Speaker 1: Well, thank We are the authority on all things R
Speaker 1: and B. Ladies and gentlemen, what's going on? I am
Speaker 1: Tank and this is the R and B Money Podcast,
Speaker 1: the authority on all things R and B all things.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I don't know what me sit here. This
Speaker 1: ain't this ain't my normal seat. But this is not
Speaker 1: a normal R and B Money podcast. Today I'm in
Speaker 1: the hot seat R and B Money. It's out my
Speaker 1: last album. That's what this is gonna be about. And
Speaker 1: to have this special R and B Money episode, I
Speaker 1: have two special people here with me in the building.
Speaker 1: Let me take a drink. Well to special people in
Speaker 1: the house. UM, I like to call my friend this woman,
Speaker 1: I just call her a business one. That is it.
Speaker 1: If it is business, she can handle it, she can
Speaker 1: do it. Please, uh give some spinker snaps money podcast
Speaker 1: world to my family. Ms y'all, I would like to
Speaker 1: Curtsey and then, UM, I mean, first of all, let
Speaker 1: me let me get to it. Okay. First of all, okay,
Speaker 1: a person, a woman who knew me when I'm talking about,
Speaker 1: danced in my first video. I mean we called eyes.
Speaker 1: She saw a player. She said, I see that. I'll
Speaker 1: say that. I'll say that eye contact was mutual. Um,
Speaker 1: we have been we have been friends for a long time.
Speaker 1: We have been best friends. Um, we are soul mates.
Speaker 1: And she is a businessman, but more importantly the mother
Speaker 1: of my kids and my wife. Last year, looking champagne.
Speaker 1: We gotta start, no, woman's get the start up right.
Speaker 1: This is special. Ladies love champagne. Okay, everybody watching Normy
Speaker 1: Money podcast, Ladies love champagne. You know they also dabbled
Speaker 1: in tequila, you know, but if they start dabbling in that,
Speaker 1: then that tequila. I just let you know how that
Speaker 1: night is gonna go. Protect yourself at all times. How
Speaker 1: y'all doing, how y'all feel to be? I'm ready, You're ready. Ready.
Speaker 1: I feel like in my hot seat because I'm almost here.
Speaker 1: I'll something. I feel like Becausina said, we're drinking champagne here,
Speaker 1: So I mean, what a freaking honor. First of all,
Speaker 1: can I say how inspirational you guys are. I know
Speaker 1: that word is like throwing around, you know, people use it.
Speaker 1: It sounds cute and whatever, but it's the truth. Man.
Speaker 1: You know, I like to I've been a friend of
Speaker 1: you guys, UM for a long part of you your
Speaker 1: journey and I'm just happy to be here with you
Speaker 1: guys as husband, as wife, a beautiful family, incredible friends
Speaker 1: to a lot of people, good people. You know, aside
Speaker 1: from what the world sees on like Instagram or you
Speaker 1: on stage or anything like that. You guys are good
Speaker 1: hearted people and you're good people to a lot of people.
Speaker 1: So I just want to say cheers to that, Cheers
Speaker 1: to family, Cheers to keeping that thing strong man. Love
Speaker 1: y'all me like links click, I won't know, Okay. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm not leading this, so I'm going to turn it
Speaker 1: over to the ladies and I'm gonna sit in this
Speaker 1: hot seat and hot do you want to see? It's
Speaker 1: about my music something years very focus, Okay, I Today's
Speaker 1: Flower Days as you eloquently purchased for me on the
Speaker 1: on the on the release of Army. Yeah, awesome for that.
Speaker 1: You know, we're all about the details over here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a great cover. Why did that cover? What? What?
Speaker 1: What was in that for that cover? What did that
Speaker 1: feel like for you? Um? Great question. Shout out to
Speaker 1: my brother Rich Fresh who who completely just doctored up
Speaker 1: that entire look. Um. Shout out to um, my brother
Speaker 1: Iron Javar, who always looked too for the co sign
Speaker 1: when it comes to my styling choices and of course
Speaker 1: the things he brings you know to the table. Um
Speaker 1: I wanted. I wanted R and B money. Of course,
Speaker 1: as me naming the label R and B money, it
Speaker 1: means that R and B makes money. Um, I'm a
Speaker 1: prime example of R and B making money. And so
Speaker 1: for the album to be called R and B Money,
Speaker 1: I wanted to look absolutely like money. So I wanted
Speaker 1: to look refined. I wanted to look tailored. I wanted
Speaker 1: to look presentable, um, just on a level I probably
Speaker 1: hadn't been um seen before in a long time. You know, normally,
Speaker 1: as you know, normally, as tis the deal. He always
Speaker 1: has the feel and I'm a big yeller for that.
Speaker 1: I'm always for his You're I'm always asking him. I'm like,
Speaker 1: when are you going to a feeling like it going
Speaker 1: to stop? And I'm like, I'm like whenever when I can't.
Speaker 1: A lot of people can't. Okay, I don't talk about
Speaker 1: what you get to touch on. Um, I just think that,
Speaker 1: you know, that's an aesthetic of R and B that
Speaker 1: I want, you know, R and B artists to not
Speaker 1: be afraid of, you know, what I'm saying, because I
Speaker 1: think we've all kind of taken the dope boy fresh rap,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. We've all now, um, dabbled
Speaker 1: into the jewelry and and and extra. You know, we've
Speaker 1: dabbled into the I think I think the BB Simon
Speaker 1: belt is back, and you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: everybody's got the same gene and the same you know,
Speaker 1: we've all dabbled into that space. But I think that there's, um,
Speaker 1: there's a space where R and B. It's also very
Speaker 1: buttoned up. You know what I'm saying. It's very classy
Speaker 1: and it's very elegant, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: that's the that's the R and B that I grew upon,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Joe to see was you know,
Speaker 1: a break of the monotony, you know, a necessary change
Speaker 1: to add balance to it all. But Boys two Men
Speaker 1: was buttoned up, Maxwell buttoned up. I'm saying, a baby
Speaker 1: face buttoned up. It sounds like it, it looked like it,
Speaker 1: it felt like it. It landed and and I think
Speaker 1: with the even with the album, I wanted to completely
Speaker 1: land in an R and B space. I wanted to
Speaker 1: listen to my album and without a doubt know that
Speaker 1: we're somewhere in between the nineties and the early two thousand's,
Speaker 1: like that's where this album lives. And for the first
Speaker 1: ten songs, you know, my my my take on R
Speaker 1: and B is it's always a conversation with a woman
Speaker 1: or about a woman. And so my first ten songs
Speaker 1: on my album, whatever you need to say about that
Speaker 1: woman to that woman, this is your opportunity to say
Speaker 1: in these first ten songs. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: What's one of the most important things you had to
Speaker 1: say to Zina? Mhm, I pict your face be it's
Speaker 1: about a conversation, what a wantan oh, you know what?
Speaker 1: You know what? Tell her where your inspiration? This is great?
Speaker 1: Or YouTube? Um, the most important thing I had to
Speaker 1: say to Zena and don't made me cry because I
Speaker 1: did my makeup today. Okay, it wasn't one thing, sure,
Speaker 1: it was a whole thing. Um, the truth and then
Speaker 1: go ahead, that's good. The truth. Yeah, And so from
Speaker 1: the truth you get a song like can't let it
Speaker 1: show you know what I mean? Where you know the truth?
Speaker 1: At this point, it's probably a little too late. The truth.
Speaker 1: After the truth at this point, the truth at this point,
Speaker 1: not today, I'm saying in the conversation, at this point,
Speaker 1: it's probably too late. And so this same truth that
Speaker 1: probably would have made her cry a year ago now
Speaker 1: makes her look at me and disgusted and say, I
Speaker 1: don't even have I don't I can't even cry for
Speaker 1: you like you so stupid, You're so out of control,
Speaker 1: You're so stupid. I can't even cry. And it makes
Speaker 1: me say, oh my god, you just finished my song.
Speaker 1: I should be crying, but I just can't let it show.
Speaker 1: I should be crying, but I can't stop thinking all
Speaker 1: the things you should have done, but all the things
Speaker 1: you should have said when a woman is out of that.
Speaker 1: But back to your question, that was the hardest thing
Speaker 1: I've ever had to tell z is It's not one
Speaker 1: It's not one thing. It's a whole Thing's the whole thing.
Speaker 1: And so, you know, as much of as much as
Speaker 1: I live it out of my music, I had to
Speaker 1: live it in real life and and endure the ramifications,
Speaker 1: you know, the repercussions that come along with it. And unfortunately,
Speaker 1: fortunately that's also sacrificial because then comes music with that too,
Speaker 1: that that that is scary right, that is scary because
Speaker 1: it is a constant reminder, sacrificial. And so I gotta,
Speaker 1: you know, while this song is on, while I'm performing,
Speaker 1: i gotta check on my life. And I'm like, we're good.
Speaker 1: It sounds good, We're still good. We're gonna be all
Speaker 1: right after that, just thought about sick of it. I'm
Speaker 1: sick of it half. I mean, just come on, I'm
Speaker 1: done with all of this. But you can get your
Speaker 1: inspiration for songs from real life experiences. Sure, yeah, so
Speaker 1: this is your last album? Yes, So that means we're
Speaker 1: good now. It's so good. You don't have to you
Speaker 1: don't have to live that way sailing at this point on.
Speaker 1: I just want to know so clear. I think that
Speaker 1: you know, from an album process, I'm done making albums
Speaker 1: for myself for sure. Um, but you know I'm acting now,
Speaker 1: doing more acting. That's where I'm at, um, doing my
Speaker 1: stand up and producing and writing more for other artists,
Speaker 1: building the label. Um. So from a time standpoint, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not done. Like I like to say that, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm still in the building. I'm just on a different floor.
Speaker 1: Would you say that's what you say to your fans?
Speaker 1: Like as a fan right sitting here like in the
Speaker 1: mini hats that I'm blessed to wear um with friends
Speaker 1: in your spaces, but as a fan that I see
Speaker 1: here and here that it's kind of nerve. It's it's
Speaker 1: hitting a nerve. It's not like, oh I'm so happy.
Speaker 1: He's probably I'm probably the only person. Yeah, she's that.
Speaker 1: We're good. But you know you you and you're not
Speaker 1: about to pull a radio Okay now say okay, sorry,
Speaker 1: we might because you know I'm all things. This is crazy. Um, um,
Speaker 1: we're at we're at um. The Usher show sure, absolutely amazing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: By the way, if you haven't been to Usher's residency,
Speaker 1: if you are a true R and B fing mm hmm,
Speaker 1: you make the voyage how other religious people make make
Speaker 1: their voyage to Mecca. You make the voyage to Vegas
Speaker 1: to see Usher and see R and B music on.
Speaker 1: I held up a stage continue at the Usher show,
Speaker 1: and I need to Baker's. Did Tevin Campbell's there? Shout
Speaker 1: out to Campbell? Shout out to Tevin Campbell. Amazing night.
Speaker 1: I need a Baker's. And and Anita sees me um
Speaker 1: and and she says, oh my god, come here, come here,
Speaker 1: and she says, we can't lose. You don't do that
Speaker 1: to me, I thought I had some sense to share
Speaker 1: and I was like, I was hold up, mhm, No,
Speaker 1: that's a that's that because that's what I'm that's I
Speaker 1: got to tech you on, Jackie want just because that's
Speaker 1: just that hit me so differently in anything, because first
Speaker 1: of all, that's the need of Baker Um, the R
Speaker 1: and B that I was allowed to listen to that
Speaker 1: I grew up on. There were there were three albums
Speaker 1: sitting on my father's record player. There was New Addition,
Speaker 1: God and Anita Baker Wow. And that's what I would
Speaker 1: listen to every day I came home from school every day.
Speaker 1: And so you know, I met the need, had the
Speaker 1: pleasure of meeting her a few times. But her saying
Speaker 1: that to me and in my mind, me not even
Speaker 1: knowing that me retire would even reach Yeah, the depths
Speaker 1: of and Anita Baker who is living in her her
Speaker 1: own universe by herself stand alone, right, And when she
Speaker 1: said that, like, I didn't know what to say. You know,
Speaker 1: I have I have words for any type of any situation.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can you know, talk and articulate my
Speaker 1: feelings at any moment in any time, and I did,
Speaker 1: I had no I didn't know what to say, and
Speaker 1: I honestly, I don't even think she realized that it
Speaker 1: was so much commotion going on and so many people
Speaker 1: thronging her and wanting to be in her space. I
Speaker 1: literally that kind of just back and got out of
Speaker 1: there because it just hit me. It just hit me
Speaker 1: in such a grazy place, and so um, you know,
Speaker 1: that conversation was was was, I don't I don't know
Speaker 1: what that's gonna do to moving forward, right um. And
Speaker 1: then even for that, I have a conversation with DJ
Speaker 1: Drama and I'm just you know, I'm quizzing DJ Drama about,
Speaker 1: you know, the success of his label and how he's
Speaker 1: been able to do it for so long and building
Speaker 1: artists and all these things, you know, because I really
Speaker 1: want to break artists and DJ Drama that that's what
Speaker 1: he does. And he was like, yeah, but this retiring thing, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not that's that's that's not it. And he was like,
Speaker 1: he was like, you have to maintain the platform because
Speaker 1: that platform is everything in terms of you helping your
Speaker 1: artists or the next generation of artists, Like that platform
Speaker 1: has to be maintained. We can't lose that platform. And
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I heard him at the time,
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm still just push him in retirement and still,
Speaker 1: and then Anita comes behind and says, we can't lose you,
Speaker 1: and I'm like Jesus Christ, yeah, because for me, it's
Speaker 1: like no, I know that's how everything, but not everybody
Speaker 1: would take it that way for every artist. Some artists
Speaker 1: can say you be like, Okay, God, bless good night,
Speaker 1: thanks for letting us know. But for you, I think
Speaker 1: it's important that that is understood, that that place, that throne,
Speaker 1: that's that you've built and created, that's for you. It's
Speaker 1: like I would love to sit here and be like
Speaker 1: or so about their ensinment as friends, you know, but
Speaker 1: I can't say that your fans are happy to hear that.
Speaker 1: That doesn't feel good because you have to think about
Speaker 1: what R and B feels like to you. There's no
Speaker 1: other music. I love all genres. I'm a child of
Speaker 1: a musician. I love I love every piece of every
Speaker 1: genre of music. But there's no music that makes us
Speaker 1: feel like R and B. It's rhythm and blues. It
Speaker 1: derives from everything our people created whether it's jazz blues,
Speaker 1: like it derives from everything that who we are, it's
Speaker 1: our soul. So it's like the general And then right
Speaker 1: now is such a crazy time in the R and
Speaker 1: B world because it's such a fight right now for
Speaker 1: everybody to say Army still alive, Army is dead. Everybody
Speaker 1: has an opinion about R and B. And now you're
Speaker 1: like on the forefront of trying to save R and
Speaker 1: make it what it's supposed to be and bring it
Speaker 1: back to what it should be. So it's like the
Speaker 1: moment you decide that you kind of want to be
Speaker 1: done or walk away from it. It's like in the
Speaker 1: middle of that, in the middle of the war, it's
Speaker 1: like Jamika Mallory saying she's not gonna do the woman's marching. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I encourage all sides and I know that the
Speaker 1: heart is right to really save R and B. From
Speaker 1: a even a resource standpoint, like there's so much to work,
Speaker 1: the Tank brand to work, the Tank music, to work
Speaker 1: that that maybe it's a feeling or I'm asking you,
Speaker 1: is it well, how can I also build for other artists?
Speaker 1: Is if I have to still put so much work,
Speaker 1: you're only human. I think I just have to I
Speaker 1: have to manage my time better. It's hard to do that,
Speaker 1: and it's hard to do that because, you know, but
Speaker 1: I think that my mindset, being kind of in a
Speaker 1: retirement space, has already given me UM has already given
Speaker 1: me the fuel to to move forward really on building
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and grabbing and nurturing and
Speaker 1: then and then figuring out a time for myself, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I think it's really just
Speaker 1: going to be about, you know, trying to figure out
Speaker 1: how to manage that time better because it's been so
Speaker 1: all about me. Yeah, that I don't want it to
Speaker 1: be that because I don't feel like I don't feel
Speaker 1: like one person is going to save R and B.
Speaker 1: I feel like the collective is. And I mass some
Speaker 1: saying safe because R and B is is a lie.
Speaker 1: It's saved. But to get R and B back to
Speaker 1: its prominence, it's going to take all of us. It's
Speaker 1: going to take people feel though, well, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: going to take the people who make people feel you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, come together a great conversation with
Speaker 1: with with usher and and like it's his like his
Speaker 1: passion about R and B music is just hearing hearing
Speaker 1: him say it, having a take from him. I can't
Speaker 1: give you everything, but hearing that conversation from him was
Speaker 1: crazy because you you I heard him like this, R
Speaker 1: and B is my ship. Like I heard a different
Speaker 1: usher than I've ever heard in public or in an
Speaker 1: interview or anywhere. Like I saw I saw oh man,
Speaker 1: I saw knowledge. I believe for this ship. I saw
Speaker 1: that ussher and so that gave me more fuel. Like
Speaker 1: that's listen, listening, and we have to that those are
Speaker 1: the moments we need, like you know, yeah, it is
Speaker 1: U shirt, Um, it is Chris, it is Jasmine, it
Speaker 1: is her. You know, it's it's all of us trying
Speaker 1: to figure out together. I think R and B is
Speaker 1: always they always pick one person out of the choir.
Speaker 1: They always grab one person out of the group. Always
Speaker 1: grab and so that's how we kind of always live
Speaker 1: out our careers as that one person. You know, I
Speaker 1: want to I want to stay on it for a
Speaker 1: minute because so so back say nineties, right, let's take
Speaker 1: it back to our nineties time where there were so
Speaker 1: many girl groups. I mean they were like ten girls time.
Speaker 1: But we're not talking about just like s W v
Speaker 1: TLC the main we're talking about. You know, there's so
Speaker 1: many browns, so you keep going, there's so many girl groups.
Speaker 1: Do you feel that, Well, here's my theory, but here's
Speaker 1: the truth. And I'm just gonna say the truth. I
Speaker 1: feel like Beyonce made girl groups obsolete because once Destiny's Child,
Speaker 1: Beyonce went Beyonce and we said, wait a minute, what
Speaker 1: is that? And that's out of a group. It almost
Speaker 1: was like you didn't see girl groups to me in
Speaker 1: the same light anymore, because it was like, Beyonce, come
Speaker 1: from a group, you finish. But I'm gonna add to that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just saying, like, you know, we had
Speaker 1: Danity Kane, which I think was a really good I
Speaker 1: love it. I love Danity Kane. I think that they
Speaker 1: can all sing right, um. But I'm saying not to say,
Speaker 1: you know, male groups, girl groups groups who are a
Speaker 1: big part of our R and B heart and like
Speaker 1: the build up it as well, alongside with incredible solo
Speaker 1: acts as yourself in the future is does that even
Speaker 1: have a place that that? Did that play a role
Speaker 1: in where R and B kind of went as well? Well?
Speaker 1: To to jump into that. I think that it's all
Speaker 1: like we all like to speak about the bigger agenda
Speaker 1: and they and all these other things. Right, I won't
Speaker 1: get into that part of it. I'll speak from the
Speaker 1: business standpoint and from an economical standpoint. When you see
Speaker 1: when you see Beyonce have the success that she has
Speaker 1: on her own, I mind you, Uh, Destiny's Child is
Speaker 1: the highest selling times right, so there's they did great
Speaker 1: in economics. But you also a business person will say, well,
Speaker 1: look what we did with Beyonce, which is one person,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and that and and let's
Speaker 1: cut out. We didn't have to do two more first
Speaker 1: class tickets, we didn't have to do glam for two
Speaker 1: more people. We didn't have to do wow. Okay, so
Speaker 1: maybe we should just be looking for Beyonce's just economically,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, just based on the success
Speaker 1: of you know, you know, because everybody's chasing lightning in
Speaker 1: the bottom, which is right, and so the economics of
Speaker 1: a thing, even with solo artists, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: And so R and B of course back in those
Speaker 1: group days was more expensive and what we didn't figure
Speaker 1: out how to do is how to make it economical
Speaker 1: in two budgets aren't the same, and artist development department
Speaker 1: is no longer. Back in the day, the artist development
Speaker 1: started in church, you know what I'm saying, or on
Speaker 1: the street corner, you know what I'm saying, where you
Speaker 1: were saying and every day on the street corner with
Speaker 1: your guys, you know what I'm saying, Or you were
Speaker 1: singing in the bathroom and high school with your guys,
Speaker 1: or all of y'all went to the same church saying
Speaker 1: in the same choir, seemed the same group. So from
Speaker 1: a vocal standpoint, you know what I'm saying, in a
Speaker 1: unity standpoint that was built there. When you got to
Speaker 1: a label, then how to be an artist was developed, right.
Speaker 1: But everything now it's for for his damn self records.
Speaker 1: Everybody's solo minded. Everybody is about what makes me happy.
Speaker 1: Everybody's like what I'm on And if it doesn't satisfy
Speaker 1: or if it's it, if it if it isn't instantly
Speaker 1: gratifying to me, I'm out and I'm gonna go find
Speaker 1: the thing that is. So as we are in this
Speaker 1: instant world and we're talking about groups to take time,
Speaker 1: it takes even from even from being a dancer in
Speaker 1: the business. There were so many artists in groups that
Speaker 1: I got hired to be a part of for artist development.
Speaker 1: And you're in the studio. It's ship that's never seen
Speaker 1: any else. But you're in the studio working their ass
Speaker 1: up eight hours a day, sixty eight hours a day.
Speaker 1: I don't even hear anybody doing that anymore, like just
Speaker 1: working on it. Can we also give some real fingersnaps
Speaker 1: and handclaps to was to to to the dancer world
Speaker 1: of Waszina has also brought to the dancer world pioneer
Speaker 1: and really pioneered, because you know, it's easy for you
Speaker 1: to say, oh, you know what, also dancer, let's but
Speaker 1: let's actually let's place it where really is. We're not
Speaker 1: talking about and no disrespect any video girls or vixens
Speaker 1: or anything like that. I love the art in any form,
Speaker 1: so let's let's not take it out of context. That
Speaker 1: was both but no, yeah, but what I'm saying is,
Speaker 1: but it was your art. It was art that you
Speaker 1: were creating. And for say, like my first love was dance,
Speaker 1: which people wouldn't know, you know what I mean. When
Speaker 1: I was a little girl, always dance dancing. All my
Speaker 1: dance like partners are all big choreographers and everything. Now,
Speaker 1: So what you created and open doors for young girls
Speaker 1: to come in and dance and create and build a
Speaker 1: career from that, you know, And that had a lot
Speaker 1: to do with the success of artists like yourself. You
Speaker 1: had to book dancers you can't to see on that day,
Speaker 1: and yeah, that's how but that's but that's a big
Speaker 1: part of even like this conversation about artists development and
Speaker 1: what it takes to create something. Yeah, ten days. When
Speaker 1: I got hired to do his video, they were like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have ten days rehearsal, one day video shoot.
Speaker 1: I was like tenda's rehearsal. I was like, oh, he
Speaker 1: doesn't have a budget. But I wasn't ten days of rehearsal.
Speaker 1: It was like, how many dancers do we have? It's
Speaker 1: really it's like ten to twelve girls something like that.
Speaker 1: No way I was dancing, we was up at I
Speaker 1: I was trying to get my my usher brown on.
Speaker 1: That's what was going on. Chris Raymond. Even back then though,
Speaker 1: for an R and B artist to have tender dancers
Speaker 1: and be in there with the dancers like a lot
Speaker 1: of people weren't doing that then, and he was really
Speaker 1: giving his all doing what are you smiling? Because it's
Speaker 1: so cute to you. It does say he want to
Speaker 1: be a dancer, so Bader. You know what made me
Speaker 1: stop dancing when the song didn't work? Okay, and I
Speaker 1: felt like my dancing I had something almost going his career.
Speaker 1: I felt like I felt like I was dancing good.
Speaker 1: I was dancing great, I was doing somersaults. Everything was
Speaker 1: great into that, but but when it didn't work, that
Speaker 1: entire thing for me just felt like a bad place,
Speaker 1: and I just stopped dancing. Period. But now, when you're
Speaker 1: on stage, like you gotta groove front of them all
Speaker 1: the time, but I can say, like i'd be jamming
Speaker 1: with you when you're on say to make sure he
Speaker 1: got it, I gotta did, Bob, and you do jam
Speaker 1: with him because are you recording with no? He looks
Speaker 1: great on stage, Like he carries himself so good on stage,
Speaker 1: almost as if he's in the studio, likely in rehearsaling somebody,
Speaker 1: but he's not. He's by himself. Oh, he's beyond always
Speaker 1: rehearsing in my mind. Interesting, tell me about like I
Speaker 1: drive most of the times when I drive, especially when
Speaker 1: I'm by myself, I don't play the music. So when
Speaker 1: i'm driving or when I have those quiet times, when
Speaker 1: I'm able to have those quiet times, I'm visualizing. I'm
Speaker 1: visualizing everything, Like if if Javon sends me the setness,
Speaker 1: then I'm visualized interesting. I'm so I'm gonna say this
Speaker 1: and then and I'm gonna do that and then and then,
Speaker 1: and I go over to my head and I make
Speaker 1: sure I have it downpacked perfect, Like every time you
Speaker 1: see me on stage, I'm going to do pretty much
Speaker 1: the same thing every night, with slight variations based on
Speaker 1: the energy in the room. But I'm very methodical and
Speaker 1: very intentional with everything that I do on stage. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, So that I know where to
Speaker 1: be when the lights do this, and I know where
Speaker 1: to be when the band hits this. I know where
Speaker 1: to be, like I know where to be. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying from artists now, because it's like you
Speaker 1: go back to what rehearsals, Like I've rehearsed so much
Speaker 1: so we're now in my mind. Now, in my mind,
Speaker 1: I can I can build it. And once I build
Speaker 1: it in my mind, my my my, my body turns
Speaker 1: it out. I know what it is like what I
Speaker 1: whatever I was visualizing on Friday, when I get to
Speaker 1: the stage on Saturday, I'm going to do exactly that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But that's from first having
Speaker 1: all those years rehearsal and artists development and understanding UM
Speaker 1: and understanding show in placement, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and all of those things UM and being groomed right
Speaker 1: like so um. We can't have those groups. We would
Speaker 1: turn all the way back to that. We can't have groups.
Speaker 1: We just have to We just have to get people
Speaker 1: who who have been together. Yeah, I want to say,
Speaker 1: I feel like they have to be organic. They can't
Speaker 1: get together groups that are people that they have their
Speaker 1: own relationship that's not based on the business. It's not
Speaker 1: based on the money, that's not based on together. They
Speaker 1: have their own because because when you have that, you've
Speaker 1: argued before before, you've had your differences, but you're still
Speaker 1: together and that will carry over into you're doing record
Speaker 1: company business. The thing that you'll stick to is each
Speaker 1: other because well, you're gonna you're gonna talk about my
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, It's not a group member.
Speaker 1: You ain't gonna talk about my sister like that, Like
Speaker 1: like what you're saying, like what you own? You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like we're together. It's that bond that
Speaker 1: we gotta find. And so if there are groups out
Speaker 1: there that are groups already and not trying to be
Speaker 1: groups for the bag, those groups will work because then
Speaker 1: again they'll understand the economic of it. Listen, this isn't
Speaker 1: the days of being able to get everybody a hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollar advanced and then have a three or four
Speaker 1: thousand dollar budget to go along with it. No, we
Speaker 1: ma can only get each person a thirty thousand all
Speaker 1: advance ord all advanced, and then we may only be
Speaker 1: able to get to fifty to do the album and
Speaker 1: do album packaging, know what I'm saying, and then possibly
Speaker 1: get some sponsorship, you know, a liquor sponsor or some
Speaker 1: other sponsor to help get the visuals done and and
Speaker 1: and to and to run up for social media program
Speaker 1: like all those things. It has to be economical, right,
Speaker 1: because that's the business that we're in. Like, people don't
Speaker 1: even understand how much artists used to have to recoup
Speaker 1: back in the day. Oh my god, like, I don't
Speaker 1: think anybody understands we were spending a yeah, they got
Speaker 1: that advanceing. I got to recoup this first. Before I
Speaker 1: came out the gate, I was I was maybe one
Speaker 1: point five maybe one point five, maybe a little over
Speaker 1: in the whole before I came out the gate. M
Speaker 1: in the whole. That's a lot of money. And I
Speaker 1: know numbers are thrown around and people don't understand that's
Speaker 1: a lot of money I had to pay back. We
Speaker 1: need that back all people need to understand what regroup
Speaker 1: me against earth. Yeah, so you know we aren't living
Speaker 1: in those We aren't living in those times anymore. We
Speaker 1: aren't living in you know. But that's what you know.
Speaker 1: That's what my time away from the artist space is
Speaker 1: what I want to be able to develop and be
Speaker 1: able to teach the new artists coming into the game. Question, yes,
Speaker 1: Tanks number one album chart wise? Is what number one
Speaker 1: album chart wise? I think I had just stop selling album.
Speaker 1: I mean now I'm starting the album single chart wise.
Speaker 1: When we was Tanks number one song to himself, if
Speaker 1: you could have said that should have been my number
Speaker 1: one song, even though when we I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: a song that should have been my number one I'm
Speaker 1: trying to figure out the song should have been my
Speaker 1: number one song that I think would have. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've I've done well. Yes, I've done well. I'm still
Speaker 1: doing well. But I think would have. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but this might have done something crazy and I don't
Speaker 1: I might have. I might have went somewhere else. Um
Speaker 1: celebration featuring Dre, that's your song? Well, how did that
Speaker 1: song get Tickere? Let me tell you something. You said
Speaker 1: that's my song. I love that song. That's no your song.
Speaker 1: I'm saying. That's what she's saying, number one, number one
Speaker 1: song in terms of the song that I think could
Speaker 1: have outdone everything all of my songs. Right, Like, Drake
Speaker 1: is on fire. He's you know what's fair? He always
Speaker 1: but but he's on fire. Okay's fire And he and
Speaker 1: we get on the phone. He's like, bro, I'm a
Speaker 1: big fan man. That's sex love in pain. And I
Speaker 1: was like, because she actually introduced me to Drake, who
Speaker 1: got who got him? On Celebration? I okay, must have
Speaker 1: been you. You want to pa, go ahead, get your
Speaker 1: shoulder one time. We're here, Yeah, hit your should on
Speaker 1: one time? He did late for late. Hey, I don't
Speaker 1: even think I knew that. So yeah, it was the time.
Speaker 1: So you you introduced me to Drake because I didn't
Speaker 1: know who Drake was. No, I didn't know Drake. I
Speaker 1: induced to the music. So I go, clear up, we
Speaker 1: have a pass here. So so I go to her
Speaker 1: house and she's like, oh, this dude, this dude call
Speaker 1: me out on the song like it's it's crazy here
Speaker 1: and I'm like what song and say loving pain Baby.
Speaker 1: I was like he's like yeah right, I'm like he's
Speaker 1: doing and so like even from that song, that song
Speaker 1: coming out, my walkthroughs went out. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I was in the club, thank you wanna you're trying
Speaker 1: you want to host your my hosting club st That's
Speaker 1: like I'm bad, I'm back right, And so get in
Speaker 1: contact with your ache and he's like, I'm a man,
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan. Man. Me and my guys love
Speaker 1: the sex stuff and pain. If you ever need me
Speaker 1: on anything, just say the word see this. We get
Speaker 1: off this. I don't know him to do this, but
Speaker 1: and I didn't have a song. I said, I'll send
Speaker 1: you one. I'll send you one. And the first song
Speaker 1: I sent him with sex music, and I sent him
Speaker 1: sex music and he was like, he's like, he's like,
Speaker 1: I like it, but I don't think that's the one.
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, don't
Speaker 1: work because I don't go draw right. So so so
Speaker 1: I went back and the stereotypes had given me a track, right,
Speaker 1: and this track was so crazy that sometimes I get
Speaker 1: a track and it's so it's just it's so amazing
Speaker 1: to me that I I'm so into the music that
Speaker 1: I can't find the journey that that's supposed to lay
Speaker 1: on top of. I can't find it. And I literally
Speaker 1: listened to that track and I took that track with
Speaker 1: me to Miami. I remember this vividly, and I remember
Speaker 1: sitting on on the I'm sitting on the balcony at
Speaker 1: night and I'm looping this track. I'm looping it. I'm
Speaker 1: just with a beverage over and over. I'm so in
Speaker 1: love with the music. I can't find the journey. So
Speaker 1: I finally get back to l A. I think it
Speaker 1: was on like A just maybe A doing a couple
Speaker 1: of dates or something. I finally get back to l A.
Speaker 1: And this is when we're working in an Underdogs building
Speaker 1: on on violence and m So I go up to
Speaker 1: our room and uh and Jay is sitting there and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, Jay, this track has just been
Speaker 1: can't it's been killing me. I was like, I just
Speaker 1: can't find I can't find it. And so he's like,
Speaker 1: you said play it, play it. So I play it
Speaker 1: and JB was listening to he said it just it
Speaker 1: feels like a celebration, like it just. I said, that's it.
Speaker 1: Turned it, my go turn it on and said, that's it.
Speaker 1: That's it. At the bottom of that phones any baby,
Speaker 1: egn sell to think it's your birthday baby. He'll sell
Speaker 1: him probably after party. I can't wait to sell him
Speaker 1: all the party. And then I said, oh, he's gonna
Speaker 1: love this one because this is it. I can't wait
Speaker 1: to send this one to the boy. Yes to the boys.
Speaker 1: And I sent that with to Drake and he said, yes, sir, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is it. He said, I got you on it. Now.
Speaker 1: You gotta be patient when you get these Drake versions. Okay,
Speaker 1: you gotta be patient. You know, chick, I see you
Speaker 1: moving away right, you know what I got see you
Speaker 1: Christ and I let you. I let your boy when
Speaker 1: if you get a minute. You don't want to press,
Speaker 1: you don't want to stress. You want to gotta be
Speaker 1: nice about you, gotta be patient when you trying to
Speaker 1: get the Drake burst now and uh and sent his
Speaker 1: verse back. When he sent his verse back, the thing
Speaker 1: that was most impressive about his verse was him asking me, hey, man, like,
Speaker 1: do you like it? And if you if you don't
Speaker 1: like it, man, just let me know. I can redo
Speaker 1: any of it. And I was like, what what? No? What? Right? Like,
Speaker 1: he's Drake. You can drop a verse off and not
Speaker 1: say nothing. He can, he can do that, but the
Speaker 1: verse is so crazy. I was like, you are out
Speaker 1: of control. You're out of control, right, take this to
Speaker 1: the label. We have not only at Drake, not only
Speaker 1: a Drake feature. We have a Drake feature for the
Speaker 1: love and now. Yeah, it was I couldn't afford a
Speaker 1: Drake feature. No, I couldn't afford it. I had a
Speaker 1: Drake feature for the love. He respected you in your music,
Speaker 1: so I'll go to But I said, listen, this is
Speaker 1: I don't have to and unfortunately berg Man wouldn't clear
Speaker 1: him at the time. Is that what happened? And I
Speaker 1: think I think for a while he thought I just
Speaker 1: got a verse from him and didn't put it out.
Speaker 1: I think that he thought that, yeah, And I remember
Speaker 1: having a conversation, I said, I said, he said, man,
Speaker 1: you got the whole thing. And you know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying that you just kind of settled, I said. I said,
Speaker 1: I did not. I argued in my record company, like
Speaker 1: I said, with shout out to Junic Ringwall, shoutut um.
Speaker 1: And they were like, what do you want to go
Speaker 1: with next? And I said celebration? Yeah, this this is
Speaker 1: the next celebration, is it? And they were like, we
Speaker 1: don't have the clearance. Think. I was like, I don't care,
Speaker 1: don't they were and they were like that's not how
Speaker 1: are legal works? And they were like they were like
Speaker 1: I was like, they were like we we have tried
Speaker 1: to get the clearance. We cannot get the clearance. So
Speaker 1: he said no, or he just wouldn't get back to
Speaker 1: the burn Man, wouldn't you know, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He said no, or he just did not know this.
Speaker 1: Can we go back? And I've I've never gotten around
Speaker 1: to asking Burdman. You know, you gotta ask Bergman nicely.
Speaker 1: You can't respect you gotta you gotta put respect on it.
Speaker 1: He was calling you man and um, but we couldn't
Speaker 1: get that clearance and what ended up heavy time though.
Speaker 1: I'm just now thinking about the time that emergency and
Speaker 1: I can't make you love me. I mean, yeah, I
Speaker 1: can't make you let me. Those songs dropped, but I
Speaker 1: feel like after celebration, those songs would have hit way interested.
Speaker 1: Those songs would have hit way different. And and that's that.
Speaker 1: That to me, that's my number one song that never
Speaker 1: went number one. And they're like and they're like, I'll
Speaker 1: see Drake right and here'll be like this. We gotta
Speaker 1: get one. It's like, when stop saying this to me
Speaker 1: because I get together together down Let's just leave the party.
Speaker 1: Let's just leave the party right down the studio to you.
Speaker 1: What do you mean? Oh my god? He said it
Speaker 1: like three times, so we have to do that every
Speaker 1: time he says it. And every time he says that,
Speaker 1: I get excited. That's baby said, we're gonna get one.
Speaker 1: Light up, come on, man. Like a couple of calls,
Speaker 1: what is your most meaningful album? Great most meaningful album? Wow,
Speaker 1: they're all my babies, They're all my babies. Sex c
Speaker 1: louth In Pain Sex Love in Pain is probably my
Speaker 1: most meaningful album because, um, first I have been on
Speaker 1: the bench, and then due to how much time had elapsed,
Speaker 1: I've been written off m hm. So you know, I
Speaker 1: kind of got forced into writing and producing for so
Speaker 1: many people because I died off as an artist and
Speaker 1: I needed to feed my kids. I'm saying I didn't
Speaker 1: have any other choice. That wasn't the space I wanted
Speaker 1: to be in, but the space I had to be in,
Speaker 1: which ended up being a major blessing in disguise, right
Speaker 1: m hmm. And when when we were getting ready to
Speaker 1: put this album out a few things happened. You were
Speaker 1: there for everything m hm. Shout out to my O
Speaker 1: G Fats, who says, man, I got some guys. If
Speaker 1: they're not gonna play us, I got some guys that
Speaker 1: will get us in the game and put the money
Speaker 1: behind us. It comes BMF. So Z, Me and Z
Speaker 1: actually fly down to Miami with Fats to go to
Speaker 1: one of the guy's birthday party and being Meth to
Speaker 1: be introduced to be Math and so can you give
Speaker 1: a year on this two thousand and five or yeah,
Speaker 1: So we go down there and meet the guys and
Speaker 1: they're like, here you with us. But even before that,
Speaker 1: Harvey walks up to me and says, we should make
Speaker 1: a Tank album, Like why would we do that? So
Speaker 1: we just should, like what do we have to lose?
Speaker 1: It was like remember I was like, man, they're not
Speaker 1: really working with me right now, like you said, so what,
Speaker 1: Let's just make some music. Like Hardy was just like that,
Speaker 1: Let's just make music, man, just make music. Let's just
Speaker 1: make music. Man so much, right, And so we just
Speaker 1: started working on bits and pieces, you know, of an album.
Speaker 1: And then incomes BMF and incomes BMF's money to fund
Speaker 1: the whole thing, and and you know, and then comes
Speaker 1: Barry Hankerson doubling back or around, like, hey, what's going
Speaker 1: on over there with my artists? That's what's going on.
Speaker 1: We have this uh, you know, record to present. At
Speaker 1: the time, we were being distributed by Motown. And when
Speaker 1: we turned when when Barry goes to play the Tank album,
Speaker 1: were we got Tank ready? Coming up? Blind up to drop?
Speaker 1: Someone says, why are we why are you? Why are
Speaker 1: we working on another Tank album? And I had been
Speaker 1: written off last album two thousand two, it's two thousand six.
Speaker 1: You didn't get that kind of time back then, unless
Speaker 1: you Janet Jackson. I wasn't Janet Jackson. Just be honest.
Speaker 1: I was, UM, so this album with my heart and
Speaker 1: soul like my real life, literally my real life. Like
Speaker 1: I went to the studio one of the songs when
Speaker 1: I first started working with the Underdogs, I went in
Speaker 1: as an artist to just get songs, and they wrote
Speaker 1: a song called the Wedding Song. And they didn't know me.
Speaker 1: They didn't really know me at all. They didn't know
Speaker 1: that they had just written a song about everything that
Speaker 1: I had just left behind at my house. They had
Speaker 1: written it and put it in a song. And I
Speaker 1: sat there and I had to stop myself from breaking
Speaker 1: down crying in front of these strangers, and I was like,
Speaker 1: what made you all write that? They were like, we
Speaker 1: were just feeling the vibe, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like I was like, this you were you don't even
Speaker 1: understand what you just said and what you just did,
Speaker 1: right and so, and then other pieces of the album.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You know, we're about me,
Speaker 1: and this one right here, Heartbreaker was not about me.
Speaker 1: Z has made it clear Heartbreakers because everyone asked me
Speaker 1: that all the time. Heartbreaker kind of because I was
Speaker 1: there when you record me finished, because I didn't write
Speaker 1: the whole song by myself, so the pieces that I
Speaker 1: interject had a little bit to do with us, but
Speaker 1: it was me, Eric and Tony that wrote all of
Speaker 1: it together. So it was pieces of everybody's you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, but I hate you yeah yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you wrote our wedding song. So it's so
Speaker 1: crazy because when the album came out, she called me.
Speaker 1: She said, she said, well, Ship, I might as well
Speaker 1: be in the video off the time, no, no, nothing,
Speaker 1: I got your sucking out. I might as well be
Speaker 1: in all the videos you always point records, um, so
Speaker 1: I think sex off in Pain, and then just the
Speaker 1: the influence of that album, like that album has spawned
Speaker 1: so many other R and B singers, songwriters and producers
Speaker 1: that I had no idea was listening. That's so many
Speaker 1: people's favorite album. I had no idea that that many people,
Speaker 1: you know, we're listening. I think the biggest one for
Speaker 1: me was when when Chris Brown was like, bro be
Speaker 1: my favorite, Like your vocals and all the si Cleving paint,
Speaker 1: its like that's it, that's the Bible, Like that's what
Speaker 1: I'm playing it right now. I go see Chris Brown
Speaker 1: of the sold out tour, the arena sold out, and
Speaker 1: I get on the bus and Secleving Paint is playing Yah,
Speaker 1: We've been playing this all day. This is what I play.
Speaker 1: I gotta get my get my focus right and get
Speaker 1: and then I'm like yeah, and I'm looking at and
Speaker 1: you know, a trade trade songs is like listen to that,
Speaker 1: to listen to that out for a whole summer, who
Speaker 1: summer and after that summer he comes with invented Sex
Speaker 1: and then say ah and goes to the stratosphere. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's those moments for me, Like
Speaker 1: that album, Um, that album validated me in the musical
Speaker 1: universe in a in a way that I never imagined.
Speaker 1: It validated me in a way that I've only looked
Speaker 1: at people that I have. The way that I looked
Speaker 1: at baby Face, you know what I'm saying, The way
Speaker 1: that I looked at Keil's, the way that I looked
Speaker 1: at the Reverend John PIKEI the way that I looked
Speaker 1: at Kimberly, Like I only saw people that way. I
Speaker 1: never thought that people would see me that way, you know,
Speaker 1: And so save pain did that? I mean other great
Speaker 1: albums and moments after that, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: especially from White writing our wedding song together and um,
Speaker 1: you know even like my stronger album, Stronger albums, the
Speaker 1: stronger album. Would you talk about how my kids can
Speaker 1: listen to that? Feting to end the only album with
Speaker 1: the stronger album, I'm gonna make just hold some R
Speaker 1: and B music listen, not take his sugar off for
Speaker 1: the whole album he did. I'm gonna go back to
Speaker 1: the basics. I'm gonna go get a lot strings, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna button it up, suiting all. I'm gonna be tasteful Tank,
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be tasteful Tank. And it was everybody
Speaker 1: was like, They're like, what is all the way to cud?
Speaker 1: You really listen to the songs on that album? Well,
Speaker 1: guess what I did in that that You're my star
Speaker 1: song in the year my star video I danced, m
Speaker 1: oh I never paid attention to that correlation. Don't dance, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll do, I'll do. I'll do is my gift. And
Speaker 1: they said no, no, no, But that one wasn't bad.
Speaker 1: It doesn't, it doesn't. It's not saying it was bad.
Speaker 1: It just doesn't work. And so, but what I was
Speaker 1: saying about that album was that album was a combination
Speaker 1: of a breakup and being broken down and rekindling and
Speaker 1: being built back up. You see what I'm saying. Like
Speaker 1: that album was a crazy transition for me, going from
Speaker 1: out of that into this, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So Like the album had such sentimental value to me.
Speaker 1: I wanted it to work so bad for that reason. Um,
Speaker 1: but you know they you know, they wanted me to
Speaker 1: get back to the titties. You know what, whatever, we
Speaker 1: don't want to I'm happy right now. Guys. Okay, this
Speaker 1: guy is singing, show, this guy is singing. I don't
Speaker 1: get it. Show you can we talk about how I
Speaker 1: always tell you that. I always told him because he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I need dancers, I need singers, I need the lights,
Speaker 1: I need this. I'm like, you don't need anything. And
Speaker 1: I know he thinks I'm hating because I don't want
Speaker 1: to neverside me. But I'm always saying, I said, it's
Speaker 1: really rare that you see an R and B artist
Speaker 1: this day and age that can carry an entire show,
Speaker 1: carry an entire theater arena with him a piano, a mic,
Speaker 1: and a light and he doesn't need ship. And I
Speaker 1: say that to him all the time, like, I guess
Speaker 1: it makes sense even when you say it, like when
Speaker 1: you do you're dancing and it just doesn't work. Just
Speaker 1: say it's terrible. No, I'm not even like. The way
Speaker 1: that he carries an audience on stage is ridiculous. It's
Speaker 1: I I love it. I'm so amazed by it. I
Speaker 1: do appreciate it. And it's like I see that, right,
Speaker 1: I get it. But but when I go to like
Speaker 1: a Justin timber Lake shows, give it a little show.
Speaker 1: I mean, when I go to Chris Brown show, I
Speaker 1: know I can't do that's but some of the polished
Speaker 1: things that I see, you know, Russia and j T do,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I could do something like that. I could
Speaker 1: do some of that hand I could say my little
Speaker 1: four square feel like And so I get I get
Speaker 1: so enamorous, and I'm such a fan of artists that
Speaker 1: do it that I'll just be wanting the piece of it,
Speaker 1: not a whole. You know, I should be wanting a
Speaker 1: piece of it. But you on stage is so amazing.
Speaker 1: You at the piano, you in your personality, you in
Speaker 1: your comedy because he has a comedy section into his
Speaker 1: show as well, and it's like people are like, Damn,
Speaker 1: I didn't know Tanke was funny like that, Like a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't realize how funny he really is.
Speaker 1: In my conversations with people, because I happen to know
Speaker 1: a lot of people always say I bring I probably
Speaker 1: bring your name up so many times your ears have
Speaker 1: to ring because I always tell people one of them
Speaker 1: that's not fun one of the funniest people I know,
Speaker 1: because she said, that's why I love you, baby say,
Speaker 1: but I always say, take is literally one of the
Speaker 1: funniest people I know in the world. Like if we're
Speaker 1: hitting top, like, he's so funny. And that's something I
Speaker 1: always try to say in conversations when anything comes up,
Speaker 1: artist wise, music wise, if you come up, because I
Speaker 1: feel like it's something that people really should know about him.
Speaker 1: It's not like it's just like that's your person, now,
Speaker 1: really who you are. It took a minute. It took
Speaker 1: a minute for me to be comfortable you know with
Speaker 1: the goofball is your friends and family now, yeah, my
Speaker 1: friends and family know, but it took a minute for
Speaker 1: me to be comfortable with just being that, you know,
Speaker 1: just on stage what I'm saying, and it took from
Speaker 1: it took being around Jamie Fox and learning how to
Speaker 1: how to deliver it, you know what I'm saying, Understanding
Speaker 1: the timing of it, you know what I'm saying, to
Speaker 1: really be able to put it together, like being that
Speaker 1: time with him, you know, being his understudy and just
Speaker 1: watching like, oh that's how you Okay, Okay, okay. I
Speaker 1: mean he's a master at it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But I was able to just grab pieces from him
Speaker 1: that I knew I could take and incorporate into my space.
Speaker 1: Would you we've seen you act well, of course, I've
Speaker 1: seen you sing, We've seen you dance even against We've
Speaker 1: seen you have really great comedy show moments in your show.
Speaker 1: What do you say to Peep that act as if
Speaker 1: you can only have one talent as a person, Like
Speaker 1: you're really a quadruple threat person organically and those are
Speaker 1: your real talents. It's we're in a day in the
Speaker 1: age where you better have more than one talent. You
Speaker 1: better like you better be able to diversify that portfolio.
Speaker 1: Because my saving grace quietly instagram mm hmmm. Because outside
Speaker 1: of my music, nobody knew me. Sure, so me being
Speaker 1: able to like show my many talents, display my personality,
Speaker 1: show my drip. That's a skill. Oh my god, it's again.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's expensive too. That it is okay, SIPs, it
Speaker 1: is um. But being able to put all of these
Speaker 1: gifts on display is I think the thing that change.
Speaker 1: Of course people's perception about me, but more so their
Speaker 1: understanding and and they could figure out what part of
Speaker 1: me they wanted to buy into right now. You you
Speaker 1: give people options in terms of how they want to celebrate.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, his music is cool,
Speaker 1: but his jokes he's hysterical. You know what I'm saying. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's not really that funny. I don't really like his music,
Speaker 1: but man, he'd be ragging when he put that ship on.
Speaker 1: He put that ship on, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Or you know, I don't really like what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But when he was Gerald bust me in the new edition,
Speaker 1: he was killing that. Like and so the more you have,
Speaker 1: I think, the less people you lose. You're got I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get you with something. I'm gonna something. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get you with something, You're gonna like me for something,
Speaker 1: And so I think that, you know, people should not
Speaker 1: be afraid two to venture out and and grow and
Speaker 1: develop all of your talents, all of your gifts. Like
Speaker 1: there's no one way anymore, there are no rules. We
Speaker 1: are in the We are in the wild wild West.
Speaker 1: In terms of being able to monetize anything. People are
Speaker 1: monetizing everything. Yeah, selling everything. There are an exhausted on
Speaker 1: Oh my god. No, seriously, there are at least a
Speaker 1: hundred thousand people that will buy anything, the billions of
Speaker 1: people in the world. Some things you shouldn't sail because
Speaker 1: some things are hey, hey, guess what, there's there's a
Speaker 1: people want to buy that. There's a black market for everything.
Speaker 1: Which one do you actually want to pursue more invest
Speaker 1: than most of your time into is it? Would it
Speaker 1: be comedy or would it be acting? Acting? For sure,
Speaker 1: comedy stand up helps me, helps me up, stand up
Speaker 1: me perfect my time when I'm in front of the
Speaker 1: camera acting interesting because as much as I want to,
Speaker 1: I want to save the world and shoot him up
Speaker 1: and be like not the rock, but like maybe the pebble.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. No, No, um, I know
Speaker 1: I'm in the audience. Horrible game? Did he laughs? She
Speaker 1: laughs at everything everything. She's your friend. She believes in
Speaker 1: you acting for sure, because I feel like at some
Speaker 1: point I'm gonna end up like in the romantic comedy space,
Speaker 1: you know, That's that's where I want to. I do
Speaker 1: want to be a superhero, but I think he could be.
Speaker 1: I think even within me being a superhero, I still
Speaker 1: be fun and funny. Yeah, ship the superheroes nowadays they're
Speaker 1: hysterical ones. They are funny. Now. I love Ryan Reynolds,
Speaker 1: I love armand so I'm a rom com fanatic like that.
Speaker 1: I'm choosing that over everything. Kano. I want to ask
Speaker 1: about Okay, most artists, thank you, tz that can actually
Speaker 1: really sing. I won't say most, but a lot of them.
Speaker 1: A large number of them came from church. You as well, Yes,
Speaker 1: what do you think it is about that? Almost training? Really?
Speaker 1: You know, like even musicians right certain way, your greatest
Speaker 1: keys player or drummer, bass player, now as that aston
Speaker 1: they came from the church. What what is it about that?
Speaker 1: I mean, I love the Lord, so I know, but
Speaker 1: what is it about that that I think makes some
Speaker 1: of the greatest vocalists and musicians. I think I think
Speaker 1: in I want to go too deep, but I think
Speaker 1: in God's presence is the ultimate place to train. Catching
Speaker 1: her that's Champagne, that Baptist came with your first I
Speaker 1: was catching it right. I think that's actually would uh
Speaker 1: that that is that is the ultimate training grounds, in
Speaker 1: the presence of God and and having UM having the
Speaker 1: Spirit guide you, UM, having the Spirit help teach you,
Speaker 1: and and and groom you. And you know that that
Speaker 1: is the connection of the church, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like those critiques in the church are different UM and
Speaker 1: and and I think ultimately in the church, what they
Speaker 1: want you to have is a connection to what you're doing,
Speaker 1: to not just be doing it, but to actually have
Speaker 1: a reason, you know what I mean, to actually have
Speaker 1: UM have conviction for too for to live in you
Speaker 1: before it comes out of you. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And there's no other place to get that except in
Speaker 1: the presence. What do you feel like this new generation
Speaker 1: is going to do? Because I feel like they're not
Speaker 1: in the church. Well, there are some, but nowhere near
Speaker 1: like ours back and nowhere we're not. We're not. I
Speaker 1: won't say we, but I would say there used to
Speaker 1: be approaching m You know what I'm saying in terms
Speaker 1: of the church, like and ours will go to church,
Speaker 1: Like my guys found me in church. Really yeah, I
Speaker 1: was at church when the guys came and got me. Hey,
Speaker 1: you got it? What's happening? You want to sing? I
Speaker 1: said no. For the longest, I only sing. I can't
Speaker 1: do second. I only sing. Look at you now whatever?
Speaker 1: Um Like back in back in like tenth grade, Virgin
Speaker 1: of Records came came to get our group. It was like, listen,
Speaker 1: you guys would be amazing. Um, you guys can sing.
Speaker 1: You know, you guys can sing good music. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And if you wanted to sing about Jesus,
Speaker 1: it could be like pronoun gospel like you know, you
Speaker 1: could sing and have to have the message. But you know,
Speaker 1: and and you know, we have tours lined up with
Speaker 1: Janet Jackson and all of them. They were just like
Speaker 1: they were laying on like we we want you guys,
Speaker 1: and we were like if we can't say the name
Speaker 1: of Jesus, yes, there is no place for us. And
Speaker 1: I was like when I look back on that time,
Speaker 1: but I look back, um, roller you know was what
Speaker 1: it was? You know, what I'm saying, like that wonderful name. Um.
Speaker 1: And so you know, I think that I think that
Speaker 1: a lot of people have just stopped looking in that
Speaker 1: place for for this thing, because this thing isn't mainstream,
Speaker 1: isn't anymore, It isn't pop culture, So they're not looking
Speaker 1: for that. What's pop culture now is the streets. What's
Speaker 1: coming off the streets on that conveyor belt. That's where
Speaker 1: we go look for our next whatever. We go looking
Speaker 1: in the streets. But they used to go looking in
Speaker 1: the church. How else do you get to read the Franklin?
Speaker 1: How else do you get to read the Franklin? Got
Speaker 1: to go to the church to get a Ready she's
Speaker 1: not reading. Don't you gotta go? You gotta go down
Speaker 1: down by Read's house. Yeah, you do, on that corner,
Speaker 1: that's right. And so I think can talk to her parents.
Speaker 1: I think they're there. I think they are there. Um.
Speaker 1: Um two Sean who produces father, it's a church kid.
Speaker 1: You can hear it when he produces, you can hear
Speaker 1: it when he sings. It's a church kid. What I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: without a doubt, So they're there. Um, it's just gonna
Speaker 1: take the people who know where it is and know
Speaker 1: what to do with it to go get it like
Speaker 1: you there it is acting? What is the difference on
Speaker 1: stage right saying and then on set portraying whatever this role?
Speaker 1: Maybe the difference is like on stage, I'm I'm Tank,
Speaker 1: like that nuances completely developed already. A song may be new,
Speaker 1: but it's still a Tank song, right, um. Or when
Speaker 1: they come to see me perform, they come to see
Speaker 1: Tank perform. Um. When people come to see me act
Speaker 1: or turn onto television, they expect to see Tank, but
Speaker 1: they don't HM, and I have to be able to
Speaker 1: give them the character that they came to see. Right,
Speaker 1: Let's say the title is I don't know, uh, save
Speaker 1: in the Hood. Say let's save the Hood, right the
Speaker 1: pebble featuring the pebble, all right, whatever? And I, um,
Speaker 1: they don't want to see They don't want to see
Speaker 1: Tank the singer save the Hood. They want to see
Speaker 1: this character, for lack of a better title, action Jackson
Speaker 1: save the Hood. And so I didn't have to find
Speaker 1: the natural spaces within me that I can dedicate completely
Speaker 1: to that character and not go off into these other
Speaker 1: spaces like I can't save the Hood and be yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, like, right, that's Tank. I
Speaker 1: can't do that, right, you know what I'm saying. I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't, Like there's certain things that I can do
Speaker 1: is Tank, that don't work for the action Jackson character.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying when I'm doing the interview.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, when I'm doing my interviews,
Speaker 1: it's Tank. I have to be personal, gotta be fun,
Speaker 1: it's gotta be like, yeah, it take this cracking the
Speaker 1: jokes when I'm actually Jackson. I'm saving the hood. I
Speaker 1: have a real concern for the people on my street.
Speaker 1: How are you going to help us? Or do we
Speaker 1: need to help ourselves? Look at you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Three So it's like it's still me, but it's dedicated
Speaker 1: nuances to that character. It's not everything that you've seen
Speaker 1: me do it before. It's not all of time. It's
Speaker 1: just it's linear. It's one piece right here. This These
Speaker 1: are the pieces from me that create that character, that
Speaker 1: connect with that character. We're only using these pieces right here.
Speaker 1: That's why I can't do it. You can do it.
Speaker 1: So he wants to do it, she should come out.
Speaker 1: She's too damn funny. Did you hear you're funny? You
Speaker 1: are funny. I laughed at you all the time. She
Speaker 1: has she's ridiculous. I have great comedic timing. You do,
Speaker 1: but you do have to do it in front of
Speaker 1: the camera. I have a camera right here. I'm good.
Speaker 1: It's not the same. Okays, no action on it. Last looks,
Speaker 1: the last looks, make it last look all times. I
Speaker 1: can't remember ship. I need giant side side giants and
Speaker 1: let see what this? Okay, I got it? Okay, like
Speaker 1: just cut? What do you want people to know about
Speaker 1: you that you don't think they know? But I don't
Speaker 1: think they know? What are you wantesome? People don't know
Speaker 1: about you? I don't think that you think you lay
Speaker 1: it all out there, and I don't want to. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't want this to sound, you know, come off,
Speaker 1: come off weird, but I don't. I don't necessarily care
Speaker 1: what they do or don't know about me, do know
Speaker 1: or don't know about me. What I would like to
Speaker 1: feel like is or what I would like to know
Speaker 1: about myself is that I've done my best, and to
Speaker 1: some people that's going to be amazing. To some people
Speaker 1: that's not going to be enough. If I get caught
Speaker 1: up in either, I'll lose. Wow. So I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't have an expectation of what I want people to
Speaker 1: expect or to understand or to even believe it. I
Speaker 1: just I just want to do my best and and
Speaker 1: live with whatever the results are. Like that's that's true
Speaker 1: happiness for me. Like I laid it all out there,
Speaker 1: I went crazy, you know what I'm saying. Like I said,
Speaker 1: it's always gonna be somebody in the comments, like somebody was,
Speaker 1: somebody said, somebody says something about you're a true king
Speaker 1: or something like that, and then somebody win the comments
Speaker 1: that you ain't no king, you ain't never been no kings.
Speaker 1: But you know what, though we could say hayting, but
Speaker 1: to that person, I'm not their king to that person,
Speaker 1: I'm not that sexy to them. I'm not handsome to them.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. My body all built up
Speaker 1: with all of these muscles. They don't like that I
Speaker 1: do so for you, it's really all for you. So
Speaker 1: so so I don't you know, I'm staying. But you
Speaker 1: can't get caught up. You can't get caught up into that,
Speaker 1: you know. I give, I give very eloquent answers in interviews.
Speaker 1: I want to be known as the hardest working man
Speaker 1: in R and B music. Um, but most people aren't
Speaker 1: even going to see that. It's like he worked how
Speaker 1: he worked cool, He ain't worked hard. I have no idea,
Speaker 1: And so you you can't expect them to know, you
Speaker 1: can't expect them to really really following your journey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and are close up. They still don't even know,
Speaker 1: like still don't even see you know. But for me,
Speaker 1: it's this close, like because because the honesty that I
Speaker 1: have in this room governs everything. So if anybody in
Speaker 1: this room comes to me and says, hey, that ain't it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not okay, you know what what I'm saying, Or somebody
Speaker 1: in this room comes to me and says more of that, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: this is the bar for me, you know what I'm saying. Like,
Speaker 1: my my circle is our circle is of the people
Speaker 1: that really care about us. And really it's small, it's trusted,
Speaker 1: it's trusted, and that's where I live. That's where I
Speaker 1: get my love. Like if my party, if my party
Speaker 1: got it's just really it's what I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: if if if I'm your king cool. If I'm not cool,
Speaker 1: I'm a king somewhere right right here. So if you
Speaker 1: didn't actually leave the church to go to the R
Speaker 1: and B world, she left, did I believe trying to
Speaker 1: say put a backpack home? He left. He left for
Speaker 1: the bag so he could send it back home. Where
Speaker 1: do you think that you would see yourself? Like? What
Speaker 1: what were you into doing? What was your hobbies? What
Speaker 1: did you ever see yourself doing besides me fota player? Wow? Sure?
Speaker 1: So you be an athlete? Athlete? I mean, did you
Speaker 1: ever get paid doing anything athletic? You've got the church.
Speaker 1: I'm just asking. I was a teenager when when this
Speaker 1: all happened a profession? Did you get a check? You
Speaker 1: get a check? No? I never got to that point. Um.
Speaker 1: But you know when I when I my first time
Speaker 1: duncan in eighth grade, you couldn't tell me nothing. I
Speaker 1: was gonna be a star. I could bounce like a run, fast,
Speaker 1: touchdowns all that. Um, So I thought that that was
Speaker 1: my path and church kind of got in the way
Speaker 1: of that, you know, got in the way of me
Speaker 1: pursuing a lot of that because it was always acquired
Speaker 1: with her. So it's always grew up with her. So
Speaker 1: it was always a church, got something to do on Saturday.
Speaker 1: So I couldn't really dedicate myself to sports like I
Speaker 1: wanted to, but I was. I was still really good. Um,
Speaker 1: but I you know, music has always had a way
Speaker 1: of just kind of like tapping me on the shoulder
Speaker 1: every now and then, like I don't know, why are
Speaker 1: you trying to do all that? You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like this is that right here, you're gonna be with me.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to you know, like a ninth grade
Speaker 1: when the girls started screaming at that assembly, when I
Speaker 1: started singing, It's always been simply come on in a
Speaker 1: multi purpose room. So you know that's sent that center
Speaker 1: rushed through my body that I've never had before in
Speaker 1: my life. And so there were always moments even in
Speaker 1: the football field on the huddle, I'm singing in the
Speaker 1: huddle like Babs, come on, man, be serious. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I can be serious if you give me the ball.
Speaker 1: Touch y'all. Like I was that guy. So you know,
Speaker 1: it just always had a way and let me know.
Speaker 1: And then when I went to when I was going
Speaker 1: to college, offers the Scholarship School of Schools I didn't
Speaker 1: want to go to partial scholarships to the schools. I
Speaker 1: did want to go to UM and ended up getting
Speaker 1: a full scholarship to Morgan State from music. All right,
Speaker 1: maybe I'll take my full scholarship and then play football
Speaker 1: on my music scholarship. And they were like, exactly, we
Speaker 1: need you. We're gonna need your main do these you know,
Speaker 1: do these class um. And so music has always had
Speaker 1: a way of reminding me like, I hear you, but
Speaker 1: this is where you're supposed to be. And so it
Speaker 1: was always meant to be. It's always meant to be.
Speaker 1: That's I'm athlete to this day. You know that I
Speaker 1: worked out twice a day. Um. But that's just you know,
Speaker 1: that's my nature. That's the competitive nature of me. That's
Speaker 1: just always going to be there. But music is Music
Speaker 1: has always given me no choice. Wow, instruments, I think
Speaker 1: that what has to be really celebrated are musicians. He's
Speaker 1: a true musician, that's my point. But you don't even
Speaker 1: know he really plays drums here go here in live
Speaker 1: My whole point because again, my conversations outside you know,
Speaker 1: with so many people, and no, he's not it's an artist.
Speaker 1: There's artists shout out to the artists, and then there's
Speaker 1: true musicians, you know, and that's what you are. And
Speaker 1: I think your your humility and it kind of probably
Speaker 1: speaks to your true passionate love for it because you
Speaker 1: don't say like even people telling me, oh, we didn't
Speaker 1: know that take play the piano, you know when you
Speaker 1: started going live and doing the piano on Instagram a
Speaker 1: lot more during COVID and stuff like that. Just people
Speaker 1: that are like fans and stuff like that. I'm like,
Speaker 1: of course he plays producers. He let me give you
Speaker 1: a bar, give you a bar. Wait on that. I'm
Speaker 1: shout out to puff brother loves as I like to
Speaker 1: call them. Um. I went to his house other day.
Speaker 1: He said, he said, we're going to Jim Bean's house
Speaker 1: and said, what okay, okay, roll with me, roll roll
Speaker 1: with me. Playboy and heavy room h um. Just you
Speaker 1: like you walk in this room and you're like, what
Speaker 1: is this? What is in there? Playing vinyl? I think
Speaker 1: vinyl um? Heaveryone. Shout out to my brother Larry Jackson,
Speaker 1: m amazing brother and sitting there man by the name
Speaker 1: Dr dre mm hmm, my goodness, my goodness. And I've
Speaker 1: I've met Dre a couple of times, but we've never
Speaker 1: actually really been able to have an exchange. And so
Speaker 1: you know, at some point, you know, during this whole
Speaker 1: room thing that's happening, he's like he's like, he's like, man,
Speaker 1: you know, we just you know, we always meet and passing, man,
Speaker 1: but we've never ever forgotten a chance to you know,
Speaker 1: really like tap in. And like he says, I was like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I loved him and so
Speaker 1: and so I'm just sitting next to them. We're just
Speaker 1: talking about the records that are playing and talking about
Speaker 1: the instrumentation, and I'm watching, like I'm watching Dre as
Speaker 1: he's listening because Dre hears everything like and so I
Speaker 1: just when I'm watching him while he listens and like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: just his energy right, and he's like, uh, he's like
Speaker 1: so thank you know, like like he's like, do you right,
Speaker 1: I said? I said? I said? I said. I said everything, sir,
Speaker 1: I do. I said, I do everything. He said, he's okay,
Speaker 1: you play any instruments, I said, Dre, I do everything.
Speaker 1: He said, Come here. We get up that. We walked
Speaker 1: out the room and we go to a piano and
Speaker 1: he starts playing. You know what I'm saying. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: he said, let me see something like well, he like,
Speaker 1: oh you, so he started playing something else. He started
Speaker 1: playing something else, he said, he said. I said, oh
Speaker 1: I see what you're going with that. You're gonna here
Speaker 1: my phone listen. She said, oh you that? Oh you
Speaker 1: like that? Okay? Yeah, yeah, we need to get out.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. He's like, and you probably you you you
Speaker 1: you need to see my you need to see my musician.
Speaker 1: I said, I promise you that your musicians are probably
Speaker 1: might right soon we get there. I got bluetooth box
Speaker 1: and I say, I'm trying to you. And but it
Speaker 1: goes back to what you were saying where a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't really know that I do it. Oh
Speaker 1: and so you know having Dre dr Dre like recognize
Speaker 1: it and say that's that's a kid that's different, and like,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, I'm brand new and there's
Speaker 1: a forty six year old man. I'm like this man
Speaker 1: like playing already the producer bible for a lot of producers.
Speaker 1: His drums for sure, but his body, he's a He's
Speaker 1: made the call to some of the called his bodies
Speaker 1: of work all times, and so I'm sitting in the studio,
Speaker 1: you know Withdre and Puff like, I'm sitting here and
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I'm in the business, and yeah I've
Speaker 1: been successful at it. But there are levels. I understand
Speaker 1: those levels, and so when I'm sitting in the room
Speaker 1: with those levels, I am paying attention. I am taking
Speaker 1: notes because I am trying to get to that level
Speaker 1: and and making myself available as a musician or as
Speaker 1: a songwriter, or as a background singer or whatever is
Speaker 1: needed in the moment you saying you speak about humility.
Speaker 1: I love music. Whatever you need me today, let's get it, Okay,
Speaker 1: what it is? You just need me to clap? He
Speaker 1: came home. So I'm sorry that night that he came
Speaker 1: home so inspired school and another thank you Dr Drep.
Speaker 1: But like the inspiration you can't pay for, you can't
Speaker 1: muster up, you can't find it that you just like
Speaker 1: you gotta imagine, you know, a Puff saying, listen to
Speaker 1: this and playing music looking at you like, or Dr
Speaker 1: Dre Son listen to this and like looking at you
Speaker 1: like and like like getting your take on it, like
Speaker 1: like you're gonna say anything other than it's amazing because
Speaker 1: it's absolutely amazing. You know, like I said, your levels
Speaker 1: and and and growing and still wanting to grow to
Speaker 1: be preferently be on that level. Like these guys are guys,
Speaker 1: These guys are five million dollar plus guys. Huh yeah,
Speaker 1: I need I need to be around them. Here I am,
Speaker 1: which look like yeah. So you know, it's more of
Speaker 1: that discover read that I think is a great word.
Speaker 1: It's more of that discovery that you know, as I
Speaker 1: move into these other spaces and I'm able to rub
Speaker 1: those kind of elbows and things that I think more
Speaker 1: people will be exposed to. Oh we can, we can
Speaker 1: take him for that can tank for everything outside of
Speaker 1: pianos your favorite instrument to play because people now know
Speaker 1: you play the piano, but that's not the only instrument
Speaker 1: you play. Drums is my is my favorite to play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not as good. I'm not as good at playing
Speaker 1: drums as I am at playing piano, only because you know,
Speaker 1: I don't play drums as much. Yeah, when I was younger,
Speaker 1: it was drums first in piano. But you know, girls
Speaker 1: didn't really they didn't really move when I played the drums.
Speaker 1: It's always girls, you know what I'm saying when I
Speaker 1: played that piano first, you girls are sitting up on
Speaker 1: that piano like sing that one part again, Like you know,
Speaker 1: say the girls can gather around the piano and drums
Speaker 1: just too loud. Don't say the girls could gather around.
Speaker 1: You hit the second girl that one too. We don't
Speaker 1: hit that thing the game. That was too loud. They
Speaker 1: think at the bottom, that's too much. Right. The organ
Speaker 1: did get you know, I was just gonna the organs
Speaker 1: only gets you the real church girl, the deaconess. The
Speaker 1: organ to get you the deaconess. You're telling about your
Speaker 1: experience in what the deaconess? No, No, when I went
Speaker 1: to Rome and what was which the Michael Angelo Church,
Speaker 1: the Michael Angelo Church. And then let me play the
Speaker 1: pipe organ? What yeah? Video that let me play the
Speaker 1: pipe and it was like cloned down, locked up, you're
Speaker 1: the only one in there because that cadence is that
Speaker 1: it's it's a different movement that it took me a
Speaker 1: second to collect and in different notations. It was different.
Speaker 1: I had to It took me a second to like
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, you can't do that, you gotta
Speaker 1: do this like this, and then dude that you got it. God.
Speaker 1: But it was like it was like amazing and to
Speaker 1: hear it in it was a spiritual Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: like it was crazy. So yeah, Organ really it gets you.
Speaker 1: You know how many people can say that not a lot,
Speaker 1: not ze arm By Money the label. Look at first
Speaker 1: of all, how you came up with arm By Money.
Speaker 1: We know what I'm saying. What made you just say
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call my label Army Money Because I kept
Speaker 1: watching young money, cash money, everything, like everything that's that
Speaker 1: was being successful at the time, it was all predicated
Speaker 1: on money. Everything that everybody was doing at the time
Speaker 1: was flashing their money, trying to put their they drip
Speaker 1: on to show you that they got money. And you know,
Speaker 1: in the club, popping all the bottles they can pop
Speaker 1: to let you know they got money, pulling up in
Speaker 1: the craziest whips so let you know they got money.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Everybody's trying to figure out how to make
Speaker 1: money and they only want to be associated with things
Speaker 1: that they feel like are making money. Yeah, what is
Speaker 1: the call out to let people know that R and
Speaker 1: B music makes money? Oh? R and B money. It
Speaker 1: wasn't con times. It was as simple as that. I
Speaker 1: want people to associate R and B music with making money,
Speaker 1: R and B money, And it wasn't a selfish ploy.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like I'm the only one who's made R
Speaker 1: and B money. These R and B money hats are
Speaker 1: gonna go on so many different people's heads who you know,
Speaker 1: so many established artists came to send we want them.
Speaker 1: R and B money has no like. It's that movement
Speaker 1: with being able to once we get this merch together,
Speaker 1: give this merch out to those who are in the
Speaker 1: R and B money fraternity, fraternity and sorority, like we're
Speaker 1: we are a unit that makes R and B money,
Speaker 1: that makes R and B look good, that makes R
Speaker 1: and B feel good, makes RB smell good. We keep
Speaker 1: R and B expensive. You know what I'm saying, you're
Speaker 1: very expensive. What do you mean he's more expected than me?
Speaker 1: I'm not. Yes, you are not, Yes, you are. You
Speaker 1: get your ring and look at my ring. That's because
Speaker 1: I bought that and you bought it. Your ring calls
Speaker 1: more than this and this beautiful rings. You know when
Speaker 1: we get robbed playing with these people, but you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's that association. And so while these kids are
Speaker 1: enamored with the idea of being able to make money.
Speaker 1: That's the call out, that's the flag. And then once
Speaker 1: we get you in the building, we can teach you
Speaker 1: how to do that properly. There's an education that goes
Speaker 1: along with R and B money. It's not just we're
Speaker 1: gonna make some money. No HARMBI money is to teach
Speaker 1: their artists the financial literacy class because these kids got
Speaker 1: no no, they know they have to they have to
Speaker 1: know there has to. I mean we were talking with
Speaker 1: Tiffany fred and just about all of those things and
Speaker 1: all of those um teachable moments that that should be
Speaker 1: in a sense, if not required, at least offered. Like
Speaker 1: if it's not required as a part of your deal,
Speaker 1: it should at least be a space within your infrastructure
Speaker 1: where you can go to this class. You can go
Speaker 1: learn this and you can ask these questions and you
Speaker 1: can get the game. Um, because somebody has to know it,
Speaker 1: either somebody you trust on your team, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, or you that they can you know, relay
Speaker 1: this information to you. Like sometimes creative creatives don't want
Speaker 1: to be bogged down with the business of it all
Speaker 1: because it is stressful, like to try and you know, um,
Speaker 1: brain fatigue is a real thing where you're trying to
Speaker 1: do it through contracts and negotiating then go to the
Speaker 1: studio and try to make a hit record. Like that's
Speaker 1: a lot, you know what I mean. But the information
Speaker 1: has to be uh made more available, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I think for for artists, and you know,
Speaker 1: we are definitely a part of wanting to offer that
Speaker 1: so that you know how to manage and information. I
Speaker 1: love that too. I love that too. I think it's important,
Speaker 1: especially kids that make it in music. Um A lot
Speaker 1: of times there from places that you know, whether it's
Speaker 1: from inner city neighborhoods and things like that, and those
Speaker 1: things weren't taught, you know, even for me, that wasn't taught.
Speaker 1: How money was taught. Not managing money was talking keeping
Speaker 1: it learned by default. And also I think in black
Speaker 1: and brown homes, we almost teach our kids to say
Speaker 1: for something like say for that car, you want to
Speaker 1: say for the house. It's like, well, there's also to
Speaker 1: be a lifestyle of saving as well, so that you
Speaker 1: just have. So it's just all these like nuances. I think,
Speaker 1: like you said, you are very important to teach these
Speaker 1: artists that are coming and everything, yeah, um, and royalties
Speaker 1: and things like that, which you know so much about
Speaker 1: differently than what newer artists you know, because there was
Speaker 1: this thing going around for a while where people were
Speaker 1: just like being hype about owning masters, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I get it, but do you do you know what
Speaker 1: to do with masters? Do you know what it means
Speaker 1: to have to own it? Do you know how? Do
Speaker 1: do you know how to generate revenue from your masters?
Speaker 1: Most of them don't even know what that means. They
Speaker 1: just here, Yeah, and I want to own my masters?
Speaker 1: Why do you want to own your masters? Why do
Speaker 1: you want to own your masters versus being partners with
Speaker 1: somebody partnering up with your masters who who have a
Speaker 1: global infrastructure to help you monetize your master. Why wouldn't
Speaker 1: you want to do that? You don't know, You just
Speaker 1: the lingo is just going around. So it's that definitely,
Speaker 1: it's that information is those kind of things that need
Speaker 1: to be taught, even if you're at an independent Okay,
Speaker 1: got it, you gotta you gotta or you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, or or five if that's fine, But somebody's
Speaker 1: gonna have to administrate your master's You don't have the infrastructure,
Speaker 1: you don't have the relationships. You don't even know them. People,
Speaker 1: you don't even know the people. People you don't the
Speaker 1: first person to call to license masters. You don't have email,
Speaker 1: you don't even know what the google you don't. So
Speaker 1: you know, we are about like, that's what you know.
Speaker 1: That's what the label, that's what the podcast, that's what
Speaker 1: all these things are about about. Now, you guys definitely
Speaker 1: have some teachable moments in your podcast. It's about being
Speaker 1: informative because there's so many things. There are so many
Speaker 1: things that you learn through experience only only like the
Speaker 1: you're just not in the book. I don't care how
Speaker 1: many music books you read or music business books you read.
Speaker 1: Most of that stuff that we do, that we talk about,
Speaker 1: that we negotiate is not in those books. The rape
Speaker 1: maybe how you get to it, my god, The bartering,
Speaker 1: the taking less to get more, the knowing what to
Speaker 1: do in that moment, that decision part, like what am
Speaker 1: I supposed to do? And what you do? Because I
Speaker 1: have been like, let me see how I talked to this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's I don't play about listen to promoter, ain't got
Speaker 1: your BA I can, but it's three thousand people out there, right,
Speaker 1: what do you do? Sure came to see you. Do
Speaker 1: you know that the promoter and the building are two
Speaker 1: separate people? Do you know that you can go to
Speaker 1: the building and say, hey, man, your promoter that is
Speaker 1: using your building doesn't have my money. He's gonna make
Speaker 1: your building look bad. Are you prepared to do something
Speaker 1: about that? Going to say, frond me that money and
Speaker 1: then take it up with They don't even it's not
Speaker 1: in the book. And you know that by default hard
Speaker 1: knock life or three thousand people out there, I'll never
Speaker 1: work with him again, right, and I'm gonna give the
Speaker 1: show of let's turn the music on. He's definitely good
Speaker 1: for that. No, we got the bag now. I'm like
Speaker 1: that too, though, and I'll make sure it's understood. I'm
Speaker 1: no very I'll tell my friends, He'll tell Instagram. You
Speaker 1: have to because that business part which we we could
Speaker 1: talk creative, we could talk all these beautiful grandioso things
Speaker 1: as an artists, but the business, the music business and
Speaker 1: economics all that that is an important component of it,
Speaker 1: like the biggest, the most important. The successful ones understand
Speaker 1: and do business. It's like us restructure in our business.
Speaker 1: It was it was to the benefit of of both
Speaker 1: of us, us and our partners, because to them economically,
Speaker 1: they weren't taking a risk and to us, economically, we
Speaker 1: were just betting on ourselves. And so they were like, yeah, cool,
Speaker 1: let's right. Yeah. We were like, that's right. And so
Speaker 1: then it just became about the work. If it's just
Speaker 1: about the work, uh, we're gonna win that. But a
Speaker 1: great partnership because we're not making we're not making our
Speaker 1: partners jump out the window, you know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: on the first day, But we are willing to take
Speaker 1: the hit to show them that we are worth being
Speaker 1: partners with, we are worth being in bed with, and
Speaker 1: that then on the back side of that success, it's like,
Speaker 1: you know what, give you a little more to keep
Speaker 1: doing that. You know what, We're gonna give you even
Speaker 1: more of that to keep doing that. Do you have
Speaker 1: those conversations say I need more or do you hope
Speaker 1: that they'll say we're gonna give you a lot more? No,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I am I'm comfortable with continuing
Speaker 1: to bet on myself. I really am. Like I just
Speaker 1: when I look at the numbers and I think everybody
Speaker 1: should get their bag. If you're worth something crazy by
Speaker 1: all means, if you can get it, get it. I
Speaker 1: don't want to I don't want to owe. Like you know, I,
Speaker 1: like I said, I'm in I'm an owner of my
Speaker 1: master's and I want to eat off my master's every
Speaker 1: by quarterly. I want a six figure check to come in.
Speaker 1: That's what I want to see for my work for
Speaker 1: the rest of my life. I mean, sure we can
Speaker 1: cash out and get you know, this big old lump
Speaker 1: sum up front, and I don't. I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the long game, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And then you start digging holes in
Speaker 1: so many different places where it's like at a certain point,
Speaker 1: nobody wants to do business with you because all you have,
Speaker 1: you know, you have a trail of that behind you,
Speaker 1: and nobody wants to do business with a person that
Speaker 1: is known for being with the story along with each
Speaker 1: trail of that. Every If I'm I'm in the black,
Speaker 1: I live in the black. That's why people don't mind
Speaker 1: doing business with me. That's why people don't mind doing
Speaker 1: business with us. We live in the black. I don't
Speaker 1: care what it is in the black. You do have
Speaker 1: a great partnership though, something that's kind of unheard of.
Speaker 1: You know what. That's a that's a very great that
Speaker 1: you say that. I have great partners in Atlantic Records.
Speaker 1: And one thing Craig Common said to me when I
Speaker 1: first got there is we're gonna get it. Wow, We're
Speaker 1: gonna get it. No matter how long it takes, we're
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna get it. And never that, Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: gonna We're gonna get it. And no matter how long
Speaker 1: it text, we're gonna get it. Like we're committed to
Speaker 1: working with you and building this relationship with you, and
Speaker 1: we're going to get it. And so you think I
Speaker 1: got signed there in twenty ten, I don't know. And
Speaker 1: when we didn't happen until sixteen, we did. We were
Speaker 1: doing we're doing cool numbers, but we hadn't hit the one.
Speaker 1: So they really waited six years. They stayed rocking with me,
Speaker 1: stayed in bed with me for six years until I
Speaker 1: got the one. But that's also a testament to the
Speaker 1: type of person you are. People do business with people
Speaker 1: who they like, and you know we can, but that's
Speaker 1: who it is. I mean, you go to the office,
Speaker 1: you go tap in with people, check on people. This
Speaker 1: is the part of the business of business that people
Speaker 1: have to understand is vital. And he makes him he
Speaker 1: maintains and manages them well. They love him up there.
Speaker 1: It's not a sour thing when you hear his name door. No,
Speaker 1: they love him and they love me. They make me
Speaker 1: feel comfortable. Sure, but it's like, I just don't. I
Speaker 1: just I just don't believe in bad energy. Even if
Speaker 1: even if we're on the down, even if you know,
Speaker 1: if we're not hitting it off, you know, from a
Speaker 1: success standpoint, if the numbers aren't crazy, I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not blaming this person or that person. Like we're in
Speaker 1: a partnership. We're a team. So the the scarboard doesn't say,
Speaker 1: you know, the marketing department loss or you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, or the promotions department loss or you know,
Speaker 1: he doesn't say that. It doesn't it doesn't say tank loss.
Speaker 1: When we get in this room, we did not win.
Speaker 1: So how can we fix this and make it better
Speaker 1: so that we win? Like and that I'm a team
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm an athlete. I come from team sports,
Speaker 1: like and I believe I'm morale and not believe in
Speaker 1: everybody feeling good about coming the work. Like when you
Speaker 1: have a new conversations, you know, with my name on
Speaker 1: the line, Like you have to understand these people, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like whether it be Radio Um,
Speaker 1: whether it be pr whether it be all these people
Speaker 1: who are working on your behalf. Right, they can say
Speaker 1: your name with with with glee, with a smile, or
Speaker 1: they can say, oh, yeah, we got this tank thing
Speaker 1: that we're doing. Let us know if you've got space
Speaker 1: for it, right, Or they can say we got this
Speaker 1: tank thing that absolutely amazing. He's a great guy. You
Speaker 1: got you have to pay attention or you can get that.
Speaker 1: So understand how you treat these people that are speaking
Speaker 1: on your behalf as it as it as it relates
Speaker 1: to your career, your life. You don't want those people
Speaker 1: to feel good about you. You Wow, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of artists that don't understand that. They don't get it.
Speaker 1: I've gotten so many gigs and so many opportunities not
Speaker 1: because I was the biggest artist or the hottest artist
Speaker 1: at the time, because those people actually like me, because
Speaker 1: they like the tank coming here. We're gonna have a
Speaker 1: good time uble we're gonna laugh, we're gonna drink, we're
Speaker 1: gonna crack jokes, and then he gonna get on the
Speaker 1: stage and go crazy and and we're gonna have a
Speaker 1: good He's gonna take all the pictures and we're going
Speaker 1: to have a good time. And that's part of artists development. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but they don't teach. But it's already money. It's time,
Speaker 1: money gonna Learnay, definitely gonna learn today. Can I get
Speaker 1: my deal? Let's talk about this on air. Can I
Speaker 1: get my deal? Is Za's deal? What is there? So?
Speaker 1: I'm just getting back to you, back to you what
Speaker 1: I would like to know about. I would like to
Speaker 1: know about. Zena has been wanting to do a record
Speaker 1: deal for I don't know how long. I think Zena
Speaker 1: is great with hearing music. Zena can hear music. She
Speaker 1: knows when it ain't right. She knows like when it's
Speaker 1: vocally wrong, musically wrong, like she can hear. I don't
Speaker 1: know how she does it. I don't know how she's
Speaker 1: able to do that but still be toned dead, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So it's like it's like, Babe,
Speaker 1: go so nice? No, do you have so many other
Speaker 1: gifts and let's do this on their No no no,
Speaker 1: I wasn't prepared and I've been drinking Champo. No no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: We have asked for this deal on air yet. Okay,
Speaker 1: so economically, so you know, it's just it's just gonna
Speaker 1: it's gonna take a little tune, take a little It's
Speaker 1: gonna take a little tune. That's okay, But I may
Speaker 1: have to break down and do one record. I can
Speaker 1: carry that stage with choreography though, I want to hear.
Speaker 1: Let's just do just give me one because it's gonna
Speaker 1: go and then we're gonna have creative monster. Ate it
Speaker 1: a monster. But that's all I want. And I'm gonna
Speaker 1: quit everytime. No you're not. You're gonna tas that first thing.
Speaker 1: You think I'll start chearing. I told you I was
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, he was hating all this time. Oh
Speaker 1: it's gonna get it's gonna get real ugly, and I
Speaker 1: gotta get that's what you baby sitting kids right there
Speaker 1: where you're going to work. Get going. We have to
Speaker 1: get going, going to work. You know what this is? You?
Speaker 1: I would love that you said you wanted to retire, right,
Speaker 1: said you was done. I'll be running the beauty business.
Speaker 1: It's he'll be in the packing orders. Can you imagine it?
Speaker 1: Just signed to go guy still still relieve find wrinkles
Speaker 1: products are say do work, They do work and they
Speaker 1: are good. The bosto. Um, let's talk about you're gonna
Speaker 1: do a top five. I love to do a top five.
Speaker 1: Let's do a top five. Top five? What top five?
Speaker 1: I'm even gonna say R and B. Let's just say
Speaker 1: top five. I don't even go artists or you want
Speaker 1: to go albums stuff. Mhm. I'll start with artists. Top
Speaker 1: five artists, top five artists, Jesus, top five artists. I
Speaker 1: don't want to stick it to R and B. Whatever, everything, Okay,
Speaker 1: five Marvin Gaye, Okay, we gotta start there. We're gonna
Speaker 1: start there. Um Reverend John P. King, Okay, I go there, commissioned,
Speaker 1: I gotta go there. Joy See, I know what Joe
Speaker 1: five is gonna be, but you don't want it to be.
Speaker 1: You don't have to say, we know what it is.
Speaker 1: Jesus saw he's a goner. He's a good That is
Speaker 1: so funny. So yeah, I mean it's a top top
Speaker 1: five because it's a tough top five, because you know,
Speaker 1: there's Kim barell Um, There's there's Beyonce of course or
Speaker 1: Beyonce Um, there's Celine dion Um, and there's Aretha Franklin.
Speaker 1: I just it's I just gave a I just gave
Speaker 1: a top five that came to my head. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: what's your next favorite genre of music outside of army whatever?
Speaker 1: Lenny Kravitz does, whatever you call that, whatever, whatever that is,
Speaker 1: right does he does? It have a It's a Lenny Kravitz,
Speaker 1: It's a Kravt. It's rock, it's it's funk, it's it's
Speaker 1: worldly like, it's it's everything. Whatever he does, that's my
Speaker 1: next favorite genre of music. I want to reincarnate and
Speaker 1: come back with a guitar. You have the hair, and
Speaker 1: I was going to say leather pants, boots and uh
Speaker 1: and in a fish fish net tank tok. Think still sexy.
Speaker 1: I can take that. You want, Gene, He's still sexy.
Speaker 1: I can take that. Yeah, I can take I can
Speaker 1: take you. Being Linny Krabing worried to say, let me
Speaker 1: take Lenny kravisten. Listen, we sa you have to do
Speaker 1: Sometimes sometimes you just have to give a pass right
Speaker 1: because some ballots. You're gonna lose, right, Lenny Crabs, let
Speaker 1: me get that pants. I'm probably gonna need your woman
Speaker 1: for the night. You know what. You be careful with that, Okay,
Speaker 1: at a certain time, just you send her back in
Speaker 1: one piece and if you want to, and if you
Speaker 1: want to send her back with a stipend, you can
Speaker 1: also that if you want. Has a friend name is yeah? Cool?
Speaker 1: Every I don't know a few questions. Favorite female R
Speaker 1: and B artists very tough. Actually, favorite female R and
Speaker 1: B album better? I mean, you gotta look at your phone. No, no,
Speaker 1: I want to be clear about about I know whose
Speaker 1: album is it is? I just want to be clear about.
Speaker 1: Can we get that little Doo Doo Doo amazing? No,
Speaker 1: we don't. You're gonna um just say the artists. We
Speaker 1: can help you figure it out. We gotta say the
Speaker 1: album because if you stayed the artists Brandy never say Never,
Speaker 1: oh period, I'm sorry you like to never say never?
Speaker 1: Better than Full Moon, Yeah, never say Nevers? Yeah? Is
Speaker 1: Angel Disguise? That's I mean, that is a great album.
Speaker 1: But my favorite female R and B album is Brandy Fullmo.
Speaker 1: Let let me look at Let me look at Fullmo
Speaker 1: for Memon. The record is one of the greatest records
Speaker 1: I think ever, just that record, from top to bottom.
Speaker 1: They call the tracks tracks on the tracks, but never
Speaker 1: say never, transmation, never say never is just place. Have
Speaker 1: you ever? Have you ever missed everything? Put that on,
Speaker 1: put that on that Oh I love that. I think
Speaker 1: about it, about it because never say is that Angela Scott.
Speaker 1: That's that's top to bottom and I love you that's
Speaker 1: what it's look at. Yeah, baby, Full Moon probably has
Speaker 1: killed that album. Full Moon probably has my favorite Brandy song,
Speaker 1: which one when you Touch Me? Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: love that song when listen, let me tell you. I
Speaker 1: don't know what it was, but when that album came out,
Speaker 1: I used to love to just drive album and being
Speaker 1: my feelings. I don't care if it was in a
Speaker 1: good place or a bad place. My feeling you have
Speaker 1: to say never. In Full Moon I would put up
Speaker 1: against any females, anyone, anybody. Yeah, me too, that thing,
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, every record, every song, every touch me.
Speaker 1: When I heard that song, I was so. When I
Speaker 1: heard that song, I was so, I was it. It
Speaker 1: took me a while to audit the song because some
Speaker 1: songs just some songs just messed me up. That's one
Speaker 1: of the songs that messed me up. It took me.
Speaker 1: The other the song recently that messed me up. That
Speaker 1: that that I'm still auditing, still trying to get out
Speaker 1: of my feelings about It's heart damage. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: anybody shout out to cardiac. Oh my gosh, are you
Speaker 1: kidding me? Are you kidding me? That's the song, the
Speaker 1: original song already itself damaged me, already messed me up.
Speaker 1: And then they did that h when you touched me?
Speaker 1: That Now, I'm totally with that. I'm with that answer too,
Speaker 1: totally totally aligned. Right, I gotta get her on the pod.
Speaker 1: She's come, She's gonna come, she'll come. Do you know
Speaker 1: how important she like I'm born and like, do you
Speaker 1: not how important? Like we have like Brandy. I saw
Speaker 1: Brandy sing. I introduced Brandy at um at um. What
Speaker 1: was the Army Knight? Philip? Philip? I think was the
Speaker 1: reason we would be? I hosted, I was hosting it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was, And I introduced Brandy and I watched my
Speaker 1: friends guys while she was singing. I watched him hug
Speaker 1: each other, Yeah, huddled up together. Men just done watching.
Speaker 1: I'm saying like this, she was just she was just Brandy. Brandy.
Speaker 1: Oh she's so good voice like that, change the world
Speaker 1: runs like that. I mean, she's her runs voice, just
Speaker 1: different gifts, different kind of gifts, different kind of gifts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what else does hot mess? I was living at Brandy
Speaker 1: in the conversar radie. I told you to burst. There's
Speaker 1: one time I did get mad at Brandy in real life.
Speaker 1: Remember my birthday party in l A. Just going real,
Speaker 1: don't be real it was It wasn't bad. It was
Speaker 1: my birthday party in l A. And one of my
Speaker 1: really good friends was pregnant. She was at my birthday
Speaker 1: party and Brandy approached her for being pregnant in the
Speaker 1: club down and I was like, whoa, she's here to
Speaker 1: celebrate me. We're just having here with this child. Now,
Speaker 1: I does that? She crazy? She's on the mother's board.
Speaker 1: Came to sit her down. She's like, wait, you shouldn't
Speaker 1: be on here here the Lord. I was like. It
Speaker 1: was so funny because she was my favorite female R
Speaker 1: and B artist. No, I love her. What I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: I just remember that moment that was so funny to me.
Speaker 1: Is Mariah Carey R and B two M too. I
Speaker 1: mean Mariah Carey eventually moved into a more soulful space
Speaker 1: because there are different you know, there's so many different
Speaker 1: nuances to R and B and so when you when
Speaker 1: you say pop, you're just saying music is more popular.
Speaker 1: But when you're singing about love, singing from the depths
Speaker 1: of your soul, Yeah, music to me absolutely, just in
Speaker 1: a different space. You know what I'm saying, pop was
Speaker 1: the or the word pop was created so that certain
Speaker 1: people could take ownership of it. But you know that's
Speaker 1: a different type of conversation, conversation, different real conversation. But yeah,
Speaker 1: Mari Carry, Mari Carry is capable of all things, all
Speaker 1: things absolutely, Marian Oh dirty bastard. She's the only artist
Speaker 1: that did which she did because she didn't have to
Speaker 1: did not that she never needed she needs. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: needed it. Yeah, there's a she didn't need it, but
Speaker 1: for her, for her soul, I need to shed. I
Speaker 1: need to get to that ship I need That's what
Speaker 1: I really do. That y'all don't know that I do.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine. I want O dB on. They were like, now,
Speaker 1: what change that record is? Like, where's locks? Need I
Speaker 1: need that ship. Yeah, she had to bring in her
Speaker 1: other side. Then you have to think about this like
Speaker 1: it only works if we believe her. Sure we did, absolutely,
Speaker 1: still do. Absolutely A choice inspired you as far as musically,
Speaker 1: like vocally. I know you came from the church, but
Speaker 1: what artists um Shot study Reverend Reverend drop study, commissioned
Speaker 1: study baby Face, that's study Bryan and Night. I studied
Speaker 1: R Kelly, I studied You'll to See. And this is
Speaker 1: all late in the game because I really wasn't able
Speaker 1: to listen to this stuff. I studied New Edition, I
Speaker 1: studied Anything Jimmy Jim and Terry Lewis. Did you know
Speaker 1: I had to go back and dig in the crates
Speaker 1: and and and learn all of these things that all
Speaker 1: that had already passed me by, studied the Late Bolt.
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't start doing R B music until
Speaker 1: ninety six. I graduated high school ninety four. So much
Speaker 1: great R and B before then, so much, and I
Speaker 1: had to I had to go back and listen and
Speaker 1: and and dig into those crates. But I like, I
Speaker 1: was a student of music of so many dope artists
Speaker 1: because you know, I wanted to have it all, and
Speaker 1: so I would sit in my room with my keyboard.
Speaker 1: Had a p v D p M four. My mother
Speaker 1: brought it for me, my first synthesizer. I could do
Speaker 1: tracks on and shout out to your mother, shout out
Speaker 1: to mom's financing my joint and paying the bill and uh.
Speaker 1: And I would sit in my room from sun up
Speaker 1: to sundown. I didn't even know it was nighttime. I
Speaker 1: would get up. I would eat breakfast, and then my
Speaker 1: mom will come in the room. She's like, what are
Speaker 1: you doing. I was like, I'm just you understoding. She's like,
Speaker 1: do you know what time it is? I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, She's like, it's nine o'clock at night. She's like,
Speaker 1: have you eaven? I was like no, I forgot. I
Speaker 1: was like a hundred pounds. So I would not I
Speaker 1: wouldn't even eat. I would be on studying, studying. Timberland
Speaker 1: was my favorite producer, so I would in my little
Speaker 1: nine track sequencer. I would try to reproduce all the
Speaker 1: songs that Timberland did. I would try to reproduce Eli.
Speaker 1: I would try to reproduce you know, genuine. I will
Speaker 1: try to reproduce all of these different things. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I gotta be like Timberland, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, And I study the craft, study
Speaker 1: like baby Face was the first R and B artist
Speaker 1: whose songs I could sing if a girl asked me
Speaker 1: to sing something, because it was nice songs, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So that's where I kind of first
Speaker 1: got my little taste of singing R and B music
Speaker 1: was singing babysitting baby Face songs. You know I'm saying.
Speaker 1: On the whipp a pill, you know that tender love
Speaker 1: an you know what I'm saying, Like I could sing
Speaker 1: tender songs. You say, tender songs work for the church, kid.
Speaker 1: So you know, I studied so much. I studied all
Speaker 1: of it. Like I can tell you. I can tell
Speaker 1: you how you know, all of those artists I name,
Speaker 1: I can tell you how they do their thing down
Speaker 1: to the science and I can and I can tell
Speaker 1: that crazy that you have a relationship with people's circle, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: that is that is crazy. Yeah, yeah, that's nuts. I
Speaker 1: never thought of that. I never. I never thought of that.
Speaker 1: I never, I never. I never thought of that. That's
Speaker 1: the beauty in it. Yeah, you're destined to do exactly
Speaker 1: what you've done in this world. Profit Todd Hall. When
Speaker 1: I was um, I used to open for him. You know,
Speaker 1: I has to come seeing a couple of selections before
Speaker 1: he would preach. And he prophesied on me one day
Speaker 1: and he was like, this, this won't be the place
Speaker 1: where you are called to go out there. I was like,
Speaker 1: what do you mean? Yeah, so you're called to go
Speaker 1: out there and be correct prophet. I don't told me that.
Speaker 1: And and I don't think anybody in the church at
Speaker 1: that moment we're got that or we're too excited about that.
Speaker 1: Definitely not gonna say that. But he's you know, he's
Speaker 1: one of the realists. He's one of the realists. You know,
Speaker 1: he's a prophet who I have to honor him as
Speaker 1: a prophet. But he's one of the realist Niggers I've
Speaker 1: ever met. Yeah, so that's the second honor, right after
Speaker 1: the I have to I have to honor him as
Speaker 1: a prophet first. You know what I'm saying. I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't disrespect that realistical. And he told me said,
Speaker 1: will you will prosper out there? So so many you
Speaker 1: knew it? Yeah, I mean, of course he knows it.
Speaker 1: All right, we do it be money. He said, retire,
Speaker 1: But I don't think as much as I hope to make,
Speaker 1: we canang lose you. Banker said, we can't lose you
Speaker 1: if Anita comes in on this case need his Instagram
Speaker 1: right right? You know Anita comes to the couch and
Speaker 1: then Nita comes in on the couch. I am going
Speaker 1: to shout the pool yeah don't but did you have
Speaker 1: a good time? Often here we go if you give
Speaker 1: you all today because it was my first time. But
Speaker 1: don't don't let me sit here. I would like to
Speaker 1: see more of the woman aspect and point of view
Speaker 1: on the Army Money podcast. Just let us know. You know,
Speaker 1: we're always into giving the people what they want, and
Speaker 1: to be honest, let's just say women is I personally
Speaker 1: feel like who RMB is supposed to cater to. So
Speaker 1: I appreciate you for having so women. Women run this world? Sure,
Speaker 1: period point black. So I am honored to have my
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