1 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: Hello everybody. I'm Jemma Spake and welcome back to the 2 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: Psychology of Your Twenties, the podcast where we talk through 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: the biggest changes, moments, and transitions of our twenties and 4 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 1: what they mean for our psychology. Hello everybody, it is 5 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: so great to have you here. Back for another episode 6 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: of the Psychology of Your Twenties, Back for another bonus episode. 7 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 1: I'm kind of doing it old school. I'm like bringing 8 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: it back to the early days, the like early twenty 9 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: twenty one, twenty twenty two days of the podcast where 10 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: I would get on the mic and just talk about 11 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: random stuff, random things in my bedroom. I was going 12 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: to do like a bonus episode today on Freud and 13 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: on false memories and all this stuff, and I was like, 14 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: I just don't really feel like it. I actually just 15 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 1: feel like chatting, and so I'm gonna do it. I 16 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: was like, oh, wait, this is actually my podcast. I 17 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: can just chat. I can just talk to you guys 18 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: about my life and what I've been up to and 19 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: my twenties rather than like the psychology behind it. And 20 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: I thought, what would be like a good kind of topic, 21 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: kind of structure of this episode, so I don't just 22 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: go off on Tangents is a little bit of like 23 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: a London update and a little bit of an update 24 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 1: around how my life is in London since moving here 25 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: at the start of the year and things that I've 26 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: been learning, things that I've been realizing, particularly this like 27 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: one reoccurring theme that I am spotting in my life, 28 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: which is kind of a failure or an inability to 29 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: be in the season of life that I am currently in. 30 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: And being in London has because it has been such 31 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: like one of the biggest shocks to my system, and 32 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: I guess to my life has put this in clear 33 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: perspectives than any other situation has. Like it's become so 34 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: evident to me that this is a problem for me 35 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: that I cannot just like sit in the chapters the 36 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: chapter of life that I am in. I am constantly 37 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: thinking ahead, constantly thinking of something better, constantly getting to 38 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: the place I want to be, and then being like, okay, 39 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: so what's next, And this is the thing? Oh my god, 40 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: I'm really just jumping straight into it. But this is 41 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: what I've realized with London. I spent two years, two 42 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: years imagining my life here, two years I guess preparing 43 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:35,679 Speaker 1: and if you guys know the story. Basically, I have 44 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,559 Speaker 1: to wait for my boyfriend Tom to finish an accreditation 45 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: for his job so that we could move here, and 46 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: being very patient and being like, when I get to London, 47 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: like my my real adult life is going to start, 48 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: and my twenties are going to like really start, and 49 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: this big adventure is going to occur, and I'm going 50 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: to be so happy and I'm gonna be so fulfilled, 51 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:56,679 Speaker 1: and my career is going to be great. I'm gonna 52 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: be a city goal. And now I've been here now 53 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: for eight months and the only thing I want is 54 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: to move home, and all I can think about is like, 55 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 1: oh my god, how good is it going to be 56 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: when we go back to Australia. How good is it 57 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: going to be when we go back to Australia and 58 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: we buy a big piece of land like in Queensland 59 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: and we get to build our home. And I really 60 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: want to build like a big community space with like 61 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: art like rooms for like artist retreats and like for 62 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: community meals. And I want to build like a like 63 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: a small rescue facility we can get sheltered dogs like 64 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah, and I'm like, wait, what 65 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: has just happened here? Because again I just explained it. 66 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: I spent all this time wanting this future, wanting this reality, 67 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: which it is now it's my reality, the moment that 68 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: I'm in, and I'm here, and it hasn't been terrible, 69 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: It's actually been quite great. And suddenly I'm like, Okay, 70 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: what's next? What's next? And this inability to sit and 71 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: be happy with the moment, with the season, with the 72 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: chapter that I currently inhabit is I'm kind of recognizing 73 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: a little bit of a problem. So I've basically just 74 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: given you everything we're going to talk about right off 75 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: the bat, but there's a bit more complexity to it. 76 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: I kind of want to discuss. I have gotten a 77 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: lot of questions, i should say, from people who are like, hey, 78 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: how is London, I'm about to move, I'm thinking of moving. 79 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: I'm thinking of moving, not to London, but in general, 80 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: what's been your experience? So I thought I go through 81 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: that and then talk about when I'm planning to leave. 82 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: I guess and this more general pathological kind of inability 83 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: to be I was gonna say inability to be happy, 84 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 1: inability to be happy, No, inability to be at ease 85 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: with my life. So we have been in London now 86 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: for We moved in December, so it's what is it June, 87 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: so six months? Seven months At this point, I would 88 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: say we moved. It a terror time, and I can 89 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 1: see that in hindsight that we did not plan our 90 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 1: move well. Firstly, we moved right as the podcast was 91 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 1: like going on Netflix, and I spoke about this in 92 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: a previous episode. That was just the most stressful period 93 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: of my life. Something you may not know about that. 94 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: I feel like it's this huge, crazy thing, you know, 95 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 1: the Psychology of your twenties on Netflix. It's a massive, 96 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 1: like career achievement. I genuinely couldn't have dreamed it. It 97 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: was so stressful because I signed that contract literally four 98 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,679 Speaker 1: hours before I got on the plane. I really didn't 99 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: think it was going to happen. And then I got here. 100 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: We went on holiday with my Firstly, I got to 101 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 1: London and we didn't have anywhere to live because the 102 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:46,799 Speaker 1: place we were meant to be staying had fallen through. 103 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: So we had like ten days or less. I can't 104 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: even remember the timelines to find somewhere to live. And 105 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: then we went on holiday with my family, and then 106 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: in the middle of that holiday, I yet, literally on 107 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: New Year's Day and New Year's Eve, I get this 108 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 1: email from the team being like, hey, we need to 109 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: get the Netflix episodes going, and I was like, I 110 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: have literally just moved country. I don't have a studio, 111 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: I don't have a clue, I don't have anybody really 112 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: to help me. So the first half of the year 113 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: was very stressful. I think if we had known that 114 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: was gonna happen, we probably would have held off. The 115 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 1: other thing that if you've moved to London or thinking 116 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 1: of it, that you'll hear come up a lot is 117 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: do you move in summer or do you move in winter. 118 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: The thing with moving in winter is that you are 119 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: basically guaranteeing that the first three to four months is 120 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: going to be miserable and rotten. But then you get 121 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: the reward of summer, right and when you go into summer, 122 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: by that stage you probably have a few friends, you 123 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: probably have a bit more of a community, you have 124 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: a bit more of a foundation, so you can really 125 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: enjoy the summer. And then the comparative kind of opportunities 126 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: that you move in the summer. It's great because you 127 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: move and it's just the city comes alive, but then 128 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: you kind of are the lull comes during the winter. 129 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: We did the first one. It was pretty miserable. I've 130 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: done an episode before on Seasonal Depression, and when I 131 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: lived in Canberra, I definitely had a bite of that apple, 132 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: like I definitely had experienced it. Well. I thought I 133 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: had no no, no, no, no, no. It was I 134 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: had no words to describe the deep, the deep sadness, 135 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: the deep sadness. I was like, oh my gosh, no 136 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: wonder such sad literature comes from cold climates, like you 137 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: guys have ice and chill in your bones, like sadness, 138 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: and that's what it felt like. And so we really 139 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: struggled with that. And then also my boyfriend Tom was 140 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: just looking for a job and that's like the next 141 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: thing I'll talk about in terms of just like advice 142 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: for people who want to move here. The job market 143 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: just from seeing people navigating it is so tricky, and 144 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: I remember hearing stories like with Australia in the UK, 145 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: there is a long heat. Obviously we're a Commonwealth country, 146 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: so we have this like basically we are quote unquote 147 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: owned by the UK, and what that's kind of meant 148 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: is that through many generations, like Australians will go like 149 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: every every generation kind of goes to the UK, Like 150 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: there is this kind of tidal wave around like the 151 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: ages of twenty three to twenty eight. Well, like you know, 152 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: twenty five percent of Australians will probably move to London 153 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: or will move to the UK. And most people that 154 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: I know have a friend or I know people who 155 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: have done it, and our parents' generation have done it, 156 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: Like it's a very like a cultural thing. And I 157 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: remember talking to my parents and then also you know 158 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: friends parents as well, you know, aunts and uncles and 159 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: everybody then being like, oh my god, moving to the 160 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: UK is an amazing opportunity. You go, you make more money. 161 00:08:55,960 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: It's you just the opportunities are everywhere, and it feels 162 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: like that is a very outdated narrative. And of course 163 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: we did know that, we understand the state of the world, 164 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: but you really can't overstate how different it was from 165 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: like the glory days of like my parents' generation and 166 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 1: their friends generation of like move to London and you 167 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: get this job, and like you make all this money 168 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,719 Speaker 1: because there's all this capital, and it's like no, no, no, no, no, 169 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,719 Speaker 1: the reality is so different. And again I will say, 170 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: like we knew that we were not. We weren't naive 171 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: coming into it, But very few things prepare you for 172 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: how much money you will spend, how quickly you will 173 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: chew through your savings, and how difficult it will be 174 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: to find a job. I think in most industries, and 175 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: I say that because Tom's a lawyer, he struggled in 176 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: that space. But every other friend that I have, people 177 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: who work in design, people who work in even retail, 178 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: people who work in museums, people who work in consulting, 179 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: people who work in like all these different industries, have 180 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: all said like it is a struggle, Like if you 181 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: get a job offer in the first three months, you 182 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: have done exceptionally well. So I was going to go 183 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: into like the best and worst things of our experience 184 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 1: in London so far, I would say that period of 185 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: me and Tom's kind of like journey here was very 186 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: very difficult. Finding it an apartment not so difficult. I 187 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: thought that was going to be really hard. We moved 188 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:23,839 Speaker 1: at a time when they said it's like one of 189 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: the best times to find places. It was in December. 190 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: Definitely didn't feel that way because we were scrambling, but 191 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: we have such a beautiful place. It is my dream 192 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: apartment in a way. That's like it's my dream apartment 193 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: for my twenties. Right there's definitely things like we're on 194 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 1: the top floor, like the fourth floor of this terrace 195 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 1: house and there's no elevator. And right now as I'm 196 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: recording this, it is a massive heat wave and there 197 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: is no air con and all the heat rises and 198 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: I cannot express to you how hot it is here. 199 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: A lot of people have been asking me, you know 200 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: it's a heat wave in London, like surely you're used 201 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: to this. You're Australia and you're like you spent your 202 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: summers in Queensland, and like, no, it's it's no, it's 203 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: so different. It's that the structures and the facilities and 204 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: like the infrastructure, I should say, is not built for 205 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: this heat. And definitely we've been feeling that. But what 206 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: was I talking about? Yes, our apartment is gorgeous. It 207 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: has this like mezzanine. It's like a loft apartment, so 208 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: like the bottom floor is like where our bedroom is 209 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 1: and our kitchens and our loungdroom and our bathroom, and 210 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: then the top floor is like a second bedroom slash 211 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: living room that has a view of the entirety of London, 212 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: And we didn't even realize until we moved in, like 213 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: the whole London skyline you can see from our top 214 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 1: floor window, and it's like one of my favorite things 215 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: is to be like, oh my god, yeah, come over 216 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: and see see our view. So that's a that's a 217 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 1: pro job job hunting con making friends has been relatively easy. 218 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: I know, I said in my episode when I was like, Hey, 219 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 1: I'm moving to London, just do you guys know, I 220 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: was like, I'm most worried about this. This is and 221 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: I'm speaking from personal experience, so if this wasn't your experience, again, 222 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: it don't think that you've done anything wrong. But this 223 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: has been the easiest city for me to make friends in. 224 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 1: And maybe it was the attitude that I came in with, 225 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: which was like, I need to make friends, and I'm 226 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: it's going to be a mission. This is as important 227 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: as finding an apartment, as important as finding a job 228 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: for like for Tom and you know, and for establishing 229 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: our careers here. And we just kind of went ham 230 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 1: and we were just so rewarded with just incredible friendships 231 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: and not just Australians. We also were friends with people 232 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 1: who are born and bred in the UK, which I 233 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: think is like a stereotype of like Ozsi's and Kiwi's 234 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: move over here and then all their friends are just 235 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: or Americans or whoever move over here and they just 236 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: remain in their insular circles. But no, we have this 237 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: amazing community that has been a huge pro a con 238 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 1: going back and forth has been and I think the 239 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: impact on my emotional state though, so this is kind 240 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: of a good segue into why I want to go 241 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: home now. I'm done. I'm ready to leave. I've done it, 242 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 1: which I'm not at that level yet, but London has 243 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: definitely made me angrier. It has made me more irritable. 244 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: It has made me a less forgiving person. And that 245 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: is in every kind of area of my life. You know, 246 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: it's very I come home and navigating the tube system 247 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: and navigating public transport and navigating crowds and all that 248 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: means that I get home and I'm like, I'm cranky. 249 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: Somebody like his steps in front of me, I'm like, 250 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: I'm cranky. Oh my god. Can I say what My 251 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: biggest issue with London is choose the side of the path. 252 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't believe I haven't mentioned this 253 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: at some point in Australia, and obviously sorry, and I 254 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: keep being like in Australia, in Australia, in Australia, but 255 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 1: in Australia and in most countries, it's like you walk 256 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: on the right or on the left. What they don't 257 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: seem to compute that that makes things more efficient, and 258 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: so that has been like a real adjustment. I think that, 259 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: and also the heat recently and just how many people 260 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: are in this city, how difficult it is to navigate 261 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: when you live in central London means that your cognitive 262 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: load is just significant. And I guess my final con 263 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: which is one that's a bit more serious, has been 264 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: in my adjustment to this new country and new system 265 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: is the healthcare system. And I have really struggled to 266 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: navigate it, and I've really struggled to just get answers 267 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: for things. Took a turn there. But you guys know, 268 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: at the start of last year I had this really 269 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: insane health scare where I went in for a retinal 270 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: scan and my optic nerve was swollen and the doctors 271 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: were eventually like, there are three options. There's the really 272 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: really bad option, which is a tumor. There is the 273 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: still bad but medium option, which is MS. Or there's 274 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: this other option which is like you have too much 275 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: fluid in your brain. And it was this real waiting 276 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: game of like, well, I fucking hope it's not the 277 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: first two options, and luckily it wasn't. Thank God. Now 278 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: I have this condition that I need to manage, and 279 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: that means that wherever I live, every three to six months, 280 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: I have to go and see an ophthalmologist and a 281 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: neurologist to make sure that everything is working it as 282 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: it should be right, and that my vision is still okay, 283 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: that other symptoms are being managed, because when you have 284 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: too much fluid in your brain, it's not pleasant you. Firstly, 285 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: you can go blind. Secondly, you get these crazy like 286 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: headaches that I can't even explain. It's like somebody's squeezing 287 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: you like a pimple, and you get this like wushing 288 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: in your ear that's really irritating. So essentially I got 289 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: here and I was like, Okay, Priority number one is 290 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: I need to get a specialist for this condition that 291 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: I have. I am still on the wait list. I'm 292 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: still on a wit list, and I have found that 293 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: understandable because there's a lot of other people who needs 294 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: to be seen and obviously, like it's not like I 295 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: should come in and get top priority, not at all. 296 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: But I just mean I got on the wait list 297 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: in February and it's now June, and that is just 298 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: shocking to me considering the standard of care and like 299 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: the level of care that I am used to, which 300 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: is that you'll see pretty quickly. And maybe it's just 301 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: my experience because when I was first diagnosed, it was 302 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: such a quote unquote emergency because they weren't they didn't 303 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: have any answers. But I really struggled with that and 304 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: then I've had I'm having some other health problems to 305 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: do with my stomach, and I was like crying in 306 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: my GP's office the other day, just being like can 307 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: you help me? Like how I just and just being 308 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: like I don't even know what question to ask you, 309 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: but can you help me? And she's like, well, I've 310 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 1: made the referral and it's just kind of like okay, 311 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: so either you go private and you spend so much money, 312 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: or you just kind of have to sit and wait 313 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 1: and then not to give you guys too many private details. 314 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: But my symptoms were getting worse in a way that's 315 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: like not un serious like, and I qualified. I was 316 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: put into like the two week waitlist process. So basically, 317 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: if your symptoms get worse like and you're under the 318 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: age of forty, they are like, well, we need to 319 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,199 Speaker 1: see you quickly. And I went back in and I 320 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: was like, hey, like, I did this, you know, we 321 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: did this test again, and the test has shown that 322 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 1: things are getting worse. Can you like now I meet 323 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: the thing and she's like, Oka, yeah, I'll put you 324 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: on the wait list. And I haven't heard anything. And 325 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: so there's been a lot of stress and anxiety around 326 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 1: what is going on in my body? How do I 327 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 1: access healthcare here? Is it worth paying the money? And 328 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: just not really knowing how to do it. And this 329 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: isn't to say like the NHS isn't a great system, right, 330 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: this isn't to say that public healthcare isn't a genuine miracle. 331 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 1: It's just that compared to what I'm used to and 332 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: finding the difference really scary because I'm expecting answers or 333 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: I'm expecting a way of communicating that is different to 334 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: like what I'm experiencing like, for example, I got this 335 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: appointment and it was like, okay, this is that your 336 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: appointment is at five am on like the third of July. 337 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:40,479 Speaker 1: And it was weird because I was like, but nobody 338 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: asked me if I'm available then, and I'm not. Nobody 339 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 1: like called me. And I'm so used to being like, Okay, 340 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: well I choose my appointment time, because why give somebody 341 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: an appointment time they can't go to if they're just 342 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,360 Speaker 1: gonna have to cancel? And that just it's not how 343 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: it's done here. So that's been quite stressful, and I 344 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: guess this kind of leads me into why I want 345 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: to go home. You know, we've done eight months in 346 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: the UK, and we said at six months time we 347 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: would decide whether we wanted to do two years. And 348 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 1: the big reason we decided that we've we kind of 349 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 1: had a point where we would decide if we really 350 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: wanted to stay for a while is also because of 351 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 1: our dog. Don't worry, Taylou is still very much okay, 352 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: she's very loved, She is very happy, probably the happiest 353 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 1: dog in the world. She's with my parents and my sisters, 354 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: and honestly, I know she's happy. I miss her a lot, 355 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: and it is a daily conversation of like, oh, I 356 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: can't wait to see her. Should we bring her over? No, yes, 357 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 1: blah blah blah shout, should we do this? Should we 358 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 1: do that? And just trying to decide, and essentially at 359 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: the six month mark, we were like, we're not going 360 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: to stay over two years, so we're not going to 361 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: bring her over. And also the discussion of like do 362 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: we like it here? Do we see a future here? 363 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: And the answer is no. And the answer is no 364 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: because of a combination of things. The first is you 365 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: know what. The first is that it's just not our city, 366 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: and I it's all this post the other day from 367 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 1: this girl who was like every person I can't remember. 368 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 1: It was like everyone feels like spiritually aligned with like 369 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: one of these three cities, Like are you a New 370 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: York girl, You're a Paris girl, you a London girl? 371 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: And there were all these people in the comments being 372 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: like I feel like London spiritually in my body. I 373 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: feel it in my bones, and I just don't feel that. 374 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: And I have friends who feel that, who are like, 375 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: I love this city and I'm really giving it a 376 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: good go. I am I am going out, I am 377 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 1: doing stuff. I've seen so many West End plays. I 378 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: don't want to see another musical. Can I be real? 379 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: I don't really like Musical the End that much. And 380 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: I feel like every Friday night, if I don't have plants, 381 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 1: I have to go and see something on the West End. 382 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: And I'm like, I actually don't like this, and I 383 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: just think it's like what the city has to offer 384 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 1: is not what we enjoy, which is outdoor spaces, beaches 385 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: can a bit more convenience, yet access to nature, better, 386 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: good weather, and just the culture. Like I just think 387 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: it it's not a fit. So, as I said at 388 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,479 Speaker 1: this beginning of this episode, I'm finding myself in this 389 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: period of like okay, cool, time to wrap it up now, 390 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: Like okay, oh my god, I'm already making I'm like 391 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 1: making plans for the future. I'm like saying to Tom 392 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 1: and my friends, like oh yeah, when we go back, 393 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: like we're gonna get this land and we're going to 394 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: do this and I'm gonna fulfill this stream. And I 395 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: have had to kind of pull it back a little bit. 396 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 1: And just as I said, enjoy it, like this is 397 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 1: not gonna last forever. We now know very conclusively we 398 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: are not relocating here permanently. This We're having fun at 399 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 1: this point, we're enjoying ourselves, but this is not our place. 400 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: And so now I'm at this point of like, but 401 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: you can't just be ready to leave at all times, 402 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: like mentally, you still need to be checked into this experience, 403 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 1: because this experience isn't gonna last. And at some point 404 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: I know I'm going to go home to Australia and 405 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: move somewhere else and really miss our time here and 406 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: miss our apartment and miss our friends and miss our routines, 407 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: and miss what London does have to offer, which is 408 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: so much. But yeah, that's kind of the where am 409 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 1: I going with this? That's kind of the conundrum that 410 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: I'm finding myself in, which is like, enjoy this now 411 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: and make the most of this experience rather than idealizing 412 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: the future the same way that you idealize this future. 413 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: And some of the ways we're really trying to like 414 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: make the most of this time is just traveling as 415 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: much as possible and doing a lot of stuff that 416 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: like you can only do when you live on this 417 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: side of the equator. So if you follow me on Instagram, 418 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: I honestly feel like I need to apologize by how 419 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 1: much I post me being like I'm in Italy, I'm 420 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: in Vienna, I'm in I don't know where else I'm going, 421 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 1: I'm in Wales, I'm in the Netherlands. I honestly feel 422 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 1: like it's kind of aggressive at times to be like, oh, yeah, 423 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: they're gonna be traveling all the time, blah blah blah. 424 00:22:58,040 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 1: But that's just a bit of like the tall Poppy 425 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: syndrome and me, I think, but yeah, that's what we've said. 426 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: We're like, Okay, if we're gonna leave by June next year, 427 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: we need to just go ham on the travel plans. 428 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: And that's what we've done. We've been like, we need 429 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: to take advantage of this, we need to take advantage 430 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: of all that London has to offer. And so we've 431 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 1: also kind of been like, I think the mentality I 432 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: got in was like, we're gonna be back and we're 433 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: going to execute this next part of our life plan, 434 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: which is to kind of settle down and to really 435 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: like build a home and fulfill a long standing childhood dream. 436 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 1: And mentally I was being a little bit like financially 437 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 1: cautious because of that because I was like, this is 438 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: a big financial dream I have for the next five 439 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: to ten years, so I really want to save. And 440 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: Tom was like, okay, but also, this is a situation 441 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: you're never gonna get back. We're never gonna be able 442 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: to get this visa again, We're probably never gonna live 443 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: on this side of the equator again. We need to 444 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 1: be Yes, we can be cautious with our money, but 445 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: also we need to be willing to spend it on experiences, 446 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: and we need to be willing to do the things 447 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: that we can only do here. So we're traveling a lot. 448 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,719 Speaker 1: I've also been better at not complaining about London. I 449 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: feel like if you're my friend or like a family member, 450 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 1: sometimes I can be a little bit annoying with it. 451 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 1: Especially with this heat wave. I've been like, I hate 452 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 1: it here. I never want to I don't want why 453 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 1: did we move here. I'm being very cranky and I'm 454 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,959 Speaker 1: trying to I understand. I think better than anyone, not 455 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,959 Speaker 1: better than anyone. I just understand that the thoughts that 456 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: you have prime how you experience reality. And so when 457 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 1: we were in the middle of winter, and especially like 458 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: when it was freezing cold, we just complained so much, 459 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: and then obviously we'd go outside and every expectation we 460 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: had was being met by experiences. Because we were searching 461 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: for those bad experiences. We were searching for reasons not 462 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: to like London. And now I'm like, no, I'm going 463 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: to give London the benefit of the doubt. I wanted 464 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,439 Speaker 1: to exceed my expectations. Everything she wants to offer me, 465 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take with open arms. I'm not going to 466 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,959 Speaker 1: complain about it. I'm just going to enjoy it and 467 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: love this experience. So to kind of wrap up this 468 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: bonus episode, would I recommend moving to London? What are 469 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: my future plans? Kind of looking like, I would recommend 470 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: moving to London as much as we've made the decision, 471 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: And obviously I'm preemptively being like, I'm ready to go 472 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 1: get me out of here. It is an amazing experience. 473 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: It is incredibly expensive. You will not save any money 474 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: while living here. I'm just gonna say that it is 475 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: incredibly inconvenient at times, But is it worth it? Yes, 476 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: the experiences that like we have had and I have had. 477 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: Literally last week I was talking on like I did, 478 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: like a live podcast with my friend Grace on Like 479 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: the second tallest building in London, so one of the 480 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: tallest buildings in the world, and I was like, this 481 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 1: is an experience I'm not gonna have in Sydney. And 482 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: that I was just like, that is amazing. I also, guys, 483 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 1: I live really close to Tom Hiddleson. I actually know 484 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,479 Speaker 1: where he lives. He lives, I'm not gonna say I 485 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: want to say it, but I know where he lives 486 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 1: because he lives near us. He's like our neighbor and 487 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,959 Speaker 1: I see him all the time. I see Paul mescal 488 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: all the time, which I feel like everybody in London 489 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 1: has the local celebrity that they see. And as much 490 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: as like I try not to be like consumed by 491 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: like celebrity culture, it's cool. It's cool to be like hey, 492 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 1: like there's Tom Hitdleson, Like hey, dude, Like there he is, 493 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 1: Like we're friends. But like that's that's a really it's 494 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: like a really cool thing. I love going to like 495 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: Richmond Park. I love going to like the heath I 496 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: actually I haven't been in a while. Maybe I'll go 497 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,679 Speaker 1: this week. I love the galleries, I love the music opportunities. 498 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,400 Speaker 1: I love how many people were interviewing for the podcast 499 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: that like, of course I'm not gonna interview them, They're 500 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: not gonna fly to Australia for it. And there is 501 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 1: this thing about London where it can be a random 502 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: Wednesday and suddenly you're like in Hackney and you're like 503 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: in somebody on somebody's rooftop and like somebody's DJing, and 504 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: there's like and you've just made your new best friend. 505 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: Like there is something about this environment that does just 506 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: breed opportunity and good luck in many, many ways. So 507 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: it's taught me a lot. It's yeah, it really has. 508 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: It's taught me a lot in the way that the 509 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: best lessons do, where they teach you the worst parts 510 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 1: of yourself and the best parts of yourself. And it's 511 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 1: definitely taught me some of the worst parts of myself 512 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:41,880 Speaker 1: and some of the parts of me that I need 513 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: to examine a little bit more. But it's also taught 514 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: me how to just enjoy the moment a little bit more, 515 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 1: how to chill out, and how to say yes to 516 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: more things. If you remember the episode I made when 517 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm moving to London, these are my expectations, 518 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,360 Speaker 1: this is what I want. What I said was it's like, oh, 519 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 1: it's been difficult in the final six months of Sydney 520 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 1: because I haven't been You know, what's the point in 521 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: going out because I know I'm leaving soon. What's the 522 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 1: point in getting a better coworking space because i know 523 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: I'm leaving soon. What's the point in upgrading or updating 524 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: these things? In London? I just say yes to everything 525 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: and that has created a busier life that I was 526 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: really craving. So if you were thinking about it, whether 527 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: or not it is your city, whether or not you 528 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: find that it is the place you have a spiritual 529 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 1: allegiance to or whatnot, it is still worth it for 530 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: the memories that you will make and for what you 531 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: will learn. So what are my plans before we leave? 532 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: So many things. We are doing a summer party in 533 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: early August for the Psychology of Your Twenties in London, 534 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: which is going to be so much fun. We have 535 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: been just securing so many UK and Europe based guests 536 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: to come on the podcast, which I'm so glad for. 537 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: And I am just trying a ship ton a ship 538 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: ton and I'm trying well, I'm going to try and 539 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: do a bunch of different events in different cities so 540 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: like in Copenhagen, I'm gonna do one. We're doing one 541 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: in Germany. I don't know which city yet, We're doing 542 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:20,719 Speaker 1: one in France. We're doing one in the Netherlands. Oh 543 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: do I already say that, No, in the Netherlands, And 544 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: so those are kind of our plans. And then sneaky 545 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: on side, I kind of want to this is my 546 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: company may even mentioned this, I've got to mention this. 547 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: I do have it in my mind that I want 548 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: to move to New York for three months before we 549 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: move back to Australia, because once we move back to Australia, 550 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: And isn't this the irony of like, tell God your 551 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,719 Speaker 1: plans and watch him laugh in your face and I'm 552 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: sure I don't know if this will happen or not, 553 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 1: and watch me come back on in six months and 554 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: be like, hey, guys, no, we're like moving to We're 555 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: moving to Manchester and we're staying here for ten years. 556 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: Like completely changing my mind. But I'm really keen to 557 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: move to New York for three months we move back 558 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: to Australia. I think we're settling, you know what I mean, 559 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,479 Speaker 1: where it's I think will be kind of in that 560 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: by the time we move back, I'll be almost in 561 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: my thirties. What the fuck? Almost in my thirties and wow, 562 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: and anyways, oh my god, realizations and yeah, just ready 563 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: to kind of like pursue a different chapter of life. 564 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: So gonna suck this fruit all the nectar from it 565 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: that I can right now. And that is my London update, 566 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: And that is my grand philosophy. To be in the 567 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: season that you are in. As hard as I am 568 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: finding it, it is a guiding thing for me right 569 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,239 Speaker 1: now that I'm going to keep coming back to as 570 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: my touchstone, being the season I'm in, being the season 571 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: I'm in. Appreciate the moment, Appreciate what you're going to 572 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: miss about it. That is what I keep coming back to. 573 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: And I hope that if you you know what, I 574 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: hope that if you've moved somewhere and been like, I 575 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: actually really don't like it, this makes you realize it's 576 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: a pretty common experience. I hope you also realize from 577 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: this episode it's okay to say I actually change my 578 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: mind and I don't like this anymore, and I don't 579 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: want to do this anymore. But I also hope that 580 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: you've learned to like appreciate the moment for what it is. 581 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: And if you are somebody who like me at times 582 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: can be kind of pessimistic, and when you have high 583 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: expectations for things, I think sometimes it's very easy to 584 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: be disappointed all the time because you expect big things 585 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: from yourself, you expect big things from your experiences, and 586 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: sometimes it is about saying I'm just going to accept 587 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: whatever happens, and I'm going to have no positive, negative, neutral, nothing, 588 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: no feelings towards this except just a state of acceptance 589 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: and just openness. And I feel like, hopefully this episode 590 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: has I don't know, I don't want to say inspired you, 591 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: but I don't even know how to say this, but 592 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: just made you realize that other people struggle with that 593 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,719 Speaker 1: and that we should keep our minds more open. So 594 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: there you go. Thank you for listening to this episode. 595 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: I know I said it was going to be a 596 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: short bonus episode. I have been speaking for half an hour. 597 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: If you have made it this far, what should I 598 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: do in London for my last You know what is 599 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: crazy is I'm like, oh, we're leaving in June. It's 600 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: still a year. I still have a year here less 601 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: We're probably gonna leave in like April. But what should 602 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: I do? I'm not gonna be here forever. I'm got 603 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: less than a year. What are some London bucket list items? 604 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: If you don't live in London, what are some things 605 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: that you want if you travel to London you would 606 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: want to do that you have done that have been 607 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: on your bucket list? I want to do those. Send 608 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: them my way. Leave a comment down below. I appreciate it. 609 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: If you've listened this far again, you can follow us 610 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: on Instagram. You can watch full episodes on Netflix. If 611 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: you didn't already know that, please go and watch one. 612 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: It really helps us, like significantly, if I'm being honest, 613 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: follow us on substack. Email me. I don't know you 614 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: can if you want, Yeah, email me. I guess, but yeah, 615 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: it's just always I was gonna say, it's just great 616 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: to talk to you. It's like I'm getting off a 617 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: long phone call with my friends. Well you guys have 618 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: said nothing, but no, it is. It's nice to do 619 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: episodes like this, So thank you for listening. Until next time, 620 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: be safe, be kind, be gentle to yourself. We will 621 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: talk very very soon.