WEBVTT - Tank 0:00:05.559 --> 0:00:15.600 Well, thank We are the authority on all things R 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:19.080 and B. Ladies and gentlemen, what's going on? I am 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:22.520 Tank and this is the R and B Money Podcast, 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:27.040 the authority on all things R and B all things. 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:30.240 Um yeah, I don't know what me sit here. This 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:33.400 ain't this ain't my normal seat. But this is not 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:38.320 a normal R and B Money podcast. Today I'm in 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:41.879 the hot seat R and B Money. It's out my 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:46.120 last album. That's what this is gonna be about. And 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:50.360 to have this special R and B Money episode, I 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:52.560 have two special people here with me in the building. 0:00:52.680 --> 0:01:00.240 Let me take a drink. Well to special people in 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:05.080 the house. UM, I like to call my friend this woman, 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:09.600 I just call her a business one. That is it. 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:13.640 If it is business, she can handle it, she can 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:20.000 do it. Please, uh give some spinker snaps money podcast 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:26.760 world to my family. Ms y'all, I would like to 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:35.399 Curtsey and then, UM, I mean, first of all, let 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:39.600 me let me get to it. Okay. First of all, okay, 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:47.280 a person, a woman who knew me when I'm talking about, 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:54.320 danced in my first video. I mean we called eyes. 0:01:55.320 --> 0:02:01.480 She saw a player. She said, I see that. I'll 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:05.640 say that. I'll say that eye contact was mutual. Um, 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:09.239 we have been we have been friends for a long time. 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:13.120 We have been best friends. Um, we are soul mates. 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:20.000 And she is a businessman, but more importantly the mother 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:31.400 of my kids and my wife. Last year, looking champagne. 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:33.760 We gotta start, no, woman's get the start up right. 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:38.160 This is special. Ladies love champagne. Okay, everybody watching Normy 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:42.680 Money podcast, Ladies love champagne. You know they also dabbled 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:45.440 in tequila, you know, but if they start dabbling in that, 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:47.600 then that tequila. I just let you know how that 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:51.840 night is gonna go. Protect yourself at all times. How 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:56.160 y'all doing, how y'all feel to be? I'm ready, You're ready. Ready. 0:02:57.680 --> 0:02:59.840 I feel like in my hot seat because I'm almost here. 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:06.840 I'll something. I feel like Becausina said, we're drinking champagne here, 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:10.359 So I mean, what a freaking honor. First of all, 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:12.720 can I say how inspirational you guys are. I know 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:15.760 that word is like throwing around, you know, people use it. 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:19.200 It sounds cute and whatever, but it's the truth. Man. 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:21.520 You know, I like to I've been a friend of 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:24.680 you guys, UM for a long part of you your 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:28.120 journey and I'm just happy to be here with you 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:33.320 guys as husband, as wife, a beautiful family, incredible friends 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:35.800 to a lot of people, good people. You know, aside 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:39.200 from what the world sees on like Instagram or you 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:42.440 on stage or anything like that. You guys are good 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:44.640 hearted people and you're good people to a lot of people. 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.320 So I just want to say cheers to that, Cheers 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:51.960 to family, Cheers to keeping that thing strong man. Love 0:03:52.040 --> 0:04:05.119 y'all me like links click, I won't know, Okay. Um, 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:07.600 I'm not leading this, so I'm going to turn it 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:11.360 over to the ladies and I'm gonna sit in this 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:17.120 hot seat and hot do you want to see? It's 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:26.760 about my music something years very focus, Okay, I Today's 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:31.479 Flower Days as you eloquently purchased for me on the 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:38.040 on the on the release of Army. Yeah, awesome for that. 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:40.200 You know, we're all about the details over here. Yeah, 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:43.240 that was a great cover. Why did that cover? What? What? 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:45.039 What was in that for that cover? What did that 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:48.279 feel like for you? Um? Great question. Shout out to 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:54.160 my brother Rich Fresh who who completely just doctored up 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:59.760 that entire look. Um. Shout out to um, my brother 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:04.200 Iron Javar, who always looked too for the co sign 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:07.680 when it comes to my styling choices and of course 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:10.960 the things he brings you know to the table. Um 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:15.000 I wanted. I wanted R and B money. Of course, 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:18.400 as me naming the label R and B money, it 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:22.440 means that R and B makes money. Um, I'm a 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:26.880 prime example of R and B making money. And so 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:30.159 for the album to be called R and B Money, 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:34.679 I wanted to look absolutely like money. So I wanted 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:38.599 to look refined. I wanted to look tailored. I wanted 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:43.159 to look presentable, um, just on a level I probably 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:46.280 hadn't been um seen before in a long time. You know, normally, 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:50.480 as you know, normally, as tis the deal. He always 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:52.680 has the feel and I'm a big yeller for that. 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:59.200 I'm always for his You're I'm always asking him. I'm like, 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:01.320 when are you going to a feeling like it going 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:06.760 to stop? And I'm like, I'm like whenever when I can't. 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:15.440 A lot of people can't. Okay, I don't talk about 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:20.280 what you get to touch on. Um, I just think that, 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:23.320 you know, that's an aesthetic of R and B that 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:27.640 I want, you know, R and B artists to not 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:30.080 be afraid of, you know, what I'm saying, because I 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:34.279 think we've all kind of taken the dope boy fresh rap, 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:38.719 you know what I'm saying. We've all now, um, dabbled 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:43.440 into the jewelry and and and extra. You know, we've 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:46.000 dabbled into the I think I think the BB Simon 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.440 belt is back, and you know what I'm saying. And 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:51.680 everybody's got the same gene and the same you know, 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:57.040 we've all dabbled into that space. But I think that there's, um, 0:06:57.080 --> 0:06:59.960 there's a space where R and B. It's also very 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:02.680 buttoned up. You know what I'm saying. It's very classy 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:04.800 and it's very elegant, you know what I mean. And 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:07.280 that's the that's the R and B that I grew upon, 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:10.240 you know what I'm saying. Joe to see was you know, 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:13.480 a break of the monotony, you know, a necessary change 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:16.600 to add balance to it all. But Boys two Men 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:22.000 was buttoned up, Maxwell buttoned up. I'm saying, a baby 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:24.680 face buttoned up. It sounds like it, it looked like it, 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:29.800 it felt like it. It landed and and I think 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:34.760 with the even with the album, I wanted to completely 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:38.080 land in an R and B space. I wanted to 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:40.680 listen to my album and without a doubt know that 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:45.840 we're somewhere in between the nineties and the early two thousand's, 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:48.120 like that's where this album lives. And for the first 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:51.800 ten songs, you know, my my my take on R 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:54.600 and B is it's always a conversation with a woman 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:58.120 or about a woman. And so my first ten songs 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:02.480 on my album, whatever you need to say about that 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:06.040 woman to that woman, this is your opportunity to say 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:08.200 in these first ten songs. Let me ask you this. 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:10.360 What's one of the most important things you had to 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:16.080 say to Zina? Mhm, I pict your face be it's 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:18.840 about a conversation, what a wantan oh, you know what? 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:27.040 You know what? Tell her where your inspiration? This is great? 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:35.840 Or YouTube? Um, the most important thing I had to 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:38.160 say to Zena and don't made me cry because I 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:42.600 did my makeup today. Okay, it wasn't one thing, sure, 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:48.600 it was a whole thing. Um, the truth and then 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:52.600 go ahead, that's good. The truth. Yeah, And so from 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:56.640 the truth you get a song like can't let it 0:08:56.720 --> 0:09:03.440 show you know what I mean? Where you know the truth? 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:12.000 At this point, it's probably a little too late. The truth. 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:16.520 After the truth at this point, the truth at this point, 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:19.880 not today, I'm saying in the conversation, at this point, 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:24.320 it's probably too late. And so this same truth that 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:29.880 probably would have made her cry a year ago now 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:34.520 makes her look at me and disgusted and say, I 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:37.640 don't even have I don't I can't even cry for 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:41.160 you like you so stupid, You're so out of control, 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:44.560 You're so stupid. I can't even cry. And it makes 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:48.760 me say, oh my god, you just finished my song. 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:53.160 I should be crying, but I just can't let it show. 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:56.439 I should be crying, but I can't stop thinking all 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:58.760 the things you should have done, but all the things 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:03.080 you should have said when a woman is out of that. 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:08.720 But back to your question, that was the hardest thing 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:16.360 I've ever had to tell z is It's not one 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:20.400 It's not one thing. It's a whole Thing's the whole thing. 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:25.240 And so, you know, as much of as much as 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:28.320 I live it out of my music, I had to 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:34.840 live it in real life and and endure the ramifications, 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:39.160 you know, the repercussions that come along with it. And unfortunately, 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:43.760 fortunately that's also sacrificial because then comes music with that too, 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:48.079 that that that is scary right, that is scary because 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:53.559 it is a constant reminder, sacrificial. And so I gotta, 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:55.840 you know, while this song is on, while I'm performing, 0:10:55.880 --> 0:11:01.040 i gotta check on my life. And I'm like, we're good. 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:04.160 It sounds good, We're still good. We're gonna be all 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:06.679 right after that, just thought about sick of it. I'm 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:08.760 sick of it half. I mean, just come on, I'm 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:12.720 done with all of this. But you can get your 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:18.920 inspiration for songs from real life experiences. Sure, yeah, so 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:22.079 this is your last album? Yes, So that means we're 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:26.240 good now. It's so good. You don't have to you 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:33.000 don't have to live that way sailing at this point on. 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:36.720 I just want to know so clear. I think that 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:39.960 you know, from an album process, I'm done making albums 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:45.160 for myself for sure. Um, but you know I'm acting now, 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:47.760 doing more acting. That's where I'm at, um, doing my 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:50.800 stand up and producing and writing more for other artists, 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:55.200 building the label. Um. So from a time standpoint, you know, 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:58.679 I'm not done. Like I like to say that, you know, 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:02.480 I'm still in the building. I'm just on a different floor. 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:05.040 Would you say that's what you say to your fans? 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:07.840 Like as a fan right sitting here like in the 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:12.080 mini hats that I'm blessed to wear um with friends 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:16.000 in your spaces, but as a fan that I see 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:19.079 here and here that it's kind of nerve. It's it's 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:22.880 hitting a nerve. It's not like, oh I'm so happy. 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:28.760 He's probably I'm probably the only person. Yeah, she's that. 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:38.120 We're good. But you know you you and you're not 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:41.400 about to pull a radio Okay now say okay, sorry, 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:46.760 we might because you know I'm all things. This is crazy. Um, um, 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:52.760 we're at we're at um. The Usher show sure, absolutely amazing. Yeah. 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:56.920 By the way, if you haven't been to Usher's residency, 0:12:57.320 --> 0:13:00.480 if you are a true R and B fing mm hmm, 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:06.360 you make the voyage how other religious people make make 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:11.920 their voyage to Mecca. You make the voyage to Vegas 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:16.319 to see Usher and see R and B music on. 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:22.000 I held up a stage continue at the Usher show, 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:28.200 and I need to Baker's. Did Tevin Campbell's there? Shout 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:32.960 out to Campbell? Shout out to Tevin Campbell. Amazing night. 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:39.439 I need a Baker's. And and Anita sees me um 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:44.760 and and she says, oh my god, come here, come here, 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:49.280 and she says, we can't lose. You don't do that 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:50.720 to me, I thought I had some sense to share 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:59.360 and I was like, I was hold up, mhm, No, 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:03.000 that's a that's that because that's what I'm that's I 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:07.600 got to tech you on, Jackie want just because that's 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:15.679 just that hit me so differently in anything, because first 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:21.000 of all, that's the need of Baker Um, the R 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:25.800 and B that I was allowed to listen to that 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:30.080 I grew up on. There were there were three albums 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:36.960 sitting on my father's record player. There was New Addition, 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:42.800 God and Anita Baker Wow. And that's what I would 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:46.920 listen to every day I came home from school every day. 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:50.600 And so you know, I met the need, had the 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:53.480 pleasure of meeting her a few times. But her saying 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:58.240 that to me and in my mind, me not even 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:04.359 knowing that me retire would even reach Yeah, the depths 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:10.160 of and Anita Baker who is living in her her 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:14.960 own universe by herself stand alone, right, And when she 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:18.960 said that, like, I didn't know what to say. You know, 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:21.800 I have I have words for any type of any situation. 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:25.040 I mean, I can you know, talk and articulate my 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:27.280 feelings at any moment in any time, and I did, 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:29.640 I had no I didn't know what to say, and 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:31.840 I honestly, I don't even think she realized that it 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:34.360 was so much commotion going on and so many people 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:36.480 thronging her and wanting to be in her space. I 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:40.400 literally that kind of just back and got out of 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:44.520 there because it just hit me. It just hit me 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:49.200 in such a grazy place, and so um, you know, 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:53.960 that conversation was was was, I don't I don't know 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:58.160 what that's gonna do to moving forward, right um. And 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:02.240 then even for that, I have a conversation with DJ 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:06.680 Drama and I'm just you know, I'm quizzing DJ Drama about, 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:08.600 you know, the success of his label and how he's 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:11.280 been able to do it for so long and building 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:14.360 artists and all these things, you know, because I really 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:16.960 want to break artists and DJ Drama that that's what 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:22.440 he does. And he was like, yeah, but this retiring thing, yeah, 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:26.640 that's not that's that's that's not it. And he was like, 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:29.240 he was like, you have to maintain the platform because 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:33.280 that platform is everything in terms of you helping your 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:36.440 artists or the next generation of artists, Like that platform 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:39.520 has to be maintained. We can't lose that platform. And 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:42.560 I was like, you know, I heard him at the time, 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:44.880 and I'm I'm still just push him in retirement and still, 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:47.360 and then Anita comes behind and says, we can't lose you, 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:53.440 and I'm like Jesus Christ, yeah, because for me, it's 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:57.320 like no, I know that's how everything, but not everybody 0:16:57.320 --> 0:17:01.160 would take it that way for every artist. Some artists 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:03.680 can say you be like, Okay, God, bless good night, 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:07.680 thanks for letting us know. But for you, I think 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:12.320 it's important that that is understood, that that place, that throne, 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:18.120 that's that you've built and created, that's for you. It's 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:20.800 like I would love to sit here and be like 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:24.280 or so about their ensinment as friends, you know, but 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:27.480 I can't say that your fans are happy to hear that. 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:30.399 That doesn't feel good because you have to think about 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:33.080 what R and B feels like to you. There's no 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:35.760 other music. I love all genres. I'm a child of 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:38.920 a musician. I love I love every piece of every 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:42.119 genre of music. But there's no music that makes us 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:45.560 feel like R and B. It's rhythm and blues. It 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:51.560 derives from everything our people created whether it's jazz blues, 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:54.600 like it derives from everything that who we are, it's 0:17:54.640 --> 0:18:00.600 our soul. So it's like the general And then right 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:02.280 now is such a crazy time in the R and 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:05.280 B world because it's such a fight right now for 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:08.680 everybody to say Army still alive, Army is dead. Everybody 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:10.640 has an opinion about R and B. And now you're 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:13.280 like on the forefront of trying to save R and 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:16.320 make it what it's supposed to be and bring it 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:18.520 back to what it should be. So it's like the 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:21.320 moment you decide that you kind of want to be 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:24.439 done or walk away from it. It's like in the 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:26.920 middle of that, in the middle of the war, it's 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:38.680 like Jamika Mallory saying she's not gonna do the woman's marching. Yeah, 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:43.480 it's I encourage all sides and I know that the 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:46.439 heart is right to really save R and B. From 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:49.720 a even a resource standpoint, like there's so much to work, 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:52.320 the Tank brand to work, the Tank music, to work 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:56.000 that that maybe it's a feeling or I'm asking you, 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:59.960 is it well, how can I also build for other artists? 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:02.000 Is if I have to still put so much work, 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:05.520 you're only human. I think I just have to I 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:08.200 have to manage my time better. It's hard to do that, 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:10.960 and it's hard to do that because, you know, but 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:15.119 I think that my mindset, being kind of in a 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:20.639 retirement space, has already given me UM has already given 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:24.760 me the fuel to to move forward really on building 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:27.959 you know what I'm saying, and grabbing and nurturing and 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:32.000 then and then figuring out a time for myself, you 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:33.800 know what I'm saying. So I think it's really just 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:36.920 going to be about, you know, trying to figure out 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:38.800 how to manage that time better because it's been so 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:42.560 all about me. Yeah, that I don't want it to 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:45.400 be that because I don't feel like I don't feel 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:47.359 like one person is going to save R and B. 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:50.560 I feel like the collective is. And I mass some 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:52.960 saying safe because R and B is is a lie. 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:55.480 It's saved. But to get R and B back to 0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:59.280 its prominence, it's going to take all of us. It's 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:01.880 going to take people feel though, well, I mean, it's 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:06.480 going to take the people who make people feel you 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:09.320 know what I'm saying, come together a great conversation with 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:14.560 with with usher and and like it's his like his 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:22.200 passion about R and B music is just hearing hearing 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:24.560 him say it, having a take from him. I can't 0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:28.359 give you everything, but hearing that conversation from him was 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:32.879 crazy because you you I heard him like this, R 0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:35.959 and B is my ship. Like I heard a different 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:41.600 usher than I've ever heard in public or in an 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:46.240 interview or anywhere. Like I saw I saw oh man, 0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:50.000 I saw knowledge. I believe for this ship. I saw 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:54.679 that ussher and so that gave me more fuel. Like 0:20:55.960 --> 0:21:12.159 that's listen, listening, and we have to that those are 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:15.280 the moments we need, like you know, yeah, it is 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:21.160 U shirt, Um, it is Chris, it is Jasmine, it 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:25.600 is her. You know, it's it's all of us trying 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:29.119 to figure out together. I think R and B is 0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:32.520 always they always pick one person out of the choir. 0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:36.640 They always grab one person out of the group. Always 0:21:36.640 --> 0:21:39.920 grab and so that's how we kind of always live 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:54.040 out our careers as that one person. You know, I 0:21:54.080 --> 0:21:55.520 want to I want to stay on it for a 0:21:55.520 --> 0:21:59.680 minute because so so back say nineties, right, let's take 0:21:59.720 --> 0:22:03.160 it back to our nineties time where there were so 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:08.080 many girl groups. I mean they were like ten girls time. 0:22:08.080 --> 0:22:09.840 But we're not talking about just like s W v 0:22:09.960 --> 0:22:14.960 TLC the main we're talking about. You know, there's so 0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:18.840 many browns, so you keep going, there's so many girl groups. 0:22:19.000 --> 0:22:22.720 Do you feel that, Well, here's my theory, but here's 0:22:22.720 --> 0:22:24.679 the truth. And I'm just gonna say the truth. I 0:22:24.720 --> 0:22:29.920 feel like Beyonce made girl groups obsolete because once Destiny's Child, 0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:33.639 Beyonce went Beyonce and we said, wait a minute, what 0:22:33.760 --> 0:22:38.160 is that? And that's out of a group. It almost 0:22:38.240 --> 0:22:42.639 was like you didn't see girl groups to me in 0:22:42.680 --> 0:22:48.600 the same light anymore, because it was like, Beyonce, come 0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:51.560 from a group, you finish. But I'm gonna add to that. Yeah, 0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:53.560 you know, I'm just saying, like, you know, we had 0:22:53.600 --> 0:22:55.560 Danity Kane, which I think was a really good I 0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:57.960 love it. I love Danity Kane. I think that they 0:22:57.960 --> 0:23:02.240 can all sing right, um. But I'm saying not to say, 0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:05.159 you know, male groups, girl groups groups who are a 0:23:05.160 --> 0:23:08.000 big part of our R and B heart and like 0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:11.919 the build up it as well, alongside with incredible solo 0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:16.359 acts as yourself in the future is does that even 0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:19.200 have a place that that? Did that play a role 0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:21.960 in where R and B kind of went as well? Well? 0:23:22.440 --> 0:23:26.960 To to jump into that. I think that it's all 0:23:28.080 --> 0:23:31.280 like we all like to speak about the bigger agenda 0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:33.240 and they and all these other things. Right, I won't 0:23:33.280 --> 0:23:35.119 get into that part of it. I'll speak from the 0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:40.640 business standpoint and from an economical standpoint. When you see 0:23:41.080 --> 0:23:44.000 when you see Beyonce have the success that she has 0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:47.240 on her own, I mind you, Uh, Destiny's Child is 0:23:47.240 --> 0:23:52.760 the highest selling times right, so there's they did great 0:23:52.800 --> 0:23:56.720 in economics. But you also a business person will say, well, 0:23:56.800 --> 0:23:59.879 look what we did with Beyonce, which is one person, 0:24:00.640 --> 0:24:02.240 you know what I'm saying, and that and and let's 0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:06.280 cut out. We didn't have to do two more first 0:24:06.280 --> 0:24:09.080 class tickets, we didn't have to do glam for two 0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:12.200 more people. We didn't have to do wow. Okay, so 0:24:12.280 --> 0:24:17.840 maybe we should just be looking for Beyonce's just economically, 0:24:18.680 --> 0:24:20.800 you know what I'm saying, just based on the success 0:24:20.840 --> 0:24:23.840 of you know, you know, because everybody's chasing lightning in 0:24:23.880 --> 0:24:28.800 the bottom, which is right, and so the economics of 0:24:28.840 --> 0:24:31.639 a thing, even with solo artists, you know what I'm saying, 0:24:31.880 --> 0:24:34.960 And so R and B of course back in those 0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:38.399 group days was more expensive and what we didn't figure 0:24:38.440 --> 0:24:42.160 out how to do is how to make it economical 0:24:42.320 --> 0:24:47.760 in two budgets aren't the same, and artist development department 0:24:47.840 --> 0:24:53.600 is no longer. Back in the day, the artist development 0:24:53.760 --> 0:24:57.240 started in church, you know what I'm saying, or on 0:24:57.280 --> 0:24:59.639 the street corner, you know what I'm saying, where you 0:24:59.680 --> 0:25:01.560 were saying and every day on the street corner with 0:25:01.680 --> 0:25:03.719 your guys, you know what I'm saying, Or you were 0:25:03.760 --> 0:25:06.400 singing in the bathroom and high school with your guys, 0:25:06.760 --> 0:25:09.080 or all of y'all went to the same church saying 0:25:09.119 --> 0:25:11.480 in the same choir, seemed the same group. So from 0:25:11.520 --> 0:25:13.520 a vocal standpoint, you know what I'm saying, in a 0:25:13.640 --> 0:25:17.080 unity standpoint that was built there. When you got to 0:25:17.160 --> 0:25:21.320 a label, then how to be an artist was developed, right. 0:25:21.440 --> 0:25:28.240 But everything now it's for for his damn self records. 0:25:30.080 --> 0:25:34.080 Everybody's solo minded. Everybody is about what makes me happy. 0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:39.439 Everybody's like what I'm on And if it doesn't satisfy 0:25:39.720 --> 0:25:41.920 or if it's it, if it if it isn't instantly 0:25:42.000 --> 0:25:45.000 gratifying to me, I'm out and I'm gonna go find 0:25:45.000 --> 0:25:48.800 the thing that is. So as we are in this 0:25:48.880 --> 0:25:51.800 instant world and we're talking about groups to take time, 0:25:54.280 --> 0:26:00.760 it takes even from even from being a dancer in 0:26:00.760 --> 0:26:03.400 the business. There were so many artists in groups that 0:26:03.800 --> 0:26:06.000 I got hired to be a part of for artist development. 0:26:06.160 --> 0:26:08.720 And you're in the studio. It's ship that's never seen 0:26:09.000 --> 0:26:12.080 any else. But you're in the studio working their ass 0:26:12.119 --> 0:26:14.320 up eight hours a day, sixty eight hours a day. 0:26:14.440 --> 0:26:17.440 I don't even hear anybody doing that anymore, like just 0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:20.640 working on it. Can we also give some real fingersnaps 0:26:20.640 --> 0:26:23.680 and handclaps to was to to to the dancer world 0:26:23.680 --> 0:26:28.280 of Waszina has also brought to the dancer world pioneer 0:26:29.200 --> 0:26:32.239 and really pioneered, because you know, it's easy for you 0:26:32.320 --> 0:26:36.159 to say, oh, you know what, also dancer, let's but 0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:40.040 let's actually let's place it where really is. We're not 0:26:40.119 --> 0:26:43.080 talking about and no disrespect any video girls or vixens 0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:45.679 or anything like that. I love the art in any form, 0:26:45.800 --> 0:26:48.199 so let's let's not take it out of context. That 0:26:48.280 --> 0:26:50.520 was both but no, yeah, but what I'm saying is, 0:26:50.600 --> 0:26:53.719 but it was your art. It was art that you 0:26:53.760 --> 0:26:57.560 were creating. And for say, like my first love was dance, 0:26:57.600 --> 0:26:59.760 which people wouldn't know, you know what I mean. When 0:26:59.760 --> 0:27:02.400 I was a little girl, always dance dancing. All my 0:27:02.520 --> 0:27:06.680 dance like partners are all big choreographers and everything. Now, 0:27:06.760 --> 0:27:11.159 So what you created and open doors for young girls 0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:13.760 to come in and dance and create and build a 0:27:13.880 --> 0:27:16.320 career from that, you know, And that had a lot 0:27:16.359 --> 0:27:19.000 to do with the success of artists like yourself. You 0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:21.680 had to book dancers you can't to see on that day, 0:27:22.240 --> 0:27:26.119 and yeah, that's how but that's but that's a big 0:27:26.160 --> 0:27:29.119 part of even like this conversation about artists development and 0:27:29.119 --> 0:27:32.800 what it takes to create something. Yeah, ten days. When 0:27:32.840 --> 0:27:36.720 I got hired to do his video, they were like, Okay, 0:27:36.720 --> 0:27:39.760 we're gonna have ten days rehearsal, one day video shoot. 0:27:39.760 --> 0:27:41.560 I was like tenda's rehearsal. I was like, oh, he 0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:46.920 doesn't have a budget. But I wasn't ten days of rehearsal. 0:27:46.920 --> 0:27:49.480 It was like, how many dancers do we have? It's 0:27:49.520 --> 0:27:51.880 really it's like ten to twelve girls something like that. 0:27:51.960 --> 0:27:55.879 No way I was dancing, we was up at I 0:27:57.560 --> 0:28:00.159 I was trying to get my my usher brown on. 0:28:01.040 --> 0:28:04.600 That's what was going on. Chris Raymond. Even back then though, 0:28:04.640 --> 0:28:07.600 for an R and B artist to have tender dancers 0:28:07.960 --> 0:28:09.679 and be in there with the dancers like a lot 0:28:09.720 --> 0:28:12.040 of people weren't doing that then, and he was really 0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:15.160 giving his all doing what are you smiling? Because it's 0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:18.800 so cute to you. It does say he want to 0:28:18.880 --> 0:28:23.240 be a dancer, so Bader. You know what made me 0:28:23.320 --> 0:28:26.959 stop dancing when the song didn't work? Okay, and I 0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:31.800 felt like my dancing I had something almost going his career. 0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:35.800 I felt like I felt like I was dancing good. 0:28:36.240 --> 0:28:38.840 I was dancing great, I was doing somersaults. Everything was 0:28:38.880 --> 0:28:44.200 great into that, but but when it didn't work, that 0:28:44.560 --> 0:28:47.560 entire thing for me just felt like a bad place, 0:28:48.040 --> 0:28:51.640 and I just stopped dancing. Period. But now, when you're 0:28:51.680 --> 0:28:56.480 on stage, like you gotta groove front of them all 0:28:56.520 --> 0:28:58.960 the time, but I can say, like i'd be jamming 0:28:58.960 --> 0:29:00.560 with you when you're on say to make sure he 0:29:00.600 --> 0:29:04.600 got it, I gotta did, Bob, and you do jam 0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:10.560 with him because are you recording with no? He looks 0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:13.480 great on stage, Like he carries himself so good on stage, 0:29:13.520 --> 0:29:17.160 almost as if he's in the studio, likely in rehearsaling somebody, 0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:23.160 but he's not. He's by himself. Oh, he's beyond always 0:29:23.240 --> 0:29:29.880 rehearsing in my mind. Interesting, tell me about like I 0:29:30.000 --> 0:29:31.840 drive most of the times when I drive, especially when 0:29:31.880 --> 0:29:34.680 I'm by myself, I don't play the music. So when 0:29:34.680 --> 0:29:36.719 i'm driving or when I have those quiet times, when 0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:40.920 I'm able to have those quiet times, I'm visualizing. I'm 0:29:41.000 --> 0:29:45.600 visualizing everything, Like if if Javon sends me the setness, 0:29:46.080 --> 0:29:49.880 then I'm visualized interesting. I'm so I'm gonna say this 0:29:50.400 --> 0:29:53.520 and then and I'm gonna do that and then and then, 0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:56.480 and I go over to my head and I make 0:29:56.520 --> 0:29:58.840 sure I have it downpacked perfect, Like every time you 0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:03.800 see me on stage, I'm going to do pretty much 0:30:04.840 --> 0:30:09.840 the same thing every night, with slight variations based on 0:30:09.920 --> 0:30:13.280 the energy in the room. But I'm very methodical and 0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:16.960 very intentional with everything that I do on stage. You 0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:18.560 know what I'm saying, So that I know where to 0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:20.640 be when the lights do this, and I know where 0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:22.480 to be when the band hits this. I know where 0:30:22.480 --> 0:30:25.320 to be, like I know where to be. You know 0:30:25.320 --> 0:30:28.680 what I'm saying from artists now, because it's like you 0:30:28.760 --> 0:30:33.160 go back to what rehearsals, Like I've rehearsed so much 0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:36.080 so we're now in my mind. Now, in my mind, 0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:39.040 I can I can build it. And once I build 0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:42.720 it in my mind, my my my, my body turns 0:30:42.760 --> 0:30:44.800 it out. I know what it is like what I 0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:47.960 whatever I was visualizing on Friday, when I get to 0:30:48.000 --> 0:30:49.960 the stage on Saturday, I'm going to do exactly that. 0:30:50.960 --> 0:30:53.840 You know what I'm saying. But that's from first having 0:30:53.840 --> 0:30:58.560 all those years rehearsal and artists development and understanding UM 0:30:58.600 --> 0:31:01.600 and understanding show in placement, you know what I'm saying, 0:31:01.600 --> 0:31:04.760 and all of those things UM and being groomed right 0:31:04.800 --> 0:31:08.920 like so um. We can't have those groups. We would 0:31:08.920 --> 0:31:11.080 turn all the way back to that. We can't have groups. 0:31:11.800 --> 0:31:16.240 We just have to We just have to get people 0:31:16.440 --> 0:31:20.160 who who have been together. Yeah, I want to say, 0:31:20.200 --> 0:31:22.560 I feel like they have to be organic. They can't 0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:29.800 get together groups that are people that they have their 0:31:29.920 --> 0:31:35.480 own relationship that's not based on the business. It's not 0:31:35.600 --> 0:31:39.560 based on the money, that's not based on together. They 0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:44.400 have their own because because when you have that, you've 0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:52.320 argued before before, you've had your differences, but you're still 0:31:52.400 --> 0:32:00.640 together and that will carry over into you're doing record 0:32:00.640 --> 0:32:03.480 company business. The thing that you'll stick to is each 0:32:03.480 --> 0:32:06.800 other because well, you're gonna you're gonna talk about my 0:32:07.360 --> 0:32:09.000 you know what I'm saying, It's not a group member. 0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:10.800 You ain't gonna talk about my sister like that, Like 0:32:11.080 --> 0:32:12.360 like what you're saying, like what you own? You know 0:32:12.400 --> 0:32:15.280 what I'm saying, Like we're together. It's that bond that 0:32:15.920 --> 0:32:18.640 we gotta find. And so if there are groups out 0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:22.760 there that are groups already and not trying to be 0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:25.960 groups for the bag, those groups will work because then 0:32:27.200 --> 0:32:30.760 again they'll understand the economic of it. Listen, this isn't 0:32:30.800 --> 0:32:33.840 the days of being able to get everybody a hundred 0:32:33.880 --> 0:32:36.640 thousand dollar advanced and then have a three or four 0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:39.800 thousand dollar budget to go along with it. No, we 0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:43.120 ma can only get each person a thirty thousand all 0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:47.160 advance ord all advanced, and then we may only be 0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:50.840 able to get to fifty to do the album and 0:32:50.960 --> 0:32:53.760 do album packaging, know what I'm saying, and then possibly 0:32:53.760 --> 0:32:56.400 get some sponsorship, you know, a liquor sponsor or some 0:32:56.440 --> 0:33:00.080 other sponsor to help get the visuals done and and 0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:02.240 and to and to run up for social media program 0:33:02.280 --> 0:33:05.920 like all those things. It has to be economical, right, 0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:09.800 because that's the business that we're in. Like, people don't 0:33:09.800 --> 0:33:11.920 even understand how much artists used to have to recoup 0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:13.960 back in the day. Oh my god, like, I don't 0:33:13.960 --> 0:33:22.200 think anybody understands we were spending a yeah, they got 0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:26.520 that advanceing. I got to recoup this first. Before I 0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:37.960 came out the gate, I was I was maybe one 0:33:37.960 --> 0:33:43.720 point five maybe one point five, maybe a little over 0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:49.440 in the whole before I came out the gate. M 0:33:50.480 --> 0:33:52.720 in the whole. That's a lot of money. And I 0:33:52.800 --> 0:33:56.120 know numbers are thrown around and people don't understand that's 0:33:56.160 --> 0:33:59.560 a lot of money I had to pay back. We 0:33:59.600 --> 0:34:03.680 need that back all people need to understand what regroup 0:34:03.720 --> 0:34:12.600 me against earth. Yeah, so you know we aren't living 0:34:12.600 --> 0:34:15.000 in those We aren't living in those times anymore. We 0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:18.520 aren't living in you know. But that's what you know. 0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:23.160 That's what my time away from the artist space is 0:34:23.200 --> 0:34:27.000 what I want to be able to develop and be 0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:33.920 able to teach the new artists coming into the game. Question, yes, 0:34:35.880 --> 0:34:40.840 Tanks number one album chart wise? Is what number one 0:34:40.840 --> 0:34:44.399 album chart wise? I think I had just stop selling album. 0:34:44.560 --> 0:34:48.000 I mean now I'm starting the album single chart wise. 0:34:49.040 --> 0:34:55.680 When we was Tanks number one song to himself, if 0:34:55.680 --> 0:34:57.600 you could have said that should have been my number 0:34:57.600 --> 0:35:01.080 one song, even though when we I'm gonna tell you 0:35:01.080 --> 0:35:04.120 a song that should have been my number one I'm 0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:06.960 trying to figure out the song should have been my 0:35:07.040 --> 0:35:11.359 number one song that I think would have. I mean, 0:35:11.400 --> 0:35:13.759 I've I've done well. Yes, I've done well. I'm still 0:35:13.800 --> 0:35:18.200 doing well. But I think would have. I don't know, 0:35:19.640 --> 0:35:23.399 but this might have done something crazy and I don't 0:35:23.440 --> 0:35:27.040 I might have. I might have went somewhere else. Um 0:35:27.280 --> 0:35:32.400 celebration featuring Dre, that's your song? Well, how did that 0:35:32.440 --> 0:35:36.200 song get Tickere? Let me tell you something. You said 0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:42.319 that's my song. I love that song. That's no your song. 0:35:42.360 --> 0:35:46.520 I'm saying. That's what she's saying, number one, number one 0:35:46.520 --> 0:35:49.120 song in terms of the song that I think could 0:35:49.160 --> 0:35:54.200 have outdone everything all of my songs. Right, Like, Drake 0:35:54.320 --> 0:36:01.160 is on fire. He's you know what's fair? He always 0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:05.520 but but he's on fire. Okay's fire And he and 0:36:05.680 --> 0:36:07.239 we get on the phone. He's like, bro, I'm a 0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:09.440 big fan man. That's sex love in pain. And I 0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:12.200 was like, because she actually introduced me to Drake, who 0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:16.360 got who got him? On Celebration? I okay, must have 0:36:16.400 --> 0:36:25.319 been you. You want to pa, go ahead, get your 0:36:25.320 --> 0:36:28.320 shoulder one time. We're here, Yeah, hit your should on 0:36:28.400 --> 0:36:36.799 one time? He did late for late. Hey, I don't 0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:39.799 even think I knew that. So yeah, it was the time. 0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:44.359 So you you introduced me to Drake because I didn't 0:36:44.400 --> 0:36:47.200 know who Drake was. No, I didn't know Drake. I 0:36:47.239 --> 0:36:52.880 induced to the music. So I go, clear up, we 0:36:52.960 --> 0:36:56.359 have a pass here. So so I go to her 0:36:56.400 --> 0:36:59.040 house and she's like, oh, this dude, this dude call 0:36:59.120 --> 0:37:01.399 me out on the song like it's it's crazy here 0:37:01.400 --> 0:37:04.680 and I'm like what song and say loving pain Baby. 0:37:05.560 --> 0:37:10.439 I was like he's like yeah right, I'm like he's 0:37:10.719 --> 0:37:13.919 doing and so like even from that song, that song 0:37:14.000 --> 0:37:17.600 coming out, my walkthroughs went out. All of a sudden, 0:37:17.600 --> 0:37:22.080 I was in the club, thank you wanna you're trying 0:37:22.120 --> 0:37:25.040 you want to host your my hosting club st That's 0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:31.160 like I'm bad, I'm back right, And so get in 0:37:31.200 --> 0:37:34.520 contact with your ache and he's like, I'm a man, 0:37:34.560 --> 0:37:37.359 I'm a big fan. Man. Me and my guys love 0:37:37.440 --> 0:37:39.719 the sex stuff and pain. If you ever need me 0:37:39.760 --> 0:37:49.520 on anything, just say the word see this. We get 0:37:49.520 --> 0:37:52.120 off this. I don't know him to do this, but 0:37:53.400 --> 0:37:58.799 and I didn't have a song. I said, I'll send 0:37:58.800 --> 0:38:02.279 you one. I'll send you one. And the first song 0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:06.080 I sent him with sex music, and I sent him 0:38:06.080 --> 0:38:09.359 sex music and he was like, he's like, he's like, 0:38:09.400 --> 0:38:12.839 I like it, but I don't think that's the one. 0:38:13.480 --> 0:38:16.799 And I was like, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, don't 0:38:16.840 --> 0:38:24.040 work because I don't go draw right. So so so 0:38:24.200 --> 0:38:30.000 I went back and the stereotypes had given me a track, right, 0:38:30.880 --> 0:38:35.640 and this track was so crazy that sometimes I get 0:38:35.640 --> 0:38:39.560 a track and it's so it's just it's so amazing 0:38:39.600 --> 0:38:43.560 to me that I I'm so into the music that 0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:47.600 I can't find the journey that that's supposed to lay 0:38:47.600 --> 0:38:50.120 on top of. I can't find it. And I literally 0:38:50.560 --> 0:38:52.759 listened to that track and I took that track with 0:38:52.840 --> 0:38:55.480 me to Miami. I remember this vividly, and I remember 0:38:55.520 --> 0:39:00.839 sitting on on the I'm sitting on the balcony at 0:39:00.960 --> 0:39:06.399 night and I'm looping this track. I'm looping it. I'm 0:39:06.480 --> 0:39:11.560 just with a beverage over and over. I'm so in 0:39:11.560 --> 0:39:14.280 love with the music. I can't find the journey. So 0:39:14.680 --> 0:39:16.200 I finally get back to l A. I think it 0:39:16.239 --> 0:39:18.799 was on like A just maybe A doing a couple 0:39:18.840 --> 0:39:21.840 of dates or something. I finally get back to l A. 0:39:22.400 --> 0:39:24.320 And this is when we're working in an Underdogs building 0:39:24.640 --> 0:39:29.360 on on violence and m So I go up to 0:39:29.400 --> 0:39:33.640 our room and uh and Jay is sitting there and 0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:35.640 I'm like, I'm like, Jay, this track has just been 0:39:35.800 --> 0:39:38.759 can't it's been killing me. I was like, I just 0:39:38.800 --> 0:39:41.759 can't find I can't find it. And so he's like, 0:39:41.840 --> 0:39:44.000 you said play it, play it. So I play it 0:39:45.360 --> 0:39:48.839 and JB was listening to he said it just it 0:39:48.880 --> 0:39:51.160 feels like a celebration, like it just. I said, that's it. 0:39:51.160 --> 0:39:54.279 Turned it, my go turn it on and said, that's it. 0:39:55.760 --> 0:39:59.240 That's it. At the bottom of that phones any baby, 0:39:59.400 --> 0:40:03.399 egn sell to think it's your birthday baby. He'll sell 0:40:03.480 --> 0:40:06.960 him probably after party. I can't wait to sell him 0:40:07.440 --> 0:40:12.840 all the party. And then I said, oh, he's gonna 0:40:12.960 --> 0:40:15.319 love this one because this is it. I can't wait 0:40:15.360 --> 0:40:19.440 to send this one to the boy. Yes to the boys. 0:40:20.040 --> 0:40:24.080 And I sent that with to Drake and he said, yes, sir, yeah, 0:40:24.120 --> 0:40:27.160 this is it. He said, I got you on it. Now. 0:40:27.160 --> 0:40:30.320 You gotta be patient when you get these Drake versions. Okay, 0:40:30.400 --> 0:40:42.200 you gotta be patient. You know, chick, I see you 0:40:42.239 --> 0:40:45.799 moving away right, you know what I got see you 0:40:46.760 --> 0:40:50.200 Christ and I let you. I let your boy when 0:40:50.200 --> 0:40:52.239 if you get a minute. You don't want to press, 0:40:52.280 --> 0:40:55.239 you don't want to stress. You want to gotta be 0:40:55.320 --> 0:40:56.880 nice about you, gotta be patient when you trying to 0:40:56.880 --> 0:41:00.560 get the Drake burst now and uh and sent his 0:41:00.719 --> 0:41:04.799 verse back. When he sent his verse back, the thing 0:41:04.880 --> 0:41:11.560 that was most impressive about his verse was him asking me, hey, man, like, 0:41:11.800 --> 0:41:13.200 do you like it? And if you if you don't 0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:14.640 like it, man, just let me know. I can redo 0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:23.400 any of it. And I was like, what what? No? What? Right? Like, 0:41:21.880 --> 0:41:27.200 he's Drake. You can drop a verse off and not 0:41:27.360 --> 0:41:39.040 say nothing. He can, he can do that, but the 0:41:39.200 --> 0:41:41.040 verse is so crazy. I was like, you are out 0:41:41.080 --> 0:41:45.239 of control. You're out of control, right, take this to 0:41:45.280 --> 0:41:50.759 the label. We have not only at Drake, not only 0:41:50.760 --> 0:41:54.640 a Drake feature. We have a Drake feature for the 0:41:54.719 --> 0:41:59.120 love and now. Yeah, it was I couldn't afford a 0:41:59.239 --> 0:42:03.560 Drake feature. No, I couldn't afford it. I had a 0:42:03.640 --> 0:42:10.800 Drake feature for the love. He respected you in your music, 0:42:11.640 --> 0:42:17.920 so I'll go to But I said, listen, this is 0:42:18.920 --> 0:42:27.719 I don't have to and unfortunately berg Man wouldn't clear 0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:33.239 him at the time. Is that what happened? And I 0:42:33.280 --> 0:42:39.200 think I think for a while he thought I just 0:42:39.360 --> 0:42:41.640 got a verse from him and didn't put it out. 0:42:42.120 --> 0:42:45.840 I think that he thought that, yeah, And I remember 0:42:45.880 --> 0:42:48.200 having a conversation, I said, I said, he said, man, 0:42:48.239 --> 0:42:49.640 you got the whole thing. And you know what I'm 0:42:49.640 --> 0:42:52.160 saying that you just kind of settled, I said. I said, 0:42:52.160 --> 0:42:56.400 I did not. I argued in my record company, like 0:42:56.440 --> 0:43:00.600 I said, with shout out to Junic Ringwall, shoutut um. 0:43:00.680 --> 0:43:02.719 And they were like, what do you want to go 0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:05.600 with next? And I said celebration? Yeah, this this is 0:43:05.640 --> 0:43:08.319 the next celebration, is it? And they were like, we 0:43:08.360 --> 0:43:10.720 don't have the clearance. Think. I was like, I don't care, 0:43:11.360 --> 0:43:14.399 don't they were and they were like that's not how 0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:17.600 are legal works? And they were like they were like 0:43:17.640 --> 0:43:19.319 I was like, they were like we we have tried 0:43:19.400 --> 0:43:21.680 to get the clearance. We cannot get the clearance. So 0:43:21.719 --> 0:43:23.200 he said no, or he just wouldn't get back to 0:43:23.200 --> 0:43:25.560 the burn Man, wouldn't you know, That's what I'm saying. 0:43:26.080 --> 0:43:27.880 He said no, or he just did not know this. 0:43:27.960 --> 0:43:31.120 Can we go back? And I've I've never gotten around 0:43:31.200 --> 0:43:37.400 to asking Burdman. You know, you gotta ask Bergman nicely. 0:43:37.440 --> 0:43:41.960 You can't respect you gotta you gotta put respect on it. 0:43:47.160 --> 0:43:50.320 He was calling you man and um, but we couldn't 0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:53.000 get that clearance and what ended up heavy time though. 0:43:53.000 --> 0:43:55.640 I'm just now thinking about the time that emergency and 0:43:56.320 --> 0:43:58.840 I can't make you love me. I mean, yeah, I 0:43:58.880 --> 0:44:01.279 can't make you let me. Those songs dropped, but I 0:44:01.280 --> 0:44:07.360 feel like after celebration, those songs would have hit way interested. 0:44:08.040 --> 0:44:12.319 Those songs would have hit way different. And and that's that. 0:44:12.480 --> 0:44:15.200 That to me, that's my number one song that never 0:44:15.719 --> 0:44:21.160 went number one. And they're like and they're like, I'll 0:44:21.200 --> 0:44:23.640 see Drake right and here'll be like this. We gotta 0:44:23.680 --> 0:44:33.560 get one. It's like, when stop saying this to me 0:44:34.840 --> 0:44:42.000 because I get together together down Let's just leave the party. 0:44:42.440 --> 0:44:47.480 Let's just leave the party right down the studio to you. 0:44:48.480 --> 0:44:52.680 What do you mean? Oh my god? He said it 0:44:52.760 --> 0:44:56.799 like three times, so we have to do that every 0:44:56.800 --> 0:44:58.640 time he says it. And every time he says that, 0:44:58.680 --> 0:45:03.440 I get excited. That's baby said, we're gonna get one. 0:45:03.719 --> 0:45:13.600 Light up, come on, man. Like a couple of calls, 0:45:24.760 --> 0:45:38.000 what is your most meaningful album? Great most meaningful album? Wow, 0:45:39.280 --> 0:45:46.480 they're all my babies, They're all my babies. Sex c 0:45:46.480 --> 0:45:52.680 louth In Pain Sex Love in Pain is probably my 0:45:52.800 --> 0:46:00.120 most meaningful album because, um, first I have been on 0:46:00.160 --> 0:46:05.200 the bench, and then due to how much time had elapsed, 0:46:05.239 --> 0:46:09.040 I've been written off m hm. So you know, I 0:46:09.120 --> 0:46:12.200 kind of got forced into writing and producing for so 0:46:12.239 --> 0:46:18.439 many people because I died off as an artist and 0:46:18.480 --> 0:46:21.680 I needed to feed my kids. I'm saying I didn't 0:46:21.719 --> 0:46:23.800 have any other choice. That wasn't the space I wanted 0:46:23.840 --> 0:46:25.320 to be in, but the space I had to be in, 0:46:25.360 --> 0:46:29.040 which ended up being a major blessing in disguise, right 0:46:29.719 --> 0:46:35.719 m hmm. And when when we were getting ready to 0:46:35.760 --> 0:46:39.759 put this album out a few things happened. You were 0:46:40.960 --> 0:46:44.279 there for everything m hm. Shout out to my O 0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:47.480 G Fats, who says, man, I got some guys. If 0:46:47.520 --> 0:46:49.759 they're not gonna play us, I got some guys that 0:46:49.800 --> 0:46:51.279 will get us in the game and put the money 0:46:51.280 --> 0:46:56.360 behind us. It comes BMF. So Z, Me and Z 0:46:56.520 --> 0:46:59.800 actually fly down to Miami with Fats to go to 0:47:00.040 --> 0:47:02.040 one of the guy's birthday party and being Meth to 0:47:02.120 --> 0:47:06.239 be introduced to be Math and so can you give 0:47:06.239 --> 0:47:16.920 a year on this two thousand and five or yeah, 0:47:16.960 --> 0:47:19.080 So we go down there and meet the guys and 0:47:19.120 --> 0:47:22.759 they're like, here you with us. But even before that, 0:47:23.600 --> 0:47:26.600 Harvey walks up to me and says, we should make 0:47:26.640 --> 0:47:29.920 a Tank album, Like why would we do that? So 0:47:30.680 --> 0:47:32.920 we just should, like what do we have to lose? 0:47:33.000 --> 0:47:35.440 It was like remember I was like, man, they're not 0:47:35.480 --> 0:47:37.560 really working with me right now, like you said, so what, 0:47:37.800 --> 0:47:39.920 Let's just make some music. Like Hardy was just like that, 0:47:39.960 --> 0:47:43.719 Let's just make music, man, just make music. Let's just 0:47:43.760 --> 0:47:46.239 make music. Man so much, right, And so we just 0:47:46.239 --> 0:47:48.799 started working on bits and pieces, you know, of an album. 0:47:48.880 --> 0:47:52.800 And then incomes BMF and incomes BMF's money to fund 0:47:52.800 --> 0:47:57.360 the whole thing, and and you know, and then comes 0:47:58.440 --> 0:48:00.799 Barry Hankerson doubling back or around, like, hey, what's going 0:48:00.840 --> 0:48:06.319 on over there with my artists? That's what's going on. 0:48:07.800 --> 0:48:10.879 We have this uh, you know, record to present. At 0:48:10.880 --> 0:48:14.439 the time, we were being distributed by Motown. And when 0:48:14.440 --> 0:48:17.200 we turned when when Barry goes to play the Tank album, 0:48:17.200 --> 0:48:19.879 were we got Tank ready? Coming up? Blind up to drop? 0:48:20.719 --> 0:48:22.799 Someone says, why are we why are you? Why are 0:48:22.800 --> 0:48:29.279 we working on another Tank album? And I had been 0:48:29.280 --> 0:48:33.480 written off last album two thousand two, it's two thousand six. 0:48:34.640 --> 0:48:36.399 You didn't get that kind of time back then, unless 0:48:36.400 --> 0:48:41.000 you Janet Jackson. I wasn't Janet Jackson. Just be honest. 0:48:43.719 --> 0:48:51.400 I was, UM, so this album with my heart and 0:48:51.520 --> 0:48:57.719 soul like my real life, literally my real life. Like 0:48:58.560 --> 0:49:00.759 I went to the studio one of the songs when 0:49:00.760 --> 0:49:03.719 I first started working with the Underdogs, I went in 0:49:03.760 --> 0:49:06.959 as an artist to just get songs, and they wrote 0:49:06.960 --> 0:49:12.759 a song called the Wedding Song. And they didn't know me. 0:49:12.920 --> 0:49:15.919 They didn't really know me at all. They didn't know 0:49:16.400 --> 0:49:20.680 that they had just written a song about everything that 0:49:20.800 --> 0:49:25.680 I had just left behind at my house. They had 0:49:25.840 --> 0:49:28.239 written it and put it in a song. And I 0:49:28.280 --> 0:49:31.840 sat there and I had to stop myself from breaking 0:49:31.880 --> 0:49:35.239 down crying in front of these strangers, and I was like, 0:49:35.280 --> 0:49:37.000 what made you all write that? They were like, we 0:49:37.000 --> 0:49:38.640 were just feeling the vibe, you know what I'm saying. 0:49:38.640 --> 0:49:41.480 Like I was like, this you were you don't even 0:49:41.560 --> 0:49:44.600 understand what you just said and what you just did, 0:49:45.440 --> 0:49:49.080 right and so, and then other pieces of the album. 0:49:49.320 --> 0:49:52.880 You know what I'm saying. You know, we're about me, 0:49:52.920 --> 0:49:55.640 and this one right here, Heartbreaker was not about me. 0:49:57.040 --> 0:50:01.040 Z has made it clear Heartbreakers because everyone asked me 0:50:01.080 --> 0:50:04.480 that all the time. Heartbreaker kind of because I was 0:50:04.520 --> 0:50:06.759 there when you record me finished, because I didn't write 0:50:06.800 --> 0:50:09.839 the whole song by myself, so the pieces that I 0:50:09.880 --> 0:50:12.160 interject had a little bit to do with us, but 0:50:12.200 --> 0:50:14.840 it was me, Eric and Tony that wrote all of 0:50:14.880 --> 0:50:16.719 it together. So it was pieces of everybody's you know 0:50:16.760 --> 0:50:24.040 what I'm saying, but I hate you yeah yeah yeah, 0:50:25.560 --> 0:50:30.680 and then you wrote our wedding song. So it's so 0:50:30.760 --> 0:50:35.799 crazy because when the album came out, she called me. 0:50:35.880 --> 0:50:38.040 She said, she said, well, Ship, I might as well 0:50:38.080 --> 0:50:43.760 be in the video off the time, no, no, nothing, 0:50:43.760 --> 0:50:45.680 I got your sucking out. I might as well be 0:50:45.719 --> 0:50:54.839 in all the videos you always point records, um, so 0:50:54.960 --> 0:50:59.280 I think sex off in Pain, and then just the 0:50:59.280 --> 0:51:04.080 the influence of that album, like that album has spawned 0:51:05.239 --> 0:51:11.000 so many other R and B singers, songwriters and producers 0:51:11.040 --> 0:51:14.080 that I had no idea was listening. That's so many 0:51:14.080 --> 0:51:17.640 people's favorite album. I had no idea that that many people, 0:51:17.880 --> 0:51:20.560 you know, we're listening. I think the biggest one for 0:51:20.600 --> 0:51:23.640 me was when when Chris Brown was like, bro be 0:51:23.800 --> 0:51:26.560 my favorite, Like your vocals and all the si Cleving paint, 0:51:26.560 --> 0:51:28.759 its like that's it, that's the Bible, Like that's what 0:51:29.000 --> 0:51:30.960 I'm playing it right now. I go see Chris Brown 0:51:31.000 --> 0:51:34.640 of the sold out tour, the arena sold out, and 0:51:34.680 --> 0:51:37.640 I get on the bus and Secleving Paint is playing Yah, 0:51:37.719 --> 0:51:39.160 We've been playing this all day. This is what I play. 0:51:39.200 --> 0:51:40.719 I gotta get my get my focus right and get 0:51:41.000 --> 0:51:46.680 and then I'm like yeah, and I'm looking at and 0:51:46.800 --> 0:51:49.360 you know, a trade trade songs is like listen to that, 0:51:49.480 --> 0:51:51.760 to listen to that out for a whole summer, who 0:51:51.840 --> 0:51:56.440 summer and after that summer he comes with invented Sex 0:51:56.719 --> 0:51:59.200 and then say ah and goes to the stratosphere. You 0:51:59.239 --> 0:52:02.719 know what I'm saying. It's those moments for me, Like 0:52:03.680 --> 0:52:08.840 that album, Um, that album validated me in the musical 0:52:08.920 --> 0:52:12.280 universe in a in a way that I never imagined. 0:52:12.320 --> 0:52:14.440 It validated me in a way that I've only looked 0:52:14.440 --> 0:52:16.839 at people that I have. The way that I looked 0:52:16.840 --> 0:52:18.399 at baby Face, you know what I'm saying, The way 0:52:18.440 --> 0:52:20.600 that I looked at Keil's, the way that I looked 0:52:20.600 --> 0:52:22.520 at the Reverend John PIKEI the way that I looked 0:52:22.520 --> 0:52:25.840 at Kimberly, Like I only saw people that way. I 0:52:25.920 --> 0:52:30.960 never thought that people would see me that way, you know, 0:52:31.080 --> 0:52:34.640 And so save pain did that? I mean other great 0:52:34.760 --> 0:52:36.719 albums and moments after that, you know what I mean, 0:52:37.000 --> 0:52:41.040 especially from White writing our wedding song together and um, 0:52:41.080 --> 0:52:46.279 you know even like my stronger album, Stronger albums, the 0:52:46.280 --> 0:52:48.879 stronger album. Would you talk about how my kids can 0:52:48.880 --> 0:52:55.000 listen to that? Feting to end the only album with 0:52:55.040 --> 0:52:58.239 the stronger album, I'm gonna make just hold some R 0:52:58.280 --> 0:53:01.440 and B music listen, not take his sugar off for 0:53:01.560 --> 0:53:03.680 the whole album he did. I'm gonna go back to 0:53:03.719 --> 0:53:06.080 the basics. I'm gonna go get a lot strings, I'm 0:53:06.120 --> 0:53:09.840 gonna button it up, suiting all. I'm gonna be tasteful Tank, 0:53:10.120 --> 0:53:16.040 and it's gonna be tasteful Tank. And it was everybody 0:53:16.080 --> 0:53:29.360 was like, They're like, what is all the way to cud? 0:53:29.400 --> 0:53:32.279 You really listen to the songs on that album? Well, 0:53:32.320 --> 0:53:34.759 guess what I did in that that You're my star 0:53:34.840 --> 0:53:38.719 song in the year my star video I danced, m 0:53:40.320 --> 0:53:48.760 oh I never paid attention to that correlation. Don't dance, Okay, 0:53:49.520 --> 0:53:57.560 I'll do, I'll do. I'll do is my gift. And 0:53:57.640 --> 0:54:02.640 they said no, no, no, But that one wasn't bad. 0:54:04.280 --> 0:54:06.600 It doesn't, it doesn't. It's not saying it was bad. 0:54:07.560 --> 0:54:12.960 It just doesn't work. And so, but what I was 0:54:12.960 --> 0:54:15.960 saying about that album was that album was a combination 0:54:16.440 --> 0:54:23.359 of a breakup and being broken down and rekindling and 0:54:23.400 --> 0:54:26.600 being built back up. You see what I'm saying. Like 0:54:26.680 --> 0:54:29.919 that album was a crazy transition for me, going from 0:54:30.000 --> 0:54:33.799 out of that into this, you know what I'm saying. 0:54:33.880 --> 0:54:37.000 So Like the album had such sentimental value to me. 0:54:37.040 --> 0:54:40.400 I wanted it to work so bad for that reason. Um, 0:54:40.800 --> 0:54:43.000 but you know they you know, they wanted me to 0:54:43.040 --> 0:54:48.920 get back to the titties. You know what, whatever, we 0:54:48.920 --> 0:54:51.160 don't want to I'm happy right now. Guys. Okay, this 0:54:51.239 --> 0:54:55.480 guy is singing, show, this guy is singing. I don't 0:54:55.520 --> 0:54:59.440 get it. Show you can we talk about how I 0:54:59.520 --> 0:55:02.680 always tell you that. I always told him because he's like, yeah, 0:55:02.719 --> 0:55:04.759 I need dancers, I need singers, I need the lights, 0:55:04.760 --> 0:55:08.440 I need this. I'm like, you don't need anything. And 0:55:08.520 --> 0:55:10.359 I know he thinks I'm hating because I don't want 0:55:10.360 --> 0:55:15.839 to neverside me. But I'm always saying, I said, it's 0:55:15.880 --> 0:55:17.960 really rare that you see an R and B artist 0:55:18.000 --> 0:55:20.120 this day and age that can carry an entire show, 0:55:21.200 --> 0:55:25.920 carry an entire theater arena with him a piano, a mic, 0:55:26.000 --> 0:55:29.080 and a light and he doesn't need ship. And I 0:55:29.120 --> 0:55:31.279 say that to him all the time, like, I guess 0:55:31.280 --> 0:55:32.680 it makes sense even when you say it, like when 0:55:32.680 --> 0:55:36.319 you do you're dancing and it just doesn't work. Just 0:55:36.360 --> 0:55:40.839 say it's terrible. No, I'm not even like. The way 0:55:40.840 --> 0:55:44.399 that he carries an audience on stage is ridiculous. It's 0:55:44.840 --> 0:55:47.000 I I love it. I'm so amazed by it. I 0:55:47.040 --> 0:55:51.399 do appreciate it. And it's like I see that, right, 0:55:51.480 --> 0:55:55.239 I get it. But but when I go to like 0:55:55.280 --> 0:55:59.680 a Justin timber Lake shows, give it a little show. 0:56:00.320 --> 0:56:01.680 I mean, when I go to Chris Brown show, I 0:56:01.719 --> 0:56:06.760 know I can't do that's but some of the polished 0:56:06.840 --> 0:56:09.759 things that I see, you know, Russia and j T do, 0:56:10.000 --> 0:56:12.080 I'm like, I could do something like that. I could 0:56:12.080 --> 0:56:18.919 do some of that hand I could say my little 0:56:18.960 --> 0:56:26.040 four square feel like And so I get I get 0:56:26.120 --> 0:56:30.319 so enamorous, and I'm such a fan of artists that 0:56:30.520 --> 0:56:34.360 do it that I'll just be wanting the piece of it, 0:56:34.760 --> 0:56:37.359 not a whole. You know, I should be wanting a 0:56:37.400 --> 0:56:40.440 piece of it. But you on stage is so amazing. 0:56:40.480 --> 0:56:42.880 You at the piano, you in your personality, you in 0:56:42.880 --> 0:56:46.480 your comedy because he has a comedy section into his 0:56:47.080 --> 0:56:49.640 show as well, and it's like people are like, Damn, 0:56:49.640 --> 0:56:51.719 I didn't know Tanke was funny like that, Like a 0:56:51.800 --> 0:56:54.400 lot of people don't realize how funny he really is. 0:56:54.440 --> 0:56:57.239 In my conversations with people, because I happen to know 0:56:57.400 --> 0:57:00.680 a lot of people always say I bring I probably 0:57:00.680 --> 0:57:02.680 bring your name up so many times your ears have 0:57:02.760 --> 0:57:05.960 to ring because I always tell people one of them 0:57:06.040 --> 0:57:11.440 that's not fun one of the funniest people I know, 0:57:13.200 --> 0:57:23.439 because she said, that's why I love you, baby say, 0:57:27.800 --> 0:57:31.240 but I always say, take is literally one of the 0:57:31.280 --> 0:57:35.600 funniest people I know in the world. Like if we're 0:57:35.640 --> 0:57:38.880 hitting top, like, he's so funny. And that's something I 0:57:38.960 --> 0:57:43.280 always try to say in conversations when anything comes up, 0:57:43.360 --> 0:57:46.080 artist wise, music wise, if you come up, because I 0:57:46.120 --> 0:57:48.720 feel like it's something that people really should know about him. 0:57:48.800 --> 0:57:52.880 It's not like it's just like that's your person, now, 0:57:53.360 --> 0:57:57.439 really who you are. It took a minute. It took 0:57:57.480 --> 0:57:59.880 a minute for me to be comfortable you know with 0:58:00.080 --> 0:58:03.160 the goofball is your friends and family now, yeah, my 0:58:03.200 --> 0:58:05.160 friends and family know, but it took a minute for 0:58:05.200 --> 0:58:08.640 me to be comfortable with just being that, you know, 0:58:08.840 --> 0:58:11.840 just on stage what I'm saying, and it took from 0:58:12.200 --> 0:58:16.000 it took being around Jamie Fox and learning how to 0:58:16.720 --> 0:58:19.880 how to deliver it, you know what I'm saying, Understanding 0:58:19.920 --> 0:58:21.960 the timing of it, you know what I'm saying, to 0:58:22.120 --> 0:58:24.800 really be able to put it together, like being that 0:58:24.840 --> 0:58:27.880 time with him, you know, being his understudy and just 0:58:27.920 --> 0:58:33.720 watching like, oh that's how you Okay, Okay, okay. I 0:58:33.720 --> 0:58:35.440 mean he's a master at it, you know what I'm saying. 0:58:35.440 --> 0:58:39.680 But I was able to just grab pieces from him 0:58:39.720 --> 0:58:44.280 that I knew I could take and incorporate into my space. 0:58:45.120 --> 0:58:48.360 Would you we've seen you act well, of course, I've 0:58:48.400 --> 0:58:52.960 seen you sing, We've seen you dance even against We've 0:58:53.000 --> 0:58:57.800 seen you have really great comedy show moments in your show. 0:58:58.560 --> 0:59:01.560 What do you say to Peep that act as if 0:59:01.600 --> 0:59:04.920 you can only have one talent as a person, Like 0:59:04.960 --> 0:59:08.960 you're really a quadruple threat person organically and those are 0:59:09.000 --> 0:59:11.480 your real talents. It's we're in a day in the 0:59:11.520 --> 0:59:16.040 age where you better have more than one talent. You 0:59:16.360 --> 0:59:20.840 better like you better be able to diversify that portfolio. 0:59:21.440 --> 0:59:30.320 Because my saving grace quietly instagram mm hmmm. Because outside 0:59:30.320 --> 0:59:33.960 of my music, nobody knew me. Sure, so me being 0:59:34.000 --> 0:59:39.800 able to like show my many talents, display my personality, 0:59:40.720 --> 0:59:44.600 show my drip. That's a skill. Oh my god, it's again. 0:59:46.560 --> 0:59:50.960 Yeah it's expensive too. That it is okay, SIPs, it 0:59:53.480 --> 0:59:56.919 is um. But being able to put all of these 0:59:56.920 --> 1:00:01.200 gifts on display is I think the thing that change. 1:00:01.200 --> 1:00:04.080 Of course people's perception about me, but more so their 1:00:04.120 --> 1:00:08.480 understanding and and they could figure out what part of 1:00:08.480 --> 1:00:12.200 me they wanted to buy into right now. You you 1:00:12.240 --> 1:00:17.520 give people options in terms of how they want to celebrate. 1:00:17.560 --> 1:00:20.280 You know what I'm saying, Like, his music is cool, 1:00:20.640 --> 1:00:23.560 but his jokes he's hysterical. You know what I'm saying. Uh, 1:00:23.680 --> 1:00:26.200 it's not really that funny. I don't really like his music, 1:00:26.400 --> 1:00:28.360 but man, he'd be ragging when he put that ship on. 1:00:28.400 --> 1:00:30.040 He put that ship on, you know what I'm saying. 1:00:30.440 --> 1:00:32.200 Or you know, I don't really like what I'm saying. 1:00:32.240 --> 1:00:34.080 But when he was Gerald bust me in the new edition, 1:00:34.240 --> 1:00:38.400 he was killing that. Like and so the more you have, 1:00:39.040 --> 1:00:41.280 I think, the less people you lose. You're got I'm 1:00:41.280 --> 1:00:43.960 gonna get you with something. I'm gonna something. I'm gonna 1:00:44.000 --> 1:00:49.280 get you with something, You're gonna like me for something, 1:00:49.320 --> 1:00:52.120 And so I think that, you know, people should not 1:00:52.160 --> 1:00:58.480 be afraid two to venture out and and grow and 1:00:58.680 --> 1:01:01.840 develop all of your talents, all of your gifts. Like 1:01:03.160 --> 1:01:08.080 there's no one way anymore, there are no rules. We 1:01:08.120 --> 1:01:10.880 are in the We are in the wild wild West. 1:01:11.000 --> 1:01:18.320 In terms of being able to monetize anything. People are 1:01:18.320 --> 1:01:24.520 monetizing everything. Yeah, selling everything. There are an exhausted on 1:01:24.880 --> 1:01:27.360 Oh my god. No, seriously, there are at least a 1:01:27.440 --> 1:01:32.240 hundred thousand people that will buy anything, the billions of 1:01:32.240 --> 1:01:34.640 people in the world. Some things you shouldn't sail because 1:01:34.640 --> 1:01:40.280 some things are hey, hey, guess what, there's there's a 1:01:40.800 --> 1:01:45.720 people want to buy that. There's a black market for everything. 1:01:47.040 --> 1:01:49.560 Which one do you actually want to pursue more invest 1:01:49.600 --> 1:01:51.720 than most of your time into is it? Would it 1:01:51.760 --> 1:01:54.520 be comedy or would it be acting? Acting? For sure, 1:01:55.440 --> 1:01:59.840 comedy stand up helps me, helps me up, stand up 1:02:00.120 --> 1:02:02.480 me perfect my time when I'm in front of the 1:02:02.520 --> 1:02:05.440 camera acting interesting because as much as I want to, 1:02:06.040 --> 1:02:08.440 I want to save the world and shoot him up 1:02:08.440 --> 1:02:10.880 and be like not the rock, but like maybe the pebble. 1:02:12.000 --> 1:02:26.520 You know what I'm saying. No, No, um, I know 1:02:19.400 --> 1:02:34.840 I'm in the audience. Horrible game? Did he laughs? She 1:02:34.920 --> 1:02:41.080 laughs at everything everything. She's your friend. She believes in 1:02:41.160 --> 1:02:45.520 you acting for sure, because I feel like at some 1:02:45.600 --> 1:02:50.320 point I'm gonna end up like in the romantic comedy space, 1:02:50.400 --> 1:02:55.680 you know, That's that's where I want to. I do 1:02:55.760 --> 1:02:57.480 want to be a superhero, but I think he could be. 1:02:57.880 --> 1:03:00.360 I think even within me being a superhero, I still 1:03:00.400 --> 1:03:04.439 be fun and funny. Yeah, ship the superheroes nowadays they're 1:03:04.600 --> 1:03:13.320 hysterical ones. They are funny. Now. I love Ryan Reynolds, 1:03:13.480 --> 1:03:17.720 I love armand so I'm a rom com fanatic like that. 1:03:17.760 --> 1:03:21.600 I'm choosing that over everything. Kano. I want to ask 1:03:21.760 --> 1:03:26.040 about Okay, most artists, thank you, tz that can actually 1:03:26.160 --> 1:03:29.560 really sing. I won't say most, but a lot of them. 1:03:29.600 --> 1:03:34.919 A large number of them came from church. You as well, Yes, 1:03:36.400 --> 1:03:42.920 what do you think it is about that? Almost training? Really? 1:03:43.520 --> 1:03:48.600 You know, like even musicians right certain way, your greatest 1:03:48.760 --> 1:03:52.880 keys player or drummer, bass player, now as that aston 1:03:52.960 --> 1:03:56.280 they came from the church. What what is it about that? 1:03:56.360 --> 1:03:58.760 I mean, I love the Lord, so I know, but 1:03:59.160 --> 1:04:02.440 what is it about that that I think makes some 1:04:02.520 --> 1:04:12.520 of the greatest vocalists and musicians. I think I think 1:04:12.840 --> 1:04:16.120 in I want to go too deep, but I think 1:04:16.280 --> 1:04:29.800 in God's presence is the ultimate place to train. Catching 1:04:37.480 --> 1:04:50.440 her that's Champagne, that Baptist came with your first I 1:04:50.600 --> 1:05:06.600 was catching it right. I think that's actually would uh 1:05:07.200 --> 1:05:10.520 that that is that is the ultimate training grounds, in 1:05:10.560 --> 1:05:17.560 the presence of God and and having UM having the 1:05:17.640 --> 1:05:22.000 Spirit guide you, UM, having the Spirit help teach you, 1:05:22.120 --> 1:05:28.520 and and and groom you. And you know that that 1:05:28.680 --> 1:05:31.560 is the connection of the church, you know what I mean? 1:05:31.640 --> 1:05:38.040 Like those critiques in the church are different UM and 1:05:38.040 --> 1:05:41.680 and and I think ultimately in the church, what they 1:05:41.720 --> 1:05:44.800 want you to have is a connection to what you're doing, 1:05:45.640 --> 1:05:49.360 to not just be doing it, but to actually have 1:05:49.440 --> 1:05:52.640 a reason, you know what I mean, to actually have 1:05:54.120 --> 1:06:00.960 UM have conviction for too for to live in you 1:06:01.760 --> 1:06:05.560 before it comes out of you. You know what I'm saying. 1:06:05.920 --> 1:06:12.920 And there's no other place to get that except in 1:06:13.000 --> 1:06:16.560 the presence. What do you feel like this new generation 1:06:16.640 --> 1:06:18.840 is going to do? Because I feel like they're not 1:06:19.000 --> 1:06:28.520 in the church. Well, there are some, but nowhere near 1:06:28.560 --> 1:06:33.520 like ours back and nowhere we're not. We're not. I 1:06:33.880 --> 1:06:39.320 won't say we, but I would say there used to 1:06:39.320 --> 1:06:43.520 be approaching m You know what I'm saying in terms 1:06:43.560 --> 1:06:46.080 of the church, like and ours will go to church, 1:06:47.200 --> 1:06:52.040 Like my guys found me in church. Really yeah, I 1:06:52.120 --> 1:06:56.600 was at church when the guys came and got me. Hey, 1:06:57.720 --> 1:07:00.760 you got it? What's happening? You want to sing? I 1:07:00.800 --> 1:07:03.080 said no. For the longest, I only sing. I can't 1:07:03.120 --> 1:07:09.200 do second. I only sing. Look at you now whatever? 1:07:09.560 --> 1:07:13.800 Um Like back in back in like tenth grade, Virgin 1:07:13.840 --> 1:07:17.880 of Records came came to get our group. It was like, listen, 1:07:18.120 --> 1:07:21.480 you guys would be amazing. Um, you guys can sing. 1:07:22.240 --> 1:07:24.000 You know, you guys can sing good music. You know 1:07:24.000 --> 1:07:26.080 what I mean. And if you wanted to sing about Jesus, 1:07:26.080 --> 1:07:28.520 it could be like pronoun gospel like you know, you 1:07:28.560 --> 1:07:30.600 could sing and have to have the message. But you know, 1:07:31.280 --> 1:07:33.840 and and you know, we have tours lined up with 1:07:34.160 --> 1:07:36.240 Janet Jackson and all of them. They were just like 1:07:36.280 --> 1:07:38.200 they were laying on like we we want you guys, 1:07:38.200 --> 1:07:40.880 and we were like if we can't say the name 1:07:40.920 --> 1:07:46.640 of Jesus, yes, there is no place for us. And 1:07:46.720 --> 1:07:48.919 I was like when I look back on that time, 1:07:49.040 --> 1:07:54.360 but I look back, um, roller you know was what 1:07:54.440 --> 1:08:00.919 it was? You know, what I'm saying, like that wonderful name. Um. 1:08:00.960 --> 1:08:05.600 And so you know, I think that I think that 1:08:05.680 --> 1:08:08.320 a lot of people have just stopped looking in that 1:08:08.360 --> 1:08:16.720 place for for this thing, because this thing isn't mainstream, 1:08:16.800 --> 1:08:21.400 isn't anymore, It isn't pop culture, So they're not looking 1:08:21.400 --> 1:08:24.920 for that. What's pop culture now is the streets. What's 1:08:24.960 --> 1:08:29.240 coming off the streets on that conveyor belt. That's where 1:08:29.280 --> 1:08:33.160 we go look for our next whatever. We go looking 1:08:33.200 --> 1:08:36.760 in the streets. But they used to go looking in 1:08:36.840 --> 1:08:38.679 the church. How else do you get to read the Franklin? 1:08:39.000 --> 1:08:41.400 How else do you get to read the Franklin? Got 1:08:41.520 --> 1:08:44.679 to go to the church to get a Ready she's 1:08:44.680 --> 1:08:53.719 not reading. Don't you gotta go? You gotta go down 1:08:53.800 --> 1:08:57.320 down by Read's house. Yeah, you do, on that corner, 1:08:58.680 --> 1:09:03.679 that's right. And so I think can talk to her parents. 1:09:03.760 --> 1:09:08.080 I think they're there. I think they are there. Um. 1:09:08.160 --> 1:09:11.439 Um two Sean who produces father, it's a church kid. 1:09:12.400 --> 1:09:15.120 You can hear it when he produces, you can hear 1:09:15.160 --> 1:09:18.840 it when he sings. It's a church kid. What I'm saying, like, 1:09:19.320 --> 1:09:23.960 without a doubt, So they're there. Um, it's just gonna 1:09:24.000 --> 1:09:28.720 take the people who know where it is and know 1:09:28.880 --> 1:09:31.720 what to do with it to go get it like 1:09:31.920 --> 1:09:56.559 you there it is acting? What is the difference on 1:09:56.800 --> 1:10:05.160 stage right saying and then on set portraying whatever this role? 1:10:05.200 --> 1:10:17.599 Maybe the difference is like on stage, I'm I'm Tank, 1:10:17.920 --> 1:10:25.599 like that nuances completely developed already. A song may be new, 1:10:25.680 --> 1:10:32.519 but it's still a Tank song, right, um. Or when 1:10:32.520 --> 1:10:34.920 they come to see me perform, they come to see 1:10:35.760 --> 1:10:41.639 Tank perform. Um. When people come to see me act 1:10:42.880 --> 1:10:49.559 or turn onto television, they expect to see Tank, but 1:10:49.600 --> 1:10:55.840 they don't HM, and I have to be able to 1:10:57.800 --> 1:11:05.800 give them the character that they came to see. Right, 1:11:05.880 --> 1:11:12.479 Let's say the title is I don't know, uh, save 1:11:12.560 --> 1:11:16.800 in the Hood. Say let's save the Hood, right the 1:11:16.800 --> 1:11:30.720 pebble featuring the pebble, all right, whatever? And I, um, 1:11:30.880 --> 1:11:33.519 they don't want to see They don't want to see 1:11:33.560 --> 1:11:38.439 Tank the singer save the Hood. They want to see 1:11:39.120 --> 1:11:42.439 this character, for lack of a better title, action Jackson 1:11:43.920 --> 1:11:50.040 save the Hood. And so I didn't have to find 1:11:52.200 --> 1:11:57.160 the natural spaces within me that I can dedicate completely 1:11:58.000 --> 1:12:02.599 to that character and not go off into these other 1:12:02.640 --> 1:12:07.920 spaces like I can't save the Hood and be yeah, 1:12:08.040 --> 1:12:11.800 you know what I'm saying, like, right, that's Tank. I 1:12:11.880 --> 1:12:14.679 can't do that, right, you know what I'm saying. I can't. 1:12:14.720 --> 1:12:16.760 I can't, Like there's certain things that I can do 1:12:16.880 --> 1:12:20.799 is Tank, that don't work for the action Jackson character. 1:12:21.720 --> 1:12:23.439 You know what I'm saying when I'm doing the interview. 1:12:24.120 --> 1:12:26.000 You know what I'm saying, Like, when I'm doing my interviews, 1:12:26.040 --> 1:12:28.559 it's Tank. I have to be personal, gotta be fun, 1:12:28.840 --> 1:12:30.600 it's gotta be like, yeah, it take this cracking the 1:12:30.680 --> 1:12:32.840 jokes when I'm actually Jackson. I'm saving the hood. I 1:12:32.840 --> 1:12:34.639 have a real concern for the people on my street. 1:12:35.120 --> 1:12:36.320 How are you going to help us? Or do we 1:12:36.360 --> 1:12:46.800 need to help ourselves? Look at you know what I'm saying. 1:12:45.880 --> 1:12:56.440 Three So it's like it's still me, but it's dedicated 1:12:56.520 --> 1:13:00.880 nuances to that character. It's not everything that you've seen 1:13:01.560 --> 1:13:04.080 me do it before. It's not all of time. It's 1:13:04.120 --> 1:13:08.800 just it's linear. It's one piece right here. This These 1:13:08.800 --> 1:13:11.479 are the pieces from me that create that character, that 1:13:11.600 --> 1:13:15.599 connect with that character. We're only using these pieces right here. 1:13:17.200 --> 1:13:19.120 That's why I can't do it. You can do it. 1:13:19.240 --> 1:13:23.160 So he wants to do it, she should come out. 1:13:23.280 --> 1:13:29.720 She's too damn funny. Did you hear you're funny? You 1:13:29.800 --> 1:13:32.360 are funny. I laughed at you all the time. She 1:13:32.439 --> 1:13:35.240 has she's ridiculous. I have great comedic timing. You do, 1:13:35.360 --> 1:13:38.600 but you do have to do it in front of 1:13:38.640 --> 1:13:40.760 the camera. I have a camera right here. I'm good. 1:13:40.880 --> 1:13:46.000 It's not the same. Okays, no action on it. Last looks, 1:13:47.520 --> 1:14:04.559 the last looks, make it last look all times. I 1:14:04.560 --> 1:14:09.720 can't remember ship. I need giant side side giants and 1:14:13.120 --> 1:14:19.000 let see what this? Okay, I got it? Okay, like 1:14:19.160 --> 1:14:22.599 just cut? What do you want people to know about 1:14:22.640 --> 1:14:29.960 you that you don't think they know? But I don't 1:14:30.000 --> 1:14:32.800 think they know? What are you wantesome? People don't know 1:14:32.840 --> 1:14:40.080 about you? I don't think that you think you lay 1:14:40.120 --> 1:14:44.960 it all out there, and I don't want to. I don't. 1:14:44.960 --> 1:14:48.040 I don't want this to sound, you know, come off, 1:14:48.600 --> 1:14:55.479 come off weird, but I don't. I don't necessarily care 1:14:55.560 --> 1:14:58.280 what they do or don't know about me, do know 1:14:58.400 --> 1:15:00.880 or don't know about me. What I would like to 1:15:01.000 --> 1:15:05.040 feel like is or what I would like to know 1:15:05.080 --> 1:15:11.720 about myself is that I've done my best, and to 1:15:11.880 --> 1:15:14.880 some people that's going to be amazing. To some people 1:15:14.920 --> 1:15:19.519 that's not going to be enough. If I get caught 1:15:19.560 --> 1:15:26.240 up in either, I'll lose. Wow. So I don't. I 1:15:26.280 --> 1:15:29.479 don't have an expectation of what I want people to 1:15:29.600 --> 1:15:34.240 expect or to understand or to even believe it. I 1:15:34.360 --> 1:15:38.599 just I just want to do my best and and 1:15:38.640 --> 1:15:43.240 live with whatever the results are. Like that's that's true 1:15:43.240 --> 1:15:45.720 happiness for me. Like I laid it all out there, 1:15:46.160 --> 1:15:48.559 I went crazy, you know what I'm saying. Like I said, 1:15:48.600 --> 1:15:51.240 it's always gonna be somebody in the comments, like somebody was, 1:15:51.320 --> 1:15:56.240 somebody said, somebody says something about you're a true king 1:15:56.360 --> 1:15:58.200 or something like that, and then somebody win the comments 1:15:58.240 --> 1:16:02.600 that you ain't no king, you ain't never been no kings. 1:16:03.160 --> 1:16:08.040 But you know what, though we could say hayting, but 1:16:08.200 --> 1:16:13.880 to that person, I'm not their king to that person, 1:16:15.360 --> 1:16:18.280 I'm not that sexy to them. I'm not handsome to them. 1:16:19.280 --> 1:16:21.439 You know what I'm saying. My body all built up 1:16:21.439 --> 1:16:23.760 with all of these muscles. They don't like that I 1:16:23.880 --> 1:16:30.120 do so for you, it's really all for you. So 1:16:30.120 --> 1:16:51.040 so so I don't you know, I'm staying. But you 1:16:51.040 --> 1:16:53.400 can't get caught up. You can't get caught up into that, 1:16:53.520 --> 1:16:56.280 you know. I give, I give very eloquent answers in interviews. 1:16:56.280 --> 1:16:58.080 I want to be known as the hardest working man 1:16:58.479 --> 1:17:02.679 in R and B music. Um, but most people aren't 1:17:02.680 --> 1:17:05.439 even going to see that. It's like he worked how 1:17:05.520 --> 1:17:09.200 he worked cool, He ain't worked hard. I have no idea, 1:17:09.720 --> 1:17:13.960 And so you you can't expect them to know, you 1:17:14.000 --> 1:17:17.400 can't expect them to really really following your journey. Yeah, 1:17:17.400 --> 1:17:20.280 I mean, and are close up. They still don't even know, 1:17:20.400 --> 1:17:24.680 like still don't even see you know. But for me, 1:17:24.760 --> 1:17:30.439 it's this close, like because because the honesty that I 1:17:30.479 --> 1:17:34.080 have in this room governs everything. So if anybody in 1:17:34.120 --> 1:17:37.439 this room comes to me and says, hey, that ain't it, Yeah, 1:17:37.439 --> 1:17:39.679 it's not okay, you know what what I'm saying, Or somebody 1:17:39.680 --> 1:17:43.280 in this room comes to me and says more of that, Okay, okay, 1:17:43.560 --> 1:17:46.200 this is the bar for me, you know what I'm saying. Like, 1:17:46.320 --> 1:17:50.120 my my circle is our circle is of the people 1:17:50.160 --> 1:17:53.920 that really care about us. And really it's small, it's trusted, 1:17:54.000 --> 1:17:56.880 it's trusted, and that's where I live. That's where I 1:17:56.920 --> 1:17:59.400 get my love. Like if my party, if my party 1:17:59.439 --> 1:18:09.920 got it's just really it's what I don't know. I mean, 1:18:10.040 --> 1:18:13.200 if if if I'm your king cool. If I'm not cool, 1:18:14.360 --> 1:18:22.519 I'm a king somewhere right right here. So if you 1:18:22.560 --> 1:18:26.720 didn't actually leave the church to go to the R 1:18:26.760 --> 1:18:34.200 and B world, she left, did I believe trying to 1:18:34.240 --> 1:18:43.640 say put a backpack home? He left. He left for 1:18:43.680 --> 1:18:48.639 the bag so he could send it back home. Where 1:18:48.640 --> 1:18:50.839 do you think that you would see yourself? Like? What 1:18:50.840 --> 1:18:52.960 what were you into doing? What was your hobbies? What 1:18:53.360 --> 1:18:58.040 did you ever see yourself doing besides me fota player? Wow? Sure? 1:19:00.000 --> 1:19:04.280 So you be an athlete? Athlete? I mean, did you 1:19:04.280 --> 1:19:08.880 ever get paid doing anything athletic? You've got the church. 1:19:09.320 --> 1:19:12.600 I'm just asking. I was a teenager when when this 1:19:12.760 --> 1:19:17.280 all happened a profession? Did you get a check? You 1:19:17.320 --> 1:19:24.320 get a check? No? I never got to that point. Um. 1:19:24.360 --> 1:19:25.960 But you know when I when I my first time 1:19:26.040 --> 1:19:28.640 duncan in eighth grade, you couldn't tell me nothing. I 1:19:28.720 --> 1:19:31.880 was gonna be a star. I could bounce like a run, fast, 1:19:32.880 --> 1:19:36.320 touchdowns all that. Um, So I thought that that was 1:19:36.360 --> 1:19:39.800 my path and church kind of got in the way 1:19:39.800 --> 1:19:41.720 of that, you know, got in the way of me 1:19:41.760 --> 1:19:43.920 pursuing a lot of that because it was always acquired 1:19:43.960 --> 1:19:45.840 with her. So it's always grew up with her. So 1:19:46.000 --> 1:19:48.879 it was always a church, got something to do on Saturday. 1:19:48.960 --> 1:19:53.680 So I couldn't really dedicate myself to sports like I 1:19:53.720 --> 1:19:59.520 wanted to, but I was. I was still really good. Um, 1:19:59.560 --> 1:20:04.479 but I you know, music has always had a way 1:20:04.560 --> 1:20:07.160 of just kind of like tapping me on the shoulder 1:20:07.200 --> 1:20:10.320 every now and then, like I don't know, why are 1:20:10.320 --> 1:20:11.960 you trying to do all that? You know what I'm saying, 1:20:12.000 --> 1:20:14.559 like this is that right here, you're gonna be with me. 1:20:14.600 --> 1:20:17.439 I'm just trying to you know, like a ninth grade 1:20:17.479 --> 1:20:19.560 when the girls started screaming at that assembly, when I 1:20:19.600 --> 1:20:23.439 started singing, It's always been simply come on in a 1:20:23.520 --> 1:20:33.920 multi purpose room. So you know that's sent that center 1:20:34.080 --> 1:20:36.040 rushed through my body that I've never had before in 1:20:36.080 --> 1:20:38.479 my life. And so there were always moments even in 1:20:38.520 --> 1:20:41.320 the football field on the huddle, I'm singing in the 1:20:41.360 --> 1:20:43.519 huddle like Babs, come on, man, be serious. I'm like, 1:20:43.600 --> 1:20:50.880 I can be serious if you give me the ball. 1:20:51.040 --> 1:20:56.720 Touch y'all. Like I was that guy. So you know, 1:20:57.120 --> 1:20:58.720 it just always had a way and let me know. 1:20:58.760 --> 1:21:00.200 And then when I went to when I was going 1:21:00.240 --> 1:21:04.960 to college, offers the Scholarship School of Schools I didn't 1:21:05.000 --> 1:21:07.280 want to go to partial scholarships to the schools. I 1:21:07.280 --> 1:21:09.920 did want to go to UM and ended up getting 1:21:09.960 --> 1:21:14.200 a full scholarship to Morgan State from music. All right, 1:21:14.560 --> 1:21:18.519 maybe I'll take my full scholarship and then play football 1:21:19.000 --> 1:21:28.320 on my music scholarship. And they were like, exactly, we 1:21:28.360 --> 1:21:32.880 need you. We're gonna need your main do these you know, 1:21:33.000 --> 1:21:37.160 do these class um. And so music has always had 1:21:37.200 --> 1:21:40.720 a way of reminding me like, I hear you, but 1:21:40.800 --> 1:21:43.680 this is where you're supposed to be. And so it 1:21:43.800 --> 1:21:45.639 was always meant to be. It's always meant to be. 1:21:46.240 --> 1:21:48.280 That's I'm athlete to this day. You know that I 1:21:48.320 --> 1:21:51.320 worked out twice a day. Um. But that's just you know, 1:21:51.760 --> 1:21:54.000 that's my nature. That's the competitive nature of me. That's 1:21:54.000 --> 1:21:57.679 just always going to be there. But music is Music 1:21:57.720 --> 1:22:02.160 has always given me no choice. Wow, instruments, I think 1:22:02.439 --> 1:22:09.599 that what has to be really celebrated are musicians. He's 1:22:09.640 --> 1:22:12.599 a true musician, that's my point. But you don't even 1:22:12.640 --> 1:22:15.080 know he really plays drums here go here in live 1:22:15.439 --> 1:22:19.960 My whole point because again, my conversations outside you know, 1:22:20.080 --> 1:22:23.960 with so many people, and no, he's not it's an artist. 1:22:24.040 --> 1:22:27.439 There's artists shout out to the artists, and then there's 1:22:27.479 --> 1:22:30.439 true musicians, you know, and that's what you are. And 1:22:30.479 --> 1:22:34.160 I think your your humility and it kind of probably 1:22:34.200 --> 1:22:37.800 speaks to your true passionate love for it because you 1:22:37.880 --> 1:22:41.439 don't say like even people telling me, oh, we didn't 1:22:41.439 --> 1:22:43.479 know that take play the piano, you know when you 1:22:43.479 --> 1:22:45.840 started going live and doing the piano on Instagram a 1:22:45.840 --> 1:22:48.000 lot more during COVID and stuff like that. Just people 1:22:48.040 --> 1:22:49.600 that are like fans and stuff like that. I'm like, 1:22:50.040 --> 1:22:54.800 of course he plays producers. He let me give you 1:22:54.840 --> 1:23:00.320 a bar, give you a bar. Wait on that. I'm 1:23:00.360 --> 1:23:03.360 shout out to puff brother loves as I like to 1:23:03.360 --> 1:23:06.880 call them. Um. I went to his house other day. 1:23:06.880 --> 1:23:10.320 He said, he said, we're going to Jim Bean's house 1:23:10.320 --> 1:23:15.840 and said, what okay, okay, roll with me, roll roll 1:23:15.920 --> 1:23:24.160 with me. Playboy and heavy room h um. Just you 1:23:24.439 --> 1:23:26.519 like you walk in this room and you're like, what 1:23:26.720 --> 1:23:36.080 is this? What is in there? Playing vinyl? I think 1:23:36.280 --> 1:23:42.080 vinyl um? Heaveryone. Shout out to my brother Larry Jackson, 1:23:44.080 --> 1:23:51.000 m amazing brother and sitting there man by the name 1:23:51.840 --> 1:24:00.000 Dr dre mm hmm, my goodness, my goodness. And I've 1:24:00.320 --> 1:24:02.800 I've met Dre a couple of times, but we've never 1:24:02.880 --> 1:24:06.760 actually really been able to have an exchange. And so 1:24:07.800 --> 1:24:11.040 you know, at some point, you know, during this whole 1:24:11.120 --> 1:24:14.320 room thing that's happening, he's like he's like, he's like, man, 1:24:14.400 --> 1:24:17.040 you know, we just you know, we always meet and passing, man, 1:24:17.080 --> 1:24:18.760 but we've never ever forgotten a chance to you know, 1:24:18.880 --> 1:24:21.680 really like tap in. And like he says, I was like, yeah, man, 1:24:21.680 --> 1:24:28.559 I was like, you know, I loved him and so 1:24:28.920 --> 1:24:30.280 and so I'm just sitting next to them. We're just 1:24:30.280 --> 1:24:32.080 talking about the records that are playing and talking about 1:24:32.080 --> 1:24:34.960 the instrumentation, and I'm watching, like I'm watching Dre as 1:24:35.000 --> 1:24:37.960 he's listening because Dre hears everything like and so I 1:24:37.960 --> 1:24:41.559 just when I'm watching him while he listens and like, yeah, yeah, 1:24:41.920 --> 1:24:45.800 just his energy right, and he's like, uh, he's like 1:24:45.840 --> 1:24:48.760 so thank you know, like like he's like, do you right, 1:24:49.360 --> 1:24:52.720 I said? I said? I said? I said. I said everything, sir, 1:24:53.240 --> 1:24:58.200 I do. I said, I do everything. He said, he's okay, 1:24:59.479 --> 1:25:03.920 you play any instruments, I said, Dre, I do everything. 1:25:04.640 --> 1:25:09.320 He said, Come here. We get up that. We walked 1:25:09.320 --> 1:25:14.200 out the room and we go to a piano and 1:25:15.080 --> 1:25:18.320 he starts playing. You know what I'm saying. I'm like, okay, 1:25:18.960 --> 1:25:30.840 he said, let me see something like well, he like, 1:25:32.280 --> 1:25:36.639 oh you, so he started playing something else. He started 1:25:36.640 --> 1:25:38.960 playing something else, he said, he said. I said, oh 1:25:39.200 --> 1:25:41.000 I see what you're going with that. You're gonna here 1:25:42.760 --> 1:25:51.880 my phone listen. She said, oh you that? Oh you 1:25:52.040 --> 1:25:55.360 like that? Okay? Yeah, yeah, we need to get out. 1:25:55.520 --> 1:25:59.120 Yeah yeah. He's like, and you probably you you you 1:25:59.360 --> 1:26:01.719 you need to see my you need to see my musician. 1:26:01.760 --> 1:26:04.280 I said, I promise you that your musicians are probably 1:26:04.400 --> 1:26:07.960 might right soon we get there. I got bluetooth box 1:26:08.040 --> 1:26:13.800 and I say, I'm trying to you. And but it 1:26:13.840 --> 1:26:16.720 goes back to what you were saying where a lot 1:26:16.760 --> 1:26:22.720 of people don't really know that I do it. Oh 1:26:23.160 --> 1:26:29.200 and so you know having Dre dr Dre like recognize 1:26:29.200 --> 1:26:33.160 it and say that's that's a kid that's different, and like, 1:26:34.280 --> 1:26:36.320 you know what I'm saying, I'm brand new and there's 1:26:36.360 --> 1:26:38.040 a forty six year old man. I'm like this man 1:26:38.400 --> 1:26:47.160 like playing already the producer bible for a lot of producers. 1:26:47.200 --> 1:26:53.639 His drums for sure, but his body, he's a He's 1:26:53.680 --> 1:26:55.320 made the call to some of the called his bodies 1:26:55.360 --> 1:26:58.000 of work all times, and so I'm sitting in the studio, 1:26:59.080 --> 1:27:04.800 you know Withdre and Puff like, I'm sitting here and 1:27:04.840 --> 1:27:10.599 I'm like, yeah, I'm in the business, and yeah I've 1:27:10.640 --> 1:27:15.240 been successful at it. But there are levels. I understand 1:27:15.280 --> 1:27:20.240 those levels, and so when I'm sitting in the room 1:27:20.280 --> 1:27:24.679 with those levels, I am paying attention. I am taking 1:27:24.920 --> 1:27:29.280 notes because I am trying to get to that level 1:27:29.800 --> 1:27:34.400 and and making myself available as a musician or as 1:27:34.439 --> 1:27:38.240 a songwriter, or as a background singer or whatever is 1:27:38.280 --> 1:27:41.640 needed in the moment you saying you speak about humility. 1:27:41.880 --> 1:27:46.200 I love music. Whatever you need me today, let's get it, Okay, 1:27:46.240 --> 1:27:49.439 what it is? You just need me to clap? He 1:27:49.560 --> 1:27:52.920 came home. So I'm sorry that night that he came 1:27:52.960 --> 1:28:03.559 home so inspired school and another thank you Dr Drep. 1:28:04.439 --> 1:28:08.280 But like the inspiration you can't pay for, you can't 1:28:08.600 --> 1:28:11.960 muster up, you can't find it that you just like 1:28:12.000 --> 1:28:15.400 you gotta imagine, you know, a Puff saying, listen to 1:28:15.439 --> 1:28:18.840 this and playing music looking at you like, or Dr 1:28:18.920 --> 1:28:21.439 Dre Son listen to this and like looking at you 1:28:21.479 --> 1:28:26.080 like and like like getting your take on it, like 1:28:26.080 --> 1:28:28.519 like you're gonna say anything other than it's amazing because 1:28:28.520 --> 1:28:32.719 it's absolutely amazing. You know, like I said, your levels 1:28:33.800 --> 1:28:39.120 and and and growing and still wanting to grow to 1:28:39.320 --> 1:28:44.360 be preferently be on that level. Like these guys are guys, 1:28:44.960 --> 1:28:51.599 These guys are five million dollar plus guys. Huh yeah, 1:28:51.640 --> 1:28:53.920 I need I need to be around them. Here I am, 1:28:54.120 --> 1:28:59.320 which look like yeah. So you know, it's more of 1:28:59.360 --> 1:29:02.160 that discover read that I think is a great word. 1:29:02.640 --> 1:29:04.840 It's more of that discovery that you know, as I 1:29:04.920 --> 1:29:08.120 move into these other spaces and I'm able to rub 1:29:08.160 --> 1:29:10.080 those kind of elbows and things that I think more 1:29:10.120 --> 1:29:14.040 people will be exposed to. Oh we can, we can 1:29:13.640 --> 1:29:28.880 take him for that can tank for everything outside of 1:29:28.960 --> 1:29:31.360 pianos your favorite instrument to play because people now know 1:29:31.439 --> 1:29:33.519 you play the piano, but that's not the only instrument 1:29:33.560 --> 1:29:38.000 you play. Drums is my is my favorite to play. Yeah, 1:29:38.040 --> 1:29:39.960 I'm not as good. I'm not as good at playing 1:29:40.040 --> 1:29:42.680 drums as I am at playing piano, only because you know, 1:29:42.800 --> 1:29:46.040 I don't play drums as much. Yeah, when I was younger, 1:29:47.000 --> 1:29:50.639 it was drums first in piano. But you know, girls 1:29:50.680 --> 1:29:53.679 didn't really they didn't really move when I played the drums. 1:29:56.680 --> 1:29:58.720 It's always girls, you know what I'm saying when I 1:29:58.760 --> 1:30:02.400 played that piano first, you girls are sitting up on 1:30:02.439 --> 1:30:09.120 that piano like sing that one part again, Like you know, 1:30:05.360 --> 1:30:11.559 say the girls can gather around the piano and drums 1:30:11.600 --> 1:30:15.840 just too loud. Don't say the girls could gather around. 1:30:16.520 --> 1:30:19.720 You hit the second girl that one too. We don't 1:30:19.760 --> 1:30:22.120 hit that thing the game. That was too loud. They 1:30:22.120 --> 1:30:24.320 think at the bottom, that's too much. Right. The organ 1:30:24.320 --> 1:30:28.920 did get you know, I was just gonna the organs 1:30:29.000 --> 1:30:35.360 only gets you the real church girl, the deaconess. The 1:30:35.479 --> 1:30:38.240 organ to get you the deaconess. You're telling about your 1:30:38.240 --> 1:30:42.040 experience in what the deaconess? No, No, when I went 1:30:42.080 --> 1:30:46.280 to Rome and what was which the Michael Angelo Church, 1:30:46.360 --> 1:30:48.720 the Michael Angelo Church. And then let me play the 1:30:49.439 --> 1:30:56.080 pipe organ? What yeah? Video that let me play the 1:30:56.120 --> 1:30:59.599 pipe and it was like cloned down, locked up, you're 1:30:59.600 --> 1:31:03.120 the only one in there because that cadence is that 1:31:03.360 --> 1:31:05.880 it's it's a different movement that it took me a 1:31:05.920 --> 1:31:10.519 second to collect and in different notations. It was different. 1:31:10.560 --> 1:31:12.120 I had to It took me a second to like 1:31:12.200 --> 1:31:14.080 I was like, oh, you can't do that, you gotta 1:31:14.160 --> 1:31:19.400 do this like this, and then dude that you got it. God. 1:31:19.800 --> 1:31:21.519 But it was like it was like amazing and to 1:31:21.680 --> 1:31:26.599 hear it in it was a spiritual Yeah, I was 1:31:25.320 --> 1:31:31.320 like it was crazy. So yeah, Organ really it gets you. 1:31:31.320 --> 1:31:39.439 You know how many people can say that not a lot, 1:31:40.520 --> 1:31:51.599 not ze arm By Money the label. Look at first 1:31:51.600 --> 1:31:55.800 of all, how you came up with arm By Money. 1:31:56.680 --> 1:31:58.599 We know what I'm saying. What made you just say 1:31:58.640 --> 1:32:01.000 I'm gonna call my label Army Money Because I kept 1:32:01.000 --> 1:32:11.160 watching young money, cash money, everything, like everything that's that 1:32:11.280 --> 1:32:15.600 was being successful at the time, it was all predicated 1:32:16.280 --> 1:32:20.080 on money. Everything that everybody was doing at the time 1:32:20.200 --> 1:32:24.280 was flashing their money, trying to put their they drip 1:32:24.360 --> 1:32:27.240 on to show you that they got money. And you know, 1:32:27.360 --> 1:32:29.400 in the club, popping all the bottles they can pop 1:32:29.439 --> 1:32:32.600 to let you know they got money, pulling up in 1:32:32.640 --> 1:32:35.719 the craziest whips so let you know they got money. 1:32:36.479 --> 1:32:42.000 Mm hmm. Everybody's trying to figure out how to make 1:32:42.080 --> 1:32:45.360 money and they only want to be associated with things 1:32:45.680 --> 1:32:50.600 that they feel like are making money. Yeah, what is 1:32:50.640 --> 1:32:53.519 the call out to let people know that R and 1:32:53.560 --> 1:32:59.600 B music makes money? Oh? R and B money. It 1:32:59.640 --> 1:33:03.599 wasn't con times. It was as simple as that. I 1:33:03.640 --> 1:33:07.600 want people to associate R and B music with making money, 1:33:08.000 --> 1:33:12.200 R and B money, And it wasn't a selfish ploy. 1:33:12.400 --> 1:33:14.720 It wasn't like I'm the only one who's made R 1:33:14.760 --> 1:33:18.000 and B money. These R and B money hats are 1:33:18.000 --> 1:33:22.040 gonna go on so many different people's heads who you know, 1:33:22.080 --> 1:33:24.200 so many established artists came to send we want them. 1:33:24.280 --> 1:33:29.360 R and B money has no like. It's that movement 1:33:29.680 --> 1:33:32.799 with being able to once we get this merch together, 1:33:33.240 --> 1:33:37.639 give this merch out to those who are in the 1:33:37.880 --> 1:33:44.560 R and B money fraternity, fraternity and sorority, like we're 1:33:44.600 --> 1:33:48.040 we are a unit that makes R and B money, 1:33:48.080 --> 1:33:50.479 that makes R and B look good, that makes R 1:33:50.479 --> 1:33:53.519 and B feel good, makes RB smell good. We keep 1:33:53.640 --> 1:33:56.559 R and B expensive. You know what I'm saying, you're 1:33:56.640 --> 1:34:02.040 very expensive. What do you mean he's more expected than me? 1:34:02.840 --> 1:34:05.640 I'm not. Yes, you are not, Yes, you are. You 1:34:05.760 --> 1:34:09.200 get your ring and look at my ring. That's because 1:34:09.200 --> 1:34:14.040 I bought that and you bought it. Your ring calls 1:34:14.080 --> 1:34:21.400 more than this and this beautiful rings. You know when 1:34:21.439 --> 1:34:29.320 we get robbed playing with these people, but you know, 1:34:29.560 --> 1:34:34.920 it's it's that association. And so while these kids are 1:34:35.520 --> 1:34:38.800 enamored with the idea of being able to make money. 1:34:39.240 --> 1:34:42.080 That's the call out, that's the flag. And then once 1:34:42.120 --> 1:34:44.800 we get you in the building, we can teach you 1:34:44.960 --> 1:34:48.519 how to do that properly. There's an education that goes 1:34:48.680 --> 1:34:52.960 along with R and B money. It's not just we're 1:34:52.960 --> 1:34:55.880 gonna make some money. No HARMBI money is to teach 1:34:55.920 --> 1:34:59.960 their artists the financial literacy class because these kids got 1:35:00.120 --> 1:35:02.160 no no, they know they have to they have to 1:35:02.200 --> 1:35:04.320 know there has to. I mean we were talking with 1:35:04.320 --> 1:35:06.840 Tiffany fred and just about all of those things and 1:35:06.880 --> 1:35:12.679 all of those um teachable moments that that should be 1:35:13.720 --> 1:35:18.479 in a sense, if not required, at least offered. Like 1:35:18.920 --> 1:35:21.160 if it's not required as a part of your deal, 1:35:21.240 --> 1:35:25.280 it should at least be a space within your infrastructure 1:35:25.840 --> 1:35:29.760 where you can go to this class. You can go 1:35:29.880 --> 1:35:32.400 learn this and you can ask these questions and you 1:35:32.400 --> 1:35:36.040 can get the game. Um, because somebody has to know it, 1:35:36.680 --> 1:35:39.560 either somebody you trust on your team, you know what 1:35:39.600 --> 1:35:42.519 I'm saying, or you that they can you know, relay 1:35:42.560 --> 1:35:45.360 this information to you. Like sometimes creative creatives don't want 1:35:45.400 --> 1:35:48.040 to be bogged down with the business of it all 1:35:48.080 --> 1:35:56.040 because it is stressful, like to try and you know, um, 1:35:56.160 --> 1:35:59.280 brain fatigue is a real thing where you're trying to 1:35:59.800 --> 1:36:02.720 do it through contracts and negotiating then go to the 1:36:02.760 --> 1:36:06.040 studio and try to make a hit record. Like that's 1:36:06.080 --> 1:36:08.920 a lot, you know what I mean. But the information 1:36:09.000 --> 1:36:13.960 has to be uh made more available, you know what 1:36:14.000 --> 1:36:15.800 I'm saying. I think for for artists, and you know, 1:36:15.880 --> 1:36:19.000 we are definitely a part of wanting to offer that 1:36:19.439 --> 1:36:24.280 so that you know how to manage and information. I 1:36:24.320 --> 1:36:28.679 love that too. I love that too. I think it's important, 1:36:28.760 --> 1:36:32.160 especially kids that make it in music. Um A lot 1:36:32.200 --> 1:36:36.519 of times there from places that you know, whether it's 1:36:36.600 --> 1:36:39.559 from inner city neighborhoods and things like that, and those 1:36:39.600 --> 1:36:45.519 things weren't taught, you know, even for me, that wasn't taught. 1:36:43.840 --> 1:36:48.559 How money was taught. Not managing money was talking keeping 1:36:48.600 --> 1:36:52.160 it learned by default. And also I think in black 1:36:52.200 --> 1:36:54.599 and brown homes, we almost teach our kids to say 1:36:54.640 --> 1:36:57.400 for something like say for that car, you want to 1:36:57.439 --> 1:37:00.040 say for the house. It's like, well, there's also to 1:37:00.080 --> 1:37:02.040 be a lifestyle of saving as well, so that you 1:37:02.200 --> 1:37:04.800 just have. So it's just all these like nuances. I think, 1:37:05.120 --> 1:37:08.479 like you said, you are very important to teach these 1:37:08.640 --> 1:37:14.920 artists that are coming and everything, yeah, um, and royalties 1:37:14.960 --> 1:37:17.479 and things like that, which you know so much about 1:37:17.720 --> 1:37:22.519 differently than what newer artists you know, because there was 1:37:22.560 --> 1:37:24.400 this thing going around for a while where people were 1:37:24.479 --> 1:37:27.599 just like being hype about owning masters, and I'm like, 1:37:28.439 --> 1:37:31.200 I get it, but do you do you know what 1:37:31.240 --> 1:37:35.360 to do with masters? Do you know what it means 1:37:35.479 --> 1:37:39.680 to have to own it? Do you know how? Do 1:37:39.680 --> 1:37:43.439 do you know how to generate revenue from your masters? 1:37:45.240 --> 1:37:47.559 Most of them don't even know what that means. They 1:37:47.680 --> 1:37:50.040 just here, Yeah, and I want to own my masters? 1:37:52.880 --> 1:37:55.360 Why do you want to own your masters? Why do 1:37:55.360 --> 1:37:57.599 you want to own your masters versus being partners with 1:37:57.640 --> 1:38:00.640 somebody partnering up with your masters who who have a 1:38:00.720 --> 1:38:05.759 global infrastructure to help you monetize your master. Why wouldn't 1:38:05.760 --> 1:38:10.920 you want to do that? You don't know, You just 1:38:11.000 --> 1:38:13.080 the lingo is just going around. So it's that definitely, 1:38:14.880 --> 1:38:17.400 it's that information is those kind of things that need 1:38:17.479 --> 1:38:19.920 to be taught, even if you're at an independent Okay, 1:38:20.080 --> 1:38:22.560 got it, you gotta you gotta or you know what 1:38:22.600 --> 1:38:26.519 I'm saying, or or five if that's fine, But somebody's 1:38:26.560 --> 1:38:31.560 gonna have to administrate your master's You don't have the infrastructure, 1:38:32.080 --> 1:38:34.960 you don't have the relationships. You don't even know them. People, 1:38:35.040 --> 1:38:38.280 you don't even know the people. People you don't the 1:38:38.320 --> 1:38:42.320 first person to call to license masters. You don't have email, 1:38:43.760 --> 1:38:48.120 you don't even know what the google you don't. So 1:38:48.400 --> 1:38:51.960 you know, we are about like, that's what you know. 1:38:52.160 --> 1:38:54.320 That's what the label, that's what the podcast, that's what 1:38:54.439 --> 1:38:56.639 all these things are about about. Now, you guys definitely 1:38:56.640 --> 1:38:59.960 have some teachable moments in your podcast. It's about being 1:39:00.040 --> 1:39:03.719 informative because there's so many things. There are so many 1:39:03.800 --> 1:39:10.759 things that you learn through experience only only like the 1:39:11.439 --> 1:39:14.360 you're just not in the book. I don't care how 1:39:14.360 --> 1:39:19.120 many music books you read or music business books you read. 1:39:20.040 --> 1:39:22.679 Most of that stuff that we do, that we talk about, 1:39:23.000 --> 1:39:27.559 that we negotiate is not in those books. The rape 1:39:27.600 --> 1:39:35.840 maybe how you get to it, my god, The bartering, 1:39:35.280 --> 1:39:39.920 the taking less to get more, the knowing what to 1:39:40.000 --> 1:39:43.800 do in that moment, that decision part, like what am 1:39:43.840 --> 1:39:49.960 I supposed to do? And what you do? Because I 1:39:50.080 --> 1:39:53.439 have been like, let me see how I talked to this. Yeah, 1:39:55.960 --> 1:39:59.599 that's I don't play about listen to promoter, ain't got 1:39:59.640 --> 1:40:03.160 your BA I can, but it's three thousand people out there, right, 1:40:04.040 --> 1:40:09.720 what do you do? Sure came to see you. Do 1:40:09.800 --> 1:40:11.920 you know that the promoter and the building are two 1:40:11.920 --> 1:40:14.760 separate people? Do you know that you can go to 1:40:14.800 --> 1:40:17.080 the building and say, hey, man, your promoter that is 1:40:17.160 --> 1:40:21.559 using your building doesn't have my money. He's gonna make 1:40:21.560 --> 1:40:24.880 your building look bad. Are you prepared to do something 1:40:24.920 --> 1:40:26.920 about that? Going to say, frond me that money and 1:40:26.920 --> 1:40:29.479 then take it up with They don't even it's not 1:40:29.600 --> 1:40:34.960 in the book. And you know that by default hard 1:40:35.000 --> 1:40:43.960 knock life or three thousand people out there, I'll never 1:40:43.960 --> 1:40:47.479 work with him again, right, and I'm gonna give the 1:40:47.479 --> 1:40:51.080 show of let's turn the music on. He's definitely good 1:40:51.080 --> 1:40:55.080 for that. No, we got the bag now. I'm like 1:40:55.120 --> 1:40:59.439 that too, though, and I'll make sure it's understood. I'm 1:40:59.640 --> 1:41:04.760 no very I'll tell my friends, He'll tell Instagram. You 1:41:04.840 --> 1:41:08.439 have to because that business part which we we could 1:41:08.439 --> 1:41:11.840 talk creative, we could talk all these beautiful grandioso things 1:41:11.880 --> 1:41:14.880 as an artists, but the business, the music business and 1:41:15.720 --> 1:41:18.680 economics all that that is an important component of it, 1:41:18.760 --> 1:41:22.800 like the biggest, the most important. The successful ones understand 1:41:23.360 --> 1:41:28.320 and do business. It's like us restructure in our business. 1:41:28.360 --> 1:41:34.960 It was it was to the benefit of of both 1:41:35.000 --> 1:41:41.200 of us, us and our partners, because to them economically, 1:41:42.479 --> 1:41:48.840 they weren't taking a risk and to us, economically, we 1:41:48.840 --> 1:41:55.000 were just betting on ourselves. And so they were like, yeah, cool, 1:41:55.160 --> 1:41:59.400 let's right. Yeah. We were like, that's right. And so 1:42:00.439 --> 1:42:03.360 then it just became about the work. If it's just 1:42:03.439 --> 1:42:07.519 about the work, uh, we're gonna win that. But a 1:42:07.560 --> 1:42:12.599 great partnership because we're not making we're not making our 1:42:12.640 --> 1:42:15.599 partners jump out the window, you know what I'm saying 1:42:15.640 --> 1:42:21.400 on the first day, But we are willing to take 1:42:21.439 --> 1:42:26.519 the hit to show them that we are worth being 1:42:26.560 --> 1:42:30.479 partners with, we are worth being in bed with, and 1:42:30.920 --> 1:42:34.519 that then on the back side of that success, it's like, 1:42:34.560 --> 1:42:37.000 you know what, give you a little more to keep 1:42:37.000 --> 1:42:39.960 doing that. You know what, We're gonna give you even 1:42:39.960 --> 1:42:42.120 more of that to keep doing that. Do you have 1:42:42.160 --> 1:42:45.120 those conversations say I need more or do you hope 1:42:45.160 --> 1:42:50.439 that they'll say we're gonna give you a lot more? No, 1:42:51.080 --> 1:42:58.200 I don't. I don't. I am I'm comfortable with continuing 1:42:59.400 --> 1:43:05.559 to bet on myself. I really am. Like I just 1:43:05.800 --> 1:43:10.400 when I look at the numbers and I think everybody 1:43:10.439 --> 1:43:13.479 should get their bag. If you're worth something crazy by 1:43:13.520 --> 1:43:16.880 all means, if you can get it, get it. I 1:43:16.880 --> 1:43:20.040 don't want to I don't want to owe. Like you know, I, 1:43:20.240 --> 1:43:23.200 like I said, I'm in I'm an owner of my 1:43:23.280 --> 1:43:29.560 master's and I want to eat off my master's every 1:43:29.680 --> 1:43:32.680 by quarterly. I want a six figure check to come in. 1:43:33.560 --> 1:43:37.240 That's what I want to see for my work for 1:43:37.320 --> 1:43:40.599 the rest of my life. I mean, sure we can 1:43:41.479 --> 1:43:44.400 cash out and get you know, this big old lump 1:43:44.439 --> 1:43:48.559 sum up front, and I don't. I don't, I don't know. 1:43:48.600 --> 1:43:50.400 I don't know if that's the long game, you know 1:43:50.400 --> 1:43:52.280 what I'm saying. And then you start digging holes in 1:43:52.280 --> 1:43:55.040 so many different places where it's like at a certain point, 1:43:55.040 --> 1:43:58.120 nobody wants to do business with you because all you have, 1:43:58.720 --> 1:44:01.400 you know, you have a trail of that behind you, 1:44:02.800 --> 1:44:05.680 and nobody wants to do business with a person that 1:44:06.560 --> 1:44:11.559 is known for being with the story along with each 1:44:11.600 --> 1:44:17.000 trail of that. Every If I'm I'm in the black, 1:44:18.680 --> 1:44:22.479 I live in the black. That's why people don't mind 1:44:22.479 --> 1:44:24.439 doing business with me. That's why people don't mind doing 1:44:24.439 --> 1:44:27.559 business with us. We live in the black. I don't 1:44:27.600 --> 1:44:32.240 care what it is in the black. You do have 1:44:32.320 --> 1:44:35.320 a great partnership though, something that's kind of unheard of. 1:44:36.280 --> 1:44:38.559 You know what. That's a that's a very great that 1:44:38.600 --> 1:44:40.719 you say that. I have great partners in Atlantic Records. 1:44:41.120 --> 1:44:46.320 And one thing Craig Common said to me when I 1:44:46.320 --> 1:44:51.519 first got there is we're gonna get it. Wow, We're 1:44:51.520 --> 1:44:53.400 gonna get it. No matter how long it takes, we're 1:44:53.400 --> 1:44:59.080 gonna we're gonna get it. And never that, Yeah, we're 1:44:59.120 --> 1:45:01.240 gonna We're gonna get it. And no matter how long 1:45:01.240 --> 1:45:03.200 it text, we're gonna get it. Like we're committed to 1:45:04.040 --> 1:45:06.360 working with you and building this relationship with you, and 1:45:06.400 --> 1:45:08.600 we're going to get it. And so you think I 1:45:08.640 --> 1:45:18.040 got signed there in twenty ten, I don't know. And 1:45:20.240 --> 1:45:29.880 when we didn't happen until sixteen, we did. We were 1:45:29.920 --> 1:45:33.360 doing we're doing cool numbers, but we hadn't hit the one. 1:45:36.320 --> 1:45:42.760 So they really waited six years. They stayed rocking with me, 1:45:43.280 --> 1:45:45.800 stayed in bed with me for six years until I 1:45:45.840 --> 1:45:49.640 got the one. But that's also a testament to the 1:45:49.720 --> 1:45:54.360 type of person you are. People do business with people 1:45:54.360 --> 1:45:58.840 who they like, and you know we can, but that's 1:45:58.840 --> 1:46:01.400 who it is. I mean, you go to the office, 1:46:01.479 --> 1:46:04.559 you go tap in with people, check on people. This 1:46:04.640 --> 1:46:07.799 is the part of the business of business that people 1:46:07.880 --> 1:46:11.439 have to understand is vital. And he makes him he 1:46:11.520 --> 1:46:15.639 maintains and manages them well. They love him up there. 1:46:15.680 --> 1:46:30.760 It's not a sour thing when you hear his name door. No, 1:46:31.400 --> 1:46:33.320 they love him and they love me. They make me 1:46:33.360 --> 1:46:38.960 feel comfortable. Sure, but it's like, I just don't. I 1:46:39.080 --> 1:46:42.760 just I just don't believe in bad energy. Even if 1:46:43.040 --> 1:46:46.120 even if we're on the down, even if you know, 1:46:47.960 --> 1:46:51.000 if we're not hitting it off, you know, from a 1:46:51.040 --> 1:46:57.599 success standpoint, if the numbers aren't crazy, I'm not I'm 1:46:57.640 --> 1:47:02.160 not blaming this person or that person. Like we're in 1:47:02.200 --> 1:47:09.760 a partnership. We're a team. So the the scarboard doesn't say, 1:47:10.200 --> 1:47:14.120 you know, the marketing department loss or you know what 1:47:14.160 --> 1:47:18.680 I'm saying, or the promotions department loss or you know, 1:47:18.920 --> 1:47:22.200 he doesn't say that. It doesn't it doesn't say tank loss. 1:47:23.520 --> 1:47:27.000 When we get in this room, we did not win. 1:47:27.840 --> 1:47:32.120 So how can we fix this and make it better 1:47:32.240 --> 1:47:37.080 so that we win? Like and that I'm a team 1:47:37.120 --> 1:47:40.480 I'm I'm I'm an athlete. I come from team sports, 1:47:40.479 --> 1:47:43.680 like and I believe I'm morale and not believe in 1:47:43.840 --> 1:47:47.559 everybody feeling good about coming the work. Like when you 1:47:47.640 --> 1:47:50.599 have a new conversations, you know, with my name on 1:47:50.640 --> 1:47:53.400 the line, Like you have to understand these people, you 1:47:53.439 --> 1:47:56.439 know what I'm saying, Like whether it be Radio Um, 1:47:56.479 --> 1:47:59.120 whether it be pr whether it be all these people 1:47:59.160 --> 1:48:03.439 who are working on your behalf. Right, they can say 1:48:03.479 --> 1:48:08.600 your name with with with glee, with a smile, or 1:48:08.640 --> 1:48:10.680 they can say, oh, yeah, we got this tank thing 1:48:10.680 --> 1:48:12.240 that we're doing. Let us know if you've got space 1:48:12.280 --> 1:48:15.840 for it, right, Or they can say we got this 1:48:15.920 --> 1:48:20.160 tank thing that absolutely amazing. He's a great guy. You 1:48:20.360 --> 1:48:23.400 got you have to pay attention or you can get that. 1:48:25.320 --> 1:48:29.440 So understand how you treat these people that are speaking 1:48:30.240 --> 1:48:35.040 on your behalf as it as it as it relates 1:48:35.080 --> 1:48:39.559 to your career, your life. You don't want those people 1:48:39.600 --> 1:48:43.439 to feel good about you. You Wow, there's a lot 1:48:43.439 --> 1:48:45.800 of artists that don't understand that. They don't get it. 1:48:46.400 --> 1:48:49.960 I've gotten so many gigs and so many opportunities not 1:48:50.120 --> 1:48:53.439 because I was the biggest artist or the hottest artist 1:48:53.520 --> 1:48:58.799 at the time, because those people actually like me, because 1:48:58.840 --> 1:49:01.360 they like the tank coming here. We're gonna have a 1:49:01.439 --> 1:49:06.400 good time uble we're gonna laugh, we're gonna drink, we're 1:49:06.400 --> 1:49:09.000 gonna crack jokes, and then he gonna get on the 1:49:09.080 --> 1:49:13.000 stage and go crazy and and we're gonna have a 1:49:13.080 --> 1:49:17.680 good He's gonna take all the pictures and we're going 1:49:17.720 --> 1:49:23.799 to have a good time. And that's part of artists development. Yeah, yeah, 1:49:24.120 --> 1:49:28.200 but they don't teach. But it's already money. It's time, 1:49:29.640 --> 1:49:35.200 money gonna Learnay, definitely gonna learn today. Can I get 1:49:35.200 --> 1:49:37.640 my deal? Let's talk about this on air. Can I 1:49:37.640 --> 1:49:43.400 get my deal? Is Za's deal? What is there? So? 1:49:43.880 --> 1:49:45.720 I'm just getting back to you, back to you what 1:49:45.800 --> 1:49:47.400 I would like to know about. I would like to 1:49:47.439 --> 1:49:54.360 know about. Zena has been wanting to do a record 1:49:54.400 --> 1:49:58.679 deal for I don't know how long. I think Zena 1:49:58.920 --> 1:50:04.360 is great with hearing music. Zena can hear music. She 1:50:04.600 --> 1:50:07.960 knows when it ain't right. She knows like when it's 1:50:08.040 --> 1:50:12.080 vocally wrong, musically wrong, like she can hear. I don't 1:50:12.120 --> 1:50:14.000 know how she does it. I don't know how she's 1:50:14.040 --> 1:50:17.600 able to do that but still be toned dead, you 1:50:17.640 --> 1:50:19.960 know what I'm saying. So it's like it's like, Babe, 1:50:19.960 --> 1:50:24.360 go so nice? No, do you have so many other 1:50:24.400 --> 1:50:27.760 gifts and let's do this on their No no no, 1:50:28.680 --> 1:50:33.519 I wasn't prepared and I've been drinking Champo. No no, no, no, no, no. 1:50:33.800 --> 1:50:42.040 We have asked for this deal on air yet. Okay, 1:50:42.280 --> 1:50:45.639 so economically, so you know, it's just it's just gonna 1:50:45.680 --> 1:50:48.120 it's gonna take a little tune, take a little It's 1:50:48.120 --> 1:50:53.160 gonna take a little tune. That's okay, But I may 1:50:53.200 --> 1:50:54.960 have to break down and do one record. I can 1:50:55.000 --> 1:50:57.240 carry that stage with choreography though, I want to hear. 1:50:58.040 --> 1:51:05.080 Let's just do just give me one because it's gonna 1:51:05.080 --> 1:51:09.000 go and then we're gonna have creative monster. Ate it 1:51:09.120 --> 1:51:11.519 a monster. But that's all I want. And I'm gonna 1:51:11.600 --> 1:51:15.920 quit everytime. No you're not. You're gonna tas that first thing. 1:51:16.040 --> 1:51:18.120 You think I'll start chearing. I told you I was 1:51:18.240 --> 1:51:21.559 like that. Yeah, he was hating all this time. Oh 1:51:21.600 --> 1:51:24.320 it's gonna get it's gonna get real ugly, and I 1:51:24.320 --> 1:51:34.320 gotta get that's what you baby sitting kids right there 1:51:35.080 --> 1:51:36.920 where you're going to work. Get going. We have to 1:51:36.960 --> 1:51:41.160 get going, going to work. You know what this is? You? 1:51:42.439 --> 1:51:45.320 I would love that you said you wanted to retire, right, 1:51:45.439 --> 1:51:47.439 said you was done. I'll be running the beauty business. 1:51:48.000 --> 1:51:53.320 It's he'll be in the packing orders. Can you imagine it? 1:51:53.479 --> 1:51:56.960 Just signed to go guy still still relieve find wrinkles 1:51:57.600 --> 1:52:03.599 products are say do work, They do work and they 1:52:03.640 --> 1:52:22.040 are good. The bosto. Um, let's talk about you're gonna 1:52:22.040 --> 1:52:24.920 do a top five. I love to do a top five. 1:52:25.240 --> 1:52:28.479 Let's do a top five. Top five? What top five? 1:52:29.400 --> 1:52:31.120 I'm even gonna say R and B. Let's just say 1:52:31.880 --> 1:52:35.479 top five. I don't even go artists or you want 1:52:35.479 --> 1:52:41.800 to go albums stuff. Mhm. I'll start with artists. Top 1:52:41.800 --> 1:52:50.600 five artists, top five artists, Jesus, top five artists. I 1:52:50.640 --> 1:52:56.559 don't want to stick it to R and B. Whatever, everything, Okay, 1:52:56.560 --> 1:53:03.439 five Marvin Gaye, Okay, we gotta start there. We're gonna 1:53:03.479 --> 1:53:14.080 start there. Um Reverend John P. King, Okay, I go there, commissioned, 1:53:16.920 --> 1:53:29.880 I gotta go there. Joy See, I know what Joe 1:53:29.920 --> 1:53:33.040 five is gonna be, but you don't want it to be. 1:53:39.320 --> 1:53:41.200 You don't have to say, we know what it is. 1:53:43.640 --> 1:53:58.240 Jesus saw he's a goner. He's a good That is 1:53:58.320 --> 1:54:02.639 so funny. So yeah, I mean it's a top top 1:54:02.680 --> 1:54:06.559 five because it's a tough top five, because you know, 1:54:06.720 --> 1:54:10.920 there's Kim barell Um, There's there's Beyonce of course or 1:54:11.000 --> 1:54:16.599 Beyonce Um, there's Celine dion Um, and there's Aretha Franklin. 1:54:16.880 --> 1:54:19.439 I just it's I just gave a I just gave 1:54:19.479 --> 1:54:21.439 a top five that came to my head. I'm saying, 1:54:21.600 --> 1:54:29.799 what's your next favorite genre of music outside of army whatever? 1:54:29.880 --> 1:54:38.520 Lenny Kravitz does, whatever you call that, whatever, whatever that is, 1:54:38.680 --> 1:54:41.240 right does he does? It have a It's a Lenny Kravitz, 1:54:41.320 --> 1:54:47.160 It's a Kravt. It's rock, it's it's funk, it's it's 1:54:47.320 --> 1:54:52.880 worldly like, it's it's everything. Whatever he does, that's my 1:54:53.000 --> 1:54:58.400 next favorite genre of music. I want to reincarnate and 1:54:58.520 --> 1:55:01.000 come back with a guitar. You have the hair, and 1:55:01.520 --> 1:55:06.440 I was going to say leather pants, boots and uh 1:55:06.120 --> 1:55:09.800 and in a fish fish net tank tok. Think still sexy. 1:55:09.840 --> 1:55:12.839 I can take that. You want, Gene, He's still sexy. 1:55:12.920 --> 1:55:17.960 I can take that. Yeah, I can take I can 1:55:18.000 --> 1:55:21.840 take you. Being Linny Krabing worried to say, let me 1:55:21.880 --> 1:55:26.960 take Lenny kravisten. Listen, we sa you have to do 1:55:27.000 --> 1:55:29.880 Sometimes sometimes you just have to give a pass right 1:55:30.360 --> 1:55:36.120 because some ballots. You're gonna lose, right, Lenny Crabs, let 1:55:36.200 --> 1:55:39.320 me get that pants. I'm probably gonna need your woman 1:55:39.360 --> 1:55:42.880 for the night. You know what. You be careful with that, Okay, 1:55:43.440 --> 1:55:45.760 at a certain time, just you send her back in 1:55:45.880 --> 1:55:48.400 one piece and if you want to, and if you 1:55:48.440 --> 1:55:50.880 want to send her back with a stipend, you can 1:55:50.960 --> 1:55:59.120 also that if you want. Has a friend name is yeah? Cool? 1:56:02.600 --> 1:56:11.080 Every I don't know a few questions. Favorite female R 1:56:11.160 --> 1:56:14.960 and B artists very tough. Actually, favorite female R and 1:56:15.040 --> 1:56:27.560 B album better? I mean, you gotta look at your phone. No, no, 1:56:27.640 --> 1:56:32.400 I want to be clear about about I know whose 1:56:32.440 --> 1:56:35.000 album is it is? I just want to be clear about. 1:56:37.400 --> 1:56:39.640 Can we get that little Doo Doo Doo amazing? No, 1:56:39.800 --> 1:56:45.600 we don't. You're gonna um just say the artists. We 1:56:45.640 --> 1:56:47.480 can help you figure it out. We gotta say the 1:56:47.520 --> 1:56:50.040 album because if you stayed the artists Brandy never say Never, 1:56:50.240 --> 1:56:53.480 oh period, I'm sorry you like to never say never? 1:56:53.600 --> 1:56:59.560 Better than Full Moon, Yeah, never say Nevers? Yeah? Is 1:56:59.600 --> 1:57:03.000 Angel Disguise? That's I mean, that is a great album. 1:57:03.240 --> 1:57:07.240 But my favorite female R and B album is Brandy Fullmo. 1:57:07.640 --> 1:57:09.040 Let let me look at Let me look at Fullmo 1:57:09.920 --> 1:57:14.040 for Memon. The record is one of the greatest records 1:57:14.040 --> 1:57:16.640 I think ever, just that record, from top to bottom. 1:57:16.720 --> 1:57:20.200 They call the tracks tracks on the tracks, but never 1:57:20.280 --> 1:57:25.800 say never, transmation, never say never is just place. Have 1:57:25.920 --> 1:57:28.760 you ever? Have you ever missed everything? Put that on, 1:57:28.960 --> 1:57:33.120 put that on that Oh I love that. I think 1:57:33.160 --> 1:57:36.800 about it, about it because never say is that Angela Scott. 1:57:36.840 --> 1:57:41.480 That's that's top to bottom and I love you that's 1:57:41.520 --> 1:57:47.360 what it's look at. Yeah, baby, Full Moon probably has 1:57:47.960 --> 1:57:51.520 killed that album. Full Moon probably has my favorite Brandy song, 1:57:52.680 --> 1:57:57.320 which one when you Touch Me? Oh my god, I 1:57:57.360 --> 1:57:59.800 love that song when listen, let me tell you. I 1:57:59.800 --> 1:58:02.120 don't know what it was, but when that album came out, 1:58:02.440 --> 1:58:06.160 I used to love to just drive album and being 1:58:06.240 --> 1:58:07.560 my feelings. I don't care if it was in a 1:58:07.640 --> 1:58:10.760 good place or a bad place. My feeling you have 1:58:10.840 --> 1:58:14.840 to say never. In Full Moon I would put up 1:58:14.880 --> 1:58:25.520 against any females, anyone, anybody. Yeah, me too, that thing, 1:58:25.720 --> 1:58:29.080 Oh my goodness, every record, every song, every touch me. 1:58:30.280 --> 1:58:33.960 When I heard that song, I was so. When I 1:58:34.080 --> 1:58:37.960 heard that song, I was so, I was it. It 1:58:38.640 --> 1:58:41.080 took me a while to audit the song because some 1:58:41.280 --> 1:58:45.360 songs just some songs just messed me up. That's one 1:58:45.400 --> 1:58:47.360 of the songs that messed me up. It took me. 1:58:47.560 --> 1:58:50.880 The other the song recently that messed me up. That 1:58:51.040 --> 1:58:54.040 that that I'm still auditing, still trying to get out 1:58:54.080 --> 1:58:58.440 of my feelings about It's heart damage. Oh yeah, yeah, 1:59:00.440 --> 1:59:07.280 anybody shout out to cardiac. Oh my gosh, are you 1:59:07.480 --> 1:59:11.760 kidding me? Are you kidding me? That's the song, the 1:59:12.160 --> 1:59:16.960 original song already itself damaged me, already messed me up. 1:59:17.480 --> 1:59:20.960 And then they did that h when you touched me? 1:59:21.800 --> 1:59:28.280 That Now, I'm totally with that. I'm with that answer too, 1:59:28.920 --> 1:59:33.520 totally totally aligned. Right, I gotta get her on the pod. 1:59:34.120 --> 1:59:36.720 She's come, She's gonna come, she'll come. Do you know 1:59:36.760 --> 1:59:39.000 how important she like I'm born and like, do you 1:59:39.120 --> 1:59:42.680 not how important? Like we have like Brandy. I saw 1:59:42.800 --> 1:59:49.080 Brandy sing. I introduced Brandy at um at um. What 1:59:49.280 --> 1:59:56.760 was the Army Knight? Philip? Philip? I think was the 1:59:56.800 --> 2:00:00.240 reason we would be? I hosted, I was hosting it. Yeah, 2:00:00.280 --> 2:00:04.960 she was, And I introduced Brandy and I watched my 2:00:05.160 --> 2:00:10.880 friends guys while she was singing. I watched him hug 2:00:10.960 --> 2:00:21.880 each other, Yeah, huddled up together. Men just done watching. 2:00:22.000 --> 2:00:29.920 I'm saying like this, she was just she was just Brandy. Brandy. 2:00:30.000 --> 2:00:33.800 Oh she's so good voice like that, change the world 2:00:34.120 --> 2:00:38.320 runs like that. I mean, she's her runs voice, just 2:00:38.880 --> 2:00:43.840 different gifts, different kind of gifts, different kind of gifts. Yeah, 2:00:44.440 --> 2:00:51.800 what else does hot mess? I was living at Brandy 2:00:51.880 --> 2:00:57.480 in the conversar radie. I told you to burst. There's 2:00:57.520 --> 2:00:59.520 one time I did get mad at Brandy in real life. 2:01:00.280 --> 2:01:03.200 Remember my birthday party in l A. Just going real, 2:01:03.960 --> 2:01:06.200 don't be real it was It wasn't bad. It was 2:01:06.280 --> 2:01:07.640 my birthday party in l A. And one of my 2:01:07.720 --> 2:01:09.800 really good friends was pregnant. She was at my birthday 2:01:09.840 --> 2:01:12.640 party and Brandy approached her for being pregnant in the 2:01:12.720 --> 2:01:17.160 club down and I was like, whoa, she's here to 2:01:17.240 --> 2:01:21.800 celebrate me. We're just having here with this child. Now, 2:01:22.400 --> 2:01:26.800 I does that? She crazy? She's on the mother's board. 2:01:27.360 --> 2:01:30.280 Came to sit her down. She's like, wait, you shouldn't 2:01:30.320 --> 2:01:36.640 be on here here the Lord. I was like. It 2:01:36.760 --> 2:01:39.280 was so funny because she was my favorite female R 2:01:39.360 --> 2:01:45.440 and B artist. No, I love her. What I'm just saying, 2:01:45.520 --> 2:01:47.680 I just remember that moment that was so funny to me. 2:01:48.080 --> 2:01:52.360 Is Mariah Carey R and B two M too. I 2:01:52.440 --> 2:01:59.920 mean Mariah Carey eventually moved into a more soulful space 2:02:01.400 --> 2:02:05.400 because there are different you know, there's so many different 2:02:05.440 --> 2:02:08.760 nuances to R and B and so when you when 2:02:08.800 --> 2:02:12.000 you say pop, you're just saying music is more popular. 2:02:13.000 --> 2:02:15.880 But when you're singing about love, singing from the depths 2:02:15.880 --> 2:02:19.240 of your soul, Yeah, music to me absolutely, just in 2:02:19.280 --> 2:02:21.720 a different space. You know what I'm saying, pop was 2:02:21.840 --> 2:02:25.280 the or the word pop was created so that certain 2:02:25.320 --> 2:02:27.200 people could take ownership of it. But you know that's 2:02:27.200 --> 2:02:32.400 a different type of conversation, conversation, different real conversation. But yeah, 2:02:32.520 --> 2:02:36.880 Mari Carry, Mari Carry is capable of all things, all 2:02:36.960 --> 2:02:43.160 things absolutely, Marian Oh dirty bastard. She's the only artist 2:02:43.280 --> 2:02:47.160 that did which she did because she didn't have to 2:02:48.520 --> 2:02:55.720 did not that she never needed she needs. Yeah, she 2:02:55.840 --> 2:03:02.120 needed it. Yeah, there's a she didn't need it, but 2:03:02.560 --> 2:03:06.880 for her, for her soul, I need to shed. I 2:03:06.960 --> 2:03:10.440 need to get to that ship I need That's what 2:03:10.560 --> 2:03:12.600 I really do. That y'all don't know that I do. 2:03:12.920 --> 2:03:17.360 I can't imagine. I want O dB on. They were like, now, 2:03:17.960 --> 2:03:28.720 what change that record is? Like, where's locks? Need I 2:03:28.880 --> 2:03:31.520 need that ship. Yeah, she had to bring in her 2:03:31.520 --> 2:03:33.240 other side. Then you have to think about this like 2:03:34.160 --> 2:03:38.640 it only works if we believe her. Sure we did, absolutely, 2:03:38.840 --> 2:03:42.879 still do. Absolutely A choice inspired you as far as musically, 2:03:43.080 --> 2:03:47.320 like vocally. I know you came from the church, but 2:03:47.560 --> 2:03:56.960 what artists um Shot study Reverend Reverend drop study, commissioned 2:03:57.960 --> 2:04:02.000 study baby Face, that's study Bryan and Night. I studied 2:04:02.080 --> 2:04:05.240 R Kelly, I studied You'll to See. And this is 2:04:05.320 --> 2:04:07.000 all late in the game because I really wasn't able 2:04:07.000 --> 2:04:09.840 to listen to this stuff. I studied New Edition, I 2:04:09.880 --> 2:04:12.600 studied Anything Jimmy Jim and Terry Lewis. Did you know 2:04:12.640 --> 2:04:14.320 I had to go back and dig in the crates 2:04:14.400 --> 2:04:17.360 and and and learn all of these things that all 2:04:17.440 --> 2:04:21.600 that had already passed me by, studied the Late Bolt. 2:04:21.800 --> 2:04:23.640 You know, I didn't start doing R B music until 2:04:23.720 --> 2:04:28.960 ninety six. I graduated high school ninety four. So much 2:04:29.040 --> 2:04:31.280 great R and B before then, so much, and I 2:04:31.360 --> 2:04:33.800 had to I had to go back and listen and 2:04:34.160 --> 2:04:36.640 and and dig into those crates. But I like, I 2:04:36.760 --> 2:04:41.880 was a student of music of so many dope artists 2:04:41.920 --> 2:04:46.560 because you know, I wanted to have it all, and 2:04:46.640 --> 2:04:49.040 so I would sit in my room with my keyboard. 2:04:49.320 --> 2:04:51.160 Had a p v D p M four. My mother 2:04:51.280 --> 2:04:53.280 brought it for me, my first synthesizer. I could do 2:04:53.360 --> 2:04:56.320 tracks on and shout out to your mother, shout out 2:04:56.360 --> 2:05:01.720 to mom's financing my joint and paying the bill and uh. 2:05:02.480 --> 2:05:04.800 And I would sit in my room from sun up 2:05:04.840 --> 2:05:08.320 to sundown. I didn't even know it was nighttime. I 2:05:08.320 --> 2:05:11.280 would get up. I would eat breakfast, and then my 2:05:11.400 --> 2:05:12.840 mom will come in the room. She's like, what are 2:05:12.840 --> 2:05:14.880 you doing. I was like, I'm just you understoding. She's like, 2:05:14.920 --> 2:05:16.000 do you know what time it is? I was like, 2:05:16.440 --> 2:05:21.160 you know, She's like, it's nine o'clock at night. She's like, 2:05:21.240 --> 2:05:24.200 have you eaven? I was like no, I forgot. I 2:05:24.320 --> 2:05:28.280 was like a hundred pounds. So I would not I 2:05:28.320 --> 2:05:32.240 wouldn't even eat. I would be on studying, studying. Timberland 2:05:32.320 --> 2:05:34.760 was my favorite producer, so I would in my little 2:05:35.280 --> 2:05:38.160 nine track sequencer. I would try to reproduce all the 2:05:38.240 --> 2:05:41.880 songs that Timberland did. I would try to reproduce Eli. 2:05:42.040 --> 2:05:45.880 I would try to reproduce you know, genuine. I will 2:05:45.920 --> 2:05:47.840 try to reproduce all of these different things. You know 2:05:47.880 --> 2:05:50.200 what I'm saying. So I gotta be like Timberland, you 2:05:50.200 --> 2:05:54.280 know what I'm saying, And I study the craft, study 2:05:54.520 --> 2:05:56.640 like baby Face was the first R and B artist 2:05:56.680 --> 2:05:58.600 whose songs I could sing if a girl asked me 2:05:58.680 --> 2:06:01.000 to sing something, because it was nice songs, you know 2:06:01.040 --> 2:06:03.760 what I'm saying. So that's where I kind of first 2:06:03.840 --> 2:06:06.040 got my little taste of singing R and B music 2:06:06.120 --> 2:06:08.800 was singing babysitting baby Face songs. You know I'm saying. 2:06:08.800 --> 2:06:10.800 On the whipp a pill, you know that tender love 2:06:10.840 --> 2:06:13.200 an you know what I'm saying, Like I could sing 2:06:13.280 --> 2:06:17.640 tender songs. You say, tender songs work for the church, kid. 2:06:18.240 --> 2:06:22.920 So you know, I studied so much. I studied all 2:06:23.000 --> 2:06:25.040 of it. Like I can tell you. I can tell 2:06:25.080 --> 2:06:27.280 you how you know, all of those artists I name, 2:06:27.360 --> 2:06:29.360 I can tell you how they do their thing down 2:06:29.400 --> 2:06:31.720 to the science and I can and I can tell 2:06:31.840 --> 2:06:36.240 that crazy that you have a relationship with people's circle, right, Yes, 2:06:36.520 --> 2:06:40.240 that is that is crazy. Yeah, yeah, that's nuts. I 2:06:40.360 --> 2:06:44.320 never thought of that. I never. I never thought of that. 2:06:45.480 --> 2:06:48.240 I never, I never. I never thought of that. That's 2:06:48.320 --> 2:06:51.960 the beauty in it. Yeah, you're destined to do exactly 2:06:52.080 --> 2:06:56.960 what you've done in this world. Profit Todd Hall. When 2:06:57.000 --> 2:07:01.160 I was um, I used to open for him. You know, 2:07:01.200 --> 2:07:03.160 I has to come seeing a couple of selections before 2:07:03.160 --> 2:07:06.280 he would preach. And he prophesied on me one day 2:07:06.320 --> 2:07:09.000 and he was like, this, this won't be the place 2:07:09.160 --> 2:07:14.440 where you are called to go out there. I was like, 2:07:15.520 --> 2:07:18.520 what do you mean? Yeah, so you're called to go 2:07:18.600 --> 2:07:22.440 out there and be correct prophet. I don't told me that. 2:07:23.120 --> 2:07:25.680 And and I don't think anybody in the church at 2:07:25.760 --> 2:07:32.000 that moment we're got that or we're too excited about that. 2:07:32.280 --> 2:07:36.080 Definitely not gonna say that. But he's you know, he's 2:07:36.080 --> 2:07:38.680 one of the realists. He's one of the realists. You know, 2:07:38.960 --> 2:07:40.720 he's a prophet who I have to honor him as 2:07:40.720 --> 2:07:43.240 a prophet. But he's one of the realist Niggers I've 2:07:43.280 --> 2:07:46.280 ever met. Yeah, so that's the second honor, right after 2:07:46.320 --> 2:07:51.440 the I have to I have to honor him as 2:07:51.440 --> 2:07:52.880 a prophet first. You know what I'm saying. I can't. 2:07:52.880 --> 2:07:59.840 I can't disrespect that realistical. And he told me said, 2:08:00.080 --> 2:08:05.480 will you will prosper out there? So so many you 2:08:05.560 --> 2:08:07.920 knew it? Yeah, I mean, of course he knows it. 2:08:11.200 --> 2:08:18.320 All right, we do it be money. He said, retire, 2:08:18.440 --> 2:08:22.400 But I don't think as much as I hope to make, 2:08:27.040 --> 2:08:30.680 we canang lose you. Banker said, we can't lose you 2:08:32.000 --> 2:08:35.240 if Anita comes in on this case need his Instagram 2:08:35.480 --> 2:08:39.440 right right? You know Anita comes to the couch and 2:08:39.560 --> 2:08:41.280 then Nita comes in on the couch. I am going 2:08:41.360 --> 2:08:54.400 to shout the pool yeah don't but did you have 2:08:54.520 --> 2:09:00.200 a good time? Often here we go if you give 2:09:00.280 --> 2:09:03.600 you all today because it was my first time. But 2:09:03.640 --> 2:09:05.680 don't don't let me sit here. I would like to 2:09:05.720 --> 2:09:09.760 see more of the woman aspect and point of view 2:09:10.680 --> 2:09:13.320 on the Army Money podcast. Just let us know. You know, 2:09:13.360 --> 2:09:17.760 we're always into giving the people what they want, and 2:09:18.400 --> 2:09:22.520 to be honest, let's just say women is I personally 2:09:22.560 --> 2:09:27.480 feel like who RMB is supposed to cater to. So 2:09:27.560 --> 2:09:32.160 I appreciate you for having so women. Women run this world? Sure, 2:09:32.560 --> 2:09:37.040 period point black. So I am honored to have my 2:09:37.240 --> 2:09:42.160 sister Ms Ditty on the Army Money Podcast and honor 2:09:42.680 --> 2:09:46.480 to have my beautiful wife in the ads on the 2:09:46.720 --> 2:09:52.680 Army Money Army Money Podcast. Ladies and gentlemen, um, I'm Tank. 2:09:55.560 --> 2:10:00.200 This is the Army Money Podcast, the authority on all 2:10:00.400 --> 2:10:07.600 things r and b I might be retired. We might 2:10:07.920 --> 2:10:21.720 maybe not that the church and being money