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Speaker 1: Well, thank We are the authority on all things R

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Speaker 1: Tank and this is the R and B Money Podcast,

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Speaker 1: the authority on all things R and B all things.

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Speaker 1: Um yeah, I don't know what me sit here. This

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Speaker 1: ain't this ain't my normal seat. But this is not

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Speaker 1: a normal R and B Money podcast. Today I'm in

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Speaker 1: the hot seat R and B Money. It's out my

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Speaker 1: last album. That's what this is gonna be about. And

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Speaker 1: to have this special R and B Money episode, I

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Speaker 1: have two special people here with me in the building.

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Speaker 1: Let me take a drink. Well to special people in

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Speaker 1: the house. UM, I like to call my friend this woman,

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Speaker 1: I just call her a business one. That is it.

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Speaker 1: If it is business, she can handle it, she can

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Speaker 1: do it. Please, uh give some spinker snaps money podcast

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Speaker 1: world to my family. Ms y'all, I would like to

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Speaker 1: Curtsey and then, UM, I mean, first of all, let

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Speaker 1: danced in my first video. I mean we called eyes.

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Speaker 1: we have been we have been friends for a long time.

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Speaker 1: We have been best friends. Um, we are soul mates.

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Speaker 1: And she is a businessman, but more importantly the mother

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Speaker 1: of my kids and my wife. Last year, looking champagne.

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Speaker 1: We gotta start, no, woman's get the start up right.

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Speaker 1: This is special. Ladies love champagne. Okay, everybody watching Normy

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Speaker 1: Money podcast, Ladies love champagne. You know they also dabbled

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Speaker 1: then that tequila. I just let you know how that

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Speaker 1: night is gonna go. Protect yourself at all times. How

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Speaker 1: y'all doing, how y'all feel to be? I'm ready, You're ready. Ready.

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Speaker 1: I feel like in my hot seat because I'm almost here.

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Speaker 1: I'll something. I feel like Becausina said, we're drinking champagne here,

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Speaker 1: So I mean, what a freaking honor. First of all,

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Speaker 1: can I say how inspirational you guys are. I know

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Speaker 1: You know, I like to I've been a friend of

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Speaker 1: journey and I'm just happy to be here with you

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Speaker 1: guys as husband, as wife, a beautiful family, incredible friends

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Speaker 1: to a lot of people, good people. You know, aside

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Speaker 1: So I just want to say cheers to that, Cheers

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Speaker 1: to family, Cheers to keeping that thing strong man. Love

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Speaker 1: about my music something years very focus, Okay, I Today's

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Speaker 1: Flower Days as you eloquently purchased for me on the

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Speaker 1: stop dancing when the song didn't work? Okay, and I

423
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: felt like my dancing I had something almost going his career.

424
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: I felt like I felt like I was dancing good.

425
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: I was dancing great, I was doing somersaults. Everything was

426
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: great into that, but but when it didn't work, that

427
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: entire thing for me just felt like a bad place,

428
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: and I just stopped dancing. Period. But now, when you're

429
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: on stage, like you gotta groove front of them all

430
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: the time, but I can say, like i'd be jamming

431
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: with you when you're on say to make sure he

432
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: got it, I gotta did, Bob, and you do jam

433
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: with him because are you recording with no? He looks

434
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: great on stage, Like he carries himself so good on stage,

435
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: almost as if he's in the studio, likely in rehearsaling somebody,

436
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: but he's not. He's by himself. Oh, he's beyond always

437
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: rehearsing in my mind. Interesting, tell me about like I

438
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: drive most of the times when I drive, especially when

439
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: I'm by myself, I don't play the music. So when

440
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,719
Speaker 1: i'm driving or when I have those quiet times, when

441
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: I'm able to have those quiet times, I'm visualizing. I'm

442
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: visualizing everything, Like if if Javon sends me the setness,

443
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: then I'm visualized interesting. I'm so I'm gonna say this

444
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: and then and I'm gonna do that and then and then,

445
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: and I go over to my head and I make

446
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: sure I have it downpacked perfect, Like every time you

447
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: see me on stage, I'm going to do pretty much

448
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: the same thing every night, with slight variations based on

449
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: the energy in the room. But I'm very methodical and

450
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: very intentional with everything that I do on stage. You

451
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, So that I know where to

452
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: be when the lights do this, and I know where

453
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: to be when the band hits this. I know where

454
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: to be, like I know where to be. You know

455
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: what I'm saying from artists now, because it's like you

456
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: go back to what rehearsals, Like I've rehearsed so much

457
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: so we're now in my mind. Now, in my mind,

458
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: I can I can build it. And once I build

459
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: it in my mind, my my my, my body turns

460
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: it out. I know what it is like what I

461
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: whatever I was visualizing on Friday, when I get to

462
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: the stage on Saturday, I'm going to do exactly that.

463
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But that's from first having

464
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: all those years rehearsal and artists development and understanding UM

465
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: and understanding show in placement, you know what I'm saying,

466
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: and all of those things UM and being groomed right

467
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: like so um. We can't have those groups. We would

468
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: turn all the way back to that. We can't have groups.

469
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: We just have to We just have to get people

470
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: who who have been together. Yeah, I want to say,

471
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: I feel like they have to be organic. They can't

472
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: get together groups that are people that they have their

473
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: own relationship that's not based on the business. It's not

474
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: based on the money, that's not based on together. They

475
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: have their own because because when you have that, you've

476
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: argued before before, you've had your differences, but you're still

477
00:31:52,400 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: together and that will carry over into you're doing record

478
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: company business. The thing that you'll stick to is each

479
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: other because well, you're gonna you're gonna talk about my

480
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, It's not a group member.

481
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: You ain't gonna talk about my sister like that, Like

482
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: like what you're saying, like what you own? You know

483
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like we're together. It's that bond that

484
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: we gotta find. And so if there are groups out

485
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: there that are groups already and not trying to be

486
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: groups for the bag, those groups will work because then

487
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: again they'll understand the economic of it. Listen, this isn't

488
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: the days of being able to get everybody a hundred

489
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: thousand dollar advanced and then have a three or four

490
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: thousand dollar budget to go along with it. No, we

491
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: ma can only get each person a thirty thousand all

492
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: advance ord all advanced, and then we may only be

493
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: able to get to fifty to do the album and

494
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: do album packaging, know what I'm saying, and then possibly

495
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: get some sponsorship, you know, a liquor sponsor or some

496
00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 1: other sponsor to help get the visuals done and and

497
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: and to and to run up for social media program

498
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: like all those things. It has to be economical, right,

499
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: because that's the business that we're in. Like, people don't

500
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: even understand how much artists used to have to recoup

501
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: back in the day. Oh my god, like, I don't

502
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: think anybody understands we were spending a yeah, they got

503
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: that advanceing. I got to recoup this first. Before I

504
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: came out the gate, I was I was maybe one

505
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: point five maybe one point five, maybe a little over

506
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: in the whole before I came out the gate. M

507
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: in the whole. That's a lot of money. And I

508
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: know numbers are thrown around and people don't understand that's

509
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: a lot of money I had to pay back. We

510
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: need that back all people need to understand what regroup

511
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: me against earth. Yeah, so you know we aren't living

512
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: in those We aren't living in those times anymore. We

513
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: aren't living in you know. But that's what you know.

514
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: That's what my time away from the artist space is

515
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: what I want to be able to develop and be

516
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: able to teach the new artists coming into the game. Question, yes,

517
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 1: Tanks number one album chart wise? Is what number one

518
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 1: album chart wise? I think I had just stop selling album.

519
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: I mean now I'm starting the album single chart wise.

520
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: When we was Tanks number one song to himself, if

521
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: you could have said that should have been my number

522
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: one song, even though when we I'm gonna tell you

523
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: a song that should have been my number one I'm

524
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: trying to figure out the song should have been my

525
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: number one song that I think would have. I mean,

526
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: I've I've done well. Yes, I've done well. I'm still

527
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: doing well. But I think would have. I don't know,

528
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 1: but this might have done something crazy and I don't

529
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: I might have. I might have went somewhere else. Um

530
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: celebration featuring Dre, that's your song? Well, how did that

531
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: song get Tickere? Let me tell you something. You said

532
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: that's my song. I love that song. That's no your song.

533
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying. That's what she's saying, number one, number one

534
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: song in terms of the song that I think could

535
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: have outdone everything all of my songs. Right, Like, Drake

536
00:35:54,320 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: is on fire. He's you know what's fair? He always

537
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: but but he's on fire. Okay's fire And he and

538
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: we get on the phone. He's like, bro, I'm a

539
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: big fan man. That's sex love in pain. And I

540
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: was like, because she actually introduced me to Drake, who

541
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: got who got him? On Celebration? I okay, must have

542
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: been you. You want to pa, go ahead, get your

543
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: shoulder one time. We're here, Yeah, hit your should on

544
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: one time? He did late for late. Hey, I don't

545
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: even think I knew that. So yeah, it was the time.

546
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 1: So you you introduced me to Drake because I didn't

547
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: know who Drake was. No, I didn't know Drake. I

548
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: induced to the music. So I go, clear up, we

549
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 1: have a pass here. So so I go to her

550
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: house and she's like, oh, this dude, this dude call

551
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 1: me out on the song like it's it's crazy here

552
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: and I'm like what song and say loving pain Baby.

553
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:10,439
Speaker 1: I was like he's like yeah right, I'm like he's

554
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,919
Speaker 1: doing and so like even from that song, that song

555
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: coming out, my walkthroughs went out. All of a sudden,

556
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: I was in the club, thank you wanna you're trying

557
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: you want to host your my hosting club st That's

558
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: like I'm bad, I'm back right, And so get in

559
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: contact with your ache and he's like, I'm a man,

560
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan. Man. Me and my guys love

561
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: the sex stuff and pain. If you ever need me

562
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: on anything, just say the word see this. We get

563
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: off this. I don't know him to do this, but

564
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: and I didn't have a song. I said, I'll send

565
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: you one. I'll send you one. And the first song

566
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: I sent him with sex music, and I sent him

567
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 1: sex music and he was like, he's like, he's like,

568
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 1: I like it, but I don't think that's the one.

569
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, don't

570
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: work because I don't go draw right. So so so

571
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: I went back and the stereotypes had given me a track, right,

572
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: and this track was so crazy that sometimes I get

573
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: a track and it's so it's just it's so amazing

574
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: to me that I I'm so into the music that

575
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: I can't find the journey that that's supposed to lay

576
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: on top of. I can't find it. And I literally

577
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: listened to that track and I took that track with

578
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: me to Miami. I remember this vividly, and I remember

579
00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: sitting on on the I'm sitting on the balcony at

580
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 1: night and I'm looping this track. I'm looping it. I'm

581
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: just with a beverage over and over. I'm so in

582
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 1: love with the music. I can't find the journey. So

583
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: I finally get back to l A. I think it

584
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: was on like A just maybe A doing a couple

585
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: of dates or something. I finally get back to l A.

586
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 1: And this is when we're working in an Underdogs building

587
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: on on violence and m So I go up to

588
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: our room and uh and Jay is sitting there and

589
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, Jay, this track has just been

590
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: can't it's been killing me. I was like, I just

591
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: can't find I can't find it. And so he's like,

592
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: you said play it, play it. So I play it

593
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 1: and JB was listening to he said it just it

594
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: feels like a celebration, like it just. I said, that's it.

595
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: Turned it, my go turn it on and said, that's it.

596
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 1: That's it. At the bottom of that phones any baby,

597
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 1: egn sell to think it's your birthday baby. He'll sell

598
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: him probably after party. I can't wait to sell him

599
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: all the party. And then I said, oh, he's gonna

600
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: love this one because this is it. I can't wait

601
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: to send this one to the boy. Yes to the boys.

602
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: And I sent that with to Drake and he said, yes, sir, yeah,

603
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: this is it. He said, I got you on it. Now.

604
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 1: You gotta be patient when you get these Drake versions. Okay,

605
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: you gotta be patient. You know, chick, I see you

606
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: moving away right, you know what I got see you

607
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: Christ and I let you. I let your boy when

608
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: if you get a minute. You don't want to press,

609
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: you don't want to stress. You want to gotta be

610
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: nice about you, gotta be patient when you trying to

611
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: get the Drake burst now and uh and sent his

612
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: verse back. When he sent his verse back, the thing

613
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: that was most impressive about his verse was him asking me, hey, man, like,

614
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: do you like it? And if you if you don't

615
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: like it, man, just let me know. I can redo

616
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: any of it. And I was like, what what? No? What? Right? Like,

617
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: he's Drake. You can drop a verse off and not

618
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: say nothing. He can, he can do that, but the

619
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: verse is so crazy. I was like, you are out

620
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: of control. You're out of control, right, take this to

621
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: the label. We have not only at Drake, not only

622
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: a Drake feature. We have a Drake feature for the

623
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: love and now. Yeah, it was I couldn't afford a

624
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: Drake feature. No, I couldn't afford it. I had a

625
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 1: Drake feature for the love. He respected you in your music,

626
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: so I'll go to But I said, listen, this is

627
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: I don't have to and unfortunately berg Man wouldn't clear

628
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: him at the time. Is that what happened? And I

629
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: think I think for a while he thought I just

630
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: got a verse from him and didn't put it out.

631
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: I think that he thought that, yeah, And I remember

632
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: having a conversation, I said, I said, he said, man,

633
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: you got the whole thing. And you know what I'm

634
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: saying that you just kind of settled, I said. I said,

635
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: I did not. I argued in my record company, like

636
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: I said, with shout out to Junic Ringwall, shoutut um.

637
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: And they were like, what do you want to go

638
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: with next? And I said celebration? Yeah, this this is

639
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: the next celebration, is it? And they were like, we

640
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,720
Speaker 1: don't have the clearance. Think. I was like, I don't care,

641
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 1: don't they were and they were like that's not how

642
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: are legal works? And they were like they were like

643
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: I was like, they were like we we have tried

644
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: to get the clearance. We cannot get the clearance. So

645
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: he said no, or he just wouldn't get back to

646
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: the burn Man, wouldn't you know, That's what I'm saying.

647
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: He said no, or he just did not know this.

648
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: Can we go back? And I've I've never gotten around

649
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: to asking Burdman. You know, you gotta ask Bergman nicely.

650
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: You can't respect you gotta you gotta put respect on it.

651
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 1: He was calling you man and um, but we couldn't

652
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: get that clearance and what ended up heavy time though.

653
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: I'm just now thinking about the time that emergency and

654
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: I can't make you love me. I mean, yeah, I

655
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: can't make you let me. Those songs dropped, but I

656
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: feel like after celebration, those songs would have hit way interested.

657
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 1: Those songs would have hit way different. And and that's that.

658
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: That to me, that's my number one song that never

659
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: went number one. And they're like and they're like, I'll

660
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: see Drake right and here'll be like this. We gotta

661
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: get one. It's like, when stop saying this to me

662
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: because I get together together down Let's just leave the party.

663
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: Let's just leave the party right down the studio to you.

664
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: What do you mean? Oh my god? He said it

665
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: like three times, so we have to do that every

666
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: time he says it. And every time he says that,

667
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: I get excited. That's baby said, we're gonna get one.

668
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: Light up, come on, man. Like a couple of calls,

669
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: what is your most meaningful album? Great most meaningful album? Wow,

670
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: they're all my babies, They're all my babies. Sex c

671
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: louth In Pain Sex Love in Pain is probably my

672
00:45:52,800 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: most meaningful album because, um, first I have been on

673
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: the bench, and then due to how much time had elapsed,

674
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: I've been written off m hm. So you know, I

675
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: kind of got forced into writing and producing for so

676
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 1: many people because I died off as an artist and

677
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: I needed to feed my kids. I'm saying I didn't

678
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 1: have any other choice. That wasn't the space I wanted

679
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 1: to be in, but the space I had to be in,

680
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: which ended up being a major blessing in disguise, right

681
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: m hmm. And when when we were getting ready to

682
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: put this album out a few things happened. You were

683
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: there for everything m hm. Shout out to my O

684
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: G Fats, who says, man, I got some guys. If

685
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: they're not gonna play us, I got some guys that

686
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: will get us in the game and put the money

687
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 1: behind us. It comes BMF. So Z, Me and Z

688
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 1: actually fly down to Miami with Fats to go to

689
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: one of the guy's birthday party and being Meth to

690
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: be introduced to be Math and so can you give

691
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: a year on this two thousand and five or yeah,

692
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: So we go down there and meet the guys and

693
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: they're like, here you with us. But even before that,

694
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: Harvey walks up to me and says, we should make

695
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: a Tank album, Like why would we do that? So

696
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: we just should, like what do we have to lose?

697
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: It was like remember I was like, man, they're not

698
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: really working with me right now, like you said, so what,

699
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: Let's just make some music. Like Hardy was just like that,

700
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: Let's just make music, man, just make music. Let's just

701
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: make music. Man so much, right, And so we just

702
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: started working on bits and pieces, you know, of an album.

703
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 1: And then incomes BMF and incomes BMF's money to fund

704
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 1: the whole thing, and and you know, and then comes

705
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: Barry Hankerson doubling back or around, like, hey, what's going

706
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: on over there with my artists? That's what's going on.

707
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,879
Speaker 1: We have this uh, you know, record to present. At

708
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,439
Speaker 1: the time, we were being distributed by Motown. And when

709
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: we turned when when Barry goes to play the Tank album,

710
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 1: were we got Tank ready? Coming up? Blind up to drop?

711
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: Someone says, why are we why are you? Why are

712
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: we working on another Tank album? And I had been

713
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: written off last album two thousand two, it's two thousand six.

714
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 1: You didn't get that kind of time back then, unless

715
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: you Janet Jackson. I wasn't Janet Jackson. Just be honest.

716
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: I was, UM, so this album with my heart and

717
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: soul like my real life, literally my real life. Like

718
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: I went to the studio one of the songs when

719
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: I first started working with the Underdogs, I went in

720
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,959
Speaker 1: as an artist to just get songs, and they wrote

721
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: a song called the Wedding Song. And they didn't know me.

722
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,919
Speaker 1: They didn't really know me at all. They didn't know

723
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: that they had just written a song about everything that

724
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: I had just left behind at my house. They had

725
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: written it and put it in a song. And I

726
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: sat there and I had to stop myself from breaking

727
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: down crying in front of these strangers, and I was like,

728
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: what made you all write that? They were like, we

729
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: were just feeling the vibe, you know what I'm saying.

730
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: Like I was like, this you were you don't even

731
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: understand what you just said and what you just did,

732
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: right and so, and then other pieces of the album.

733
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You know, we're about me,

734
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: and this one right here, Heartbreaker was not about me.

735
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: Z has made it clear Heartbreakers because everyone asked me

736
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: that all the time. Heartbreaker kind of because I was

737
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: there when you record me finished, because I didn't write

738
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 1: the whole song by myself, so the pieces that I

739
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: interject had a little bit to do with us, but

740
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: it was me, Eric and Tony that wrote all of

741
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: it together. So it was pieces of everybody's you know

742
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, but I hate you yeah yeah yeah,

743
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: and then you wrote our wedding song. So it's so

744
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 1: crazy because when the album came out, she called me.

745
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: She said, she said, well, Ship, I might as well

746
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:43,760
Speaker 1: be in the video off the time, no, no, nothing,

747
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: I got your sucking out. I might as well be

748
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 1: in all the videos you always point records, um, so

749
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:59,280
Speaker 1: I think sex off in Pain, and then just the

750
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: the influence of that album, like that album has spawned

751
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: so many other R and B singers, songwriters and producers

752
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: that I had no idea was listening. That's so many

753
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: people's favorite album. I had no idea that that many people,

754
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: you know, we're listening. I think the biggest one for

755
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: me was when when Chris Brown was like, bro be

756
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: my favorite, Like your vocals and all the si Cleving paint,

757
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: its like that's it, that's the Bible, Like that's what

758
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: I'm playing it right now. I go see Chris Brown

759
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: of the sold out tour, the arena sold out, and

760
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: I get on the bus and Secleving Paint is playing Yah,

761
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: We've been playing this all day. This is what I play.

762
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: I gotta get my get my focus right and get

763
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: and then I'm like yeah, and I'm looking at and

764
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: you know, a trade trade songs is like listen to that,

765
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,760
Speaker 1: to listen to that out for a whole summer, who

766
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: summer and after that summer he comes with invented Sex

767
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: and then say ah and goes to the stratosphere. You

768
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's those moments for me, Like

769
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 1: that album, Um, that album validated me in the musical

770
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,280
Speaker 1: universe in a in a way that I never imagined.

771
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: It validated me in a way that I've only looked

772
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 1: at people that I have. The way that I looked

773
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:18,399
Speaker 1: at baby Face, you know what I'm saying, The way

774
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: that I looked at Keil's, the way that I looked

775
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: at the Reverend John PIKEI the way that I looked

776
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 1: at Kimberly, Like I only saw people that way. I

777
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: never thought that people would see me that way, you know,

778
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: And so save pain did that? I mean other great

779
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: albums and moments after that, you know what I mean,

780
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: especially from White writing our wedding song together and um,

781
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: you know even like my stronger album, Stronger albums, the

782
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 1: stronger album. Would you talk about how my kids can

783
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: listen to that? Feting to end the only album with

784
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 1: the stronger album, I'm gonna make just hold some R

785
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: and B music listen, not take his sugar off for

786
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: the whole album he did. I'm gonna go back to

787
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: the basics. I'm gonna go get a lot strings, I'm

788
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: gonna button it up, suiting all. I'm gonna be tasteful Tank,

789
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be tasteful Tank. And it was everybody

790
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 1: was like, They're like, what is all the way to cud?

791
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 1: You really listen to the songs on that album? Well,

792
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 1: guess what I did in that that You're my star

793
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: song in the year my star video I danced, m

794
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:48,760
Speaker 1: oh I never paid attention to that correlation. Don't dance, Okay,

795
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: I'll do, I'll do. I'll do is my gift. And

796
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: they said no, no, no, But that one wasn't bad.

797
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: It doesn't, it doesn't. It's not saying it was bad.

798
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: It just doesn't work. And so, but what I was

799
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: saying about that album was that album was a combination

800
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 1: of a breakup and being broken down and rekindling and

801
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: being built back up. You see what I'm saying. Like

802
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,919
Speaker 1: that album was a crazy transition for me, going from

803
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 1: out of that into this, you know what I'm saying.

804
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: So Like the album had such sentimental value to me.

805
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: I wanted it to work so bad for that reason. Um,

806
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 1: but you know they you know, they wanted me to

807
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: get back to the titties. You know what, whatever, we

808
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: don't want to I'm happy right now. Guys. Okay, this

809
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: guy is singing, show, this guy is singing. I don't

810
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: get it. Show you can we talk about how I

811
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: always tell you that. I always told him because he's like, yeah,

812
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: I need dancers, I need singers, I need the lights,

813
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: I need this. I'm like, you don't need anything. And

814
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 1: I know he thinks I'm hating because I don't want

815
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 1: to neverside me. But I'm always saying, I said, it's

816
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: really rare that you see an R and B artist

817
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: this day and age that can carry an entire show,

818
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: carry an entire theater arena with him a piano, a mic,

819
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: and a light and he doesn't need ship. And I

820
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: say that to him all the time, like, I guess

821
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: it makes sense even when you say it, like when

822
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 1: you do you're dancing and it just doesn't work. Just

823
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 1: say it's terrible. No, I'm not even like. The way

824
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 1: that he carries an audience on stage is ridiculous. It's

825
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: I I love it. I'm so amazed by it. I

826
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:51,399
Speaker 1: do appreciate it. And it's like I see that, right,

827
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: I get it. But but when I go to like

828
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: a Justin timber Lake shows, give it a little show.

829
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: I mean, when I go to Chris Brown show, I

830
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:06,760
Speaker 1: know I can't do that's but some of the polished

831
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: things that I see, you know, Russia and j T do,

832
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, I could do something like that. I could

833
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:18,919
Speaker 1: do some of that hand I could say my little

834
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: four square feel like And so I get I get

835
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 1: so enamorous, and I'm such a fan of artists that

836
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 1: do it that I'll just be wanting the piece of it,

837
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 1: not a whole. You know, I should be wanting a

838
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: piece of it. But you on stage is so amazing.

839
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 1: You at the piano, you in your personality, you in

840
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: your comedy because he has a comedy section into his

841
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: show as well, and it's like people are like, Damn,

842
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: I didn't know Tanke was funny like that, Like a

843
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: lot of people don't realize how funny he really is.

844
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 1: In my conversations with people, because I happen to know

845
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: a lot of people always say I bring I probably

846
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: bring your name up so many times your ears have

847
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: to ring because I always tell people one of them

848
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: that's not fun one of the funniest people I know,

849
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:23,439
Speaker 1: because she said, that's why I love you, baby say,

850
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: but I always say, take is literally one of the

851
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: funniest people I know in the world. Like if we're

852
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: hitting top, like, he's so funny. And that's something I

853
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: always try to say in conversations when anything comes up,

854
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: artist wise, music wise, if you come up, because I

855
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: feel like it's something that people really should know about him.

856
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: It's not like it's just like that's your person, now,

857
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:57,439
Speaker 1: really who you are. It took a minute. It took

858
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: a minute for me to be comfortable you know with

859
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: the goofball is your friends and family now, yeah, my

860
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: friends and family know, but it took a minute for

861
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: me to be comfortable with just being that, you know,

862
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: just on stage what I'm saying, and it took from

863
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: it took being around Jamie Fox and learning how to

864
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: how to deliver it, you know what I'm saying, Understanding

865
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: the timing of it, you know what I'm saying, to

866
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: really be able to put it together, like being that

867
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: time with him, you know, being his understudy and just

868
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: watching like, oh that's how you Okay, Okay, okay. I

869
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 1: mean he's a master at it, you know what I'm saying.

870
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: But I was able to just grab pieces from him

871
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 1: that I knew I could take and incorporate into my space.

872
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 1: Would you we've seen you act well, of course, I've

873
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: seen you sing, We've seen you dance even against We've

874
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: seen you have really great comedy show moments in your show.

875
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: What do you say to Peep that act as if

876
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 1: you can only have one talent as a person, Like

877
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 1: you're really a quadruple threat person organically and those are

878
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: your real talents. It's we're in a day in the

879
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 1: age where you better have more than one talent. You

880
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: better like you better be able to diversify that portfolio.

881
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: Because my saving grace quietly instagram mm hmmm. Because outside

882
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 1: of my music, nobody knew me. Sure, so me being

883
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 1: able to like show my many talents, display my personality,

884
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 1: show my drip. That's a skill. Oh my god, it's again.

885
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 1: Yeah it's expensive too. That it is okay, SIPs, it

886
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:56,919
Speaker 1: is um. But being able to put all of these

887
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: gifts on display is I think the thing that change.

888
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 1: Of course people's perception about me, but more so their

889
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: understanding and and they could figure out what part of

890
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 1: me they wanted to buy into right now. You you

891
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 1: give people options in terms of how they want to celebrate.

892
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, his music is cool,

893
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: but his jokes he's hysterical. You know what I'm saying. Uh,

894
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: it's not really that funny. I don't really like his music,

895
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 1: but man, he'd be ragging when he put that ship on.

896
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: He put that ship on, you know what I'm saying.

897
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: Or you know, I don't really like what I'm saying.

898
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: But when he was Gerald bust me in the new edition,

899
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: he was killing that. Like and so the more you have,

900
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: I think, the less people you lose. You're got I'm

901
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 1: gonna get you with something. I'm gonna something. I'm gonna

902
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: get you with something, You're gonna like me for something,

903
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: And so I think that, you know, people should not

904
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: be afraid two to venture out and and grow and

905
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: develop all of your talents, all of your gifts. Like

906
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: there's no one way anymore, there are no rules. We

907
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 1: are in the We are in the wild wild West.

908
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 1: In terms of being able to monetize anything. People are

909
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 1: monetizing everything. Yeah, selling everything. There are an exhausted on

910
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: Oh my god. No, seriously, there are at least a

911
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: hundred thousand people that will buy anything, the billions of

912
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: people in the world. Some things you shouldn't sail because

913
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: some things are hey, hey, guess what, there's there's a

914
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 1: people want to buy that. There's a black market for everything.

915
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 1: Which one do you actually want to pursue more invest

916
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 1: than most of your time into is it? Would it

917
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: be comedy or would it be acting? Acting? For sure,

918
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: comedy stand up helps me, helps me up, stand up

919
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 1: me perfect my time when I'm in front of the

920
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 1: camera acting interesting because as much as I want to,

921
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 1: I want to save the world and shoot him up

922
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: and be like not the rock, but like maybe the pebble.

923
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. No, No, um, I know

924
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: I'm in the audience. Horrible game? Did he laughs? She

925
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 1: laughs at everything everything. She's your friend. She believes in

926
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 1: you acting for sure, because I feel like at some

927
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 1: point I'm gonna end up like in the romantic comedy space,

928
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 1: you know, That's that's where I want to. I do

929
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 1: want to be a superhero, but I think he could be.

930
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 1: I think even within me being a superhero, I still

931
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:04,439
Speaker 1: be fun and funny. Yeah, ship the superheroes nowadays they're

932
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: hysterical ones. They are funny. Now. I love Ryan Reynolds,

933
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: I love armand so I'm a rom com fanatic like that.

934
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: I'm choosing that over everything. Kano. I want to ask

935
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 1: about Okay, most artists, thank you, tz that can actually

936
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: really sing. I won't say most, but a lot of them.

937
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:34,919
Speaker 1: A large number of them came from church. You as well, Yes,

938
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 1: what do you think it is about that? Almost training? Really?

939
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 1: You know, like even musicians right certain way, your greatest

940
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 1: keys player or drummer, bass player, now as that aston

941
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 1: they came from the church. What what is it about that?

942
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I love the Lord, so I know, but

943
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 1: what is it about that that I think makes some

944
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 1: of the greatest vocalists and musicians. I think I think

945
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 1: in I want to go too deep, but I think

946
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 1: in God's presence is the ultimate place to train. Catching

947
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 1: her that's Champagne, that Baptist came with your first I

948
01:04:50,600 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 1: was catching it right. I think that's actually would uh

949
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 1: that that is that is the ultimate training grounds, in

950
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 1: the presence of God and and having UM having the

951
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 1: Spirit guide you, UM, having the Spirit help teach you,

952
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 1: and and and groom you. And you know that that

953
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 1: is the connection of the church, you know what I mean?

954
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 1: Like those critiques in the church are different UM and

955
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 1: and and I think ultimately in the church, what they

956
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: want you to have is a connection to what you're doing,

957
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 1: to not just be doing it, but to actually have

958
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 1: a reason, you know what I mean, to actually have

959
01:05:54,120 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 1: UM have conviction for too for to live in you

960
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 1: before it comes out of you. You know what I'm saying.

961
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 1: And there's no other place to get that except in

962
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 1: the presence. What do you feel like this new generation

963
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 1: is going to do? Because I feel like they're not

964
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 1: in the church. Well, there are some, but nowhere near

965
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 1: like ours back and nowhere we're not. We're not. I

966
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 1: won't say we, but I would say there used to

967
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 1: be approaching m You know what I'm saying in terms

968
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 1: of the church, like and ours will go to church,

969
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: Like my guys found me in church. Really yeah, I

970
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 1: was at church when the guys came and got me. Hey,

971
01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 1: you got it? What's happening? You want to sing? I

972
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 1: said no. For the longest, I only sing. I can't

973
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 1: do second. I only sing. Look at you now whatever?

974
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 1: Um Like back in back in like tenth grade, Virgin

975
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 1: of Records came came to get our group. It was like, listen,

976
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 1: you guys would be amazing. Um, you guys can sing.

977
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 1: You know, you guys can sing good music. You know

978
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 1: what I mean. And if you wanted to sing about Jesus,

979
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 1: it could be like pronoun gospel like you know, you

980
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 1: could sing and have to have the message. But you know,

981
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 1: and and you know, we have tours lined up with

982
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 1: Janet Jackson and all of them. They were just like

983
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 1: they were laying on like we we want you guys,

984
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 1: and we were like if we can't say the name

985
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 1: of Jesus, yes, there is no place for us. And

986
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:48,919
Speaker 1: I was like when I look back on that time,

987
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 1: but I look back, um, roller you know was what

988
01:07:54,440 --> 01:08:00,919
Speaker 1: it was? You know, what I'm saying, like that wonderful name. Um.

989
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 1: And so you know, I think that I think that

990
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 1: a lot of people have just stopped looking in that

991
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:16,720
Speaker 1: place for for this thing, because this thing isn't mainstream,

992
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 1: isn't anymore, It isn't pop culture, So they're not looking

993
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 1: for that. What's pop culture now is the streets. What's

994
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 1: coming off the streets on that conveyor belt. That's where

995
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 1: we go look for our next whatever. We go looking

996
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:36,760
Speaker 1: in the streets. But they used to go looking in

997
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:38,679
Speaker 1: the church. How else do you get to read the Franklin?

998
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 1: How else do you get to read the Franklin? Got

999
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,679
Speaker 1: to go to the church to get a Ready she's

1000
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:53,719
Speaker 1: not reading. Don't you gotta go? You gotta go down

1001
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 1: down by Read's house. Yeah, you do, on that corner,

1002
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:03,679
Speaker 1: that's right. And so I think can talk to her parents.

1003
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:08,080
Speaker 1: I think they're there. I think they are there. Um.

1004
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 1: Um two Sean who produces father, it's a church kid.

1005
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 1: You can hear it when he produces, you can hear

1006
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 1: it when he sings. It's a church kid. What I'm saying, like,

1007
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 1: without a doubt, So they're there. Um, it's just gonna

1008
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 1: take the people who know where it is and know

1009
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:31,720
Speaker 1: what to do with it to go get it like

1010
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 1: you there it is acting? What is the difference on

1011
01:09:56,800 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 1: stage right saying and then on set portraying whatever this role?

1012
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:17,599
Speaker 1: Maybe the difference is like on stage, I'm I'm Tank,

1013
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 1: like that nuances completely developed already. A song may be new,

1014
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 1: but it's still a Tank song, right, um. Or when

1015
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 1: they come to see me perform, they come to see

1016
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:41,639
Speaker 1: Tank perform. Um. When people come to see me act

1017
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 1: or turn onto television, they expect to see Tank, but

1018
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 1: they don't HM, and I have to be able to

1019
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 1: give them the character that they came to see. Right,

1020
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 1: Let's say the title is I don't know, uh, save

1021
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 1: in the Hood. Say let's save the Hood, right the

1022
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:30,720
Speaker 1: pebble featuring the pebble, all right, whatever? And I, um,

1023
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 1: they don't want to see They don't want to see

1024
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 1: Tank the singer save the Hood. They want to see

1025
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 1: this character, for lack of a better title, action Jackson

1026
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 1: save the Hood. And so I didn't have to find

1027
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 1: the natural spaces within me that I can dedicate completely

1028
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:02,599
Speaker 1: to that character and not go off into these other

1029
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 1: spaces like I can't save the Hood and be yeah,

1030
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, like, right, that's Tank. I

1031
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:14,679
Speaker 1: can't do that, right, you know what I'm saying. I can't.

1032
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 1: I can't, Like there's certain things that I can do

1033
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:20,799
Speaker 1: is Tank, that don't work for the action Jackson character.

1034
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying when I'm doing the interview.

1035
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, when I'm doing my interviews,

1036
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 1: it's Tank. I have to be personal, gotta be fun,

1037
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:30,600
Speaker 1: it's gotta be like, yeah, it take this cracking the

1038
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 1: jokes when I'm actually Jackson. I'm saving the hood. I

1039
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:34,639
Speaker 1: have a real concern for the people on my street.

1040
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 1: How are you going to help us? Or do we

1041
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 1: need to help ourselves? Look at you know what I'm saying.

1042
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:56,440
Speaker 1: Three So it's like it's still me, but it's dedicated

1043
01:12:56,520 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 1: nuances to that character. It's not everything that you've seen

1044
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 1: me do it before. It's not all of time. It's

1045
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 1: just it's linear. It's one piece right here. This These

1046
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 1: are the pieces from me that create that character, that

1047
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:15,599
Speaker 1: connect with that character. We're only using these pieces right here.

1048
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 1: That's why I can't do it. You can do it.

1049
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 1: So he wants to do it, she should come out.

1050
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:29,720
Speaker 1: She's too damn funny. Did you hear you're funny? You

1051
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 1: are funny. I laughed at you all the time. She

1052
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 1: has she's ridiculous. I have great comedic timing. You do,

1053
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:38,600
Speaker 1: but you do have to do it in front of

1054
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:40,760
Speaker 1: the camera. I have a camera right here. I'm good.

1055
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 1: It's not the same. Okays, no action on it. Last looks,

1056
01:13:47,520 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 1: the last looks, make it last look all times. I

1057
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 1: can't remember ship. I need giant side side giants and

1058
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 1: let see what this? Okay, I got it? Okay, like

1059
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:22,599
Speaker 1: just cut? What do you want people to know about

1060
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 1: you that you don't think they know? But I don't

1061
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 1: think they know? What are you wantesome? People don't know

1062
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:40,080
Speaker 1: about you? I don't think that you think you lay

1063
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 1: it all out there, and I don't want to. I don't.

1064
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 1: I don't want this to sound, you know, come off,

1065
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 1: come off weird, but I don't. I don't necessarily care

1066
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 1: what they do or don't know about me, do know

1067
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 1: or don't know about me. What I would like to

1068
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 1: feel like is or what I would like to know

1069
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:11,720
Speaker 1: about myself is that I've done my best, and to

1070
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:14,880
Speaker 1: some people that's going to be amazing. To some people

1071
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 1: that's not going to be enough. If I get caught

1072
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 1: up in either, I'll lose. Wow. So I don't. I

1073
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 1: don't have an expectation of what I want people to

1074
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 1: expect or to understand or to even believe it. I

1075
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:38,599
Speaker 1: just I just want to do my best and and

1076
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 1: live with whatever the results are. Like that's that's true

1077
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:45,720
Speaker 1: happiness for me. Like I laid it all out there,

1078
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 1: I went crazy, you know what I'm saying. Like I said,

1079
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:51,240
Speaker 1: it's always gonna be somebody in the comments, like somebody was,

1080
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:56,240
Speaker 1: somebody said, somebody says something about you're a true king

1081
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 1: or something like that, and then somebody win the comments

1082
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:02,600
Speaker 1: that you ain't no king, you ain't never been no kings.

1083
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 1: But you know what, though we could say hayting, but

1084
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:13,880
Speaker 1: to that person, I'm not their king to that person,

1085
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:18,280
Speaker 1: I'm not that sexy to them. I'm not handsome to them.

1086
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. My body all built up

1087
01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:23,760
Speaker 1: with all of these muscles. They don't like that I

1088
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 1: do so for you, it's really all for you. So

1089
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 1: so so I don't you know, I'm staying. But you

1090
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 1: can't get caught up. You can't get caught up into that,

1091
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 1: you know. I give, I give very eloquent answers in interviews.

1092
01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 1: I want to be known as the hardest working man

1093
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:02,679
Speaker 1: in R and B music. Um, but most people aren't

1094
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 1: even going to see that. It's like he worked how

1095
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 1: he worked cool, He ain't worked hard. I have no idea,

1096
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 1: And so you you can't expect them to know, you

1097
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 1: can't expect them to really really following your journey. Yeah,

1098
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:20,280
Speaker 1: I mean, and are close up. They still don't even know,

1099
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:24,680
Speaker 1: like still don't even see you know. But for me,

1100
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 1: it's this close, like because because the honesty that I

1101
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 1: have in this room governs everything. So if anybody in

1102
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 1: this room comes to me and says, hey, that ain't it, Yeah,

1103
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:39,679
Speaker 1: it's not okay, you know what what I'm saying, Or somebody

1104
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 1: in this room comes to me and says more of that, Okay, okay,

1105
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 1: this is the bar for me, you know what I'm saying. Like,

1106
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 1: my my circle is our circle is of the people

1107
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 1: that really care about us. And really it's small, it's trusted,

1108
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 1: it's trusted, and that's where I live. That's where I

1109
01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 1: get my love. Like if my party, if my party

1110
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:09,920
Speaker 1: got it's just really it's what I don't know. I mean,

1111
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 1: if if if I'm your king cool. If I'm not cool,

1112
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 1: I'm a king somewhere right right here. So if you

1113
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:26,720
Speaker 1: didn't actually leave the church to go to the R

1114
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:34,200
Speaker 1: and B world, she left, did I believe trying to

1115
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:43,640
Speaker 1: say put a backpack home? He left. He left for

1116
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:48,639
Speaker 1: the bag so he could send it back home. Where

1117
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:50,839
Speaker 1: do you think that you would see yourself? Like? What

1118
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 1: what were you into doing? What was your hobbies? What

1119
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 1: did you ever see yourself doing besides me fota player? Wow? Sure?

1120
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 1: So you be an athlete? Athlete? I mean, did you

1121
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:08,880
Speaker 1: ever get paid doing anything athletic? You've got the church.

1122
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:12,600
Speaker 1: I'm just asking. I was a teenager when when this

1123
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:17,280
Speaker 1: all happened a profession? Did you get a check? You

1124
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 1: get a check? No? I never got to that point. Um.

1125
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:25,960
Speaker 1: But you know when I when I my first time

1126
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:28,640
Speaker 1: duncan in eighth grade, you couldn't tell me nothing. I

1127
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 1: was gonna be a star. I could bounce like a run, fast,

1128
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 1: touchdowns all that. Um, So I thought that that was

1129
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:39,800
Speaker 1: my path and church kind of got in the way

1130
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:41,720
Speaker 1: of that, you know, got in the way of me

1131
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 1: pursuing a lot of that because it was always acquired

1132
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 1: with her. So it's always grew up with her. So

1133
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:48,879
Speaker 1: it was always a church, got something to do on Saturday.

1134
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:53,680
Speaker 1: So I couldn't really dedicate myself to sports like I

1135
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:59,520
Speaker 1: wanted to, but I was. I was still really good. Um,

1136
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 1: but I you know, music has always had a way

1137
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 1: of just kind of like tapping me on the shoulder

1138
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 1: every now and then, like I don't know, why are

1139
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:11,960
Speaker 1: you trying to do all that? You know what I'm saying,

1140
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:14,559
Speaker 1: like this is that right here, you're gonna be with me.

1141
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:17,439
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to you know, like a ninth grade

1142
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:19,560
Speaker 1: when the girls started screaming at that assembly, when I

1143
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:23,439
Speaker 1: started singing, It's always been simply come on in a

1144
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 1: multi purpose room. So you know that's sent that center

1145
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 1: rushed through my body that I've never had before in

1146
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:38,479
Speaker 1: my life. And so there were always moments even in

1147
01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 1: the football field on the huddle, I'm singing in the

1148
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 1: huddle like Babs, come on, man, be serious. I'm like,

1149
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:50,880
Speaker 1: I can be serious if you give me the ball.

1150
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:56,720
Speaker 1: Touch y'all. Like I was that guy. So you know,

1151
01:20:57,120 --> 01:20:58,720
Speaker 1: it just always had a way and let me know.

1152
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:00,200
Speaker 1: And then when I went to when I was going

1153
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:04,960
Speaker 1: to college, offers the Scholarship School of Schools I didn't

1154
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:07,280
Speaker 1: want to go to partial scholarships to the schools. I

1155
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 1: did want to go to UM and ended up getting

1156
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 1: a full scholarship to Morgan State from music. All right,

1157
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 1: maybe I'll take my full scholarship and then play football

1158
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 1: on my music scholarship. And they were like, exactly, we

1159
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 1: need you. We're gonna need your main do these you know,

1160
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:37,160
Speaker 1: do these class um. And so music has always had

1161
01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:40,720
Speaker 1: a way of reminding me like, I hear you, but

1162
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:43,680
Speaker 1: this is where you're supposed to be. And so it

1163
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:45,639
Speaker 1: was always meant to be. It's always meant to be.

1164
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:48,280
Speaker 1: That's I'm athlete to this day. You know that I

1165
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:51,320
Speaker 1: worked out twice a day. Um. But that's just you know,

1166
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 1: that's my nature. That's the competitive nature of me. That's

1167
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:57,679
Speaker 1: just always going to be there. But music is Music

1168
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:02,160
Speaker 1: has always given me no choice. Wow, instruments, I think

1169
01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:09,599
Speaker 1: that what has to be really celebrated are musicians. He's

1170
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:12,599
Speaker 1: a true musician, that's my point. But you don't even

1171
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 1: know he really plays drums here go here in live

1172
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:19,960
Speaker 1: My whole point because again, my conversations outside you know,

1173
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 1: with so many people, and no, he's not it's an artist.

1174
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 1: There's artists shout out to the artists, and then there's

1175
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 1: true musicians, you know, and that's what you are. And

1176
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 1: I think your your humility and it kind of probably

1177
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:37,800
Speaker 1: speaks to your true passionate love for it because you

1178
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:41,439
Speaker 1: don't say like even people telling me, oh, we didn't

1179
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 1: know that take play the piano, you know when you

1180
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:45,840
Speaker 1: started going live and doing the piano on Instagram a

1181
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 1: lot more during COVID and stuff like that. Just people

1182
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:49,600
Speaker 1: that are like fans and stuff like that. I'm like,

1183
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 1: of course he plays producers. He let me give you

1184
01:22:54,840 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 1: a bar, give you a bar. Wait on that. I'm

1185
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 1: shout out to puff brother loves as I like to

1186
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 1: call them. Um. I went to his house other day.

1187
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 1: He said, he said, we're going to Jim Bean's house

1188
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 1: and said, what okay, okay, roll with me, roll roll

1189
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:24,160
Speaker 1: with me. Playboy and heavy room h um. Just you

1190
01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:26,519
Speaker 1: like you walk in this room and you're like, what

1191
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:36,080
Speaker 1: is this? What is in there? Playing vinyl? I think

1192
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 1: vinyl um? Heaveryone. Shout out to my brother Larry Jackson,

1193
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:51,000
Speaker 1: m amazing brother and sitting there man by the name

1194
01:23:51,840 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 1: Dr dre mm hmm, my goodness, my goodness. And I've

1195
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:02,800
Speaker 1: I've met Dre a couple of times, but we've never

1196
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:06,760
Speaker 1: actually really been able to have an exchange. And so

1197
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 1: you know, at some point, you know, during this whole

1198
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 1: room thing that's happening, he's like he's like, he's like, man,

1199
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:17,040
Speaker 1: you know, we just you know, we always meet and passing, man,

1200
01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:18,760
Speaker 1: but we've never ever forgotten a chance to you know,

1201
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:21,680
Speaker 1: really like tap in. And like he says, I was like, yeah, man,

1202
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I loved him and so

1203
01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 1: and so I'm just sitting next to them. We're just

1204
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:32,080
Speaker 1: talking about the records that are playing and talking about

1205
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:34,960
Speaker 1: the instrumentation, and I'm watching, like I'm watching Dre as

1206
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 1: he's listening because Dre hears everything like and so I

1207
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:41,559
Speaker 1: just when I'm watching him while he listens and like, yeah, yeah,

1208
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:45,800
Speaker 1: just his energy right, and he's like, uh, he's like

1209
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:48,760
Speaker 1: so thank you know, like like he's like, do you right,

1210
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:52,720
Speaker 1: I said? I said? I said? I said. I said everything, sir,

1211
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 1: I do. I said, I do everything. He said, he's okay,

1212
01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 1: you play any instruments, I said, Dre, I do everything.

1213
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:09,320
Speaker 1: He said, Come here. We get up that. We walked

1214
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 1: out the room and we go to a piano and

1215
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 1: he starts playing. You know what I'm saying. I'm like, okay,

1216
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 1: he said, let me see something like well, he like,

1217
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:36,639
Speaker 1: oh you, so he started playing something else. He started

1218
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:38,960
Speaker 1: playing something else, he said, he said. I said, oh

1219
01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:41,000
Speaker 1: I see what you're going with that. You're gonna here

1220
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 1: my phone listen. She said, oh you that? Oh you

1221
01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 1: like that? Okay? Yeah, yeah, we need to get out.

1222
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:59,120
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. He's like, and you probably you you you

1223
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:01,719
Speaker 1: you need to see my you need to see my musician.

1224
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 1: I said, I promise you that your musicians are probably

1225
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 1: might right soon we get there. I got bluetooth box

1226
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:13,800
Speaker 1: and I say, I'm trying to you. And but it

1227
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:16,720
Speaker 1: goes back to what you were saying where a lot

1228
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:22,720
Speaker 1: of people don't really know that I do it. Oh

1229
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:29,200
Speaker 1: and so you know having Dre dr Dre like recognize

1230
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:33,160
Speaker 1: it and say that's that's a kid that's different, and like,

1231
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, I'm brand new and there's

1232
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:38,040
Speaker 1: a forty six year old man. I'm like this man

1233
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:47,160
Speaker 1: like playing already the producer bible for a lot of producers.

1234
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:53,639
Speaker 1: His drums for sure, but his body, he's a He's

1235
01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 1: made the call to some of the called his bodies

1236
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:58,000
Speaker 1: of work all times, and so I'm sitting in the studio,

1237
01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 1: you know Withdre and Puff like, I'm sitting here and

1238
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:10,599
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I'm in the business, and yeah I've

1239
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 1: been successful at it. But there are levels. I understand

1240
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 1: those levels, and so when I'm sitting in the room

1241
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:24,679
Speaker 1: with those levels, I am paying attention. I am taking

1242
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 1: notes because I am trying to get to that level

1243
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:34,400
Speaker 1: and and making myself available as a musician or as

1244
01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 1: a songwriter, or as a background singer or whatever is

1245
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:41,640
Speaker 1: needed in the moment you saying you speak about humility.

1246
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:46,200
Speaker 1: I love music. Whatever you need me today, let's get it, Okay,

1247
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 1: what it is? You just need me to clap? He

1248
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:52,920
Speaker 1: came home. So I'm sorry that night that he came

1249
01:27:52,960 --> 01:28:03,559
Speaker 1: home so inspired school and another thank you Dr Drep.

1250
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:08,280
Speaker 1: But like the inspiration you can't pay for, you can't

1251
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:11,960
Speaker 1: muster up, you can't find it that you just like

1252
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:15,400
Speaker 1: you gotta imagine, you know, a Puff saying, listen to

1253
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:18,840
Speaker 1: this and playing music looking at you like, or Dr

1254
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:21,439
Speaker 1: Dre Son listen to this and like looking at you

1255
01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:26,080
Speaker 1: like and like like getting your take on it, like

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01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:28,519
Speaker 1: like you're gonna say anything other than it's amazing because

1257
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:32,719
Speaker 1: it's absolutely amazing. You know, like I said, your levels

1258
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:39,120
Speaker 1: and and and growing and still wanting to grow to

1259
01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:44,360
Speaker 1: be preferently be on that level. Like these guys are guys,

1260
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:51,599
Speaker 1: These guys are five million dollar plus guys. Huh yeah,

1261
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 1: I need I need to be around them. Here I am,

1262
01:28:54,120 --> 01:28:59,320
Speaker 1: which look like yeah. So you know, it's more of

1263
01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:02,160
Speaker 1: that discover read that I think is a great word.

1264
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:04,840
Speaker 1: It's more of that discovery that you know, as I

1265
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:08,120
Speaker 1: move into these other spaces and I'm able to rub

1266
01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 1: those kind of elbows and things that I think more

1267
01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:14,040
Speaker 1: people will be exposed to. Oh we can, we can

1268
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:28,880
Speaker 1: take him for that can tank for everything outside of

1269
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 1: pianos your favorite instrument to play because people now know

1270
01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:33,519
Speaker 1: you play the piano, but that's not the only instrument

1271
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:38,000
Speaker 1: you play. Drums is my is my favorite to play. Yeah,

1272
01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:39,960
Speaker 1: I'm not as good. I'm not as good at playing

1273
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:42,680
Speaker 1: drums as I am at playing piano, only because you know,

1274
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:46,040
Speaker 1: I don't play drums as much. Yeah, when I was younger,

1275
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:50,639
Speaker 1: it was drums first in piano. But you know, girls

1276
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:53,679
Speaker 1: didn't really they didn't really move when I played the drums.

1277
01:29:56,680 --> 01:29:58,720
Speaker 1: It's always girls, you know what I'm saying when I

1278
01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:02,400
Speaker 1: played that piano first, you girls are sitting up on

1279
01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:09,120
Speaker 1: that piano like sing that one part again, Like you know,

1280
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:11,559
Speaker 1: say the girls can gather around the piano and drums

1281
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:15,840
Speaker 1: just too loud. Don't say the girls could gather around.

1282
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:19,720
Speaker 1: You hit the second girl that one too. We don't

1283
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:22,120
Speaker 1: hit that thing the game. That was too loud. They

1284
01:30:22,120 --> 01:30:24,320
Speaker 1: think at the bottom, that's too much. Right. The organ

1285
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:28,920
Speaker 1: did get you know, I was just gonna the organs

1286
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:35,360
Speaker 1: only gets you the real church girl, the deaconess. The

1287
01:30:35,479 --> 01:30:38,240
Speaker 1: organ to get you the deaconess. You're telling about your

1288
01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:42,040
Speaker 1: experience in what the deaconess? No, No, when I went

1289
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:46,280
Speaker 1: to Rome and what was which the Michael Angelo Church,

1290
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:48,720
Speaker 1: the Michael Angelo Church. And then let me play the

1291
01:30:49,439 --> 01:30:56,080
Speaker 1: pipe organ? What yeah? Video that let me play the

1292
01:30:56,120 --> 01:30:59,599
Speaker 1: pipe and it was like cloned down, locked up, you're

1293
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:03,120
Speaker 1: the only one in there because that cadence is that

1294
01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:05,880
Speaker 1: it's it's a different movement that it took me a

1295
01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:10,519
Speaker 1: second to collect and in different notations. It was different.

1296
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:12,120
Speaker 1: I had to It took me a second to like

1297
01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, you can't do that, you gotta

1298
01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:19,400
Speaker 1: do this like this, and then dude that you got it. God.

1299
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:21,519
Speaker 1: But it was like it was like amazing and to

1300
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:26,599
Speaker 1: hear it in it was a spiritual Yeah, I was

1301
01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:31,320
Speaker 1: like it was crazy. So yeah, Organ really it gets you.

1302
01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:39,439
Speaker 1: You know how many people can say that not a lot,

1303
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:51,599
Speaker 1: not ze arm By Money the label. Look at first

1304
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:55,800
Speaker 1: of all, how you came up with arm By Money.

1305
01:31:56,680 --> 01:31:58,599
Speaker 1: We know what I'm saying. What made you just say

1306
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:01,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call my label Army Money Because I kept

1307
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:11,160
Speaker 1: watching young money, cash money, everything, like everything that's that

1308
01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:15,600
Speaker 1: was being successful at the time, it was all predicated

1309
01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:20,080
Speaker 1: on money. Everything that everybody was doing at the time

1310
01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:24,280
Speaker 1: was flashing their money, trying to put their they drip

1311
01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:27,240
Speaker 1: on to show you that they got money. And you know,

1312
01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:29,400
Speaker 1: in the club, popping all the bottles they can pop

1313
01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:32,600
Speaker 1: to let you know they got money, pulling up in

1314
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:35,719
Speaker 1: the craziest whips so let you know they got money.

1315
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:42,000
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Everybody's trying to figure out how to make

1316
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:45,360
Speaker 1: money and they only want to be associated with things

1317
01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:50,600
Speaker 1: that they feel like are making money. Yeah, what is

1318
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:53,519
Speaker 1: the call out to let people know that R and

1319
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:59,600
Speaker 1: B music makes money? Oh? R and B money. It

1320
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:03,599
Speaker 1: wasn't con times. It was as simple as that. I

1321
01:33:03,640 --> 01:33:07,600
Speaker 1: want people to associate R and B music with making money,

1322
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:12,200
Speaker 1: R and B money, And it wasn't a selfish ploy.

1323
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:14,720
Speaker 1: It wasn't like I'm the only one who's made R

1324
01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:18,000
Speaker 1: and B money. These R and B money hats are

1325
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:22,040
Speaker 1: gonna go on so many different people's heads who you know,

1326
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:24,200
Speaker 1: so many established artists came to send we want them.

1327
01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:29,360
Speaker 1: R and B money has no like. It's that movement

1328
01:33:29,680 --> 01:33:32,799
Speaker 1: with being able to once we get this merch together,

1329
01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:37,639
Speaker 1: give this merch out to those who are in the

1330
01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:44,560
Speaker 1: R and B money fraternity, fraternity and sorority, like we're

1331
01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:48,040
Speaker 1: we are a unit that makes R and B money,

1332
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:50,479
Speaker 1: that makes R and B look good, that makes R

1333
01:33:50,479 --> 01:33:53,519
Speaker 1: and B feel good, makes RB smell good. We keep

1334
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:56,559
Speaker 1: R and B expensive. You know what I'm saying, you're

1335
01:33:56,640 --> 01:34:02,040
Speaker 1: very expensive. What do you mean he's more expected than me?

1336
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:05,640
Speaker 1: I'm not. Yes, you are not, Yes, you are. You

1337
01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:09,200
Speaker 1: get your ring and look at my ring. That's because

1338
01:34:09,200 --> 01:34:14,040
Speaker 1: I bought that and you bought it. Your ring calls

1339
01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:21,400
Speaker 1: more than this and this beautiful rings. You know when

1340
01:34:21,439 --> 01:34:29,320
Speaker 1: we get robbed playing with these people, but you know,

1341
01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:34,920
Speaker 1: it's it's that association. And so while these kids are

1342
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:38,800
Speaker 1: enamored with the idea of being able to make money.

1343
01:34:39,240 --> 01:34:42,080
Speaker 1: That's the call out, that's the flag. And then once

1344
01:34:42,120 --> 01:34:44,800
Speaker 1: we get you in the building, we can teach you

1345
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:48,519
Speaker 1: how to do that properly. There's an education that goes

1346
01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:52,960
Speaker 1: along with R and B money. It's not just we're

1347
01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:55,880
Speaker 1: gonna make some money. No HARMBI money is to teach

1348
01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:59,960
Speaker 1: their artists the financial literacy class because these kids got

1349
01:35:00,120 --> 01:35:02,160
Speaker 1: no no, they know they have to they have to

1350
01:35:02,200 --> 01:35:04,320
Speaker 1: know there has to. I mean we were talking with

1351
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:06,840
Speaker 1: Tiffany fred and just about all of those things and

1352
01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:12,679
Speaker 1: all of those um teachable moments that that should be

1353
01:35:13,720 --> 01:35:18,479
Speaker 1: in a sense, if not required, at least offered. Like

1354
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:21,160
Speaker 1: if it's not required as a part of your deal,

1355
01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:25,280
Speaker 1: it should at least be a space within your infrastructure

1356
01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:29,760
Speaker 1: where you can go to this class. You can go

1357
01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:32,400
Speaker 1: learn this and you can ask these questions and you

1358
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:36,040
Speaker 1: can get the game. Um, because somebody has to know it,

1359
01:35:36,680 --> 01:35:39,560
Speaker 1: either somebody you trust on your team, you know what

1360
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:42,519
Speaker 1: I'm saying, or you that they can you know, relay

1361
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:45,360
Speaker 1: this information to you. Like sometimes creative creatives don't want

1362
01:35:45,400 --> 01:35:48,040
Speaker 1: to be bogged down with the business of it all

1363
01:35:48,080 --> 01:35:56,040
Speaker 1: because it is stressful, like to try and you know, um,

1364
01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:59,280
Speaker 1: brain fatigue is a real thing where you're trying to

1365
01:35:59,800 --> 01:36:02,720
Speaker 1: do it through contracts and negotiating then go to the

1366
01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:06,040
Speaker 1: studio and try to make a hit record. Like that's

1367
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:08,920
Speaker 1: a lot, you know what I mean. But the information

1368
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:13,960
Speaker 1: has to be uh made more available, you know what

1369
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:15,800
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I think for for artists, and you know,

1370
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:19,000
Speaker 1: we are definitely a part of wanting to offer that

1371
01:36:19,439 --> 01:36:24,280
Speaker 1: so that you know how to manage and information. I

1372
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:28,679
Speaker 1: love that too. I love that too. I think it's important,

1373
01:36:28,760 --> 01:36:32,160
Speaker 1: especially kids that make it in music. Um A lot

1374
01:36:32,200 --> 01:36:36,519
Speaker 1: of times there from places that you know, whether it's

1375
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:39,559
Speaker 1: from inner city neighborhoods and things like that, and those

1376
01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:45,519
Speaker 1: things weren't taught, you know, even for me, that wasn't taught.

1377
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:48,559
Speaker 1: How money was taught. Not managing money was talking keeping

1378
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:52,160
Speaker 1: it learned by default. And also I think in black

1379
01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:54,599
Speaker 1: and brown homes, we almost teach our kids to say

1380
01:36:54,640 --> 01:36:57,400
Speaker 1: for something like say for that car, you want to

1381
01:36:57,439 --> 01:37:00,040
Speaker 1: say for the house. It's like, well, there's also to

1382
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:02,040
Speaker 1: be a lifestyle of saving as well, so that you

1383
01:37:02,200 --> 01:37:04,800
Speaker 1: just have. So it's just all these like nuances. I think,

1384
01:37:05,120 --> 01:37:08,479
Speaker 1: like you said, you are very important to teach these

1385
01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:14,920
Speaker 1: artists that are coming and everything, yeah, um, and royalties

1386
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:17,479
Speaker 1: and things like that, which you know so much about

1387
01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:22,519
Speaker 1: differently than what newer artists you know, because there was

1388
01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:24,400
Speaker 1: this thing going around for a while where people were

1389
01:37:24,479 --> 01:37:27,599
Speaker 1: just like being hype about owning masters, and I'm like,

1390
01:37:28,439 --> 01:37:31,200
Speaker 1: I get it, but do you do you know what

1391
01:37:31,240 --> 01:37:35,360
Speaker 1: to do with masters? Do you know what it means

1392
01:37:35,479 --> 01:37:39,680
Speaker 1: to have to own it? Do you know how? Do

1393
01:37:39,680 --> 01:37:43,439
Speaker 1: do you know how to generate revenue from your masters?

1394
01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:47,559
Speaker 1: Most of them don't even know what that means. They

1395
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:50,040
Speaker 1: just here, Yeah, and I want to own my masters?

1396
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:55,360
Speaker 1: Why do you want to own your masters? Why do

1397
01:37:55,360 --> 01:37:57,599
Speaker 1: you want to own your masters versus being partners with

1398
01:37:57,640 --> 01:38:00,640
Speaker 1: somebody partnering up with your masters who who have a

1399
01:38:00,720 --> 01:38:05,759
Speaker 1: global infrastructure to help you monetize your master. Why wouldn't

1400
01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:10,920
Speaker 1: you want to do that? You don't know, You just

1401
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:13,080
Speaker 1: the lingo is just going around. So it's that definitely,

1402
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:17,400
Speaker 1: it's that information is those kind of things that need

1403
01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:19,920
Speaker 1: to be taught, even if you're at an independent Okay,

1404
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:22,560
Speaker 1: got it, you gotta you gotta or you know what

1405
01:38:22,600 --> 01:38:26,519
Speaker 1: I'm saying, or or five if that's fine, But somebody's

1406
01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:31,560
Speaker 1: gonna have to administrate your master's You don't have the infrastructure,

1407
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:34,960
Speaker 1: you don't have the relationships. You don't even know them. People,

1408
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:38,280
Speaker 1: you don't even know the people. People you don't the

1409
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:42,320
Speaker 1: first person to call to license masters. You don't have email,

1410
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:48,120
Speaker 1: you don't even know what the google you don't. So

1411
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:51,960
Speaker 1: you know, we are about like, that's what you know.

1412
01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:54,320
Speaker 1: That's what the label, that's what the podcast, that's what

1413
01:38:54,439 --> 01:38:56,639
Speaker 1: all these things are about about. Now, you guys definitely

1414
01:38:56,640 --> 01:38:59,960
Speaker 1: have some teachable moments in your podcast. It's about being

1415
01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:03,719
Speaker 1: informative because there's so many things. There are so many

1416
01:39:03,800 --> 01:39:10,759
Speaker 1: things that you learn through experience only only like the

1417
01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:14,360
Speaker 1: you're just not in the book. I don't care how

1418
01:39:14,360 --> 01:39:19,120
Speaker 1: many music books you read or music business books you read.

1419
01:39:20,040 --> 01:39:22,679
Speaker 1: Most of that stuff that we do, that we talk about,

1420
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:27,559
Speaker 1: that we negotiate is not in those books. The rape

1421
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:35,840
Speaker 1: maybe how you get to it, my god, The bartering,

1422
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:39,920
Speaker 1: the taking less to get more, the knowing what to

1423
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:43,800
Speaker 1: do in that moment, that decision part, like what am

1424
01:39:43,840 --> 01:39:49,960
Speaker 1: I supposed to do? And what you do? Because I

1425
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:53,439
Speaker 1: have been like, let me see how I talked to this. Yeah,

1426
01:39:55,960 --> 01:39:59,599
Speaker 1: that's I don't play about listen to promoter, ain't got

1427
01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:03,160
Speaker 1: your BA I can, but it's three thousand people out there, right,

1428
01:40:04,040 --> 01:40:09,720
Speaker 1: what do you do? Sure came to see you. Do

1429
01:40:09,800 --> 01:40:11,920
Speaker 1: you know that the promoter and the building are two

1430
01:40:11,920 --> 01:40:14,760
Speaker 1: separate people? Do you know that you can go to

1431
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:17,080
Speaker 1: the building and say, hey, man, your promoter that is

1432
01:40:17,160 --> 01:40:21,559
Speaker 1: using your building doesn't have my money. He's gonna make

1433
01:40:21,560 --> 01:40:24,880
Speaker 1: your building look bad. Are you prepared to do something

1434
01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:26,920
Speaker 1: about that? Going to say, frond me that money and

1435
01:40:26,920 --> 01:40:29,479
Speaker 1: then take it up with They don't even it's not

1436
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:34,960
Speaker 1: in the book. And you know that by default hard

1437
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:43,960
Speaker 1: knock life or three thousand people out there, I'll never

1438
01:40:43,960 --> 01:40:47,479
Speaker 1: work with him again, right, and I'm gonna give the

1439
01:40:47,479 --> 01:40:51,080
Speaker 1: show of let's turn the music on. He's definitely good

1440
01:40:51,080 --> 01:40:55,080
Speaker 1: for that. No, we got the bag now. I'm like

1441
01:40:55,120 --> 01:40:59,439
Speaker 1: that too, though, and I'll make sure it's understood. I'm

1442
01:40:59,640 --> 01:41:04,760
Speaker 1: no very I'll tell my friends, He'll tell Instagram. You

1443
01:41:04,840 --> 01:41:08,439
Speaker 1: have to because that business part which we we could

1444
01:41:08,439 --> 01:41:11,840
Speaker 1: talk creative, we could talk all these beautiful grandioso things

1445
01:41:11,880 --> 01:41:14,880
Speaker 1: as an artists, but the business, the music business and

1446
01:41:15,720 --> 01:41:18,680
Speaker 1: economics all that that is an important component of it,

1447
01:41:18,760 --> 01:41:22,800
Speaker 1: like the biggest, the most important. The successful ones understand

1448
01:41:23,360 --> 01:41:28,320
Speaker 1: and do business. It's like us restructure in our business.

1449
01:41:28,360 --> 01:41:34,960
Speaker 1: It was it was to the benefit of of both

1450
01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:41,200
Speaker 1: of us, us and our partners, because to them economically,

1451
01:41:42,479 --> 01:41:48,840
Speaker 1: they weren't taking a risk and to us, economically, we

1452
01:41:48,840 --> 01:41:55,000
Speaker 1: were just betting on ourselves. And so they were like, yeah, cool,

1453
01:41:55,160 --> 01:41:59,400
Speaker 1: let's right. Yeah. We were like, that's right. And so

1454
01:42:00,439 --> 01:42:03,360
Speaker 1: then it just became about the work. If it's just

1455
01:42:03,439 --> 01:42:07,519
Speaker 1: about the work, uh, we're gonna win that. But a

1456
01:42:07,560 --> 01:42:12,599
Speaker 1: great partnership because we're not making we're not making our

1457
01:42:12,640 --> 01:42:15,599
Speaker 1: partners jump out the window, you know what I'm saying

1458
01:42:15,640 --> 01:42:21,400
Speaker 1: on the first day, But we are willing to take

1459
01:42:21,439 --> 01:42:26,519
Speaker 1: the hit to show them that we are worth being

1460
01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:30,479
Speaker 1: partners with, we are worth being in bed with, and

1461
01:42:30,920 --> 01:42:34,519
Speaker 1: that then on the back side of that success, it's like,

1462
01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:37,000
Speaker 1: you know what, give you a little more to keep

1463
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:39,960
Speaker 1: doing that. You know what, We're gonna give you even

1464
01:42:39,960 --> 01:42:42,120
Speaker 1: more of that to keep doing that. Do you have

1465
01:42:42,160 --> 01:42:45,120
Speaker 1: those conversations say I need more or do you hope

1466
01:42:45,160 --> 01:42:50,439
Speaker 1: that they'll say we're gonna give you a lot more? No,

1467
01:42:51,080 --> 01:42:58,200
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I am I'm comfortable with continuing

1468
01:42:59,400 --> 01:43:05,559
Speaker 1: to bet on myself. I really am. Like I just

1469
01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:10,400
Speaker 1: when I look at the numbers and I think everybody

1470
01:43:10,439 --> 01:43:13,479
Speaker 1: should get their bag. If you're worth something crazy by

1471
01:43:13,520 --> 01:43:16,880
Speaker 1: all means, if you can get it, get it. I

1472
01:43:16,880 --> 01:43:20,040
Speaker 1: don't want to I don't want to owe. Like you know, I,

1473
01:43:20,240 --> 01:43:23,200
Speaker 1: like I said, I'm in I'm an owner of my

1474
01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:29,560
Speaker 1: master's and I want to eat off my master's every

1475
01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:32,680
Speaker 1: by quarterly. I want a six figure check to come in.

1476
01:43:33,560 --> 01:43:37,240
Speaker 1: That's what I want to see for my work for

1477
01:43:37,320 --> 01:43:40,599
Speaker 1: the rest of my life. I mean, sure we can

1478
01:43:41,479 --> 01:43:44,400
Speaker 1: cash out and get you know, this big old lump

1479
01:43:44,439 --> 01:43:48,559
Speaker 1: sum up front, and I don't. I don't, I don't know.

1480
01:43:48,600 --> 01:43:50,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the long game, you know

1481
01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:52,280
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And then you start digging holes in

1482
01:43:52,280 --> 01:43:55,040
Speaker 1: so many different places where it's like at a certain point,

1483
01:43:55,040 --> 01:43:58,120
Speaker 1: nobody wants to do business with you because all you have,

1484
01:43:58,720 --> 01:44:01,400
Speaker 1: you know, you have a trail of that behind you,

1485
01:44:02,800 --> 01:44:05,680
Speaker 1: and nobody wants to do business with a person that

1486
01:44:06,560 --> 01:44:11,559
Speaker 1: is known for being with the story along with each

1487
01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:17,000
Speaker 1: trail of that. Every If I'm I'm in the black,

1488
01:44:18,680 --> 01:44:22,479
Speaker 1: I live in the black. That's why people don't mind

1489
01:44:22,479 --> 01:44:24,439
Speaker 1: doing business with me. That's why people don't mind doing

1490
01:44:24,439 --> 01:44:27,559
Speaker 1: business with us. We live in the black. I don't

1491
01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:32,240
Speaker 1: care what it is in the black. You do have

1492
01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:35,320
Speaker 1: a great partnership though, something that's kind of unheard of.

1493
01:44:36,280 --> 01:44:38,559
Speaker 1: You know what. That's a that's a very great that

1494
01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:40,719
Speaker 1: you say that. I have great partners in Atlantic Records.

1495
01:44:41,120 --> 01:44:46,320
Speaker 1: And one thing Craig Common said to me when I

1496
01:44:46,320 --> 01:44:51,519
Speaker 1: first got there is we're gonna get it. Wow, We're

1497
01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:53,400
Speaker 1: gonna get it. No matter how long it takes, we're

1498
01:44:53,400 --> 01:44:59,080
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna get it. And never that, Yeah, we're

1499
01:44:59,120 --> 01:45:01,240
Speaker 1: gonna We're gonna get it. And no matter how long

1500
01:45:01,240 --> 01:45:03,200
Speaker 1: it text, we're gonna get it. Like we're committed to

1501
01:45:04,040 --> 01:45:06,360
Speaker 1: working with you and building this relationship with you, and

1502
01:45:06,400 --> 01:45:08,600
Speaker 1: we're going to get it. And so you think I

1503
01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:18,040
Speaker 1: got signed there in twenty ten, I don't know. And

1504
01:45:20,240 --> 01:45:29,880
Speaker 1: when we didn't happen until sixteen, we did. We were

1505
01:45:29,920 --> 01:45:33,360
Speaker 1: doing we're doing cool numbers, but we hadn't hit the one.

1506
01:45:36,320 --> 01:45:42,760
Speaker 1: So they really waited six years. They stayed rocking with me,

1507
01:45:43,280 --> 01:45:45,800
Speaker 1: stayed in bed with me for six years until I

1508
01:45:45,840 --> 01:45:49,640
Speaker 1: got the one. But that's also a testament to the

1509
01:45:49,720 --> 01:45:54,360
Speaker 1: type of person you are. People do business with people

1510
01:45:54,360 --> 01:45:58,840
Speaker 1: who they like, and you know we can, but that's

1511
01:45:58,840 --> 01:46:01,400
Speaker 1: who it is. I mean, you go to the office,

1512
01:46:01,479 --> 01:46:04,559
Speaker 1: you go tap in with people, check on people. This

1513
01:46:04,640 --> 01:46:07,799
Speaker 1: is the part of the business of business that people

1514
01:46:07,880 --> 01:46:11,439
Speaker 1: have to understand is vital. And he makes him he

1515
01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:15,639
Speaker 1: maintains and manages them well. They love him up there.

1516
01:46:15,680 --> 01:46:30,760
Speaker 1: It's not a sour thing when you hear his name door. No,

1517
01:46:31,400 --> 01:46:33,320
Speaker 1: they love him and they love me. They make me

1518
01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:38,960
Speaker 1: feel comfortable. Sure, but it's like, I just don't. I

1519
01:46:39,080 --> 01:46:42,760
Speaker 1: just I just don't believe in bad energy. Even if

1520
01:46:43,040 --> 01:46:46,120
Speaker 1: even if we're on the down, even if you know,

1521
01:46:47,960 --> 01:46:51,000
Speaker 1: if we're not hitting it off, you know, from a

1522
01:46:51,040 --> 01:46:57,599
Speaker 1: success standpoint, if the numbers aren't crazy, I'm not I'm

1523
01:46:57,640 --> 01:47:02,160
Speaker 1: not blaming this person or that person. Like we're in

1524
01:47:02,200 --> 01:47:09,760
Speaker 1: a partnership. We're a team. So the the scarboard doesn't say,

1525
01:47:10,200 --> 01:47:14,120
Speaker 1: you know, the marketing department loss or you know what

1526
01:47:14,160 --> 01:47:18,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying, or the promotions department loss or you know,

1527
01:47:18,920 --> 01:47:22,200
Speaker 1: he doesn't say that. It doesn't it doesn't say tank loss.

1528
01:47:23,520 --> 01:47:27,000
Speaker 1: When we get in this room, we did not win.

1529
01:47:27,840 --> 01:47:32,120
Speaker 1: So how can we fix this and make it better

1530
01:47:32,240 --> 01:47:37,080
Speaker 1: so that we win? Like and that I'm a team

1531
01:47:37,120 --> 01:47:40,480
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm an athlete. I come from team sports,

1532
01:47:40,479 --> 01:47:43,680
Speaker 1: like and I believe I'm morale and not believe in

1533
01:47:43,840 --> 01:47:47,559
Speaker 1: everybody feeling good about coming the work. Like when you

1534
01:47:47,640 --> 01:47:50,599
Speaker 1: have a new conversations, you know, with my name on

1535
01:47:50,640 --> 01:47:53,400
Speaker 1: the line, Like you have to understand these people, you

1536
01:47:53,439 --> 01:47:56,439
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like whether it be Radio Um,

1537
01:47:56,479 --> 01:47:59,120
Speaker 1: whether it be pr whether it be all these people

1538
01:47:59,160 --> 01:48:03,439
Speaker 1: who are working on your behalf. Right, they can say

1539
01:48:03,479 --> 01:48:08,600
Speaker 1: your name with with with glee, with a smile, or

1540
01:48:08,640 --> 01:48:10,680
Speaker 1: they can say, oh, yeah, we got this tank thing

1541
01:48:10,680 --> 01:48:12,240
Speaker 1: that we're doing. Let us know if you've got space

1542
01:48:12,280 --> 01:48:15,840
Speaker 1: for it, right, Or they can say we got this

1543
01:48:15,920 --> 01:48:20,160
Speaker 1: tank thing that absolutely amazing. He's a great guy. You

1544
01:48:20,360 --> 01:48:23,400
Speaker 1: got you have to pay attention or you can get that.

1545
01:48:25,320 --> 01:48:29,440
Speaker 1: So understand how you treat these people that are speaking

1546
01:48:30,240 --> 01:48:35,040
Speaker 1: on your behalf as it as it as it relates

1547
01:48:35,080 --> 01:48:39,559
Speaker 1: to your career, your life. You don't want those people

1548
01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:43,439
Speaker 1: to feel good about you. You Wow, there's a lot

1549
01:48:43,439 --> 01:48:45,800
Speaker 1: of artists that don't understand that. They don't get it.

1550
01:48:46,400 --> 01:48:49,960
Speaker 1: I've gotten so many gigs and so many opportunities not

1551
01:48:50,120 --> 01:48:53,439
Speaker 1: because I was the biggest artist or the hottest artist

1552
01:48:53,520 --> 01:48:58,799
Speaker 1: at the time, because those people actually like me, because

1553
01:48:58,840 --> 01:49:01,360
Speaker 1: they like the tank coming here. We're gonna have a

1554
01:49:01,439 --> 01:49:06,400
Speaker 1: good time uble we're gonna laugh, we're gonna drink, we're

1555
01:49:06,400 --> 01:49:09,000
Speaker 1: gonna crack jokes, and then he gonna get on the

1556
01:49:09,080 --> 01:49:13,000
Speaker 1: stage and go crazy and and we're gonna have a

1557
01:49:13,080 --> 01:49:17,680
Speaker 1: good He's gonna take all the pictures and we're going

1558
01:49:17,720 --> 01:49:23,799
Speaker 1: to have a good time. And that's part of artists development. Yeah, yeah,

1559
01:49:24,120 --> 01:49:28,200
Speaker 1: but they don't teach. But it's already money. It's time,

1560
01:49:29,640 --> 01:49:35,200
Speaker 1: money gonna Learnay, definitely gonna learn today. Can I get

1561
01:49:35,200 --> 01:49:37,640
Speaker 1: my deal? Let's talk about this on air. Can I

1562
01:49:37,640 --> 01:49:43,400
Speaker 1: get my deal? Is Za's deal? What is there? So?

1563
01:49:43,880 --> 01:49:45,720
Speaker 1: I'm just getting back to you, back to you what

1564
01:49:45,800 --> 01:49:47,400
Speaker 1: I would like to know about. I would like to

1565
01:49:47,439 --> 01:49:54,360
Speaker 1: know about. Zena has been wanting to do a record

1566
01:49:54,400 --> 01:49:58,679
Speaker 1: deal for I don't know how long. I think Zena

1567
01:49:58,920 --> 01:50:04,360
Speaker 1: is great with hearing music. Zena can hear music. She

1568
01:50:04,600 --> 01:50:07,960
Speaker 1: knows when it ain't right. She knows like when it's

1569
01:50:08,040 --> 01:50:12,080
Speaker 1: vocally wrong, musically wrong, like she can hear. I don't

1570
01:50:12,120 --> 01:50:14,000
Speaker 1: know how she does it. I don't know how she's

1571
01:50:14,040 --> 01:50:17,600
Speaker 1: able to do that but still be toned dead, you

1572
01:50:17,640 --> 01:50:19,960
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So it's like it's like, Babe,

1573
01:50:19,960 --> 01:50:24,360
Speaker 1: go so nice? No, do you have so many other

1574
01:50:24,400 --> 01:50:27,760
Speaker 1: gifts and let's do this on their No no no,

1575
01:50:28,680 --> 01:50:33,519
Speaker 1: I wasn't prepared and I've been drinking Champo. No no, no, no, no, no.

1576
01:50:33,800 --> 01:50:42,040
Speaker 1: We have asked for this deal on air yet. Okay,

1577
01:50:42,280 --> 01:50:45,639
Speaker 1: so economically, so you know, it's just it's just gonna

1578
01:50:45,680 --> 01:50:48,120
Speaker 1: it's gonna take a little tune, take a little It's

1579
01:50:48,120 --> 01:50:53,160
Speaker 1: gonna take a little tune. That's okay, But I may

1580
01:50:53,200 --> 01:50:54,960
Speaker 1: have to break down and do one record. I can

1581
01:50:55,000 --> 01:50:57,240
Speaker 1: carry that stage with choreography though, I want to hear.

1582
01:50:58,040 --> 01:51:05,080
Speaker 1: Let's just do just give me one because it's gonna

1583
01:51:05,080 --> 01:51:09,000
Speaker 1: go and then we're gonna have creative monster. Ate it

1584
01:51:09,120 --> 01:51:11,519
Speaker 1: a monster. But that's all I want. And I'm gonna

1585
01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:15,920
Speaker 1: quit everytime. No you're not. You're gonna tas that first thing.

1586
01:51:16,040 --> 01:51:18,120
Speaker 1: You think I'll start chearing. I told you I was

1587
01:51:18,240 --> 01:51:21,559
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, he was hating all this time. Oh

1588
01:51:21,600 --> 01:51:24,320
Speaker 1: it's gonna get it's gonna get real ugly, and I

1589
01:51:24,320 --> 01:51:34,320
Speaker 1: gotta get that's what you baby sitting kids right there

1590
01:51:35,080 --> 01:51:36,920
Speaker 1: where you're going to work. Get going. We have to

1591
01:51:36,960 --> 01:51:41,160
Speaker 1: get going, going to work. You know what this is? You?

1592
01:51:42,439 --> 01:51:45,320
Speaker 1: I would love that you said you wanted to retire, right,

1593
01:51:45,439 --> 01:51:47,439
Speaker 1: said you was done. I'll be running the beauty business.

1594
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:53,320
Speaker 1: It's he'll be in the packing orders. Can you imagine it?

1595
01:51:53,479 --> 01:51:56,960
Speaker 1: Just signed to go guy still still relieve find wrinkles

1596
01:51:57,600 --> 01:52:03,599
Speaker 1: products are say do work, They do work and they

1597
01:52:03,640 --> 01:52:22,040
Speaker 1: are good. The bosto. Um, let's talk about you're gonna

1598
01:52:22,040 --> 01:52:24,920
Speaker 1: do a top five. I love to do a top five.

1599
01:52:25,240 --> 01:52:28,479
Speaker 1: Let's do a top five. Top five? What top five?

1600
01:52:29,400 --> 01:52:31,120
Speaker 1: I'm even gonna say R and B. Let's just say

1601
01:52:31,880 --> 01:52:35,479
Speaker 1: top five. I don't even go artists or you want

1602
01:52:35,479 --> 01:52:41,800
Speaker 1: to go albums stuff. Mhm. I'll start with artists. Top

1603
01:52:41,800 --> 01:52:50,600
Speaker 1: five artists, top five artists, Jesus, top five artists. I

1604
01:52:50,640 --> 01:52:56,559
Speaker 1: don't want to stick it to R and B. Whatever, everything, Okay,

1605
01:52:56,560 --> 01:53:03,439
Speaker 1: five Marvin Gaye, Okay, we gotta start there. We're gonna

1606
01:53:03,479 --> 01:53:14,080
Speaker 1: start there. Um Reverend John P. King, Okay, I go there, commissioned,

1607
01:53:16,920 --> 01:53:29,880
Speaker 1: I gotta go there. Joy See, I know what Joe

1608
01:53:29,920 --> 01:53:33,040
Speaker 1: five is gonna be, but you don't want it to be.

1609
01:53:39,320 --> 01:53:41,200
Speaker 1: You don't have to say, we know what it is.

1610
01:53:43,640 --> 01:53:58,240
Speaker 1: Jesus saw he's a goner. He's a good That is

1611
01:53:58,320 --> 01:54:02,639
Speaker 1: so funny. So yeah, I mean it's a top top

1612
01:54:02,680 --> 01:54:06,559
Speaker 1: five because it's a tough top five, because you know,

1613
01:54:06,720 --> 01:54:10,920
Speaker 1: there's Kim barell Um, There's there's Beyonce of course or

1614
01:54:11,000 --> 01:54:16,599
Speaker 1: Beyonce Um, there's Celine dion Um, and there's Aretha Franklin.

1615
01:54:16,880 --> 01:54:19,439
Speaker 1: I just it's I just gave a I just gave

1616
01:54:19,479 --> 01:54:21,439
Speaker 1: a top five that came to my head. I'm saying,

1617
01:54:21,600 --> 01:54:29,799
Speaker 1: what's your next favorite genre of music outside of army whatever?

1618
01:54:29,880 --> 01:54:38,520
Speaker 1: Lenny Kravitz does, whatever you call that, whatever, whatever that is,

1619
01:54:38,680 --> 01:54:41,240
Speaker 1: right does he does? It have a It's a Lenny Kravitz,

1620
01:54:41,320 --> 01:54:47,160
Speaker 1: It's a Kravt. It's rock, it's it's funk, it's it's

1621
01:54:47,320 --> 01:54:52,880
Speaker 1: worldly like, it's it's everything. Whatever he does, that's my

1622
01:54:53,000 --> 01:54:58,400
Speaker 1: next favorite genre of music. I want to reincarnate and

1623
01:54:58,520 --> 01:55:01,000
Speaker 1: come back with a guitar. You have the hair, and

1624
01:55:01,520 --> 01:55:06,440
Speaker 1: I was going to say leather pants, boots and uh

1625
01:55:06,120 --> 01:55:09,800
Speaker 1: and in a fish fish net tank tok. Think still sexy.

1626
01:55:09,840 --> 01:55:12,839
Speaker 1: I can take that. You want, Gene, He's still sexy.

1627
01:55:12,920 --> 01:55:17,960
Speaker 1: I can take that. Yeah, I can take I can

1628
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:21,840
Speaker 1: take you. Being Linny Krabing worried to say, let me

1629
01:55:21,880 --> 01:55:26,960
Speaker 1: take Lenny kravisten. Listen, we sa you have to do

1630
01:55:27,000 --> 01:55:29,880
Speaker 1: Sometimes sometimes you just have to give a pass right

1631
01:55:30,360 --> 01:55:36,120
Speaker 1: because some ballots. You're gonna lose, right, Lenny Crabs, let

1632
01:55:36,200 --> 01:55:39,320
Speaker 1: me get that pants. I'm probably gonna need your woman

1633
01:55:39,360 --> 01:55:42,880
Speaker 1: for the night. You know what. You be careful with that, Okay,

1634
01:55:43,440 --> 01:55:45,760
Speaker 1: at a certain time, just you send her back in

1635
01:55:45,880 --> 01:55:48,400
Speaker 1: one piece and if you want to, and if you

1636
01:55:48,440 --> 01:55:50,880
Speaker 1: want to send her back with a stipend, you can

1637
01:55:50,960 --> 01:55:59,120
Speaker 1: also that if you want. Has a friend name is yeah? Cool?

1638
01:56:02,600 --> 01:56:11,080
Speaker 1: Every I don't know a few questions. Favorite female R

1639
01:56:11,160 --> 01:56:14,960
Speaker 1: and B artists very tough. Actually, favorite female R and

1640
01:56:15,040 --> 01:56:27,560
Speaker 1: B album better? I mean, you gotta look at your phone. No, no,

1641
01:56:27,640 --> 01:56:32,400
Speaker 1: I want to be clear about about I know whose

1642
01:56:32,440 --> 01:56:35,000
Speaker 1: album is it is? I just want to be clear about.

1643
01:56:37,400 --> 01:56:39,640
Speaker 1: Can we get that little Doo Doo Doo amazing? No,

1644
01:56:39,800 --> 01:56:45,600
Speaker 1: we don't. You're gonna um just say the artists. We

1645
01:56:45,640 --> 01:56:47,480
Speaker 1: can help you figure it out. We gotta say the

1646
01:56:47,520 --> 01:56:50,040
Speaker 1: album because if you stayed the artists Brandy never say Never,

1647
01:56:50,240 --> 01:56:53,480
Speaker 1: oh period, I'm sorry you like to never say never?

1648
01:56:53,600 --> 01:56:59,560
Speaker 1: Better than Full Moon, Yeah, never say Nevers? Yeah? Is

1649
01:56:59,600 --> 01:57:03,000
Speaker 1: Angel Disguise? That's I mean, that is a great album.

1650
01:57:03,240 --> 01:57:07,240
Speaker 1: But my favorite female R and B album is Brandy Fullmo.

1651
01:57:07,640 --> 01:57:09,040
Speaker 1: Let let me look at Let me look at Fullmo

1652
01:57:09,920 --> 01:57:14,040
Speaker 1: for Memon. The record is one of the greatest records

1653
01:57:14,040 --> 01:57:16,640
Speaker 1: I think ever, just that record, from top to bottom.

1654
01:57:16,720 --> 01:57:20,200
Speaker 1: They call the tracks tracks on the tracks, but never

1655
01:57:20,280 --> 01:57:25,800
Speaker 1: say never, transmation, never say never is just place. Have

1656
01:57:25,920 --> 01:57:28,760
Speaker 1: you ever? Have you ever missed everything? Put that on,

1657
01:57:28,960 --> 01:57:33,120
Speaker 1: put that on that Oh I love that. I think

1658
01:57:33,160 --> 01:57:36,800
Speaker 1: about it, about it because never say is that Angela Scott.

1659
01:57:36,840 --> 01:57:41,480
Speaker 1: That's that's top to bottom and I love you that's

1660
01:57:41,520 --> 01:57:47,360
Speaker 1: what it's look at. Yeah, baby, Full Moon probably has

1661
01:57:47,960 --> 01:57:51,520
Speaker 1: killed that album. Full Moon probably has my favorite Brandy song,

1662
01:57:52,680 --> 01:57:57,320
Speaker 1: which one when you Touch Me? Oh my god, I

1663
01:57:57,360 --> 01:57:59,800
Speaker 1: love that song when listen, let me tell you. I

1664
01:57:59,800 --> 01:58:02,120
Speaker 1: don't know what it was, but when that album came out,

1665
01:58:02,440 --> 01:58:06,160
Speaker 1: I used to love to just drive album and being

1666
01:58:06,240 --> 01:58:07,560
Speaker 1: my feelings. I don't care if it was in a

1667
01:58:07,640 --> 01:58:10,760
Speaker 1: good place or a bad place. My feeling you have

1668
01:58:10,840 --> 01:58:14,840
Speaker 1: to say never. In Full Moon I would put up

1669
01:58:14,880 --> 01:58:25,520
Speaker 1: against any females, anyone, anybody. Yeah, me too, that thing,

1670
01:58:25,720 --> 01:58:29,080
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, every record, every song, every touch me.

1671
01:58:30,280 --> 01:58:33,960
Speaker 1: When I heard that song, I was so. When I

1672
01:58:34,080 --> 01:58:37,960
Speaker 1: heard that song, I was so, I was it. It

1673
01:58:38,640 --> 01:58:41,080
Speaker 1: took me a while to audit the song because some

1674
01:58:41,280 --> 01:58:45,360
Speaker 1: songs just some songs just messed me up. That's one

1675
01:58:45,400 --> 01:58:47,360
Speaker 1: of the songs that messed me up. It took me.

1676
01:58:47,560 --> 01:58:50,880
Speaker 1: The other the song recently that messed me up. That

1677
01:58:51,040 --> 01:58:54,040
Speaker 1: that that I'm still auditing, still trying to get out

1678
01:58:54,080 --> 01:58:58,440
Speaker 1: of my feelings about It's heart damage. Oh yeah, yeah,

1679
01:59:00,440 --> 01:59:07,280
Speaker 1: anybody shout out to cardiac. Oh my gosh, are you

1680
01:59:07,480 --> 01:59:11,760
Speaker 1: kidding me? Are you kidding me? That's the song, the

1681
01:59:12,160 --> 01:59:16,960
Speaker 1: original song already itself damaged me, already messed me up.

1682
01:59:17,480 --> 01:59:20,960
Speaker 1: And then they did that h when you touched me?

1683
01:59:21,800 --> 01:59:28,280
Speaker 1: That Now, I'm totally with that. I'm with that answer too,

1684
01:59:28,920 --> 01:59:33,520
Speaker 1: totally totally aligned. Right, I gotta get her on the pod.

1685
01:59:34,120 --> 01:59:36,720
Speaker 1: She's come, She's gonna come, she'll come. Do you know

1686
01:59:36,760 --> 01:59:39,000
Speaker 1: how important she like I'm born and like, do you

1687
01:59:39,120 --> 01:59:42,680
Speaker 1: not how important? Like we have like Brandy. I saw

1688
01:59:42,800 --> 01:59:49,080
Speaker 1: Brandy sing. I introduced Brandy at um at um. What

1689
01:59:49,280 --> 01:59:56,760
Speaker 1: was the Army Knight? Philip? Philip? I think was the

1690
01:59:56,800 --> 02:00:00,240
Speaker 1: reason we would be? I hosted, I was hosting it. Yeah,

1691
02:00:00,280 --> 02:00:04,960
Speaker 1: she was, And I introduced Brandy and I watched my

1692
02:00:05,160 --> 02:00:10,880
Speaker 1: friends guys while she was singing. I watched him hug

1693
02:00:10,960 --> 02:00:21,880
Speaker 1: each other, Yeah, huddled up together. Men just done watching.

1694
02:00:22,000 --> 02:00:29,920
Speaker 1: I'm saying like this, she was just she was just Brandy. Brandy.

1695
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:33,800
Speaker 1: Oh she's so good voice like that, change the world

1696
02:00:34,120 --> 02:00:38,320
Speaker 1: runs like that. I mean, she's her runs voice, just

1697
02:00:38,880 --> 02:00:43,840
Speaker 1: different gifts, different kind of gifts, different kind of gifts. Yeah,

1698
02:00:44,440 --> 02:00:51,800
Speaker 1: what else does hot mess? I was living at Brandy

1699
02:00:51,880 --> 02:00:57,480
Speaker 1: in the conversar radie. I told you to burst. There's

1700
02:00:57,520 --> 02:00:59,520
Speaker 1: one time I did get mad at Brandy in real life.

1701
02:01:00,280 --> 02:01:03,200
Speaker 1: Remember my birthday party in l A. Just going real,

1702
02:01:03,960 --> 02:01:06,200
Speaker 1: don't be real it was It wasn't bad. It was

1703
02:01:06,280 --> 02:01:07,640
Speaker 1: my birthday party in l A. And one of my

1704
02:01:07,720 --> 02:01:09,800
Speaker 1: really good friends was pregnant. She was at my birthday

1705
02:01:09,840 --> 02:01:12,640
Speaker 1: party and Brandy approached her for being pregnant in the

1706
02:01:12,720 --> 02:01:17,160
Speaker 1: club down and I was like, whoa, she's here to

1707
02:01:17,240 --> 02:01:21,800
Speaker 1: celebrate me. We're just having here with this child. Now,

1708
02:01:22,400 --> 02:01:26,800
Speaker 1: I does that? She crazy? She's on the mother's board.

1709
02:01:27,360 --> 02:01:30,280
Speaker 1: Came to sit her down. She's like, wait, you shouldn't

1710
02:01:30,320 --> 02:01:36,640
Speaker 1: be on here here the Lord. I was like. It

1711
02:01:36,760 --> 02:01:39,280
Speaker 1: was so funny because she was my favorite female R

1712
02:01:39,360 --> 02:01:45,440
Speaker 1: and B artist. No, I love her. What I'm just saying,

1713
02:01:45,520 --> 02:01:47,680
Speaker 1: I just remember that moment that was so funny to me.

1714
02:01:48,080 --> 02:01:52,360
Speaker 1: Is Mariah Carey R and B two M too. I

1715
02:01:52,440 --> 02:01:59,920
Speaker 1: mean Mariah Carey eventually moved into a more soulful space

1716
02:02:01,400 --> 02:02:05,400
Speaker 1: because there are different you know, there's so many different

1717
02:02:05,440 --> 02:02:08,760
Speaker 1: nuances to R and B and so when you when

1718
02:02:08,800 --> 02:02:12,000
Speaker 1: you say pop, you're just saying music is more popular.

1719
02:02:13,000 --> 02:02:15,880
Speaker 1: But when you're singing about love, singing from the depths

1720
02:02:15,880 --> 02:02:19,240
Speaker 1: of your soul, Yeah, music to me absolutely, just in

1721
02:02:19,280 --> 02:02:21,720
Speaker 1: a different space. You know what I'm saying, pop was

1722
02:02:21,840 --> 02:02:25,280
Speaker 1: the or the word pop was created so that certain

1723
02:02:25,320 --> 02:02:27,200
Speaker 1: people could take ownership of it. But you know that's

1724
02:02:27,200 --> 02:02:32,400
Speaker 1: a different type of conversation, conversation, different real conversation. But yeah,

1725
02:02:32,520 --> 02:02:36,880
Speaker 1: Mari Carry, Mari Carry is capable of all things, all

1726
02:02:36,960 --> 02:02:43,160
Speaker 1: things absolutely, Marian Oh dirty bastard. She's the only artist

1727
02:02:43,280 --> 02:02:47,160
Speaker 1: that did which she did because she didn't have to

1728
02:02:48,520 --> 02:02:55,720
Speaker 1: did not that she never needed she needs. Yeah, she

1729
02:02:55,840 --> 02:03:02,120
Speaker 1: needed it. Yeah, there's a she didn't need it, but

1730
02:03:02,560 --> 02:03:06,880
Speaker 1: for her, for her soul, I need to shed. I

1731
02:03:06,960 --> 02:03:10,440
Speaker 1: need to get to that ship I need That's what

1732
02:03:10,560 --> 02:03:12,600
Speaker 1: I really do. That y'all don't know that I do.

1733
02:03:12,920 --> 02:03:17,360
Speaker 1: I can't imagine. I want O dB on. They were like, now,

1734
02:03:17,960 --> 02:03:28,720
Speaker 1: what change that record is? Like, where's locks? Need I

1735
02:03:28,880 --> 02:03:31,520
Speaker 1: need that ship. Yeah, she had to bring in her

1736
02:03:31,520 --> 02:03:33,240
Speaker 1: other side. Then you have to think about this like

1737
02:03:34,160 --> 02:03:38,640
Speaker 1: it only works if we believe her. Sure we did, absolutely,

1738
02:03:38,840 --> 02:03:42,879
Speaker 1: still do. Absolutely A choice inspired you as far as musically,

1739
02:03:43,080 --> 02:03:47,320
Speaker 1: like vocally. I know you came from the church, but

1740
02:03:47,560 --> 02:03:56,960
Speaker 1: what artists um Shot study Reverend Reverend drop study, commissioned

1741
02:03:57,960 --> 02:04:02,000
Speaker 1: study baby Face, that's study Bryan and Night. I studied

1742
02:04:02,080 --> 02:04:05,240
Speaker 1: R Kelly, I studied You'll to See. And this is

1743
02:04:05,320 --> 02:04:07,000
Speaker 1: all late in the game because I really wasn't able

1744
02:04:07,000 --> 02:04:09,840
Speaker 1: to listen to this stuff. I studied New Edition, I

1745
02:04:09,880 --> 02:04:12,600
Speaker 1: studied Anything Jimmy Jim and Terry Lewis. Did you know

1746
02:04:12,640 --> 02:04:14,320
Speaker 1: I had to go back and dig in the crates

1747
02:04:14,400 --> 02:04:17,360
Speaker 1: and and and learn all of these things that all

1748
02:04:17,440 --> 02:04:21,600
Speaker 1: that had already passed me by, studied the Late Bolt.

1749
02:04:21,800 --> 02:04:23,640
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't start doing R B music until

1750
02:04:23,720 --> 02:04:28,960
Speaker 1: ninety six. I graduated high school ninety four. So much

1751
02:04:29,040 --> 02:04:31,280
Speaker 1: great R and B before then, so much, and I

1752
02:04:31,360 --> 02:04:33,800
Speaker 1: had to I had to go back and listen and

1753
02:04:34,160 --> 02:04:36,640
Speaker 1: and and dig into those crates. But I like, I

1754
02:04:36,760 --> 02:04:41,880
Speaker 1: was a student of music of so many dope artists

1755
02:04:41,920 --> 02:04:46,560
Speaker 1: because you know, I wanted to have it all, and

1756
02:04:46,640 --> 02:04:49,040
Speaker 1: so I would sit in my room with my keyboard.

1757
02:04:49,320 --> 02:04:51,160
Speaker 1: Had a p v D p M four. My mother

1758
02:04:51,280 --> 02:04:53,280
Speaker 1: brought it for me, my first synthesizer. I could do

1759
02:04:53,360 --> 02:04:56,320
Speaker 1: tracks on and shout out to your mother, shout out

1760
02:04:56,360 --> 02:05:01,720
Speaker 1: to mom's financing my joint and paying the bill and uh.

1761
02:05:02,480 --> 02:05:04,800
Speaker 1: And I would sit in my room from sun up

1762
02:05:04,840 --> 02:05:08,320
Speaker 1: to sundown. I didn't even know it was nighttime. I

1763
02:05:08,320 --> 02:05:11,280
Speaker 1: would get up. I would eat breakfast, and then my

1764
02:05:11,400 --> 02:05:12,840
Speaker 1: mom will come in the room. She's like, what are

1765
02:05:12,840 --> 02:05:14,880
Speaker 1: you doing. I was like, I'm just you understoding. She's like,

1766
02:05:14,920 --> 02:05:16,000
Speaker 1: do you know what time it is? I was like,

1767
02:05:16,440 --> 02:05:21,160
Speaker 1: you know, She's like, it's nine o'clock at night. She's like,

1768
02:05:21,240 --> 02:05:24,200
Speaker 1: have you eaven? I was like no, I forgot. I

1769
02:05:24,320 --> 02:05:28,280
Speaker 1: was like a hundred pounds. So I would not I

1770
02:05:28,320 --> 02:05:32,240
Speaker 1: wouldn't even eat. I would be on studying, studying. Timberland

1771
02:05:32,320 --> 02:05:34,760
Speaker 1: was my favorite producer, so I would in my little

1772
02:05:35,280 --> 02:05:38,160
Speaker 1: nine track sequencer. I would try to reproduce all the

1773
02:05:38,240 --> 02:05:41,880
Speaker 1: songs that Timberland did. I would try to reproduce Eli.

1774
02:05:42,040 --> 02:05:45,880
Speaker 1: I would try to reproduce you know, genuine. I will

1775
02:05:45,920 --> 02:05:47,840
Speaker 1: try to reproduce all of these different things. You know

1776
02:05:47,880 --> 02:05:50,200
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I gotta be like Timberland, you

1777
02:05:50,200 --> 02:05:54,280
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, And I study the craft, study

1778
02:05:54,520 --> 02:05:56,640
Speaker 1: like baby Face was the first R and B artist

1779
02:05:56,680 --> 02:05:58,600
Speaker 1: whose songs I could sing if a girl asked me

1780
02:05:58,680 --> 02:06:01,000
Speaker 1: to sing something, because it was nice songs, you know

1781
02:06:01,040 --> 02:06:03,760
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So that's where I kind of first

1782
02:06:03,840 --> 02:06:06,040
Speaker 1: got my little taste of singing R and B music

1783
02:06:06,120 --> 02:06:08,800
Speaker 1: was singing babysitting baby Face songs. You know I'm saying.

1784
02:06:08,800 --> 02:06:10,800
Speaker 1: On the whipp a pill, you know that tender love

1785
02:06:10,840 --> 02:06:13,200
Speaker 1: an you know what I'm saying, Like I could sing

1786
02:06:13,280 --> 02:06:17,640
Speaker 1: tender songs. You say, tender songs work for the church, kid.

1787
02:06:18,240 --> 02:06:22,920
Speaker 1: So you know, I studied so much. I studied all

1788
02:06:23,000 --> 02:06:25,040
Speaker 1: of it. Like I can tell you. I can tell

1789
02:06:25,080 --> 02:06:27,280
Speaker 1: you how you know, all of those artists I name,

1790
02:06:27,360 --> 02:06:29,360
Speaker 1: I can tell you how they do their thing down

1791
02:06:29,400 --> 02:06:31,720
Speaker 1: to the science and I can and I can tell

1792
02:06:31,840 --> 02:06:36,240
Speaker 1: that crazy that you have a relationship with people's circle, right, Yes,

1793
02:06:36,520 --> 02:06:40,240
Speaker 1: that is that is crazy. Yeah, yeah, that's nuts. I

1794
02:06:40,360 --> 02:06:44,320
Speaker 1: never thought of that. I never. I never thought of that.

1795
02:06:45,480 --> 02:06:48,240
Speaker 1: I never, I never. I never thought of that. That's

1796
02:06:48,320 --> 02:06:51,960
Speaker 1: the beauty in it. Yeah, you're destined to do exactly

1797
02:06:52,080 --> 02:06:56,960
Speaker 1: what you've done in this world. Profit Todd Hall. When

1798
02:06:57,000 --> 02:07:01,160
Speaker 1: I was um, I used to open for him. You know,

1799
02:07:01,200 --> 02:07:03,160
Speaker 1: I has to come seeing a couple of selections before

1800
02:07:03,160 --> 02:07:06,280
Speaker 1: he would preach. And he prophesied on me one day

1801
02:07:06,320 --> 02:07:09,000
Speaker 1: and he was like, this, this won't be the place

1802
02:07:09,160 --> 02:07:14,440
Speaker 1: where you are called to go out there. I was like,

1803
02:07:15,520 --> 02:07:18,520
Speaker 1: what do you mean? Yeah, so you're called to go

1804
02:07:18,600 --> 02:07:22,440
Speaker 1: out there and be correct prophet. I don't told me that.

1805
02:07:23,120 --> 02:07:25,680
Speaker 1: And and I don't think anybody in the church at

1806
02:07:25,760 --> 02:07:32,000
Speaker 1: that moment we're got that or we're too excited about that.

1807
02:07:32,280 --> 02:07:36,080
Speaker 1: Definitely not gonna say that. But he's you know, he's

1808
02:07:36,080 --> 02:07:38,680
Speaker 1: one of the realists. He's one of the realists. You know,

1809
02:07:38,960 --> 02:07:40,720
Speaker 1: he's a prophet who I have to honor him as

1810
02:07:40,720 --> 02:07:43,240
Speaker 1: a prophet. But he's one of the realist Niggers I've

1811
02:07:43,280 --> 02:07:46,280
Speaker 1: ever met. Yeah, so that's the second honor, right after

1812
02:07:46,320 --> 02:07:51,440
Speaker 1: the I have to I have to honor him as

1813
02:07:51,440 --> 02:07:52,880
Speaker 1: a prophet first. You know what I'm saying. I can't.

1814
02:07:52,880 --> 02:07:59,840
Speaker 1: I can't disrespect that realistical. And he told me said,

1815
02:08:00,080 --> 02:08:05,480
Speaker 1: will you will prosper out there? So so many you

1816
02:08:05,560 --> 02:08:07,920
Speaker 1: knew it? Yeah, I mean, of course he knows it.

1817
02:08:11,200 --> 02:08:18,320
Speaker 1: All right, we do it be money. He said, retire,

1818
02:08:18,440 --> 02:08:22,400
Speaker 1: But I don't think as much as I hope to make,

1819
02:08:27,040 --> 02:08:30,680
Speaker 1: we canang lose you. Banker said, we can't lose you

1820
02:08:32,000 --> 02:08:35,240
Speaker 1: if Anita comes in on this case need his Instagram

1821
02:08:35,480 --> 02:08:39,440
Speaker 1: right right? You know Anita comes to the couch and

1822
02:08:39,560 --> 02:08:41,280
Speaker 1: then Nita comes in on the couch. I am going

1823
02:08:41,360 --> 02:08:54,400
Speaker 1: to shout the pool yeah don't but did you have

1824
02:08:54,520 --> 02:09:00,200
Speaker 1: a good time? Often here we go if you give

1825
02:09:00,280 --> 02:09:03,600
Speaker 1: you all today because it was my first time. But

1826
02:09:03,640 --> 02:09:05,680
Speaker 1: don't don't let me sit here. I would like to

1827
02:09:05,720 --> 02:09:09,760
Speaker 1: see more of the woman aspect and point of view

1828
02:09:10,680 --> 02:09:13,320
Speaker 1: on the Army Money podcast. Just let us know. You know,

1829
02:09:13,360 --> 02:09:17,760
Speaker 1: we're always into giving the people what they want, and

1830
02:09:18,400 --> 02:09:22,520
Speaker 1: to be honest, let's just say women is I personally

1831
02:09:22,560 --> 02:09:27,480
Speaker 1: feel like who RMB is supposed to cater to. So

1832
02:09:27,560 --> 02:09:32,160
Speaker 1: I appreciate you for having so women. Women run this world? Sure,

1833
02:09:32,560 --> 02:09:37,040
Speaker 1: period point black. So I am honored to have my

1834
02:09:37,240 --> 02:09:42,160
Speaker 1: sister Ms Ditty on the Army Money Podcast and honor

1835
02:09:42,680 --> 02:09:46,480
Speaker 1: to have my beautiful wife in the ads on the

1836
02:09:46,720 --> 02:09:52,680
Speaker 1: Army Money Army Money Podcast. Ladies and gentlemen, um, I'm Tank.

1837
02:09:55,560 --> 02:10:00,200
Speaker 1: This is the Army Money Podcast, the authority on all

1838
02:10:00,400 --> 02:10:07,600
Speaker 1: things r and b I might be retired. We might

1839
02:10:07,920 --> 02:10:21,720
Speaker 1: maybe not that the church and being money