time for yourself, for reflection, for relaxation, for fun.

815
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: Also a little throwback to our last episode with our

816
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: great guest Julie Morgan Stern last week, because without that,

817
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 1: I mean, why are we doing this and we can't

818
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: even function right. You get burned out at a certain point.

819
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: So I think that just purposefully being you know, quote

820
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: unquote selfish or just thinking of yourself and making sure

821
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 1: you figure out some things that you want to do

822
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: and logistically figure out how to make that work and

823
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: doing it is very important for mental health, at least

824
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: for me, and I think for most people men and women. Well,

825
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: I think one thing that's been good for me to

826
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,240
Speaker 1: realize is that, I mean, I'm fairly introverted, and part

827
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: of that is needing like quiet personal time to recharge

828
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 1: away from other people. And it turns out that your

829
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: children are also people, and so especially and they don't

830
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: observe necessarily all the adult rules of like not talking

831
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: to you at the same time as somebody else talking

832
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: to you, and so it's just like too many voices

833
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: at times. And so I've I've recognized, like sometimes I

834
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: need to like go away from that, and you know,

835
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: if it's at night, like you know, sometimes the kids like,

836
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: can we just read in the same room with you?

837
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, you cannot read it. And some

838
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: of it sounds sort of ridiculous because it's like why

839
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: couldn't they read quietly in the same room, And I'm like, no, Actually,

840
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: I need to be by my own space, in my

841
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: own space space for a little bit, and I'll like

842
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: read for twenty minutes and then go have a conversation

843
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: with them. And I think that that's better than like

844
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: sitting there resentful that there's somebody else like in my

845
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: space while I'm trying to have my quiet reading time.

846
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 1: So like today, so we just took that a family trip,

847
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: as we mentioned, and yesterday I was kind of like

848
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: a stay at home mom because our Nannie was on

849
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: vacation and that was fun. I had a good time

850
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,439
Speaker 1: of Jen Weave today or Nannie came back. And after

851
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 1: this podcast, I plan on disappearing, yes for about five hours,

852
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: and then I do have to go to the kids.

853
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 1: Well they really want me to go to some night

854
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: at camp. But I mean I could tell myself the

855
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: story that oh, like I don't get that much family

856
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: time and the kids would like me to pick them

857
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: up from camp and go to the thing tonight and

858
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,240
Speaker 1: or I don't know, but really like that is a story,

859
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: and an equally valid story is Wow, I just had

860
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: a family trip and then a day with my kids,

861
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: and now I need some my time. Yeah, exactly. I

862
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: don't think you're probably under investing on that. No, especially

863
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: if you are, you know, during the work day dealing

864
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: with other people and have sort of less flexibility with

865
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 1: that by all means, yeah, take the take the time off.

866
00:41:53,440 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: Who So shall we move to our Q and A Yeah,

867
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: although I did want well, i'd want to do one

868
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: shout out to therapy h which just because I think

869
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: if we are going to talk about mental health, I

870
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: mean there's I had like meditation on there and screen time,

871
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 1: but those are very individual. I think therapy is fairly

872
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: universal that if you do get into a crisis mode,

873
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 1: you should absolutely seek out someone to speak to. I

874
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: did it once in my life. I would one hundred

875
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 1: percent do it again. I should have done it other times,

876
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: Like once I did it the one time, I was like,

877
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: well that was not a big deal. All it is

878
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: is like a person that you get to non judgmentally,

879
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: like speak to kind of help you sort through things,

880
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: who doesn't judge you at all. And depending on your insurance,

881
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: you may not even have to pay that much for

882
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: this privilege. Now. I know the mental health care network

883
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: is not ideal in this country at least, so it's

884
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: not always that easy. There are some online options now

885
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: that are great or I've heard great things about them.

886
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: I haven't personally tried them yet, but I would, and

887
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: I just think it's underrated and deserves a shout out.

888
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: Since we're talking about health, definitely definitely look into that

889
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: as well. All right, So our Q and A. You

890
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: want to read this one? Yes, this comes. This one's

891
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: really mostly for you, or at least you had some

892
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: great answers, so I'll read. The question comes from Kate.

893
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: She loves best of both worlds and is an avid

894
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: listener and a huge fan of Laura's books. And she

895
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: says she has three children and her youngest is entering

896
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: kindergarten in the fall. She writes, while I have never

897
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: stopped working, I'm in a medical tangential medical field I

898
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: but not a position sort of an ancillary worker. I

899
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: decreased my hours after my third was born, to the

900
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 1: point where I have been working only eight to twelve

901
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: hours a week for the past six years. I'm now

902
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: ready to begin leaning back in, but do not have

903
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: the option of increasing my hours at my current job,

904
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: a risk I knew I was taking when I was

905
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: asked to cut back. I'm beginning to look for something new,

906
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 1: but feel overwhelmed by the job search and interview process.

907
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: I've been with my current employer for over fifteen years,

908
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: so I'm feeling rusty as well as deciding whether to

909
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: go part time or full time or sorry, full time

910
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 1: or stay part time but at a higher level. I'm

911
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 1: also wondering if I had to try a side hustle

912
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: and just keep my current position, but don't really have

913
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: any ideas of what I would do. Do you have

914
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: advice or tips for people who are entering a transition

915
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 1: phase of life and are looking for a change, but

916
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 1: are not quite sure how to sort out the different

917
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: options available. Yeah, and I actually think this is a

918
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: great topic. It's one I think that we may address

919
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: in a full episode in the near future of if

920
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: you've taken a career break or skilled down to very

921
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: limited part time, how you can kind of lean back

922
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: in and what's involved in doing that. So look for

923
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: that in the next few months. I think what the

924
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: best thing our listener can do in this case is

925
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 1: give herself the gift of a little time and space

926
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: to think about it. So her youngest is just starting kindergarten,

927
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: she's been with this employer for over fifteen years. She

928
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: doesn't have to change anything right now, right she can

929
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: give herself, you know, six months at least to think

930
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: about it, to actually ask herself, well, what do you

931
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: want your life to look like? What do you want

932
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: your professional life, your personal life to look at. You

933
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: could do like a mini retreat or I mean she

934
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 1: could do a long retreat. I mean do whatever you want,

935
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: like go stay in Tahiti for a week or something,

936
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: but think about what you'd like your life to look

937
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: like in three or four years and what you would

938
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: be doing. You could talk to a lot of people

939
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,919
Speaker 1: who are in your field, or tangentially related to your field,

940
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: or even fields you aren't in now but have always

941
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: thought would be kind of cool to experiment and ask

942
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: what they like about their job. I mean, ask what

943
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: they do on a day to day basis. My guess

944
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: is that you know, she's spent the past many years

945
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: dealing with small children and just focusing on doing her

946
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: job for her eight to twelve hours a week. She

947
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: hasn't really seen what's out there, Like, she doesn't know

948
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: the employers in the area. She doesn't necessarily know what

949
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: they're looking for the skills that are in demand. So

950
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,399
Speaker 1: spend some time figuring that out. You know, she could

951
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: certainly explore the entrepreneurial route, the side hustle, but to

952
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: think about that, you know, try different things like ask yourself, well,

953
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: what are things I like to do that I'm skilled in,

954
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 1: and just do little pivots, like you know, I don't

955
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: start a huge business, just do like one project and

956
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: see how it goes. And you try stuff. You might

957
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: find stuff you like, you'll figure out what you don't like.

958
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: And that's also really cool to know that, because then

959
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: you don't spend huge amounts of time and money starting

960
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: a business with that and you realize, actually, I hate that.

961
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: And you know, when Sarah was trying to figure out

962
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: her sort of career transition, as she was sort of

963
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: going from full time clinical work to also adding the

964
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: administrative component, she designed her ideal week, and I think

965
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: that that's something that our listener could could definitely try

966
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: as well, right, right, Sarah, definitely. I also love the

967
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: idea of the mini retreat. I mean, any retreat to

968
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: me sounds good. Just that space and time and permission

969
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: to think about what you really want. Your vacation was

970
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: not right, Yes, and it actually, as you were speaking,

971
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: you know, doing the kind of maybe lunchtime interviews with

972
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: friends in other fields to figure things out. Not only

973
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: might that lead to some ideas of what you want

974
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: your job to look like, but that might lead to

975
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: some job. I mean, I'm serious. You talk to enough people,

976
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: they're going to know people who know people, and then

977
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: you may find yourself fitting somewhere that you never even expected.

978
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 1: So I agree taking that time to explore sounds awesome.

979
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: And since you've been part time and it's been making

980
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: it work for quite some time, it should be feasible

981
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 1: to kind of continuing doing that. Yeah. And she doesn't

982
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: have to only limit herself to part time work, right

983
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: No, No No, No, I meant like to stay part time

984
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: while she's doing Yeah, but she doesn't need to she

985
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: can you know, her kids will be in school she'll

986
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: have more time, and then she can she can not

987
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: work more right away, but spend that time delving into

988
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 1: what she wants and connecting with people, and she may

989
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 1: find herself in the process. Yeah, who knows. And my

990
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: guess is that in you know, it won't happen immediately necessarily,

991
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: but like two years from now, you could be in

992
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: something really awesome. So if you have that sort of

993
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: long term view, that that can really help. All right,

994
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: So our love of the week, Sarah. Yes, Well, I've

995
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: got two vacation loves of the week. Number one is naps,

996
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: because that's the best part about having It's one of

997
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 1: the lovely perks of having a toddlers. They do often

998
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: take good naps, and Genevieve took great naps. And the

999
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 1: other one is snow crab. That is so good. Is

1000
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: that like a specialty in the like crab, it's like

1001
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: the same thing. Yeah, I mean you can order it.

1002
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: I think sometimes it's called King Crab, but those giant

1003
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: crab legs. My kids actually love it too, which maybe

1004
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: your kids would like to since I heard they just

1005
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: delved into lobster. Yeah, well that could be my love

1006
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: of the week. We just went to the Lobster House

1007
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: in Cape May. The trip itself had this whole you

1008
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: know family dynamic of one kid is unhappy and the

1009
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 1: others are happy, and like, what do you do with that?

1010
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 1: But I did manage to get the kids to try

1011
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: lobster and they were okay with it. They kind of

1012
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 1: liked it because who wouldn't, which was what I was

1013
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: trying to tell them, And yet they all ordered chicken figures.

1014
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: But what what you do, Like someday you're going to

1015
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: be really unhappy that, Like mommy was willing to buy

1016
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,439
Speaker 1: you a lobster dinner and you didn't take it. Well,

1017
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: maybe next year you'll have at least one order of

1018
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: theres in one less order of chicken fingers. Yes, exactly,

1019
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: So we'll look forward to that as the children grow. Well,

1020
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: this has been best at both worlds. We have been

1021
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: talking about making time for health physical and mental, and

1022
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 1: also doing a little bit of vacation post mortem of

1023
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: the things we learn that are helpful to our mental

1024
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: health as we learn and grow on this journey. But

1025
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: we'll be back next week with more on making work

1026
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: in life together. Thanks for listening. You can find me

1027
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: Sarah at the shoebox dot com or at the Underscore

1028
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: shoe Box on Instagram, and you can find me Laura

1029
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: at Laura vandercam dot com. This has been the best

1030
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: of both worlds podcasts. Please join us next time for

1031
00:49:44,080 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: more on making work and life work together. M