WEBVTT - It Could Happen Here Weekly 201 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:03.120 Also media. 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:05.720 Hey everybody, Robert Evans here and I wanted to let 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:09.440 you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:12.720 of the week that just happened is here in one 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:16.520 convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:19.040 listen to in a long stretch if you want. If 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:21.000 you've been listening to the episodes every day this week, 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:22.759 there's going to be nothing new here for you, but 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:24.880 you can make your own decisions. 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:28.400 Hi. 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:31.600 Everyone, welcome to the podcast. It's me James today and 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:35.839 I'm very fortunate to be joined by Francis, whose husband 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:40.159 Amos is facing a date in immigration court this week. 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:42.960 We wanted to bring you a first time perspective of 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:46.199 what it's like going through immigration court right now. So Francis, 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:47.479 thank you for joining us. 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:49.919 Thank you, thank you so much for having me. 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:53.320 Yeah, of course, we're very glad you're here. So to 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:57.959 start with, like, would you like to explain your families 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:01.480 and it's a lengthy topic, family's immigration story. 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:07.120 Yes, I met my husband Amos in the Hollywood. We 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:09.680 were both living in Hollywood and we dated a couple 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:12.240 of years there and then ended up moving to his 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:15.600 home country of Tunisia because he had a big family 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:18.039 there and I don't have much family here and we 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:21.039 wanted to have children. It's much better cost of living there, 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:25.200 and at the time the government there was doing pretty well. 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:27.280 There had been an Arab Spring, which my husband was 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:31.280 very much involved with on this over here in the States, 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:34.720 like helping with that, and so he's an activist, and 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:37.440 at the time the government there was pretty good. So 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:40.920 we lived there for eight years, had our children there, 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:46.280 and a new presidency came in while we were living there, 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:52.160 the current president Caius said, and things started to change. 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:56.440 So my husband was doing a lot of organizing grassroots 0:01:56.680 --> 0:02:00.480 movement through local farmers' unions and monitoring elections, doing pro 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:06.520 democracy activities for anti corruption and he's really an activist 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:10.680 for free speech and things like that. So he started 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:15.840 getting harassed. He was arrested, he was beaten up by 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:20.600 the police and things like that. So it started getting 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.360 very uncomfortable. Also, I was getting harassed. I would get 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:26.639 pulled over a lot by the police. They would impound 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:29.320 our car, they would take us out. Yeah, the police 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:32.680 there carry big guns, you know, as in most Arab countries, 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:35.560 and so it was very frightening for me. Yeah, they 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:37.880 carry big guns. They're either on their backs or even 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:40.280 in their hands, and they would have me and the 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:44.239 kids get out of the car, and it was very frightening. So, yeah, 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:47.240 the children and I, well, we were all planning on 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:49.880 coming back to the States. I hadn't been home in 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:52.960 a while, and so the children and I went ahead 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:56.400 and came, assuming that my husband would be able to 0:02:57.240 --> 0:03:01.040 get at least a visa to you know, see us. 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:05.680 And while once we were here, he was not able 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:08.720 to get a visa. He tried and tried and tried, 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:13.000 and I was begging the embassy to allow him to 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:15.760 see us here, and they just would not. So we 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:18.880 were separated for nine months. So him being away from 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:21.240 our children they were about four and six at the time, 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:25.800 or maybe five and seven. It was devastating for all 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:29.320 of us. So he ended up taking a very treacherous 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:32.960 journey across South America and made his way through many 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:36.880 countries and presented himself for asylum at the border, because 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:39.800 again we did not feel safe living in Tunia anymore. 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:44.640 So he presented himself for asylum at the border and 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.760 they allowed him into this country with a court date. 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:50.839 And at the time Biden was president, so things are, 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:54.520 you know, have changed a lot since then. You know, 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:58.360 the immigration system is broken. Everybody knows that. It takes 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:01.120 years and years and years, tons and tons of money 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:04.040 for an immigrant to you know, go through the process. 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:06.160 You know people who say, oh, just do it the 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:10.080 right way. It's not that simple. It takes a lot 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:12.480 of money and a lot of time, and it's very complicated. 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:17.960 And when you're fleeing a country or a situation where 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:21.120 you're in danger, there is no other option, you know, 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:25.160 there's nowhere to go back. So that's what we're kind 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:28.359 of facing now. So he had a court date. We've 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:33.920 had five master hearings, and we've gone through a few 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:36.760 different lawyers because we have found, for one thing, it's 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:39.960 extremely difficult to find a lawyer these days because they're 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:43.359 very overbooked. Most of them are not taking new cases. 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:46.120 People tell us, oh, just get a pro bono lawyer. 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:50.720 It is almost impossible to get a pro bono lawyer anymore. 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:53.640 And you know, who has thousands and thousands of extra 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:57.520 dollars to pay for legal help with the situation. We 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:01.640 do have a lawyer now, thinks to some fundraising that 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:04.520 we've done so since he's been here, we've had to 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:08.080 check in at the ICE office, Like it was on 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:11.320 sort of a basis of after you have a court 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:13.960 hearing the next day or within a couple of days, 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:15.760 you must go check in it ICE. And it's been 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:19.599 very fine, like the there's a very nice officer there 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:23.159 who knows us and help tries to help answer our questions. 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:26.720 So it was pretty calm when Biden was president. And 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:29.960 then now that Trump's administration has taken over, we knew 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:31.440 that there would be a lot of changes and we 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:36.200 were very frightened. So we went for a hearing earlier 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:38.800 this year. You know, we're just a lot more nervous. 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:42.240 And the hearing went fine, just kind of as normal. 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:45.440 We went to the ICE check in. I think our 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:47.960 guard was kind of down because we thought, since the 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:51.080 hearing went fine, this will go fine. Yeah, and the 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:54.320 nice officer told us, you know, well this is going 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:56.200 to sound a little scary, but we need you to 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:58.640 go check in at a different place this time. And 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:01.200 so they sent us to a comp called ICE app. 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:05.200 They own i think migrant detention centers. So we went 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:07.520 to this place and he was there the whole day. 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:10.719 They were interviewing him. They put an app in his phone, 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:14.320 so that now he has to do these weekly check 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:17.359 ins where his phone makes this loud alarm sound. He 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:20.599 must stop everything and take a picture of himself. There's 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:23.080 a monthly home visit where they come to our house 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:27.400 and take his picture and ask him questions. There's we 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:30.960 have to go check in at their office, and also 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:33.120 he does virtual check in, so it's just a lot 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:37.320 more and everything was kind of going as planned. We 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:41.160 are last hearing in July. That was really stressful because 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:44.400 we didn't have a lawyer leading up to it, and 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:47.559 at the last second we were able to get a lawyer. 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:49.560 And the reason it's so important to have a lawyer 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:52.679 is because if you don't, you must appear in person, 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:56.960 and that's very stressful and frightening. Again, we have small children. 0:06:57.200 --> 0:07:00.000 We don't even do babysitters, like we're always just together 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:03.359 that we're a very tight family unit, and so we 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:06.240 go to these things together. And we really wanted this 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:10.000 last one in July to be virtual because if it's virtual, 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:12.200 you know, it just feels a lot safer. We're in 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:14.640 the comfort of our own home and we've been hearing 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:16.680 in the news, you know, how they're picking up people 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:21.080 outside of their court hearings. So we got the attorney, 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:25.440 we got a virtual hearing. It was a very short hearing. 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:27.760 It was great because she just gave us the next 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:31.400 hearing date was September of twenty twenty eight, and the 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:34.720 judge said, Okay, see you in twenty twenty eight, and 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:38.440 we breathed a sigh of relief, cross our fingers, did 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:41.640 our necessary check ins, and we were just you know, 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:45.360 hoping that everything would be fine. Well just here at 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:48.240 the end of August beginning of September, we get out 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:51.400 of the blue a new notice. It was very interesting too, 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:55.440 because this iceapp company calls us and says, good news, 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:58.840 We're gonna lessen the amount of check ins you have 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:00.840 to do. It's going to be a lot less now. So, 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:03.400 you know, it was interesting because she's like, this is 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:05.200 great news for you. She like once a month, you'll 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:07.040 still do the weekly ones, and then it's just going 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:09.679 to be once a month, okay. But then she says, 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:13.240 and then we'll see you after your hearing in September, 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:16.400 meaning this September. And we thought it was a mistake 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:19.240 because we knew we had one in twenty twenty eight. Yeah, 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:21.840 like no no, you got a new hearing notice. So 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:24.760 that's how we found out. They didn't send it to us. 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:27.120 Even our lawyer didn't know. So we find out that 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:30.040 we have a new hearing out of the blue. There 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:32.880 was a mix up about the dates, but anyway, it 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:36.560 was September eleventh or fifteenth, and then our attorney asked 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:39.040 for an extension right and the most they could give 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:41.760 us was nine days. So now our hearing is this 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:47.240 coming Wednesday, September twenty fourth and on. This has never 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:50.040 happened before, but when again, when you have an attorney, 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:54.040 you can appear virtually, and on this hearing notice it 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:57.760 said that the attorney can appear virtually, but the respondent 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:01.160 must appear in person, and that is highly unusual. It's 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:04.600 in bold at the top. So our attorney agrees with 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:07.360 us that it's pretty clear. The plan is. What they've 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:10.480 been doing now is when you go to court, they 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:15.200 drop your case. So now it's dismissed, and therefore you 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:18.880 are just here without due process, and like now you 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:21.400 don't have a right to do process. It's done, so 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:24.640 you're just here illegally, and then they are sometimes waiting 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:26.760 for you in the hallway or outside the building to 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:30.720 take you to iced attention. So obviously, since we found 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:35.200 this out, I mean, we've just been sleepless nights, full 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:37.720 panic mode of figuring out like what to do, and 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:41.560 then our attorney doesn't even have answers for us. She 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:44.960 does not know what to do. She says, this is 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:47.160 all new to her, it's new to all the lawyers. 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:49.160 She doesn't even know what to do or who to ask. 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:52.840 And that's frightening, because that's why we have an attorney, 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:57.320 you know. It's we're hoping for some support or someone 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:00.640 who's knowledgeable about the law and what our options, and 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:04.120 it feels like we don't have any. We feel extremely helpless, 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:08.800 and I've never thought I would see this in my country, 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:13.360 my quote unquote free country that I have lived in 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:16.520 most of my life and grew up in. Also, about 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:20.640 two weeks ago, they changed the law where now we 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:23.199 are not entitled to a bond hearing, so if he 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:25.920 is taken into detention, we can't even get him out, 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:28.360 because that was the first thing we thought was, well, well, 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:30.680 let's just try to get some money together and we'll 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:33.840 bail him out. Yeah, that's not even an option anymore. 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:39.160 So again more fear. So we're dealing with all of 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:43.480 this and wondering what to do as far as you know. Again, 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:46.120 we have small children. They're now seven and nine years old. 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:48.760 We're extremely happy where we're living. We live in a 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:52.319 small community that does lean on the conservative side, so 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:54.880 we do feel a little uncomfortable with some of our 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:58.800 neighbors and their flags and everything. They're very bold, so, 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:03.120 you know, and you can't high being brown, so it's awkward. 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:06.600 And then our children because of the way that we 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.840 left before. When we left Tunisia, it was pretty sudden. 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:12.160 We kind of took them out of school and just 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:16.120 came to America and left their dad behind. So they've 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:18.720 been in therapy ever since. They each have a weekly 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:22.400 therapist just to help with if they're you know, if 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:25.040 they're going to have any symptoms of trauma coming up 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:29.000 for them. And they're doing great. Actually, they're thriving here. 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:31.440 They are so happy. They are in the best school. 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:35.120 I actually work at their school, and my husband volunteers 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:38.480 at the school and he's been their soccer coach for 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:40.680 both of their teams, which was a lot to take on. 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:45.000 He also volunteers in our community at a ranch, helping 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:50.320 with horses and at a facility for senior citizens. And 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:53.000 he does have a work permit. They granted him a 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:55.280 work permit, which took a long time to get. 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:57.560 That's good because I can take a long time. 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:01.360 It took a long time, over a year, but he 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:04.920 does have it now. So we got excited because he 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:07.000 only got the work permit a couple months ago. So 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:10.319 we're very excited. You know, he can work. And now 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:13.800 it's just out of the blue, our world has turned 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:18.120 upside down where there's a strong potential that he will 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:22.520 be taken into ice custody. And listen, I understand if 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:24.840 that's how they want to do things now, but if 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:28.960 it was like a safer situation where maybe they. 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:31.480 Just I don't know. 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:36.360 It's just there's so many unknowns about where are they 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:40.760 taking him. There's our lawyer does not think we will 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:44.440 be informed about where they take him. That's one thing 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:47.840 which means we probably won't be able to communicate with him. 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:51.080 We don't know how long he'll be there. They could 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:53.880 keep him there the entire three years until twenty twenty eight. 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.320 They might just want to keep him in detention and wait, 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:58.640 you know, for his next year. It doesn't make any 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:02.560 sense to me because that costs money, and he's a 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:06.480 tax payer. Wouldn't it pay more if he's home working. 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:10.920 By the way, yes, he has no criminal record whatsoever. 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:15.000 He has not broken any immigration laws at least when 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:18.560 he came over the border. It was legal to present 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:21.040 yourself for asylum when you are coming from a country 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:24.360 like he was where he was, you know, being harassed, 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:27.520 detained right and his entire family like we were being 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:30.000 threatened and feeling very unsafe there. 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:32.840 So yeah, it's a textbook asylum place, right. 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:36.680 Like, Yeah, we have a valid asylum claim. We've submitted 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:41.720 hundreds of documents of evidence to the court. You know. 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:44.200 The judge actually complimented us on how well we did 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:46.640 because at the time we didn't have an attorney. We 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:48.160 were just trying to do it on our own because 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:51.360 we couldn't afford an attorney. We were both college graduates. 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:55.560 So we put together a really organized, you know case. 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:59.720 And so I have filed to sponsor him as well, 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:02.880 you know, as my husband. We've been together twelve years, 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:06.400 married ten two kids, and they don't care about that. 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.240 It does not matter if he has an American family, 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:12.520 it does not matter. They are taking anybody, and that 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:15.880 also is very, very frustrating, and that's the reason that 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:18.400 we should have due process. They should be looking at 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:22.240 every single case individually and have a judge make a decision. 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:37.640 That's the whole point of it. Obviously, if we had hindsight, 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:42.200 if we had known that this could have happened, we 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:45.880 had no idea that this could have happened in our country, 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:48.720 we would have started this sponsorship process a long time ago. 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:51.000 The reason we didn't is because he was married before, 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:56.520 and he went through this process with USCIS to try 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:59.120 to get sponsorship with his first wife, and it was 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:02.080 extremely compli and frustrating and cost a lot of money, 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:03.680 and he went through a bunch of lawyers and he 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:06.880 was so traumatized by the experience that literally we had 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:09.320 big legal files in our house that I had to 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:11.600 hide because he couldn't even see them or he would 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:14.960 get triggered. So he didn't want to put me through that. 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:17.600 And we were living in Tunia anyway, and so we 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:19.480 just figured we were just kind of kicking the can 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:21.320 down the road, thinking, oh, we'll deal with it at 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:25.840 some point. Unfortunately, we waited way too long and you know, 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:28.960 didn't start dealing with it until he got here, and 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:32.760 so USCIS, which is where we you know, file for 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:33.640 this sponsorship. 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:37.320 Yeah, US Customs Immigration Service people know familiar. 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.400 Yes, thank you. After we filed that, they gave us 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:43.440 a time period on when we would get the decision. 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:45.760 It was fifteen months that we would have to wait. 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:47.920 And we've been checking the site, checking the site, checking 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:50.240 the site, has been counting down, counting down, and about 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:52.880 a month ago we were down to a week oh well, okay, 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:55.760 that we would be getting a decision. And after the 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:59.720 week passed, it changed the message on the app now 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.720 or the website now says and definitely you'll have to 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:06.880 wait indefinitely for this decision. So we've been trying to 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:09.840 ask our lawyer please push for this because if that 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:14.080 gets you an answer, that would be great. But the 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:16.720 answer could be no on that as well. They could 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:20.160 just say no, come on in and they can take 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:23.640 him straight from there as well. So the whole thing 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:28.640 is so incredibly stressful and frightening the fact that my government, 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:32.640 I'm in America, I'm an American citizen with two American kids, 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:37.240 and my government is threatening to tear our family apart 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:40.720 and take my husband away the father of my children 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:45.200 and traumatize my children again to have their dad not 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:49.040 with us, and Lord knows where they're going to send him. 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:53.040 It is absolutely infuriating, and it feels like agony too, 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:55.480 because like every day I wake up and I'm counting 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:57.720 down the days to this hearing and we have no 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:00.680 idea what's going to happen. Right, it feels very very 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:05.080 threatening to our safety and our livelihood, and that it's 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:09.480 coming from our government does not make me feel like 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:12.520 this is a great country to live in and I 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:14.160 do not feel safe living here. 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:17.920 Yeah, thanks for sharing all that. That's a lot, yeah 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:20.159 to have to put out there, so thank you for 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:24.320 sharing it. I guess we should just explain for people, 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:27.840 like there's a lot of stuff that maybe people who 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:30.960 haven't been through this system might not not grasp within 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:34.280 that right. So what the government has if I just 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:37.120 break down, like the dismissal of cases as I understand 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:39.359 that what the government has been doing has been dismissing 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.720 people's asylum case right which they got under Title eight 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:45.719 when they entered and added by the administration, and then 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:49.119 placing them in expedited removal proceedings, Yes, which is a 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:52.720 mandatory detention as you said, right, it's not a bailout situation. 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:56.600 And then as you say, forcing them to fight from detention, right, 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:59.680 which in this case would obviously stop your husband from working, 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.959 stop your husband from paying taxes, and instead make him 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:06.480 a burden on the American taxpayer while he's detained in 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:10.879 conditions which can often be very poor. In that situation. 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:14.440 You're only sort of claim is a credible fear of torture, right, 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:16.920 which is something that in your case it sounds like 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:19.920 would be very real. But nonetheless, that is a very 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:22.240 high bar, and we've seen the United States do all 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:24.600 kinds of things to get around that. We were put 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:27.480 on that all the time, so I can understand that 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:30.480 fear and where it comes from. I think people will 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:34.360 be shocked, but they perhaps shouldn't be to hear that, Like, yes, 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:35.959 you can be a US citizen married to a non 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:39.200 US citizen. This can still happen to you. It can 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:41.960 happen to anyone who is not a citizen in this 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:46.920 country right now. I wonder like it must have been 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:52.840 pretty heartbreaking to see the election, to see the rhetoric, 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:57.040 like how does that line up with your lives in 0:18:57.080 --> 0:18:59.720 your community? Because I see this often even from really 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:03.439 conservative people, right, Like I know people who voted for 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:06.679 Trump who have also shown up to like cook for 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:12.440 asylum seekers in the desert or to help refugees living 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:15.639 in our community. Like it's a very strange thing. Have 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:21.479 you felt alienated from your community since the beginning of 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:24.680 this year, Like I'm interested in, like how your lives 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:26.840 have changed because of that change in rhetoric. 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:30.679 Yes, Like I said, we have neighbors on our streets. 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:32.720 So there was a block party for Fourth of July, 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:36.080 which I didn't even feel like celebrating, but we had 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:38.199 just moved into this house, so we felt, you know, 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:40.040 like we should go at least meet the neighbors. And 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:42.440 there's a lot of Trump flags on our street, and 0:19:42.600 --> 0:19:46.560 it was very awkward. But my husband is very charming 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:49.119 and charismatic and outgoing, and he just goes right up 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:52.600 and introduces himself. And there was one gentleman wearing a 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:55.600 T shirt that said they hate us because they ate us, 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:58.040 and it's got a big old, you know, Trump face 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:00.840 on it, and it was just so so awkward. So yeah, 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:04.960 we feel uncomfortable. Also, like I said, it's a lean's 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:09.320 conservative in this community. And our school. Even like, as 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:12.159 we're doing this fundraiser, we were very careful not to 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:15.600 share it with anyone that we live near, just in case, 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:18.560 you know, because we have been hearing reports of people 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:22.159 like neighbors calling ice on their neighbors to you know, 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:25.359 report them and you know, go pick up this person. 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:27.639 You know, he looks brown or I don't know what 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:31.400 they're what they're doing or their logic, but you know, yeah, 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:35.520 it feels very threatening. And even oh, my daughter even said, 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:40.239 can't Data just cover up his skin? You know, like 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:42.560 she was just thinking like, yeah, was he gonna wear 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:44.040 her cup? Yeah? 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:44.360 Right? 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:48.000 I mean, you can't really hide who you are, and 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:49.400 you shouldn't have to. 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:52.679 Right, And it's very hard for the kids to be 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:55.160 saying that, yeah, the dad should be hiding. 0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:56.359 Yeah. 0:20:56.400 --> 0:20:58.800 And they've asked me, how can we make Trump just 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:01.359 forget about Data, you know, and I said, well, he 0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:03.800 doesn't really know. They don't you know, he doesn't know 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:07.080 exactly your dad. He's they're doing this to a lot 0:21:07.080 --> 0:21:09.679 of people. You know. We just happen to be in 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:12.960 that group. But I will say we have some close 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:16.159 friends that we really adore, and they are Trumpers, you know, 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:18.040 we see it on their Facebook page, but then when 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:20.919 we're in their presence, they don't bring it up, and 0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:24.600 it's just kind of an elephant in the room. And honestly, 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:27.320 as our current data is getting closer, we plan on 0:21:27.440 --> 0:21:30.840 having them over to talk about it because it feels 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:35.320 very awkward, and I just think they're there's the kindest people. 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:38.000 They're extremely religious, which which we are not when we're 0:21:38.040 --> 0:21:40.440 on the spiritual side, But you know, I think they're 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:42.960 just they're just on a team. They've chosen a team, 0:21:43.119 --> 0:21:45.280 and I don't think they're necessarily paying a lot of 0:21:45.359 --> 0:21:48.800 attention to what's actually happening to people. So we're hoping 0:21:48.840 --> 0:21:52.000 that just a conversation will just let them know. We 0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:54.560 want to be honest with the people that are close 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:56.159 to us, and that mean a lot to us, you know, 0:21:56.240 --> 0:22:00.760 because we don't know what's about to happen. And even 0:22:00.840 --> 0:22:03.560 there's members of my family that I feel very awkward 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:08.120 talking to as well, where I'm kind of distanced myself 0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:13.040 because people who are still supporting this regime at this 0:22:13.200 --> 0:22:16.840 point to me, are too far gone to even kind 0:22:16.840 --> 0:22:20.840 of get them to come around. I guess, I mean, 0:22:20.880 --> 0:22:25.560 I just don't understand I can't understand support of Trump 0:22:25.600 --> 0:22:28.800 from the first place. So again, if people are still 0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:32.840 on that boat, I really don't relate to them, and 0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:36.600 it's very awkward. Especially, Yeah, people in my family who 0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:40.359 supposedly love me and my children, you know, are still 0:22:40.359 --> 0:22:46.639 supporting that regime, and despite seeing all the things, maybe 0:22:46.640 --> 0:22:48.880 they don't see it. I mean, I know they if 0:22:48.920 --> 0:22:51.960 they are exclusively watching Fox News, then they are only 0:22:52.040 --> 0:22:56.800 receiving that information, which is not telling the whole story, right, 0:22:56.840 --> 0:23:00.320 and it's definitely completely skewed to make them look the 0:23:00.359 --> 0:23:04.120 good guys, and anyone on that's liberal is a bad guy. 0:23:04.880 --> 0:23:08.680 And they're very much targeting, you know, Democrats now as 0:23:08.720 --> 0:23:11.680 the enemy, the enemy of the state. They have even said. 0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:15.760 So it's I mean, it's so now I'm starting to 0:23:15.800 --> 0:23:20.120 feel even nonsafe for myself because I'm I'm not super 0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:25.199 active on Facebook, but I am outspoken because I can't resist. 0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:28.000 I mean, it's there is freedom of speech in this country, 0:23:28.080 --> 0:23:30.400 or at least there was, and there should be. And 0:23:30.920 --> 0:23:33.439 it's hard to be quiet at this time. And we 0:23:33.520 --> 0:23:37.359 would be a lot more outspoken if we weren't feeling unsafe. 0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:39.400 Yeah, but you have that fear, yes. 0:23:39.280 --> 0:23:43.200 Yes, especially my husband, because he's always been an activist 0:23:43.240 --> 0:23:47.560 and a you know, fighter for free speech and equal rights, 0:23:47.600 --> 0:23:50.760 and so it's that's one of the things that's really 0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:54.439 crushing him and his soul and his spirit through all 0:23:54.480 --> 0:23:58.399 this is that he cannot even speak out. So, you know, 0:23:58.680 --> 0:24:01.439 for people like him. It's not even for himself, but 0:24:01.560 --> 0:24:03.800 just for people like him. I know he wants to help, 0:24:04.040 --> 0:24:06.400 you know, and it's really challenging. 0:24:07.040 --> 0:24:09.520 I know, it's so sad to see the whole point 0:24:09.600 --> 0:24:12.880 of the asylum system and like, at least the sort 0:24:12.920 --> 0:24:15.919 of stated purpose of American foreign policy, it's sort of 0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:18.240 spread democracy throughout the world and allow people that have 0:24:18.240 --> 0:24:20.920 stood up for democracy and been persecuted to come here 0:24:20.960 --> 0:24:24.560 and be safe. And evidently the United States doesn't even 0:24:24.600 --> 0:24:28.040 believe in saying that anymore, in so much as it 0:24:28.160 --> 0:24:30.680 said it didn't always do it in the past. Yeah, 0:24:30.920 --> 0:24:33.200 it is really sad to think that, like even that 0:24:33.240 --> 0:24:35.879 it's gone. Yeah, for so many people, I think the 0:24:35.960 --> 0:24:38.439 idea of migrants is like an abstract one, right for 0:24:38.520 --> 0:24:41.679 your Fox News viewer, Migrants are just like an abstract 0:24:42.040 --> 0:24:45.680 brownskin bad person. And I often think that if those 0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:49.080 people had known migrants in their community, they would either 0:24:49.280 --> 0:24:51.040 not vote that way, or they would at least not 0:24:51.520 --> 0:24:54.640 like that policy. There are other things they liked about Trump, 0:24:54.680 --> 0:24:57.760 which it goes that's not something I can find much 0:24:57.840 --> 0:25:02.159 understanding of. But yeah, people do exist. But it's just 0:25:02.280 --> 0:25:05.800 so sad to see like people turned against anyone who 0:25:05.880 --> 0:25:09.439 wasn't born in this country. Yeah, it's simply because they were, 0:25:09.560 --> 0:25:11.920 not because of any any other character trait. 0:25:11.720 --> 0:25:14.639 They have, particularly the brown skin though, because you have 0:25:14.680 --> 0:25:17.320 to admit the Canadians. I mean, even though there's been 0:25:17.359 --> 0:25:20.240 a little dungeon with the Canadians at first in this regime, 0:25:21.000 --> 0:25:23.560 you know, they're they're pretty much under the radar and 0:25:23.600 --> 0:25:26.920 anyone from Europe or anyone. He's even said, like send 0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:29.400 a Nordic people, that's fine, you know, I mean, he's 0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:33.840 he's very clear, right, Yeah, the South African refugees are welcome. 0:25:33.960 --> 0:25:38.040 Come on. It's just so blatant, you know. And and 0:25:38.080 --> 0:25:41.840 I remember when I was growing up, my mom in particular, 0:25:41.880 --> 0:25:44.199 would would complain when when we started to have to 0:25:44.240 --> 0:25:48.080 press one for English. I remember my mom complaining about 0:25:48.080 --> 0:25:51.640 that or thinking, you know, you know, if you're here, 0:25:51.720 --> 0:25:53.800 you should learn the language. Well, I got to say, 0:25:53.840 --> 0:25:56.080 I lived in Tunisia for eight years and I did 0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:58.680 not learn the language. I tried to teach myself. It's 0:25:58.720 --> 0:26:01.120 a dialect that you know, the time. They didn't have 0:26:01.840 --> 0:26:04.840 lessons that you could get on YouTube or duo lingo 0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:08.120 or anything. You know, if I learned French and Arabic, 0:26:08.240 --> 0:26:11.640 maybe I could piece something together. But I you know, 0:26:11.720 --> 0:26:14.880 it's not as easy as people say. 0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:16.719 And yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:19.400 And then just to speak of my mother, I guess 0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:24.960 I'll say she prides herself on making friends with people 0:26:25.040 --> 0:26:28.240 at the grocery store who are of another ethnicity, or 0:26:28.760 --> 0:26:31.679 like really you know, getting to know a doctor. Or 0:26:31.800 --> 0:26:34.920 she has a housekeeper who's been working for her for 0:26:34.960 --> 0:26:38.360 like thirty years, and so I know she doesn't think 0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:42.200 of that person as being someone that shouldn't be here, right, 0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:44.000 So you know, so I think even if you do 0:26:44.280 --> 0:26:47.720 know a family or two who's who's an immigrant, you 0:26:47.840 --> 0:26:50.320 might think, oh, well, not them. I don't mean them, 0:26:50.440 --> 0:26:52.919 I mean allo other ones. I mean all the bad guys. 0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:54.639 Yeah, the bad ones. 0:26:54.800 --> 0:26:58.400 Yeah. And if Trump was serious about getting the bad 0:26:58.440 --> 0:27:01.480 ones go to the gang nameihoborhoods, like we do know 0:27:01.520 --> 0:27:05.080 where the dangerous gang neighborhoods are. But they're not sending 0:27:05.160 --> 0:27:10.120 the tanks there, They're sending them to MacArthur Park, you know, yeah, 0:27:10.280 --> 0:27:13.440 home depot. It's like, if you want to get the gangs, 0:27:13.480 --> 0:27:16.119 get the gangs. But I think they're too scared of 0:27:16.160 --> 0:27:18.880 that because these are really just regular people that they're 0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:22.840 hiring to do this work for them to pick up people. 0:27:22.960 --> 0:27:24.919 And that's why they're hiding their faces, because they are 0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:28.159 regular people who would like to probably have a normal 0:27:28.200 --> 0:27:31.480 life outside of this new job that they've been so 0:27:31.600 --> 0:27:32.520 well paid. 0:27:32.240 --> 0:27:36.200 For, right Yeah, and certainly they're they're recruiting a lot 0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:38.560 more people to do that right now, which is going 0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:40.440 to only see a step up in enforcement. 0:27:40.600 --> 0:27:51.840 Yeah. 0:27:51.920 --> 0:27:54.879 I wonder like in so much of anything has helped 0:27:55.359 --> 0:27:57.239 because people will want to help, right Like, I think 0:27:57.280 --> 0:27:59.560 people will listen, they will understand a situation, they will 0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:03.040 see the possibility of your family being torn apart and 0:28:03.200 --> 0:28:05.560 want to help. But it's hard to help right now. 0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:08.440 Runless you're an immigration lawyer, and every pro bono immigration 0:28:08.520 --> 0:28:12.720 lawyer I know is mental health damaging levels. Have overworked 0:28:12.800 --> 0:28:17.080 and stressed and traumatized. I think, so what can people 0:28:17.320 --> 0:28:21.640 do either for you or in their communities to show 0:28:21.720 --> 0:28:23.560 up for people who are in your situation. 0:28:24.280 --> 0:28:26.720 I would say donate. You can donate to the ACL, 0:28:26.840 --> 0:28:30.760 you donate to individual families like ours. I'm sure. I 0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:33.240 think there's a lot of gofundmes out there that people 0:28:33.280 --> 0:28:35.159 are trying to raise money for. That's the way, you know, 0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:37.600 everything is kind of done these days when people are 0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:41.440 desperate and speak out, and I think the most important 0:28:41.480 --> 0:28:45.280 thing is have conversations and get to know people and 0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:48.840 even like, yeah, sometimes I see, you know, a Hispanic 0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:50.960 person in a grocery store. I just wanted to tell them, 0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:54.240 thank you for being here. I'm glad you're here, because 0:28:54.320 --> 0:28:57.960 I think they must be feeling so scared right now 0:28:58.000 --> 0:29:01.240 and so unwanted and so unappreciated when they are doing 0:29:01.560 --> 0:29:04.560 some of the hardest jobs that nobody else wants to 0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:09.000 do for very little money. Yeah, these are essential workers 0:29:09.440 --> 0:29:12.360 that he should be paid the most. Everything is backwards, 0:29:12.920 --> 0:29:15.680 you know, the people who are doing the hardest, you know, 0:29:15.720 --> 0:29:19.040 cleaning the toilets and picking the fields, they should be 0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:21.760 paid the most. It doesn't make any sense. Regardless of 0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:24.880 where they're from, they're willing to do the work, and 0:29:25.600 --> 0:29:28.280 Lord knows their background of where they came from and 0:29:28.320 --> 0:29:31.000 how the struggles that they've been through to leave their 0:29:31.000 --> 0:29:34.040 home country. Nobody wants to leave their home country. You 0:29:34.160 --> 0:29:38.080 do that because it's so bad that you must, you know, 0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:40.720 especially if you have children. You're trying to make a 0:29:40.760 --> 0:29:43.280 better life for yourself. And we've been sold on this 0:29:43.400 --> 0:29:46.960 American dream prospect. You know that we've heard our whole 0:29:46.960 --> 0:29:50.080 lives and the whole world is hurt about So they 0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:53.520 come and now we're just punishing them brutally. It's not 0:29:53.600 --> 0:29:56.320 even like, oh, no, sorry, we're full. You know, we're 0:29:56.320 --> 0:29:58.040 gonna have to send you back. It's like, no, we're 0:29:58.040 --> 0:29:59.680 going to punish you. We're going to treat you like 0:29:59.760 --> 0:30:03.920 daw call you animals and vermin, and call you horrible things. Yeah, 0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:07.239 send you to places where you're unsafe and untaken care of, 0:30:07.840 --> 0:30:10.000 and maybe, if you're lucky, you'll get sent back to 0:30:10.040 --> 0:30:12.840 your home country, or you'll get sent to a random 0:30:13.480 --> 0:30:18.400 country or even a prison, like a horrible prison in 0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:21.720 another country where who knows what's good. It's just this 0:30:21.760 --> 0:30:24.760 is what frightens me. You know again, if he was 0:30:24.840 --> 0:30:27.880 sent to somewhere, to a place where I could you know, 0:30:27.960 --> 0:30:29.880 we could have visits or calls or you know, and 0:30:29.920 --> 0:30:32.960 he waits it out. I guess that would be more 0:30:33.040 --> 0:30:37.360 tolerable than the unknown of his his safety. He's not 0:30:37.400 --> 0:30:39.520 going to be well taken care of. That's a fact. 0:30:39.880 --> 0:30:44.720 They don't care about these people. And my husband, unfortunately, 0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:50.200 he's always been extremely strong, extremely brave, a fighter, and 0:30:50.280 --> 0:30:53.160 I feel like his fight is gone. He's physically and 0:30:53.240 --> 0:30:57.680 mentally at the end of his rope, and I'm extremely frightened. 0:30:57.680 --> 0:30:59.959 I mean, he just feels like he's tired of fighting. 0:31:00.240 --> 0:31:04.360 He's just exhausted from this, you know. Again, I mean 0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:06.760 we've been together twelve years, and again he was going 0:31:06.800 --> 0:31:09.360 through this process with his first wife, who he was 0:31:09.400 --> 0:31:11.640 with for eight years, and he never got an answer. 0:31:11.720 --> 0:31:14.600 He was never denied, but he just never got an answer, 0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:16.960 and that was enough for them for our case, just 0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:20.200 to you know, it's going to be really, really difficult 0:31:20.720 --> 0:31:23.960 to get a yes for a green card. 0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:27.920 Yeah, yeah, I mean it still happens. I've heard of 0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:31.840 it happening even in the last few months, but it 0:31:31.920 --> 0:31:35.880 is increasingly harder and less common, and that is brutal. Yeah, 0:31:35.920 --> 0:31:39.160 Like it's horrible and the way, of course, as you're saying, 0:31:39.320 --> 0:31:42.000 system is designed to make you feel hopeless and just 0:31:42.160 --> 0:31:44.880 to as they call it self, deport. 0:31:44.840 --> 0:31:47.720 Yes, and even our lawyer doesn't know what to do. 0:31:47.800 --> 0:31:50.719 And I feel the judge seems like a nice person, 0:31:51.000 --> 0:31:55.320 and I would imagine it must be very frustrating too 0:31:55.400 --> 0:31:57.400 to be a judge at this time where they have 0:31:57.520 --> 0:31:59.800 to be the ones that are just kind of their 0:32:00.000 --> 0:32:02.400 hands are tied. They will lose their job if they 0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:05.440 don't do what the regime wants them to do. So, 0:32:05.880 --> 0:32:08.040 you know, this is what happens in third world countries. 0:32:08.080 --> 0:32:12.120 This is why America has been great because we weren't 0:32:12.160 --> 0:32:15.760 like this before. With this, you know, cutting out free 0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:20.320 speech and things like that. It's it's changing rapidly and 0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:25.160 if people don't stand up more, and I'm sorry, but 0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:28.600 it's going to have to take more than these peaceful protests. Unfortunately, 0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:31.880 because they're not doing anything. We are being laughed at 0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:35.880 by the Maga Republicans. They do not care about our 0:32:35.920 --> 0:32:38.400 peaceful protests. They're just like, Okay, there's a protest on 0:32:38.440 --> 0:32:40.640 this day. Next day, They're just going to keep doing 0:32:40.680 --> 0:32:41.800 it harder, you know. 0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:43.560 Sure, Yeah, it's not. 0:32:43.480 --> 0:32:47.080 Changing anything, so something has to change. I'm hoping more 0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:50.200 celebrities come out and start speaking up. I think that 0:32:50.240 --> 0:32:53.880 would help, because people tend to back the celebrities that 0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:57.479 they love, and I'm kind of alarmed that more people 0:32:57.840 --> 0:33:01.160 like especially the most powerful celebrities like Oprah, for example, 0:33:01.600 --> 0:33:05.000 Why aren't they out there every day, you know, saying 0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:06.800 this is what I support and this is what I 0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:09.120 don't support. I think they're scared. 0:33:09.440 --> 0:33:13.760 I'm assuming I would imagine, So what a sad thought. 0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:17.400 I do think that the mega Republicans are outnumbered, and 0:33:17.480 --> 0:33:20.960 I think that they're continuously going to be outnumbered as 0:33:21.040 --> 0:33:25.600 things get more and more you know, shocking, as we're 0:33:25.640 --> 0:33:28.880 seeing our freedoms being stripped, the constitutional freedoms that we've 0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:31.960 always known being stripped. I think it's going to get worse, 0:33:32.520 --> 0:33:34.440 and I don't know how about it has to get 0:33:34.440 --> 0:33:35.560 before change happens. 0:33:36.080 --> 0:33:38.080 Yeah, I don't think any of us do. I do 0:33:38.160 --> 0:33:40.719 think you're right. The more and more people are not 0:33:41.160 --> 0:33:45.080 happy with HAVS is happening, but there doesn't even seem 0:33:45.120 --> 0:33:47.520 to be a well among Democrats to oppose this in 0:33:47.560 --> 0:33:49.640 a meaningful way. Yeah, she's very. 0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:52.160 Sad and like, yeah, even the Democrats in power don't 0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:53.760 know what to do, I mean. 0:33:54.240 --> 0:33:57.960 Yeah, and they seem to think that it's electoral suicide, 0:33:58.120 --> 0:34:00.520 just to be basically decent and say we need to 0:34:00.560 --> 0:34:03.200 be decent people and kind to people who come here 0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:05.040 asking us to help them. There seems to be something 0:34:05.040 --> 0:34:09.839 that is just inadmissible in lictoral politics, which is really sad. 0:34:09.960 --> 0:34:12.680 Right now, Yeah, so you guys have your court date. 0:34:12.920 --> 0:34:15.600 We will obviously continue covering this. 0:34:15.800 --> 0:34:16.680 Thank you so much. 0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:19.799 We get We're going to continue updating people. We will 0:34:19.800 --> 0:34:24.319 continue talking about this and then covering this, and yeah, 0:34:24.320 --> 0:34:26.520 we'll try and get an update out. This is coming out. 0:34:26.600 --> 0:34:29.400 You'll be hearing this on Monday, and we will try 0:34:29.440 --> 0:34:30.880 and get an update out within a week or so, 0:34:32.000 --> 0:34:34.880 just to let everyone know how things have gone and 0:34:34.920 --> 0:34:36.520 what they can do to help. Is there anything else 0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:38.560 you'd like to say to people before we go? 0:34:39.200 --> 0:34:42.439 Yeah, so, as we found out, you know that there's 0:34:42.480 --> 0:34:44.960 a good possibility that he will be taken into iced 0:34:45.000 --> 0:34:48.200 attention on Wednesday. We ask our lawyer, Okay, so what 0:34:48.280 --> 0:34:50.839 are the next steps if that happens? What you know, 0:34:50.920 --> 0:34:53.680 he has a constitutional right to do process of law 0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:57.520 habeas corpus, and she doesn't know what to do. She's 0:34:57.560 --> 0:35:00.520 never done it before. So therefore we need to find 0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:03.560 a different lawyer that can help us with that. It's 0:35:03.600 --> 0:35:07.400 not in immigration court, it's federal court. So we have inquiries. 0:35:07.480 --> 0:35:09.840 We actually have a consult today with someone who maybe 0:35:09.840 --> 0:35:12.160 help us with that. We sent emails out last night 0:35:12.920 --> 0:35:15.960 kind of telling our story to another lawyer, hoping that 0:35:16.040 --> 0:35:18.600 we can get some support and on that front, because 0:35:18.960 --> 0:35:22.840 basically that's your next your next step. Once you're in detention, 0:35:23.440 --> 0:35:27.479 you raise your constitutional rights of due process of law, 0:35:28.160 --> 0:35:31.160 you know, but then again it's another fight and again 0:35:31.320 --> 0:35:34.600 it could be from detention, which is yeah, more money. 0:35:34.680 --> 0:35:37.520 I'm going to be at that point, a single mother, 0:35:37.880 --> 0:35:42.120 you know, trying to support bills here in California, which 0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:46.080 is already you know difficult, and you know, on my own, 0:35:46.840 --> 0:35:51.360 and also paying lawyers and trying to fight to either 0:35:51.480 --> 0:35:55.080 find my husband or get him out of there. You know, 0:35:55.600 --> 0:35:58.759 we we don't want to leave the country if we 0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:01.000 if we don't have to. We love it here. I 0:36:01.040 --> 0:36:03.360 don't know where else to go. We can't go to Tunisia. 0:36:03.640 --> 0:36:07.239 I'm American. Where are we supposed to go? Yeah, And 0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:10.239 that's what people don't understand too with immigrants, you know, 0:36:10.560 --> 0:36:12.719 if they can't return to their home country because of 0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:16.680 safety reasons, which is most of the cases. That's why 0:36:16.719 --> 0:36:19.840 we have the silent cases. Then what are they supposed 0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:21.279 to do? You know? 0:36:21.960 --> 0:36:23.920 Yeah, and I don't think a lot of people seem 0:36:23.960 --> 0:36:25.840 to care, right, they think people just want people to 0:36:25.880 --> 0:36:28.239 go away somewhat, go figure it out. 0:36:28.360 --> 0:36:29.520 Yeah, it's not our problem. 0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:32.719 Yeah, yeah, which in this case it very much is 0:36:32.880 --> 0:36:36.640 and in every case, and like it is our problem 0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:38.759 that like we should take responsibility for one another as 0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:41.879 well being right, yes, as humans care about each other. 0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:45.520 Yeah, just have empathy at least that's the least we 0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:45.880 could do. 0:36:46.520 --> 0:36:49.760 Yeah, I know a society that says it's not my problem, 0:36:49.800 --> 0:36:51.200 it's not one that any of us should want to 0:36:51.239 --> 0:36:51.480 live in. 0:36:51.600 --> 0:36:52.000 Yeah. 0:36:52.080 --> 0:36:56.640 Yeah. And in our case, my husband's particularly worried because 0:36:56.680 --> 0:36:59.200 if he does get sent back to Tunisia, most definitely 0:36:59.200 --> 0:37:01.239 he would be in jail there as well, which is 0:37:01.239 --> 0:37:03.640 also not a pleasant experience yet to put it mouth 0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:07.120 and it would be yeah, where they torture people in jail. 0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:10.520 So yeah, again, we don't really know what to do 0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:13.400 or where to go. But these are the thoughts that 0:37:13.440 --> 0:37:14.040 we're having. 0:37:14.719 --> 0:37:16.520 Yeah, and then not unreasonable. 0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:19.759 Yeah, if we do self deport when do we, like 0:37:19.760 --> 0:37:22.719 we're trying to push it as long as we can stay, stay, stay, stay, stay, 0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:25.600 stay stay, you know, and then when do we let 0:37:25.600 --> 0:37:27.680 them know? Okay, okay, I guess we'll self deport, like 0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:30.200 at the last second before they take them into detention, like, 0:37:31.080 --> 0:37:35.000 you know, I don't know the safe way to do that, right, 0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:36.799 And then if we do, can they give us time 0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:39.360 to get our affairs in order, Like leaving the country 0:37:39.480 --> 0:37:42.400 is no small task, and we don't even have money 0:37:42.400 --> 0:37:45.200 to do that. So you know, these are our options. 0:37:45.239 --> 0:37:49.399 These are literally our options. And again, small children second grade, 0:37:49.520 --> 0:37:53.080 fourth grade, you know, and they're thriving here, like they 0:37:53.160 --> 0:37:56.799 don't deserve this. And my husband even said, you know, 0:37:57.360 --> 0:37:59.680 he said this the other day, like our children don't 0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:04.040 deserve this, and I said, no, children deserve the horrors 0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:07.000 of this planet, you know that. I mean, we're actually 0:38:07.040 --> 0:38:09.160 a lot luckier than a lot of other children. So 0:38:10.440 --> 0:38:12.759 but at the same time, there are children, and this 0:38:12.840 --> 0:38:15.680 is the problem that we're dealing with, and unfortunately they 0:38:15.760 --> 0:38:17.960 have to deal with it too. You know, That's just 0:38:18.239 --> 0:38:21.400 what a family is. Yeah, our goal is to stay 0:38:21.400 --> 0:38:25.160 together no matter what. We want to keep my husband 0:38:25.560 --> 0:38:29.160 safe and we want to keep us together. That's our 0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:32.960 number one goal. So unfortunately, that may mean that we 0:38:33.040 --> 0:38:35.840 need to leave, and I will be very, very sad 0:38:35.920 --> 0:38:38.960 if that's the case, because I have always left this country. 0:38:39.200 --> 0:38:44.120 It's always stood for greatness, and ironically, the group that 0:38:44.239 --> 0:38:47.719 thinks they're going to make America great again is failing miserably. 0:38:48.120 --> 0:38:51.799 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's incredibly sad. And like you said, 0:38:51.800 --> 0:38:54.360 you've already up and left. Your children want, yes to 0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:56.440 come to a safe place, to be safe, and then 0:38:56.480 --> 0:38:58.360 to have to do it again from that safe place. 0:38:58.440 --> 0:39:00.640 I'm sure we'll be and the old they get more 0:39:00.680 --> 0:39:01.880 than they realized what's happening. 0:39:01.960 --> 0:39:05.360 Yeah, it's only two years later, you know, the poor kids. 0:39:06.040 --> 0:39:09.440 Yeah, exactly. Who. I'm so sorry you're going through this. 0:39:09.560 --> 0:39:10.279 Ye, thank you. 0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:13.359 This sucks. We will be thinking of you. 0:39:13.360 --> 0:39:14.239 Thank you very much. 0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:17.279 And yeah, if you're if you're listening, I will try 0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:19.480 and keep you updated over the next few weeks. 0:39:19.760 --> 0:39:20.880 Thank you so much, James. 0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:23.279 All right, thank you, thank you for your time. I 0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:24.000 appreciate it. 0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:24.960 Yeah, thank you. 0:39:43.080 --> 0:39:47.000 Oh, welcome back. It could happen here a podcast where 0:39:47.640 --> 0:39:50.319 I just got vaccinated and boy, howdie the ship this 0:39:50.440 --> 0:39:52.000 year hits like a fucking train. 0:39:52.000 --> 0:39:55.360 It does. I I go vaccinated it's it's it's a 0:39:55.440 --> 0:39:56.160 rough one this year. 0:39:56.239 --> 0:39:59.480 Oh man. Yeah, fucking RFK Junior was right. 0:40:03.040 --> 0:40:04.560 The vaccine injury today. 0:40:04.640 --> 0:40:08.400 Yeah, that's right. I've received by vaccine injury. I'm complaining 0:40:08.440 --> 0:40:12.080 to the board. Oh man, I'm gonna nap after this. 0:40:12.239 --> 0:40:16.760 But first, how about we talk about fucking Trendy Aragua, 0:40:16.960 --> 0:40:21.400 the fucking narco criminal group that President Trump is currently 0:40:21.640 --> 0:40:24.440 justifying blowing up boats in the middle of international waters 0:40:24.480 --> 0:40:25.439 as a result. 0:40:25.120 --> 0:40:28.719 Of Yeah, it's great. It's a good thing that we 0:40:28.840 --> 0:40:34.640 are now killing civilians in countries where we are not 0:40:34.719 --> 0:40:36.279 at war with It's great. 0:40:36.840 --> 0:40:39.040 Yeah. This has been something Steven Miller had been talking 0:40:39.040 --> 0:40:41.359 about since the first Trump administration, you know, and had 0:40:41.400 --> 0:40:43.920 talked with like back when the military was willing to 0:40:43.920 --> 0:40:46.040 push back against Trump more. People would be like you, 0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:48.080 what the fuck are you talking about. We can't launch 0:40:48.080 --> 0:40:51.239 strikes at just like random boats, and Steve Miller be like, 0:40:51.280 --> 0:40:54.760 why not? And now they're doing it. Yeah, And this group, 0:40:54.920 --> 0:40:59.400 this criminal cartel out of Venezuela has been the current justification. 0:41:00.200 --> 0:41:02.760 As we'll talk about most of what is said about 0:41:03.000 --> 0:41:07.359 this Trendy Aragua by the administration about you know, their 0:41:07.440 --> 0:41:09.919 role in smuggling drugs in the United States is either 0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:14.040 just completely invented or massively exaggerated. It is a really 0:41:14.080 --> 0:41:18.120 interesting group. They have a fascinating like history. The literal 0:41:18.120 --> 0:41:22.520 meaning is train of arugua. Yeah, sorry, And it started 0:41:22.520 --> 0:41:24.799 out with like labor unions that were working on a 0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:27.840 railway project. It was going to be connecting central and 0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:32.880 western Venezuela together. And as has happened in history, what 0:41:33.040 --> 0:41:36.160 started as like labor union organizing wound up kind of 0:41:36.160 --> 0:41:40.720 morphing into a direct criminal activity. The guy who's generally 0:41:40.800 --> 0:41:43.759 credited as the founder, although that's kind of flattening things 0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:47.680 a little bit, is Hector Guerrero Flores, known as Nino Guerrero, 0:41:48.040 --> 0:41:50.600 and he he got put in for seventeen years for 0:41:50.719 --> 0:41:55.319 murder and drug trafficking at this prison called Tokron. Am 0:41:55.360 --> 0:41:57.160 I am I saying that right, James, how. 0:41:56.840 --> 0:41:58.640 Do we see Tocron? Yeah, Sarenaxin. 0:41:58.719 --> 0:42:00.359 Yeah, there's a little accent over the second and oh 0:42:01.320 --> 0:42:06.240 as you go up and down, up, thank you James. 0:42:07.040 --> 0:42:07.320 Yeah. 0:42:07.360 --> 0:42:09.720 And so this one of the things that's fun about 0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:11.960 this is that this prison where they start loading these 0:42:12.000 --> 0:42:15.880 guys up, becomes so heavily organized and it eventually turns 0:42:15.880 --> 0:42:17.960 from being like a prison in the traditional sense to 0:42:18.000 --> 0:42:22.080 more being like a tiny independent city that the gang 0:42:22.160 --> 0:42:24.160 is based out of and acted as their fortress. They 0:42:24.200 --> 0:42:29.080 established like night clubs in it, and you know, luxury facilities, 0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:32.200 and like leaders of the gang more or less Cayman 0:42:32.280 --> 0:42:35.520 went as they pleased, went back to their families, and 0:42:36.040 --> 0:42:38.160 it was not really what you'd think of as a 0:42:38.160 --> 0:42:40.720 prison in the traditional sense for a lot of these guys. 0:42:40.719 --> 0:42:44.680 For a while, a payment system was created in order 0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:47.640 to like basically you would inmates would pay for protection 0:42:47.880 --> 0:42:50.240 or for access to the nicer aspects of the prison, 0:42:50.640 --> 0:42:53.520 called the cause, and if you didn't pay, you know, 0:42:53.640 --> 0:42:57.120 they had various ways of physically abusing you. There's a 0:42:57.160 --> 0:42:59.759 good article in Small Wars Journal that talks about the 0:42:59.800 --> 0:43:02.600 org Jens and the impact of this group, and it 0:43:03.000 --> 0:43:05.600 quotes someone from inside. The person is saying, the first 0:43:05.600 --> 0:43:07.480 time you don't pay, they shoot your wrist, the second time, 0:43:07.520 --> 0:43:10.200 your ankle, the third time, and you face the death penalty. 0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:14.400 So like you're talking like pretty traditional criminal gang stuff, right, Yeah, 0:43:14.560 --> 0:43:20.040 So the journey of this group from gang that's major 0:43:20.040 --> 0:43:23.120 in Venezuela to gang that's kind of operating in larger 0:43:23.120 --> 0:43:26.800 and larger chunks of South America. Followed a pretty natural 0:43:26.840 --> 0:43:30.520 path where they got involved in more kinds of smuggling 0:43:30.640 --> 0:43:34.200 and more kinds of trafficking. Over the years, started setting 0:43:34.280 --> 0:43:38.480 up operations in other parts of South America. But one 0:43:38.480 --> 0:43:40.479 of the things that the gang has sort of done 0:43:40.560 --> 0:43:43.440 is you've got this kind of process by which they 0:43:43.440 --> 0:43:47.840 have these local affiliates who are not directly associated with 0:43:47.920 --> 0:43:51.600 the gang in like the strict hierarchical sense, and that 0:43:51.960 --> 0:43:55.040 it's not literally the gang sending an official into another state. 0:43:55.080 --> 0:43:57.799 It's more like franchising is kind of the way things work, 0:43:58.480 --> 0:44:00.920 and you have different local groups, some of whom are 0:44:00.960 --> 0:44:04.600 not even connected in any way to the original organization, 0:44:05.200 --> 0:44:09.120 claiming a line of descent in order to basically draft 0:44:09.120 --> 0:44:10.359 off of that clout. 0:44:10.320 --> 0:44:10.520 You know. 0:44:10.760 --> 0:44:13.000 Yeah, yeah, which is kind of what you've seen increasingly, 0:44:13.480 --> 0:44:16.600 And this has led to a situation where there's enough 0:44:16.640 --> 0:44:19.880 claims of trend being involved in the United States and 0:44:19.920 --> 0:44:23.640 other countries that it looks a lot like a larger 0:44:23.719 --> 0:44:27.760 and more centralized criminal organization than it actually is in reality. 0:44:28.360 --> 0:44:31.680 Yeah, I think the state understands these things like mini states, right, 0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:33.440 like who like with a with a leader and a 0:44:33.440 --> 0:44:37.240 distinct authority structure and learn like a direct command chain. 0:44:37.840 --> 0:44:41.239 That is not how my understanding gainst it they operate, right, 0:44:41.239 --> 0:44:43.200 because they are not mini states there. They are a 0:44:43.200 --> 0:44:44.160 different entity to that. 0:44:44.719 --> 0:44:48.160 Yeah, and what is your Because you've actually spent time 0:44:48.239 --> 0:44:51.760 reporting and in Venezuela, when did you first become aware 0:44:52.080 --> 0:44:52.840 of trend? 0:44:53.360 --> 0:44:56.080 I mean I became aware of like the fact that 0:44:56.080 --> 0:44:58.000 they were armed gangs at criminals. I mean I was 0:44:58.040 --> 0:45:00.200 robbed at gunpoint when I was in Venezuela, right, so 0:45:00.480 --> 0:45:02.680 that may be aware that that there were people who 0:45:03.239 --> 0:45:06.359 who did crime with weapons, But I wasn't aware really 0:45:06.360 --> 0:45:11.240 of trend that I were until like maybe the twenty twenty. 0:45:11.280 --> 0:45:13.640 I mean, I don't report on organized crime, nor do 0:45:13.680 --> 0:45:15.880 I particularly follow it, right, But I take an interest 0:45:15.920 --> 0:45:19.000 in Venezuelan affairs and as much as I've spent time there, 0:45:19.040 --> 0:45:21.960 and I have an affinity with the people, and I 0:45:22.040 --> 0:45:24.479 understand that things are getting going from bad to worse 0:45:24.480 --> 0:45:27.360 for them under their government, So so I took an interest. 0:45:28.120 --> 0:45:30.279 I guess it was like, are you familiar with a 0:45:30.360 --> 0:45:31.600 Narco Sobrinos affair? 0:45:32.520 --> 0:45:32.600 No? 0:45:32.960 --> 0:45:36.600 Okay, Narco Sobrinos is like Narco nephews. I think they're 0:45:36.600 --> 0:45:40.600 actually step nephews of Maduro if I recall correctly, it 0:45:40.640 --> 0:45:43.640 doesn't hugely matter. They're like part of his family in 0:45:43.680 --> 0:45:45.960 a mediate and I believe they lived in his compound 0:45:46.040 --> 0:45:49.360 and they used, like I don't want to make statements 0:45:49.400 --> 0:45:51.680 that are incorrect, that I believe they use a presidential 0:45:51.800 --> 0:45:56.720 hangar or runway to fly a plane to Haiti, which 0:45:57.000 --> 0:46:00.080 the USDA alleges, and it is most likely true that 0:46:00.200 --> 0:46:02.440 that that plane was stuff full of cocaine. 0:46:02.600 --> 0:46:04.359 Sure, many such cases. 0:46:04.080 --> 0:46:06.920 Yeah, many such cases. They believe they have diplomatic immunity, 0:46:06.960 --> 0:46:09.880 which they did not, which I believe came as a 0:46:09.920 --> 0:46:12.600 surprise to them at the moment of their detention. And 0:46:12.640 --> 0:46:14.359 so at that point I was like, shit, we can 0:46:14.360 --> 0:46:16.840 get onto this. How the Trump administration has like basically 0:46:16.880 --> 0:46:21.040 alled to Venezuela as a narco dictatorship. Certainly there is 0:46:21.680 --> 0:46:25.400 overlap between organized crime and the state. Right, It's because 0:46:25.480 --> 0:46:29.640 the state is so poor and so corrupt that inevitably 0:46:29.680 --> 0:46:32.160 you will see like overlap between organized crime and the state. 0:46:32.239 --> 0:46:35.360 So I guess right, Whenever the knack of Sobrinos affair was, 0:46:35.360 --> 0:46:37.080 I thought was like, okay, I need I need to 0:46:37.080 --> 0:46:39.440 sort of be aware of this. And of course, in 0:46:39.480 --> 0:46:45.120 my like coverage of immigration, you hear of people mostly 0:46:45.160 --> 0:46:47.799 their talk is just not that their life has been 0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:50.359 made hard by organized crime, if I managed so much 0:46:50.360 --> 0:46:53.480 as their life has been made hard by the government 0:46:53.680 --> 0:46:58.160 completely failing to provide services and the complete collapse of 0:46:58.160 --> 0:47:01.560 the Venezuelan economy. I'm not going to ask about it explicitly, 0:47:01.600 --> 0:47:03.719 but if someone mentions it, I sort of take note 0:47:03.719 --> 0:47:06.080 of it as one of the reasons why people are leaving. 0:47:06.160 --> 0:47:07.680 Would you bring up as a really good point, which 0:47:07.719 --> 0:47:10.160 is that twenty fourteen is kind of when the most 0:47:10.239 --> 0:47:14.960 recent Venezuelan economic crisis really kicked off, and in fourteen 0:47:15.000 --> 0:47:17.880 to twenty eighteen was a major period of growth for 0:47:17.960 --> 0:47:20.600 trend Ye, and then twenty eighteen to twenty twenty two 0:47:20.640 --> 0:47:24.760 is when they really started pushing up into and involving 0:47:24.800 --> 0:47:27.560 themselves increasingly in Colombia and the United States as a 0:47:27.560 --> 0:47:30.800 result of like the increased flow of Venezuelans out of 0:47:30.880 --> 0:47:34.200 Venezuela and into other countries and eventually up to the 0:47:34.320 --> 0:47:37.439 US and to some extent, and it's been since twenty 0:47:37.480 --> 0:47:39.800 twenty two that the gang has really been pruned back, 0:47:39.960 --> 0:47:42.360 you know, both as a result of the Venezuelan government 0:47:42.760 --> 0:47:46.120 taking control of the prison again and like basically invading 0:47:46.120 --> 0:47:49.680 it with the military in order to deny them access 0:47:49.719 --> 0:47:53.440 to what had been like their primary centralized, like hub 0:47:53.800 --> 0:47:55.880 of control, and also due to the fact that, like 0:47:56.640 --> 0:48:00.840 after expansion into Colombia and Chile, both criminal organizations and 0:48:00.880 --> 0:48:04.879 the governments of those countries increasingly pushed back against the organization, right, Yeah, 0:48:04.960 --> 0:48:07.200 one of the reasons why they're being targeted. But also 0:48:07.239 --> 0:48:09.520 one of the things that's like fundamentally bullshit about the 0:48:09.560 --> 0:48:13.879 administration's description of what's happening is that we're very much 0:48:13.960 --> 0:48:16.319 talking about a cartel that's on its back feet and 0:48:16.360 --> 0:48:18.239 been on its back feet for the last several years 0:48:18.320 --> 0:48:20.960 as the result of significant reversals in their business and 0:48:21.000 --> 0:48:22.280 in their political situation. 0:48:22.800 --> 0:48:26.759 Yeah. I mean, Columbia has been near the Columbian Civil 0:48:26.760 --> 0:48:29.560 War is one of the longest running conflicts in the world. 0:48:29.640 --> 0:48:33.080 But things have changed their substantially right in the last 0:48:33.560 --> 0:48:36.320 five or seven years. You know, you have people from 0:48:36.360 --> 0:48:40.880 the fuck disarming, You have the fracture of what was 0:48:40.880 --> 0:48:43.359 previously their territory, and some of who were previously their 0:48:43.400 --> 0:48:46.960 militants into other groups, right, And so that has allowed 0:48:47.000 --> 0:48:51.960 the state there to continue its conflict against what remains 0:48:52.000 --> 0:48:54.280 of that and also to clamp down other groups. 0:48:54.320 --> 0:48:54.520 Right. 0:48:54.560 --> 0:48:58.960 And evidently, like the flow of drugs, United States relies 0:48:59.000 --> 0:49:04.880 on the complicity or inability to stop it of many states. 0:49:05.040 --> 0:49:08.840 And yeah, we've seen like a concerted effort and also 0:49:08.960 --> 0:49:12.320 like the attempts of the United States to stop smuggling. 0:49:12.400 --> 0:49:12.560 Right. 0:49:12.640 --> 0:49:15.520 So, I guess if people aren't familiar, we should just 0:49:15.560 --> 0:49:20.080 explain the US DHS, of which the United States Coast 0:49:20.120 --> 0:49:22.359 Guard is part. I think a lot of people aren't 0:49:22.360 --> 0:49:24.920 aware the Coast Guard is part of DHS claims a 0:49:25.080 --> 0:49:29.080 universal jurisdiction or jurisdiction at least in areas where drugs 0:49:29.080 --> 0:49:31.799 are being smuggled to the United States, Right, So the 0:49:31.880 --> 0:49:34.319 US Coast Guard had a role to play in this. 0:49:34.480 --> 0:49:36.960 In the I guess interdiction is the word they would 0:49:37.080 --> 0:49:40.320 use of drugs coming to the United States. I probably 0:49:40.360 --> 0:49:42.920 haven't got data on this in the last year or so, 0:49:43.120 --> 0:49:45.399 but it certainly was the case that most drugs entering 0:49:45.400 --> 0:49:48.480 the US entered through ports of entry as opposed to 0:49:48.600 --> 0:49:50.719 like between ports of entry, right, like through the desert, 0:49:50.800 --> 0:49:54.160 through the mountains and so like these these boats I 0:49:54.160 --> 0:49:56.520 guess are not just to be clear that they're not 0:49:56.600 --> 0:49:58.920 necessarily going to the United States, and most skates are 0:49:58.960 --> 0:50:00.440 not going to United States and mostly to going to 0:50:00.480 --> 0:50:03.080 Mexico and then moving to the United States through other methods. 0:50:03.160 --> 0:50:06.600 But like as the government both south of the United 0:50:06.640 --> 0:50:09.440 States and in the United States who adapted, it's become 0:50:09.480 --> 0:50:12.719 harder and harder for those people, right, And so it's 0:50:12.760 --> 0:50:15.080 become harder and hard for these criminal organizations to make 0:50:15.440 --> 0:50:16.960 money off these drugs. 0:50:17.200 --> 0:50:19.960 And that's led to, I mean a situation that one 0:50:20.000 --> 0:50:22.399 of the things that they've been accused of being by 0:50:22.440 --> 0:50:25.799 the Trump administration and internationally is essentially an agent of 0:50:25.920 --> 0:50:29.200 the Maduro regime, right. And this is something that certainly 0:50:29.280 --> 0:50:32.160 the Venezuelan government denies. This is not a thing where 0:50:32.160 --> 0:50:34.400 I can you know, entirely give you this is exactly 0:50:34.400 --> 0:50:36.960 what's happened. But it seems accurate to say that as 0:50:36.960 --> 0:50:41.200 an organization, as their actual like control and power have 0:50:41.480 --> 0:50:45.640 been eroded, they have been utilized increasingly as a way too, 0:50:45.680 --> 0:50:48.480 for example, deal with like dissidents who are hostile to 0:50:48.520 --> 0:50:52.480 the Maduro regime right, as a deniable asset. In particular, 0:50:52.560 --> 0:50:56.840 there's been cases that are reasonably well documented of dissidents 0:50:56.880 --> 0:51:00.279 against the Venezuelan regime in Chile and trendy Aragua being 0:51:00.360 --> 0:51:02.960 used as like assassins to to take out dissonance in 0:51:03.000 --> 0:51:06.319 foreign countries in a deniable manner. Right, Yeah, And I 0:51:06.320 --> 0:51:08.239 mean it looks to me like this has kind of 0:51:08.239 --> 0:51:13.239 increased as their actual ability to directly control things and 0:51:13.280 --> 0:51:17.080 directly contest the regime as a power center has been eroded. 0:51:17.600 --> 0:51:20.400 Yeah, it's kind of a classic. Like I wouldn't say 0:51:20.440 --> 0:51:24.919 that like ideologically aligned, right, but sometimes their interests aligned, Yeah, 0:51:25.080 --> 0:51:29.800 to be clearly, Like trend Agua are one of the 0:51:29.840 --> 0:51:33.600 sort of armed organized crime institutions in Venezuela, but by 0:51:33.600 --> 0:51:37.960 far the only one, right you have, yeah, Trendliano for example. 0:51:38.160 --> 0:51:40.320 You have these other groups who have also been active 0:51:40.400 --> 0:51:45.080 in anti government protests, especially since the I'm going to 0:51:45.160 --> 0:51:48.960 use that quote unquote election here in July of last year, right, 0:51:49.040 --> 0:51:52.840 like where electoral fraud is widely alleged and I documented 0:51:52.840 --> 0:51:54.360 that in my Daddy and series if people want to 0:51:54.400 --> 0:51:57.359 listen to that. But it's not like these two are 0:51:57.400 --> 0:52:00.440 lot in lockstep. But yeah, like we can under stand 0:52:00.800 --> 0:52:03.760 that sometimes that they interest my aligne in those areas, 0:52:03.880 --> 0:52:06.759 it may be beneficial for the regime to, like you say, 0:52:06.800 --> 0:52:08.839 to use him as a deniable asset. 0:52:08.920 --> 0:52:11.680 Right, which does not. Like, one of the things that's 0:52:11.760 --> 0:52:16.040 kind of most frustrating is hearing them described as central 0:52:16.160 --> 0:52:20.040 to the smuggling of fentanyl into the United States. Which, like, 0:52:20.200 --> 0:52:23.319 even in kind of the most elaborate version of this 0:52:23.760 --> 0:52:28.520 group being utilized by the Venezuelan government is fanciful, right, Like, 0:52:28.880 --> 0:52:31.440 because Venezuela just doesn't have that much to do with 0:52:31.480 --> 0:52:34.200 the smuggling of fentinel into the United States. Yeah, Like, 0:52:34.400 --> 0:52:38.120 Venezuela and Venezuelan criminal organizations just aren't that involved in 0:52:38.160 --> 0:52:42.080 that process. That's not where it's coming from, right, Yeah, 0:52:42.120 --> 0:52:45.759 And we'll talk some more about finnyl, But first, you 0:52:45.800 --> 0:53:01.200 know what's kind of like fentanyl advertising. We're back and 0:53:01.880 --> 0:53:05.919 we're talking about fentanyl. Well, we're talking about like these 0:53:05.960 --> 0:53:08.759 claims because that's the justification for why we need to 0:53:08.760 --> 0:53:12.319 airstrike these boats, the most recent of which we know 0:53:12.560 --> 0:53:16.160 was boarded by another government and had drugs on board 0:53:16.160 --> 0:53:17.960 it removed before it was struck. 0:53:18.160 --> 0:53:18.560 Oh wow. 0:53:18.760 --> 0:53:22.360 Yeah, And we simply have no idea, no way to verify. 0:53:22.360 --> 0:53:24.560 I have no way to verify what the administration is 0:53:24.560 --> 0:53:27.120 claiming about these boats. We're just seeing boats get blown up. 0:53:27.280 --> 0:53:29.400 But yeah, and everybody who was on that boat is 0:53:29.400 --> 0:53:31.880 no dead, so there's not many many people to contradict 0:53:31.920 --> 0:53:34.520 that story. Should we explain like the usual coast guard 0:53:34.600 --> 0:53:35.120 process for. 0:53:35.160 --> 0:53:37.640 Interdiction, Yeah, I think that's probably a good idea. 0:53:37.719 --> 0:53:39.920 So generally, right, what the US Coast Guard is going 0:53:40.000 --> 0:53:42.960 to do is they will have these large vessels from 0:53:43.000 --> 0:53:47.279 which they will launch smaller vessels and helicopters to intercept 0:53:47.360 --> 0:53:49.759 craft right, like the most kind of I guess like 0:53:49.840 --> 0:53:54.759 famous charismatic other like Colombian like they call them Narco subs. 0:53:55.000 --> 0:53:57.560 There's a semi submarines actually that that they're not like 0:53:57.640 --> 0:54:01.080 fully submersed, but they that much of the vessel is submerged. 0:54:01.800 --> 0:54:05.359 What the coast Guard would normally do, to my understanding, 0:54:05.640 --> 0:54:08.520 is to send a vessel to intercept them, be it 0:54:08.600 --> 0:54:11.000 a helicopter or a boat or probably both. In most 0:54:11.000 --> 0:54:13.520 cases I would imagine tell them to stop. 0:54:13.840 --> 0:54:14.040 Right. 0:54:14.200 --> 0:54:16.640 If they don't stop, the coast Guard will have like 0:54:16.840 --> 0:54:20.920 a sniper who will shoot out the engine of the crafty. 0:54:21.160 --> 0:54:24.160 They will then board. They will entertain the people. They 0:54:24.200 --> 0:54:27.839 will obviously confiscate any drugs that they find, and then 0:54:27.880 --> 0:54:30.359 they will take those people back to their vessel where 0:54:30.360 --> 0:54:33.239 they're detained, and then they'll be tried in the US. Right, 0:54:33.680 --> 0:54:36.359 and then they would normally it's they can't kind of 0:54:36.400 --> 0:54:39.520 scoop up all these ships that they've intercepted or semi 0:54:39.520 --> 0:54:42.359 subs or whatever, so they will normally destroy those and 0:54:42.400 --> 0:54:44.360 scuttle them so they sink to the bottom of the ocean. 0:54:44.800 --> 0:54:46.600 I don't know how many cases they've done this in, 0:54:46.640 --> 0:54:50.440 but that would be the normal procedure for Coast Guard. 0:54:50.440 --> 0:54:52.320 It gets pre twenty twenty five. 0:54:52.400 --> 0:54:54.000 It's got to be fun being a fish near one 0:54:54.040 --> 0:55:00.080 of those vessels, yeah, fish getting yeah, yeah, yeah, I 0:55:00.160 --> 0:55:01.800 know what they do with all the ca And sometimes 0:55:01.800 --> 0:55:03.600 they bring all the cocaine back for a photo op. 0:55:03.600 --> 0:55:05.839 You see that sometimes yeah yeah, yeah, that looks good. 0:55:06.080 --> 0:55:09.600 Yeah yeah, it's nicely packaged. It's cocaine or fentanyl on 0:55:09.680 --> 0:55:12.680 the side or whatever. That is my understanding of what 0:55:12.920 --> 0:55:19.160 was done previously. The strikes in the last month have 0:55:19.280 --> 0:55:22.239 been extremely different, right, Yeah, And we're looking at I 0:55:22.239 --> 0:55:25.480 think fourteen people killed so far that we've had confirmed. 0:55:25.480 --> 0:55:28.920 Although those numbers are certainly higher than the when you're 0:55:28.960 --> 0:55:31.360 hearing them, right, because we've just had another strike in 0:55:31.360 --> 0:55:32.800 the last day or so that I don't think we 0:55:32.880 --> 0:55:35.760 have exact numbers on how many people were involved. Yeah, 0:55:36.000 --> 0:55:39.520 they used, from what I understand, drones from Special Operations 0:55:39.560 --> 0:55:43.920 Command to do these strikes, right, which in itself is 0:55:44.000 --> 0:55:48.880 quite unusual. And then the strikes themselves consisted of did 0:55:48.920 --> 0:55:50.600 they say what I guess it looks like a hell 0:55:50.680 --> 0:55:51.440 fire missile. 0:55:51.200 --> 0:55:52.279 But I don't know if they've said that looked like 0:55:52.320 --> 0:55:54.479 health fires to me on the videos I've seen, Yeah, 0:55:55.120 --> 0:55:58.359 it's not exactly like high def video, but you see 0:55:58.360 --> 0:56:00.319 them striking like it looks kind of like a like 0:56:00.400 --> 0:56:03.920 a it's a speedboat, right, like it's a surface vessel. 0:56:04.000 --> 0:56:06.960 It's not a not a semi sub or a submarine. 0:56:07.360 --> 0:56:09.960 It's unclear like what has happened before, at least I 0:56:10.000 --> 0:56:12.879 haven't seen any reporting or what happened before, like whether 0:56:12.920 --> 0:56:14.399 they got in order to stop. I think in one 0:56:14.400 --> 0:56:17.200 case they had turned around right having noticed a drone 0:56:17.280 --> 0:56:21.440 and begun returning towards the coast, towards Venezuela, I guess, 0:56:21.960 --> 0:56:24.640 and they were still struck and it appears that in 0:56:24.719 --> 0:56:29.880 at least one case, the drone struck them again, like 0:56:29.960 --> 0:56:33.440 it hit them once and then returned for a second 0:56:33.520 --> 0:56:36.279 run to hit I guess the survivors. 0:56:37.080 --> 0:56:40.359 Yeah. And you know, there's a couple of facts that 0:56:40.400 --> 0:56:44.000 go alongside what we actually know in versus what the 0:56:44.040 --> 0:56:49.000 administration's claiming about. Eighty percent of people involved in the 0:56:49.040 --> 0:56:52.200 smuggling of illegal drugs into the United States are US citizens, 0:56:52.880 --> 0:56:55.600 and then of the remaining twenty ish percent, a chunk 0:56:55.600 --> 0:56:58.600 of those are resident legal aliens. In the chunk are 0:56:58.640 --> 0:57:03.080 a mix of undocum limitted people, non citizens, or people 0:57:03.080 --> 0:57:06.359 whose status is unknown or extra dieded aliens. Right like, 0:57:06.400 --> 0:57:09.879 this is based on the United States Sentencing Commissions data 0:57:09.880 --> 0:57:13.359 from twenty twenty four, and about eighty five percent of 0:57:13.480 --> 0:57:15.680 drugs that are brought into the United States are smuggled 0:57:15.680 --> 0:57:17.600 in at ports of entry. And this makes complete sense 0:57:17.600 --> 0:57:20.120 if you think about it, in part because it's pretty 0:57:20.120 --> 0:57:22.360 easy to track when you've just got like a boat 0:57:22.400 --> 0:57:26.120 trying to smuggle stuff into the country illicitly, and the 0:57:26.160 --> 0:57:28.000 people who are on that boat. If the art citizens 0:57:28.000 --> 0:57:30.760 have no right to enter the country inherently, as opposed 0:57:30.760 --> 0:57:33.040 to citizens who do have a right to enter and 0:57:33.120 --> 0:57:35.800 ports of entry where there's a shitload of you want 0:57:35.800 --> 0:57:38.200 to hideen plane sight with this stuff? Right? Like it 0:57:38.800 --> 0:57:42.400 just makes sense, like would you rather if you were 0:57:42.640 --> 0:57:45.200 smuggling a huge amount of illegal shit? Would you rather 0:57:45.280 --> 0:57:47.880 be on your own with a van or a vehicle 0:57:47.960 --> 0:57:51.240 full of very illegal drugs, or would you rather be 0:57:51.360 --> 0:57:54.960 like hiding amongst the billions of tons of shit that 0:57:55.040 --> 0:57:58.439 gets taken into this country every single year, right, Which 0:57:58.480 --> 0:58:01.400 is why just the reaction of the data is so 0:58:01.520 --> 0:58:04.240 completely different than the administration makes it out to be. 0:58:04.280 --> 0:58:07.880 And obviously, foreign criminal organizations are heavily involved in the 0:58:07.880 --> 0:58:10.680 smuggling of illegal drugs, particularly fentanyl in the United States, 0:58:10.720 --> 0:58:13.120 but we're talking primarily about like the Sinaloa cartel and 0:58:13.160 --> 0:58:16.760 then different criminal organizations involved in the smuggling of fentyel 0:58:16.760 --> 0:58:18.320 out of China, right, which is where a lot of 0:58:18.320 --> 0:58:21.960 fentanyl comes from. As opposed to again Venezuela, the government 0:58:22.000 --> 0:58:24.200 here is going for low hanging fruit. I think as 0:58:24.240 --> 0:58:27.280 the conclusion I'm driven to just every time I read 0:58:27.320 --> 0:58:29.560 about this is that, like there doesn't seem to be 0:58:29.600 --> 0:58:33.440 a better reason for focusing on this organization which really 0:58:33.480 --> 0:58:35.640 is just not that involved in crime in the United 0:58:35.680 --> 0:58:38.760 States nearly to the extent that groups like the Sinaloa 0:58:38.840 --> 0:58:39.360 Cartel are. 0:58:39.720 --> 0:58:43.560 Yeah, I mean, it offers a chance to demonize Venezuelan people, right, 0:58:43.560 --> 0:58:46.920 and Venezuelan people made up a large number of the 0:58:46.920 --> 0:58:49.280 people who came to the United States just the asylum 0:58:49.400 --> 0:58:53.400 under Biden. Because like, if we do believe that these 0:58:53.440 --> 0:58:55.040 like the word in Spanish would be like a mega 0:58:55.040 --> 0:58:59.000 bandas like megagangs are a serious threat to the well 0:58:59.040 --> 0:59:01.640 being a people in the United States, imagine how much 0:59:01.680 --> 0:59:03.240 more of a threat they are to the well being 0:59:03.280 --> 0:59:04.400 a people in Venezuela. 0:59:04.680 --> 0:59:05.120 Right. 0:59:05.560 --> 0:59:10.280 And that combined with a government which objectively sucks, which 0:59:10.320 --> 0:59:15.240 also uses extra judicial violence, right, including in its battle 0:59:15.240 --> 0:59:19.040 against these gangs, leads people to want to leave and 0:59:19.120 --> 0:59:23.240 when they come here, the United States, especially the Trump regime, 0:59:23.280 --> 0:59:27.000 has been engaged in this demonization of migrants. Right, This 0:59:27.160 --> 0:59:31.160 offers a very convenient narrative for that to say that 0:59:31.200 --> 0:59:35.000 these people are bringing crime here. The vast majority of 0:59:35.040 --> 0:59:38.280 them are doing the exact opposite. They are coming here 0:59:38.880 --> 0:59:43.560 because the state in Venezuela has extorted them, and slash 0:59:43.760 --> 0:59:47.200 or non state actors in Venezuela have extorted them. The 0:59:47.280 --> 0:59:49.720 vast bulk of the complaints I hear from Migran fro 0:59:49.800 --> 0:59:53.680 Venezuela about the state. They have no interest other than 0:59:53.760 --> 0:59:57.160 working hard and receiving a decent living wage. For that, 0:59:57.800 --> 1:00:01.880 every Venezuelan person I spoke to almost no When I 1:00:01.920 --> 1:00:05.000 ask what their American dream is, tell you that their 1:00:05.040 --> 1:00:07.080 American dream is to have a job that pays them 1:00:07.200 --> 1:00:11.120 enough to feed their family. Right, Like, we have next 1:00:11.120 --> 1:00:15.120 to no evidence of organized crime coming into the United 1:00:15.160 --> 1:00:17.720 States through the asylentists, and there are sure there will be, 1:00:17.800 --> 1:00:20.480 Like I would imagine a fraction of a single percent 1:00:20.760 --> 1:00:23.760 of cases, sure in which that is the case. But 1:00:23.840 --> 1:00:27.000 it's being used against all these Venezuelan people, right as 1:00:27.040 --> 1:00:29.120 we've seen. And I guess I should just clarify that, 1:00:29.160 --> 1:00:34.960 like one thing about these megabandas that they're not like maras, right, 1:00:35.080 --> 1:00:38.080 Like so like MS thirteen being a mara, right, like 1:00:38.680 --> 1:00:44.360 a gang in which members are identified by certain tattoos. 1:00:44.520 --> 1:00:47.640 Oh my god, yes, this is tattoos and emojis. 1:00:47.880 --> 1:00:51.960 Yes, yeah, yeah again, Like I understand that that is 1:00:52.000 --> 1:00:54.560 a thing that happens in some cases, but that is 1:00:54.640 --> 1:00:57.000 not a thing that is common to these gangs. 1:00:57.000 --> 1:01:00.640 No, it's it's certainly not common to trendy Aragua, right is, 1:01:00.680 --> 1:01:04.040 like the use of tattoos. There's not even widespread agreement 1:01:04.080 --> 1:01:06.280 among experts as to whether or not there's any sort 1:01:06.320 --> 1:01:11.200 of centralized US based hierarchy for the group, right right, Yeah, Yeah. 1:01:11.800 --> 1:01:14.880 The tattooing is just as it is in the United States, 1:01:14.920 --> 1:01:16.120 and that sort of places it around the world. A 1:01:16.160 --> 1:01:18.600 very common practice in Venezuela. The people do for as 1:01:18.840 --> 1:01:22.280 many reasons as there are people right to include because 1:01:22.320 --> 1:01:24.680 they love their mum, because they love their kids, because 1:01:24.680 --> 1:01:27.120 they're like a football team, because they are religious, et cetera, 1:01:27.200 --> 1:01:31.120 et cetera. That is why people get tattoos. It is 1:01:31.320 --> 1:01:35.080 not to indicate membership in any organization. 1:01:35.320 --> 1:01:38.200 No, and this is something that's verified. Again, Like one 1:01:38.240 --> 1:01:41.880 of the leading experts on trend is Jana Risquez, who 1:01:41.920 --> 1:01:45.160 wrote a book The trendy Aragua, The Gang that revolutionized 1:01:45.240 --> 1:01:48.640 organized crime in Latin America. She specifically told in O 1:01:48.680 --> 1:01:52.440 Tisis Telemundo during an interview, Venezuelan gangs are not identified 1:01:52.440 --> 1:01:53.960 by tattoos. To be a member of one of these 1:01:54.000 --> 1:01:56.880 Venezuelan organizations, you don't need a tattoo. You can have 1:01:56.920 --> 1:01:58.920 no tattoos and still be part of it. You can 1:01:59.120 --> 1:02:01.600 also have a tattoo that matches other members of the organization. 1:02:02.120 --> 1:02:05.400 So like again, there's groups and different sort of because 1:02:05.440 --> 1:02:08.760 this is a very bottom up sort of organization, which 1:02:08.800 --> 1:02:10.920 is often the case with criminal groups, where like they 1:02:10.960 --> 1:02:13.160 will you know, there will be money being passed in 1:02:13.160 --> 1:02:15.480 one direction or another, but there's not tight control being 1:02:15.520 --> 1:02:18.480 exercised in a top down manner. You can find groups 1:02:18.480 --> 1:02:21.360 that have tattoos in common, but it's not a centralized 1:02:21.400 --> 1:02:22.760 thing that the organization does. 1:02:23.400 --> 1:02:26.040 Yeah, and like the Venezuelan state, to be clear, is 1:02:26.080 --> 1:02:29.720 extremely violent. They have like a special armed police which 1:02:29.760 --> 1:02:33.160 deals with gangs, an organized crime that kills hundreds of people. 1:02:34.080 --> 1:02:36.840 It would be unwise to be going about in the streets, 1:02:36.880 --> 1:02:39.160 whether like I am a member of a certain gang, right, 1:02:39.720 --> 1:02:41.960 tattoo right, And so unless you plan to live in 1:02:42.000 --> 1:02:44.680 some area where where you feel completely safe from the state, 1:02:45.120 --> 1:02:46.560 that would be a very unwise thing to do. 1:02:47.160 --> 1:02:49.920 Yeah, and we'll talk some more about things that are unwise, 1:02:50.040 --> 1:02:52.560 but first it would be wise for you to buy 1:02:52.600 --> 1:03:05.400 these products. We're back, and I want to quote from 1:03:05.440 --> 1:03:07.800 a recent piece in The Guardian on the US law 1:03:07.880 --> 1:03:12.840 enforcement claiming that emoji's signal membership in this organization. And 1:03:13.080 --> 1:03:15.840 this is by Sam Levin and man Vy Singh from 1:03:15.960 --> 1:03:18.880 September a couple of days ago. The first reference to 1:03:18.920 --> 1:03:21.360 emojis in the records comes from a July twenty twenty 1:03:21.360 --> 1:03:24.080 four situational Awareness alert from the n WYPD, which was 1:03:24.120 --> 1:03:27.120 distributed to law enforcement across the country and warned of 1:03:27.160 --> 1:03:30.520 trendy araguav threats in New York City. N YPD Intelligence 1:03:30.560 --> 1:03:33.840 Encounter Terrorism Bureau has observed members of TDA in New 1:03:33.920 --> 1:03:36.760 York City using social media messaging platforms such as Instagram 1:03:36.760 --> 1:03:38.480 and TikTok to depict the allegiance to the gang. The 1:03:38.520 --> 1:03:42.120 alert said TDA members often utilize emojis such as trains, Ninja's, 1:03:42.160 --> 1:03:45.840 slot machines, double swords, shields, ogre, face mask, and crowns. 1:03:46.080 --> 1:03:48.919 Members also use South American slang in Arabic language terms 1:03:48.920 --> 1:03:52.160 to mask their identities on social media. They've cited the 1:03:52.240 --> 1:03:56.240 NYPD tattoos featuring Michael Jordan fucking Ninja emojis. You're told 1:03:56.360 --> 1:03:58.960 you that that's a TDA sybol. That's not just something 1:03:59.000 --> 1:03:59.600 people use. 1:04:01.080 --> 1:04:03.240 Yeah, man, this is like, I mean, there's a large 1:04:03.360 --> 1:04:06.480 Arab or population of Arab descent in Venezuela. That's where 1:04:06.480 --> 1:04:10.120 these slangs come from. Like, people use emojis particularly in 1:04:10.400 --> 1:04:13.680 this context because their education has not been the best right, Like, 1:04:14.000 --> 1:04:17.600 the access to literacy is less than it would be 1:04:17.640 --> 1:04:20.440 in other contexts. So like sometimes they use emoji, so 1:04:20.600 --> 1:04:23.360 they just use them because it's funny. But like the 1:04:23.400 --> 1:04:25.720 notion of like and yeah, people will use slang. People 1:04:25.720 --> 1:04:28.680 will spell shit the way they say it. Sometimes when 1:04:28.720 --> 1:04:31.880 I'm talking to Venezuelan people, you know, if I'm talking 1:04:31.880 --> 1:04:34.400 to a source and they as sometimes I have to 1:04:34.440 --> 1:04:36.960 really allowed to help me understand what they're saying. Yes, 1:04:37.040 --> 1:04:39.960 that is very common to people in Venezuela. There's nothing 1:04:40.000 --> 1:04:41.920 to do with being a member of a gang whatsoever. 1:04:42.280 --> 1:04:45.040 Yeah, and I mean there's a lot of that in 1:04:45.120 --> 1:04:49.120 terms of like the fact that the Chicago Bulls and 1:04:49.320 --> 1:04:55.000 Michael Jordan are popular among immigrants, right, Like that that's 1:04:55.160 --> 1:04:57.920 particularly Venezuelan immigrants, and a lot of it comes from, like, well, 1:04:58.520 --> 1:05:01.400 a lot of Venezuelan immigrants tend to like these things 1:05:01.440 --> 1:05:04.640 in media, tend to like these musicians and get tattoos 1:05:04.680 --> 1:05:08.040 that reference these things in popular culture or these things 1:05:08.320 --> 1:05:11.400 you know that that different Venezuelan artists have put out, 1:05:11.440 --> 1:05:14.080 and that's I mean, it's certainly not a sign that like, 1:05:14.120 --> 1:05:17.680 oh these things signal membership and this criminal organization and more. 1:05:18.200 --> 1:05:20.880 They're just targeting Venezuelans and these things are more common 1:05:20.880 --> 1:05:23.720 among Venezuelans, but not certainly not exclusive to that group. 1:05:23.760 --> 1:05:25.960 When you're when you're saying that like a Michael Jordan's 1:05:25.960 --> 1:05:29.080 shirt or tattoo is a symbol of membership in a criminal, 1:05:29.160 --> 1:05:31.440 criminal organization, well, I guess like a third of my 1:05:31.520 --> 1:05:34.000 high school were criminals. I mean they were, but not 1:05:34.040 --> 1:05:36.360 in this way. 1:05:36.720 --> 1:05:40.160 Yeah, like these are very common, like the Jordan logo, 1:05:40.160 --> 1:05:43.120 I don't know what it's called at the jumping Jordan logo. 1:05:43.440 --> 1:05:47.080 Not a big sports where fan myself, but like, yeah, 1:05:47.120 --> 1:05:50.000 it's very common. It's because people buy fake designer power 1:05:50.080 --> 1:05:52.640 all the time. Like you will also see people tons 1:05:52.640 --> 1:05:56.360 of people with Louis Veton items. They're not real. It 1:05:56.360 --> 1:05:58.640 does not indicate membership in any gang. It's just kind 1:05:58.640 --> 1:06:02.960 of aspirational thing that you can buy any almost anywhere 1:06:02.960 --> 1:06:05.440 in Venezuela because no one's going down there to enforce 1:06:05.480 --> 1:06:09.920 copyright laws. Like it's not it it doesn't indicate any affiliation. 1:06:10.080 --> 1:06:14.200 Sometimes it indicates like an interest with the United States, right, 1:06:14.240 --> 1:06:16.080 like like that these are where these things come from, 1:06:16.080 --> 1:06:17.480 and this is a place where these people would like 1:06:17.560 --> 1:06:19.600 to go. I also saw a guy cross a Darien 1:06:19.640 --> 1:06:23.480 Glap in Nike Alpha flys like the the super Fast 1:06:23.520 --> 1:06:27.880 Marathon running shoes with the giant carbon plated spring. Like 1:06:28.600 --> 1:06:31.560 this is not like indication of anything other than that, 1:06:31.680 --> 1:06:35.840 Like this person thought those were cool and they purchased them. Yeah, 1:06:35.960 --> 1:06:38.280 are you familiar with this Cartel de lo Solis thing? 1:06:38.920 --> 1:06:39.000 No? 1:06:39.600 --> 1:06:43.440 Okay, So like the Cartel del Solis, the Cartel of 1:06:43.640 --> 1:06:48.440 the Sun of the Sun's I guess it's another organization 1:06:49.360 --> 1:06:52.680 which the US is alleging that Maduro is is like 1:06:52.880 --> 1:06:58.840 head of right that, like it's a vertically organized organization 1:06:59.080 --> 1:07:03.680 and that like Madudo is literally the chief of it. 1:07:04.080 --> 1:07:05.800 And I guess I just want to say, like the 1:07:05.840 --> 1:07:08.320 same shit applies. Right. There are gangs all over Karrakas 1:07:08.360 --> 1:07:11.400 as well as names we haven't mentioned. What you've got 1:07:11.440 --> 1:07:15.240 here is state failure. Right Like in Venezuela, the state 1:07:15.240 --> 1:07:17.640 has failed to provide people with services, and it does 1:07:17.760 --> 1:07:22.080 not always enjoy a monopoly on the legitimate use of violence. 1:07:22.600 --> 1:07:26.480 You also have massive corruption. So it is absolutely the 1:07:26.560 --> 1:07:31.240 case that people smuggling drugs through Venezuela will be able 1:07:31.280 --> 1:07:34.880 to buy off certain officials, right, particularly like military commanders 1:07:34.920 --> 1:07:38.600 and people who have control over transit and border areas. 1:07:39.400 --> 1:07:43.560 It doesn't imply like a vertical structure per se. To 1:07:43.600 --> 1:07:45.959 be clear, I don't think Madada should be in charge 1:07:45.960 --> 1:07:48.560 of Venezuela. I think that Madoro regime is bad for 1:07:48.640 --> 1:07:51.360 Venezuela and bad for the world. But like it's very 1:07:51.400 --> 1:07:54.200 oversimplified to see it like straight up as like a 1:07:54.320 --> 1:07:57.200 narco regime, right that there is more to it than 1:07:57.240 --> 1:07:59.400 that this is the country that hits on masses of oil. 1:08:00.240 --> 1:08:03.920 This is a country that has been incredibly corrupt from 1:08:03.960 --> 1:08:07.640 an incredibly long time now, and you're always going to 1:08:07.760 --> 1:08:13.440 see these organizations creeping into the government, right when the 1:08:13.480 --> 1:08:15.920 government can't even pay its own people will guarantee them 1:08:15.920 --> 1:08:21.840 a decent and dignified quality of life, Like that doesn't 1:08:21.880 --> 1:08:27.559 mean that it is okay to just kill like first 1:08:27.560 --> 1:08:30.880 and foremost, I would imagine that if we go with 1:08:30.920 --> 1:08:33.400 the government story that the boats that they struck were 1:08:33.400 --> 1:08:36.720 carrying drugs, right, it is unlikely that people who are 1:08:36.720 --> 1:08:39.599 carrying those drugs or anything other than poor desperate young 1:08:39.600 --> 1:08:41.960 men who wanted a chance at a better life and 1:08:42.240 --> 1:08:45.840 or were intimidated into doing this, right, and maybe some 1:08:45.920 --> 1:08:47.479 of them chose to do this because they thought this 1:08:47.600 --> 1:08:51.480 was the way they could get money and the progress 1:08:51.560 --> 1:08:53.760 in a place that does not for the many opportunities. 1:08:54.520 --> 1:08:57.519 These are not the people who are in any way 1:08:57.600 --> 1:09:01.240 like making the calls, making the decision right, and so 1:09:02.000 --> 1:09:04.840 killing them isn't going to do very much because there 1:09:04.920 --> 1:09:08.640 is a massive supply of poor desperate young men in Venezuela, 1:09:09.280 --> 1:09:14.360 and it's not going to change anything to kill fourteen 1:09:14.520 --> 1:09:17.439 fifteen of them, other than it will obviously it's a 1:09:17.479 --> 1:09:19.720 tragedy for those families, right, there's people who lose their 1:09:19.800 --> 1:09:22.640 children or whatever. Yeah, and so like, I don't know 1:09:22.720 --> 1:09:26.040 until we solve the situation that life is untenable for 1:09:26.080 --> 1:09:29.400 people in Venezuela. Yes, there will be crime there, and yes, 1:09:29.479 --> 1:09:31.719 people from there will want to come to the United States. 1:09:31.800 --> 1:09:34.679 Both of those things make sense. That does not mean 1:09:34.720 --> 1:09:36.880 that people coming to the United States are coming to 1:09:36.880 --> 1:09:40.200 the United States to do bad things. The vast majority 1:09:40.200 --> 1:09:42.320 of them are coming to the United States to escape 1:09:42.600 --> 1:09:46.280 bad things. That we've had so much discourse about Venezuelan 1:09:46.320 --> 1:09:49.240 people and crime. Even in the you know, this has begun, 1:09:49.880 --> 1:09:53.160 I think in Chicago in the Biden administration, I have 1:09:53.360 --> 1:09:58.640 not seen journalists of whatever political stripe talk to Venezuelan 1:09:58.680 --> 1:10:03.840 people about this. Like, with very few exceptions, it's very 1:10:03.840 --> 1:10:08.240 easy to find Venezuelan people, especially you know, if you 1:10:08.479 --> 1:10:10.920 if you work at the border and you do border reporting. 1:10:10.960 --> 1:10:13.120 But even still, you know, lots of these Venezuelan people 1:10:13.160 --> 1:10:15.920 went to Denver, some of them went to Chicago, some 1:10:15.960 --> 1:10:18.280 of them went to the Springs in Colorado, many of 1:10:18.320 --> 1:10:19.880 them went to Texas. They went to all kinds of 1:10:19.920 --> 1:10:21.920 places when they came to the United States. Right, if 1:10:21.920 --> 1:10:24.000 you speak Spanish, it's not hard to find these people 1:10:24.080 --> 1:10:27.400 and ask them what's it like in Venezuela, why did 1:10:27.439 --> 1:10:29.960 you come here? And then perhaps you can you know, 1:10:30.120 --> 1:10:33.840 establish a picture of yeah, it's pretty shit. Right, people 1:10:34.240 --> 1:10:36.639 work hard every day and don't make enough to feed 1:10:36.640 --> 1:10:40.280 their family, if their kid is sick, if their elderly 1:10:40.400 --> 1:10:43.880 parents can't work and need support, it's really hard to 1:10:43.960 --> 1:10:46.760 do that. That is why they want to come to 1:10:46.760 --> 1:10:49.360 the US. That is why often young men want to 1:10:49.360 --> 1:10:51.320 come to the US right because the world as it 1:10:51.360 --> 1:10:54.479 is gives them the highest level of economic opportunity, and 1:10:54.600 --> 1:10:57.479 so the family will send them to the US such 1:10:57.479 --> 1:10:59.200 as they can earn enough money and they hope one 1:10:59.280 --> 1:11:02.000 day to bring their families here. Sometimes you also see 1:11:02.000 --> 1:11:04.439 people bringing their very young children because they realize there's 1:11:04.439 --> 1:11:07.240 no future for their children in Venezuela, so they make 1:11:07.320 --> 1:11:09.960 the choice to try and come to somewhere which once 1:11:10.160 --> 1:11:15.640 promised a future for hardworking people and doesn't really anymore. 1:11:15.840 --> 1:11:18.400 But like it just it pains me so much to 1:11:18.439 --> 1:11:23.640 see this discussion of Venezuela without Venezuelan people, most of 1:11:23.640 --> 1:11:26.760 whom I found to be wonderful, Like I spent a 1:11:26.760 --> 1:11:28.840 good amount of time in Venezuela and even longer with 1:11:28.920 --> 1:11:31.360 Venezuelan people, and I have a great affection for them, 1:11:31.560 --> 1:11:36.000 like they've been nothing but kind to me. Even now, 1:11:36.200 --> 1:11:39.160 like a year after I was in the Darien Gap, 1:11:39.479 --> 1:11:42.200 I get text all the time from Venezuelan people, the 1:11:42.200 --> 1:11:45.479 majority of them not asking for help, just asking how 1:11:45.520 --> 1:11:47.479 I am asking? Do I know what happened to the 1:11:47.479 --> 1:11:52.439 Bolivian girl? Do I know what happened to Zimbabwean women? 1:11:52.920 --> 1:11:56.639 Like genuinely concerned even admits like a really shit situation 1:11:56.760 --> 1:11:58.799 for them, concerned for the well being of other people. 1:11:58.840 --> 1:12:02.759 And I just wish instead of talking about yeah, there 1:12:02.520 --> 1:12:07.560 are hundreds, maybe thousands of Venezuelan people who are involved 1:12:08.439 --> 1:12:10.439 in moving drugs United States, we could talk about the 1:12:10.439 --> 1:12:12.400 millions of people who just want to work hard and 1:12:12.439 --> 1:12:14.439 have a decent life and who are being denied a 1:12:14.520 --> 1:12:16.920 chance to do that home, and are now being denied 1:12:16.920 --> 1:12:18.240 a chance to do that here as well. 1:12:19.040 --> 1:12:23.240 Yeah. Well, I think that's about it for our episode today. 1:12:23.720 --> 1:12:25.240 Until next time, folks, I don't know. 1:12:27.120 --> 1:12:28.120 Best of luck out there. 1:12:28.840 --> 1:12:46.880 Yeah. 1:12:47.000 --> 1:12:49.719 Welcome to akap here, a podcast where your host wakes 1:12:49.800 --> 1:12:51.960 up every morning and rolls a d six to determine 1:12:51.960 --> 1:12:54.519 whether the government wants to exterminate her for being trans 1:12:54.640 --> 1:12:57.400 artistic or Chinese. This week, I am your host to 1:12:57.439 --> 1:13:00.200 be a Wong. We have rolled the dice. This week 1:13:00.280 --> 1:13:03.280 is autism Week, and by autism week, I mean anti 1:13:03.320 --> 1:13:07.599 autism week. The Trump administration or specifically orifica junior promise 1:13:07.640 --> 1:13:10.400 at the beginning is like April roughly that they were 1:13:10.400 --> 1:13:13.240 going to find the cause of autism by the end 1:13:13.280 --> 1:13:18.080 of the summer, and they are claiming that the cause 1:13:18.120 --> 1:13:24.639 of autism is taking tyle and all when you're pregnant, 1:13:25.800 --> 1:13:30.240 and that's not true. And to talk about how unbelievably 1:13:30.360 --> 1:13:33.839 vile and unhinged this is. Is Crystal, who's a unionized 1:13:33.880 --> 1:13:36.400 abortion care worker who is also Clozilla on Blue Sky 1:13:36.600 --> 1:13:40.559 and a friend of the show, Done many things. Welcome 1:13:40.600 --> 1:13:41.080 to the show. 1:13:41.479 --> 1:13:42.559 Yeah, thank you so much, Mea. 1:13:42.600 --> 1:13:45.680 It's always so wonderful to come and talk about horrifying 1:13:45.720 --> 1:13:48.479 things with you and be filled with existential dread together. 1:13:49.760 --> 1:13:50.360 It's so good. 1:13:50.439 --> 1:13:52.479 And by good, I mean the worst thing I've ever seen. 1:13:54.439 --> 1:13:55.960 I'm like, this is such a great time to be 1:13:56.000 --> 1:13:58.960 a trans, non binary abortion care worker. I just love 1:13:59.400 --> 1:14:02.519 I love like being hated in so many different ways. 1:14:02.680 --> 1:14:05.960 You just like a rich tapestry of hatred towards you. 1:14:06.320 --> 1:14:07.719 It's really great, so good. 1:14:09.120 --> 1:14:11.720 So okay. That's actually kind of where I want to 1:14:11.760 --> 1:14:14.879 start about this is that most of the media coverage 1:14:15.320 --> 1:14:19.320 of this has been purely focusing on the tail and 1:14:19.400 --> 1:14:22.400 all causing autism, well especifically that causing autism. And I 1:14:22.439 --> 1:14:24.240 want to point out because most of the news articles 1:14:24.280 --> 1:14:26.559 that cover this simply do not mention this. They are 1:14:26.600 --> 1:14:29.639 also claiming that taking tail and all if your pregnant 1:14:29.680 --> 1:14:32.479 causes ADHD, a thing which you think would be noteworthy 1:14:32.560 --> 1:14:35.400 to point out, but has just not. Yeah, I don't know. 1:14:35.439 --> 1:14:38.120 I don't know why people aren't reading the transcript. I 1:14:38.120 --> 1:14:39.600 don't know why, but they're not. 1:14:40.080 --> 1:14:41.519 Yeah, I actually hadn't seen that part. 1:14:41.640 --> 1:14:44.479 Like I was literally just reading and observing like just 1:14:44.560 --> 1:14:48.200 the pregnancy and what that means for you know, pregnant people, 1:14:48.720 --> 1:14:51.759 and I like didn't see any of the ADHD stuff, 1:14:51.920 --> 1:14:53.720 So that was new when you brought that up to me. 1:14:53.840 --> 1:14:56.879 Yeah, it's it's just not being reported on. It's really baffling. 1:14:57.000 --> 1:14:59.040 So I want to before we sort of busy get 1:14:59.040 --> 1:15:01.840 into the wait, hold on, why the fuck are they 1:15:01.880 --> 1:15:06.040 doing this? What is happening here? Because and as Chris 1:15:06.080 --> 1:15:08.639 Oligo had to say, actually toile it all is safe 1:15:08.760 --> 1:15:13.679 for people who are pregnant, it's fine. But I want 1:15:13.680 --> 1:15:16.680 to go over a bit of like what's actually in 1:15:16.720 --> 1:15:19.640 this because it's a really really weird. We're gonna be 1:15:19.640 --> 1:15:22.200 getting more into the sort of like into the autism 1:15:22.280 --> 1:15:25.680 angle in another episode next week, but I want to 1:15:25.720 --> 1:15:28.240 talk a little bit about just like the actual stuff 1:15:28.240 --> 1:15:31.640 that was in this announcement where Trump is saying that 1:15:31.680 --> 1:15:33.560 a you shouldn't give talle all to pregnant people and 1:15:33.560 --> 1:15:35.759 also saying like you shouldn't give it to like young children, 1:15:37.120 --> 1:15:39.840 and is like, you know, it's like ranting about like 1:15:40.040 --> 1:15:43.160 mercury and aluminum in vaccines, which like, this shit isn't real, 1:15:43.479 --> 1:15:46.840 Like there hasn't even been anything like even remotely related 1:15:46.880 --> 1:15:49.479 to mercury vaccines for ages. It also never did anything, 1:15:50.200 --> 1:15:53.200 but this is all weird andiw Wakefield special shit. He 1:15:53.240 --> 1:15:55.000 also has this thing where he's talking about like how 1:15:55.040 --> 1:15:58.320 you should separate the MMR vaccines, which is a thing 1:15:58.400 --> 1:16:00.280 that if you have seen the h bomber Guy video 1:16:00.360 --> 1:16:02.439 you will know. The reason that that was an anti 1:16:02.520 --> 1:16:05.720 vax talking point was because Wakefield was selling separate vaccines, 1:16:06.479 --> 1:16:08.400 and so he was trying to convince parents that having 1:16:08.400 --> 1:16:09.920 all three of the vaccines that once to give their 1:16:10.000 --> 1:16:12.040 kids autism, but if you did it separately, it wouldn't 1:16:12.920 --> 1:16:16.040 through scientific things that don't make any sense, even according 1:16:16.120 --> 1:16:20.160 to his own incredibly made up bullshit. Wakefield, by the way, 1:16:20.200 --> 1:16:23.000 is the guy who sort of kicked off the modern 1:16:23.080 --> 1:16:27.719 anti vaccine movements by abusing a bunch of children and 1:16:28.040 --> 1:16:31.200 publishing an incredibly fake study and then getting it retracted, 1:16:31.240 --> 1:16:34.120 and then getting is midical license retracted because it was 1:16:34.280 --> 1:16:37.439 incredibly fake and abused children. So Trump is sort of 1:16:37.520 --> 1:16:40.160 just repeating the stuff that he's like vaguely remembers. There's 1:16:40.160 --> 1:16:42.320 there's a whole bunch of this sort of like stuffy 1:16:42.360 --> 1:16:45.080 vaguely remembers, like he's he's he goes on a random 1:16:45.160 --> 1:16:48.519 rant about like how Cuba doesn't have taile at all, 1:16:48.600 --> 1:16:51.920 so they don't have autism, and that homage people and 1:16:51.960 --> 1:16:53.760 this is the one that goes around loss like, oh, 1:16:53.760 --> 1:16:55.519 seople don't have autism because they don't take drugs, and 1:16:55.520 --> 1:16:58.800 it's like, oh my god. I also just I want 1:16:58.840 --> 1:17:02.960 to read a quote from RFK Junior about this, which, 1:17:03.640 --> 1:17:06.160 again and I want to point this out, the actual 1:17:06.320 --> 1:17:09.479 point of this thing is announcing that the FDA is 1:17:09.520 --> 1:17:11.920 not going to recommend that you take a set of 1:17:11.960 --> 1:17:14.640 metaphine or tiland all if you're pregnant. I'm just going 1:17:14.720 --> 1:17:17.439 to read this and I'm gonna ask if you can 1:17:17.479 --> 1:17:19.840 figure out what the link between this and tail and 1:17:19.920 --> 1:17:24.360 all is. This is from RFK Junior quote. President Trump 1:17:24.360 --> 1:17:26.519 believes that we should be listening to these mothers instead 1:17:26.520 --> 1:17:30.960 of gas lighting and marginalizing them, marginalizing them like prior administrations, 1:17:31.520 --> 1:17:34.080 some of our friends like to say we should believe 1:17:34.200 --> 1:17:37.360 all women. Some of these same people have been silencing 1:17:37.360 --> 1:17:40.200 and demonizing these mothers for three decades because research on 1:17:40.240 --> 1:17:43.320 the potential link between autism and vaccines has been suppressed 1:17:43.360 --> 1:17:43.920 in the past. 1:17:45.000 --> 1:17:46.840 So is this basically talking about kind of like the 1:17:46.840 --> 1:17:52.120 celebrity anti vax people and like the grifters. 1:17:51.200 --> 1:17:55.479 And yeah, yeah, it's like I can't believe that. Oh, 1:17:55.520 --> 1:17:57.360 I mean I can believe but like a the fact 1:17:57.400 --> 1:18:02.000 that RFK Junior noted repeat did Lee accused of sexual 1:18:02.080 --> 1:18:04.759 assault and whose response, when asked to about it was quote, 1:18:04.760 --> 1:18:06.960 I have a lot of skeletons in my closet. Is 1:18:07.000 --> 1:18:12.679 doing believe all women? But about vaccines causing autism? 1:18:13.000 --> 1:18:14.920 Yeah, I mean it's only just like a talking point 1:18:15.640 --> 1:18:17.800 that they can use in their favor, he is, it's 1:18:17.800 --> 1:18:20.360 never actually about you know it? 1:18:21.640 --> 1:18:22.000 Yeah? 1:18:22.080 --> 1:18:25.000 Oh god? And like that, like this is just like 1:18:25.120 --> 1:18:28.840 the average thing in this speech that isn't barely even 1:18:28.840 --> 1:18:29.759 getting neuse coverage. 1:18:30.280 --> 1:18:32.559 I mean there's also what Trump said as well, which 1:18:32.720 --> 1:18:33.320 oh yeah. 1:18:33.200 --> 1:18:34.840 Because I've seen a lot of that too, And it's 1:18:34.880 --> 1:18:37.760 like between what Trump said, and what RFK Junior said, 1:18:37.800 --> 1:18:39.360 it's like what where do you even like, where does 1:18:39.360 --> 1:18:42.240 the media focus? Like, how do you explain this to 1:18:42.280 --> 1:18:43.360 the American audience? 1:18:44.000 --> 1:18:46.840 Yeah, it's it's ridiculous. And then they also brought in 1:18:46.960 --> 1:18:51.120 Marty mcerray, who's the Commissioner of the FDA, who has 1:18:51.160 --> 1:18:54.439 the giant rants about how, like I learned in medical school, 1:18:55.240 --> 1:18:58.160 just treat fevers, low grade fevers with the seed of metaphine. 1:18:58.280 --> 1:18:59.920 Why what are we doing a study out of hop 1:19:00.040 --> 1:19:02.439 it's actually showed treating a fever can prolong the duration 1:19:02.479 --> 1:19:05.559 of illness in a young child. Maybe that's because fever 1:19:05.720 --> 1:19:07.879 is a body's natural way of ridding an infection. 1:19:08.640 --> 1:19:11.320 Yeah, well that's absolutely not true. 1:19:11.520 --> 1:19:14.519 I mean there's like we know that like fevers are 1:19:14.600 --> 1:19:18.160 dangerous for young children and pregnant people. 1:19:18.360 --> 1:19:21.479 It's yeah, I don't, I don't know. It's just it's 1:19:21.520 --> 1:19:23.320 just total made up bullshit. 1:19:23.360 --> 1:19:26.600 Like it's just eugenics, right, Like they're they're like, oh, no, 1:19:26.680 --> 1:19:29.880 you shouldn't actually do anything to treat the illnesses because 1:19:29.880 --> 1:19:32.439 if the child is strong, then like they'll go through 1:19:32.439 --> 1:19:34.800 it naturally and they'll become stronger. And it's like, no, 1:19:35.120 --> 1:19:36.160 that's eugenics. 1:19:36.680 --> 1:19:38.960 Yeah, this goes for the pregnancy of it all too, 1:19:39.080 --> 1:19:43.080 because it's about being able to suffer and enduring. And 1:19:43.320 --> 1:19:45.600 it's it's the same case, the same kind of like 1:19:45.640 --> 1:19:49.559 puritanical survival of the fittest eugenics shit, whether you're talking 1:19:49.560 --> 1:19:53.360 about pregnancy or you're talking about like literally young. 1:19:53.240 --> 1:19:57.040 Children who have fevers, same same like approach. 1:19:57.800 --> 1:20:02.120 Yeah. This also links directly back to what they're trying 1:20:02.160 --> 1:20:04.280 to do here, right, because the thing that they're trying 1:20:04.360 --> 1:20:07.679 to do is get rid of autistic people. 1:20:08.120 --> 1:20:09.639 Yeah, Like they. 1:20:09.479 --> 1:20:13.839 Don't want there to be children born with autism. Yeah, 1:20:14.320 --> 1:20:17.479 And in order to do this, they are willing to 1:20:17.520 --> 1:20:20.880 not take vaccines. They are willing to well, I mean, 1:20:20.920 --> 1:20:22.960 I guess I guess, I guess I should say not 1:20:23.040 --> 1:20:26.639 letting pregnant people take tail and all is really truly 1:20:26.760 --> 1:20:31.120 the most some of you must die. But that's sacrifice 1:20:31.160 --> 1:20:33.720 I'm willing to make. Thing that I've ever seen. But 1:20:35.160 --> 1:20:38.320 it's you know, it's absolutely hideous. There's like, yeah, these 1:20:38.320 --> 1:20:41.320 people they don't want autistic kids to be born, you know. 1:20:41.360 --> 1:20:44.760 And that's also just straight up part of the eugenics 1:20:44.760 --> 1:20:48.200 thing that the project that they're doing, right, there's on 1:20:48.240 --> 1:20:50.519 the one hand, the sort of pure survival of the fittest, 1:20:50.920 --> 1:20:54.240 fuck them kids, let them just die of fevers, and 1:20:54.280 --> 1:20:56.840 then on the other hand there's the just active like, oh, 1:20:56.880 --> 1:20:59.639 we're just gonna do all this stuff that we think 1:20:59.680 --> 1:21:02.639 will just make auld there not be autistic kids. 1:21:03.640 --> 1:21:06.160 Yeah, and they definitely care more about their being less 1:21:06.200 --> 1:21:09.160 autistic children than there are about actually, like you know, 1:21:09.200 --> 1:21:13.639 addressing infant mortality. Yeah, and it's definitely it's treating autism 1:21:13.840 --> 1:21:16.320 as in something that can be prevented by the choice 1:21:16.360 --> 1:21:19.559 of the parents, as opposed to it just being something 1:21:19.680 --> 1:21:23.720 that some people are born that way. Also, you know, 1:21:23.760 --> 1:21:25.920 same with being queer and trans and all these things. 1:21:26.080 --> 1:21:27.960 It's this idea that you can like choose it, that 1:21:28.000 --> 1:21:30.120 you can, like, if the parents are strong enough and 1:21:30.160 --> 1:21:32.479 they can endure enough pain and they can suffer enough, 1:21:32.600 --> 1:21:36.639 and if they you know, make the right choices, then 1:21:36.760 --> 1:21:40.479 they can avoid having a child with autism. And it's 1:21:40.520 --> 1:21:42.840 not really that dissimilar than like, oh, what to do 1:21:42.920 --> 1:21:46.280 if you like have a queer child, a trans child. 1:21:46.680 --> 1:21:48.760 It's this idea that like that is something that can 1:21:48.760 --> 1:21:51.360 be controlled and eliminated, which is eugenics, which is you know, 1:21:51.400 --> 1:21:52.519 as you've been saying, so. 1:21:52.560 --> 1:21:55.440 Definitely, Uh, do you know what isn't eugenics? 1:21:56.720 --> 1:21:59.920 The products and services? I would really hope, so fucking hope. 1:22:00.320 --> 1:22:03.400 I really I don't know. I cannot. I don't know 1:22:03.400 --> 1:22:06.160 what these ads are going to be if they are eugenics, 1:22:06.320 --> 1:22:10.360 let us know at I right, okay on Twitter in 1:22:10.479 --> 1:22:12.759 blue Sky. Actually I don't know if you still on Twitter, 1:22:12.760 --> 1:22:14.840 I have no idea, but on their in ages? Who 1:22:15.400 --> 1:22:31.760 these ads? We are back? So let's talk about specifically 1:22:32.400 --> 1:22:36.439 the don't use Thailand all of it all. Can you 1:22:36.479 --> 1:22:38.559 talk a bit about just like the importance of tailan 1:22:38.600 --> 1:22:40.400 al and pain management for pregnant people. 1:22:40.920 --> 1:22:43.479 Yeah, And I bet like there's definitely probably people out 1:22:43.479 --> 1:22:45.200 there who are like, why tiland All, Why did they 1:22:45.280 --> 1:22:45.640 choose this? 1:22:45.720 --> 1:22:45.760 Like? 1:22:45.760 --> 1:22:47.680 Where did this come from? Is it because Trump can't 1:22:47.720 --> 1:22:48.560 say a sentimentophen? 1:22:48.760 --> 1:22:51.040 You know a lot of people have been, you know, speculating, 1:22:51.600 --> 1:22:54.440 And first off, I do want to say that autism 1:22:54.600 --> 1:23:00.000 predates tilan all, Like, oh, like Thailand all like came 1:23:00.080 --> 1:23:02.320 to be in like the nineteen fifties, and you know, 1:23:02.520 --> 1:23:06.080 autism existed before that and has probably already always been 1:23:06.120 --> 1:23:08.720 around to some degree, which we don't know, I don't know. 1:23:08.760 --> 1:23:11.800 It's it's a very complex and we're still you know, 1:23:12.240 --> 1:23:14.280 there's been so much stigma around it for so long 1:23:14.320 --> 1:23:18.400 that it's difficult to talk about. But thilanol is basically 1:23:18.400 --> 1:23:22.360 one of the only pain medications that pregnant people can take, 1:23:22.800 --> 1:23:25.000 and that's why it's tail and all. I think that 1:23:25.000 --> 1:23:27.040 that is the way of looking at this, where it's like, 1:23:27.080 --> 1:23:29.160 why did they single out this medication, and it's because 1:23:29.160 --> 1:23:31.960 it's the only pain medication that a pregnant person can take, 1:23:32.040 --> 1:23:35.360 because as we know, there's other pain medications like the 1:23:35.479 --> 1:23:38.240 N SAIDs, like hyboprofen and aproxen, and then of course 1:23:38.240 --> 1:23:42.160 there's opioids, which is obviously not good during pregnancy. They 1:23:42.160 --> 1:23:44.679 of course, talk to your doctor, because I'm not a doctor, 1:23:44.680 --> 1:23:46.960 and you should always get this from doctors. Talk to 1:23:47.000 --> 1:23:50.960 your obgian. But N SAIDs are typically not recommended in 1:23:50.960 --> 1:23:53.559 the last three months of pregnancy because they can cause 1:23:53.840 --> 1:23:58.200 issues with amniotic fluid and baby's kidneys and things like that. 1:23:58.560 --> 1:24:02.080 So it is typically recomoned that you avoid byboprofen and 1:24:02.120 --> 1:24:04.920 other things like that, and you take tile and all 1:24:05.320 --> 1:24:09.200 to reduce fevers, to reduce pain. Obviously, there is a 1:24:09.240 --> 1:24:13.080 lot to be sick with when you're pregnant. There's a 1:24:13.120 --> 1:24:16.200 lot of source of pain. You know, Fever and headaches 1:24:16.240 --> 1:24:21.840 are definitely something that pregnant people experience. But pretty much 1:24:21.960 --> 1:24:25.719 like because it is the only pain medication that pregnant 1:24:25.720 --> 1:24:27.800 people can take, then it's really easy to be like, oh, well, 1:24:27.840 --> 1:24:29.960 what are they taking? This is what they're taking, and 1:24:30.000 --> 1:24:33.160 then you can go from there. And this is very 1:24:33.280 --> 1:24:37.599 much coming from It feels so weird saying this coming 1:24:37.600 --> 1:24:42.120 from like a biblical sense of like Eve eat the apple. 1:24:42.640 --> 1:24:45.760 Eve is the original sinner. I think, I don't know, like, 1:24:45.960 --> 1:24:48.479 you know, Eve did the bad thing. So Eve needs 1:24:48.520 --> 1:24:51.920 to suffer during pregnancy. All women need to suffer during pregnancy. 1:24:52.439 --> 1:24:56.400 That's very much like a very biblical take on this. 1:24:56.800 --> 1:24:58.840 And I think that is kind of why why tile 1:24:58.840 --> 1:25:01.920 and all, because it's what pregnant people are taking to 1:25:02.000 --> 1:25:03.920 reduce pain and to address fevers. 1:25:04.320 --> 1:25:07.400 Yeah, and I want to read a quote from the 1:25:07.439 --> 1:25:09.800 Commissioner of the FDA that he gave while he was 1:25:09.840 --> 1:25:13.880 speaking about this, where he says, quote, when my wife 1:25:13.920 --> 1:25:15.920 was pregnant and delivered our son a few months ago, 1:25:16.040 --> 1:25:17.840 they pushed her to take a seat of metaphine for 1:25:17.880 --> 1:25:21.000 a low grade fever. She said no, and then they 1:25:21.040 --> 1:25:24.240 looked at me and I said absolutely no. I'm also 1:25:24.280 --> 1:25:27.200 here to announce good news today, the FDA is filing 1:25:27.200 --> 1:25:29.800 a federal registered notice to change the label on an 1:25:29.800 --> 1:25:32.360 exciting treatment called prescription look over and so it can 1:25:32.360 --> 1:25:35.680 be available to children with autism. So you could see 1:25:35.760 --> 1:25:38.479 like how casually he is doing just doing this like no, no, no, no, no, yeah, 1:25:38.479 --> 1:25:41.479 Like I'm really proud of my wife for saying no 1:25:42.000 --> 1:25:46.800 to taking tyle lanol for a fever, and like they 1:25:46.840 --> 1:25:49.000 also look look at this and it's like the like, oh, 1:25:49.040 --> 1:25:50.960 they pushed her to take a seat of metaphine for 1:25:50.960 --> 1:25:55.080 a low grade fever. It's like that's an extremely normal 1:25:55.320 --> 1:25:59.719 thing for a doctor to say to you, Like, take 1:25:59.800 --> 1:26:03.559 time ellenol for your fever is like the least like 1:26:03.720 --> 1:26:07.360 medically invasive thing a doctor can possibly recommend. Like what 1:26:07.400 --> 1:26:08.240 are we doing here? 1:26:08.600 --> 1:26:11.519 Yeah, it's really basic medicine. And also like there's like 1:26:11.600 --> 1:26:13.360 there's a ways to profit off of this too, because 1:26:13.360 --> 1:26:16.360 if you can't take any pain medication when you're pregnant, 1:26:16.800 --> 1:26:18.880 but you can take I think they were recommending something 1:26:18.960 --> 1:26:21.000 like I don't even know it was like something fullic 1:26:21.080 --> 1:26:24.439 acid thingy. They were recommending that you take something which 1:26:24.479 --> 1:26:27.759 obviously now can be like profit off of and sold. 1:26:28.360 --> 1:26:32.919 This is a very capitalist, very grifter approach to medicine 1:26:32.920 --> 1:26:35.120 and healthcare because obviously, always talk to your doctor and 1:26:35.120 --> 1:26:38.880 your obgian about taking any medication when you're pregnant, Like, 1:26:39.360 --> 1:26:40.080 talk to your doctor. 1:26:40.080 --> 1:26:41.639 They're going to be the best source of information. 1:26:42.520 --> 1:26:46.160 So the fullic acid thing is a licoverin, which is 1:26:46.920 --> 1:26:51.839 a medicine for anemia and counteracting the effects of chemotherapy meds. 1:26:52.720 --> 1:26:54.240 Yeah, I wouldn't. 1:26:54.320 --> 1:26:56.200 And then there's specifically like, oh, this will stop your 1:26:56.240 --> 1:27:00.639 children from having autism. Okay, no it won't. 1:27:00.840 --> 1:27:03.280 No, no, no no. 1:27:03.360 --> 1:27:07.400 I mean like there are there are respected organizations speaking 1:27:07.479 --> 1:27:10.120 up right now kind of like about like the facts, 1:27:10.160 --> 1:27:13.160 about the studies, about what's real. So there's like Physicians 1:27:13.160 --> 1:27:16.080 for Reproductive Health, you know, saying like there's decades of 1:27:16.120 --> 1:27:18.960 study of studies of Thailand all being safe to take 1:27:19.040 --> 1:27:22.280 during pregnancy. There's a COG, which is a big professional 1:27:22.280 --> 1:27:27.040 membership organization of like tens of thousands of obgyns saying like, hey, 1:27:27.160 --> 1:27:31.240 Thailand all is safe during pregnancy. So there's been decades 1:27:31.280 --> 1:27:35.120 of studies on thailan al use and pregnancy. Some of 1:27:35.120 --> 1:27:37.360 the studies published in the Journal of the American Medical 1:27:37.400 --> 1:27:41.760 Association that says how safe it is, So like it 1:27:41.800 --> 1:27:44.000 is it is, it is safe. It is absolutely one 1:27:44.040 --> 1:27:47.679 hundred percent safe to take to treat pain and fever 1:27:48.360 --> 1:27:50.519 during pregnancy. So, like, you know, in terms of like 1:27:50.560 --> 1:27:52.360 who can you look to, Like, definitely look at the 1:27:52.360 --> 1:27:54.880 obgyns right now and what they're saying and the physicians 1:27:55.200 --> 1:27:57.559 and these respected organizations, because they're going to tell you 1:27:57.600 --> 1:27:59.879 the truth. But the problem is that that this information 1:27:59.920 --> 1:28:01.559 is not reaching the public. 1:28:02.200 --> 1:28:05.760 Yeah, and instead, yeah, they're just getting the President of 1:28:05.800 --> 1:28:09.440 the United States and all of these just weird conspiracy 1:28:09.439 --> 1:28:12.160 people that they've installed as the people running the US 1:28:12.240 --> 1:28:15.840 medical establishment being like, oh no, actually this is really 1:28:15.960 --> 1:28:19.000 bad for you for reasons. 1:28:19.520 --> 1:28:22.200 Yeah, it's all very vague, it's not really backed by 1:28:22.880 --> 1:28:27.360 like decades of medical research. And like also too, there's 1:28:27.400 --> 1:28:31.639 so many people who have not taken any medication during 1:28:31.680 --> 1:28:35.200 pregnancy and they still have children who are autistic. 1:28:35.520 --> 1:28:38.680 Yeah, it's just like it's just absolutely ridiculous. And like 1:28:39.040 --> 1:28:41.599 any way you look at the numbers, like in terms 1:28:41.600 --> 1:28:44.799 of you know, if you look at like the increasing 1:28:44.880 --> 1:28:47.639 race of tile and all usage by pregnant people versus 1:28:47.720 --> 1:28:50.720 like autistic kids. It's not like the timely usage goes 1:28:50.760 --> 1:28:54.599 up way higher and then the autistic numbers don't change 1:28:54.640 --> 1:28:57.120 that much relative to it. It's just like it's all 1:28:57.240 --> 1:28:58.720 just the nonsense. 1:28:59.400 --> 1:29:00.160 Well so, so. 1:29:00.320 --> 1:29:03.320 There is the eugenics of it all, and there's also 1:29:03.920 --> 1:29:06.960 the aspect that we've been dealing with with the rampant 1:29:06.960 --> 1:29:11.040 abortion bands and the criminalization of pregnancy that we've been 1:29:11.080 --> 1:29:15.160 seeing over honestly over the decades. It's about controlling bodies 1:29:15.320 --> 1:29:17.240 and like this is also with trans healthcare too, Like 1:29:17.520 --> 1:29:20.520 it's about it's about eugenics, about kind of this necropolitics 1:29:20.560 --> 1:29:23.640 of choosing who lives and dies and being able to 1:29:23.720 --> 1:29:28.200 choose everything about a person's body, even how they're just stated, 1:29:28.400 --> 1:29:31.639 you know, like oh, the parents shouldn't take this and 1:29:31.880 --> 1:29:34.680 they shouldn't do this, And then it opens up when 1:29:34.680 --> 1:29:39.040 it comes to control and surveillance and criminalization of a 1:29:39.080 --> 1:29:42.400 pregnant person that can go in so many different directions 1:29:42.439 --> 1:29:44.200 because you know they're telling you not to take tile 1:29:44.280 --> 1:29:47.160 and all. If they just randomly chose tilan Al, they 1:29:47.160 --> 1:29:51.559 can randomly choose anything. They could talk about epidurals, because 1:29:51.600 --> 1:29:54.040 there is like this idea that you should suffer and 1:29:54.080 --> 1:29:55.719 that you shouldn't shoot the fever, and that you should 1:29:55.760 --> 1:29:58.920 experience pain during pregnancy, just like that one quote that 1:29:58.960 --> 1:30:01.200 you shared about his wife. So they're going to like 1:30:01.280 --> 1:30:05.599 start targeting other things. And also there's already so much 1:30:06.040 --> 1:30:10.479 criticism and control and judgment and stigma over things like 1:30:10.520 --> 1:30:13.599 if you're working while you're pregnant, if you're drinking coffee 1:30:13.640 --> 1:30:17.880 while you're pregnant, if you're eating certain things. There's already 1:30:17.960 --> 1:30:21.639 so much like policing over pregnant bodies without even touching 1:30:21.680 --> 1:30:24.880 on abortion, but like they're also trying to control how 1:30:24.880 --> 1:30:27.280 you even dispose of pregnancies, Like if you're looking at 1:30:27.320 --> 1:30:30.280 the states that are requiring you to call the police 1:30:30.320 --> 1:30:32.240 if you have a miscarriage, so that it's like they 1:30:32.240 --> 1:30:35.280 want to control how you miscarry, how you have an abortion. 1:30:36.080 --> 1:30:39.479 Worth noting too, because this is absolutely connected to abortion 1:30:39.520 --> 1:30:42.800 and abortion pills. If the government is coming out and 1:30:42.840 --> 1:30:45.960 saying that tail and all causes autism and it's not 1:30:46.000 --> 1:30:48.120 safe to take while you're pregnant or to use to 1:30:48.120 --> 1:30:50.679 treat a fever in young children, then they can also 1:30:51.320 --> 1:30:54.479 say things like the abortion pill is not safe because 1:30:54.560 --> 1:30:57.280 they've been trying to get the FDA to take away 1:30:57.680 --> 1:31:01.000 the approval of mifipristoe saying that it's danger is And 1:31:01.360 --> 1:31:02.760 you know, if they're going to say that tile and 1:31:02.800 --> 1:31:05.320 all is dangerous and causes autism, then it's like it's 1:31:05.360 --> 1:31:07.160 going to be so easy for them to say that 1:31:07.200 --> 1:31:09.439 the abortion pill is deadly as well. 1:31:09.720 --> 1:31:11.760 And they've already been doing this with vaccines in terms 1:31:11.760 --> 1:31:14.599 of like it like they've been restricting access to vaccines 1:31:14.600 --> 1:31:17.720 to people without pre existing conditions, which admittedly is a 1:31:17.760 --> 1:31:20.120 lot of people, Like the list of pre existing conditions 1:31:20.160 --> 1:31:22.960 is really long and you should just try to get 1:31:23.000 --> 1:31:26.320 them anyways. But like, yeah, like this isn't a hypothetical. 1:31:26.360 --> 1:31:28.960 They are already doing this with vaccines, a thing that 1:31:29.000 --> 1:31:31.839 we do all need in order to not get horribly 1:31:31.880 --> 1:31:34.479 sick and die from plagues, a thing which there are 1:31:34.520 --> 1:31:35.519 many of right now. 1:31:35.920 --> 1:31:38.040 Yeah, And I think that this definitely goes to show 1:31:38.160 --> 1:31:43.200 how topics like abortion and early pregnancy loss and miscarriage 1:31:43.520 --> 1:31:46.320 and abortions later in pregnancy, like the way they've been 1:31:46.320 --> 1:31:50.840 talking about this has spread to all aspects of pregnancy, 1:31:51.160 --> 1:31:53.760 and it's spreading to other areas too, Like so when 1:31:53.800 --> 1:31:57.880 we haven't addressed the bands and the stigma and the criminalization, 1:31:58.720 --> 1:32:01.840 it's it's been spreading. It's to vaccines, it's spreading to 1:32:03.120 --> 1:32:06.400 trans healthcare. It's just it's just I feel like I've 1:32:06.400 --> 1:32:09.840 been watching this black hole just grow and grow and 1:32:09.880 --> 1:32:13.000 grow over the years and and just take away our 1:32:13.040 --> 1:32:17.320 access to these to these really basic medical things. And yeah, 1:32:17.520 --> 1:32:19.519 like I just see, like we let it happen with abortion, 1:32:20.280 --> 1:32:22.160 and then now all of a sudden, now we can't 1:32:22.200 --> 1:32:25.160 take thailan all during pregnancy because it caused autism. Yep, 1:32:35.640 --> 1:32:39.160 there's so much to say about the eugenics and autism 1:32:39.200 --> 1:32:42.080 aspect of this, so much to say more than like 1:32:42.120 --> 1:32:43.320 we can say right now. 1:32:43.880 --> 1:32:47.320 Don't worry. There will be another episode of this show 1:32:47.320 --> 1:32:52.360 about yeah, with some doctors next week probably just. 1:32:52.240 --> 1:32:55.879 Like focusing right now on like pregnancy and policing pregnant 1:32:55.880 --> 1:33:01.360 bodies and tail and all and paid bandage and what's 1:33:01.439 --> 1:33:04.559 real the fact that tailan al is safe to take 1:33:04.600 --> 1:33:07.120 while pregnant and doesn't cause autism. 1:33:07.320 --> 1:33:09.360 You know, it's really dwelling on that. But like, there 1:33:09.400 --> 1:33:10.080 is a lot to say. 1:33:10.479 --> 1:33:13.000 There's a lot to say about the implications of this 1:33:13.680 --> 1:33:16.479 where like where this came from in our society and 1:33:16.520 --> 1:33:18.600 where it's going, and it's all really horrifying. 1:33:19.000 --> 1:33:24.120 Yeah, it's it's exceptionally bleak, but I do think and 1:33:24.360 --> 1:33:26.800 this is I think a theme we're going to be 1:33:26.840 --> 1:33:30.320 returning to a lot in the coming days and weeks. 1:33:30.439 --> 1:33:34.120 But like, the only silver lining for this is that 1:33:34.160 --> 1:33:37.840 this shit is not popular. It's just not People hate it. 1:33:37.920 --> 1:33:40.920 People hate the administration. They have been hating the administration. 1:33:41.040 --> 1:33:44.400 Every day it goes by, they hate it more, you know. 1:33:44.439 --> 1:33:46.439 And this is part of the control strategy, right, part 1:33:46.439 --> 1:33:50.520 of the reason why they're making these incredibly draconian moves 1:33:50.640 --> 1:33:53.840 into authoritarian moves into the domestic spheres because it's a 1:33:53.880 --> 1:33:56.760 way of suppressing descent, and they have to do that. 1:33:57.080 --> 1:33:59.320 They have to suppress dessense, and they have to take 1:33:59.320 --> 1:34:02.360 things from us, and they have to continue to try 1:34:02.400 --> 1:34:05.200 to just beat everyone into submission because they can't do 1:34:05.240 --> 1:34:07.839 it through actual persuasion. What they have is the violence 1:34:07.880 --> 1:34:10.120 of the state, and they're going to try to keep 1:34:10.160 --> 1:34:14.040 doing that. But the violence of the state only functions 1:34:14.120 --> 1:34:17.360 insofar as people allow it. Shoe function, you know, And 1:34:17.520 --> 1:34:19.640 this has always been sort of the secret of the 1:34:19.720 --> 1:34:22.200 United States, which is that like a bunch of the 1:34:22.240 --> 1:34:24.759 things that they're doing, or they're attacked as a crackdowns 1:34:24.760 --> 1:34:28.439 that they're attempting to do, are effectively unenforceable because people 1:34:28.479 --> 1:34:32.519 simply refuse to cooperate with them. And you know, this 1:34:32.720 --> 1:34:35.120 is a field well, I mean, I don't know until 1:34:35.160 --> 1:34:36.920 they just straight up ban tile and all. This is 1:34:36.920 --> 1:34:38.840 a thing where I guess we're mostly just trying to 1:34:38.840 --> 1:34:42.760 spread information, but like the things that they do can 1:34:42.840 --> 1:34:46.479 be opposed, and when people oppose them on mass they lose. 1:34:47.600 --> 1:34:50.680 And I don't know, I want to give people a little. 1:34:50.439 --> 1:34:52.439 Tiny bit of hope, you want to be positive. 1:34:53.120 --> 1:34:57.639 Yeah, So the deterioration of public health and the United 1:34:57.640 --> 1:35:02.599 States is absolutely state violence. Focusing on taile andol and 1:35:02.760 --> 1:35:09.160 stigmatizing autism and people with autism is like distracting from 1:35:09.200 --> 1:35:12.439 so many things that are actual public health emergencies. So 1:35:12.640 --> 1:35:15.080 when they're talking about pregnancy, they're talking about tilentel and autism. 1:35:15.200 --> 1:35:19.519 There are so much more severe things going on in 1:35:19.560 --> 1:35:22.439 the United States right now when it comes to both 1:35:22.520 --> 1:35:26.160 the health of pregnant people and infants. So there's the 1:35:26.560 --> 1:35:30.800 Black maternal mortality crisis, which is so severe in so 1:35:30.840 --> 1:35:34.479 many states that it's just constantly like abortion bands have 1:35:34.520 --> 1:35:38.799 made that even worse. There's terrible infant mortality rates rising 1:35:39.200 --> 1:35:43.360 in states. So for example, Mississippi declared infant debts and 1:35:43.479 --> 1:35:48.280 emergency because they halted that CDC information data collection program. 1:35:48.960 --> 1:35:53.680 So Mississippi declared a public health emergency from rising infant mortality. 1:35:54.200 --> 1:35:57.839 And there's also I mean, I believe that the abortion 1:35:57.960 --> 1:36:00.800 bands are a medical crisis as well. And there's also 1:36:01.280 --> 1:36:05.320 huge obgyn deserts in this country, Like we're seeing like 1:36:05.360 --> 1:36:10.080 the loss of obgyn health providers where people can't access 1:36:10.200 --> 1:36:14.320 a obgyn for miles and miles and miles and there's 1:36:14.400 --> 1:36:18.679 just entirely a lack of providers. These are all very 1:36:18.840 --> 1:36:23.800 very serious public health emergencies. And yet they're talking about autism. 1:36:24.160 --> 1:36:25.960 Yeah. Well, and as such as they're talking about is 1:36:26.000 --> 1:36:29.240 they're making all of these crises worse, Like specifically the 1:36:29.280 --> 1:36:32.040 opgyn crisis, It's like, yeah, I don't know, they've been 1:36:32.160 --> 1:36:34.479 kicking a bunch of people off of their access to 1:36:35.280 --> 1:36:37.280 of their access to government insurance, and like what does 1:36:37.320 --> 1:36:41.120 that to oh wait, hold on, it just absolutely annihilates 1:36:41.360 --> 1:36:43.400 the income and revenue base of a bunch of hospitals 1:36:43.439 --> 1:36:45.599 that already like weren't making much money in rural areas, 1:36:45.640 --> 1:36:47.840 and so more of them close because they lease their 1:36:47.840 --> 1:36:50.599 revenue sources, and suddenly all of these crises just continue 1:36:50.640 --> 1:36:51.240 to get worse. 1:36:51.600 --> 1:36:56.839 Yeah, So we have like this stigmatization of autism, parents 1:36:56.840 --> 1:37:03.200 of autistic children, trans people, trans children, when like they're 1:37:03.200 --> 1:37:06.920 focusing on this and they're vilifying and dog piling and 1:37:07.000 --> 1:37:12.200 stigmatizing and and all of these things these groups. While 1:37:12.320 --> 1:37:16.840 there is this snowballing of crises, the damage already just 1:37:16.880 --> 1:37:19.599 from Roe v. Wade being overturned in twenty twenty two, 1:37:19.720 --> 1:37:22.080 Like it's like been three years and there's just been 1:37:22.120 --> 1:37:27.800 this like cascading just ever increasing public health disasters from it. 1:37:28.320 --> 1:37:32.679 And yet we're we're stigmatizing vulnerable people. 1:37:33.360 --> 1:37:35.120 Yeah, in the ways that we've been talking about. 1:37:35.200 --> 1:37:35.400 Right. 1:37:35.520 --> 1:37:40.559 Their ideology is about inflicting suffering on vulnerable people because 1:37:40.600 --> 1:37:43.919 they think that it's good. And that's a thing that's 1:37:44.000 --> 1:37:49.280 you know, i mean just obviously incompatible with public health 1:37:50.240 --> 1:37:53.160 as a concept, which is you know, part of why 1:37:53.200 --> 1:37:54.960 they're sort of dismantling it. Part of it is that 1:37:55.000 --> 1:37:59.599 these people are all like selling their own weird anti 1:37:59.680 --> 1:38:02.080 vaccine grift stuff that they've been selling for years and 1:38:02.160 --> 1:38:06.000 years and years and years, and all of this has 1:38:06.040 --> 1:38:07.920 just sort of come together into just the sort of 1:38:07.920 --> 1:38:11.880 abyss where every all, everything that was the public health 1:38:11.960 --> 1:38:14.240 infrastructure in this country, which was insufficient to begin with, 1:38:14.320 --> 1:38:17.640 i'd just been disappearing more and more into yeah. 1:38:17.560 --> 1:38:19.799 The erosion of our public health. 1:38:20.240 --> 1:38:24.120 You know, this isn't like new, these decades of you know, 1:38:24.439 --> 1:38:27.000 this coming into being where we are right now, but 1:38:27.400 --> 1:38:30.240 it's been really horrible to watch as a healthcare worker, 1:38:30.760 --> 1:38:36.120 as somebody who cares about just like everyone being able 1:38:36.160 --> 1:38:40.400 to get like evidence based care, have access to medical providers, 1:38:40.479 --> 1:38:42.840 and then also the ability to do whatever kind of 1:38:42.840 --> 1:38:44.400 health care they need to be able to do on 1:38:44.439 --> 1:38:48.360 their own as well to just have this solid medical information. 1:38:48.840 --> 1:38:51.320 And then also there's the public education of it all too, 1:38:51.600 --> 1:38:56.080 because already, like there's this attack on public education, which 1:38:56.240 --> 1:38:59.599 autistic children need a lot of support in order to thrive, 1:39:00.120 --> 1:39:02.240 and schools are you know, they could be equipped to 1:39:02.320 --> 1:39:06.360 do that where I've seen wonderful programs and wonderful education 1:39:06.439 --> 1:39:08.599 services that really set people up for success. 1:39:08.600 --> 1:39:09.839 And this goes for like everyone. 1:39:10.160 --> 1:39:12.880 Obviously, like any child is going to benefit from this, 1:39:13.360 --> 1:39:15.640 but it just it makes everything so much worse. A 1:39:15.760 --> 1:39:19.800 like parents and families and just autistic people just don't 1:39:19.800 --> 1:39:23.719 get enough support period, just like trans people as well. 1:39:23.800 --> 1:39:26.080 And then we're all just being thrown under the bus 1:39:26.960 --> 1:39:30.559 for the capitalist class and the elites so they can 1:39:30.600 --> 1:39:34.960 continue to like you know, hide their their pedophilia rings 1:39:35.400 --> 1:39:38.680 and like the whole just the fact that they're all 1:39:38.720 --> 1:39:41.240 like because like what you said earlier about RFK, Yeah, 1:39:41.320 --> 1:39:44.320 these are all a bunch of child molesters telling us 1:39:44.600 --> 1:39:48.920 that we're not strong or brave enough to endure pain 1:39:48.960 --> 1:39:52.880 that we can easily treat with the medical technology that 1:39:52.920 --> 1:39:55.479 we have. And I feel like I normally, I feel 1:39:55.520 --> 1:39:57.400 like I used to not talk like this. I used 1:39:57.400 --> 1:39:59.439 to not be like child molesters in the government, like 1:39:59.479 --> 1:40:01.040 I kind of fe but I'm like, this. 1:40:00.960 --> 1:40:03.919 Is literally where we are right now somehow. 1:40:04.680 --> 1:40:07.040 So here I am, like, you know, talking about til 1:40:07.160 --> 1:40:10.680 and all being safe for pregnant people Thailand all not 1:40:10.760 --> 1:40:13.960 causing autism, and then talking about the fact that our 1:40:14.000 --> 1:40:17.840 government is wrung run by a bunch of pedophiles. Not 1:40:17.920 --> 1:40:20.080 quite where I expected to be if you had talked 1:40:20.080 --> 1:40:21.360 to me like eight years ago. 1:40:21.400 --> 1:40:23.400 Maybe it's really something. 1:40:23.760 --> 1:40:26.519 It's it's really wild to be talking about this right now. 1:40:27.080 --> 1:40:28.760 And like we knew this was coming too. 1:40:28.920 --> 1:40:31.920 Like there's been months of whispers where it's like, oh, yeah, 1:40:31.920 --> 1:40:34.479 they're going to say tilan all causes autism. So like this, 1:40:34.960 --> 1:40:37.479 I knew this was coming somehow. I don't even know how. 1:40:37.960 --> 1:40:38.960 It's just yeah. 1:40:39.000 --> 1:40:40.960 I feel like it's all very transparent and like there's 1:40:41.040 --> 1:40:43.320 leaks and there's whatever. But I like, I knew this 1:40:43.360 --> 1:40:45.639 was coming for months, and yet here we are. 1:40:46.360 --> 1:40:50.320 Here we are, Yeah, And I don't know. I think 1:40:50.360 --> 1:40:52.240 that's as good of a place to end unless you 1:40:52.280 --> 1:40:53.840 have anything else you want to make sure you get in. 1:40:54.160 --> 1:40:56.160 I just want to say again that it's safe to 1:40:56.200 --> 1:40:58.679 take tailan all during pregnancy and it doesn't cause autism. 1:40:58.840 --> 1:41:02.280 Yeah, absolutely, and tell everyone you. 1:41:02.320 --> 1:41:08.759 Know that and share good resources like ACOG acog Physicians 1:41:08.800 --> 1:41:13.839 for Reproductive Health PRH I believe is their initials acronym. 1:41:14.520 --> 1:41:17.120 We will put links to stuff in the description of this. 1:41:17.400 --> 1:41:21.880 Yeah, and also ask your doctor about medication that you 1:41:21.920 --> 1:41:24.639 should take, whether you're predunt or not. You know, it's 1:41:24.680 --> 1:41:27.919 cool to ask your doctor stuff, like just ask them questions. 1:41:29.680 --> 1:41:32.280 Yeah, yeah, that is what they are there for. 1:41:51.760 --> 1:41:54.400 Gooddy and welcome to here. 1:41:54.840 --> 1:41:59.000 I'm Andrew Siege andrasm on YouTube and I'm here. 1:41:58.960 --> 1:42:01.920 With James Stout. For those of you wondering what my 1:42:02.000 --> 1:42:02.599 last name. 1:42:02.560 --> 1:42:05.880 Is, Hello, Hello, And for those who couldn't tell about 1:42:05.880 --> 1:42:09.759 my accent or maybe don't recognize it, I'm from Trinado, Tobago, 1:42:10.000 --> 1:42:12.840 but when and based and you may or may not 1:42:13.000 --> 1:42:16.719 have seen Trinad's name being called up in JD. Van's 1:42:16.800 --> 1:42:20.800 and Marco Rubio's mouths dately, particularly with the moves the 1:42:20.920 --> 1:42:23.760 US has been making in the Caribbean Sea as of late. 1:42:24.479 --> 1:42:27.919 So to provide a little context on the insighting incident 1:42:28.040 --> 1:42:32.040 of this episode, the current Prime Minister Trinado Biego came 1:42:32.080 --> 1:42:38.679 a PUSA prossessor, expressed very passionate support for the US's 1:42:38.760 --> 1:42:44.880 recent move on an alleged Venezuela based drug vessel. I 1:42:44.960 --> 1:42:47.240 say alleged because no proof has been provided that it 1:42:47.400 --> 1:42:50.200 was a drug vessel or anything of that nature that 1:42:50.400 --> 1:42:54.040 the United States struck. The Prime Minister said, and I quote, 1:42:54.520 --> 1:42:57.560 that she has no sympathy for traffickers and that the 1:42:57.680 --> 1:43:00.720 US should kill them all violently. 1:43:01.479 --> 1:43:04.600 Jesus Christ for those I. 1:43:04.600 --> 1:43:07.000 Mean most people do not know much about Trinitian politics. 1:43:07.040 --> 1:43:09.720 I don't expect them to. Our current prime minister she 1:43:09.800 --> 1:43:13.320 won this year actually, and she kind of carried on 1:43:13.439 --> 1:43:18.840 that trend of incumbent losing the elections that took place, 1:43:19.000 --> 1:43:23.720 you know, post COVID lockdown twenty twenty era. So the 1:43:23.960 --> 1:43:27.519 previous prime minister was Prime Minister, doctor Keith Rowley. He 1:43:27.720 --> 1:43:29.960 was prime minister for like ten years. He became prime 1:43:29.960 --> 1:43:33.679 Minister after she lost her last stint as prime minister. 1:43:34.240 --> 1:43:36.760 Because she's kind of a mess in a couple of 1:43:36.760 --> 1:43:39.800 different ways. I mean, both parties are pretty corrupt, but 1:43:40.000 --> 1:43:44.479 they're corrupt and incompetent in some very critical ways. Corrupt 1:43:44.560 --> 1:43:48.440 and racists and a couple other issues. That trend continues 1:43:49.160 --> 1:43:54.240 with her new candidacy. You know, she's not only feeling 1:43:54.640 --> 1:43:57.360 the country in some crucial ways. You know, she canceled 1:43:57.439 --> 1:44:02.200 our Independence Day celebrations. She fired like thousands of workers 1:44:02.360 --> 1:44:08.080 from a local agency that's responsible for landscaping around the 1:44:08.160 --> 1:44:11.360 country basically you know, cut in grass and clear entrains. 1:44:11.439 --> 1:44:12.000 That sort of thing. 1:44:12.920 --> 1:44:15.479 Fired like thousands of them, right, and all the entire 1:44:15.520 --> 1:44:18.120 country is overgrown and all those people have, like like 1:44:18.280 --> 1:44:20.760 right before their children have to go to school. You know, 1:44:20.880 --> 1:44:23.880 they had no income to support them. So there's like 1:44:23.880 --> 1:44:26.360 a lot of cruelty, a lot of corruption, a lot 1:44:26.400 --> 1:44:34.160 of incompetence, and in this particular case, diplomatic carelessness, recklessness 1:44:34.680 --> 1:44:37.280 because she goes and she says this despite the fact 1:44:37.320 --> 1:44:41.240 that not only the US violated law, international law, but 1:44:41.479 --> 1:44:44.600 also we are small. You may not be able to 1:44:44.640 --> 1:44:46.479 see train that in a lot of maps because we 1:44:46.600 --> 1:44:49.080 are small. You know, we may be one of the 1:44:49.120 --> 1:44:52.920 more populated Caribbean countries, but we are still small. Venezuela 1:44:53.040 --> 1:44:58.600 is our closest neighbor, and she has been exceedingly irresponsible 1:44:59.280 --> 1:45:03.719 in the ways that she approached Venezuela. Because the previous 1:45:03.720 --> 1:45:09.120 administration actually had an agreement with Venezuela regarding the extraction 1:45:09.439 --> 1:45:13.360 of their fossil fuels in the waters that are between 1:45:13.439 --> 1:45:17.200 Trinidad and Venezuela. We had to get permission from the 1:45:17.280 --> 1:45:20.400 United States to get into that agreement with Venezuela because 1:45:20.479 --> 1:45:24.760 Venezuela is currently under sanction, and for the longest time, 1:45:25.000 --> 1:45:27.200 Trinad has had to walk this sort of tight rope 1:45:27.439 --> 1:45:31.439 of playing nice with both the US and Venezuela. She's 1:45:31.479 --> 1:45:35.439 basically come in guns blazon to make state months that 1:45:35.960 --> 1:45:41.240 appear to be openly aggressive towards Venezuela, towards Venezuela. 1:45:40.800 --> 1:45:42.240 And sovereignty and so on. 1:45:43.320 --> 1:45:48.000 Now, her reasoning is that Trinidad has been ravaged by 1:45:48.160 --> 1:45:51.280 a lot of violence and addiction that have been caused 1:45:51.280 --> 1:45:56.880 by these drug cartails coming from South America, including Venezuela. 1:45:57.439 --> 1:45:59.479 This is a very real issue, the illegal gun and 1:45:59.600 --> 1:46:03.759 drug and human trafficking that takes place between South America 1:46:03.800 --> 1:46:06.080 and Trinidad. We are transship one point for that sort 1:46:06.120 --> 1:46:08.519 of activity, and that kind of thing brings violence. 1:46:08.920 --> 1:46:09.240 The US. 1:46:09.280 --> 1:46:10.960 Two is that while she may be able to say 1:46:11.040 --> 1:46:13.960 things like make God bless and protect the members of 1:46:14.000 --> 1:46:17.760 the US military, the US and the US military are 1:46:17.840 --> 1:46:22.920 in part responsible for the violence that is ravaged Latin America. 1:46:23.200 --> 1:46:25.719 But it's also not even particularly interested. 1:46:26.040 --> 1:46:28.799 Regardless of what their words may say, they're not particularly 1:46:28.920 --> 1:46:31.760 interested in deal with with the drug issue. At the 1:46:31.840 --> 1:46:34.360 end of the day, it really comes down to regime 1:46:34.520 --> 1:46:38.360 change and a desire to control then as well as resources. 1:46:38.840 --> 1:46:40.680 But let me take it back for a moment and 1:46:41.400 --> 1:46:44.479 provide a longer history of what's going on. 1:46:44.920 --> 1:46:45.080 Right. 1:46:45.320 --> 1:46:49.439 The United States became independent in seventeen seventy six. You know, 1:46:49.600 --> 1:46:53.960 Trinidad became a colony of the UK in seventeen ninety seven, 1:46:54.479 --> 1:46:57.840 not long after that, because prior to being under the UK, 1:46:58.080 --> 1:47:01.880 Trinado was under the Spanish, and while being under the 1:47:01.920 --> 1:47:05.400 Spanish was settled by French settlers, so it was like 1:47:05.560 --> 1:47:09.879 Spanish laws French settlers and then later. 1:47:09.720 --> 1:47:11.680 On UK governance. 1:47:12.479 --> 1:47:15.439 And so the War of eighteen twelve, which is you know, 1:47:15.680 --> 1:47:17.400 the war took place between the US and the UK, 1:47:18.360 --> 1:47:23.280 led to some African Americans siding with the UK and 1:47:23.400 --> 1:47:28.479 exchange for emancipation and in exchange for their services in 1:47:28.600 --> 1:47:32.400 that war. That group of people, which became North Americans, 1:47:32.600 --> 1:47:37.280 were resettled in South Trinidad and actually descended from some 1:47:37.360 --> 1:47:42.400 of them allegedly, So there is this history of exchange 1:47:42.520 --> 1:47:47.200 taking place between the US and Trinidad. You know, during 1:47:47.240 --> 1:47:51.280 World War Two, America had military bases established in Trinidad. 1:47:51.400 --> 1:47:53.559 We had Wall of Field which was commissioned in nineteen 1:47:53.600 --> 1:47:56.280 forty one and the Chagram Must Naval Base which was 1:47:56.600 --> 1:48:00.559 fully operational nineteen forty three, and that provided strategy, naval 1:48:00.640 --> 1:48:04.960 and air facilities in the Caribbean. Thanks to the destroyers 1:48:05.040 --> 1:48:09.920 for basses agreement with the British. The British got destroyers 1:48:10.080 --> 1:48:13.760 and the US got basis in the British colonies. Now, 1:48:13.920 --> 1:48:17.840 thankfully the BASS was scale back and eventually decommissioned and 1:48:17.880 --> 1:48:20.679 return into Trinian Tobey was controlled by nineteen sixty three, 1:48:21.360 --> 1:48:25.680 but that took a lot of protest and margin to accomplish. 1:48:25.920 --> 1:48:27.799 It was a whole thing or trying to get Yankee 1:48:28.520 --> 1:48:32.679 out of Trinidad. Yankee did provide some benefits to Trinidad 1:48:32.800 --> 1:48:37.800 in terms of establishing infrastructure for highways and that sort 1:48:37.800 --> 1:48:42.680 of thing, but there was also a not so positive social. 1:48:42.360 --> 1:48:44.000 Impact of the American presence. 1:48:44.560 --> 1:48:48.880 You know, one Calypsonian known as the Mighty Sparu sang 1:48:49.080 --> 1:48:53.000 in a song called Gene and Dina that basically the 1:48:53.120 --> 1:48:58.720 American presence funded a lot of households due to prostitution well, 1:48:59.320 --> 1:49:02.320 and the song was basically about how Jane and Dinah 1:49:02.360 --> 1:49:04.400 had to go and find other work now that the 1:49:04.439 --> 1:49:08.240 Americans were leaving. So, after the failure of the West 1:49:08.240 --> 1:49:12.880 Indies Federation and the independence of countries like Jamaica and 1:49:13.080 --> 1:49:17.320 Trinantobago from the UK, the location of the former military 1:49:17.360 --> 1:49:22.800 base Shagaramas also ended up becoming the temporary location of 1:49:23.040 --> 1:49:27.519 the capital of the short lived Westerndies Federation. After the 1:49:28.120 --> 1:49:33.080 West Indies Federation broke apart, Shagrammas became the place where 1:49:33.080 --> 1:49:36.440 the Treaty of Chagaramas was signed between the newly independent 1:49:36.600 --> 1:49:40.080 countries of Trinando, Tobago and Jamaica and so forth, which 1:49:40.240 --> 1:49:44.120 established Cara comm the Caribbean Community and Common Market in 1:49:44.240 --> 1:49:45.160 nineteen seventy three. 1:49:45.840 --> 1:49:47.000 CARACOM will come up later. 1:49:47.560 --> 1:49:51.200 Cara Commas kind of like if the EU was like 1:49:52.040 --> 1:49:56.360 entirely toothless and didn't really do much of anything. It's 1:49:56.600 --> 1:49:59.160 like a nice idea of trying to get a bit 1:49:59.200 --> 1:50:04.200 of regional collabor and inspiration and trade and movement. But 1:50:05.080 --> 1:50:08.160 it's still more expensive to go between islands than it 1:50:08.320 --> 1:50:10.600 is to go from an island in the US. So 1:50:11.520 --> 1:50:16.760 CARACOM hasn't exactly succeeded in facilitating ireland movement thus far. 1:50:17.200 --> 1:50:30.080 But CARACOM will come up later on right trying Tobago 1:50:30.080 --> 1:50:32.839 buyet independence in nineteen sixty two. We became a republic 1:50:32.880 --> 1:50:36.160 in nineteen seventy six, and we were under the Prime 1:50:36.200 --> 1:50:39.920 ministership of doctor Eric Williams from nineteen sixty two to 1:50:40.120 --> 1:50:44.439 nineteen eighty one. Now, doctor Eric Williams, you know, was 1:50:44.479 --> 1:50:47.040 our first prime minister, and so he's respecting that regard. 1:50:47.240 --> 1:50:50.400 He also wrote Capitalism and Slavery, which was a really 1:50:50.439 --> 1:50:54.600 impactful piece of literature on the you know, role of 1:50:54.840 --> 1:50:58.439 capitalism in the abolition of slavery, or rather the economic 1:50:58.560 --> 1:51:03.000 motivation for the abolitioners as opposed to the claimed moral 1:51:03.720 --> 1:51:07.040 virtue of the British Empire in abolish and slavery when 1:51:07.080 --> 1:51:10.000 it did right, right. So he did some good academic 1:51:10.080 --> 1:51:12.680 work and you know, he was instrumental in the establishments 1:51:12.720 --> 1:51:16.679 of Trinantibago was an independent country, but he also suppressed 1:51:16.720 --> 1:51:19.160 the black power movements that took place a little while 1:51:19.320 --> 1:51:22.960 after we became independent because of his failures. He also 1:51:23.080 --> 1:51:27.559 banned the Trindadian born American immigrant Quamitia otherwise known as 1:51:27.640 --> 1:51:31.840 Totally Carmichael, which is like a world renowned socialist and panafganist. 1:51:32.680 --> 1:51:32.840 Right. 1:51:32.960 --> 1:51:36.000 So, through the seventies we had an oil boom and 1:51:36.240 --> 1:51:38.760 we became really really industrialized. We had another boom in 1:51:38.800 --> 1:51:42.519 two thousands, and unlike other Cribean countries, we didn't have 1:51:42.600 --> 1:51:45.280 to be dependent on tourism, and so we ended up 1:51:45.280 --> 1:51:49.120 going in a different developmental direction. The thing about the 1:51:49.160 --> 1:51:50.920 oil booms is that they really had more to do 1:51:51.120 --> 1:51:54.599 with sitting happenings in the Middle East than really anything 1:51:54.640 --> 1:51:56.720 that we did. You know, the oil bom just kind of. 1:51:56.720 --> 1:51:58.720 Fell on our lapse in that way. 1:51:58.920 --> 1:52:02.760 Right three, there was an invasion of Grenada by the 1:52:02.840 --> 1:52:07.920 United States after Maurice Bishop's who and the Organization of 1:52:08.000 --> 1:52:12.200 Eastern Caribbean States Dominica, Barbados and Jamaica called for the 1:52:12.360 --> 1:52:16.160 US to come an assist in dealing with this Marxist 1:52:16.200 --> 1:52:20.880 Leninist get in power in Grenada, while Tranto Bago, the UK, 1:52:21.080 --> 1:52:25.080 and Canada criticized the invasion. It was a violation of 1:52:25.160 --> 1:52:29.960 international law according to the UN General Assembly, but as usual, 1:52:31.000 --> 1:52:33.479 the law doesn't really apply to the US, so nothing 1:52:33.560 --> 1:52:34.080 really came. 1:52:33.960 --> 1:52:34.320 Out of that. 1:52:35.080 --> 1:52:39.320 Otherwise, the relation between the US and Trinato Bago has 1:52:39.479 --> 1:52:41.640 been you know, we have a lot of trade. You know, 1:52:41.720 --> 1:52:44.560 we have a large diaspora in the US. There's a 1:52:44.560 --> 1:52:47.719 lot of travel between the countries. Most of our tourism 1:52:47.920 --> 1:52:51.439 comes from the US. We have a lot of American 1:52:51.520 --> 1:52:56.479 based oil and gas companies established in Trinidad, and our 1:52:56.600 --> 1:53:02.360 whole consumerist culture is basically a copy in many ways 1:53:02.600 --> 1:53:05.080 of what the US does when they sneeze, we catch 1:53:05.120 --> 1:53:08.920 a cool as the saying goes, Yeah, I know, I'm 1:53:09.000 --> 1:53:12.519 establishing a lot of context, but it's together an idea 1:53:12.760 --> 1:53:16.920 of how we are where we are right now. Right, so, 1:53:17.160 --> 1:53:20.280 next door to Trina, we have Venezuela, and we really 1:53:20.400 --> 1:53:24.919 had this sort of diplomatic relationship going on with Maduro 1:53:25.560 --> 1:53:28.200 and the USA at the same time under the former 1:53:28.240 --> 1:53:32.040 Prime Minister, doctor Keith Roudi, who was of the same 1:53:32.120 --> 1:53:33.160 party as our. 1:53:33.080 --> 1:53:34.839 First Prime minister, Doctor arc Williams. 1:53:35.479 --> 1:53:39.080 Right with the issues taking place in Venezuela right now, 1:53:39.960 --> 1:53:45.000 there's been a large influx of migrants from Venezuela living Intronautobego. 1:53:45.360 --> 1:53:46.599 Right now, we'll mainly Trinidade. 1:53:46.720 --> 1:53:48.880 Yeah, right, I have a lot of Venezuelans now living 1:53:48.920 --> 1:53:51.120 in trinad some of them legally, some of them illegally. 1:53:51.840 --> 1:53:54.960 Prior to that recent wave, and by recent I'm talking 1:53:55.080 --> 1:53:58.800 like twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, Prior to that wave, we 1:53:58.960 --> 1:54:02.840 had Venezuelans introing that and we had Trinadians in Venezuela. 1:54:02.479 --> 1:54:05.240 Because you know, we're neighbors, right, it's close, you know. 1:54:05.280 --> 1:54:08.480 See you had Trinadians involved in the mining sector in Venezuela. 1:54:08.840 --> 1:54:12.840 You had Venezuelan's involved in the cucoa plantations in Trinidad. 1:54:13.200 --> 1:54:14.800 So we've always been a very. 1:54:14.720 --> 1:54:19.599 Mixed up group, right right, And this idea of strict 1:54:19.720 --> 1:54:24.760 border control between the countries is a very recent, politically 1:54:24.880 --> 1:54:29.559 motivated situation. Now with everything going on in Latin America 1:54:29.720 --> 1:54:34.560 thanks to the US intervention and the US is constantly 1:54:34.640 --> 1:54:37.959 failing war on drugs, we have a lot of violence 1:54:38.240 --> 1:54:42.480 passing between our our territories, you know, guns, drugs, human trafficking, 1:54:43.040 --> 1:54:46.360 as I mentioned. Yeah, and then Venezuela now is I 1:54:46.400 --> 1:54:48.320 mean their hands are not clean. I'm not saying any 1:54:48.360 --> 1:54:50.880 country's hands are cleaning this. I'm not trying to pay 1:54:50.920 --> 1:54:53.360 into a good guy bad guy at ecotomy. You know, 1:54:53.520 --> 1:54:57.080 Venezuela is still whole and strong to this claim that 1:54:57.160 --> 1:55:01.400 they have from since before they're in the penance that 1:55:02.680 --> 1:55:03.839 like more than half. 1:55:03.680 --> 1:55:05.720 Of Guyana actually belongs to them. 1:55:06.640 --> 1:55:11.520 Guyana, by the way, is an English speaking Caribbean culture 1:55:12.760 --> 1:55:18.800 country border in Venezuela, Surinam and Brazil. So Guyana recently 1:55:18.880 --> 1:55:24.880 explored and discovered a bunch of offshore reserves which you know, 1:55:25.480 --> 1:55:29.640 they're really excited to capitalize upon, and you know they 1:55:29.800 --> 1:55:31.960 have a lot of deals and agreements taking place with 1:55:32.040 --> 1:55:34.800 that is concerned. All of a sudden, Venezuela's like, you 1:55:34.880 --> 1:55:37.160 know that piece of land that we've long been saying 1:55:37.320 --> 1:55:40.160 is ours, Yeah, that that really is ours. And they started, 1:55:40.200 --> 1:55:43.160 you know, they're putting out maps claiming that most of 1:55:43.240 --> 1:55:45.920 Guyana is actually Venezuela and all these different things. So 1:55:45.960 --> 1:55:50.520 it's a very it's a very threatening situation because Venezuela 1:55:50.680 --> 1:55:53.400 is a military power in its own right, Yeah right, 1:55:53.480 --> 1:55:57.840 Guyana turned out we don't have much military prowess. So 1:55:58.160 --> 1:56:00.879 in a sense, I understand why both Trinidad and Guyana 1:56:01.000 --> 1:56:04.360 are cozying up with the US right now. But at 1:56:04.400 --> 1:56:08.600 the same time, this recent administration's cozying up has not 1:56:08.800 --> 1:56:12.640 been the most tactful, you know, because we do have 1:56:13.600 --> 1:56:16.360 a diplomatic approach that has worked well for US for 1:56:16.360 --> 1:56:18.880 a very long time. Now, the argument coulding made that 1:56:19.000 --> 1:56:24.320 maybe that diplomatic response, a diplomatic balance cannot be maintained 1:56:24.520 --> 1:56:30.640 forever our you know, neutrality cannot persist as things are 1:56:30.680 --> 1:56:35.000 heating up in the region. But we had an opportunity 1:56:35.600 --> 1:56:39.760 to respond carefully to respond in a measured fashion to 1:56:39.880 --> 1:56:43.920 the US's recent move with bombing the alleged drug vote. 1:56:44.160 --> 1:56:45.080 And we did not do that. 1:56:46.120 --> 1:56:49.680 Yeah, that's a pretty squndid chance to just like say, 1:56:50.240 --> 1:56:52.440 you know, we should respect international law here and and 1:56:52.880 --> 1:56:55.680 you know, like the easiest thing to say would be 1:56:55.880 --> 1:56:58.280 like there's a set of prodigious for doing this, we 1:56:58.320 --> 1:57:01.920 could follow them. Yeah, it's not hard to say that that. 1:57:02.160 --> 1:57:04.520 That that deal we had with Venezuela, that was a 1:57:04.600 --> 1:57:07.280 deal that we were able to negotiate on the bider. 1:57:07.760 --> 1:57:08.200 That was the deal. 1:57:08.360 --> 1:57:10.680 When Trump came into power, he just took back. He 1:57:10.880 --> 1:57:15.160 was like, Naya, can't do that anymore. So with Trump 1:57:15.320 --> 1:57:18.600 going in this either with US or against this kind 1:57:18.600 --> 1:57:23.080 of direction, that calls for extra you know care and 1:57:23.440 --> 1:57:26.400 you know you kind of dealing with a bomb that 1:57:26.480 --> 1:57:27.640 you're trying to work around, right. 1:57:28.320 --> 1:57:28.560 Yeah. 1:57:29.160 --> 1:57:32.560 But in the same year that Trump got elected, Camera 1:57:32.600 --> 1:57:35.760 Pasad Prossessor, our current prime minister, got elected. You know, 1:57:35.880 --> 1:57:38.520 she's known for being reckless, she's known for being a 1:57:38.600 --> 1:57:44.120 bit of a drunkard. She's passionately pro Trump. She was 1:57:44.200 --> 1:57:47.960 a COVID conspiracist. In the vein of one of her 1:57:47.960 --> 1:57:53.200 famous Coats is sunlight will kill COVID. She's passionately pro us, 1:57:53.760 --> 1:58:00.560 passionately anti Muduru, passionately racist, and very much anti character. Okay, 1:58:00.920 --> 1:58:03.800 right now, there's a bit of a history there because 1:58:04.320 --> 1:58:09.280 Triniad and Guyana, two Caribbean countries, is very large East 1:58:09.360 --> 1:58:14.280 Indian populations, as in Indians from India. Yeah, when the 1:58:14.320 --> 1:58:17.200 Western New Federation was getting it start, both Guyana and 1:58:17.320 --> 1:58:22.160 Trinidad's Indian populations had the concern that, considering the rest 1:58:22.160 --> 1:58:24.920 of the Caribbean as black majority, that they would not 1:58:24.960 --> 1:58:27.760 be adequately represented in a West Indies federation. 1:58:28.800 --> 1:58:31.840 And so that sort of opposition to. 1:58:32.800 --> 1:58:37.240 That level of regional unity seems to have persisted within 1:58:37.480 --> 1:58:43.600 some circles of in East Indian or Indocribbean politics. Okay, interesting, 1:58:44.000 --> 1:58:46.959 not all right, but some seem to have an opposition 1:58:47.120 --> 1:58:50.240 to too much Carecom involvement because they feel that their 1:58:50.320 --> 1:58:54.240 voices were drowned out by black people. And I mean 1:58:54.520 --> 1:58:56.720 there's a lot of anti blackness in that community, but 1:58:56.880 --> 1:59:01.640 that is not the subject of this particular episode. So 1:59:02.440 --> 1:59:04.840 that sort of opposition to WES in these federation seems 1:59:04.840 --> 1:59:07.840 to have carried over into opposition towards Cara com and 1:59:08.720 --> 1:59:12.400 when there was loading out among P and M supporters, 1:59:12.800 --> 1:59:16.120 which is the party of Dr Rowley and Doctor Williams, 1:59:17.360 --> 1:59:20.360 as well as something parts to momentum taking place, Camela 1:59:20.480 --> 1:59:24.160 ended up coming into power, right, And when she came 1:59:24.200 --> 1:59:28.320 into power, she's making these moves, making these statements and 1:59:28.520 --> 1:59:33.840 disregarding cara Com and disregarding cara Comm's opinion, disregarding cara 1:59:33.920 --> 1:59:36.640 comm involvement in Trindad's moves and decisions. 1:59:37.080 --> 1:59:38.040 As a small country. 1:59:38.480 --> 1:59:42.360 Cara com is supposed to be our way of beefing 1:59:42.440 --> 1:59:46.000 up our voice on the international stage. And she's basically 1:59:46.120 --> 1:59:48.800 saying then that you know, we a will do our 1:59:48.880 --> 1:59:54.240 own thing, right. Yeah, Well, I forgot to mention another 1:59:54.280 --> 1:59:57.640 thing about Kamla, just for a bit of context. Cambridge 1:59:57.680 --> 2:00:03.720 Analytica came into turnd and basically ran an experiment using 2:00:03.800 --> 2:00:07.240 our elections to test out some new strategies they ended 2:00:07.320 --> 2:00:08.880 up taking into the US. 2:00:09.800 --> 2:00:09.920 Right. 2:00:10.000 --> 2:00:15.800 They practiced their electoral manipulation in Trinidad, which is how 2:00:16.040 --> 2:00:19.440 Kamla won in the first time she was elected back 2:00:19.480 --> 2:00:22.760 in twenty ten, twenty fifteen. It was through collaboration with 2:00:22.880 --> 2:00:28.160 Cambridge Analytica. So again yet another connection between the US 2:00:28.320 --> 2:00:41.440 and Trinidad for better and for weeks. Yeah, So what's 2:00:41.440 --> 2:00:44.080 happening now is that, you know, on the second of September, 2:00:44.240 --> 2:00:47.560 the US bombed Perrogue and claimed to kill ele from 2:00:47.600 --> 2:00:51.440 people and claimed that there was a drug vote, despite 2:00:51.480 --> 2:00:53.560 the fact that they haven't provided any proof that the 2:00:53.600 --> 2:00:57.800 footage was extremely grainy, and even if they did have 2:00:58.000 --> 2:01:01.360 proof that it was a drug vote. Summary execution on 2:01:01.480 --> 2:01:04.960 the High C's is not exactly in line with international though, 2:01:05.360 --> 2:01:09.080 right right. If these are quote unquote violent drug traffickers 2:01:09.200 --> 2:01:13.400 who are killing people and do not these ridiculous things, 2:01:13.920 --> 2:01:16.160 you're supposed to bring them in. You're supposed to interrogate them, 2:01:16.240 --> 2:01:18.720 You're supposed to go through a certain procedure. 2:01:19.160 --> 2:01:22.760 Right Yeah. All the smoking mirrors about. 2:01:22.520 --> 2:01:25.360 Drugs and fighting drugs and all these different things, it 2:01:25.480 --> 2:01:30.200 really is that smoking mirrors, because if it was about that, 2:01:30.360 --> 2:01:33.400 they would be trying to get information to target the 2:01:33.520 --> 2:01:35.680 heart of the operation. What the US is doing right 2:01:35.720 --> 2:01:38.920 now is flexing, right, Yeah, it's flexing their muscles in 2:01:39.040 --> 2:01:41.680 the region to show what it is willing to do. 2:01:41.800 --> 2:01:46.000 It's trying to poke and prod Veniceuelda correspond in kind 2:01:46.480 --> 2:01:49.320 so that it has the excuse it needs or the 2:01:49.480 --> 2:01:54.800 further excuse to intervene. There was another strike, another boat 2:01:54.840 --> 2:01:58.400 bombing on the fifteenth of September, and there was another 2:01:58.480 --> 2:02:01.840 strike on the ninth teenth of September against another boat. 2:02:02.520 --> 2:02:08.720 And it's a very very worrying place to be and 2:02:08.920 --> 2:02:12.400 time to be alive, right, I would say, you know, 2:02:12.560 --> 2:02:15.400 we have Guyana as a player. You know, they're still 2:02:15.440 --> 2:02:18.280 working with US oil companies. They collaborate with the US. 2:02:18.360 --> 2:02:23.440 They have this territorial anxiety with regards to Venezuela, and 2:02:23.680 --> 2:02:25.840 they're part of Cara com Guhyana's part of Cara Coom 2:02:25.960 --> 2:02:28.640 trying to you know, work it out through that channel 2:02:28.840 --> 2:02:33.000 and through other channels. Venezuela, in response to Camera's energy, 2:02:33.320 --> 2:02:37.160 has basically put out steep bands talking about, hey, this 2:02:37.440 --> 2:02:40.080 Cama lady kind of crazy or show about that because 2:02:40.120 --> 2:02:43.760 if any US missile comes out to Trinidad, we are 2:02:43.840 --> 2:02:45.440 responding to Trinidad. 2:02:45.360 --> 2:02:48.120 Right in Trinidad is like not the same as the US, 2:02:48.360 --> 2:02:51.040 right like like that, it is not like mutually assured 2:02:51.080 --> 2:02:52.839 destruction exactly. 2:02:53.120 --> 2:02:56.760 So she is, you know, speaking very recklessly and in 2:02:56.840 --> 2:03:00.360 the meantime, the Venezuela's saying response, you know, if any 2:03:00.440 --> 2:03:04.920 sort of US incursion is launched out of Trinidad, which 2:03:05.320 --> 2:03:07.760 she invited, by the way, she said, a US CAD 2:03:07.800 --> 2:03:09.440 based whatever they want and here if they want to 2:03:09.520 --> 2:03:13.200 be a standing ready we right. I don't know where 2:03:13.280 --> 2:03:18.120 she got this WII from, but she's saying, oh, yeah, 2:03:18.160 --> 2:03:20.000 they could come and they could you know, launch stuff 2:03:20.000 --> 2:03:24.160 from here. And Venezuela's like, you're talking kind of crazy 2:03:24.280 --> 2:03:27.120 right now. You should care about your citizens because we 2:03:27.240 --> 2:03:29.440 know your citizens don't like what you're doing, So why 2:03:29.440 --> 2:03:32.320 are you doing this kind of thing? Yeah, And it's 2:03:32.360 --> 2:03:35.080 bigger than just when as we love the US and Trinidad, 2:03:35.200 --> 2:03:39.240 because Venezuela is also aligned with Russia. Right, it's I 2:03:39.320 --> 2:03:42.680 believe Russia's only ally in the Western hemisphere. 2:03:43.560 --> 2:03:43.720 Right. 2:03:44.320 --> 2:03:47.000 And while the drug issue and the crime issue is 2:03:47.440 --> 2:03:50.360 a significant concern, most of the drugs are coming from 2:03:50.440 --> 2:03:53.000 Colombia in the first place, which the US is not 2:03:53.120 --> 2:03:53.919 currently targeting. 2:03:54.920 --> 2:03:55.080 Right. 2:03:55.360 --> 2:03:57.839 And at the end of the day, as I mentioned earlier, 2:03:58.080 --> 2:04:01.560 it seems to be coming down to regime change and 2:04:02.280 --> 2:04:05.840 resources and the control of Venezuela's resources. You know, we 2:04:06.040 --> 2:04:10.080 are now in a situation where our fishermen are having 2:04:10.160 --> 2:04:13.400 to stay home out of fail Oh geez, that their 2:04:13.640 --> 2:04:17.160 fishing boats could be struck out of the water. 2:04:17.360 --> 2:04:17.560 Yeah. 2:04:17.640 --> 2:04:20.480 Yeah, you know, we are in a situation where Camera's 2:04:20.560 --> 2:04:24.200 fan base is just as trumpion and cultish as the 2:04:24.320 --> 2:04:28.080 Marca based seemingly seems to be perfectly fine with what's 2:04:28.120 --> 2:04:31.120 going on. Although in some ways I think that that 2:04:31.280 --> 2:04:37.240 might even be astroturfed or inflated artificially, because there was 2:04:37.320 --> 2:04:41.440 recently an expos that determined a lot of the pro 2:04:41.840 --> 2:04:45.160 unc which is Camera's party, the pro unc pro Kamela 2:04:46.120 --> 2:04:48.280 buzz that occurs on social media. 2:04:48.920 --> 2:04:51.080 It's bot driven, Like you go into these. 2:04:51.040 --> 2:04:54.560 Profiles and their bots just you know, fake names, fake 2:04:54.600 --> 2:04:57.120 profer pictures, AI posts. 2:04:56.880 --> 2:04:59.960 Oh geez, yeah, yeah, it's just entirely fabricated. 2:05:00.880 --> 2:05:02.760 This is also at a time when the US is 2:05:02.840 --> 2:05:08.200 building a massive embassy in our country, when cameras seemingly 2:05:08.280 --> 2:05:12.160 open in the floodgates to military collaboration with the US, 2:05:12.760 --> 2:05:15.720 where we are dealing with our own economic woles and 2:05:15.880 --> 2:05:19.160 crime wars and so on. And you know, we also 2:05:19.280 --> 2:05:21.720 have the largest Chinese embassy in the region, and we 2:05:21.800 --> 2:05:25.360 have a lot of collab with China. We may recently 2:05:25.400 --> 2:05:30.600 made moves to recognize Palestine with a Palestinian diplomat now 2:05:30.640 --> 2:05:35.000 reside in the country. It feels like we are putting 2:05:35.560 --> 2:05:40.760 ourselves in a very risky position, and whether or not 2:05:40.960 --> 2:05:42.960 we could have done more or less to get out 2:05:43.000 --> 2:05:46.160 of this position, you know, considering the US has its 2:05:46.240 --> 2:05:50.360 backyard policy with regard to the rest of the Americas, 2:05:51.080 --> 2:05:54.560 with regard to the fact that Trump has created this 2:05:54.680 --> 2:05:58.320 Department of War, that the US seems to be flailing 2:05:58.360 --> 2:06:01.960 around as a dieing empire. Does the fact that the 2:06:02.040 --> 2:06:04.880 Criminan has been called out so frequently with violence in 2:06:04.920 --> 2:06:07.760 an effort to manufacture consent for what seems to be 2:06:07.800 --> 2:06:10.200 coming next, With the fact that there was a field 2:06:10.240 --> 2:06:14.520 intervention to overthrow Maduro in the past, known as Operation Gideon, 2:06:14.920 --> 2:06:18.800 right back in twenty twenty, all this has me a 2:06:18.880 --> 2:06:19.440 but stressed. 2:06:19.880 --> 2:06:23.040 Yeah. I mean, there was a particularly insane attempt to 2:06:23.400 --> 2:06:26.960 throw Madeira in twenty twenty, right, the Silver Core thing. 2:06:27.600 --> 2:06:33.240 Yeah, yeah, they had this American security foom and some 2:06:33.520 --> 2:06:37.600 Venezuelan dissidents just they tried to inflam as I see, 2:06:38.040 --> 2:06:40.520 and basically as soon as they landed they got arrested. 2:06:40.720 --> 2:06:43.240 Yeah. Yeah, I think some of them got detained by 2:06:43.320 --> 2:06:48.400 Venezuelan fishermen who realized they only had BB guns. It 2:06:48.520 --> 2:06:53.080 sucks that, Like having spent time in Venezuela and with 2:06:53.280 --> 2:06:58.360 Venezuelan people a lot, you know, for years now, it's 2:06:58.480 --> 2:07:00.720 Venezuelan people who are going to pay price for all 2:07:00.760 --> 2:07:03.760 of this, right, Like it's not and potentially people in 2:07:03.800 --> 2:07:07.480 Trinidut of Tobago as well, Like they very clearly do 2:07:07.640 --> 2:07:12.760 not want Maduro to be running their country, right. I 2:07:12.880 --> 2:07:14.120 saw that in the election, and we saw that in 2:07:14.160 --> 2:07:18.440 the protests after election. They have every reason to want 2:07:18.480 --> 2:07:20.520 to leave the country and go somewhere safe, but that's 2:07:20.560 --> 2:07:21.640 not possible for many of them. 2:07:21.760 --> 2:07:23.160 Yeah, I mean, like I said, there's a lot of 2:07:23.240 --> 2:07:26.800 Venezuelan's intron at right now. Yeah, so any moves that 2:07:26.880 --> 2:07:28.840 advanced with us make, and they're obviously going to make 2:07:29.000 --> 2:07:31.120 with consideration to the fact that they have their own 2:07:31.160 --> 2:07:32.600 people internet as well. 2:07:32.880 --> 2:07:36.200 Yeah, exactly, And like they're being demonized even though they've 2:07:36.240 --> 2:07:39.920 done everything they can to separate themselves from Maduro and 2:07:40.040 --> 2:07:41.920 like they are being. 2:07:42.240 --> 2:07:44.720 Yeah, there's unfortunately a lot of enophobia in Trinidad. 2:07:45.280 --> 2:07:47.800 Yeah, it's really sad, like and we see it here too, Right, 2:07:48.000 --> 2:07:50.520 this allegation that they're all gang members, which is like, 2:07:50.600 --> 2:07:53.879 if we think that gang violence is bad in Venezuela 2:07:53.960 --> 2:07:56.920 and im parts of Venezuela is bad, then surely it 2:07:56.920 --> 2:07:58.680 would make sense to people who don't want any part 2:07:58.720 --> 2:08:03.080 in that might leave somewhere else. Yeah, and rather than 2:08:03.160 --> 2:08:07.400 supporting them, we're just we're just killing like the the 2:08:08.080 --> 2:08:11.800 lowest tier people, right, Like, even if we entertain the 2:08:11.920 --> 2:08:14.720 idea that the boat could have been carrying drugs, and 2:08:14.800 --> 2:08:16.920 when we put aside the fact that hasn't been proven 2:08:17.000 --> 2:08:20.320 of the boats plural the people driving the boats and 2:08:20.400 --> 2:08:23.840 other people like making the calls here, yeah, they're the 2:08:23.880 --> 2:08:24.560 people being. 2:08:24.480 --> 2:08:26.600 Killed, exactly exactly. 2:08:26.640 --> 2:08:29.720 It's the same principle with all these these these drug 2:08:29.840 --> 2:08:33.120 bus and and and gang bus that take place in Drainad. 2:08:33.440 --> 2:08:35.640 You know, they go and they roll in and they 2:08:36.440 --> 2:08:40.320 arrass these small fries, but the big bosses call them 2:08:40.360 --> 2:08:46.280 the shots unharmed. Yeah, you know, the multinational criminal empires 2:08:46.360 --> 2:08:48.880 that aren't moving the people and moving the drugs, moving 2:08:48.920 --> 2:08:51.879 the guns in the region, they're untouched. 2:08:52.280 --> 2:08:52.520 Yeah. 2:08:52.640 --> 2:08:56.880 And like even the Maduro's to nephews, like they were 2:08:56.920 --> 2:08:59.880 released after they were detained for trying to run drugs 2:09:00.040 --> 2:09:02.960 I hat right Like, like you say, the people making 2:09:03.440 --> 2:09:08.680 the real decisions are largely insulated from all this. It's 2:09:08.760 --> 2:09:13.560 working people in Venezuela who, like, they don't have other opportunities, right, Like, 2:09:13.640 --> 2:09:18.960 I have heard the most disheartening stories, especially for Venezuelan fishermen, right, Like, 2:09:19.240 --> 2:09:22.800 their economy is so bad that they are not able 2:09:22.880 --> 2:09:26.080 to put fuel in their boats. It wouldn't be economical 2:09:26.120 --> 2:09:29.480 to put fuel in their fishing boats, even if they 2:09:29.560 --> 2:09:31.320 caught a full load of fish. They wouldn't be able. 2:09:31.440 --> 2:09:33.840 No one has any money to buy the fish at 2:09:33.920 --> 2:09:36.720 a high price, so they can't pay for the fuel. 2:09:36.720 --> 2:09:38.520 And this is a country which sits on a massive 2:09:38.600 --> 2:09:42.160 oil reserve. But yeah, yeah, people can't afford to put 2:09:42.200 --> 2:09:45.280 fuel in their fishing boats. Like you know, these people 2:09:45.520 --> 2:09:48.640 are victims of a system that has left them with 2:09:48.800 --> 2:09:51.160 very few opportunities, and the way we're responding is by 2:09:51.240 --> 2:09:53.760 killing them and by destabilizing a whole part of the 2:09:53.840 --> 2:09:56.960 world that no one asks for this there, you know, 2:09:57.400 --> 2:09:58.920 apart from apparently your Prime minister. 2:10:01.040 --> 2:10:05.760 Yeah, so, I mean, this was a very rambly episode, 2:10:05.960 --> 2:10:09.280 more ambley than my usual, but I just wanted to 2:10:09.320 --> 2:10:11.640 get the word out on what's going on in my 2:10:11.760 --> 2:10:14.520 corner of the globe. To let the Americans and dance 2:10:14.560 --> 2:10:17.680 know to you know, please do what you can to 2:10:18.240 --> 2:10:23.760 stand to speak out against this American intervention. Educate yourself 2:10:23.760 --> 2:10:26.480 from what's going on. For trainees who may be in 2:10:26.560 --> 2:10:30.600 the audience, you know, probably hunkered down and have a 2:10:31.840 --> 2:10:35.520 crisis bag or emergency bag set up if worst comes 2:10:35.560 --> 2:10:39.400 to worst, and everyone else, really just get the knowledge 2:10:39.440 --> 2:10:42.480 and do what you can in your area to disrupt 2:10:42.520 --> 2:10:43.080 this machine. 2:10:43.680 --> 2:10:47.200 Yeah, yeah, that's it for me. All power to all 2:10:47.240 --> 2:10:47.640 the people. 2:10:48.400 --> 2:11:08.600 Please, this is it could happen here. 2:11:08.680 --> 2:11:11.960 Executive Disorder our weekly newscast covering what's happening in the 2:11:12.000 --> 2:11:14.120 White House, the crumbling world what it means for you. 2:11:14.560 --> 2:11:17.480 I'm Garrison Davis. Today I'm joined by Miawong Jamestown and 2:11:17.680 --> 2:11:20.880 Robert Evans. This week we're covering the week of September 2:11:21.040 --> 2:11:23.480 eighteen to September twenty four. 2:11:24.120 --> 2:11:27.000 Luckily, nothink that remarkable has happened as a bit short. 2:11:26.840 --> 2:11:31.280 One another famously slow newsweek in the United States of 2:11:31.320 --> 2:11:34.520 America and abroad. Only the most stable out of all 2:11:34.640 --> 2:11:35.839 democratic countries. 2:11:36.120 --> 2:11:39.680 Yeah oh yeah, I mean of the democracies were easily 2:11:39.840 --> 2:11:42.920 the most democratic. 2:11:43.200 --> 2:11:45.920 Shining city on a hill. It's all saying that's right, 2:11:46.080 --> 2:11:50.080 that's right, elevated. Yeah, so let's talk about this guy 2:11:50.240 --> 2:11:53.200 who opened fire and ice detention facility to start off with. 2:11:53.320 --> 2:11:55.800 Then sure, that's the big news story today is that 2:11:55.920 --> 2:11:58.400 there's been a shooting at an ICE facility in Dallas. 2:11:58.560 --> 2:12:00.960 This is not the first shooting at a North Texas 2:12:01.040 --> 2:12:05.760 ice facility this year. Two detainees were killed and one injured. 2:12:06.160 --> 2:12:09.080 Last I saw, they were in an ice van. It 2:12:09.160 --> 2:12:13.040 looks like and the shooter killed themselves pretty quickly. It 2:12:13.160 --> 2:12:16.160 seems like, yeah, like fired a few rounds and then 2:12:16.280 --> 2:12:16.960 killed themselves. 2:12:17.200 --> 2:12:17.360 Yeah. 2:12:18.000 --> 2:12:20.560 Cash Hotel, who's the director to the FBI, shared pretty 2:12:20.600 --> 2:12:23.560 quickly after shooting on x dot com the Everything website 2:12:23.920 --> 2:12:26.400 a photo of a strip eclip of what looks a 2:12:26.400 --> 2:12:30.480 lot like ain't milimeter Mauser ammunition. One round had the 2:12:30.560 --> 2:12:34.280 wood anti ice written on it in blue pen in 2:12:34.440 --> 2:12:35.560 block capital letters. 2:12:36.080 --> 2:12:42.080 Yeah lazy, we can agree on that, like, especially compared 2:12:42.120 --> 2:12:46.120 to etching them onto a bullet. This has been I 2:12:46.240 --> 2:12:50.440 think immediately adopted by God. I mean, it seems like 2:12:50.840 --> 2:12:53.800 I haven't done a deep survey, but most of the 2:12:53.880 --> 2:12:58.360 liberals and leftists that I follow on both Twitter and 2:12:58.600 --> 2:13:02.480 Blue Sky, and on just looking at friends on Facebook. 2:13:02.680 --> 2:13:05.800 They have pretty immediately gone after this as a false 2:13:05.880 --> 2:13:06.640 flag or something. 2:13:06.800 --> 2:13:09.880 Liberals and left us casting doubt on the authenticity of this. 2:13:11.240 --> 2:13:13.520 I'm seeing both people be like, well, the shooter must 2:13:13.560 --> 2:13:16.080 have been a right winger who lazily put anti ice 2:13:16.120 --> 2:13:17.960 on the bullet or this is some sort of federal 2:13:18.000 --> 2:13:20.480 conspiracy but a lot of conspiracism here. 2:13:21.040 --> 2:13:24.400 Yeah, we simply don't know very much about the shooting 2:13:24.520 --> 2:13:28.880 at this point. It's unclear who the shooter was aiming for. 2:13:29.000 --> 2:13:31.360 If they were just aiming at Ice property right like 2:13:31.600 --> 2:13:35.360 unknowingly shooting like migrant detainees inside. 2:13:35.400 --> 2:13:37.280 Did they think whoever was an advan was a cop? 2:13:38.080 --> 2:13:38.280 Yeah? 2:13:38.880 --> 2:13:42.400 Yeah, most of this lines up with the person being 2:13:42.720 --> 2:13:44.960 the sort of person who ends up being a high 2:13:45.000 --> 2:13:49.160 profile shooter, right Like. They're not so much an ideologically 2:13:49.280 --> 2:13:52.920 motivated person. It's someone who, like you say, pretty low effort, 2:13:52.960 --> 2:13:55.360 wrote anti ice on their bullets at the last minute 2:13:55.360 --> 2:13:57.320 of not on the bullet but on the casing that 2:13:57.440 --> 2:14:00.040 holds the fucking powder that the bullet goes in. I 2:14:00.040 --> 2:14:01.440 can understand how that works. 2:14:01.920 --> 2:14:04.560 And this just fits. This is something I tried to 2:14:04.640 --> 2:14:10.680 talk about pretty regularly, shootings in the United States are 2:14:10.760 --> 2:14:14.280 heavily driven by mimetic spread. 2:14:14.600 --> 2:14:14.760 Right. 2:14:14.920 --> 2:14:16.920 This has been happening since Columbine. There have been more 2:14:16.960 --> 2:14:20.640 than one hundred copycat shootings of Columbine. And you do 2:14:20.840 --> 2:14:23.400 have shooters who are let's say original, right, like the 2:14:23.480 --> 2:14:26.120 christ Church shooter, where they have new ideas for things 2:14:26.160 --> 2:14:28.760 to do in mass shootings, and then in the wake 2:14:28.840 --> 2:14:32.320 of those, because whenever someone does something really new, it 2:14:32.440 --> 2:14:35.520 gets a lot of attention, right, Like, if there's a 2:14:36.040 --> 2:14:39.200 mass shooting that like gets a lot more media coverage 2:14:39.240 --> 2:14:41.880 than other ones, there will be people who copy it 2:14:41.960 --> 2:14:45.480 and who copy specific aspects of that shooting. And what 2:14:45.560 --> 2:14:48.120 I'm seeing with this guy that kind of just fits 2:14:48.160 --> 2:14:50.560 into that pattern is you had a really high profile 2:14:50.600 --> 2:14:52.760 North Texas shooting at a nice facility. Then you had 2:14:52.760 --> 2:14:55.360 a really high profile shooting where somebody with a hunting 2:14:55.480 --> 2:14:59.680 rifle shot at targets from the top of a roof. Right, 2:15:00.120 --> 2:15:02.360 I'm seeing both of those things in this shooting, and 2:15:02.480 --> 2:15:06.160 I guess it's just like, yeah, that kind of scans 2:15:06.200 --> 2:15:06.920 to me, you know. 2:15:07.560 --> 2:15:10.760 Yeah, I guess another thing that has been fueling this 2:15:10.880 --> 2:15:15.880 conspiracy zerm so the guy used a Mauser rifle, different 2:15:15.960 --> 2:15:18.200 type of Mauser rifle to the last one. It looks 2:15:18.240 --> 2:15:20.480 to me like a Con ninety eight. 2:15:20.720 --> 2:15:20.920 Yeah. 2:15:21.120 --> 2:15:23.080 The previous one was a very old Mauser that had 2:15:23.120 --> 2:15:25.240 been rebarreled the thirty eight to six, which is a 2:15:25.360 --> 2:15:28.400 very common American round. This one looks to have been 2:15:28.440 --> 2:15:30.880 an original Car ninety eight K that was still an 2:15:30.960 --> 2:15:33.560 eight millimeter Mauser, which was the gun the Nazi that 2:15:33.680 --> 2:15:35.880 was the standard battle rifle of the Wehrmacht during World 2:15:35.920 --> 2:15:38.800 War Two. It's not weird he would have access to that. 2:15:38.880 --> 2:15:40.880 He probably didn't have to buy it or passed a 2:15:40.920 --> 2:15:43.800 background check to get it. Looking at Garrison found his 2:15:43.960 --> 2:15:47.360 mother's Facebook. They'll talk some more about that, but one 2:15:47.400 --> 2:15:48.840 of the things that was on there is her talking 2:15:48.840 --> 2:15:50.960 about how she recently had to clean out like a 2:15:51.040 --> 2:15:54.560 barn and a farm that her grandfather and dad had 2:15:54.600 --> 2:15:56.360 owned and get rid of a lot of their stuff. 2:15:57.120 --> 2:15:59.040 It kind of makes sense to me. One of them 2:15:59.280 --> 2:16:01.080 very likely was the veteran could have brought back a 2:16:01.120 --> 2:16:04.040 Car ninety eight K, as hundreds of thousands of gis did, yeah, 2:16:04.080 --> 2:16:06.040 from the war, and it would have just gotten passed 2:16:06.080 --> 2:16:08.120 down under the family right, not weird. 2:16:08.320 --> 2:16:10.280 Yeah, no way at all. Like you say, there are 2:16:10.280 --> 2:16:12.680 probably hundreds of thousands of these in the United States. 2:16:13.000 --> 2:16:15.720 It was very common. And again that's more or less 2:16:15.760 --> 2:16:19.160 probably what happened with the Charlie kirkshooter. Why they had 2:16:19.760 --> 2:16:22.320 a mouser, right, Yeah, because it was their grandpa's rifle. 2:16:22.440 --> 2:16:24.640 Probably had it re rebarreled or whatever. 2:16:24.800 --> 2:16:29.080 You know. Yeah, not uncommon at all someone in especially 2:16:29.080 --> 2:16:31.160 somewhere like Texas where you know, those rifles even if 2:16:31.200 --> 2:16:32.800 you didn't bring them back from World War One, like 2:16:33.280 --> 2:16:36.039 could have been obtained by private party transfer any time 2:16:36.120 --> 2:16:39.360 in the last seventy five years. So he'd been placed 2:16:39.360 --> 2:16:44.040 on probation for twenty sixteen marijuana offense, for which he 2:16:44.280 --> 2:16:49.240 pled guilty and received deferred adjudication. I guess in Texas 2:16:49.320 --> 2:16:51.880 it's considered dealing marijuana, But it just seems to be 2:16:52.040 --> 2:16:55.119 that he was in possession of an amount greater than 2:16:55.680 --> 2:16:59.600 a quarter ounce but less than five pounds. Maybe that's 2:16:59.920 --> 2:17:01.920 not that familiar with Texas law in that regard, but 2:17:03.040 --> 2:17:05.640 that is a thing that we found out about him. 2:17:06.200 --> 2:17:07.680 I'll just add that, Like, I don't know if that 2:17:07.720 --> 2:17:10.440 effects his ability to obtain a new firearm by doing 2:17:10.480 --> 2:17:11.720 a forty four to seventy three. 2:17:12.120 --> 2:17:14.920 It's it's unclear, but it wouldn't. It doesn't matter in 2:17:15.080 --> 2:17:17.600 Texas because again, you can just meet a guy in 2:17:17.640 --> 2:17:18.920 a parking lot and buy. 2:17:18.800 --> 2:17:21.680 A gun exactly. Yeah, it's not relevant as I. 2:17:21.760 --> 2:17:24.320 Did when I lived in Texas almost every month. 2:17:27.720 --> 2:17:30.680 Would be great today of Texas. Yeah, see, it's easy 2:17:30.720 --> 2:17:31.560 to get a gun in Texas. 2:17:31.680 --> 2:17:33.000 How did he get the gun? It could have he 2:17:33.040 --> 2:17:35.280 could have gotten it by accident. He could have traded 2:17:35.320 --> 2:17:38.760 groceries for it, like you just don't know, but there's 2:17:38.840 --> 2:17:42.400 there's no barriers to him owning this. Yeah, we still 2:17:42.440 --> 2:17:44.800 don't know very much about this guy outside of his 2:17:44.920 --> 2:17:47.640 like public arrest record. I have like a LinkedIn that 2:17:47.760 --> 2:17:50.720 hasn't been updated in a few years. Yeah, he voted 2:17:50.760 --> 2:17:54.400 in the twenty twenty Democratic primary. We know that from 2:17:54.800 --> 2:17:58.440 Texas voting records. His mom's Facebook has a few political sentiments, 2:17:58.480 --> 2:18:01.879 but not expressed very commonly. She's posted a few times 2:18:01.879 --> 2:18:06.320 about Greg Abbot's pro gun stances. Yeah, she was definitely 2:18:06.440 --> 2:18:08.720 like anti NRA, anti. 2:18:08.440 --> 2:18:13.960 Abbot, anti NRA, upset about Abbot and a Senator Korn 2:18:14.600 --> 2:18:18.039 and Cruise not taking action for gun control. 2:18:18.800 --> 2:18:23.960 Damp. Yeah, this isn't the sort of gun that would 2:18:24.000 --> 2:18:28.560 ever be impacted by now proposed gun control legislation, right, Like, 2:18:28.680 --> 2:18:31.400 this is kind of central to the gun that people 2:18:31.480 --> 2:18:34.400 generally fail is reasonable to people to own. 2:18:34.800 --> 2:18:37.400 Yes, assuming that it was something that he inherited from 2:18:37.400 --> 2:18:41.000 a grandfather, a great grandfather. Even like gun control bills 2:18:41.040 --> 2:18:44.279 that are looking at stopping face to face sales wouldn't 2:18:44.320 --> 2:18:46.920 stop this because the dims always tend to include an 2:18:46.920 --> 2:18:49.440 exception for like, yeah, inheriting your dad's hunting rifle or 2:18:49.480 --> 2:18:49.920 something like that. 2:18:50.200 --> 2:18:54.720 Right, Yeah, On an old Google Plus profile that's cashed deep, 2:18:55.160 --> 2:19:01.720 his profile picture is like a Soviet communist caricature. But again, 2:19:01.800 --> 2:19:05.560 that is no indication of a recent political alignment. We 2:19:05.640 --> 2:19:08.640 still don't have a detailed look at this guy's politics. 2:19:09.440 --> 2:19:12.080 But people have been quick to call this a false 2:19:12.120 --> 2:19:16.320 flag when I think this appears more like in the 2:19:16.400 --> 2:19:19.840 manifestation of this reality brain rottedness that we've talked about 2:19:20.320 --> 2:19:23.600 vis a vis the years of lead paint, like brain 2:19:23.720 --> 2:19:27.720 rot inspires like ill thought or logical actions that maybe 2:19:28.240 --> 2:19:31.520 appear akin to a half baked false flag. But this 2:19:31.640 --> 2:19:33.920 is like just a result of this weaponized on reality 2:19:34.200 --> 2:19:37.440 fiction inspires reality, and then reality is seen through the 2:19:37.560 --> 2:19:41.160 lens of fiction, so people project onto the state this 2:19:41.440 --> 2:19:45.880 like nineteen fifty Cia staging world events. Thing, like everything's 2:19:45.879 --> 2:19:47.600 become so like Eddington pilled. 2:19:48.120 --> 2:19:50.039 Yeah, I remember there was there was a really big 2:19:50.080 --> 2:19:52.800 example of this someone I forget exactly what it was, 2:19:53.040 --> 2:19:59.000 like someone like graffitied like Chuck Schumer's garage or something, 2:19:59.400 --> 2:20:01.960 and everyone that I knew was confessed it was a 2:20:02.000 --> 2:20:04.760 false flag, like if all over Twitter's Olver Blues, everyone 2:20:04.800 --> 2:20:06.080 thought it was a false flag. And it's just like 2:20:06.640 --> 2:20:11.040 all of that has just accelerated alongside this process that 2:20:11.080 --> 2:20:14.080 you'reson you're describing, where you have the unreality tunnel of 2:20:14.160 --> 2:20:15.440 all this is a false flag. Then you have the 2:20:15.480 --> 2:20:17.880 other unreality tunnels that are like generating these people, and 2:20:17.879 --> 2:20:20.160 they're just sort of like, yeah, flowing parallel to each other, 2:20:20.280 --> 2:20:21.640 nashing into each other. Yeah. 2:20:22.720 --> 2:20:24.760 No, Like people are so quick just to point the 2:20:24.800 --> 2:20:27.959 Black's rule image, to discount every single thing that might 2:20:28.680 --> 2:20:32.320 confuse you at first glance, Like if you cannot understand 2:20:32.440 --> 2:20:35.400 that someone who is suicidal would do a crazy thing 2:20:35.520 --> 2:20:39.360 like this inspired by recent events and scribble something onto 2:20:39.480 --> 2:20:43.640 a bullet trying to shoot at ICE equipment or ICE 2:20:44.080 --> 2:20:49.840 agents ice property inadvertently killing actual ICE detainees. If you 2:20:50.000 --> 2:20:51.560 have no way to understand that as a premise, and 2:20:51.640 --> 2:20:53.360 the only way that you can see something like this 2:20:53.440 --> 2:20:55.760 is happening is like a beat cop walking up to 2:20:55.840 --> 2:20:58.040 the crime scene realizing he has to alter it to 2:20:58.120 --> 2:21:01.199 fit an agenda. Like that is a way more disjointed 2:21:01.240 --> 2:21:04.120 and like broken reality to like force yourself to believe 2:21:04.400 --> 2:21:07.279 than just take the facts as they come and evaluate 2:21:07.360 --> 2:21:10.080 them slowly without jumping to a very quick assumption that 2:21:10.160 --> 2:21:13.600 satisfies your like emotional reaction to a tragic event like 2:21:13.680 --> 2:21:18.480 this where multiple people have died. With Trump in power again, 2:21:18.560 --> 2:21:22.640 I think it's entirely possible that oppositional political violence will 2:21:22.680 --> 2:21:27.039 take a form that resembles quote unquote left wing attacks 2:21:27.560 --> 2:21:32.200 increasingly through the next few years. It's not twenty eighteen anymore. 2:21:32.840 --> 2:21:35.800 Calling this guy a leftist right now doesn't make any sense. 2:21:35.840 --> 2:21:38.400 We don't have a clear look at his politics or 2:21:38.480 --> 2:21:42.600 if he really even had serious politics. But there are 2:21:42.680 --> 2:21:46.920 a lot of like seemingly normal people who are depressed, demoralized, 2:21:47.040 --> 2:21:50.960 or angry and might not write a stupid twitter brained 2:21:51.080 --> 2:21:55.200 manifesto and scribbling anti ICE gets a point across, whether 2:21:55.280 --> 2:21:59.640 that's sincere or some kind of ironic ship post if 2:22:00.120 --> 2:22:03.760 the ICE sounds weird in comparison to fuck ice or 2:22:03.800 --> 2:22:06.600 abolish Ice. Again, not everyone is part of like the 2:22:06.760 --> 2:22:11.360 leftist twitter brained terminology circle. It seems like he wasn't 2:22:11.440 --> 2:22:15.520 really thinking things through intently anyway, as is common with 2:22:15.640 --> 2:22:19.640 these like quick copycat style attacks and attacks like this 2:22:19.760 --> 2:22:24.080 are also sometimes just harshly driven by suicide wanting to 2:22:24.560 --> 2:22:28.720 do something as a part of the suicidal act, And like, 2:22:28.840 --> 2:22:32.080 who knows what this shooter was aiming for or what 2:22:32.320 --> 2:22:34.840 they thought they were aiming for. We do not have 2:22:35.080 --> 2:22:37.039 enough information yet, And. 2:22:37.200 --> 2:22:41.400 It's worth noting NBC has interviewed his brother. Kind of 2:22:41.480 --> 2:22:44.080 sounds like from the text of the NBC article like 2:22:44.200 --> 2:22:47.520 they broke the news to him, which is oof, that's 2:22:47.560 --> 2:22:51.240 fucked up, not great. Yeah, but he said the last 2:22:51.240 --> 2:22:53.240 time he'd seen his brothers two weeks ago, he was 2:22:53.320 --> 2:22:56.520 not particularly political. He had never mentioned anything about ICE. 2:22:56.600 --> 2:22:58.520 As far as his brother knew, he had no hatred 2:22:58.879 --> 2:23:02.160 or particular feelings Ice either way. He was registered as 2:23:02.200 --> 2:23:05.120 political independent. His brother said that his parents had a 2:23:05.240 --> 2:23:07.440 rifle and that he knew that his brother knew how 2:23:07.480 --> 2:23:09.920 to shoot it, but that he didn't think he knew 2:23:09.920 --> 2:23:12.160 how to make a shot like that. I don't think 2:23:12.200 --> 2:23:14.480 he knew anything about the quality of shot. And it 2:23:14.520 --> 2:23:16.400 doesn't sound like he did anything but shoot into a 2:23:16.480 --> 2:23:20.720 van and then kill himself. So he was recently unemployed 2:23:20.760 --> 2:23:23.760 and was looking to move to his parents' land in Oklahoma, 2:23:24.240 --> 2:23:27.520 but he was raised in Allan. The whole unemployed didn't 2:23:27.520 --> 2:23:29.160 sound like he felt like he had a lot of 2:23:29.560 --> 2:23:33.240 maybe opportunity going forward. His life was not going great, 2:23:33.560 --> 2:23:37.800 like I don't know, like I'm not having trouble seeing 2:23:37.959 --> 2:23:39.520 this all add up now. 2:23:39.640 --> 2:23:42.640 I mean, the people who do some crazy hit like 2:23:42.720 --> 2:23:46.440 this often have a suicidal impulse running through an action 2:23:46.600 --> 2:23:49.240 like this, and sometimes his manifests were something akin to 2:23:49.360 --> 2:23:51.000 like you know, this is like a bad term, but 2:23:51.080 --> 2:23:54.320 like suicide by cop right, and like similar to what 2:23:54.440 --> 2:23:57.160 Roberts said about like mimetic and like copycat shootings. You 2:23:57.240 --> 2:23:59.480 can see some of what's on display here in the 2:23:59.560 --> 2:24:04.160 lineage of Luigi Mangioni allegedly writing denying to pose on 2:24:04.360 --> 2:24:08.440 bullets than the Charlie kirkshooting with stuff for non bullets. Yeah, 2:24:08.520 --> 2:24:10.320 but this is something that's not like in our Zeitgei. 2:24:10.360 --> 2:24:12.199 So it doesn't require you to be like an online 2:24:12.240 --> 2:24:15.359 communist to do something like this, nor is it relegated 2:24:15.480 --> 2:24:19.680 to a cop trying to manufacture a fake narrative to 2:24:19.760 --> 2:24:23.960 cover up a murder of immigrants to frame it in 2:24:24.080 --> 2:24:28.000 this left wing violence spike that the right is currently 2:24:28.400 --> 2:24:29.080 really running with. 2:24:29.600 --> 2:24:32.720 Yeah, look, folks, if you are convinced that this is 2:24:32.760 --> 2:24:35.600 a conspiracy, I really doubt much that we say is 2:24:35.680 --> 2:24:39.760 going to convince you. Otherwise. It's kind of a I 2:24:39.800 --> 2:24:41.760 don't want to go on too bleak of a rantier, 2:24:41.920 --> 2:24:44.840 but like I almost feel like there's not really a 2:24:44.959 --> 2:24:48.720 point in trying to stand up for basic reality anymore, 2:24:48.760 --> 2:24:52.560 because number one, people are increasingly going to dig into 2:24:52.600 --> 2:24:55.360 the reality tunnel that's most comforting to them, and that's 2:24:55.400 --> 2:24:57.680 going to be the one where, like they don't have 2:24:57.879 --> 2:25:00.360 to deal with the complexities of the world. That like, 2:25:00.520 --> 2:25:04.360 some people who on paper have espoused beliefs that are 2:25:04.600 --> 2:25:07.760 similar to you will also do fucked up shit right 2:25:08.440 --> 2:25:11.640 like that, that's just America. That's living in a country 2:25:11.640 --> 2:25:13.720 with four hundred million guns. That's living in a country 2:25:13.760 --> 2:25:17.720 where mass shootings go viral and where people act based 2:25:17.760 --> 2:25:20.760 off the virality of shootings that they watch or see 2:25:20.920 --> 2:25:24.720 or hear about. Yeah, and honestly, like, there's a part 2:25:24.760 --> 2:25:27.400 of me that feels like caring about the reality of 2:25:27.440 --> 2:25:30.200 the situation is almost a vanity project that like, it 2:25:30.240 --> 2:25:32.680 doesn't win you anything. Yeah, it doesn't get you anywhere, 2:25:33.040 --> 2:25:36.160 it doesn't help you make the world better. Maybe just 2:25:36.800 --> 2:25:39.600 embracing a fall Like the right has gotten very far 2:25:39.760 --> 2:25:43.600 in embracing completely fraudulent realities, So why do I even care? 2:25:43.840 --> 2:25:45.400 I mean, this is something I've talked about with like 2:25:45.440 --> 2:25:48.640 the flattening of tactics, with the right adopting state sponsored 2:25:48.720 --> 2:25:51.880 cancel culture and the left getting more conspiratorial in like 2:25:52.000 --> 2:25:55.440 replies to tweet some Blue Sky posts talking about how 2:25:55.600 --> 2:25:58.240 you know, the bulleting markings have to be a false flag. 2:25:58.400 --> 2:26:02.600 I'm seeing people share memes like Pepe like psyop memes, 2:26:03.120 --> 2:26:05.080 but like like leftists and like like oh wow, yeah, 2:26:05.160 --> 2:26:08.400 liberals sharing these memes that you used to just see 2:26:08.520 --> 2:26:11.320 under like unhinged right wing accounts to talk about how 2:26:11.680 --> 2:26:13.760 big world events are all stage or the Feds are 2:26:13.800 --> 2:26:18.200 faking everything, and it's it's just this complete like swap 2:26:18.720 --> 2:26:21.880 more accurately a flattening of tactics, and yeah, like it. 2:26:22.080 --> 2:26:22.120 It. 2:26:22.800 --> 2:26:24.680 It sucks to be in a position where I'm trying 2:26:24.760 --> 2:26:27.280 to be like slow and methodical and how I evaluate 2:26:27.400 --> 2:26:30.959 things and not just jump to posting funny reaction images 2:26:31.040 --> 2:26:33.400 about how everything is a syop and how everything is 2:26:33.440 --> 2:26:34.000 a false. 2:26:33.800 --> 2:26:36.480 Flag lameo obvious psyop work done. 2:26:36.920 --> 2:26:41.160 Because that seems so much more emotionally compelling, and instead 2:26:41.200 --> 2:26:41.920 I'm just tired. 2:26:42.440 --> 2:26:45.760 Yeah, just tired all the time. Anyway, go on and 2:26:45.840 --> 2:26:48.640 believe whatever you want. Let's continue the episode, all right, 2:26:49.240 --> 2:26:51.120 Let's talk about Antifa when we come back. 2:26:51.240 --> 2:26:52.959 It comes from a mind control. 2:26:52.760 --> 2:26:53.080 Pond, this. 2:27:07.120 --> 2:27:10.920 Speaking of false flags and Tiffa Antifa. 2:27:11.120 --> 2:27:14.920 I hardly No, that doesn't Garrison, just continue. 2:27:15.879 --> 2:27:17.320 I don't have anything to say about that. 2:27:17.480 --> 2:27:19.880 All right, listen, folks, We're going to be doing what 2:27:20.040 --> 2:27:22.760 James is going to be doing with our collective lawyer 2:27:22.920 --> 2:27:27.520 Moira Meltzer Cohen, an episode on what this actually means legally, 2:27:27.680 --> 2:27:29.520 and we will be doing that with a lawyer who 2:27:29.600 --> 2:27:32.280 is competent to speak on that more than we are. Yeah, 2:27:32.520 --> 2:27:34.440 I guess kind of what we want to do briefly 2:27:34.520 --> 2:27:37.440 in this episode is try and pull people back from 2:27:37.640 --> 2:27:40.560 a ledge if you're feeling like you're on one right now, 2:27:41.200 --> 2:27:44.320 because it's bad. The current situation is bad. The administration 2:27:44.440 --> 2:27:47.039 is absolutely going after people on the left. They absolutely 2:27:47.080 --> 2:27:51.080 will be increasingly applying terrorism enhancements to charges for anything 2:27:51.120 --> 2:27:53.800 that can be deemed as politically motivated by the left. 2:27:54.440 --> 2:27:57.200 But this declaration, as people pointed out, it's not like 2:27:57.280 --> 2:28:00.600 a thing the president declaring something a domestic terrorist group. Like, 2:28:00.720 --> 2:28:03.280 it's not like none of this is anything that like 2:28:03.840 --> 2:28:06.199 has a legal force behind it, Which doesn't mean again 2:28:06.280 --> 2:28:08.720 that they're not going to continue to go after people, 2:28:09.000 --> 2:28:11.199 But this is stuff that started under the Biden administration, 2:28:11.280 --> 2:28:13.160 applying RICO charges and whatnot. 2:28:13.400 --> 2:28:15.600 This is stuff that goes back to the nineties, like 2:28:15.959 --> 2:28:20.279 right to scare, yeah right, yeah, with with environmental organizations. 2:28:20.520 --> 2:28:24.160 There is no real domestic terrorism designation. That's why they're 2:28:24.160 --> 2:28:26.600 trying to go after like funders and trying to find 2:28:26.720 --> 2:28:30.600 ties to like international groups to have that terrorism like 2:28:30.760 --> 2:28:34.640 label make more legal sense. But Trump did actually sign 2:28:34.720 --> 2:28:38.240 an executive order to quote unquote designate Antifa as a 2:28:38.320 --> 2:28:39.440 domestic terrorist organization. 2:28:40.240 --> 2:28:40.560 Quote. 2:28:40.800 --> 2:28:43.720 All relevant Executive Departments and agencies shall utilize all applicable 2:28:43.720 --> 2:28:47.960 authorities to investigate, disrupt, and dismantle any and all illegal operations, 2:28:48.080 --> 2:28:52.520 especially those involving terrorist actions conducted by Antifa or any 2:28:52.560 --> 2:28:55.400 person claiming to act on behalf of Antifa, or for 2:28:55.520 --> 2:28:58.440 which Antifa or any person claiming to act on behalf 2:28:58.440 --> 2:29:03.240 of Antifa provided materials support, including necessary investigatory and prosecutoral 2:29:03.320 --> 2:29:05.760 actions against those who fund such operations. 2:29:07.920 --> 2:29:11.480 I mean, like anything in the United States, if you're 2:29:11.520 --> 2:29:15.199 going to be prosecuted for a federal crime, the US 2:29:15.280 --> 2:29:17.640 Attorney has to bring a case against you, and there 2:29:17.680 --> 2:29:21.800 has to be a crime that you have committed. The 2:29:21.959 --> 2:29:27.039 executive branch does not make law, but legislative branch makes law. 2:29:27.200 --> 2:29:29.920 They try, and they tried a lot last time as well. 2:29:31.120 --> 2:29:33.280 I do want to remind everyone that right now we 2:29:33.400 --> 2:29:36.600 still have courts, and as we're seeing in Los Angeles 2:29:36.680 --> 2:29:40.480 and in other places, grand juries are not returning indictments. 2:29:41.040 --> 2:29:45.080 When the a USA brings a shoddy case or tries 2:29:45.120 --> 2:29:47.800 to proscute some of something that isn't a crime, that 2:29:48.320 --> 2:29:50.560 right now is the case. I'm not saying it will 2:29:50.640 --> 2:29:53.240 be forever. I'm saying that that's where we're at, and 2:29:53.400 --> 2:29:57.000 we can take a step back from the ledge if 2:29:57.040 --> 2:29:59.879 we know that I hope for people who are understandably 2:30:00.280 --> 2:30:00.840 very afraid. 2:30:01.640 --> 2:30:05.640 Yes, And I'm not saying don't be afraid because these 2:30:05.680 --> 2:30:09.760 are scary times. I'm just saying, like, don't assume that 2:30:10.280 --> 2:30:13.119 there's no point to fighting back, or there's no way 2:30:13.200 --> 2:30:15.040 to do so that you'll just like wind up in 2:30:15.120 --> 2:30:18.280 a fucking camp because people are going to court right 2:30:18.400 --> 2:30:22.560 now and winning yea, and those court cases have not 2:30:22.640 --> 2:30:25.880 been invalidated by the administration that they're not just taking 2:30:25.920 --> 2:30:29.680 people into custody anyway, Like people have repeatedly gotten off 2:30:29.840 --> 2:30:34.320 for charges of assaulting ice officers because they were bullshit charges, right, Yeah, 2:30:34.560 --> 2:30:36.880 So that's all I'm trying to say right now. 2:30:37.879 --> 2:30:40.280 Yeah, you know, in terms of what these people are 2:30:40.280 --> 2:30:42.680 actually worried about, I think if you read the executive order, 2:30:42.720 --> 2:30:46.400 you can see what they're scared of, right, you know, 2:30:46.520 --> 2:30:49.119 to do the mildly cringe and or a quote authority 2:30:49.240 --> 2:30:57.400 is Brital, oppression is the mask of fear God, to plade, 2:30:57.600 --> 2:31:01.960 stole is stealing my shit, pricks are holding hands, meme 2:31:02.560 --> 2:31:03.000 coating and. 2:31:03.160 --> 2:31:04.800 Or apparently is a big Star Wars guy. 2:31:05.400 --> 2:31:09.160 But if you look at like what's actually in there, right, Like, Okay, 2:31:09.200 --> 2:31:11.480 I mean, some of it's like obviously twenty twenty stuff, 2:31:11.480 --> 2:31:13.560 and then they're talking about like violent assaults on immigration 2:31:13.640 --> 2:31:17.960 and Customs enforcement and other law enforcement officials in routine dosing, 2:31:18.160 --> 2:31:20.279 and other threats against public figures and activists. 2:31:20.680 --> 2:31:20.720 Like. 2:31:21.040 --> 2:31:23.880 They are very worried about the fact that everywhere ICE 2:31:23.959 --> 2:31:26.880 appears a whole bunch of people, most of who are 2:31:27.040 --> 2:31:30.320 just like random people in sweatpants. I have seen so 2:31:30.400 --> 2:31:33.160 many pictures from every single city that there's like loscual 2:31:33.200 --> 2:31:35.120 ice deployments are there's just like people in sweatpants who 2:31:35.200 --> 2:31:36.720 just like walk out of their houses and start taking 2:31:36.760 --> 2:31:40.760 pictures of ICE agents. They are very much concerned about this, right, 2:31:41.120 --> 2:31:43.000 This is why they're trying to do this crackdown because 2:31:43.160 --> 2:31:47.240 the resistance to this stuff is actually working well enough. 2:31:47.360 --> 2:31:49.560 You know, it's not not that they haven't been able 2:31:49.600 --> 2:31:51.920 to do ICE raids, but it has degraded their capacity 2:31:52.000 --> 2:31:55.440 to do it significantly. And that's why they're rolling this 2:31:55.480 --> 2:31:57.800 shit out so that they can, you know, as an 2:31:57.840 --> 2:32:02.080 attempt to intimidate people and as attempt to like get 2:32:02.160 --> 2:32:04.760 people to stop doing the stuff that they've been doing, 2:32:04.840 --> 2:32:10.000 which has been like effective enough to really shift the 2:32:10.040 --> 2:32:11.600 way ICE has been forced to do these things. 2:32:11.840 --> 2:32:15.360 And yeah, yeah, Like if you go back to the 2:32:15.760 --> 2:32:18.280 like one of the first incidents of people like imposing 2:32:18.320 --> 2:32:21.000 an ice rad it was in South Park in San Diego. Right, 2:32:21.480 --> 2:32:24.760 These people are not like like organized members of Antifa. 2:32:24.920 --> 2:32:26.960 Like South Park is a pretty bougey place. It's like 2:32:27.520 --> 2:32:30.960 a vegan, small plates restaurant and cocktail place. There're people 2:32:31.000 --> 2:32:33.520 who are pissed that their neighbors are getting abducted. Yeah, 2:32:34.400 --> 2:32:36.400 they're just people who were there and were like, no, 2:32:36.520 --> 2:32:37.680 fuck you, this seems wrong. 2:32:38.160 --> 2:32:38.360 Yeah. 2:32:38.959 --> 2:32:40.720 Yeah, And again, like we talked about this last week, 2:32:40.800 --> 2:32:43.760 like this is happening in Wheaton, Like people in evangelical 2:32:43.879 --> 2:32:47.840 college towns are or seeing ice trucks roll up and 2:32:48.040 --> 2:32:51.720 like just walking over to them and yelling at them 2:32:51.800 --> 2:32:54.600 and filming them, and that sometimes is enough to make 2:32:54.640 --> 2:32:58.280 them just run away. And that's what this is. You know, 2:32:58.440 --> 2:33:01.480 they're terrified of the fact that they live in an 2:33:01.640 --> 2:33:04.480 entire country of people who don't like that you're dragging 2:33:04.480 --> 2:33:07.080 their neighbors away at gunpoint, and that's a sign to 2:33:07.640 --> 2:33:10.360 do more and not you know, sort of given to 2:33:10.440 --> 2:33:13.800 fear every time there's some executive order bullshit. 2:33:13.520 --> 2:33:19.400 That happens yep, talking about things where the regime has 2:33:19.480 --> 2:33:21.880 not been as successful as it wanted to. Right, Let's 2:33:21.879 --> 2:33:24.840 talk about the case of the Guatemalan children. We spoke 2:33:24.840 --> 2:33:28.160 about this on ED I think last week potentially the 2:33:28.200 --> 2:33:28.680 week before. 2:33:28.760 --> 2:33:28.880 Right. 2:33:28.959 --> 2:33:31.840 These were the kids who were grabbed from their beds 2:33:31.959 --> 2:33:34.760 of a labored eight weekend, and in that time Judge 2:33:34.760 --> 2:33:39.520 Sparkle Supernanan thesued an emergency protective order. But we've now 2:33:39.720 --> 2:33:42.480 seen a class action which would bring a more permanent 2:33:42.560 --> 2:33:47.440 protective order for these children. Judge Timothy Kelly, I'm going 2:33:47.520 --> 2:33:50.160 to quote him here. He was talking about the government's 2:33:50.200 --> 2:33:52.440 case and he said it had quote crumbled like a 2:33:52.640 --> 2:33:56.840 house of cards. This is in part because a whistleblower's 2:33:56.840 --> 2:34:00.200 account contradicted the government's claim, and this claim was made 2:34:00.240 --> 2:34:04.080 by Acting Director of the Office of Refugee Resettlement, Angi Salazar. 2:34:04.760 --> 2:34:06.879 Salazar said under oath that the children have VIEN screen 2:34:06.920 --> 2:34:09.200 to ensure they would not be subject to abuse on neglect. 2:34:09.720 --> 2:34:12.440 The whistlebows claimed that at least thirty of these children 2:34:12.560 --> 2:34:17.680 had been deemed ineligible for return because they have indicators 2:34:17.720 --> 2:34:22.280 of being victimized by child abusers before, so returning them 2:34:22.280 --> 2:34:24.880 would obviously return them to that situation of abuse or 2:34:24.920 --> 2:34:28.640 potentially do so. Right. The whistleblowers further stated that this 2:34:28.800 --> 2:34:32.359 was in an OORR database Office of Refugee Resettlement database 2:34:33.080 --> 2:34:36.240 and such that the acting director would have access to 2:34:36.320 --> 2:34:36.920 that information. 2:34:37.440 --> 2:34:37.560 Right. 2:34:38.400 --> 2:34:41.160 They printed a lot of other evidence to Judge Kelly, 2:34:41.280 --> 2:34:44.000 who granted protection to the children in the case, and 2:34:44.280 --> 2:34:48.040 to quote all un accompanied Guatemalan children who have received 2:34:48.120 --> 2:34:50.720 neither a final removal order nor permission from the Attorney 2:34:50.760 --> 2:34:54.600 General to voluntarily depart the United States. So, if you remember, 2:34:54.800 --> 2:34:57.480 the government had previously said that they were resettling these 2:34:57.560 --> 2:35:00.440 children and that the DHS had to do with it, 2:35:00.520 --> 2:35:03.520 that it was an Office of Refugee Resettlement operation, right, 2:35:03.720 --> 2:35:06.720 and that their families wanted them home and the families 2:35:06.760 --> 2:35:07.520 didn't want them home. 2:35:07.680 --> 2:35:07.800 Right. 2:35:08.240 --> 2:35:11.320 They dropped that claim later, So this is a whim right. 2:35:11.360 --> 2:35:13.360 They couldn't take these little children away in the night 2:35:13.800 --> 2:35:15.840 and spirit them off to somewhere where they would be 2:35:15.920 --> 2:35:21.040 in danger. Let's move on to Executive Order number two 2:35:21.640 --> 2:35:23.680 for this week's episode. This is the one that you 2:35:23.760 --> 2:35:26.600 probably heard less about than the Antifa one, But this 2:35:26.840 --> 2:35:32.400 is the quote unquote gold card executive order. Oh god, yeah, 2:35:33.040 --> 2:35:35.840 it's a gold card. Trump has been true thing about this, right, 2:35:35.920 --> 2:35:38.840 He truced about it in June. Also in June, Howard 2:35:38.920 --> 2:35:42.520 Lutnik announced that they were already seventy thousand people waiting 2:35:42.959 --> 2:35:46.320 for these gold cards. Applications could be made at Trump 2:35:46.440 --> 2:35:51.440 card dot Gov. That the original stated price was five million. 2:35:51.800 --> 2:35:55.400 The executive order signed this week slashed the cost to 2:35:55.800 --> 2:35:59.680 just one million US dollars one million, one million, and 2:35:59.720 --> 2:36:03.960 their dollars, and as our currency continues to crush it, 2:36:04.480 --> 2:36:06.800 that will only get more affordable for folks elsewhere in 2:36:06.840 --> 2:36:11.119 the world. So that's great, it's good. This is Trump's 2:36:11.480 --> 2:36:16.520 promise plan to sell permanent residency. Right when he first 2:36:16.560 --> 2:36:19.200 announced this, we kind of wondered, how's he going to 2:36:19.280 --> 2:36:22.160 do this statutorily? Right, How's he going to do it legally? 2:36:22.640 --> 2:36:24.920 When it turns out his plan is to consider the 2:36:25.040 --> 2:36:28.280 donation as evidence that the person is quote of exceptional 2:36:28.400 --> 2:36:32.040 business ability and that makes them eligible for an EB 2:36:32.200 --> 2:36:32.840 two visa. 2:36:33.240 --> 2:36:34.000 Oh my god. 2:36:34.360 --> 2:36:36.560 Yeah, so like you could you could have never engaged 2:36:36.600 --> 2:36:38.720 in business in your life, right, you could receive a 2:36:38.760 --> 2:36:40.800 small loan of one million dollars from your parents, sure, 2:36:41.360 --> 2:36:45.120 and that would allow you to get one of these. 2:36:45.160 --> 2:36:47.920 Now people will go through all the usual background checks, right, which, 2:36:48.520 --> 2:36:50.519 according to the EO, will be expedited. 2:36:50.600 --> 2:36:50.720 Right. 2:36:50.760 --> 2:36:53.600 You can't be like a Apple background bug Daddy. He's 2:36:53.640 --> 2:36:57.119 dead now, but you couldn't be him with a million dollars, 2:36:57.240 --> 2:36:59.440 right and do this. For example, I. 2:36:59.560 --> 2:37:02.240 Like the idea that Abubaka Albigdadi would like try to 2:37:02.440 --> 2:37:04.400 move to the US, but would put his real name 2:37:04.560 --> 2:37:06.400 and his application for. 2:37:08.320 --> 2:37:08.600 Coming. 2:37:09.360 --> 2:37:12.280 You gotta check for this. Yeah, but everyone's god damaged, 2:37:12.320 --> 2:37:15.000 unfortunate man. He shares that name with a bad guy. 2:37:14.959 --> 2:37:17.040 And there's like a fifty percent chance that it would 2:37:17.080 --> 2:37:18.880 have gotten approved that just like no one would have 2:37:19.040 --> 2:37:20.520 liked would have had his name. 2:37:21.200 --> 2:37:21.400 Yeah. 2:37:22.959 --> 2:37:26.080 Well look guys, the Khalif of Isis is like fucking 2:37:26.160 --> 2:37:27.160 living in Brooklyn. 2:37:27.560 --> 2:37:29.880 Oh yeah, he's going to all those founders meetings, you know, 2:37:30.000 --> 2:37:33.280 with other CEOs to discuss managing a large organization. 2:37:33.680 --> 2:37:35.160 I'm excited for his ted doc. 2:37:37.879 --> 2:37:40.560 He's put its address as a tunnel in a HGS 2:37:40.640 --> 2:37:45.760 controlled area of Syria. No, okay, So to be clearous 2:37:45.879 --> 2:37:48.840 is dead. It's killed in the first Trump administration. Yes, 2:37:49.360 --> 2:37:52.400 a corporation donating for an individual would pay two million, right, 2:37:52.480 --> 2:37:54.640 so it's more expensive if a corpse doing it on 2:37:54.720 --> 2:38:00.720 your behalf, and the cards will supposedly be old and 2:38:00.879 --> 2:38:03.920 have Donald Trump's face on them, which is nice. At 2:38:04.000 --> 2:38:07.959 the same time, the Trump administration added one hundred thousand 2:38:08.040 --> 2:38:11.720 dollar bill to the H one B visa application, so 2:38:12.040 --> 2:38:15.360 the visa application fee. The H one B, if you're 2:38:15.360 --> 2:38:19.200 not familiar, is an immigration scheme for skilled non immigrant labor. 2:38:19.760 --> 2:38:22.600 And particularly interested in this because this was one of 2:38:22.680 --> 2:38:26.720 the moments that the Trump Coalition began to fracture in 2:38:26.879 --> 2:38:29.720 the early days of the Trump administration, Like, we saw 2:38:29.840 --> 2:38:34.000 the kind of tech right as exemplified by Elon Musk, 2:38:34.840 --> 2:38:36.720 going like, no, H one B is a good they 2:38:36.760 --> 2:38:38.800 allow us. They allow them to bring people to this 2:38:38.879 --> 2:38:41.040 country and pay them not very much and take advantage 2:38:41.040 --> 2:38:42.680 of their skilled labor. It's what they allowed the tech 2:38:42.760 --> 2:38:45.240 industry to do, right, Sure. And then we saw the 2:38:45.400 --> 2:38:48.640 more straight up white nationalists right being like, but those 2:38:48.720 --> 2:38:51.280 people aren't white, we don't want them here. And it 2:38:51.400 --> 2:38:55.680 seems like it is that Cadra of the the Trump 2:38:55.800 --> 2:38:59.760 coalition that that part of his of his ideological sort 2:38:59.760 --> 2:39:02.320 of port base, which has won out in this instance. Right, 2:39:02.400 --> 2:39:06.880 because companies cannot save money paying someone twenty grand less 2:39:06.959 --> 2:39:08.680 if they have to pay one hundred ges to get 2:39:08.720 --> 2:39:12.440 them into the country, right, Like, individuals could make that donation, 2:39:12.520 --> 2:39:14.200 I guess, and get the visa that way, like if 2:39:14.320 --> 2:39:17.120 they came from wealthy family and in another country and 2:39:17.200 --> 2:39:19.039 want it just desperately wanted to work in the US. 2:39:19.200 --> 2:39:22.600 But generally h one vs are used because employees they 2:39:22.680 --> 2:39:23.520 can't leave. 2:39:23.680 --> 2:39:23.760 Right. 2:39:24.360 --> 2:39:27.080 Your visa is tied to your employer, so the employment 2:39:27.160 --> 2:39:29.720 can be much less favorable, especially in the tech industry 2:39:29.800 --> 2:39:32.640 where people are always shopping and changing jobs to try 2:39:32.680 --> 2:39:34.720 and get a better wage, better benefits, et cetera. They 2:39:34.760 --> 2:39:37.800 can't do that, and so that will be coming to 2:39:37.920 --> 2:39:41.800 an end. Finally, I want to talk about immigration judges, 2:39:41.920 --> 2:39:44.720 and the Trump administration has fired even more of them. 2:39:44.800 --> 2:39:48.080 According to NPR, when Trump came into office, they're about 2:39:48.120 --> 2:39:50.440 seven hundred and thirty five of these judges. There are 2:39:50.560 --> 2:39:52.640 now fewer than five hundred and eighty. 2:39:52.840 --> 2:39:54.039 Why, oh my god. 2:39:54.440 --> 2:39:56.920 Yeah, it's quite a remarkable cut. 2:39:57.040 --> 2:39:57.160 Right. 2:39:57.280 --> 2:39:59.200 Not all of them were fired. Some of them took 2:39:59.240 --> 2:40:02.080 advantage of the quote unquote fork in the road offer. 2:40:02.360 --> 2:40:05.720 If we remember like early early Trump two point zero 2:40:05.760 --> 2:40:09.240 do stuff in immigration judges just so people understand, Like 2:40:09.560 --> 2:40:11.400 people are like what they fire a judge, how can 2:40:11.400 --> 2:40:14.240 they do that? Immigration judges are not part of the 2:40:14.280 --> 2:40:18.040 independent judiciary. They are a better way of seeing them 2:40:18.080 --> 2:40:21.879 would be a civil servants. Nonetheless, they have in many cases, 2:40:21.920 --> 2:40:26.879 I guess, worked to bring the trappings and the procedures 2:40:27.280 --> 2:40:32.320 of due process to the immigration world. Right, Like in 2:40:32.440 --> 2:40:35.680 many cases they have you know, they're not just rubber 2:40:35.720 --> 2:40:38.320 stamping deportation orders. Right, people do have a chance to 2:40:38.400 --> 2:40:41.480 make their case in front of immigration judges. And even 2:40:42.040 --> 2:40:44.480 in Trump two point o, people are still getting asylum 2:40:44.520 --> 2:40:49.679 in the United States. The courts right now are extremely 2:40:49.800 --> 2:40:51.480 backed up. Right, people are getting here in dates in 2:40:51.520 --> 2:40:54.440 twenty twenty eight. As we heard earlier this week, some 2:40:54.680 --> 2:40:56.879 courts I read that one court is now running at 2:40:56.920 --> 2:41:01.400 twenty five percent of its capacity, have twenty one judges. 2:41:01.120 --> 2:41:02.320 And it has five yep. 2:41:03.240 --> 2:41:07.480 So this means that people will be in detention for longer. 2:41:07.640 --> 2:41:10.400 I mean that's like kind of intentional, right, Like. 2:41:11.440 --> 2:41:14.800 Well, one could make that case very Yeah. The DOJ 2:41:15.200 --> 2:41:19.199 has reduced requirements for staffing these positions, and the Trump 2:41:19.240 --> 2:41:23.760 administration has authorized about six hundred jags to military lawyers 2:41:24.160 --> 2:41:27.280 to take on the role. I don't think they're going 2:41:27.360 --> 2:41:30.320 to get the rubber stamp on deportations from those people 2:41:30.440 --> 2:41:30.800 that they. 2:41:30.800 --> 2:41:32.280 Expect to get. 2:41:32.720 --> 2:41:34.400 It depends on it if they sort of hand pick 2:41:34.480 --> 2:41:35.920 those jags or they just got a bunch of people 2:41:35.920 --> 2:41:38.160 from the National Guard. But sure, I don't think that 2:41:38.240 --> 2:41:40.400 that's going to be the just like straight up deportation 2:41:40.560 --> 2:41:42.519 factory that some people might assume. 2:41:42.240 --> 2:41:42.880 It to be. 2:41:43.800 --> 2:41:46.120 But nonetheless, right now what we have is five hundred 2:41:46.120 --> 2:41:49.400 and eighty judges, tens of thousands of people in detention, 2:41:49.760 --> 2:41:54.920 and detention numbers and detention over crowding growing every single day, 2:41:55.520 --> 2:42:00.680 So that is not good. Detention facilities are at the 2:42:00.720 --> 2:42:03.440 best of times, and conditions are pretty awful. For I 2:42:03.480 --> 2:42:06.080 think i've heard right now talking of things that are 2:42:06.160 --> 2:42:10.080 pretty awful. Here are some products and services. 2:42:23.480 --> 2:42:28.359 We're back and uh, next, I think we're talking about tariffs. 2:42:28.680 --> 2:42:30.760 Wait a second, do y'all hear that music? 2:42:31.400 --> 2:42:31.760 Sorry? 2:42:36.120 --> 2:42:38.280 Jazz right, jazz? 2:42:38.879 --> 2:42:45.800 Sorry, jazz right jazz. 2:42:47.920 --> 2:42:49.280 Wow, we haven't had the song for a while. That 2:42:49.440 --> 2:42:50.240 was nice, wasn't it. 2:42:50.400 --> 2:42:51.000 Yeah, that was good. 2:42:51.080 --> 2:42:52.480 That was good, just like old times. 2:42:52.600 --> 2:42:54.160 Bring it back, just like old times. 2:42:54.600 --> 2:42:57.760 Several months ago, Garrison has a star alarm clock, do 2:42:57.920 --> 2:42:58.480 you Garrison? 2:42:59.240 --> 2:42:59.280 No? 2:43:00.040 --> 2:43:03.160 Okay, okay, good. I think that would be that would 2:43:03.160 --> 2:43:05.480 be too much. That would be too much. I would 2:43:05.560 --> 2:43:07.040 I would need we would need to interview. 2:43:08.480 --> 2:43:11.039 Listen if you're listening and you do stop it all. 2:43:11.000 --> 2:43:12.720 Right, Mia? How our tariffs be? 2:43:12.879 --> 2:43:14.080 Do so? 2:43:14.879 --> 2:43:18.280 We have some tariff news. One is that we have 2:43:18.360 --> 2:43:21.640 a Supreme Court date for the case over whether a 2:43:21.640 --> 2:43:23.440 whole bunch of the tariffs are going to be allowed 2:43:23.480 --> 2:43:26.040 to continue or not. That is going to be on 2:43:26.120 --> 2:43:30.040 November fifth. We also have something no movement, which I 2:43:30.080 --> 2:43:33.800 think is pretty interesting. So when last we spoke of tariffs, 2:43:34.000 --> 2:43:36.440 we mentioned that there were two countries that had gotten 2:43:36.800 --> 2:43:43.800 political tariffs on them, Brazil for arresting Volsonnaro and prosecuting 2:43:43.920 --> 2:43:48.600 him and India for buying oil from Russia. And there 2:43:48.640 --> 2:43:50.280 was a lot of speculation that these would be fairly 2:43:50.360 --> 2:43:51.120 quickly resolved. 2:43:51.560 --> 2:43:52.240 They have not been. 2:43:52.440 --> 2:43:55.279 They are both still into effect. This is having massive 2:43:55.280 --> 2:44:00.280 consequences on a whole bunch of stuff. And the the 2:44:00.360 --> 2:44:02.080 place that I want to focus on with this is 2:44:02.200 --> 2:44:08.080 US agriculture because we have been seeing some extremely alarming 2:44:08.240 --> 2:44:12.240 things out of the American agricultural sector. That has really 2:44:12.560 --> 2:44:18.680 not broken out of like Midwest agriculture circles very much. 2:44:19.800 --> 2:44:19.840 So. 2:44:20.320 --> 2:44:23.520 One of the major consequences of in some sense also 2:44:23.600 --> 2:44:25.760 the tariffs on Brazili. One of the major consequences of 2:44:25.840 --> 2:44:28.840 the US tariffs on China is that, like China did 2:44:28.879 --> 2:44:33.160 in twenty eighteen, China has simply refused to buy any 2:44:33.200 --> 2:44:38.199 American soybeans. The US grows for export fifty two million 2:44:38.320 --> 2:44:41.280 tons of soy every year, and more than half of 2:44:41.360 --> 2:44:42.320 that is old to China. 2:44:42.640 --> 2:44:45.720 And again, if you're conspiratorial and belief that, like you know, 2:44:45.879 --> 2:44:49.360 the soy, the soy is ruining people, you shouldn't support this. 2:44:52.400 --> 2:44:54.040 Well no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you should. 2:44:54.040 --> 2:44:54.360 You should. 2:44:54.360 --> 2:44:56.080 You should be opposed to this because you should be 2:44:56.160 --> 2:44:59.240 wanting to export soy to China so that you can 2:44:59.320 --> 2:45:01.440 make you can the Chinese woke in soy. 2:45:01.840 --> 2:45:03.240 Yeah, that's what I was saying. 2:45:03.320 --> 2:45:06.480 Yes, oh, yeah, there do yeah, yeah, yeah, you should. 2:45:06.200 --> 2:45:08.440 Support the export of soy to China. We're getting it 2:45:08.480 --> 2:45:11.119 out of the US and to our greatest feel political enemy. 2:45:12.240 --> 2:45:14.280 And the other people who support the export of soy 2:45:14.600 --> 2:45:18.160 to China are American farmers. So god, I guess this 2:45:18.280 --> 2:45:19.920 is like This is like the farming thing that I 2:45:20.000 --> 2:45:23.039 say on this show. I did technically. There was technically 2:45:23.879 --> 2:45:27.080 a farm behind my house growing up. This is something 2:45:27.120 --> 2:45:29.520 that's very common in mid Western agriculture, is a soybean 2:45:29.600 --> 2:45:32.400 corn rotation. Doing a soybeing corn rotation is good for 2:45:32.440 --> 2:45:35.080 the soil, So it's very very common in American agriculture. 2:45:35.320 --> 2:45:38.960 Should you can fix nitrogen and soil with legumes. 2:45:38.920 --> 2:45:41.280 Yeah, but in order to do this you have to 2:45:41.320 --> 2:45:43.880 be able to sell the soybeans. And when this happened 2:45:43.879 --> 2:45:46.480 in twenty eighteen, this was kind of kind of behind 2:45:46.560 --> 2:45:48.360 the scenes, so that there was a whole big trade 2:45:48.360 --> 2:45:51.800 stand off in twenty eighteen, and one of the things 2:45:51.840 --> 2:45:54.200 that played a big role in ending it was the 2:45:54.320 --> 2:45:56.680 fact they trying to just didn't buy soybeans from the 2:45:56.760 --> 2:46:01.199 US for a year and it really, really, really messed 2:46:01.280 --> 2:46:04.320 with the American agricultural market. I'm going to read an 2:46:04.360 --> 2:46:07.320 account from the Progressive Farmer. This is a quote from Mackay. 2:46:08.000 --> 2:46:10.720 For most soybean farmers in North Dakota, you're looking at 2:46:10.720 --> 2:46:13.120 about one hundred to one hundred and fifty dollars loss 2:46:13.200 --> 2:46:16.920 per acre on every acre of soybeans planted. Grackle said 2:46:17.440 --> 2:46:20.440 on his own farm, he expects losses to top four 2:46:20.680 --> 2:46:24.880 hundred thousand dollars this year. Grackle said the losses are 2:46:24.959 --> 2:46:28.320 not just tied to individual farmers. It's the small businesses. 2:46:28.440 --> 2:46:31.880 Local grocery stores, hardware stores, are local schools or financial institutions. 2:46:31.920 --> 2:46:35.080 They're all feeling the hurt from this. Yeah, So what's 2:46:35.080 --> 2:46:36.840 happening right now is that there is a bunch of 2:46:36.920 --> 2:46:39.160 soybeans that are being that are just sitting there. 2:46:39.280 --> 2:46:41.160 Yeah, you know, like no one wants to buy them. 2:46:41.640 --> 2:46:44.240 And I've seen a few things talking about like okay, 2:46:44.240 --> 2:46:47.080 they're you know, there's processing plant opening up. We can 2:46:47.600 --> 2:46:51.720 turn them into soybean oil and use like in the 2:46:51.879 --> 2:46:55.560 US and do that. But like, this is becoming a 2:46:55.640 --> 2:47:00.160 really serious logistical problem because the thing about corn and 2:47:00.320 --> 2:47:02.560 soybeans is that it's not like you store them in 2:47:02.600 --> 2:47:04.520 different things, right, because if you're a farmer, you're growing 2:47:04.600 --> 2:47:07.040 both of them. The sort of storage hubs that they 2:47:07.120 --> 2:47:09.640 use are the same ones. And the problem is that 2:47:09.680 --> 2:47:11.920 there are basically stockpiles building up of these soybeans that 2:47:11.959 --> 2:47:14.879 can't be sold. And this is becoming an increasing problem 2:47:14.920 --> 2:47:18.240 because there's the corn harvest and you have to put 2:47:18.280 --> 2:47:21.120 the corn somewhere. It's a good example of the kind 2:47:21.200 --> 2:47:24.800 of middle miniature logistical nightmares that are cropping up all 2:47:24.920 --> 2:47:28.119 up and down the supply chains as these tariffs sort 2:47:28.120 --> 2:47:30.160 of continue to roll in, and as the instability of 2:47:30.200 --> 2:47:32.880 them getting needs to roll in that you and I 2:47:33.160 --> 2:47:35.640 aren't seen yet or we haven't seen much of the 2:47:35.720 --> 2:47:39.400 effectives other than some small price increases, but down the 2:47:39.440 --> 2:47:42.280 supply chain there are increasing parts of the population who 2:47:42.760 --> 2:47:46.160 are just dealing with these just horrific logistical nightmares. This 2:47:46.280 --> 2:47:48.600 is going to be We're going to see the acceleration 2:47:48.680 --> 2:47:53.600 of this with a deminimous exemption being eliminated, and in 2:47:53.680 --> 2:47:57.119 the meantime, China is just basically going to the country 2:47:57.160 --> 2:47:59.880 that the US lap fifty percent tariffs on there go 2:48:00.040 --> 2:48:03.800 going to Brazil and attempting to basically supply their entire 2:48:03.879 --> 2:48:06.560 soybean demand largely from Brazil, which is like the other 2:48:06.640 --> 2:48:10.680 major soybean exporter. So this is also very important politically 2:48:10.800 --> 2:48:15.360 because the American farming sector is very, very powerful. There 2:48:15.440 --> 2:48:19.360 have been some bailouts already, but they're not going to 2:48:19.400 --> 2:48:23.440 be able to sustain the American farming sector, especially if 2:48:23.480 --> 2:48:25.240 this goes on for more than one year only. There 2:48:25.320 --> 2:48:26.880 was only one year in twenty eighteen when they didn't 2:48:26.879 --> 2:48:29.000 buy and it was at fiasco. If this goes on 2:48:29.160 --> 2:48:31.040 for an extended period of time, it is going to 2:48:31.080 --> 2:48:33.440 cause significantly larger problems. Also, the economy was doing a 2:48:33.480 --> 2:48:35.080 lot better in twenty eighteen than it is right now. 2:48:35.520 --> 2:48:38.119 I mean, it's still kind of a mess. But yeah, 2:48:38.320 --> 2:48:41.240 so this this is going to turn into an increasing 2:48:41.360 --> 2:48:44.920 sort of political thorn for Trump among a bunch of 2:48:44.959 --> 2:48:47.400 people who are supposed to be his base, because people 2:48:47.560 --> 2:48:50.560 are very, very frustrated about this, and it is getting 2:48:50.640 --> 2:48:54.640 very little press attention. This has been the American farming 2:48:55.640 --> 2:48:57.520 tariff update question mark. 2:48:58.240 --> 2:48:59.879 No, I mean, why would we want to hear about 2:49:00.080 --> 2:49:02.320 farming tariff news when instead we can just keep the 2:49:02.400 --> 2:49:06.600 culture war machine going to have everyone just gobsmacked over 2:49:06.680 --> 2:49:10.199 that instead, Like that's the whole point of their political machine. 2:49:10.480 --> 2:49:12.800 It's not that everything is a distraction from something else, right, 2:49:13.000 --> 2:49:16.360 It's that if you keep everyone engaged with this with 2:49:16.640 --> 2:49:21.000 like culture war nonsense, left wing terrorism, Charlie Kirk whatever, 2:49:21.120 --> 2:49:22.640 like all of this stuff. 2:49:22.680 --> 2:49:25.879 No one's going to care about farming tariff news. 2:49:26.240 --> 2:49:28.720 Even if you're a big liberal outlet right, you put 2:49:28.760 --> 2:49:30.560 it out there in like half your fucking audience is 2:49:30.640 --> 2:49:33.200 going to be like lol la maal they voted for Trump, 2:49:33.400 --> 2:49:36.880 sucks for them, like yeah yeah. 2:49:37.000 --> 2:49:41.400 And the question effectively is are the people who previously 2:49:41.520 --> 2:49:45.520 had been kept in line by woke bathroom anti dei 2:49:46.720 --> 2:49:49.320 like trans women in sports stuff going to be able 2:49:49.400 --> 2:49:51.680 to be kept in line when the soybeans are running 2:49:51.680 --> 2:49:54.680 in the field. And we will we will see, we 2:49:54.760 --> 2:49:55.280 shall see. 2:49:55.720 --> 2:49:59.880 Yeah, speaking of some Charlie Kirk culture war, The Department 2:49:59.879 --> 2:50:04.000 of Education has partnered with the America First Policy Institute 2:50:04.120 --> 2:50:08.520 and Turning Point USA for a new civics program. This 2:50:08.720 --> 2:50:13.960 is called the America two fifty Civics Education Coalition. They'll 2:50:14.000 --> 2:50:18.000 work with over forty national and state organizations to quote 2:50:18.120 --> 2:50:21.600 spearhead nationwide initiatives to engage students, educators, and communities and 2:50:21.640 --> 2:50:27.640 conversations about liberty, citizenship, and America's enduring values unquote. Other 2:50:27.840 --> 2:50:32.199 organizations a part of this coalition include Prager You, Moms 2:50:32.280 --> 2:50:36.880 for Liberty, Alliance, Defending Freedom, Heritage Foundation, and the three 2:50:37.040 --> 2:50:40.760 explicitly Christian lobbying Groups. Now, all of these groups are 2:50:41.040 --> 2:50:44.520 basically Christian lobbying groups, but three with like Christian or 2:50:44.600 --> 2:50:48.840 religious names in the title of the organizations now partnering 2:50:48.920 --> 2:50:53.440 directly with the state for this educational coalition. Let's play 2:50:53.520 --> 2:50:56.080 video from the new website explaining the initiative. 2:50:58.760 --> 2:51:07.039 American education once a shining light guiding generations, built on faith, heritage, patriotism, 2:51:09.480 --> 2:51:13.200 But over the past sixty to seventy years, that brilliance 2:51:13.240 --> 2:51:14.000 has been dimmed. 2:51:14.680 --> 2:51:16.279 A great institution has been. 2:51:16.160 --> 2:51:19.199 Crumbled from within, playing Civil rights era. 2:51:19.440 --> 2:51:23.640 Hatred for America, false revisionist history, and division. 2:51:23.320 --> 2:51:26.080 From fundamentally transforming the United States. 2:51:26.720 --> 2:51:28.200 Oh that's a triggering phrase for me. 2:51:28.320 --> 2:51:30.360 Critical race theory, gender queer drag queens. 2:51:30.480 --> 2:51:35.000 Now on the two hundred and fiftieth nation, the Department 2:51:35.040 --> 2:51:39.600 of Education, the America two fifty Civics Education Coalition, and 2:51:39.720 --> 2:51:45.200 partners across America are reigniting that light, restored understanding, and 2:51:45.360 --> 2:51:48.440 returning education to the States where it belongs. 2:51:49.520 --> 2:51:51.360 For this was a bunch of white kids right. 2:51:51.320 --> 2:51:55.199 That inspired the world, and under the leadership of President 2:51:55.240 --> 2:51:57.240 Trump and Secretary McMahon. 2:51:58.920 --> 2:51:59.880 That's Lend MacMahon. 2:52:00.080 --> 2:52:07.880 Oh my god, Oh my god, are you fucking kidding me? 2:52:08.480 --> 2:52:11.760 AI generated lighthouse, Oh my god. 2:52:12.959 --> 2:52:14.400 Because we are Americans. 2:52:14.520 --> 2:52:19.240 The futures ours. Oh my god, it's one of the 2:52:19.400 --> 2:52:20.840 craziest things I've ever seen. 2:52:21.840 --> 2:52:22.920 Yeah, oh my god. 2:52:25.080 --> 2:52:27.840 So the framing of the video is that this lighthouse 2:52:27.879 --> 2:52:31.600 has gone out and Linda McMahon emerges, polishes and fixes 2:52:31.640 --> 2:52:37.800 the lighthouse, which now shines across the nation, igniting our patriotic. 2:52:37.360 --> 2:52:41.640 Education to find a lighthouse in America. So they aied one. 2:52:41.800 --> 2:52:45.160 With audio from w W secretary. 2:52:45.520 --> 2:52:49.760 Man, it's like the most hyper reality American brain even 2:52:49.879 --> 2:52:51.960 say that this is this is like the here's a 2:52:52.040 --> 2:52:54.800 lead paint thing that we're talking about, like talking about 2:52:54.800 --> 2:52:56.880 how a maried education has been like totally destroyed. And 2:52:56.879 --> 2:52:59.920 they're playing footage of like Civil Rights era like protests 2:53:00.040 --> 2:53:02.400 and like leaders. You can't parody this. 2:53:03.080 --> 2:53:03.440 Nah no. 2:53:04.200 --> 2:53:07.160 And it's all set to the to the soundtrack and 2:53:07.520 --> 2:53:11.480 edited in the manner of like a big budget Hollywood 2:53:11.520 --> 2:53:16.480 acyluster from fifteen years ago. Yeah yeah, yeah, which I guess, 2:53:16.560 --> 2:53:19.400 you know, fucking conservative Christians are always but fifteen years yeah, 2:53:19.440 --> 2:53:22.240 and the culture shit like so that scans but yeah, 2:53:22.320 --> 2:53:24.600 like it, this is like it sounds like a fucking 2:53:24.760 --> 2:53:27.600 uh uh. Who's the guy who did independence stake? God 2:53:27.680 --> 2:53:29.160 damn it, you know what I'm saying. 2:53:29.240 --> 2:53:31.560 I don't know shit about popular culture, but yeah, we 2:53:31.640 --> 2:53:34.599 should just know that seventy years ago education was segregated 2:53:34.680 --> 2:53:37.720 in this country. Oh yeah, that's race they want, which 2:53:37.800 --> 2:53:39.920 is yes, I just want to I just want to 2:53:40.040 --> 2:53:41.000 just sort of drop that nugget. 2:53:41.040 --> 2:53:44.240 And I've listened in person to Charlie Kirk argue that 2:53:44.280 --> 2:53:46.560 we should repeal the Civil Rights Act, like that's what 2:53:46.680 --> 2:53:47.400 these people want. 2:53:47.560 --> 2:53:49.520 Yeah, yeah, I just want to join the dots for 2:53:49.560 --> 2:53:52.520 folks who haven't and history as an heerenty revisionist, that's 2:53:52.560 --> 2:53:54.600 what we do. We don't just like go to go. 2:53:54.680 --> 2:53:56.120 We've done it all now, we've worked it all out. 2:53:56.160 --> 2:53:58.480 No need for any more historians. That's that, that's not 2:53:58.600 --> 2:53:59.440 how history works. 2:53:59.760 --> 2:54:03.560 The chief education officer of Turning Point Education, this is 2:54:03.600 --> 2:54:08.600 his real name, doctor hutts H Hertzburg triple H said 2:54:08.640 --> 2:54:09.879 that quote that. 2:54:09.959 --> 2:54:12.920 Was also wwe character Is it the same guy? 2:54:13.920 --> 2:54:16.400 No, this is a this is a Christian educator. 2:54:16.720 --> 2:54:20.360 Oh okay, he says quote Turning Point USA is more 2:54:20.800 --> 2:54:25.680 resolved than ever to advance God centered, virtuous education for 2:54:25.800 --> 2:54:28.600 students flourishing across our nation. With that in mind, we 2:54:28.640 --> 2:54:31.720 are honored to partner with the distinguished organizations that comprise 2:54:32.040 --> 2:54:35.600 the America two fifty Civics Education Coalition to restore, revive, 2:54:35.840 --> 2:54:40.160 and reclaim robust American Civics education for all students throughout 2:54:40.280 --> 2:54:45.000 our country unquote. Earlier today is Wednesday, the state of 2:54:45.080 --> 2:54:49.840 Oklahoma has announced that they will be establishing TPUSA chapters 2:54:50.200 --> 2:54:54.400 in every high school across the state. Oh great, here's 2:54:54.440 --> 2:54:58.119 the Superintendent Ryan Waters of Oklahoma. 2:54:58.840 --> 2:55:02.120 I'm excited to announce it that every Oklahoma high school 2:55:02.520 --> 2:55:05.720 will have a Turning Point USA chapter. We have seen 2:55:05.760 --> 2:55:09.760 the outpouring from parents, teachers, and students that want to 2:55:09.840 --> 2:55:12.520 be engaged in a meaningful work going on a turning Point. 2:55:13.200 --> 2:55:15.920 They want their young people to be engaged in a 2:55:16.000 --> 2:55:22.400 process that understands free speech, open engagement, dialogue about American greatness, 2:55:22.800 --> 2:55:26.680 a dialogue around American values. We're so excited to partner 2:55:26.720 --> 2:55:31.160 with Turning Point USA with this initiative. For far too long, 2:55:31.280 --> 2:55:35.880 we have seen radical leftists with the Teachers' Union dominate 2:55:36.000 --> 2:55:40.840 classrooms and push woken doctrination on our kids. They fight parents' rights, 2:55:41.560 --> 2:55:44.280 they push parents out of the classroom, and they lie 2:55:44.320 --> 2:55:47.320 to our kids about American history. What we're going to 2:55:47.360 --> 2:55:50.000 continue to do is make sure that our kids understand 2:55:50.000 --> 2:55:55.240 American greatness, engage in civic dialogue, and have that open discussion. 2:55:56.600 --> 2:55:59.200 We will continue to do all that we can to 2:55:59.280 --> 2:56:01.560 make sure Oklahoma students have the best education plots. 2:56:02.200 --> 2:56:04.760 Part of this announcement, He's written on Twitter. Quote radical 2:56:04.840 --> 2:56:08.600 leftist teachers. Unions have dominated classrooms for far too long, 2:56:08.879 --> 2:56:11.960 and we are taking them back. I think, Robert, we 2:56:12.000 --> 2:56:14.720 talked with this guy last year at the rn C. 2:56:14.959 --> 2:56:15.920 Yep, Yeah, we should. 2:56:16.080 --> 2:56:18.400 We might do something with that interview at some point. 2:56:18.959 --> 2:56:20.640 I wish he'd got he'd been out of a job 2:56:20.720 --> 2:56:24.000 by now. But life, life, Huh. 2:56:25.000 --> 2:56:29.720 The last thing I want to discuss today is quote 2:56:29.800 --> 2:56:36.680 unquote transgender terrorism, something I've seen many friends and posters 2:56:36.720 --> 2:56:41.240 across the internet be really, really concerned about, for you know, 2:56:41.520 --> 2:56:44.280 a lot of good reasons. Ken Kleppenstein has released a 2:56:44.520 --> 2:56:47.840 few articles the past few days. First to one from 2:56:48.000 --> 2:56:52.800 last week, quote the FBI ready's new war on trans people. 2:56:53.320 --> 2:56:56.600 The FBI is preparing to label transgender people as violent 2:56:56.680 --> 2:56:59.600 extremists in the wake of Charlie Kirk's murder. That is 2:56:59.640 --> 2:57:02.680 how hand framed that on the headline, and for his 2:57:02.800 --> 2:57:06.640 tweet alongside the article. Other outlets like them dot Us 2:57:07.120 --> 2:57:10.680 has spread this reporting even further. Quote FBI to categorize 2:57:10.720 --> 2:57:14.520 trans people as nihilistic violent extremist. Threat Group report says 2:57:14.920 --> 2:57:17.640 the Federal Bureau of Investigation is reportedly preparing to categorize 2:57:17.680 --> 2:57:25.680 transgender people as violent extremists. This framing is incorrect, and 2:57:25.800 --> 2:57:30.640 I will explain why in great detail shortly. The Federal 2:57:30.640 --> 2:57:34.840 Bureau of Investigation is not getting ready to categorize transgender 2:57:34.920 --> 2:57:37.400 people as like a category, as like a class of people, 2:57:37.879 --> 2:57:41.440 as violent extremists. There is no evidence that this is 2:57:41.480 --> 2:57:45.240 currentlyh they're doing. There's no internal communications arguing this. Even 2:57:45.360 --> 2:57:47.720 the Heritage Foundation's proposal to create a new category of 2:57:47.760 --> 2:57:50.520 trans terrorism is not arguing this, as I will quote 2:57:50.520 --> 2:57:53.520 from here shortly. But let's get into what the first 2:57:53.640 --> 2:57:57.200 article from Clippenstein actually wrote. Based on a source inside 2:57:57.240 --> 2:57:59.520 the government quote the senior official explains that there is 2:57:59.640 --> 2:58:02.840 no process per se for dealing with trans people as 2:58:02.879 --> 2:58:06.760 a quote unquote the threat group, but feels that trans 2:58:06.800 --> 2:58:11.039 individuals will be increasingly targeted under the banner of violent extremism. 2:58:11.440 --> 2:58:14.440 Under the plan being discussed, the FBI would treat transgender 2:58:14.560 --> 2:58:17.200 subjects as a subset of the bureau's new threat category, 2:58:17.480 --> 2:58:22.320 nihilistic violent extremists unquote. We've talked about nihilistic violent extremists 2:58:22.360 --> 2:58:26.360 on this show before, back in spring, and we all 2:58:26.440 --> 2:58:29.119 know that the Trump administration has been targeting trans people 2:58:29.200 --> 2:58:31.320 like this is something that everyone who listens to this 2:58:31.360 --> 2:58:33.560 show is aware of. This is this is a real thing. 2:58:34.000 --> 2:58:37.440 But there is not actually any new verifiable information in 2:58:37.879 --> 2:58:42.600 this report. There's rhetoric from people like Donald Trump Junior 2:58:42.720 --> 2:58:47.120 and right wing influencers talking about transgender terrorists and this 2:58:47.280 --> 2:58:50.080 trend of transgender terrorists as they have been for the 2:58:50.120 --> 2:58:52.120 past two years. Me and Mia did that piece about 2:58:52.320 --> 2:58:55.760 fake trans terrorists, like almost two years ago. That was 2:58:55.840 --> 2:58:58.400 two years ago to we we've been tracking this rhetoric 2:58:58.440 --> 2:59:00.760 for a long time. So stuff like that that fills 2:59:00.920 --> 2:59:02.840 up a lot of the space in articles like this, 2:59:03.120 --> 2:59:08.119 but new verifiable information is actually quite short. In this article, 2:59:08.440 --> 2:59:11.720 Ken has a single unnamed official who quote unquote feels 2:59:12.480 --> 2:59:15.920 like trans people could be labeled nihilistic violent extremists. Now, 2:59:16.000 --> 2:59:19.200 in Ken's previous reporting about this label, he misunderstood the 2:59:19.320 --> 2:59:23.880 ENV label. This label exists just essentially for seven to 2:59:23.920 --> 2:59:27.360 sixty four. The child this exploitation group that operates on 2:59:27.440 --> 2:59:29.600 the discord and telegram and branch off groups from that. 2:59:29.640 --> 2:59:31.039 We've talked about them on the show be here before 2:59:31.080 --> 2:59:34.640 as well. And the nihilist of violent extremism term predates 2:59:34.680 --> 2:59:37.200 the Trump administration. This isn't a cash betel thing. This 2:59:37.360 --> 2:59:40.160 this predates the Trump admin. This was active last year, 2:59:40.640 --> 2:59:44.520 and it primarily is to categorize and map these child's 2:59:44.520 --> 2:59:48.880 exploitation rings and some overlapping communities like the school shooter fandom. 2:59:49.320 --> 2:59:52.320 But in Ken's article here, there's no like leaked documents 2:59:52.400 --> 2:59:56.360 in this report showing like current memos or communications on 2:59:56.600 --> 2:59:59.600 this topic. Ken's great for leaks, but there's there's not 2:59:59.800 --> 3:00:01.960 lea documents in this report. 3:00:02.080 --> 3:00:02.240 Now. 3:00:03.080 --> 3:00:05.680 As we all know and we've reported, the right wing 3:00:05.760 --> 3:00:08.680 hate campaign against trans people is a real thing. It's 3:00:09.040 --> 3:00:12.200 coming from the Trump administration, from state level government as 3:00:12.240 --> 3:00:16.640 well as the entire conservative media apparatus. But I think 3:00:16.800 --> 3:00:19.760 right now especially, it's really important to read reports like 3:00:19.879 --> 3:00:26.480 this very carefully. Trans Fear mongering massively boosts social media engagement, 3:00:26.560 --> 3:00:29.240 which then can encourage people to use framing like this 3:00:29.400 --> 3:00:33.440 that might actually kind of be irresponsible. Now, a few 3:00:33.560 --> 3:00:37.879 hours before Pilplstein published this first article. The Heritage Foundation 3:00:38.080 --> 3:00:41.600 and their Oversight Project released a petition to have the 3:00:41.800 --> 3:00:45.480 FBI designate a new category of violent extremism, which they 3:00:45.560 --> 3:00:50.480 call trans ideology inspired violent extremism or TIV. 3:00:51.120 --> 3:00:51.440 Quote. 3:00:51.760 --> 3:00:55.039 TIV is based on the belief that violence is justified 3:00:55.040 --> 3:00:58.760 against those who do not share radical views of transgender ideology. 3:00:59.200 --> 3:01:02.000 It has led to an increasing trend of TIV domestic 3:01:02.200 --> 3:01:05.840 terrorist events across the country in recent years. TIV has 3:01:05.840 --> 3:01:09.320 played a role in the majority of mass shootings at schools, 3:01:09.680 --> 3:01:14.240 that is the Heritage Foundation's claim. The petition includes a 3:01:14.320 --> 3:01:18.600 list of quote unquote TIV motivated attacks, including multiple attackers 3:01:18.600 --> 3:01:22.400 who either were not trans or were clearly not motivated 3:01:22.560 --> 3:01:26.520 by trans ideology, as reporting at the time and government 3:01:26.760 --> 3:01:29.920 documents have shown, including acts from the past like six 3:01:30.040 --> 3:01:34.040 or seven years. But Heritage rights that quote experts estimate 3:01:34.200 --> 3:01:38.520 no citation that fifty percent of non gang related school 3:01:38.520 --> 3:01:43.160 shootings since twenty fifteen have quote involved or likely involve 3:01:43.400 --> 3:01:46.359 trans ideology unquote fifty percent. 3:01:46.680 --> 3:01:50.760 Have involved or likely involved. Yet in this list they 3:01:50.800 --> 3:01:54.640 can only list three school shootings. They can only list three, 3:01:55.000 --> 3:01:58.240 even their own list, which they say fifty percent likely 3:01:58.400 --> 3:01:59.920 involve trans ideology. 3:02:00.720 --> 3:02:02.640 There's been more than three school shootings this year. 3:02:03.000 --> 3:02:05.920 This month, There's been more three school shootings not involving 3:02:05.959 --> 3:02:06.760 trans people this year. 3:02:07.160 --> 3:02:10.279 This is a wild, wildly atrocious. 3:02:10.360 --> 3:02:10.720 Is sad? 3:02:11.320 --> 3:02:14.440 Yeah, it's just fabricate dude, right, Like and again like 3:02:14.680 --> 3:02:17.959 reality doesn't matter, Like that's that's the point. 3:02:18.040 --> 3:02:21.200 Like, no, this is the Heritage Foundation, Like come on, yeah, yeah. 3:02:21.680 --> 3:02:26.240 But importantly, like a violent extremism designation would not mean 3:02:26.440 --> 3:02:30.360 that all trans people as a class are deemed violent extremists. 3:02:30.440 --> 3:02:32.119 What it would do is it would create a category 3:02:32.200 --> 3:02:37.119 to use for investigations into violent acts, graph patterns of violence, 3:02:37.480 --> 3:02:41.240 argue in court documents, and possibly include some preemptive surveillance 3:02:41.320 --> 3:02:44.040 on people or groups that are deemed as threats as 3:02:44.080 --> 3:02:46.720 a part of this strut group. But in the petition, 3:02:47.120 --> 3:02:52.080 Heritage says that no, not all transgender individuals or their 3:02:52.120 --> 3:02:53.920 allies are domestic terrorists. 3:02:55.040 --> 3:02:55.320 Quote. 3:02:55.520 --> 3:02:57.920 They are even free to engage it in offensive and 3:02:58.040 --> 3:03:00.320 hateful speech under the First Amendment, so long as they 3:03:00.360 --> 3:03:04.600 do not stray into unlawful incitement, defamation, true threat, obscenity, 3:03:04.920 --> 3:03:07.000 or some other category of non protected speech. 3:03:07.040 --> 3:03:10.280 The domestic terror destination becomes relevant only when individuals or 3:03:10.320 --> 3:03:13.680 groups one are motivated by an ideology that encourages, promotes, 3:03:13.720 --> 3:03:18.080 or condones violence, and two take or incite unlawful violent 3:03:18.160 --> 3:03:21.880 action or threats based on that ideology. Both criteria must 3:03:21.959 --> 3:03:25.600 be met. Unquote, that's from the Heritage's own petition. 3:03:25.800 --> 3:03:26.080 It's not. 3:03:26.440 --> 3:03:32.000 There's nothing in Heritage's own petition or Ken's article that 3:03:32.160 --> 3:03:35.640 says that trans people entirely are going to be deemed 3:03:36.400 --> 3:03:40.600 terrorists or a domestic like extremist threat group. That's not 3:03:40.800 --> 3:03:44.680 what either Heritage or what the actual details of articles 3:03:44.760 --> 3:03:47.680 like Ken's is saying. And to further kind of show 3:03:47.720 --> 3:03:51.480 this divide, the Heritage petition also addresses the nihilist violent 3:03:51.520 --> 3:03:54.879 extremism label as a completely separate thing, unrelated trans people 3:03:55.160 --> 3:03:58.320 that they do not want combined into one single category. 3:03:58.520 --> 3:04:01.240 I don't know why Ken keeps pushing this label so much. 3:04:01.879 --> 3:04:04.600 It's really important to understand how trans people are actually 3:04:04.640 --> 3:04:06.959 under threat right now, because they are right The biggest 3:04:06.959 --> 3:04:09.760 threats to transporople right now are access to healthcare specific 3:04:09.879 --> 3:04:11.680 for people who are under the age of eighteen and 3:04:11.959 --> 3:04:14.600 things like bathroom bands and trying to restrict transmitter people 3:04:14.640 --> 3:04:15.480 from public life. 3:04:15.800 --> 3:04:17.720 But the other biggest. 3:04:17.360 --> 3:04:20.360 Threat to transpeople right now is like ourselves, and we 3:04:20.480 --> 3:04:23.400 don't need to do the government's work for them to 3:04:23.560 --> 3:04:27.720 keep us so demoralized. Spreading misinformation or unverified reports like 3:04:27.800 --> 3:04:32.160 this that just makes everyone panicked and freak out actually 3:04:32.280 --> 3:04:35.800 harms us and our community. The trans panic industrial complex 3:04:35.920 --> 3:04:38.440 is dangerous, and people need to be very careful about 3:04:38.480 --> 3:04:43.280 this because it's an extremely dangerous time and having an 3:04:43.360 --> 3:04:45.760 accurate assessment over what's going on is going to be 3:04:45.840 --> 3:04:49.280 crucial to survive the next few months to years. 3:04:49.640 --> 3:04:53.080 No, and again, we've seen this on the right, and 3:04:53.840 --> 3:04:55.800 this has played a role in radicalizing a lot of 3:04:55.840 --> 3:04:57.920 people on the right and getting them to do fucked 3:04:57.959 --> 3:05:01.720 up shit. Is year of like they're coming for you. 3:05:01.840 --> 3:05:03.880 They're coming for you. They're going to be coming for 3:05:03.959 --> 3:05:07.360 you tonight, right like you're already dead. You know, there's 3:05:07.480 --> 3:05:12.480 money in pushing and there's clout in pushing hopelessness. Yeah, 3:05:12.720 --> 3:05:16.920 And I don't want to be telling people everything's good, 3:05:17.080 --> 3:05:20.080 because it's not that things are very dangerous for trans 3:05:20.120 --> 3:05:21.760 people right now in a way they have not been 3:05:22.200 --> 3:05:25.240 at any point previously in very recent history. Things are 3:05:25.320 --> 3:05:30.080 much worse right nobody's denying that, but you have to 3:05:30.120 --> 3:05:33.600 look at like the facts of how they're worse, as 3:05:33.640 --> 3:05:38.120 opposed to not reading an article or analyzing what the 3:05:38.240 --> 3:05:41.199 article actually says, or analyzing what the Heritage Foundation says 3:05:41.360 --> 3:05:44.959 and saying they've they're declaring all of us terrorists, right, 3:05:45.080 --> 3:05:45.720 because that's. 3:05:45.600 --> 3:05:50.160 Not going to end well, no, don't panic organize. That's 3:05:50.240 --> 3:05:53.920 the actual solution to this. I also want to briefly 3:05:54.080 --> 3:05:56.400 note on I've seen a lot of comparisons of this 3:05:56.640 --> 3:06:01.520 to the black identity extremism designation, and I want to 3:06:01.560 --> 3:06:03.880 bring this back to something that Garrison mentioned earlier about 3:06:04.480 --> 3:06:07.560 the way that the nihilist extremism category was like specifically 3:06:07.680 --> 3:06:11.920 designed to target like a specific sort of complex network 3:06:12.200 --> 3:06:16.560 of yeah, pedophile discord servers. Yeah, this is the same 3:06:16.840 --> 3:06:20.400 methodology that was used for Black identity extremism. Black identity 3:06:20.440 --> 3:06:23.880 extremism wasn't a category they conjured out of nowhere to 3:06:23.959 --> 3:06:26.920 go after all black people. It was a category that 3:06:27.080 --> 3:06:30.320 was specifically designed to go after specific activists in the 3:06:30.360 --> 3:06:33.120 wake of Occupy and the wake of Ferguson. Yeah, and 3:06:34.280 --> 3:06:39.560 this is completely just not the process that is happening 3:06:39.680 --> 3:06:43.480 for this, right, Like, we're not dealing with Okay, there 3:06:43.560 --> 3:06:45.920 is a specific group of transactivists that the government wants 3:06:45.959 --> 3:06:48.880 to target, so they're creating a label for it, right, 3:06:48.959 --> 3:06:51.240 We don't have any evidence of that at all. What 3:06:51.360 --> 3:06:56.480 we have is anonymous sources saying they feel like something 3:06:56.600 --> 3:06:57.439 might happen. 3:06:57.280 --> 3:06:59.360 That trans people could be targeted, and you're like, yeah, 3:06:59.480 --> 3:07:02.800 trans people have been targeted like that, that's what's happening. Yeah, 3:07:03.000 --> 3:07:05.279 Are they going to be labeled denialist of violand streamists 3:07:05.720 --> 3:07:06.200 at this point? 3:07:06.280 --> 3:07:09.960 Unlikely? Could the FBI consider adopting something like the Heritage 3:07:09.959 --> 3:07:11.119 proposal for FORTIV? 3:07:11.720 --> 3:07:11.920 Yeah? 3:07:12.000 --> 3:07:16.400 Possibly, Yeah, that is that is absolutely a possibility. Would 3:07:16.480 --> 3:07:19.120 that come into reality the same way that people are 3:07:19.200 --> 3:07:21.800 talking about it online or the way that headlines are 3:07:21.840 --> 3:07:25.480 framing it. No, it's not about designating all trans people 3:07:25.520 --> 3:07:26.640 as terrorists as a class. 3:07:27.000 --> 3:07:29.600 It's not about that. And it also wouldn't function like 3:07:29.640 --> 3:07:32.440 the black identity extreamist thing, because again, that was like 3:07:32.680 --> 3:07:35.000 they already had people they were going after and they 3:07:35.120 --> 3:07:38.360 wanted a legal category that they could deploy in order 3:07:38.400 --> 3:07:40.480 to go after them. That's not what's happening here. They 3:07:40.520 --> 3:07:45.199 don't have like a list of like trans discord servers 3:07:45.240 --> 3:07:47.840 that they're about to round up for like doing a protest, 3:07:48.280 --> 3:07:49.879 Like that's not what's happening here. 3:07:50.160 --> 3:07:53.600 No, but they could go after people who make threats online, 3:07:54.040 --> 3:07:56.880 and that's something that I'm sure Cashtel's FBI yeah, would 3:07:56.920 --> 3:07:59.000 love to do. And if they can sort those people 3:07:59.400 --> 3:08:03.600 into a category like tive to argue in a prosecution 3:08:03.879 --> 3:08:06.120 or to or to make like a flow chart to 3:08:06.240 --> 3:08:09.440 direct investigations, then that's the realm they're gonna use. 3:08:10.080 --> 3:08:12.520 Yeah, but even that, we are so far away from 3:08:12.560 --> 3:08:17.000 them even like starting that process that you should be 3:08:17.440 --> 3:08:22.600 concerned about the actual threats from like I don't know, 3:08:22.640 --> 3:08:25.320 I mean just like literally there's there's been a series 3:08:25.360 --> 3:08:27.440 of attacks on trans people, just like in neighborhoods in 3:08:27.440 --> 3:08:29.800 Seattle by just like gangs of dudes. Right, That's like 3:08:29.879 --> 3:08:33.240 an actual, substantive thing that is happening. That is not this, 3:08:34.080 --> 3:08:36.160 that is not some sort of nebulous like we are 3:08:36.200 --> 3:08:38.960 relying on opinions of unnamed officials. We can look at 3:08:39.400 --> 3:08:42.400 and evaluate and figure out what we're going to do 3:08:42.520 --> 3:08:45.279 about it instead of just giving into the panic industrial 3:08:45.320 --> 3:08:47.360 complex and panicking about it. 3:08:47.760 --> 3:08:50.400 Yeah, things that are frame bombastically like this go super 3:08:50.480 --> 3:08:52.680 viral and they spread a lot, and that's what the 3:08:52.720 --> 3:08:55.359 algorithms are encouraging. I mean, same thing with the algorithmic 3:08:55.400 --> 3:08:58.040 boosting of you know, false flight conspiracy theories, because those 3:08:58.400 --> 3:09:02.600 are so much more satisfying. They spread like wildfire across 3:09:02.680 --> 3:09:06.160 blue sky and Twitter and like even things like Instagram stories, 3:09:06.640 --> 3:09:09.360 and just be very careful about anything that goes viral 3:09:09.680 --> 3:09:12.280 because that claim is trying to influence your brain. It's 3:09:12.320 --> 3:09:16.280 trying to worm its way into your brain to take 3:09:16.320 --> 3:09:18.920 the form as a thought that you had yourself. And 3:09:19.640 --> 3:09:22.240 be super careful because this type of weaponize on reality 3:09:22.840 --> 3:09:24.959 has been used so successfully the past ten years against 3:09:25.000 --> 3:09:26.080 the right. This is how the whole like you know, 3:09:26.200 --> 3:09:31.040 migrant panic wave started lies about immigration. This like panicked framing. 3:09:31.200 --> 3:09:34.240 These things spread like wildfire online and now you have 3:09:34.720 --> 3:09:37.360 large swaths of the country believing in this genuine like 3:09:37.560 --> 3:09:40.320 like you know, migrant crisis. And this is how social 3:09:40.360 --> 3:09:43.440 media functions to influence how your brain thinks and how 3:09:43.480 --> 3:09:46.640 your brain process is fact from fiction and forms like 3:09:46.720 --> 3:09:49.959 a collective sense of reality. And you are also being 3:09:50.080 --> 3:09:53.760 targeted by this same process in different ways than the 3:09:53.840 --> 3:09:56.280 right is, but this process is still targeting you as well, 3:09:56.600 --> 3:10:00.560 and it's like super important to like, read things critically 3:10:01.040 --> 3:10:04.720 and take time before jumping to conclusions, because I don't 3:10:04.720 --> 3:10:08.320 think we need more quick, emotionally satisfying conspiracy theories in 3:10:08.360 --> 3:10:08.720 our life. 3:10:09.240 --> 3:10:09.440 Yeah. 3:10:10.080 --> 3:10:14.440 Anyway, that's the news this week, we sure did report it. Yeah, 3:10:14.800 --> 3:10:15.160 the news. 3:10:15.280 --> 3:10:18.360 This week we reported the head out of media go away. 3:10:20.000 --> 3:10:28.080 We reported the news. 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