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Speaker 2: Let's see. Tom wrote me a note. I've got full

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Speaker 2: calls this hour. Note Thoughtlin, Okay, I better get right

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Speaker 2: to it. However, I do want to announce this. We

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Speaker 2: per order some Santa Claus this hour, so we want

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Speaker 2: to stay on the nice list. Tom Key's writing me

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Speaker 2: notes like that, I'm taking them off the nice List's

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Speaker 2: part of the crabby list. But in any event, give

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Speaker 2: week and or go out to the car doctor's store

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Speaker 2: after and get one on your own. Let's go to

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Paul, New Hampshire. Paul, you're first up? Yes, sir?

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Speaker 2: How can I help?

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Speaker 3: How you doing?

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Speaker 4: Rong? Sir?

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Speaker 2: What's going on?

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Speaker 3: Ninety two Toyota t cell to three speed auto with

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Speaker 3: drive to and low one hundred and thirty seven thousand

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Speaker 3: miles on it. It's been kept after pretty well. All

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Speaker 3: the fluids have been changed breakthrough and andy freeze.

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: Which engine, Paul?

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Speaker 3: It's fifteen one hundred electronic quel injection or soldier.

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Speaker 2: Right, it's the single cam one point five correct?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: Okay? And what's wrong with it?

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Speaker 3: Well? It starts well, it runs well. But every once

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Speaker 3: in a while I'll come up to the top sign

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Speaker 3: or traffic light and sit there for a moment waiting

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Speaker 3: for the lights to change, and I sometimes I step

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Speaker 3: on the gas it starts to stumble and if I

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Speaker 3: feather the gas pedal it'll catch him. I can go,

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Speaker 3: but sometimes it'll stall, okay, and I have to crank

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Speaker 3: it over two or three times for about fifteen seconds

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Speaker 3: each time, and it'll start, and I'll feather it to

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Speaker 3: clear it out, and I'll drive around for a while.

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Speaker 2: So it starts to flood in a sense. It's like

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Speaker 2: as if you were driving a carbureted vehicle it flooded out.

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Speaker 3: Well, it has that feeling, yeah, right, okay, So if

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Speaker 3: I feather the pedal when it seems like it's going

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Speaker 3: to do it, you.

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Speaker 2: Can get it to not do it right, right, okay?

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Speaker 2: So what sort of parts have you thrown at it?

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Speaker 3: Anything related to the performance of it? You know, a

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Speaker 3: lot of parts went into it. Nothing as far as

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Speaker 3: engine centers right right. The closest thing I did to

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Speaker 3: the anything with the engine about five six weeks ago,

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Speaker 3: put a new distributed cap and wires in it.

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Speaker 2: All right, when you were inside the distributor, and I'm

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Speaker 2: sure you would have said something if you saw it,

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Speaker 2: was there any oil inside the distributor? Really? Wow, you've

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Speaker 2: got the one. Don't let that car go. Don't tell

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Speaker 2: Toyota you have that. Yeah. By now that that inner

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Speaker 2: shaft seal would have been and that thing would have

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Speaker 2: been sprits and oil inside the distributor all over the place.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, good for you. It sounds more and I

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Speaker 2: hate to say it sounds like, because that becomes it

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Speaker 2: it sounds like we've got more of an acceleration flat spot,

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Speaker 2: you know, lack of fuel issue than ignition. I could

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Speaker 2: give you the long winded answer that, gee, I'd love

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Speaker 2: to hook a lap scope up to this thing and

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Speaker 2: and do I see it cutting out? And so forth?

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Speaker 2: What signals do I see that are good? So I

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Speaker 2: can tell you what's bad. Always look for what's good,

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Speaker 2: right instead of looking for what's bad. Looking for what's

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Speaker 2: bad takes a while. But because you know, we've got

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Speaker 2: a time, and I want to get onto the other

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Speaker 2: forty seven calls, Tom has this hour and not get

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Speaker 2: yelled at you know, could we have I just want

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Speaker 2: to plant some seats. Could we have a dirty throttle body?

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Speaker 2: Could we have a faulty intermittent throttle position sensor switch?

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Speaker 2: Because I believe in ninety two it was a combination

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Speaker 2: diagram to verify this that it had a when it

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Speaker 2: went to idle, it was a switch. It said hey,

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Speaker 2: we're at idle, and it had a switch that changed

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Speaker 2: position to tell the computer that's who were in a

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Speaker 2: different fuel strategy. And then as you accelerated there was

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Speaker 2: a transition from switch contact to sensor contact. Not uncommon,

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Speaker 2: especially something I don't want to pick on age, but

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Speaker 2: we're what forty thirty where we thirty two years old?

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Speaker 2: It's seen a few wipes of its day, so you know,

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Speaker 2: can we look at that? But the only thing that's

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Speaker 2: a would be a labscope. You're not going to see

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Speaker 2: that on a digital vault homemeter, all right, So we

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Speaker 2: could scope it. We could you know, find out if

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Speaker 2: a throttle position sensor from Toyota is still available and

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Speaker 2: it's fifty bucks. Fifty bucks is a cheap diagnosis on

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Speaker 2: the thirty something year old car, right that's number one.

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Speaker 2: Number two, have you ever done any sort of fuel

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Speaker 2: system cleaning to this vehicle?

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Speaker 3: It's been done before and I used the burying the product. Okay,

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Speaker 3: you know at least once a year I.

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Speaker 2: Put it in, well once a year in the tank. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so do that four times a year. First of all,

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Speaker 2: once a year is not enough, all right? And then

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Speaker 2: have you ever done a formal hookup to the rail

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Speaker 2: injector injector cleaning?

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Speaker 3: I haven't done it at a garage. They have done that, okay.

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Speaker 2: And then you know, have we looked at the intake

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Speaker 2: valves with a borescope? You know, just how dirty is everything?

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Speaker 2: How bad do we want to go looking for this? Right?

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Speaker 2: Because it's either it's either we've got weak spark or

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Speaker 2: fuel delivery issue. You know, the fuel delivery issue could

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Speaker 2: be caused by the throttle position switch sensor, all right.

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Speaker 2: The ignition issue could be and more likely distributor related,

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Speaker 2: something internal, faulty, module, faulty pickup, something along those lines.

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Speaker 2: So I'm trying to eliminate the easy stuff first. I'm

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Speaker 2: trying to back my way into the hard stuff. So

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Speaker 2: you know, those are the things that I would look at,

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Speaker 2: and that's the course of action I would take, because

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Speaker 2: how random is this?

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Speaker 4: Is it?

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Speaker 2: Every once in a while.

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Speaker 3: Every once in a while, I last time I was

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Speaker 3: out with the car, I pulled over it and I

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Speaker 3: increased the idol a little bit and it avoided it happening.

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Speaker 3: But you know, when you put in theory feel you

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Speaker 3: know the idol it bangs.

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Speaker 2: Right, this this sounds more and more like an issue

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Speaker 2: in the area of that throttle switch, because because now

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Speaker 2: I'm now I'm going to sit here and say, in

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Speaker 2: my mind, if this is a switch sensor vehicle, you

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Speaker 2: may have taken it past the point where those switch

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Speaker 2: contacts are doing anything. So in other words, to talk

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Speaker 2: generic numbers. All right, don't hold me to this at

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Speaker 2: if at proper closed throttle, how are you raising the idol?

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Speaker 2: Are you turning the minimum mital speed screw?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: The cable okay, you're you're using the cable to hold

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Speaker 2: it open.

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Speaker 3: Right, Okay, if I've looked down the throat and everything's cleaning, right.

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Speaker 2: There's about a million things wrong with using the cable.

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Speaker 2: By the way, just so there's like, you know, I

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Speaker 2: don't have time to list the wall if they gave

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Speaker 2: me the rest of the year. So let's right. Yeah, no, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I get it, dude, I get it one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: So that tells me, the problem is there, all right,

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Speaker 2: I would go down to your local garage. Do they

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Speaker 2: have a scope? Can they hook up to it? All right?

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Speaker 2: Put it back to where it should be. Now, if

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Speaker 2: I had to do a seat of the pants, guess

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Speaker 2: all right, it's it's old enough and everybody's kind of

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Speaker 2: picked at this, I would actually take that minimum mityle stop,

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Speaker 2: turn it until the throttle plate just kisses the housing,

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Speaker 2: and then crack it a quarter turn off all right, yeah,

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Speaker 2: quarter turns a good number. All right, It doesn't have

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Speaker 2: to be a lot. You just have to get the

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Speaker 2: plate off the housing. And then I would watch the

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Speaker 2: throttle position sensor where's the voltage? And you can actually

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Speaker 2: do it by where's the voltage before? Where's the voltage after?

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Speaker 2: Put the cable back to where it was, Watch the

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Speaker 2: voltage on the switch, figure out which is the signal

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Speaker 2: return wire? Blue wire? Trying to remember thirty some years ago,

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Speaker 2: but yes, blue wire, blue or yellow? But I would

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Speaker 2: look at it. Okay, so when we get it down

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Speaker 2: to base voltage, crack it a quarter turn all right,

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Speaker 2: just enough to get the plate off the housing, and

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Speaker 2: then right start doing a sweep test. And then if

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Speaker 2: he's got a heat gun in the shop. If he

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Speaker 2: puts a little heat to that sensor, watching it on

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Speaker 2: a labscope, can we catch the glitch? All right? But

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Speaker 2: I would definitely be watching that throttle switch and I

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Speaker 2: would hopefully try and get something original from Toyota. If not,

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Speaker 2: go take a look and see what Standard has in

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Speaker 2: their catalog Standard motor products. Would I would trust something

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Speaker 2: from them as long as they've been around for what

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Speaker 2: they're doing. I know what they're engineering is all about.

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Speaker 2: Standard makes it some great products by all means.

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Speaker 3: This summer I changed the lower control arm because it

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Speaker 3: was kind of rushed where I didn't like to look

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Speaker 3: at it. And fortunately Dorman I had one for it,

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Speaker 3: and I got that during the summer and put it in.

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Speaker 3: So try to keep after it. It's been, you know,

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Speaker 3: reasonably good shape for a day. Better shape than I am.

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Speaker 2: Well'll tell you what. Let me send you out a

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Speaker 2: car doctor coffee cup. Stay on the line. Tom's going

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Speaker 2: to get your info and we'll get what You're very welcome, sir.

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Speaker 2: We'll get that out to you and you can sit

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Speaker 2: there and look at the Toyota at least drink coffee.

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Speaker 2: It's a great cup. It's got a great handle, everybody

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Speaker 2: loves it, and it's got a ronism on it. We've

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Speaker 2: added that word to the English language. We're going to

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Speaker 2: be as good as Seinfeld someday and we'll get that

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Speaker 2: out to you in the mill and Merry Christmas, Happy

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Speaker 2: Holidays and so forth to you.

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Speaker 5: Paul.

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Speaker 2: Well there in New Hampshire Way, I'm running Endy in

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Speaker 2: the car. Doctor. I'll be back right after this. Let's

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Speaker 2: go down North Carolina away and talk to Jim. Oh

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Speaker 2: six som another SOB story. I love that line. I

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Speaker 2: love working on another SOB story. So how can I

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Speaker 2: how can I? Well, if somebody's got to be a

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Speaker 2: little funny, I mean, and as my wife would say, Ron,

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Speaker 2: you are a little funny. Okay, Jim, how can I

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Speaker 2: help you today?

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Speaker 4: Okay?

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Speaker 6: What I did was I removed last Saturday the seat

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Speaker 2: So they're indexed. So one's a little more forward than

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Speaker 2: the other, yes, sir, okay, So are they tied together?

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Speaker 2: I remember what the base looks like. Are they individual rails?

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Speaker 2: Are the individual tracks?

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Speaker 6: Yes they are. There's a common motor at the front

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Speaker 2: Right, because this is a power seat. And if you

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 6: What the motor arrangement is is it's kind of like

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Speaker 6: sure it does not have the doesn't have the fixtures

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Speaker 6: to connect the drill tube, which would make it easy. Right.

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Speaker 2: So can we put one side of the seat track

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Speaker 6: Well, from what I've seen with the motor engaged, it

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Speaker 2: So what is it this? So are you saying the

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I haven't tried it, Okay, that would be my first question,

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Speaker 2: because if they can, that means they can be separated

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Speaker 6: There's a procedure and there's a procedure in Mitchell's DIY

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Speaker 2: Right, So if it can be removed, that means it's

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Speaker 2: got to be an indexing procedure.

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Speaker 6: Okay, you're not familiar with an indexing procedure.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's got to be a way. If you're telling me,

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Speaker 2: They put it together at the factory, is what I'm

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Speaker 2: trying to say. It can't be that difficult.

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Speaker 6: I agree, it can't be that difficult. That's why I

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Speaker 2: You're right, do this? Do this? Send me the VIN

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Speaker 2: seventeen digit vin at Ron at cardoctorshow dot com. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I've got I've got some old SOB books back at

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 6: Basically, the track that is further forward, the motor will

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Speaker 2: Okay, so it won't move.

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Speaker 6: It won't move to the back of the track that's

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Speaker 2: So if we put I mean, if we try this

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Speaker 2: move that? Does it move that motor and line it up?

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Speaker 2: Does it move that track and line it up?

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Speaker 6: No, nothing moves the tracks. The seat moves in the track,

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Speaker 2: Got it? Okay, something jumped out of phase here, and

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Speaker 2: top of my head. Send me an email, Jim, and

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Speaker 2: I'll yeah with a seventeen digit Vin and I'll get

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Speaker 2: you some information. All right, I'm happy to email it

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Speaker 2: to you. Stay on the line. Let Tom get your

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Speaker 2: coffee cup as well, so while you're pondering this, you

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Speaker 2: All right, sir, thank you very much. You're very welcome.

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Speaker 2: You'd be well, let's go over to Jeff and Oregon.

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Speaker 2: And uh oh, let's not go to Jeff and Oregon.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a pause here and okay, top, yeah, I know,

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Speaker 2: They ain't get a cheese steak, by the way, but

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Speaker 2: And I explained that, well, we're by appointment, and she

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Speaker 2: I said, well, do you work by appointment? And she

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Speaker 2: And I think that if you're not managing your time

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Speaker 2: And I'm proud to say that one of the things

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Speaker 4: Night a ride and he's help run keep you right.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Jeff and Oregon. Jeff, how can I help?

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Speaker 2: I'm here, Yes, sir, how can I help?

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Speaker 4: So? I just wanted to talk to you. I've got

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Speaker 2: Oh say that again, Jeff, back up about two sentences

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Speaker 2: you were breaking up.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry. Let me remove you. I'll take you off

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Speaker 4: to speak of phone.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 4: So my nineteen ninety five Dodge with the five point

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Speaker 2: Right, So the input, part of the input for converter

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Speaker 2: Brake lights switch if you put if you put brake

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Speaker 2: in and out. So you can go look for that.

437
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,280
Speaker 2: You'd have to locate sensor ground, make sure the sensor

438
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,440
Speaker 2: ground wire is correct. You may want to add a

439
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 2: redundant ground to that as well and see if the

440
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 2: problem goes away. Just verifying that the TPS is working correctly.

441
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 4: And I did install a new throtough position sensor as well.

442
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,879
Speaker 2: Right right, And if you and you know, and a

443
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 2: throttle position sensor. But if the ground is bad, you know,

444
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 2: doing a sensor nothing, all you're doing is sweeping part YEP,

445
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 2: So I would say, go find that, go find that ground.

446
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 2: And I'm not afraid on an older rusty Is it

447
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,639
Speaker 2: a rusty kind of vehicle? Is it a rusty vehicle

448
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 2: for like of a delet way to say that, Jeff.

449
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, No, it's it's it's uh, it's ninety percent

450
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 4: from the factory. I mean, I haven't done anything to it.

451
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 2: It's right, right, But I'm saying the undercarriage, you know,

452
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 2: body grounds, everything's clean, tight as was you know, it's

453
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,159
Speaker 2: how can I say this delicately? You don't feel like

454
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 2: you need a tetan the shot working on it and

455
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 2: on this correct you? Okay? All right? Then I would,

456
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:36,959
Speaker 2: you know, I would. I wouldn't be afraid to run

457
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:38,879
Speaker 2: an auxiliary ground right to the battery and to the

458
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,360
Speaker 2: engine ground and make sure that that TPS is grounded

459
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 2: correctly and see if that does it for you if

460
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:45,880
Speaker 2: you don't have a scope in the ability to look

461
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 2: at signal ground.

462
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:47,159
Speaker 3: Ye.

463
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 4: In fact, I had all the negatives and the positive

464
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 4: wires and the batteries all changed because uh, that was

465
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:54,679
Speaker 4: the first thing I did was I wanted to make

466
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 4: sure it was getting a good clean electrical right. But

467
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,440
Speaker 4: you're right. Uh so, is there like a ground down

468
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 4: by the transmission externally, then I should be looking at

469
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 4: or you refer to the wire.

470
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 2: The throttle position sensor itself has its own ground wire. Okay,

471
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,120
Speaker 2: as I recall again, my memory is being tested today

472
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:18,120
Speaker 2: a lot of older vehicles.

473
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,119
Speaker 4: I think that's right. I was reading something else about that,

474
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 4: and I did buy an additional noise isolation wire just

475
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 4: in case. Right, you're right, I'll find that ground.

476
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 2: I'll find that ground that I would. I would add

477
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,399
Speaker 2: that ground. It doesn't you know, it doesn't hurt to

478
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,479
Speaker 2: have too many grounds, right, Yeah, I've never I've never

479
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 2: run into a case where putting an extra ground or

480
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 2: two on a vehicle made a problem. It usually it

481
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 2: usually solves a problem. So I would do that and

482
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 2: at least eliminate that. And then my other question would

483
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 2: be you mentioned that you took it to the trans

484
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 2: shop that installed the trans Did it do it before

485
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 2: the trans was replaced?

486
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 4: No?

487
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 2: Okay, and don't think.

488
00:23:54,920 --> 00:24:00,199
Speaker 4: It did before. That was the let me see it

489
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 4: was the overdrive would come out? It would it came

490
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 4: out of overdrive right by itself. There's a button on

491
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 4: the dash I can push to remove it from overdrive.

492
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 4: But I always left it in overdrive, but it would

493
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 4: come out of overdrive on its own, and then it

494
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 4: was struggling to shift from second to third. So that's

495
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 4: when I decided to have the transmission.

496
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 2: So on the chance that it's not them, as a

497
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 2: result of them doing the trans the other thing you

498
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 2: may want to consider. You know, it's funny. I started

499
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,679
Speaker 2: the other hour this week talking to a gentleman about

500
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: his diesel truck in Hawaii and putting a tuner kit

501
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 2: on it. Here's an example of doing a tuner kit

502
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 2: if it gives you the ability to program transmission shift

503
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:41,160
Speaker 2: point and converter lock up where it kind of makes

504
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 2: sense if they make such a thing for that model year,

505
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 2: and I would I would bet they do, right that,

506
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 2: you know, using a tuner kit to modify where that

507
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 2: converter locks on and have the ability to you know,

508
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 2: sometimes they give you separate controls mounted on the desk

509
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 2: to give you the ability to shift that on and off.

510
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 2: And maybe that's maybe that's it. Maybe that's a direction

511
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 2: to go as well.

512
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I you're right, I never I haven't done

513
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 4: anything to the motor itself, all right, but that's not

514
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 4: a bad idea. I did not do the brake switch,

515
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 4: which you were talking about earlier, and just take it

516
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 4: for me.

517
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 2: Just take it. Just take it for a ride. Watch

518
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 2: the tack. Does it come out of lock up? When

519
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 2: you step on the brake, Keep your foot on the

520
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 2: keep your foot on the gas, do your you know,

521
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 2: sixty miles an hour, Take your foot gently, gently tap

522
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 2: the brake pedal. Don't engage the brake, just engage the switch.

523
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 2: Does it does it? Does it come out of lock up?

524
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,439
Speaker 2: And if it does? If it does, I'd want to know.

525
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 2: Is the brake light coming on?

526
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,719
Speaker 4: Oh? I see? Well normally, uh yeah, I usually I'm

527
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 4: not on the brake when when it comes.

528
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,679
Speaker 2: Up, right, I'm not saying you are on the brake.

529
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 4: But it's just not releasing, is what you're saying.

530
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 2: No, what I'm saying is is the brake light switch

531
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 2: falsely activating the circuit, causing the converter to hunt. That's

532
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about, right, is it?

533
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 4: You know?

534
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 2: Where I'm just trying to look at I'm trying to

535
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 2: look at inputs and out. I'm trying to look for

536
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 2: what's good, what's the what's the rule I'm gonna put

537
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 2: this on the next coffee cup, which, by the way,

538
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 2: you're gonna be getting one of I'm gonna put this

539
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 2: on the next coffee cup. Tell me what's good, I'll

540
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 2: tell you what's bad, right, and and we'll kind of

541
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 2: go from there. All right, sir, I got to move along,

542
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 2: but yeah, you're very welcome you too. Let Tom get

543
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: your information. We'll send you out. A car Doctor coffee

544
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 2: cup is part of our holiday giveaway this week. I'm

545
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,360
Speaker 2: ronnin Andy and the car Doctor. We are back right

546
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 2: after this. Hey, isn't this a great way to spend

547
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 2: the day? Right? An hour or two of talk and

548
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 2: auto repair and some of the problems that come up.

549
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 2: I really enjoy the time I get to spend with

550
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 2: you guys every week, So thank you for being here.

551
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 2: Let's go over to Brad and Iowa oh nine Ford

552
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 2: fusion and some ABS problems. Brad, you're out with the

553
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 2: car doctor. How can I help?

554
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 3: All right?

555
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 7: Ron at you taking the call? Yes, I got two

556
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 7: thousand and nine fusion that has ABS issues. Whenever there's

557
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 7: an ABS event, the car will not release the brake

558
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 7: pedal it has to go. The pedal goes clear to

559
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 7: the floor and the car has to come to a

560
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 7: complete stop, at which point the brake releases, the pedal

561
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 7: comes back up, and you can drive on normally after that. Now,

562
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 7: we had the hydraulic unit replaced one time. There might

563
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 7: have been a recall at one time. I have a

564
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 7: friend acquaintance that works at the local Ford dealer, and

565
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 7: we brought it in. It was one of those Saturday

566
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 7: morning I can work on my own stuff thing, bring

567
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 7: it in and I'll swap it out for.

568
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 4: You kind of things.

569
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 7: So and that may have turned out to kind of

570
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 7: bite us in the rear a little bit, because the

571
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 7: bottom line is is it didn't fix the problem. And

572
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 7: then we came back in later through their regular shop

573
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 7: and they claimed in the middle of the winter that

574
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 7: they couldn't figure out what was caused it, that we

575
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 7: needed to bring it in when it was slick out

576
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 7: so they could try it. We well, I got it

577
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 7: to work during the middle of the summer, believe it

578
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 7: or not. Right, And I'll tell you that story that

579
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 7: was kind of funny actually, but God, I was.

580
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 2: Going to say, if we disconnect the ABS hydraulic control

581
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: unit electrically, just unplug it right, so it doesn't work,

582
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 2: and just go out and do a panic stop in

583
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 2: a parking lot, hit the pedal as hard as you

584
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 2: would with ABS.

585
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, would be fine with that.

586
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, you know, if we did that,

587
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 2: and you know, does the problem happen? Yes or no?

588
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 4: I don't know.

589
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 7: I haven't tried that, but I sure will you.

590
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 2: Know, because my question becomes, you know and if it does,

591
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,719
Speaker 2: if the problem does happen, then I'm going to tell

592
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 2: you it's got nothing to do with ABS, right. ABS

593
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 2: is out of the equation, right, okay, Because in my mind,

594
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 2: is it I'm hitting the pedal hard or I'm hitting

595
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 2: the pedal hard and creating an ABS event? Which is it?

596
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 7: Well, it's it's one of these deals where you know,

597
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 7: it started out like in the winter time when it

598
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 7: would slick out, you'd go to tap the brakes and

599
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,959
Speaker 7: you'd be on a slick surface and you'd have an

600
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 7: ABS event. Right, The brakes would lock up, the wheels

601
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 7: would lock up and cause an ABS event, at which

602
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 7: point then it would do exactly what I described and

603
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 7: it wouldn't release the brake pedal if you had to

604
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 7: come to a complete stop before it would release the brake.

605
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 7: Pedal and you'd go on about your normal driving.

606
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 2: Just because this almost sounds like either the booster, this

607
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: has a break booster on it. Correct, Oh sure, oh yeah,

608
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 2: this this almost sounds like the booster or the master

609
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: is bound up or binding up not allowing the pedal

610
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: to return.

611
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 7: Well, it feels like normal brake pedal as long as

612
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 7: you don't have an ABS event.

613
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, no, I understand. Well, well, no, we don't

614
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 2: know if it's based on the ABS event. Ye get

615
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 2: that out of your head. Right, This is this because

616
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: are we pushing the pedal down further? And that's that's

617
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 2: what I'm trying to disseminate. Right, Although you said, tap

618
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: the brake and you create an ABS event and the

619
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 2: problem happens, all right.

620
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 7: Well, the slick surface creates the ABS event. When you

621
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 7: apply the brakes. It takes less pressure to get the

622
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 7: wheels to stop because there's no rolling resistance there. I

623
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 7: mean it just the wheels are on a slick surface,

624
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 7: so it's easy to get them to stop. Well, the

625
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 7: minute the wheels come to a stop, you know, you

626
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 7: get that, you.

627
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 5: Know well that you get with ABS right, Well, the reason.

628
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 7: That occurs once that occurs you're done. It has to

629
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 7: stop before it releases.

630
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, understand what ABS is doing is it's keeping

631
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 2: the wheels from locking.

632
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 3: Up, right it's supposed to.

633
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, that's that's the tone ring.

634
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 7: The tone ring isn't turning, so it the sensors pick

635
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 7: up that it isn't turning so.

636
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 2: Right, and it starts. It starts to put the brake

637
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 2: pedal in to bypass at the at the control unit.

638
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 2: Which is why I come back to if we unplug

639
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 2: the control unit electrically, Yeah, does it occur? And if

640
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 2: it if it doesn't occur, So we know that pressing

641
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 2: on the brake pedal hard to get a panic four

642
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 2: wheel stop, all right, doesn't allow the problem to happen.

643
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 2: Then I'm going to tell you it's in the ABS unit.

644
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 2: That would be the only logical thing. The other thing

645
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 2: I could try is if I were to crack a bleeder,

646
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 2: all right? Does that release the pedal without turning the

647
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: vehicle off. But I'd have to do that awful quick, right,

648
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 2: How would I get it to the list to get

649
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 2: it to which creates a problem. Do I have a

650
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,719
Speaker 2: bad brekos you'd have to have you have to have

651
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 2: like a collapsed brake. Cose it's some critical juncture because

652
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: it's not that the brakes don't release, the pedal doesn't

653
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 2: come up correct.

654
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 7: Well, no, the brakes don't release, the wheel doesn't the

655
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 7: wheels are all locked up right.

656
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 2: But but is it that the brake pedal stays down. Yes,

657
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: the brake pedal in the car stays down, yes, clear

658
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: to the floor right. So to me that sounds it's

659
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 2: you know, I just I want to listen. I want

660
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 2: to eliminate what's good. That's why I say disconnect the ABS.

661
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 2: I want to know that the beaster and the master

662
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 2: are working. And then I've got a bad ABS hydrol

663
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 2: the control unit, which probably isn't available anymore.

664
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 5: So the whole conversations, Yeah, well this thing, this thing's

665
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,959
Speaker 5: been to the to the Ford garage and they couldn't

666
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 5: figure it out. Well today say there's no problem because

667
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 5: and so they were wanting me to bring it back

668
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 5: when it was slick out and I'm like, man, it

669
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 5: has been slick.

670
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 7: I have brought it in. I got this to literally

671
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 7: work during June, the middle of June, during the summer,

672
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 7: because some idiot with a cell phone walked out in

673
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 7: front of me on a street.

674
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 2: Right, that really woke came out right? Well, yeah, no,

675
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 2: I I get that, Brad. I guess my point is,

676
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 2: I'm trying to circumvent the problem. And you know, how

677
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 2: can I prove what's good? If if I can prove

678
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 2: what's good, then I'll tell you what's bad. And if

679
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: it comes back to a hydraulic control unit, they're not

680
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 2: available anymore. And you know that's a whole other conversation.

681
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: Stand in the line. Let Tom send you a coffee cup.

682
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 2: Happy holidays from the Car Doctor and all of us here,

683
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 2: and we appreciate you being part of the car Doctor family.

684
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 2: I'm ronning any and the car Doctor. I'll be back

685
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: right after this. Hey, I want to just take a

686
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 2: couple of minutes and talk to you about young people

687
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: in cars. I just are we done yet, okay? I

688
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 2: just want to talk to you a little bit about

689
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 2: young people in cars. I think it's an important thing

690
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 2: to be aware of. And you know, we've got responsibilities

691
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 2: as the elders, okay, and I consider if you're above

692
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 2: thirty or an older so don't duck out on me.

693
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 2: Had a young man come into the shop this week,

694
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 2: all of nineteen years old, big six foot two, big

695
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 2: kid and looking for a job as a mechanic. I

696
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 2: just graduated trade school. And I said, yeah, I'm not

697
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 2: high at the time, but can I give you a

698
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 2: Nichols worth of free advice. I've been doing this a

699
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 2: little while and you know, I just want to make

700
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: you aware And he said sure. I said, do you

701
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 2: have a resume?

702
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 3: No?

703
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 2: Okay? Can you pull your pants up? Can you put

704
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 2: on a clean shirt? Can you come up with a resume?

705
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 2: And I said it nice, I was kind. I was

706
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: trying to, you know, church them up a little. And

707
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 2: I think it's important. So if you're out there looking

708
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,919
Speaker 2: for a job, you know, presentation is important to most

709
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 2: shop owners. It is to me because how you present

710
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: to me is how you're going to present to my customers,

711
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 2: because you're representing me as the business. And you've got

712
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 2: to stop and consider that if you dress like a pirate,

713
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 2: you're going to be viewed as a pirate, and you

714
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 2: act like a pirate and be a pirate. So you know,

715
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:51,720
Speaker 2: dressing counts, right, appearance counts. If you're driving a vehicle,

716
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 2: and this also happened this week, a young person ron

717
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 2: get the car and shape my son is taking his

718
00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: car to Cape Cod for Christmas holiday and for Chris.

719
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 2: She's a single mom trying to raise this young man.

720
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 2: And we looked the car over. The car does not

721
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 2: have a spare, it's got a tire, it's got no wheel.

722
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 2: As they explained to her, if he gets a flat,

723
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 2: he's got a problem. So make sure the car is

724
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 2: in good shape for your kid, and make sure they

725
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 2: know some of the basics. I'm taking care of it

726
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 2: till the next time. I'm ronnin eighty in the car doctor,

727
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 2: reminding each and every one of you. Good mechanics aren't expensive,

728
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 2: they're priceless. See you, He's a car doctor. Car advice.

729
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 3: Don't ride